For those who think the Holocaust happened, lets do some math.
6 million died they say in gas chambers and were burned in crematoriums right?
Fact: 1 pound of flesh = 1 cubic inch of ash.
If the average person’s weight was 125 lbs x 6 million = 750,000,000 cubic inches which = 62,500,000 cubic feet of ash. (not including the ash from the furnaces) and it would take 68 years to accomplish with the technology of the day.
Question: How could that be done in 4.5 years and where is all that ash?
@ta2dave Not to mention that the Germans were meticulous record keepers and ppl like Zundel etc who have dedicated their life to finding the truth about the holohoax, have found that it was not even feasable by the amount of coal etc used by the Germans to dispose of the dead, could come anywhere near the 6 million #. More of our ppl died in the 2nd WW than the jews but we don't ever seem to mention that fact. Anyway you are right the holocau$t didn't happen it's a total lie
@ta2dave Unbelievably wrong. A cubic foot is 1728 cubic inches (12 x 12 x 12) not 12 cubic inches, you nimrod. And, no, all six million were not killed in gas chambers and crematoria. Millions were also killed in more conventional and far less "efficient" fashion. So, since you were off by a factor of 144, let's take your idiotic math and divide 68 years by 144: .472, or a little less than 6 months. Hmmmmmm.
"But the fourth death code was in fact a secret one. F-6 stood for SB, Sonderbehandlung or "Special Treatment." Any punishment coded F-6 was in fact an order for extermination, either by gas chamber or bullet."
IBM & The Holocaust, p.365
Black's source for this = Josef Kramer. A Nazi who long into his trial denied any gassings at Auschwitz. But then all of the sudden remembered there were gassings. It had nothing to do with him being tortured or his family threatened of course.
Jewish folks did not seem to have anything to do with creating the Myth of Gas Chambers etc. When the Allies discovered the full horror of their Air Raids on Germany, (Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin, Frankfurt, etc) they needed some big fantastic story to divert peoples attention away from the mass graves and hundreds of thousands of crippled people. And whadya know! they found Gas Chambers! The 24/7 Brainwashing with T.V. after the war finished the Black Propaganda Job against Germany.
put cyanide in a room and test with sensors the amount of gas vapors given off and show more proof along with Fred Luechter that the shower rooms were used for showers and the delousing chambers were used to kill lice.
Yet jews were telling long stories about these things being true and how they saw it with their own eyes,even though it is now accepted that those things never happened. Those lies just throw doubt over the whole thing!
A few lies throw doubt on the whole theory? Did you hear about the climate letter scandals recently? These scientists were fudging the data on climate change and climate denialists were going LOOK SEE!? THEY ARE LYING!??! GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT HAPPENING!!! ... When in fact it is. We are in a global warming trend caused by human C02 emmissions and Animal production releasing methane. But by your logic a few liars means it's all made up.
Problem is that physical evidence for the Holocaust AND Global Warming is non-existent. Take away the eye witness testimony (that is now illegal to question or investigate in some countries) and fudged data (the raw temperature data has been thrown away, all we have left is the "corrected" temperature data) and there is nothing left. People died in the camps, but the official story is false. The climate may be changing, but not the way we are told by government "Climatologists".
Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union. If no one was gassed regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin, then there was no Genocide and 'reparations' were based on fraud. That's why It's important to question what happend.
In 1990 The Polish Government lowered the Auschwitz death totals from 4 million to 1.5 million, are they dening the deaths of 2.5 million victims? Yet if Zundel or anybody else says this they are automatically called a "Holocaust denier" and in his case thrown in jail for 7 years.Why were "eyewitness accounts" concerning the extermination camps in Germany disproven, while the "proofs," "certainties," and "eyewitness accounts" concerning the extermination camps in Poland still claim to be true?
Nobelman1000: where in anything I wrote did I attribute a damned thing to the Palestinians? Come up with a new argument, please.And, yes, I have a right to believe whatever I want. Normally I choose to believe things that, say, ACTUALLY HAPPENED, with REAMS AND REAMS of HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. How's that?
And your straw man about the Palestinians: They have been unfairly treated, that is true. I do not condonde their treatment at the hands of Israelis. Nor do I engage in moral equivalency.
All of you clowns out there denying the Holocaust, questioning the numbers who were slaughtered: Don't you MORONs realize that the numbers come from records of the GERMANS themselves as to how many they shot and gassed? I challenge you vicious liars to take a look at any photo of any CHILD slaughtered in a Nazi death camp (these photos exist in the hundreds) and maintain your silly charade of denial. Your denial burns the memory of these children, and saps you of any claim on humanity.
@TheWallybackman it is ur right to believe in what u believe, but what the palestinians have ever done to cuase all of that sufering that u believe has happend ?
You are free to say whatever you want just as long as it does not conflict with any of the many Jewish agendas. That is the true state of freedom of speech in the west.
The Holocaust, "after it was institutionalized". what is that supposed to mean exactly, you deranged moron? Institutionalized by the nazi savages who marched 1.5 million CHILDREN into gas chambers, you lunatic piece of garbage?
Holocaust deniers are useful. As soon as they open their mouths, you realize they are absurd clowns and can simply ignore them.
Dude that 6 million number goes back to WW1 when Jews claimed that the Czar was persecuting 6 million Jews... Anyone in the know see's through whole "6" numerology deal... The state of Israel is even represented by a 6 pointed star that has jack shit to do with King David. Wanna feel sad about something? Feel bad for American Blacks who's ancestors were enslaved for over 400 years. Many millions died as a direct result of the trade.
the 1969 book "Myth of the Six Million" by Harvard PhD David Hoggan unmasked how the "holocaust" was fabricated to bury Nazism and popularize the military takeover of Germany. The "holocaust" fraud was subsequently used to steal Palestine and deflect scrutiny away from the numerous extermination operations carried out by the jew-funded nations such as the Holodomor, Katyn forest, Bromberg, Danzig, Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne, Royan, Berlin, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Gulag death camps.
Well one thing about this guy , he is standing on what he believes. When he went on the Phil Donahue show to debate the existence or non existence of the alledged gas chambers, Phil , the "impartial" talk show host side steped the issue that he wasn't smart enough to debate and unleashed his anti-semite routine on the guy with the help of his hand picked almost all female jewish audience. It turned into a pecking party. But he stayed and endured it. Never was able to debate the subject though.
Smith makes a huge blunder in connecting the arabs with 9/11, the truth is there is no evidence whatsoever that supports that claim. While on the other hand there is ample evidence connecting israel to the attacks. Not suprising at all if you consider the number of false flag attacks carried out by Israel throughout history such as the attack on the USS liberty, lavon affair etc
bogus holocaust narrative should not be viewed as conspiracy but rather "nature of the beast" whenever the jewish money masters wish to dispossess another people of their land, wealth, natural resources and cultural heritage. The jews had positioned themselves to steal Palestine no matter which side would have won WW2 thru financial deals with both the Germans and the Allies. The holocaust fraud was simply the camouflage to hide the fact that the zionist jews were partners of the Third Reich.
