Gulf Of Tonkin NSA Declassified

[GUALLACOL]

That is why we have to be vigilant!  Because our U.S. government is already corrupted! The mechanism for corrupcion has been in motion for a long time. It is like cancer. It comes and it goes and it comes back to kill you.

[whiskeyify]

first I've heard of this...hard to believe the Israel jets could not id one of our ships....and I'm sure if they thought it to be a US ship they could have contacted them by radio. The ship would have been monitoring international and military air distress channels so the planes could have tried to contact them.

[midsizedwhiteboy]

Scary. I was stunned when Documents/info we're released over the allowed capture of the USS Peublo in January 1968.Seems that ship was allowed to be captured without trying to man the ship with volunteers or at least telling the C0,XO,etc. that they we're planned to be attacked/captured in an intelligence gathering attempt which is why so many extra tech manuals we're onboard according to CO & Crew.We we're able to break The enemys' code once they transmitted info over the air to both N Vietnam

[Danbo342]

Heads up kiddies. Less than half of this is about the Tonkin incident just in case anyone here is doing a paper on it or something.

On another note, I love how people blame the US for so much. Of course I'm not blind to what they do, but also know what other governments do. If anything, ours should be on worlds dumbest criminals. Any other country that denies the BS that they do never comes clean about it and destroys all the evidence. Only we keep the paper work that can hang us, real smart.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

The North Vietnamese attracted the USS Maddox in international waters.

You have no proof that the USA was engaged in missions against the North before Tonkin. Indeed, you have been caught lying about swift boats/PT boats, etc. Typical conspiracy crackpot, if you don't know it, you just make it up on the spot.

[centurion180ad]

jesseVentura-not-a-Seal, says it all. This guy is a political HACK, and is likely CoIntelPro.

DESOTO & OPLAN34A is a matter of public record.

If you pay an assassin to slay your marriage partner, you are just as guilty as the paid felon that pulls the trigger. Likewise paying, training, equipping, commanding & supporting the RSVN PTF attacks against PRVN territory from inside PRVN territorial waters is EXACTLY the same as doing it yourself.

[kimpunkrock]

what alex jones movie is this from? google link is broken.

[centurion180ad]

USS Maddox was conducting DESOTO patrols IN SUPPORT of OPLAN34ALPHA. This is a matter of American public record.

OPLAN34A was direct attacks upon PRVN landmass, by RSVN navy elements paid, selected, trained, equipped, commanded & supported by American SOG (read: CIA) out of MACV. That too is a matter of public record.

Communism is an enemy. Fascist mass murder bigots, are worse.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad No, it is not a matter of public record, that's a lie. Regardless, even by your own admission here the USA had not attacked the North Vietnamese. ...And, by your own admission the USS Maddox WAS attacked. Game over. The Gulf of Tonkin incident happened.

[centurion180ad]

jesseVenturanotaSeal is COINTELPRO.

[centurion180ad]

USS MADDOX was in support of OPLAN34A, covert attacks against PRVN territory. USS MADDOX was conducting a WAR ACTION on 02 AUGUST, and the people's navy responded in kind. Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a provocation, and a staged event. The attack of 04 august never happened at all.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad USS Maddox was in international waters and conducting electronic surveillance. There are NO reputable sources that claim otherwise. Even the North Vietnamese admit that she was in international waters. It was not a "staged" event, your beloved communists simply got turned into fish-food because they attacked the wrong Navy.

Now parrot your bullshit...

[centurion180ad]

The Vietnamese people were provoked into defending themselves, and when they dared to stand up against the CIA trained & paid killers, they were denounced and a real slaughter began.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad USS Maddox was in international waters conducting electronic surveillance. The Vietnamese attacked. Those are the facts. To say the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened is a lie.

[centurion180ad]

JesseVenturanotaSeal is a COINTELPRO liar. PAVN losses were 1 million. ARVN losses were 266-thousand. VC losses were 250-thousand. Almost 2 years after the end of the Vietnam Conflict the first census was taken. The now unified government of Vietnam was able to accounf for 1-million civillian deaths. Countless more died, due to triple bombing tonnage of WW2, and mass poison spraying. CIA operations began in late 1950s, and PT boats began killing PRVN people in 1961.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad You are just a moron. "COINTELPRO". Because refuting the stupidity of idiots is soooo important. Honestly, do you think that people are going to take your word on this when they can look up the truth in about 3 seconds? Let me tell you what is going to happen. You are going to post your bullshit and then someone else is going to come along and post something else, in a few days your bullshit ill be gone forever. Truth is we didn't drop enough on Vietnam.

