12 baje ka matlab jante ho ! baran tab bajte the jab vaishnav ladkion ko musalman rulers utha le jate the aur un ki mayen kahti thi ki beta 12 baj gaye sikhon ke aane ka time ho gaye...woo hame bacha lenge....Know the history behind 12 baje...... waheguru ji ka khalsa ....waheguru ji ki fateh....
@jajss Understanding of Krishna is no understanding at all. With the intellectual mind absorbed in mantra or any recitation you create some space for awareness of Krishna (cosmic consciousness).
@xGuttix memorising the Bhagavad Gita is not enough, anyone can do it, it is understanding the instruction that is vital. Granted the fact that she can remember the Sankrit is amazing and in a whole it purifies her, but knowing the instruction is the essence
Moksha, Enlightenment is earned, not given or begged for, unlike Heaven. That's the essential differnece between the two. Getting to heaven is not that difficult, all a pedophile or a terrorist needs to do is to beg like a dog. He gets to enjoy heaven while his living victims live thru hell. Moksha is earned thru knowledge, and knowledge has to be earned, not given. A Teacher who gives pass marks to a failed student is not doing him a favor. Reach for the Higher goal, reach for Moksha.
@ramaraksha01 The knowledge is only passed on by the Guru. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
Jaya. In this Kali Yuga ALL People are Born Sudra or lower class untouchables. You need work from Sudra stage and up to become Qualified. Reading the Gita is a perfect way to go back to God Head. Check out my channel for some Nice video. All Glories to Sri Krsna!
When I lived in India, I savoured this precious time savouring the Sacred Scriptures and try to teach my sons the same- a big challenge for now but who knows,they might love India in the future and learn from those wonderful children.
just exactly as western children learn complete music albums of steril and pointless music, this child utilize her intelligence for learn and recitate a supreme chapter of the Sacred Scriptures describing the Glories of the lord, it´s for sure that she can understand everything she is recitating.....
It goes without saying that this little girl is a pure devotee of the Lord, intelligence is not enough to recitate and understand chapter 15 of Bhagavad Gita, is necessary a deep feeling of love and devotion for lord krsna, western people can´t understand such a degree of saranagati, nitay Goura Premanande Haribol...!
Does she know what all this means? lol....I think people of India should uplift the Dalits population and not this Bhraminism stuff. All people made stuff,
@humrahiusa Agreed but do you know the truth? Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
I think parents should stress more on explaining the meaning of Gita than making their kids memorize the shloks. I memorized the shloks when I was a kid, the whole 12th, 15th, and 6th chapter. But I didn't know the meaning of all of them. Memorization of sanskrit shloks is good, it improves ur memory but more important is to understand and follow the meaning of Gita.
I also have many slokas in my head from BG they are very good I am constantly going through them throughout the day or when Im waking up and going to sleep or in the shower the more you think about them the more you become aware of there deep meanings,every sloka is coming from the lips of God this the reality they are pure and nondifferent from Krsna ,engage your mind in always thinking of krsna that is the purpot and this is the process all glories to bhagavad gita shes performing the meaning
@swapte here is a great way to help others do so, Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
Krishna says: A man is not judged based on which cast he is from but the actions he takes. A Bhramin that has the knowledge of wrong and write does something that is against Dharma is considered to be one of lowly selfs.
There is one caste; the cast of action but many people yet need to understand.
A dog's nature is to fight and growl and enjoy and eat meat
A human's nature is to be detached from the senses
and peaceful and devote to God and eat fruits.
A human is higher that a dog
yet if a human is acting like a dog
and a dog is acting like a dog
then God is pleased with the Dog
and the human is an abominations in his eyes.
Most the world are Outcasts. 5th class of men - animals. Meat eaters. But for the 4 casts / higher human natures, God watching if you live up to that cast.
@TakeTheRezaOutOfRasa Sorry, its based on your karma (karma = Aaradhna) you fall into different castes. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
@GETOUTGOS God Bless you! Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
@mildpace There is actually no caste system NOR any religion NOR Hinduism. The whole universe is bounded by the sanatana dharma. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
Dear Vaishnava brothers and sisters. Don't worry about the critics. Bhagavan will rip them to bloody shreds like he did to Hiranyakashipu. Responding to them is tantamount to associating with them. Fie upon all those who criticize Vaishnavas. You are bringing catastrophe to the fate of your eternal soul. I am not a Sri Gaudiya Vaishnava or an ISKCON devotee buy I know enough to know that Vaishnava bashers will suffer the same fate as Ravana. Don't waste your precious Vaishnava breath on them.
Shabash to this great Vaishnava girl. With or without her knowledge she is purifying her surroundings. First of all you can always learn Bhashya, and Acharya Vyahkyanams later. According to Vedic tradition the child should memorize at an early age because the childs brain is like a spunge. Thats why children learn languages quite quickly without an accent whereas adults attempting to learn a language get an accent. The people criticizing have absorbed the western Rakshasa atheist mentality.
Haridham, what you are saying is that Lack of "something" is presence of "the same thing ". Lack of belief is the absence of belief. When those who've never known lack of belief face it, they don't know what to do with it, how to treat it. Therefore they call it "a type of belief". That's not true. Lack if belief can be emptiness, openness, void. It could be infinitely deeper than belief.
Its not so that the child is forced to memorize all this. People with superb memory sometimes read anything and just memorize..although I agree that she may not understand it. But I see there are some idiots here who are calling it all nonsense without knowing this. Firstly they shd get into thick of it and then comment.
True, people will call anything nonsense, but that's the nature of the world, stupidity is eternal. By "inhuman" I mean you're getting the child into a habit mug up and not understand, which is not good for her future. Besides, the fact is Bhagwadgita being beautiful verse is actually quite easy to remember - same for vedas, just good verse, maybe that's the magic of Sanskrit
These verses may help the girl in the real world by giving her solace when she is facing adversity, perhaps these verses mean something to her. There are verses that i have memorized from the gita and other vedic sastras that give me closure and understanding when I am down.
"These verses may help the girl in the real world by giving her solace when she is facing adversity..."
Yes, you've brought up a valid point. It is possible that these verses may give her some solace, just like a pacifier does to a distressed baby. But then there are people who are comforted by reading verses from the Bible or the Qur'an. So you see there's nothing unique about the ISKCON brand of pacifier.
Weather its the quran or bible it doesnt matter. You have an issue with iskcon, which is fine, thats your choice. However what someone chooses is upto them.
@haridham Well, as long as the truth is being preached I have no issues. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
I'd much rather see her grow up into an adult that understands the ambiguity and harsh realities of that's a feature of this real world we live in and is able to deal with it on her own without having to resort to chanting inane verses in a dead language.
"You would rather a lot of things but it is ultimatly up to the individual. "
We're not talking about an adult here, but a child. Is it a narrow minded opinion that children shouldn't be allowed to drive until they reach a certain age? According to your logic, we should let them, since it is up to the individual...
Yes, I understand she is a child(externely) but again u dont know her mind. It is narrow minded 2 think driving a car is equal 2 reciting a few slokas. Even adults drive cars doesnt mean that they adhere and drive safely. I mean that is upto the individual as well. Social convention of driving weather its a young child or not still doesnt determine if they are responsible. Responsibility has nothing to do with how old you are, we should not base our limitations on others.
I agree that there are certain adults who cannot drive as well as most people. Even so, there is a general standard that adults drive better than children. This is why we have a minimum age restriction, before a person could apply for a licence. Licences aren't issued to children below a certain age. Following your logic, every child should have the opportunity to be tested without any restrictions.
It may be the standard but its not fullproof, even you would agree to that right? My logic is based on the actual understanding behind the act(reciting verses) and not social standards of driving. Reciting verses and driving are 2 different things.
My intent in using the analogy of driving was meant to address your point that you should let the individual choose. I was making a point that generally children are restricted in their choices because their physical and mental development have not reached a stage where we trust them to make a responsible choice.
I understand your intent, however the analogy doesnt fit in this perticular case in my opinion. She can still choose. As she gets older she will probably go to school, get an education, a career, marriage etc, learning these verses wont stop her from doing any of those things.
Childhood indoctrination is very hard to get rid of, my friend... I've seen many adults who are so scared of questioning whatever has been taught to them at an impressionable age. They grow up to be extremely gullible believers who would be taken advantage of by unscrupulous cult leaders. Not every person saying "Hari Bol" or "Hare Krsna" could be trusted to have the best intentions for you...