What is wrong with asking questions and finding the truth? I want my children to learn from history books that tell the truth, not some fiction story based on propaganda from one political side or the other. It is sad that we need to question history but that is what history is about. I am waiting for the day we find out 2 + 2 = 5?
History should be an axiom of proof and provenance anything less their-story!
The Jews have something resembling the Subprime Mortgage Economy as the edifice that holds up their power structure. 1.) Holocaust... repeatedly say 6 million even though 6 million is no where to be found and the Jewish population increased after the war 2.) Anti-Semitic... anyone who is against the savage treatment of Palestinians or Financial scheming must be anti-semitic because they're allowed to do it due to the holocaust. Jews get special status, they claim to be both white and a minority.
I was hanging out with Santa Claus the other day, and he said there was no Holocaust, too! Man, those Jews are amazing: without access to CGI or Photoshop they were able to create films and photographs of huge piles of dead bodies, and even of people being shot. They were able to sucker huge numbers of people into remembering atrocities that simply didn't happen. If you look at the REAL videos, you can see Hitler feeding Filet Mignon to the Jews of Europe. Fascinating!
@jefffreemanpresents The confirmed death toll of the Holocaust is about 375,000 or so, and there are max about 1.6 million people that were not accounted for after the war that could also be fatalities.
Nobody is claiming atrocities and other bad shit didn't happen or that Hitler was Jesus incarnate and all Jews are devils, but there has never been any physical evidence of the mass gassing's and 6 million dead Jews and up to 3 mil non-Jews claims.
@Masta420 Actually, people are claiming things like atrocities and 'bad shit' didn't happen, and there are certainly people claiming that all Jews are devils. I think you have a lot more research to do.
@jefffreemanpresents No credible revisionist that I know of has ever claimed that no 'bad shit' happened, just that the alleged camps built purely for extermination such as Belzec, Triblinka and Sobibor were not death camps. Why have delousing facilities to protect the health of inmates if they were there solely to be exterminated?
Labor camps need their interns healthy, death camps don't. That millions of Jews and non-Jews were imprisoned and suffered is not disputed by credible revisionists.
@Masta420 There are mountains of evidence regarding the Holocaust including official Nazi documents, photographs, and a plethora of eyewitness accounts from both perpetrators and victims. I am not going to debate particulars with you, as the evidence is so ubiquitous. In fact, your question about delousing facilities can be answered by a number of sources that are so easily found by a "Google Search" that I won't even list them here.
@jshec28 there is no proof of the holocaust... just stories and crying lying jews. the red cross has proof. 270 000 dead from typhus. go sell your tories elsewhere. scum.
@zacharybaruch im stating the truth asswipe. red cross does not lie. 270 000 dead jews 99%+ from typhus. i am not a nazi. if calling me a nzi is your attempt to discredit my argument, then youre right in line with all the other jew scum. truth is out. deal with it.
nobody has ever shown proof that even 100,000 jewish deaths resulted from WW2. The jews are habitual liars and thieves who incessantly slander all non-jews with bogus accusations. Hitler defended Germany from the atheist-communist plague while the opportunistic Americans hitched their wagons to the murderous soviets.
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"The only known thing we knew about Hitler is that he killed 6 million jews who never existed in gas chambers which nobody ever saw." - jewish professor Roger Dommergue
Even in the dark ages, there was a saying like "Even the Devil shall be heard", and I think the professors of the academia should be vey ashamed of themself for not engaging in debating this question.
The True Israelites will eventually return back to their land, but those people that call themselves Jews will eventually be forced out so that the return of the true people of the Bible can begin.
To find out who those people in the land of Israel are just look up the author: Arthur Koestler's "The Thirteenth Tribe" & Andrew Carrington Hitchcock's "The Synagogue of Satan", and you'll be awakened to who these manipulators truly are.
"The Myth of the Six Million" by Harvard University phd David Hoggan unmasked how the jew-funded nations fabricated the "holocaust" to bury National Socialism and confiscate Palestine. Hoggan also unmasked how the jew-funded nations used the bogus "holocaust" to deflect attention away from their many extermination operations such as the Holodomor, Katyn forest, Cologne, Danzig, Bromberg, Dresden, Hamburg, Neu-stettin, Royan, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Soviet Gulag camps.
"I believe in one Holocaust®,conceived in Hollywood,born of the New York media: and in Six Million Judaics, who suffered under Adolf Hitler and were gassed, made into lampshades and cremated.In the 21st century they arose again,to haunt the living and the dead.I believe in Elie Wiesel and the geysers of blood,and Arnold Friedman and the color-coded crematory smoke,
the holy Shoah biz Church,the communist saints,no forgiveness of German sins,the resurrection of lies,and the shelf-life everlasting of the Auschwitz gas chamber stories.Amen."
@TheNonConformative Please tell us how the Jews twist the arms of all the historians in the world who know fully well that there was indeed a Holocaust.
@paolosilv By jailing all those historians, that point at there never having been an exterimination campaing, but a humanitarian, typhus and hunger inflcited catastrophy inflicted by allied bombing raids. Also the casualities are grossly overrated.
Read: "liberation of the camps" by O´Keefe, "factual appraisalby the red cross" and watch "onethirdofaholocaust".
That will open your eyes. you´ve been lied to since you couldnt even think.
Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau by Daniel Keren, Harry W. Mazal and Jamie McCarthy proves not only that the holes existed but shows where they are.
we live under the Jewish empire, the Jewish dictatorship. You could curse God, Christians, Muslims, Jesus and pretty much everything else but if you criticise the Jews, all hell breaks loose. That should give u a clue as to who really runs the world
You know I don't doubt that you believe what you believe and think you have evidence... I just don't think you realize how vast some sort of global take over would entail. Let alone how unpractical it would be. Plus jews aren't the problem, there are probably some jews who are assholes. Granted most of what is going on in the middle east is cause by a bunch of assholes who happen to be jewish. I can name you a whole bunch of white assholes too and black, and christian and buddhist.
Exhibit - A: Ernst Zundel was released from prison recently after seven years. What was his crime? He dared challenge the official story of the Jewish Holocaust. He was kidnapped from his home in U.S and was brought to Germany where he was imprisoned for thought crimes for seven fuckin years.
I didn't just wake up one day and believe this stuff.
We have a problem, and it is the hate speech law. I think Zundel has a right to say what he says. But arresting a man for hate speech does not add validity to the claims he made. Let alone prove it was somehow done by jews. And what about chomsky and finkelstein? Jews who are against israel. But you know what they don't do? PROMOTE HATRED.
haha hate speech? How is challenging the official story of the Holohoax hate speech? He didn't even break ANY law of the U.S or Canada. It doesn't add validity? it ABSOLUTELY does. They first tried to kill him by fire-bombing his house and had him kidnapped from his house in U.S. I wonder why they would do that.
Go back to ur ADL hole. Say hello to fatass Abe Foxman from me, will ya?