[centurion180ad]

02 MARCH 1964

LBJ: “What I want is somebody that can lay up some plans to trap these guys and ah, whoop the Hell out of ‘em, kill some of ‘em that’s what I want to do.”

MacNamara: “I’ll try and bring something back that will meet that objective.”

/watch?v=mR1ooWmxQQM&feature=f­eedf

Bear in mind that Operations Plan 34A was conveniently in full swing.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad Yes, Vietnam trooferism... Idiots who believe what they want to believe. The USS Maddox was in international waters when attacked. Something else that the Vietnamese don't even dispute.

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI Maddox was attacked because she was IN SUPPORT of OP34A.

Look up Operations Plan 34A. Hostilities were initiated by American MACV-SOG forces, by invading PRVN territorial waters, bombarding shore facilites, destroying PAVN positions, and landing spys & soboteurs on their beaches.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad I have looked up 34a, electronic surveillance in international waters is absolutely legitimate, and that was all that was happening in the period before the Vietnamese attack. Your "sog" forces fantasy is just another nonsense turd you have crapped out on the web.

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI Read some history, Buster. Many memoirs of Studies and Observation Group are out there. Nautilus teams were trained by CIA, and inserted into PRVN overland, and by sea. Nasty boat RSVN PCFs were trained by Special Forces under CIA aegis. RSVN PCFs were bombarding PAVN positions from inside PRVN territorial waters, and DESOTO patrols were in support of these raids.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad Look, Idiot, you are provably wrong. Regardless, what was asserted is that the north Vietnamese attacked the USS Maddox, you have admitted that was true. You have not a shred of credible proof to prove otherwise. PCF boats didn't EXIST until August 1965, let alone show up in Vietnam you are PROVABLY wrong. You are clearly just tossing out shit to see what sticks.

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI I screwed up the designation letters. The first boats were brought in /before/ SOG, and those were World War 2 type PT boats, plus infiltration junks. When SOG opened up in JAN 64 the Nasty Boats were brought in as replacements, and all boats were redesignated PTF.

Maddox was fired on 2 AUG 64, in response to massive provocation by OPLAN34A raids.

America and her RSVN puppet, started the shootout.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad You screwed up? No, you you caught spewing bullshit. WW2 PT boats would have been useless for incursions because they were ocean going and had a deep draft, that's why the PBR and Swift boats were created in the first place. There were no US raids before Tonkin.

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI It is a matter of public record that America trained, equipped and paid for RSVN covert operations into PRVN territory from 1961-1964 before the Tonkin Gulf incident. Those include PT boats built during the 1950s, to World War 2 specifications. LLDN would go over the side to raft in from PT boats, to demolish shore facilites.

Choose not to beleive, fine by me. History won't change to suit your delusion.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad History shows that you are lying. You have lied here about the casualty figures, you have lied about the swift boats and you have lied about "sog" operations. There were no incursions and you have ADMITTED that the Vietnamese attacked USS Maddox. (which is what the debate was about in the first place, idiot) PT boats built in the 1950s? Complete bullshit. You just make it up as you go along... you don't seem to get sick of that, do you?

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

This video is absolute horseshit. USS Maddox was attacked by Vietnamese patrol boats on the night of August 2 1964, Look it up for yourselves. Don't take the word of this proven liar.

[iamgangelo]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI ...... WTF ???

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@iamgangelo On the night of 2 August 1964, USS Maddox was attacked, was hit by and returned fire on 3 North Vietnamese patrol boats. To say that the gulf of tonkin incident never happened is an outright lie.

[iamgangelo]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI ....... Were you there ? Is there ANY tangible PROOF that it was Vietnamese patrol boats ?Is the NSA report bunk ? Is Robert MacNamara lying about his participation ? If there are some FACTS to support your version of events I would like to see them ...... WOW me .......

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@iamgangelo Go to any reputable site on the web, Christ, even Wiki will tell you, the NSA report didn't say what this video claims it did,

"In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2."