Yes, you are correct, they are hard to get rid of. I know of many people that way as well, but now we have to talk about proper guidence and how to apply the "indoctrination" logicaly and practically. You are correct, not everyone saying anything could have the best intentions. i am aware of that. However that doesnt discredit the entire culture or siddhanta. Not everyone who goes to school graduates. Cant always blame the schools when there are others graduating.
"how to apply the "indoctrination" logicaly and practically"
How about not indoctrinating our children at all? Let her be a child for now and not pretend to be an adult, just so that some of us adults can look at her and go, "Oh! how cute!". What's wrong about letting her reach a certain age where she can actually understand and be able to critically analyse different philosophies and then make an informed choice as to which one she'll follow?
ahhh but there lies some very harsh and uncertain realities for the child or anyone for that matter. Where will v stop? Who is 2 say that doctorine that we are indoctarated in high school should be followed? Why is that ok and what the parents teach u not good. Teaching a child lets say to be an athiest is exactly no different then what those who are thiest do. Thiesm or athiesm are both beliefs. So we are walking a thin line when we suggest not to indoctorate the child with anything.
I've never heard of any school where they tell you to be an atheist. I certainly wasn't taught atheism at the schools that I attended. I would be against children being taught to be anything. I would rather that we equip them with the reasoning tools to be able to critically analyse whatever's being presented to them. Teach them *how* to think, not *what* to think. That's the difference...
You misunderstood me. Sorry, let me clarify. I didnt state that schools teach you to be an athiest, i was saying that schools also teach us a perticular doctorine. The athiest comment was based on a perticular type of belief a child is taught. Weather its theism or athiesm it makes no difference. Even when we dont hold a perticular belief that in itself is a belief that we are doctronizing to the child. So now matter what, the child will be inundated with thoughts of how to think etc.
"That is inherently self-contradictory. Lack of a belief is not a belief"
I disagree, a lack of belief is basically a belief that something doesnt exist. I may not believe in china because i have never been there but thats my uneducated belief. If you tell your child to believe whatever they want to believe, that is also your belief.
I also disagree with your comment that atheism and theism are both beliefs. Theism is a belief that a god/gods exist. Atheism is the *lack* of that belief, nothing more.
You may disagree however my point is that beliefs are beliefs. A lack of belief is still a belief. After all even atheism requires a type of faith that a God/Gods dont exist.
That is contradictory! Atheism does not require faith. If you *lack* faith that a god or gods exist, then you are an atheist. There's a subtle difference there...
"I know many people who dont like the idea of God."
If you're talking about people who are angry at some god/gods, then they're not atheists because to be angry at something would mean having to believe in its existence. I would call such people angry theists, not atheists.
Atheists simply don't have a valid reason to believe, hence they don't believe.
No, I wasnt talking about someone being angry at God. They dont like the idea that they would have to actually pray to/surrender/worship a God. Now that is their belief, that surrendering/worshiping/etc is beneath them.
An athiest cannot believe in god because he doesnt have the sufficiant data to understand God. He should approach someone who knows how to understand God through realizations and proper education and not mere blind belief.
According to me, and I would think that most people would agree with me on this, the only valid reason to believe that something exists, is because you have sufficient evidence that points conclusively towards it's existence. Everything else, including your motives are immaterial.
As far as me personally, I don't think there's enough evidence that points towards there being a god/gods. Theists cannot even agree on a common definition for the term 'god'.
Yes, thats vox populi. Now the understanding of God and wanting sufficiant evidence well we must try to get sufficiant evidence from a proper source or we will end up with Psuedo evidence and base our conclusion on those facts. I understand that for you there is no evidence however I think you should check the evidence that which you are measuring by.
Thats a great question. The proper source has to be based on something called Guru, Sadhu and Sastra through a parampara(lineage) via a bonafide sampradaya(school or education facility) which(theologicaly speaking) directly comes down the line of presenters(gurus, acaryas, self realized souls) who have experiance and realized this knowledge which has been preserved as it is without contamination. They impart the same knowledge 2 you, which you can if applied properly give the proper result.
A guru is a fallible human just like you, no matter his parampara or sampradaya. He was taught by his guru, who is another fallible human who was taught by his guru, etc etc. They could be and very often have been wrong. If they impart a falsehood to you during the course of your learning, how will you learn to recognise it as such?
First you have to understand what a REAL guru is. The guru parampara(theologically speaking) comes from God himself. Now if you give God a chance to exist then obviously he is not merely another human being. Now the teaching of a self realized guru who is not an ordinary man is something that helps you become self realized. The guru gets his teaching from God. Now in order to see if we succeed or not is based on how we are evolving spiritualy. Are we realizing we are the soul not the body etc?
A guru can claim to be the REAL deal. A guru can claim to have received his teaching directly from God. God if we go by the common definition does not need man's permission to exist. If a guru tells me that I'm a soul and a body, am I supposed to take him on his word alone? I guess the thrust of my question is whether I can as a student independently verify whether what my guru says is the truth or not.
A guru can claim to be the REAL dea. A guru can claim to have received his teaching directly from God. God if we go by the common definition does not need man's permission to exist. If a guru tells me that I'm a soul and a body, am I supposed to take him on his word alone? I guess the thrust of my question is whether I can, as a student independently verify whether what my guru says is the truth or not.
No, not talking about claiming here. A real guru shows the symptoms mentioned in the sastras. Again the term guru is not by itself, there is sadhu and sastra, they all have to coincide. If a guru states something outside of sastra then it should be rejected. Ultimatly if what the guru has taught u is correct then you can independently verify what is the truth. There has to be a measuring stick to validate your experiance.
Aren't the shastras written accounts of a guru's teachings? Again written by fallible humans... How do you verify that the shastras are indeed correct?
In ur opinion fallible humans. Thats Y proper ed is needed. Theologically speaking the sastras r apurushaya(non human) & they were composed by Vyasadev who is the compilor of the vedas and an incarnation of God. 2 varify anything we must try the process. e.g If it states in a chemistry book that x and y mixed together will form z, so if we try what the book states correctly as it is presented without our own concoction then the result will be z. Someone originaly tried the experiment right?(God)
Indeed. I've never have this god or any god speak directly to me. I've heard plenty of fallible humans talking about their favourite version of god/gods.
"Theologically speaking the sastras r apurushaya(non human) & they were composed by Vyasadev who is the compilor of the vedas and an incarnation of God"
These are simply claims that are being made by fallible humans without evidence offered in support.
Try the process and see. You have heard from those who havent had the proper process of realizing God. The chemistry book states that x plus y equals z and you should do it. I doubt you would question that or atleast do the experiment, so why not do this experiment. The proof is in the pudding and the tree of its fruits(sorry, mind falling asleep)
No science book has ever asked me to take anything simply on faith. I had excellent science teachers all through school, who encouraged me to ask really probing questions. In science, scepticism is a virtue. Pointing to the guru's lineage or tradition as evidence of his infallibility is a fallacy (one of appeal to authority). One should never believe something simply because someone in an apparent position of authority said so.
Spirituality is a science and if applied properly will give the proper result. Just as in a science book. Just like ur teachers I 2 have had great teachers. Thinking of a lineage or tradition being a fallacy is a fallacy in itself from our own mind as u havent objectively tried the process, instead refer to subjective conclusion that you have already made. You as an authority are telling me of a fallacy without trying to experiment, therefore i should not believe that. Just try the process.
Im glad u read the gita, however who's translation? Is it bonafide? Reading the gita once(i presume) is not enough, 1 must try 2 understand it via a bonafide guru as mentioned in the gita. U have 2 associate with like minded individuals who r also trying the process. I suggest(despite you thinking iskcon is a cult) that u go 2 your local iskcon temple abserve 4 a month, actually go see what happens there. Ask questions, associate with those who have been trying the process. Then judge.
Iskcon is part of the brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya. Iskcon presents vedic culture as it is coming down from Lord Krsna. The revelations will be revealed to you regarding the fact that you are not this body but an eternel spirit soul who is the servent of God and how you will be able to REestablish your relationship with Krsna.
One should not dismiss something just because its based on authority. I mean i doubt u did that with your teachers right?
What makes u think that a character called Krsna never existed? What process have you tried to varify his existence?
Well if you want proof of krsna then first why not prove that your great great great great great grandfather existed. I mean i shoudnt take it on blind faith right? Also there is archeological evidence, if u want i can send u
Now, there is no need to god to have a servent, however it is our inherint nature for us to serve him. Just as the inherint nature of water is to be wet, our natural position is that we serve, that is what is most blissful for us.