@oldjoe5 all I am doing has trying to remove this conspiratory allegation that somehow the jews are manipulating things. I am not for Israel. In fact I have gone to quite a few pro palestinian marches. And the idea that some how this man Zundel is arrested doesn't mean that things he said that landed him in jail are true. I agree the holocaust is over exploited.
@ymatmband . You don't see that something is wrong when there is one historical event in the west that you must agree with or risk jail? That should give one great pause in accepting the official story.
@oldjoe5 somethings are wrong, SOME, is Chomsky in jail? Finkelstien? Chris Hedges? some people are in jail for other reasons then their views... why would this conspiracy arrest a few people on the fringe when people like chomsky and finkelstien and hedges write books and are free to do it?
@ymatmband . Huh? What is your argument? That there aren't people in jail for criticizing the Holocaust narrative? You'd be wrong.
Chomsky and Fink have never challenged the official Holocaust story; they have criticized Israeli policies. Fink has lost eery job he ever had oer this. You will never see either one giving his ideas in the mass media
@oldjoe5 SOME are ... I am saying you are being selective. As for THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE ... what do you consider it to be? YES a lot of jews died, and were systematically done so by the Nazis ... It's not as bad as say what Pol Pot did to the cambodians, but it was pretty bad, and it should be REMEMBERED as such. Why is denying that it happened a good thing? CHALLENGING the narrative is important. Because of israel's exploitation of it, but to say it never happened your an idiot.
@ymatmband . What I am saying that certain aspects of the Holocaust official story should certainly be questioned and that one should not be jailed for doing so. And people have been jailed for doing just that.
@oldjoe5 I don't think they were jailed for their SPECIFIC criticism. If so, A LOT of people would be in jail. Almost every leftist university professor would be in jail right now. Isn't it possible, that the people who are arrested say some things that areirresponsible? Now I am not arguing they should be arrested, I am against hate speech laws. But the fact that those laws exist add clout to those who arrest people.
@ymatmband "Isn't it possible, that the people who are arrested say some things that areirresponsible" How can disagreeing wth the official narrative of events that took place thousands of miles away over 65 years ago be irresponsible?
@oldjoe5 what I consider irresponsible is saying things like Jews are evil, and we need to defeat jews, or ... being neo-nazis, or affiliated with them. And I don't know if you know anything about Canada... but there aren't that many jews in power. And the Human Rights Commission that tried Zundell has arested christians for speaking hate on homosexuals, does that mean that the HRC is controlled by Gay Jews?
@oldjoe5 Zundell was promoting hatred in canada. Plain and simple. We have an HRC. Thats life. It has nothing to do with jews. I am not saying it's RIGHT but it is what happens. Give me more examples of people being arrested because and ONLY because they question the holocaust and maybe I will find ways to smack down those ideas too.
@oldjoe5 well it had something to do with jews, namely hatred towards them. That was the hate he promoted. Also about no photo's of jews being gassed, you have a fundamental misrepresentation of history. Do you also deny the theory of evolution? What about big bang cosmology? History isn't truthful based on photographic evidence.
In other words, you have no idea what Zundel did. All he did was question the official narrative of the Holocaust in writing. Which, if we want an open society and the best way to get to the truth, is what should happen.
By the way, you are aware I hope that there is not one single picture of one single jews being gassed in WWII?
@oldjoe5 Zundel was a neo-nazi. AGAIN, I have my own disagreements with hate speech law. MY WHOLE POINT, is that his being arrested is not an issue with a jewish conspiracy, is not the result from ANYTHING to do with the actual ACT of being skeptical on the holocaust. You should read Michael Shermer's book on history deniers. Do you believe in Jesus? Socrates? Shakespeare? Saying there are no pictures, is IRRELEVANT.
@ymatmband . You have zero details on why he was arrested yet feel you can make the comment "is not the result from ANYTHING to do with the actual ACT of being skeptical on the holocaust", a comment that, by the way is as false as any comment can be. That is precisely why he was jailed. Why would you have an opinion and way in on this when you have none of the facts? At least look into it.
@oldjoe5 the detail was he was in a hate group.. that is the fact... he was a neo-nazi, ok? Neo-nazi's promote hate... Canada has a law against that... ok? tell me where the jews come in? Di they work as a complete group ... THE JEWS... was there a group of individuals that ... HAPPENED TO BE JEWISH...
@ymatmband First off Zundel was acquitted in both trials in the 1980's. He was deported from Canada under the provisions of the Canadian Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, indicating that he was a threat to Canada's national security, because of pressure from the Canadian Jewish Congress the main lobby group for Jews in Canada. Second, there are no pictures of Jesus, Socrates,Shakeseare, but you won't be thrown in jail for dening their existence.
There is a difference between denying somethings existence. Which is fine. But then there is another thing in inciting violence towards other people. Do you think Zundel has a favourable opinion of the jews? I am pretty sure he is fighting them. I fight the state of israel. I have been in many palestinian freedom rallies. I can be against a country. But I don't argue for violence against any jew.I like a lot of Jews. Like Finkelstien. Who has more accurate things to say then zundel
@ymatmband There was absolutely no basis for the “security threat” charge( trying to ‘destroy the multicultural fabric and underpinnings of Canadian society '.)During the 40 years he lived in Canada, he was never convicted of a crime. In fact, He survived at least three attempts on his life, including a devastating arson, and pipe bomb attack against his residence. Most importantly he never once was found to have violated the hate crime laws or of counselling, aiding, or abetting any crime.
What are you arguing for? Some conspiracy? "jews taking over the world". I don't think he is a security threat. I don't think every jew does nice things. There idiots everywhere. I don't like Zundel because he is an idiot. He probably is a threat because he spreads idiocy like the fact that the nazis had UFO technology. that doesn't mean I think he should have been arrested. Just like I don't think you should be. If you want Jewish criticism pick a better source. ie. Finkelstein
@ymatmband I guess what I am arguing for is that truth,and facts should never be considered racist or hate speech. If it turns out that there were no gas chambers or systematic Genocide,this is no attack upon the concentration camp victims or survivors. No rational person will deny the existence of the camps or the atrocities committed in them, but the guilt should die with the guilty. Why saddle generations of Germans with shame,and a financial burden for something they had nothing to do with.
Are they saddled with shame? that would be a hard thing to quantify. Financially burdened? I think the German nation is fairly well off economically at least on par with most EU nations. Of course I have not studied German economic trends. But furthermore... what is the point of questioning what may or may not have been the details in the nazis persecution of jews? I think questioning the ramifications of what occured is important? But why DENY the gas chambers? whats the purpose?
@ymatmband The denial of the gas chambers comes up simply because there is no evidence....we are told to take it on faith. NO gas chambers would = NO HOLOCAUST and no holocaust = NO STATE OF ISRAEL. And seeing as Israel will probably trigger WW3....well,thats why it matters!
What do you take as a standard of truth? There is evidence enough for me to suppose that socrates (the philosopher) existed. It's called convergent evidence... the same evidence that scientists use for evolution, and physics. There is convergent evidence that the holocaust occured. NOW! the point is. Should israel use it to promote the killing of palestinians? NO! Again I will redirect you to listen to FINKELSTEIN, if you want truth and not crap from UFO conspiracy theorists.