What the moonbat conspiracy mongers are doing is trying to conflate confusion about the 2nd night (4 august 1964) to claim that the whole thing never happened.

They are lying to you.

[iamgangelo]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI .....I did not say anything about it not happening ........ I've read the redacted reports ....... Something smells like bullshit ....... I'm not saying the event never happened , I'm saying that "official" reports appear really shady ........ Who do you believe? ..... Deception is what Governments do ........

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@iamgangelo Well this video is sating it never happened, which is an outright lie.

This is what these conspiracy mongers do, they give you selected buts of information and the end result is a lie.. The plain fact is that the government is so incompetent that it could never be guilty of all the plots and conspiracy attributed to it.

[iamgangelo]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI ........ Selected bits of information is all anyone gets ...... Television , radio , magazines , newspapers ........ YOU have to find facts , Yes government is incompetent but ...... that does NOT mean that they do not engage in conspiratorial crimes .......

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@iamgangelo Conspiracy has become an industry. It enables people to blame whomever they didn't like in the first place, or make themselves feel like heroes for spreading the word to punish the imaginary villains. It is rooted in paranoia and wishful thinking.

Bottom line, it isn't reality.

[iamgangelo]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI ...... So what branch of the "Government" do you work for commrade ? ....... Reality is that the "state" is a fictional entity that engages in "illegal" warfare on ALL inhabitants of the world & IS the PROBLEM & then can tout themselves as the only solution ...... Only the same shit just keeps on going on..... For some reason we can't figure out how to feed & water everybody , but somehow we can get everybody a handheld computer ....... Or a rocket launcher ....

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@iamgangelo I don't work for the government. The rest of your post didn't make any sense.

[iamgangelo]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI ...... It makes no sense to someone with NO sense ......

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@iamgangelo You need to be on paranoia medication, It will help chase away all the government baddies that hide in your closet.

[iamgangelo]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI ..... Look ..... It all boils down to what you believe ...... If you believe there is a grand old man living in the clouds judging your every move , that's your belief ...... If you believe that government is good , that's your belief ...... I believe that everything that I have been taught from childhood on from public school , media , gov't , is a total lie ....... Believe what you wish , Because you are obviously delusional ......

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@iamgangelo No, it boils down to reality. It boils down to what you can prove. I haven't said the government was always good or always bad. If you categorically believe that -everything- that has been taught to you is a lie you have some serious mental problems and you should look into paranoid personality disorder. And calling anyone else "delusional" after you basically admitted that you have checked out of reality is psychological projection. You are probably too paranoid to get help.

[iamgangelo]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI ......So we get back to that factual evidence that you haven't proven ..... & The paranoid theme you keep espousing is just dismissive bullshit to cover your lack of intelligence .......

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@iamgangelo There are photos of North Vietnamese patrol boats attacking USS Maddox on 2, August 1964. There are photos of bullet holes in Maddox. There are North Vietnamese bullet fragments recovered from USS Maddox on display at the Naval Historical Center. There are contemporary accounts of the North Vietnamese complaining that 3 of their torpedo boats were damaged and 4 of their sailors were killed..on and on..

None of which you are going to believe, no doubt. Because you don't want to.

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI Perhaps you will be kind enough to tell us all about Operations Plan 34A. Perhaps you will be kind enough to tell us about the Tonkin nonincident of 04 August, which was the fabrication responsible for 4-6 million Vietnamese deaths. Perhaps you will be kind enogh to tell us all about the LBJ & MacNamara conversation of 02 March 1964 where they premeditate a provocation.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad Perhaps you could get your history somewhere more reliable then youtube and wikipedia. The Gulf of tonkin incident happened, full stop, the Maddox was attacked by north Vietnamese on the night of 2 august. There are photos, bullet holes, contemporary complaints from the north Vietnamese, sunken Vietnamese patrol boats, dead Vietnamese sailors, shell fragments, on and on and on...

4-6 million Vietnamese deaths? Lol, bullshit.

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI DESOTO patrols were in //support// of OP34A, which was bombarding PRVN territory within territorial waters. The PAVN correctly correlated the Maddox patrol to the PCF raids shooting up their shore facilities in the preceeding days.

1.2 million vietnamese deaths eluded to by the current vietnamese government are CONFIRMED fatalities. Tripple WW-2 bomb tonnage killed upto twice that, more. God knows how many died from poison spraying.