@kkkraves Please listen to Yatharth Geeta, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
@kkkraves you are right, the manas states - Jane bin na hoye priti, priti bin na hoye partiti. That means until you see the truth you will never believe in anything. At this point I would suggest that you keep waiting. 'God' Bless You!
Hence you see the different denominations and disagreements and infighting among the various religions today. If theists themselves aren't agreed on what a 'god' is and what it's alleged properties are, then how can they say that an atheist does not have sufficient knowledge to understand this 'god'?
"Hence you see the different denominations and disagreements and infighting among the various religions today"
Thats human nature and not a reflection on thiesm itself. Personal self grandizement instead of the proper understanding of God without proper knowledge causes factions etc.
It's human nature to have disagreements, but certainly we are capable of reaching a consensus given enough discussion. Theistic belief has been around almost as long as modern humans have been around and yet there seems to be no sign of a consensus. Instead, we see new religions popping up all the time and existing religions getting fractured into different sects. If the existence of a god is plainly discernible to everyone, then why don't we have agreement?
Yes, but enough discussion is not enough, proper education is needed. This is a world of duality, theologicaly speaking this world is not meant as paradise but rather a prison house. Its temperary and a place of misery. So the understanding of god for each person based on their relationship with God. So God gives those facility who want to accept him in a certain manner however many misuse that free will and instead self impose their own ideas on others.
"What is proper education and how will you know that what you're being taught is indeed proper? (See my previous comment)
"You can tell the tree by the fruit"
Now we think because we are merely human that anyone who could possibly be a guru is also merely a human but thats our Human fallacy to think that. We have to first educate ourselves in the sampradaya then we can speak about the results.
The fruits don't look promising. As I already mentioned, there doesn't seem to be a consensus. If the existence of a god and it's alleged properties are so plainly discernible, then we should see complete agreement or at least a consensus about the bare minimum. Even ISKCON is currently fractured into several different break away groups.
Right haridham. A question : Would you learn atomic science from your parents (unless they are qualified to teach it?)
Religion is deeper than atomic science, and therefore, most parents are not qualified to teach it to their children. You can't blame the school alright, but that's where you need to go anyway. For learning everything, there's a right age (statistically). There are thousands of children who memorize Gita like this, they can't all be child-Gods.
First we have to understand the difference between religion and spirituality. Spirituality is the inherint nature of the soul. There are many who are not qualified to teach it yet there are also many who are qualified to teach it. Vedic culture is based on guru sadhu and sastra, reading and reciting the gita is one thing but understanding it through a bonafide parampara through a bonafide sampradaya is another thing. I never stated that those who recite the git are "child gods"
so true kkkraves. I've seen people *attached* to the concept of God. So much that they get upset and might even harm you if you're blasphemous in front of them. This is definitely no religion People won't be like this if they choose their religion when they're grown ups and have healthy debates on it while learning. Religion is more akin to things you learn at universities, and universities and not for children. Children go to Kindergarten.
kkkraves - Completely agree with you here. It's a crime to introduce the concept of God to children, because they cannot fathom it. Early introduction of God will limit their thought. We should let them grow up without such ideas and let them choose for themselves which God (if any) they want to believe in.
I disagree when you state its a crime to introduce to children the concept of God. Who decides whats a crime or not? Many adults cannot fathom the understanding of God either, so its not a question of age but proper education. First we have to understand who God is, then we can speak. To talk about the gita and to recite is one thing but to understand it is another. I know many who understand gita and teach it to their children, that is not a crime at all.
Unfortunately, in the case of religious indoctrination by parents there's no age restrictions. A child is labelled with the religion of his/her parents as soon as he/she is born. The indoctrination begins from day one. Even before the child's mental, reasoning faculties are fully developed he/she is forced to accept whatever blatant falsehoods the parents would foist on him/her.
u r correct. Most people mistake their culture with a pre imposed designation. Now that doesnt mean as they get older they cant have a choice. My parents never forced me. I could have been a great atheist. Now as I got older i questioned my beliefs, when i was 15 i went 4 a search and i then settled with Krsna consciousness. However that was after 5 years of searching in india and china etc. I agree with u on the rest though.
@kkkraves The untrue realities of this world is what we created. The verses help in coming out of this wrong dream. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
kkkraves, not sure if you've read the book (Gita), it's full of wisdom that cannot be attained easily. And, mind, it's liberating wisdom. The Gita takes strong views for flexibility and for finding the truth. It also talks about the law of nature and the concept of time. The book is so liberating that it does not even bind you to itself :) If you've read it and find it stupid that's your view and I'm ok with it. However, I maintain that it's inhuman to make a child memorize the book.
for those fools leaving negetive comments here..i can tell u ur age.. u ppl are not more than 25..u'll better understand this girl and real essence of vedas, shloks,upnishads after the age of 45-50..and then u'll either spend ur time in reading these books or spend ur time in exploring this world.
nkcorp86, I'm well over 25 though not anywhere close to 45 or 50. Even so, I could tell you that unless I happen to suffer massive brain damage or go senile I don't see myself memorising or reciting these shlokas or upanishads in my old age. I value my hard won rationality and freedom from silly superstitions a little too much. I see no redeeming value in these ancient myths.
2. Let me just remind them, the girl is reciting 'shlokas' very well. Sanskrit shlokas have lots of conjugates (sandhi). One has to know what it means to break conjugates and how to recite them (eg. Tathastu = Tat aiv astu). To understand in ur friggin' language: If shloka contains WANNA (Want to), she is not saying 'Wanna', she is saying 'want to'. Either she is taught very well or she understand them well. In both these cases, i would infer she understands them.
responding to some of the negative comments here...
1. agree that there is enough stress in the life but not all kids are born to be cute, talk politely, act charmingly, study, play, enjoy with friends, get married and die. Even 'normal' children dont play same games or study with same level of devotion. I can rather say 'every child is special'.
recently they discoverd lanka and named it adam bridge,dwarka and so on and after that ppl like u started believe in hinduism.this is not superstition my brother. go and ask american ppl why they r adopting our culture yog which is modified them as yoga.belive buddy believe.i was also used to like u at some point of life..
Are we supposed to judge the truth value of claim by the number of Americans that believe in it? If that's the case then, humanity's truly screwed. What's with the blind aping of American culture that's so prevalent in India these days?
Define cult and show me proof where iskcon is considered a cult? Iskcon is actually a branch in the brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya, which is over 5thousand years old. No cult but rather vaishnava culture.
leave it hari..they just have to oppose without even knowing anything..they don't even know that "followers this cult" themselves believe that everyone is ultimately brahman in the form of atman(everyone is god(not the christian-judeo superconsciousness))and there is no last prophet..
Actually those in Krsna consciousness(iskcon) understand that we are not one with God or that everyone is God but rather that everyone is a servent of God. There is God and then there are the devotees.
thanks for the Url, but that site nor those incidents make iskcon a cult my friend. These things happen in normal every day life weather one is christian, hindu or otherwise, are people practicing those paths in a cult as well? Iskcon is actually a branch in the brahma Madhva Gaudiya sampradaya. One of the 4principle sampradayas recognized in vedic culture.
...And the theism virus gets passed onto another innocent generation. What use is memorising this crap going to be for her in the future? Absolutely nothing. She should be concentrating on doing well at school, not learning this superstitious junk.
dear brother kkkraves well i admire ur modern thinkin and im prity sure that u dont know anything about gita,upnishads and that all thats why u calling it superstitious.wats superstition is there in that ancient book which tells us thats our result depends on our karmas(deeds).i think u need facts as ur mentality has westernized.United states reveals facts and then our ppl believe.recently they proved that our mantras used to carry our weapons.this is wat i call as unfortunate part of india.
I know what Lokayata is. What she's reciting (chapter 15, where "Lord Krishna reveals the virtues, the glories and transcendental characteristics of God being omnipotenet, omniscient and omnipresent") has nothing to do with the purely materialistic philosophy that Lokayata espoused. I'm questioning the utility of having her memorise these meaningless shlokas at such a young age. What use is this going to be for her?
What makes you think these verses are meaningless to her? They may be meaningless to you and maybe even me but perhaps not to her, she for some reason recites these verses and perhaps she finds something of substance in them.
"What makes you think these verses are meaningless to her?"