@ymatmband A standard of truth is provable evidence.....not eye witness accounts and hear say! The socrates argument doesnt relate,his philosophy who ever wrote it exists! Evolution and physics are provable as we have a fossil record and physics is provable through reptition. Is there a belief possibly through propaganda that the holocaust happened..yes....proof ,no. Jews from the camps lied about there being a gas chamber in dakkar,human soap and human lamp shades...continued
Define provable. I am glad you brought up evolution, because creationists attack it all the time, "missing gaps" and all that jazz. That is exactly what you are doing. Say this Jew lied! The russians did this! No gas chambers at Dakkar! MISSING LINKS! Have you ever read a Hitler speech? Watched a Nazi film? There is going to be disagreements on detail everywhere... even in evolutionary theory. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Not on provable evidence but convergent.
Favorable opinion for people who have persecuted you all your life and have ruined you because you publish things they don't like? Beside they burned his house...
At his place I wouldn't have a very good opinion of those people too. Which right do they allow themselves to persecute people like that? Do they want to control all people's minds?
@ZuluKika How do you jump from some jews burned a house to they want to control ALL minds. You think you are right and you are advocating for a position. How do you know that your position (holocaust denial) was not imposed by some form of mind control. The fact is the Nazi's were explicit in their hatred for the jews. Deaths occured because of this. And yet despite this you advocate what, that it was the jews that made it up? Zionism and Denialism are the same. Both are irrational and stupid.
@lynchie3000 Even, if that were true. Which I don't have the time this second to fact check, why does that matter? Are you saying jews are responsible for the holocaust? Or are you saying it never existed, it was a jewish conspiracy to get people in power who were anti semetic to make it seem like they were killing jews in order to allow for the zionist take over of arab land? Furthermore I don't agree with zionism. And I don't defend people based on their faith, I am an atheist.
@ymatmband I'm also an atheist, but that's irrelevant.
"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semities as liquidators of property... The anti-Semities will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies."
- The Complete Diaries of Theodor "Father of Zionism" Herzl Vol 1 p.83/4
"It is not our task to establish in Palestine a home for selected people, not even a state for a small portion of our people. The aim of our efforts is to organize a systematic massive Jewish evacuation from all the countries in which they live."
@lynchie3000 That is a nice quote, but what is the context? Vladimir Zhabotinsky in 1936, when the quote above was written was concerned about the wellfare of the jewish people. Notice the first half of that quote. Zhabotinsky was for working with the palestinians. What are you trying to argue by showing me that quote? and what do you think that quote proves?
If Russian Jew Ilya Ehrenburg sent Russian Jew Vasily Grossman to the US with bars of "human soap" to tour the country spreading news of German fiendishness, and then these very two same Russian Jews then write the Black Book of Russian Jewry, in which they state Germans electrocuted, steamed, and gassed millions of Jews. I believe anyone is entitled to look sceptically upon anything they claimed about the Germans.
@lynchie3000 They wrote about the soap idea in their book the black book. If I were to write in a book, that George Bush was never president and that on September 11th 2001 the twin towers fell , and in 100 years somebody reads my writing, what should they take from that? Would they see my error and conclude that the whole of history is wrong? or would they like most scholars see the mistake for what it is and see if the rest of what I wrote converged with other sources?
So here is the main point. You throw all these quotes at me, you list people who may have lied. Might I ask, did all the Germans lie who came forward about the executions? Did all the Jews lie who were imprisoned? Furthermore where did all the jews who die go, if they didn't die? Was all the rhetoric by the Nazi party mere show boating? Frankly most of history converges on one answer, a program of extermination organized by the Nazi party against the jewish people.
@ymatmband Shermer's "convergence of evidence" bs ??? The "convergence of evidence" that the Nazis made soap from Jews is as strong, if not stronger, as "the convergence of evidence" they gassed them.
The soap nonsense was a WW1 atrocity lie (corpse factory), along with cutting off children's hands, and crucifying Canadians. The British Foreign Secretary Austen Chamberlain apologise to Germany for it in Parliament on Dec 2, 1925, "this false report will not again be revived" - he lied
@lynchie3000 Oh I get it, you need to use ad hominen's to attack a persons view point rather then appreciating what they say and disect it. I still want to know, if the holocaust is a lie, and there were no gas chambers, how do you explain the number of people who came forward about the extermination policy who didn't have too? If in history one person says something, and then someone else says the opposite, how do you choose who was historically correct?
"ad hominen's" Nice, a spelling error and a grammatical error, in just one word.
Such as who? Regina Bialek, Sophia Litwinska? You should read their sad tales from Auschwitz. Both provided an affidavit for the 1945 Belsen Trial. Both were literally tipped into the gas chamber by a tipper-lorry, both were a little bit gassed with cyanide, both were rescued from the gas chamber before the cyanide killed them.
@lynchie3000 It's funny because I agree with you, I think israel uses the holocaust for their benifit. I also think people exploited the holocaust for personal gain. What does that have to do with the validity of the holocaust?
"The Christian world, and I include England, of course, in the Christian world, suffered six million of the people of Jesus of Nazareth to die in a most horrible manner. The Christian world owes the Jews some reparation" - Said rabbi Stephen "über-Zionist" Wise, in May 1945. 6 months before Nuremberg trial began, he knew 6m were dead, & he blamed the Brits for it.
@lynchie3000 "All your losses will be made up to you in the resurrection, provided you continue faithful. By the vision of the Almighty I have seen it."
-Joseph Smith,
Now you have said your an atheist so I would assume you think that Joseph smith is lying, or had visions but they were halucinatory or whatever , and this is just plain babble nonsense. But how do we know this? KNOW being the key word here.
@lynchie3000 My point if you would please acknowledge it, is how do we determine the validity of what someone says in an historical context? By what standards do we use? By what methods do try to subject our ideas to those standards. You can't just give me a quote, like the quote I gave of Joseph Smith and thus automatically assume it's validity. I agree some of what we have been told about the holocaust is bull, but thats history. We need an objective standard to asses it.
Quoting all these people really tells me nothing. I have read enough to know what a lot of people think happened, claimed to have happened, and said they witnessed. What is more important is, Physical evidence, for which there is an overwhelming amount. And convergence in testimonies, what this convergence is supposed to do is weed out individual eye witness bias. So for example your rabbi zionist who clearly has a particular aim.
@lynchie3000 So, I just went to the USHMM website... and guess what! They believe that there is evidence for gassing! which means... that I am not winging it ! And you want to marginalize my voice by claiming that I am for one a child, and two don't know anything about this subject. When in fact I am not a child and study the philosophy of science, which by the way you have refused to acknowledge any of my points.
C'mon. The main propaganda mouthpiece of the multi-trillion dollar industry, says they've evidence, and you just accept their say so? That's not very scientific is it?
Perhaps you should read the trial transcripts of the Zundel or Irving trial. Holocaust historians point-blank refuse to debate Revisionists, therefore the only time the Holocaust opponents meet is in court, and that's where you learn about the real evidence, and not from the USHMM website.