It is 4-6 million, if it is 1.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad Which "PCF raids shooting up their shore facilities in the preceding days?" Specifically. Land incursions came after the Tonkin incident, And were RVN, not US. however YOU HAVE JUST ADMITTED THAT THE NORTH VIETNAMESE DID ATTACK USS MADDOX.

the 4 to 6 million deaths figure was plucked right out of your ass. Complete hogwash. (as is the 1.2 million figure actually) How many were killed after the USA left? How many died in Cambodia? How many in the war with China?

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI RVNN Nasty Boat PCFs, bought, paid for and trained by Special Forces, under American CIA command & control were ATTACKING PRVN territory, destroying its infrastructure and KILLING PAVN troops.

Nautilus Teams were CIA unlawful combatants of many nationalities inserted as spies, assassins & saboteurs into PRVN territory. All of this was done long before 4 August 1964.

What do you know about Bomb Damage Assessment? 4-6 million, is a square figure given the tonnage.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad PCF boats didn't exist until a year AFTER the gulf of Tonkin incident and were not deployed to Vietnam until 1966. Busted, you are wrong.

I know plenty about bomb damage assessment, actually. Enough to know that you are full of shit.

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI Spare me your toMAYtoes tomAHtoes, circlejerk. CIA began running is provocation raids in 1961. MACV came online FEB 1962 and raids pickup to include World War 2 era PT boats. Those were not up to the scratch, so they often relied on junks. Those started being picked off. SOG came on line JAN 64, the Nasty Boats were brought in, and the designation was changed from PT to PTF.

The is no way to drop tripple WW-2 tonnage and mass chem/bio spraying, without mass deaths.

[centurion180ad]

@jesseVenturanotaSeaI ARVN fatalities 266-thousand. PAVN fatalities > 1-million. VC fatalities > 250 thousand. The now consolidated Vietnamese government is only able to demonstrate 2 million noncombatant fatalities all-in-all. The actual total given triple world war 2 bombing tonnage, and massive aerial spraying, MUST be higher. 4-6 million is /probably/ correct, but it is may be much higher.

[jesseVenturanotaSeaI]

@centurion180ad If you are going to pull figures out of thin air why not go for a zillion? A googleplex of dead Vietnamese...

[bluesmann8]

America, america, God shed his grace on thee.

[geoshelewis]

cool video keep up the good work.

[lafleurplumeria]

Ron Paul and others are saying: Wake Up America!!! Contemplate December 7th's "sneak attack". Our gov knew before hand. The Gulf of Tonkin never happened!!! Now we're openly being robbed. Who is really in control? Could it be our friendly banking and insurance industry?It's certainly not our president. I am a Vietnam Vet who is now ashamed of my country throwing away the lives of our people and murdering people of other countries for the sake of democracy.

[DogMeatJesus]

i wana hear the guy talking say lets take a bite out of crime.

[MultiMeli123]

What total B*** S***!! Our government is just as corrupt as other nations & those other nations are probably just as sick of this crap as we are NO WONDER other countries hate America!

[datzfast]

@MultiMeli123 unless your kissing ass they are going to hate you. idont want their god damn love i want thier fear you know the kind they gave the old soviet union

[BrickUnit]

i smell 9/11 lies

[polygamous1]

So many evidence about false flag opperations by the us gov YET us citizens believe the BS lies their gov tells them WHY?

[patriot22100]

We have a tendancy to Drink the Kool Ade the Govt and Media feeds us. I as most Americans can not believe our Govt could be behind such an act. But the Checks and Balences taught in School are total BULL!

[MultiMeli123]

I'm an American & I don't believe all their crap. Just like 9/11 was a set up job so was this!

[MassacreBlast]

@polygamous1 - Because they're uneducated. I'm just learning about all this stuff now and I'm 28. Albeit I'm in Canada, but still, I consider myself to be above average intelligence. People need to know, we need to keep putting the truth out there and sink these scumholes that have been lying to everyone for decades.

[truthsabre7]

Macnarmara was a auto executive before he got the job as defense sect. I can see how that would qualify him for that position.

[NWOScumBags]

truthsabre7--hey thanks ,i just set this site up to fuck with the gov ahaha lol ,ya i have dozens of sites that i do this with ,got to hold their feet to the fire right ,best wishes to you and your loved oned