She's 7 years old! I've spent much of my teenage years and adult life trying to comprehend the intricacies of various philosophies and I still consider myself to be quite wet behind the ears. Do you really think she has a deep understanding of all the concepts being laid out in the Gita or is more likely that she's doing this just because her parents made her to?
"She's 7 years old! I've spent much of my teenage years and adult life trying to comprehend the intricacies of various philosophies and I still consider myself to be quite wet behind the ears"
Yes, but not everyone is like u or I. It doesnt matter what I think about her understanding, nor I think it should matter to u. Yes, more then likely its her parents making her do that but y not contact them and find out. y speculate? Have u talked to her or her parents? Or are u going by ur experiance?
Actually Lord Krsna is God,and in the 15 chapter he is describing his(Krsna's) qualities. I mean its ultimatly her choice to memorise these verses, she could be memorising britney spears songs, i think this is a better choice. Perhaps you should ask her what she thinks of memorizing these verses.
"I mean its ultimatly her choice to memorise these verses..."
Really? Given a choice between memorising long complicated verses in a language that hardly anyone speaks anymore and going out to play with her friends, which do you think a 7 year old would choose? How is this any different from the tiny tot beauty pageants that parents in the West enter their kids into? I see ambitious parents using their kid to further their status in society just like someone showing off their new car.
"Really? Given a choice between memorising long complicated verses in a language that hardly anyone speaks anymore and going out to play with her friends, which do you think a 7 year old would choose?"
Well I remember when I was 7 i didnt play with kids. I wanted to read sastra while my parents wanted me to play. So it all depends on the individual. You are simply speculating due to vox populi
"Actually Lord Krsna is God,and in the 15 chapter he is describing his(Krsna's) qualities"
Yes, I know that's one interpretation. I was specifically responding to the person who asked me to "google lokayata". I was pointing out that the ideas put forth by the verses in Chapter 15 aren't in any way similar to the Lokayata philosophy, which was quite atheistic and materialistic in nature.
Actually that interpration is coming from the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya. The sampradaya that stems from the parampara of Lord Krsna. So ultimatly its not a mere interpretation but actually its the verse as it is preserved in that line. Unchanged and un motivated.
some how this is getting into practice among relegious groups that if a kid of lesser age can recite part of vedas or any such epic then its a God's blessing.
I myself dont support this kind of practice as it add's to un natural growth of the child as well as childrens around that child.
Sorry to say but I dont expect it practical and thus dont like its promotion in anyway.
Is that your kid? She is sweet. And this is awesome. But one is better off not encouraging one's kids to become performing monkeys. There is enough stress in their lives otherwise, as it is.
does she understand what she is speaking is the question, her retention power is exceptional i agree. the important thing is understanding the verses atleast thats what i think. i am in no way discrediting her.
she was in the process of studying BG in her past birth and hence this is a continuation of the same process. only her temporary pot i.e. body changed. nothing to be baffled about this. she is on her way to liberation. lucky she. i am still doing some slave job for the bare necessities and wasting my life like animals by eating mating excreting and sleeping. how many more trans migrations ? OM
yup.. gr8 memory power.. but this happens a lot in India... lot of kids easily memorize religious texts... and our pathetic education system will destroy every bit of brilliance in her n create nother hapless citizen out of her...
I honestly appreciate her great talent and merit. She is a blessed child. The very divine power and music of God's (Lord Sri Krishna's) words embedded in those Sanskrit poems is enough to purify tne mind. One need not understand them word by word. All Hindus must provide their children with such religious education which is denied to them by their dirty communist governments.
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Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
abhishekhmittal 2 months ago
Simply wonderful!
Simply giving aural reception to the words uttered by Sri Krishna, makes one eligible to enter into the mystery of the Absolute Truth in due course.
Hari bol!
parabinda 8 months ago
parrot....reading ... what use ?
daljeet3981 10 months ago
@daljeet3981 12 baj gaye kya?
jiturokz 8 months ago
@jiturokz
12 baje ka matlab jante ho ! baran tab bajte the jab vaishnav ladkion ko musalman rulers utha le jate the aur un ki mayen kahti thi ki beta 12 baj gaye sikhon ke aane ka time ho gaye...woo hame bacha lenge....Know the history behind 12 baje...... waheguru ji ka khalsa ....waheguru ji ki fateh....
daljeet3981 7 months ago
@daljeet3981 HaHa. sahi hai boss !!
sudhumravarna 1 month ago
Through all the noise, great work. Make a studio soundtrack if your able to (or garage band). Jaya Parampara!
charukrsnadasa 1 year ago
very good!
Rsry108 1 year ago
But is understanding of Krishna there....?
jajss 1 year ago
@jajss Understanding of Krishna is no understanding at all. With the intellectual mind absorbed in mantra or any recitation you create some space for awareness of Krishna (cosmic consciousness).
xGuttix 1 year ago
@xGuttix memorising the Bhagavad Gita is not enough, anyone can do it, it is understanding the instruction that is vital. Granted the fact that she can remember the Sankrit is amazing and in a whole it purifies her, but knowing the instruction is the essence
divyeshservantofgod 1 year ago
Yeah... Crowds are so rude and oblivious to what is in front of them. And that dude can't wait to sweep! This little girl is amazing
Vedas4 1 year ago
cleansing brainwahed : )
yaiduno13 1 year ago
its awesome our culture is beautiful
iriemon283 1 year ago
it's lucky books were invented
jastat 1 year ago
Hahaha hilarious these westerners trying to turn Indian....dorks !
frankbough1955 1 year ago
mindblowing
madhur34 1 year ago
Moksha, Enlightenment is earned, not given or begged for, unlike Heaven. That's the essential differnece between the two. Getting to heaven is not that difficult, all a pedophile or a terrorist needs to do is to beg like a dog. He gets to enjoy heaven while his living victims live thru hell. Moksha is earned thru knowledge, and knowledge has to be earned, not given. A Teacher who gives pass marks to a failed student is not doing him a favor. Reach for the Higher goal, reach for Moksha.
ramaraksha01 2 years ago
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@ramaraksha01 The knowledge is only passed on by the Guru. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
wonderful u r a gem of the bhagvad school of god on earth... may u b presnt in evry household... muaaaah big kiss angel
kritish0007 2 years ago
Absolutely amazing.
OmerArt79 2 years ago
Jaya. In this Kali Yuga ALL People are Born Sudra or lower class untouchables. You need work from Sudra stage and up to become Qualified. Reading the Gita is a perfect way to go back to God Head. Check out my channel for some Nice video. All Glories to Sri Krsna!
TheVedicStudent 2 years ago
I love how the Gita is recited...
The rythm and south indian tone particularly are so Godlike.
TheyBastardisedJesus 2 years ago 2
haha, impressive
When I lived in India, I savoured this precious time savouring the Sacred Scriptures and try to teach my sons the same- a big challenge for now but who knows,they might love India in the future and learn from those wonderful children.
Owleyes888 2 years ago
just exactly as western children learn complete music albums of steril and pointless music, this child utilize her intelligence for learn and recitate a supreme chapter of the Sacred Scriptures describing the Glories of the lord, it´s for sure that she can understand everything she is recitating.....
DJBF2007 2 years ago
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It goes without saying that this little girl is a pure devotee of the Lord, intelligence is not enough to recitate and understand chapter 15 of Bhagavad Gita, is necessary a deep feeling of love and devotion for lord krsna, western people can´t understand such a degree of saranagati, nitay Goura Premanande Haribol...!
DJBF2007 2 years ago
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DJBF2007 2 years ago
Does she know what all this means? lol....I think people of India should uplift the Dalits population and not this Bhraminism stuff. All people made stuff,
humrahiusa 2 years ago
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@humrahiusa Agreed but do you know the truth? Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
Gr8 job keep it up....
appreciate her for this and a gr8 job by her parents.. stop looking for reasons to criticizing the effort..
laddukajju 2 years ago
I don't understand if a girl by heart Bhagwat there is so many queries.
In our child hood we have been forced to learn alphabtes, numbers and poeams.
Then what wrong if child have beeen byhearted Bhagwat Gita.