@lynchie3000 You told me, that they say they don't have it. I searched and it says they do. Which means that when you said they say they don't they really think that they do. Whether or not they do or not is a whole other story. Which reminds me of how crazy you have to argue in circles to prove the holocaust was a hoax.
IBM punch cards, Nazi speeches, the evidence at particular camps, the video footage of Nazi atrocities... Why do these not count as evidence FOR an extermination policy?
It's called science. Whether you think it's attributed to Shermer or Einstien, it's the only thing that works. The reason why the soap idea was PROVEN wrong is there was no evidence for it. But, you know what there was evidence for? Gas chambers. Why would they drop the soap idea if they were going to keep the hoax of the holocaust alive? gas chambers and soap would have been great for their conspiracy. There was no conspiracy. 9/11 wasn't an inside job. And there was no second shooter.
It's now claimed, the Nazis only made soap on an experimental basis at the Danzig institute, unfortunately the soap myth hasn't been completely dropped. Some historians (inc Antony Beevor *of all people* still claims it was true) Berlin: The Downfall (2002) p.94)
Just one shooter eh? Pity you weren't on the US House Select Committee on Assassinations "Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that at least two gunmen fired"
@lynchie3000 Well of course you would think that there is a second shooter! And yea it is possible there might have been some experimentation for human soap. But thats not the point. You are extending from a few minor disagreements and contentious issues and then choosing an answer, which I assume fits your preconceived notions of how the world works. Does disagreements in cosmology prove that the big bang is a hoax?
@lynchie3000 What about evolution and the debate between gradation and punctuated equilibrium, does this scholarly debate prove that evolution never happened? How do you measure truth? There has to be some way to reliably reach conclusions. How do you personally go about doing that? I mean at the end of the day how do you know what Hitler, napolean, shermer, and all the people you quoted did are true and accurate? what about the bible? how do we test these claims?
@ymatmband "How do you measure truth?" you ask. Well, in my book; you don't. It's fact or fiction.
"For the scientific historian a witness statement does not represent real history. It is an object of history. A witness statement counts for little, many witnesses' statements count for no more, if there is no solid document to support them. One could say without much exaggeration, the principle of scientific historiography is, No paper(s), no proven facts."
@lynchie3000 i didn't say measure, I said DETERMINE. How do you determine that something is false? But to say something is either fact or fiction is also horribly misleading. Were you there? Did you witness the events of the holocaust or the non event of the holocaust? No, you are relying on after the fact infomration, which means any finding you find afterwards has a probability of being the truth. In actuality it happened or not but you have no way of determining it with 100% accuracy.
No, you said " How do you measure truth?" - see your own post.
The Nazis never gassed Jews or had a plan to kill all Jews.
Why?
Because the evidence for it, is the say so of proven liars and tortured Germans, and a few Nazis documents which we're told hide euphemisms for genocide.
@lynchie3000 Not everyone who mentions the extermination policy has been a proven liar. Secondly the Nazi documents didn't hide the extermination policy. For one the IBM punch card system was very explicit on what to do with people. Or was that a cover up to? Or how about the video footage of Nazis killing jews? made up? How do we know bradley smith is not a liar? how do you prove honesty? HOW DO YOU MEASURE IT in a scientific sense.
You clearly don't own a copy of Black's IBM and the Holocaust.
"For one the IBM punch card system was very explicit on what to do with people." - That's just a laughable lie
"Nazi documents didn't hide the extermination policy." - That's just a laughable lie
If a Jew (Regina Bialek) claims she was tipped into a gas chamber with truck access, and then the gassing producer began, she turned a little blue, but was rescued on the orders of Dr. Mengele. We can measure that as 100% BS
@lynchie3000 So we are all liars? Why are we liars and you know the truth. You haven't given me this PROOF of lyingness. You can't just state someone is full of shit you need to prove it. Frankly having a punch card system with explicit button on it, is ... well... HARD PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. So. Do tell me, since you think you are so right in your assertions why is that evidence a lie? and PROVE it instead of quoting things which have nothing to do with the punch card system.
1st off, actually read IBM and the Holocaust, I've a copy right here.
The Nazis using the Hollrith system is not evidence that they:
A. Planned to kill all the Jews
b. Gassed Jews
2ndly, Bialek's claimed "the lorry was able to run down the slope and straight into the chamber. Here we were tipped unceremoniously on the floor." - Nobody now claims trucks drove into gas chambers. She lied.
@lynchie3000 have you ever heard of confirmation bias? Have you ever searched for information that would disprove your hypothesis? Do you only allow information that fits your hypothesis? Do you have any falsification criteria? Do you have any physical evidence which might lend support for your hypothesis (quotes not included)? Why is it that most scholars (even if they are against israeli policy) believe the holocaust had happened? Are they all in on it? How do you know?
You need to have some sort of reliable method to determine the truth and falsity of these claims, but in between will be some gray area however things should converge. You should watch David Deutsch (yes a jew!) on ted .com in his video on explanation and you might learn something about what makes a good and a bad explanation. Your explanations fall under the bad category and I recomend you learn why that is in order to live a more less paranoid and fullfilling life.
You want to falsify the holocaust hypothesis, how bout finding those 5 million jews, the records of their existence after the holocaust. Here is a better quote, by a better man, "Be open minded, but not so open your brain falls out" - Carl Sagan ( Demon Haunted World: Science as a candle in the dark)
"5 million" Are you some sort of Holocaust Denier or something?
How do you supposed the Jews knew 2 months before Auschwitz was liberated, 6m before Germany surrendered, that 6 million Jews had been done in (Palestine Post Nov 28, 1944)?
They promised to build a monument on Mount Scopus (The Canberra Times - Sept 6, 1945) "it will bear the names of all the 6,000,000" - but here we are in 2011, any they've only compiled half that number (The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names).
@lynchie3000 5 million or more is a a more accurate representation of the number killed then saying 6 million which probably over states it by a few thousand. Over 60 million people were killed in WWII ... why don't they have an exact figure? It's not an easy thing to figure out. Estimates were already coming out in 1944 of the number of jews killed. They could have been wrong in the 6 million figure but they were pretty close.
@lynchie3000 What I do defend is history as a scientific endeavour. And Bradley Smith is not a scientist. He is at best easily misinterpretive or at worst intentionally manipulative of historical facts. Either way he does not comprehend the scientific way of coming to understand historical facts. Which is based on a convergance of evidence, not on a few facts. Nazis never made Jew soap, but if a jew says they did, it doesn't mean that he was wrong about gas chambers.
@oldjoe5 There was a case with a BIshop Henry ... in Alberta? I believe it was dropped but it was in the news for some time... then there is ezra levant... He also was not jailed but has been tried several times. Ann Coulter recently has had a problem with the HRC. But her statements were against muslims. But shes ok cause shes american.
@oldjoe5 recently somebody spray painted a nazi sign on a war memorial in Canada... now why would that be? There is a way to express your opinion without being an asshole... some people tend to cross that line, Zundel was one of them. There is a difference between expressing your opinion that you are skeptical about elements that occured during the second world war and another to say the jews are evil. One is hateful... the other isn't.