BeliveInTruth 2 years ago
Hare Hari Om.
z8laz8 3 years ago
I think parents should stress more on explaining the meaning of Gita than making their kids memorize the shloks. I memorized the shloks when I was a kid, the whole 12th, 15th, and 6th chapter. But I didn't know the meaning of all of them. Memorization of sanskrit shloks is good, it improves ur memory but more important is to understand and follow the meaning of Gita.
swapte 3 years ago 2
I also have many slokas in my head from BG they are very good I am constantly going through them throughout the day or when Im waking up and going to sleep or in the shower the more you think about them the more you become aware of there deep meanings,every sloka is coming from the lips of God this the reality they are pure and nondifferent from Krsna ,engage your mind in always thinking of krsna that is the purpot and this is the process all glories to bhagavad gita shes performing the meaning
parasu108 2 years ago 2
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@swapte here is a great way to help others do so, Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
Hinduism is good except for caste feelings.
mildpace 3 years ago
Krishna says: A man is not judged based on which cast he is from but the actions he takes. A Bhramin that has the knowledge of wrong and write does something that is against Dharma is considered to be one of lowly selfs.
There is one caste; the cast of action but many people yet need to understand.
I myself am still learning.
GETOUTGOS 2 years ago
A dog's nature is to fight and growl and enjoy and eat meat
A human's nature is to be detached from the senses
and peaceful and devote to God and eat fruits.
A human is higher that a dog
yet if a human is acting like a dog
and a dog is acting like a dog
then God is pleased with the Dog
and the human is an abominations in his eyes.
Most the world are Outcasts. 5th class of men - animals. Meat eaters. But for the 4 casts / higher human natures, God watching if you live up to that cast.
TakeTheRezaOutOfRasa 2 years ago 2
@TakeTheRezaOutOfRasa Sorry, its based on your karma (karma = Aaradhna) you fall into different castes. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
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@GETOUTGOS God Bless you! Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
@mildpace There is actually no caste system NOR any religion NOR Hinduism. The whole universe is bounded by the sanatana dharma. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
She is truly a disciple of Prabhupada. She has the memory of a Sannyasi and the cuteness of a button.
VUandChips 3 years ago
Dear Vaishnava brothers and sisters. Don't worry about the critics. Bhagavan will rip them to bloody shreds like he did to Hiranyakashipu. Responding to them is tantamount to associating with them. Fie upon all those who criticize Vaishnavas. You are bringing catastrophe to the fate of your eternal soul. I am not a Sri Gaudiya Vaishnava or an ISKCON devotee buy I know enough to know that Vaishnava bashers will suffer the same fate as Ravana. Don't waste your precious Vaishnava breath on them.
thissar 3 years ago
Shabash to this great Vaishnava girl. With or without her knowledge she is purifying her surroundings. First of all you can always learn Bhashya, and Acharya Vyahkyanams later. According to Vedic tradition the child should memorize at an early age because the childs brain is like a spunge. Thats why children learn languages quite quickly without an accent whereas adults attempting to learn a language get an accent. The people criticizing have absorbed the western Rakshasa atheist mentality.
thissar 3 years ago
Haridham, what you are saying is that Lack of "something" is presence of "the same thing ". Lack of belief is the absence of belief. When those who've never known lack of belief face it, they don't know what to do with it, how to treat it. Therefore they call it "a type of belief". That's not true. Lack if belief can be emptiness, openness, void. It could be infinitely deeper than belief.
nineworthies 3 years ago
This child has good memory. Good
asaramscams 3 years ago
Its not so that the child is forced to memorize all this. People with superb memory sometimes read anything and just memorize..although I agree that she may not understand it. But I see there are some idiots here who are calling it all nonsense without knowing this. Firstly they shd get into thick of it and then comment.
Kornsk008i 3 years ago
True, people will call anything nonsense, but that's the nature of the world, stupidity is eternal. By "inhuman" I mean you're getting the child into a habit mug up and not understand, which is not good for her future. Besides, the fact is Bhagwadgita being beautiful verse is actually quite easy to remember - same for vedas, just good verse, maybe that's the magic of Sanskrit
nineworthies 3 years ago
nineworthies, please show me where I'm stupid. What practical use is this going to be for the girl in the real world?
kkkraves 3 years ago
These verses may help the girl in the real world by giving her solace when she is facing adversity, perhaps these verses mean something to her. There are verses that i have memorized from the gita and other vedic sastras that give me closure and understanding when I am down.
haridham 3 years ago
"These verses may help the girl in the real world by giving her solace when she is facing adversity..."
Yes, you've brought up a valid point. It is possible that these verses may give her some solace, just like a pacifier does to a distressed baby. But then there are people who are comforted by reading verses from the Bible or the Qur'an. So you see there's nothing unique about the ISKCON brand of pacifier.
kkkraves 3 years ago
Weather its the quran or bible it doesnt matter. You have an issue with iskcon, which is fine, thats your choice. However what someone chooses is upto them.
haridham 3 years ago
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@haridham Well, as long as the truth is being preached I have no issues. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
I'd much rather see her grow up into an adult that understands the ambiguity and harsh realities of that's a feature of this real world we live in and is able to deal with it on her own without having to resort to chanting inane verses in a dead language.
kkkraves 3 years ago
Your opinion is quite narrow minded. You would rather a lot of things but it is ultimatly up to the individual.
haridham 3 years ago
"You would rather a lot of things but it is ultimatly up to the individual. "
We're not talking about an adult here, but a child. Is it a narrow minded opinion that children shouldn't be allowed to drive until they reach a certain age? According to your logic, we should let them, since it is up to the individual...
kkkraves 3 years ago
Yes, I understand she is a child(externely) but again u dont know her mind. It is narrow minded 2 think driving a car is equal 2 reciting a few slokas. Even adults drive cars doesnt mean that they adhere and drive safely. I mean that is upto the individual as well. Social convention of driving weather its a young child or not still doesnt determine if they are responsible. Responsibility has nothing to do with how old you are, we should not base our limitations on others.
haridham 3 years ago
I agree that there are certain adults who cannot drive as well as most people. Even so, there is a general standard that adults drive better than children. This is why we have a minimum age restriction, before a person could apply for a licence. Licences aren't issued to children below a certain age. Following your logic, every child should have the opportunity to be tested without any restrictions.
kkkraves 3 years ago
It may be the standard but its not fullproof, even you would agree to that right? My logic is based on the actual understanding behind the act(reciting verses) and not social standards of driving. Reciting verses and driving are 2 different things.
haridham 3 years ago
My intent in using the analogy of driving was meant to address your point that you should let the individual choose. I was making a point that generally children are restricted in their choices because their physical and mental development have not reached a stage where we trust them to make a responsible choice.
kkkraves 3 years ago
I understand your intent, however the analogy doesnt fit in this perticular case in my opinion. She can still choose. As she gets older she will probably go to school, get an education, a career, marriage etc, learning these verses wont stop her from doing any of those things.
haridham 3 years ago
Childhood indoctrination is very hard to get rid of, my friend... I've seen many adults who are so scared of questioning whatever has been taught to them at an impressionable age. They grow up to be extremely gullible believers who would be taken advantage of by unscrupulous cult leaders. Not every person saying "Hari Bol" or "Hare Krsna" could be trusted to have the best intentions for you...
kkkraves 3 years ago
Yes, you are correct, they are hard to get rid of. I know of many people that way as well, but now we have to talk about proper guidence and how to apply the "indoctrination" logicaly and practically. You are correct, not everyone saying anything could have the best intentions. i am aware of that. However that doesnt discredit the entire culture or siddhanta. Not everyone who goes to school graduates. Cant always blame the schools when there are others graduating.
haridham 3 years ago
"how to apply the "indoctrination" logicaly and practically"
How about not indoctrinating our children at all? Let her be a child for now and not pretend to be an adult, just so that some of us adults can look at her and go, "Oh! how cute!". What's wrong about letting her reach a certain age where she can actually understand and be able to critically analyse different philosophies and then make an informed choice as to which one she'll follow?
kkkraves 3 years ago
ahhh but there lies some very harsh and uncertain realities for the child or anyone for that matter. Where will v stop? Who is 2 say that doctorine that we are indoctarated in high school should be followed? Why is that ok and what the parents teach u not good. Teaching a child lets say to be an athiest is exactly no different then what those who are thiest do. Thiesm or athiesm are both beliefs. So we are walking a thin line when we suggest not to indoctorate the child with anything.
haridham 3 years ago
I've never heard of any school where they tell you to be an atheist. I certainly wasn't taught atheism at the schools that I attended. I would be against children being taught to be anything. I would rather that we equip them with the reasoning tools to be able to critically analyse whatever's being presented to them. Teach them *how* to think, not *what* to think. That's the difference...
kkkraves 3 years ago
You misunderstood me. Sorry, let me clarify. I didnt state that schools teach you to be an athiest, i was saying that schools also teach us a perticular doctorine. The athiest comment was based on a perticular type of belief a child is taught. Weather its theism or athiesm it makes no difference. Even when we dont hold a perticular belief that in itself is a belief that we are doctronizing to the child. So now matter what, the child will be inundated with thoughts of how to think etc.
haridham 3 years ago
"Even when we dont hold a perticular belief that in itself is a belief"
That is inherently self-contradictory. Lack of a belief is not a belief.
kkkraves 3 years ago
"That is inherently self-contradictory. Lack of a belief is not a belief"
I disagree, a lack of belief is basically a belief that something doesnt exist. I may not believe in china because i have never been there but thats my uneducated belief. If you tell your child to believe whatever they want to believe, that is also your belief.
haridham 3 years ago
I also disagree with your comment that atheism and theism are both beliefs. Theism is a belief that a god/gods exist. Atheism is the *lack* of that belief, nothing more.
kkkraves 3 years ago
You may disagree however my point is that beliefs are beliefs. A lack of belief is still a belief. After all even atheism requires a type of faith that a God/Gods dont exist.
haridham 3 years ago
"A lack of belief is still a belief."
That is contradictory! Atheism does not require faith. If you *lack* faith that a god or gods exist, then you are an atheist. There's a subtle difference there...
kkkraves 3 years ago
Athiesm is not always based on lacking faith but rather not wanting to believe as well. I know many people who dont like the idea of God.
haridham 3 years ago
"I know many people who dont like the idea of God."
If you're talking about people who are angry at some god/gods, then they're not atheists because to be angry at something would mean having to believe in its existence. I would call such people angry theists, not atheists.
Atheists simply don't have a valid reason to believe, hence they don't believe.
kkkraves 3 years ago
No, I wasnt talking about someone being angry at God. They dont like the idea that they would have to actually pray to/surrender/worship a God. Now that is their belief, that surrendering/worshiping/etc is beneath them.
An athiest cannot believe in god because he doesnt have the sufficiant data to understand God. He should approach someone who knows how to understand God through realizations and proper education and not mere blind belief.
haridham 3 years ago
According to me, and I would think that most people would agree with me on this, the only valid reason to believe that something exists, is because you have sufficient evidence that points conclusively towards it's existence. Everything else, including your motives are immaterial.
As far as me personally, I don't think there's enough evidence that points towards there being a god/gods. Theists cannot even agree on a common definition for the term 'god'.
kkkraves 3 years ago
Yes, thats vox populi. Now the understanding of God and wanting sufficiant evidence well we must try to get sufficiant evidence from a proper source or we will end up with Psuedo evidence and base our conclusion on those facts. I understand that for you there is no evidence however I think you should check the evidence that which you are measuring by.
haridham 3 years ago
What would be a proper source according to you and how do you know that it is proper?
kkkraves 3 years ago
Thats a great question. The proper source has to be based on something called Guru, Sadhu and Sastra through a parampara(lineage) via a bonafide sampradaya(school or education facility) which(theologicaly speaking) directly comes down the line of presenters(gurus, acaryas, self realized souls) who have experiance and realized this knowledge which has been preserved as it is without contamination. They impart the same knowledge 2 you, which you can if applied properly give the proper result.
haridham 3 years ago
A guru is a fallible human just like you, no matter his parampara or sampradaya. He was taught by his guru, who is another fallible human who was taught by his guru, etc etc. They could be and very often have been wrong. If they impart a falsehood to you during the course of your learning, how will you learn to recognise it as such?
kkkraves 3 years ago
First you have to understand what a REAL guru is. The guru parampara(theologically speaking) comes from God himself. Now if you give God a chance to exist then obviously he is not merely another human being. Now the teaching of a self realized guru who is not an ordinary man is something that helps you become self realized. The guru gets his teaching from God. Now in order to see if we succeed or not is based on how we are evolving spiritualy. Are we realizing we are the soul not the body etc?
haridham 3 years ago
A guru can claim to be the REAL deal. A guru can claim to have received his teaching directly from God. God if we go by the common definition does not need man's permission to exist. If a guru tells me that I'm a soul and a body, am I supposed to take him on his word alone? I guess the thrust of my question is whether I can as a student independently verify whether what my guru says is the truth or not.
kkkraves 3 years ago
A guru can claim to be the REAL dea. A guru can claim to have received his teaching directly from God. God if we go by the common definition does not need man's permission to exist. If a guru tells me that I'm a soul and a body, am I supposed to take him on his word alone? I guess the thrust of my question is whether I can, as a student independently verify whether what my guru says is the truth or not.
kkkraves 3 years ago
No, not talking about claiming here. A real guru shows the symptoms mentioned in the sastras. Again the term guru is not by itself, there is sadhu and sastra, they all have to coincide. If a guru states something outside of sastra then it should be rejected. Ultimatly if what the guru has taught u is correct then you can independently verify what is the truth. There has to be a measuring stick to validate your experiance.
haridham 3 years ago
Aren't the shastras written accounts of a guru's teachings? Again written by fallible humans... How do you verify that the shastras are indeed correct?
kkkraves 3 years ago
In ur opinion fallible humans. Thats Y proper ed is needed. Theologically speaking the sastras r apurushaya(non human) & they were composed by Vyasadev who is the compilor of the vedas and an incarnation of God. 2 varify anything we must try the process. e.g If it states in a chemistry book that x and y mixed together will form z, so if we try what the book states correctly as it is presented without our own concoction then the result will be z. Someone originaly tried the experiment right?(God)
haridham 3 years ago
"In ur opinion fallible humans."
Indeed. I've never have this god or any god speak directly to me. I've heard plenty of fallible humans talking about their favourite version of god/gods.
"Theologically speaking the sastras r apurushaya(non human) & they were composed by Vyasadev who is the compilor of the vedas and an incarnation of God"
These are simply claims that are being made by fallible humans without evidence offered in support.
kkkraves 3 years ago
Try the process and see. You have heard from those who havent had the proper process of realizing God. The chemistry book states that x plus y equals z and you should do it. I doubt you would question that or atleast do the experiment, so why not do this experiment. The proof is in the pudding and the tree of its fruits(sorry, mind falling asleep)
haridham 3 years ago
No science book has ever asked me to take anything simply on faith. I had excellent science teachers all through school, who encouraged me to ask really probing questions. In science, scepticism is a virtue. Pointing to the guru's lineage or tradition as evidence of his infallibility is a fallacy (one of appeal to authority). One should never believe something simply because someone in an apparent position of authority said so.
kkkraves 3 years ago
Spirituality is a science and if applied properly will give the proper result. Just as in a science book. Just like ur teachers I 2 have had great teachers. Thinking of a lineage or tradition being a fallacy is a fallacy in itself from our own mind as u havent objectively tried the process, instead refer to subjective conclusion that you have already made. You as an authority are telling me of a fallacy without trying to experiment, therefore i should not believe that. Just try the process.
haridham 3 years ago
"...objectively tried the process... Just try the process."
What process if I may ask? Are you asking me to read the Bhagavad Gita? If so, I've already done that. What else am I supposed to do?
kkkraves 3 years ago
Im glad u read the gita, however who's translation? Is it bonafide? Reading the gita once(i presume) is not enough, 1 must try 2 understand it via a bonafide guru as mentioned in the gita. U have 2 associate with like minded individuals who r also trying the process. I suggest(despite you thinking iskcon is a cult) that u go 2 your local iskcon temple abserve 4 a month, actually go see what happens there. Ask questions, associate with those who have been trying the process. Then judge.
haridham 3 years ago
Why do I need to go to an ISKCON centre? What new revelations are they going to give me?
kkkraves 3 years ago
"Why do I need to go to an ISKCON centre?"
Iskcon is part of the brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya. Iskcon presents vedic culture as it is coming down from Lord Krsna. The revelations will be revealed to you regarding the fact that you are not this body but an eternel spirit soul who is the servent of God and how you will be able to REestablish your relationship with Krsna.
haridham 3 years ago
"Iskcon is part of the brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya"
Argument from authority.
"Iskcon presents vedic culture as it is coming down from Lord Krsna"
Claim unsupported by evidence. You have to start by proving that a character called Krsna existed apart from myth and legend in the first place.
"...who is the servent of God"
Start by proving there's a god and explain why he/she/it would need a servant?
kkkraves 3 years ago
"Argument from authority"
One should not dismiss something just because its based on authority. I mean i doubt u did that with your teachers right?
What makes u think that a character called Krsna never existed? What process have you tried to varify his existence?