@oldjoe5 I am from Canada, we have a hate speech law. There are plenty who get charged under this law because of their views against homosexuality. I feel they have a right to express their opinion, but when they say things like, "We need to stop homosexuals by all means necessary." They are going to get charged, or arrested. Thats not to say these laws should or should not exist, but the fact that they do, allows for people to be arrested based on SUGGESTIVE language.
@oldjoe5 wow... didn't even realize this zundel guy WAS arrested in Canada. Well, Canada has a lot to offer, but free speech isn't one of them. As for blaming a jewish conspiracy or his arrest, I'm afraid the culprit is the shitty Canadian government. So give me a few years, maybe my voting will change things.... bahahahahahaha ...
"we live under the Jewish empire, the Jewish dictatorship. You could curse God, Christians, Muslims, Jesus and pretty much everything else but if you criticise the Jews, all hell breaks loose".
Germans put their dissidents into camps during WW2 to protect their war effort from terrorism just like America did with their japanese citizens. The WW2 victors made up all of the slanderous lies about "gas chambers", "death camps" and "6 million corpses of jews". Perhaps not even 100,00 jews died during WW2.
"The only known thing we knew about Hitler is that he killed 6 million jews who never existed in gas chambers which nobody ever saw." - jewish professor R. Dommergue
I've heard this argument come up recently.. but your ignoring the differences in a very callous way.
The Japanese were not tattooed with numbers, and the design for these camps didn't include multiple crematoria. What the f-kind of camp design includes multiple crematoria? Please, before posting such a comparison think about what your saying. 70K Jews were sent from France.. and never came back.. and no records of where they might have gone can be found. They went up in smoke.
There's no taboo against criticizing Israeli occupation of Palestine in the US. And you can criticize it without denying patently obvious facts such as the holocaust, which have been photographed and documented. A moron.
Very good interview of Bradley Smith. He's exactly right, too. Except for the 9/11 Inside Job.
joe80dman 1 month ago
@AbsentAnyProof Yeah and that was way back in history, imagine how many years it would take now?
SouthernCross33 1 month ago
This interveiwer is a jew, does he state that at any point?
SouthernCross33 1 month ago
For those who think the Holocaust happened, lets do some math.
6 million died they say in gas chambers and were burned in crematoriums right?
Fact: 1 pound of flesh = 1 cubic inch of ash.
If the average person’s weight was 125 lbs x 6 million = 750,000,000 cubic inches which = 62,500,000 cubic feet of ash. (not including the ash from the furnaces) and it would take 68 years to accomplish with the technology of the day.
Question: How could that be done in 4.5 years and where is all that ash?
ta2dave 3 months ago
@ta2dave Not to mention that the Germans were meticulous record keepers and ppl like Zundel etc who have dedicated their life to finding the truth about the holohoax, have found that it was not even feasable by the amount of coal etc used by the Germans to dispose of the dead, could come anywhere near the 6 million #. More of our ppl died in the 2nd WW than the jews but we don't ever seem to mention that fact. Anyway you are right the holocau$t didn't happen it's a total lie
SouthernCross33 1 month ago
@ta2dave Unbelievably wrong. A cubic foot is 1728 cubic inches (12 x 12 x 12) not 12 cubic inches, you nimrod. And, no, all six million were not killed in gas chambers and crematoria. Millions were also killed in more conventional and far less "efficient" fashion. So, since you were off by a factor of 144, let's take your idiotic math and divide 68 years by 144: .472, or a little less than 6 months. Hmmmmmm.
bman342a 3 weeks ago
NEW Holohoax debunking documentary - The Last Days of the Big Lie youtube.com/watch?v=NyMVWVBmGVo
erichuntvideo 3 months ago
LOL Nice misquote
"But the fourth death code was in fact a secret one. F-6 stood for SB, Sonderbehandlung or "Special Treatment." Any punishment coded F-6 was in fact an order for extermination, either by gas chamber or bullet."
IBM & The Holocaust, p.365
Black's source for this = Josef Kramer. A Nazi who long into his trial denied any gassings at Auschwitz. But then all of the sudden remembered there were gassings. It had nothing to do with him being tortured or his family threatened of course.
lynchie3000 6 months ago
Jewish folks did not seem to have anything to do with creating the Myth of Gas Chambers etc. When the Allies discovered the full horror of their Air Raids on Germany, (Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin, Frankfurt, etc) they needed some big fantastic story to divert peoples attention away from the mass graves and hundreds of thousands of crippled people. And whadya know! they found Gas Chambers! The 24/7 Brainwashing with T.V. after the war finished the Black Propaganda Job against Germany.
John1576able 7 months ago
Finally I knew the right version of the history. Thanks
amirsamara 8 months ago
put cyanide in a room and test with sensors the amount of gas vapors given off and show more proof along with Fred Luechter that the shower rooms were used for showers and the delousing chambers were used to kill lice.
tubeyou9878 10 months ago
@NavajoIsUnstoppable You are right. We ARE in it. Big difference.
ymatmband 10 months ago
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell, 1903-1950
wroughtwithfraud 11 months ago
Yet jews were telling long stories about these things being true and how they saw it with their own eyes,even though it is now accepted that those things never happened. Those lies just throw doubt over the whole thing!
1THETRUTH10 11 months ago
@1THETRUTH10
A few lies throw doubt on the whole theory? Did you hear about the climate letter scandals recently? These scientists were fudging the data on climate change and climate denialists were going LOOK SEE!? THEY ARE LYING!??! GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT HAPPENING!!! ... When in fact it is. We are in a global warming trend caused by human C02 emmissions and Animal production releasing methane. But by your logic a few liars means it's all made up.
ymatmband 11 months ago
@ymatmband
Problem is that physical evidence for the Holocaust AND Global Warming is non-existent. Take away the eye witness testimony (that is now illegal to question or investigate in some countries) and fudged data (the raw temperature data has been thrown away, all we have left is the "corrected" temperature data) and there is nothing left. People died in the camps, but the official story is false. The climate may be changing, but not the way we are told by government "Climatologists".
JCGMich29 10 months ago 2
@JCGMich29
Which authorities do you trust?
ymatmband 10 months ago
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Laila6990 1 year ago
Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union. If no one was gassed regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin, then there was no Genocide and 'reparations' were based on fraud. That's why It's important to question what happend.
Laila6990 1 year ago
In 1990 The Polish Government lowered the Auschwitz death totals from 4 million to 1.5 million, are they dening the deaths of 2.5 million victims? Yet if Zundel or anybody else says this they are automatically called a "Holocaust denier" and in his case thrown in jail for 7 years.Why were "eyewitness accounts" concerning the extermination camps in Germany disproven, while the "proofs," "certainties," and "eyewitness accounts" concerning the extermination camps in Poland still claim to be true?
Laila6990 1 year ago
Nobelman1000: where in anything I wrote did I attribute a damned thing to the Palestinians? Come up with a new argument, please.And, yes, I have a right to believe whatever I want. Normally I choose to believe things that, say, ACTUALLY HAPPENED, with REAMS AND REAMS of HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. How's that?
And your straw man about the Palestinians: They have been unfairly treated, that is true. I do not condonde their treatment at the hands of Israelis. Nor do I engage in moral equivalency.
TheWallybackman 1 year ago
Incorrect. Israel was conceived and deemed after WWI based on Existing Jewish population.
Try the Faisal Weizman agreement of 1919
abuafak 1 year ago
@abuafak it still was not an official country with official borders until 1948
hellojulie 1 year ago
All of you clowns out there denying the Holocaust, questioning the numbers who were slaughtered: Don't you MORONs realize that the numbers come from records of the GERMANS themselves as to how many they shot and gassed? I challenge you vicious liars to take a look at any photo of any CHILD slaughtered in a Nazi death camp (these photos exist in the hundreds) and maintain your silly charade of denial. Your denial burns the memory of these children, and saps you of any claim on humanity.
TheWallybackman 1 year ago
@TheWallybackman it is ur right to believe in what u believe, but what the palestinians have ever done to cuase all of that sufering that u believe has happend ?
NobelMan1000 1 year ago
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Laila6990 1 year ago
You are free to say whatever you want just as long as it does not conflict with any of the many Jewish agendas. That is the true state of freedom of speech in the west.
MegaFlatEarth 1 year ago
The Holocaust, "after it was institutionalized". what is that supposed to mean exactly, you deranged moron? Institutionalized by the nazi savages who marched 1.5 million CHILDREN into gas chambers, you lunatic piece of garbage?
Holocaust deniers are useful. As soon as they open their mouths, you realize they are absurd clowns and can simply ignore them.
TheWallybackman 1 year ago
@TheWallybackman
Dude that 6 million number goes back to WW1 when Jews claimed that the Czar was persecuting 6 million Jews... Anyone in the know see's through whole "6" numerology deal... The state of Israel is even represented by a 6 pointed star that has jack shit to do with King David. Wanna feel sad about something? Feel bad for American Blacks who's ancestors were enslaved for over 400 years. Many millions died as a direct result of the trade.
lighthammer2531 1 year ago
the 1969 book "Myth of the Six Million" by Harvard PhD David Hoggan unmasked how the "holocaust" was fabricated to bury Nazism and popularize the military takeover of Germany. The "holocaust" fraud was subsequently used to steal Palestine and deflect scrutiny away from the numerous extermination operations carried out by the jew-funded nations such as the Holodomor, Katyn forest, Bromberg, Danzig, Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne, Royan, Berlin, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Gulag death camps.
ThePromiseOfPie 1 year ago
Well one thing about this guy , he is standing on what he believes. When he went on the Phil Donahue show to debate the existence or non existence of the alledged gas chambers, Phil , the "impartial" talk show host side steped the issue that he wasn't smart enough to debate and unleashed his anti-semite routine on the guy with the help of his hand picked almost all female jewish audience. It turned into a pecking party. But he stayed and endured it. Never was able to debate the subject though.
296475 1 year ago
Smith makes a huge blunder in connecting the arabs with 9/11, the truth is there is no evidence whatsoever that supports that claim. While on the other hand there is ample evidence connecting israel to the attacks. Not suprising at all if you consider the number of false flag attacks carried out by Israel throughout history such as the attack on the USS liberty, lavon affair etc
M0rbidlyObese 1 year ago
bogus holocaust narrative should not be viewed as conspiracy but rather "nature of the beast" whenever the jewish money masters wish to dispossess another people of their land, wealth, natural resources and cultural heritage. The jews had positioned themselves to steal Palestine no matter which side would have won WW2 thru financial deals with both the Germans and the Allies. The holocaust fraud was simply the camouflage to hide the fact that the zionist jews were partners of the Third Reich.
ThePromiseOfPie 1 year ago
What is wrong with asking questions and finding the truth? I want my children to learn from history books that tell the truth, not some fiction story based on propaganda from one political side or the other. It is sad that we need to question history but that is what history is about. I am waiting for the day we find out 2 + 2 = 5?
History should be an axiom of proof and provenance anything less their-story!
mattersofsize 1 year ago
The jews are more trouble than they're worth!
Tuphut 1 year ago
The Jews have something resembling the Subprime Mortgage Economy as the edifice that holds up their power structure. 1.) Holocaust... repeatedly say 6 million even though 6 million is no where to be found and the Jewish population increased after the war 2.) Anti-Semitic... anyone who is against the savage treatment of Palestinians or Financial scheming must be anti-semitic because they're allowed to do it due to the holocaust. Jews get special status, they claim to be both white and a minority.
theone1087 1 year ago
I was hanging out with Santa Claus the other day, and he said there was no Holocaust, too! Man, those Jews are amazing: without access to CGI or Photoshop they were able to create films and photographs of huge piles of dead bodies, and even of people being shot. They were able to sucker huge numbers of people into remembering atrocities that simply didn't happen. If you look at the REAL videos, you can see Hitler feeding Filet Mignon to the Jews of Europe. Fascinating!
jefffreemanpresents 1 year ago
@jefffreemanpresents The confirmed death toll of the Holocaust is about 375,000 or so, and there are max about 1.6 million people that were not accounted for after the war that could also be fatalities.
Nobody is claiming atrocities and other bad shit didn't happen or that Hitler was Jesus incarnate and all Jews are devils, but there has never been any physical evidence of the mass gassing's and 6 million dead Jews and up to 3 mil non-Jews claims.
Inventing millions of victims is a big lie.
Masta420 1 year ago
@Masta420 Actually, people are claiming things like atrocities and 'bad shit' didn't happen, and there are certainly people claiming that all Jews are devils. I think you have a lot more research to do.
jefffreemanpresents 1 year ago
@jefffreemanpresents No credible revisionist that I know of has ever claimed that no 'bad shit' happened, just that the alleged camps built purely for extermination such as Belzec, Triblinka and Sobibor were not death camps. Why have delousing facilities to protect the health of inmates if they were there solely to be exterminated?
Labor camps need their interns healthy, death camps don't. That millions of Jews and non-Jews were imprisoned and suffered is not disputed by credible revisionists.
Masta420 1 year ago
@Masta420 There are mountains of evidence regarding the Holocaust including official Nazi documents, photographs, and a plethora of eyewitness accounts from both perpetrators and victims. I am not going to debate particulars with you, as the evidence is so ubiquitous. In fact, your question about delousing facilities can be answered by a number of sources that are so easily found by a "Google Search" that I won't even list them here.
jefffreemanpresents 1 year ago
@jefffreemanpresents great argument! now, how about some proof?
run4a69 1 year ago
@run4a69 he just listed proof dumbass, go look it up.
jshec28 1 year ago
@jshec28 there is no proof of the holocaust... just stories and crying lying jews. the red cross has proof. 270 000 dead from typhus. go sell your tories elsewhere. scum.
run4a69 1 year ago
@run4a69 what the fuck are you saying
u nazi bitch
zacharybaruch 1 year ago
@zacharybaruch im stating the truth asswipe. red cross does not lie. 270 000 dead jews 99%+ from typhus. i am not a nazi. if calling me a nzi is your attempt to discredit my argument, then youre right in line with all the other jew scum. truth is out. deal with it.
run4a69 1 year ago
nobody has ever shown proof that even 100,000 jewish deaths resulted from WW2. The jews are habitual liars and thieves who incessantly slander all non-jews with bogus accusations. Hitler defended Germany from the atheist-communist plague while the opportunistic Americans hitched their wagons to the murderous soviets.