Well if you want proof of krsna then first why not prove that your great great great great great grandfather existed. I mean i shoudnt take it on blind faith right? Also there is archeological evidence, if u want i can send u
haridham 3 years ago
Now, there is no need to god to have a servent, however it is our inherint nature for us to serve him. Just as the inherint nature of water is to be wet, our natural position is that we serve, that is what is most blissful for us.
haridham 3 years ago
you are supposed to chant, or sing in congregation the maha mantra HARE KRISHNA
HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE,
HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE
reading is good but in order to really experience this process is raccomanded.
Where are you located ?
Have you ever visited the local Hare Krishna temple just for a nice sunday feast with singing an a free delicious vegetarian meal ?
YOU ARE INVITED !
ShalomSarahMorgentau 3 years ago
If I doubt my Chemistry teacher, I can reproduce the experiment myself and be convinced. There's the difference between religion and science.
"Someone originaly tried the experiment right?(God)"
Again a claim that I'm supposed to believe without evidence.
"i am falling asleep so i am not gonna write much."
That's okay. We could continue later if you so wish. ;-) It's been nice discussing with you so far. Thanks for that. :-)
kkkraves 3 years ago
Yes, thats why you need a proper chemistry teacher, not just someone who claims to be one(fallible guru vs real guru)
Evidence is in the process. Try the pudding tree experiment process.
I dont mind discussing later. Yeah its been great talking to you.
haridham 3 years ago
"Ultimatly if what the guru has taught u is correct then you can independently verify what is the truth"
How do we do that?
kkkraves 3 years ago
check my latest reply, i am falling asleep so i am not gonna write much.
haridham 3 years ago
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@kkkraves Please listen to Yatharth Geeta, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
@haridham Jane bin na hoye Priti, priti bin na hoye partiti...dont sweat, everyone will have their turn. God Bless you!
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
@kkkraves you are right, the manas states - Jane bin na hoye priti, priti bin na hoye partiti. That means until you see the truth you will never believe in anything. At this point I would suggest that you keep waiting. 'God' Bless You!
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
Hence you see the different denominations and disagreements and infighting among the various religions today. If theists themselves aren't agreed on what a 'god' is and what it's alleged properties are, then how can they say that an atheist does not have sufficient knowledge to understand this 'god'?
kkkraves 3 years ago
"Hence you see the different denominations and disagreements and infighting among the various religions today"
Thats human nature and not a reflection on thiesm itself. Personal self grandizement instead of the proper understanding of God without proper knowledge causes factions etc.
haridham 3 years ago
It's human nature to have disagreements, but certainly we are capable of reaching a consensus given enough discussion. Theistic belief has been around almost as long as modern humans have been around and yet there seems to be no sign of a consensus. Instead, we see new religions popping up all the time and existing religions getting fractured into different sects. If the existence of a god is plainly discernible to everyone, then why don't we have agreement?
kkkraves 3 years ago
Yes, but enough discussion is not enough, proper education is needed. This is a world of duality, theologicaly speaking this world is not meant as paradise but rather a prison house. Its temperary and a place of misery. So the understanding of god for each person based on their relationship with God. So God gives those facility who want to accept him in a certain manner however many misuse that free will and instead self impose their own ideas on others.
haridham 3 years ago
What is proper education and how will you know that what you're being taught is indeed proper? (See my previous comment)
kkkraves 3 years ago
"What is proper education and how will you know that what you're being taught is indeed proper? (See my previous comment)
"You can tell the tree by the fruit"
Now we think because we are merely human that anyone who could possibly be a guru is also merely a human but thats our Human fallacy to think that. We have to first educate ourselves in the sampradaya then we can speak about the results.
haridham 3 years ago
"You can tell the tree by the fruit"
The fruits don't look promising. As I already mentioned, there doesn't seem to be a consensus. If the existence of a god and it's alleged properties are so plainly discernible, then we should see complete agreement or at least a consensus about the bare minimum. Even ISKCON is currently fractured into several different break away groups.
kkkraves 3 years ago
Right haridham. A question : Would you learn atomic science from your parents (unless they are qualified to teach it?)
Religion is deeper than atomic science, and therefore, most parents are not qualified to teach it to their children. You can't blame the school alright, but that's where you need to go anyway. For learning everything, there's a right age (statistically). There are thousands of children who memorize Gita like this, they can't all be child-Gods.
nineworthies 3 years ago
First we have to understand the difference between religion and spirituality. Spirituality is the inherint nature of the soul. There are many who are not qualified to teach it yet there are also many who are qualified to teach it. Vedic culture is based on guru sadhu and sastra, reading and reciting the gita is one thing but understanding it through a bonafide parampara through a bonafide sampradaya is another thing. I never stated that those who recite the git are "child gods"
haridham 3 years ago
so true kkkraves. I've seen people *attached* to the concept of God. So much that they get upset and might even harm you if you're blasphemous in front of them. This is definitely no religion People won't be like this if they choose their religion when they're grown ups and have healthy debates on it while learning. Religion is more akin to things you learn at universities, and universities and not for children. Children go to Kindergarten.
nineworthies 3 years ago
@kkkraves Totally right, but that is the very reason that we have a head above our shoulders to figure out the truth, no?
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
kkkraves - Completely agree with you here. It's a crime to introduce the concept of God to children, because they cannot fathom it. Early introduction of God will limit their thought. We should let them grow up without such ideas and let them choose for themselves which God (if any) they want to believe in.
nineworthies 3 years ago
I disagree when you state its a crime to introduce to children the concept of God. Who decides whats a crime or not? Many adults cannot fathom the understanding of God either, so its not a question of age but proper education. First we have to understand who God is, then we can speak. To talk about the gita and to recite is one thing but to understand it is another. I know many who understand gita and teach it to their children, that is not a crime at all.
haridham 3 years ago
Unfortunately, in the case of religious indoctrination by parents there's no age restrictions. A child is labelled with the religion of his/her parents as soon as he/she is born. The indoctrination begins from day one. Even before the child's mental, reasoning faculties are fully developed he/she is forced to accept whatever blatant falsehoods the parents would foist on him/her.
kkkraves 3 years ago
u r correct. Most people mistake their culture with a pre imposed designation. Now that doesnt mean as they get older they cant have a choice. My parents never forced me. I could have been a great atheist. Now as I got older i questioned my beliefs, when i was 15 i went 4 a search and i then settled with Krsna consciousness. However that was after 5 years of searching in india and china etc. I agree with u on the rest though.
haridham 3 years ago
@kkkraves The untrue realities of this world is what we created. The verses help in coming out of this wrong dream. Please listen to Yatharth Geeta OR Bhagavad Gita, never has Bhagavad Gita been explained so clearly and in so much in depth. It is hence called "Yatharthgeeta, you can download the mp3 of your choice of language from the website yatharthgeeta. com OR search for 'yatharthgeeta' right here on youtube OR go to youtube .com/user/foryatharthgeeta to get a quick preview. God Bless You
foryatharthgeeta 1 year ago
kkkraves, not sure if you've read the book (Gita), it's full of wisdom that cannot be attained easily. And, mind, it's liberating wisdom. The Gita takes strong views for flexibility and for finding the truth. It also talks about the law of nature and the concept of time. The book is so liberating that it does not even bind you to itself :) If you've read it and find it stupid that's your view and I'm ok with it. However, I maintain that it's inhuman to make a child memorize the book.
nineworthies 3 years ago
It is inhuman to make a child memorize anything he/she does not understand.
nineworthies 3 years ago
for those fools leaving negetive comments here..i can tell u ur age.. u ppl are not more than 25..u'll better understand this girl and real essence of vedas, shloks,upnishads after the age of 45-50..and then u'll either spend ur time in reading these books or spend ur time in exploring this world.
nkcorp86 3 years ago
nkcorp86, I'm well over 25 though not anywhere close to 45 or 50. Even so, I could tell you that unless I happen to suffer massive brain damage or go senile I don't see myself memorising or reciting these shlokas or upanishads in my old age. I value my hard won rationality and freedom from silly superstitions a little too much. I see no redeeming value in these ancient myths.
kkkraves 3 years ago
lol they are philosophy.some are even atheist.have you even read or understood any of these.lol such ignorant people around here
maggi2004 3 years ago
3. People memorise hanuman chalisa too. I would be interested to know how many understand it.
bharatgoyal 3 years ago
2. Let me just remind them, the girl is reciting 'shlokas' very well. Sanskrit shlokas have lots of conjugates (sandhi). One has to know what it means to break conjugates and how to recite them (eg. Tathastu = Tat aiv astu). To understand in ur friggin' language: If shloka contains WANNA (Want to), she is not saying 'Wanna', she is saying 'want to'. Either she is taught very well or she understand them well. In both these cases, i would infer she understands them.
bharatgoyal 3 years ago
responding to some of the negative comments here...
1. agree that there is enough stress in the life but not all kids are born to be cute, talk politely, act charmingly, study, play, enjoy with friends, get married and die. Even 'normal' children dont play same games or study with same level of devotion. I can rather say 'every child is special'.
bharatgoyal 3 years ago
And ISKCON is a frigging cult!
kkkraves 3 years ago
recently they discoverd lanka and named it adam bridge,dwarka and so on and after that ppl like u started believe in hinduism.this is not superstition my brother. go and ask american ppl why they r adopting our culture yog which is modified them as yoga.belive buddy believe.i was also used to like u at some point of life..
nkcorp86 3 years ago
"go and ask american ppl why they r adopting..."
Are we supposed to judge the truth value of claim by the number of Americans that believe in it? If that's the case then, humanity's truly screwed. What's with the blind aping of American culture that's so prevalent in India these days?
kkkraves 3 years ago
Define cult and show me proof where iskcon is considered a cult? Iskcon is actually a branch in the brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya, which is over 5thousand years old. No cult but rather vaishnava culture.
haridham 3 years ago
leave it hari..they just have to oppose without even knowing anything..they don't even know that "followers this cult" themselves believe that everyone is ultimately brahman in the form of atman(everyone is god(not the christian-judeo superconsciousness))and there is no last prophet..
maggi2004 3 years ago
Actually those in Krsna consciousness(iskcon) understand that we are not one with God or that everyone is God but rather that everyone is a servent of God. There is God and then there are the devotees.
haridham 3 years ago
haridham:
tinyurl(dot)com/3n8odq
kkkraves 3 years ago
thanks for the Url, but that site nor those incidents make iskcon a cult my friend. These things happen in normal every day life weather one is christian, hindu or otherwise, are people practicing those paths in a cult as well? Iskcon is actually a branch in the brahma Madhva Gaudiya sampradaya. One of the 4principle sampradayas recognized in vedic culture.
haridham 3 years ago
...And the theism virus gets passed onto another innocent generation. What use is memorising this crap going to be for her in the future? Absolutely nothing. She should be concentrating on doing well at school, not learning this superstitious junk.
kkkraves 3 years ago
dear brother kkkraves well i admire ur modern thinkin and im prity sure that u dont know anything about gita,upnishads and that all thats why u calling it superstitious.wats superstition is there in that ancient book which tells us thats our result depends on our karmas(deeds).i think u need facts as ur mentality has westernized.United states reveals facts and then our ppl believe.recently they proved that our mantras used to carry our weapons.this is wat i call as unfortunate part of india.
nkcorp86 3 years ago
google lokayata
schinoy 3 years ago
I know what Lokayata is. What she's reciting (chapter 15, where "Lord Krishna reveals the virtues, the glories and transcendental characteristics of God being omnipotenet, omniscient and omnipresent") has nothing to do with the purely materialistic philosophy that Lokayata espoused. I'm questioning the utility of having her memorise these meaningless shlokas at such a young age. What use is this going to be for her?
kkkraves 3 years ago
What makes you think these verses are meaningless to her? They may be meaningless to you and maybe even me but perhaps not to her, she for some reason recites these verses and perhaps she finds something of substance in them.
haridham 3 years ago
"What makes you think these verses are meaningless to her?"
She's 7 years old! I've spent much of my teenage years and adult life trying to comprehend the intricacies of various philosophies and I still consider myself to be quite wet behind the ears. Do you really think she has a deep understanding of all the concepts being laid out in the Gita or is more likely that she's doing this just because her parents made her to?
kkkraves 3 years ago
"She's 7 years old! I've spent much of my teenage years and adult life trying to comprehend the intricacies of various philosophies and I still consider myself to be quite wet behind the ears"
Yes, but not everyone is like u or I. It doesnt matter what I think about her understanding, nor I think it should matter to u. Yes, more then likely its her parents making her do that but y not contact them and find out. y speculate? Have u talked to her or her parents? Or are u going by ur experiance?
haridham 3 years ago
Actually Lord Krsna is God,and in the 15 chapter he is describing his(Krsna's) qualities. I mean its ultimatly her choice to memorise these verses, she could be memorising britney spears songs, i think this is a better choice. Perhaps you should ask her what she thinks of memorizing these verses.
haridham 3 years ago
"I mean its ultimatly her choice to memorise these verses..."
Really? Given a choice between memorising long complicated verses in a language that hardly anyone speaks anymore and going out to play with her friends, which do you think a 7 year old would choose? How is this any different from the tiny tot beauty pageants that parents in the West enter their kids into? I see ambitious parents using their kid to further their status in society just like someone showing off their new car.
kkkraves 3 years ago
"Really? Given a choice between memorising long complicated verses in a language that hardly anyone speaks anymore and going out to play with her friends, which do you think a 7 year old would choose?"
Well I remember when I was 7 i didnt play with kids. I wanted to read sastra while my parents wanted me to play. So it all depends on the individual. You are simply speculating due to vox populi
haridham 3 years ago
"Actually Lord Krsna is God,and in the 15 chapter he is describing his(Krsna's) qualities"
Yes, I know that's one interpretation. I was specifically responding to the person who asked me to "google lokayata". I was pointing out that the ideas put forth by the verses in Chapter 15 aren't in any way similar to the Lokayata philosophy, which was quite atheistic and materialistic in nature.
kkkraves 3 years ago
"Yes, I know that's one interpretation"
Actually that interpration is coming from the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya. The sampradaya that stems from the parampara of Lord Krsna. So ultimatly its not a mere interpretation but actually its the verse as it is preserved in that line. Unchanged and un motivated.
haridham 3 years ago
some how this is getting into practice among relegious groups that if a kid of lesser age can recite part of vedas or any such epic then its a God's blessing.
I myself dont support this kind of practice as it add's to un natural growth of the child as well as childrens around that child.
Sorry to say but I dont expect it practical and thus dont like its promotion in anyway.
aa01010 3 years ago
Is that your kid? She is sweet. And this is awesome. But one is better off not encouraging one's kids to become performing monkeys. There is enough stress in their lives otherwise, as it is.
drharishp 3 years ago
yeah ! u r damnright...!
punjabheart007 3 years ago
Hindus are trying to copy from muslims ! It's muslims who are in habbit of boasting young kids reciting Koran from memory
punjabheart007 3 years ago
Very nice...may Sri Krishna bless her
Hari Bol!
thebless4ever 3 years ago
does she understand what she is speaking is the question, her retention power is exceptional i agree. the important thing is understanding the verses atleast thats what i think. i am in no way discrediting her.
kshitij691 3 years ago
Wow!!!!Mesmerizing!!!
ritureigns 3 years ago
she was in the process of studying BG in her past birth and hence this is a continuation of the same process. only her temporary pot i.e. body changed. nothing to be baffled about this. she is on her way to liberation. lucky she. i am still doing some slave job for the bare necessities and wasting my life like animals by eating mating excreting and sleeping. how many more trans migrations ? OM
indianrailways 3 years ago
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knpradeep77 9 months ago
@indianrailways
Hi Mr. Ranjith, you are wasting your life by posting hateful comments against kerala. you will never achieve salvation.
bhajagovindam moodhamathe
knpradeep77 9 months ago
yup.. gr8 memory power.. but this happens a lot in India... lot of kids easily memorize religious texts... and our pathetic education system will destroy every bit of brilliance in her n create nother hapless citizen out of her...
harrydickens123 3 years ago
I honestly appreciate her great talent and merit. She is a blessed child. The very divine power and music of God's (Lord Sri Krishna's) words embedded in those Sanskrit poems is enough to purify tne mind. One need not understand them word by word. All Hindus must provide their children with such religious education which is denied to them by their dirty communist governments.
subtadepalli 3 years ago
what a memory power...
really hatsuf
anilpeddi17 3 years ago
NICE WORK KEEP IT UP
pankaj5656 3 years ago 2
this is really wonderfull
kodikal77 3 years ago 2
Why memorize some text when you can read it from book?
Isn't understanding what is being said more important than memorizing?
How is memorizing Geeta useful in today's world?
wces423 3 years ago