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"The only known thing we knew about Hitler is that he killed 6 million jews who never existed in gas chambers which nobody ever saw." - jewish professor Roger Dommergue
MaxSpaTemp103 1 year ago
Smith denies the gas chambers but believes that Arabs did 9/11 because the U.S. supports Israel! What a clown. Talk about "The Last Taboo"!
ccd101 1 year ago
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Goatsemen 1 year ago
@ccd101 Yeah, how irrationally idiodic
Goatsemen 1 year ago
Even in the dark ages, there was a saying like "Even the Devil shall be heard", and I think the professors of the academia should be vey ashamed of themself for not engaging in debating this question.
besakamel 1 year ago
I never heard of this man before. Commendations to him for speaking out . I hope more Americans start to get real.
ANTIDALLARD 1 year ago 2
The True Israelites will eventually return back to their land, but those people that call themselves Jews will eventually be forced out so that the return of the true people of the Bible can begin.
To find out who those people in the land of Israel are just look up the author: Arthur Koestler's "The Thirteenth Tribe" & Andrew Carrington Hitchcock's "The Synagogue of Satan", and you'll be awakened to who these manipulators truly are.
1Ephraimite 1 year ago
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"The Myth of the Six Million" by Harvard University phd David Hoggan unmasked how the jew-funded nations fabricated the "holocaust" to bury National Socialism and confiscate Palestine. Hoggan also unmasked how the jew-funded nations used the bogus "holocaust" to deflect attention away from their many extermination operations such as the Holodomor, Katyn forest, Cologne, Danzig, Bromberg, Dresden, Hamburg, Neu-stettin, Royan, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Soviet Gulag camps.
AndYourMomIsBoDerek 1 year ago
Zundel, Cole and Rudolf are not historians.
paolosilv 1 year ago
The Nazis did not let anyone photograph the murder process of gassing
paolosilv 1 year ago
What is your source for this priceless historical knowledge?
paolosilv 1 year ago
"I believe in one Holocaust®,conceived in Hollywood,born of the New York media: and in Six Million Judaics, who suffered under Adolf Hitler and were gassed, made into lampshades and cremated.In the 21st century they arose again,to haunt the living and the dead.I believe in Elie Wiesel and the geysers of blood,and Arnold Friedman and the color-coded crematory smoke,
TheNonConformative 1 year ago
the holy Shoah biz Church,the communist saints,no forgiveness of German sins,the resurrection of lies,and the shelf-life everlasting of the Auschwitz gas chamber stories.Amen."
THE APOSTATE’S CREED, by Michael Hoffman
TheNonConformative 1 year ago
LOL! Way to go, bradley.
If you haven't a crumb of evidence - bring in the terrorist threats!
timpovikings 1 year ago
Bradley Smith is a smart man... The guy he is talking with pisses me off though..
BlakByte 1 year ago
@BlakByte
He's not as bad as Phil Donahue in his Interview, clearly a very biased and manipulative host, watch the interview with David cole and Bradley Smith
adnanramuk 1 year ago
@BlakByte
For more videos with Bradley Smith go to his channel search for Coffee with Bradley Smith, there are twenty two videos made by him and his camera guy
sonicolabs 1 year ago
@BlakByte You can see more Videos from Bradley, look for Coffee with Bradley Smith...goodluck!
sonicolabs 1 year ago
This man speaks the truth.
jahaja666 1 year ago
Stop lying about Jews and the Holocaust.
paolosilv 1 year ago
@paolosilv lying, jews, holocaust.
you almost got it right there.
TheNonConformative 1 year ago
@TheNonConformative Please tell us how the Jews twist the arms of all the historians in the world who know fully well that there was indeed a Holocaust.
paolosilv 1 year ago
@paolosilv By jailing all those historians, that point at there never having been an exterimination campaing, but a humanitarian, typhus and hunger inflcited catastrophy inflicted by allied bombing raids. Also the casualities are grossly overrated.
Read: "liberation of the camps" by O´Keefe, "factual appraisalby the red cross" and watch "onethirdofaholocaust".
That will open your eyes. you´ve been lied to since you couldnt even think.
TheNonConformative 1 year ago
@TheNonConformative Which historians have been jailed?who,where and when?
tukidream 1 year ago
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Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau by Daniel Keren, Harry W. Mazal and Jamie McCarthy proves not only that the holes existed but shows where they are.
paolosilv 1 year ago
Thanks for the clip. Very interesting.
ZotDudot7 1 year ago
we live under the Jewish empire, the Jewish dictatorship. You could curse God, Christians, Muslims, Jesus and pretty much everything else but if you criticise the Jews, all hell breaks loose. That should give u a clue as to who really runs the world
DariusDaGreat86 1 year ago 6
Seriously? Where did you read this in the protocols of zion?
ymatmband 1 year ago
isn't it funny how The Protocols Of Zion prophecy has come true. So maybe it was authentic after all .
DariusDaGreat86 1 year ago
You know I don't doubt that you believe what you believe and think you have evidence... I just don't think you realize how vast some sort of global take over would entail. Let alone how unpractical it would be. Plus jews aren't the problem, there are probably some jews who are assholes. Granted most of what is going on in the middle east is cause by a bunch of assholes who happen to be jewish. I can name you a whole bunch of white assholes too and black, and christian and buddhist.
ymatmband 1 year ago
Evidence you ask?
Exhibit - A: Ernst Zundel was released from prison recently after seven years. What was his crime? He dared challenge the official story of the Jewish Holocaust. He was kidnapped from his home in U.S and was brought to Germany where he was imprisoned for thought crimes for seven fuckin years.
I didn't just wake up one day and believe this stuff.
DariusDaGreat86 1 year ago
We have a problem, and it is the hate speech law. I think Zundel has a right to say what he says. But arresting a man for hate speech does not add validity to the claims he made. Let alone prove it was somehow done by jews. And what about chomsky and finkelstein? Jews who are against israel. But you know what they don't do? PROMOTE HATRED.
ymatmband 1 year ago
haha hate speech? How is challenging the official story of the Holohoax hate speech? He didn't even break ANY law of the U.S or Canada. It doesn't add validity? it ABSOLUTELY does. They first tried to kill him by fire-bombing his house and had him kidnapped from his house in U.S. I wonder why they would do that.
Go back to ur ADL hole. Say hello to fatass Abe Foxman from me, will ya?
DariusDaGreat86 1 year ago
"But arresting a man for hate speech does not add validity to the claims he made".
It should cause one to question the Official Narrative
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@ymatmband . The actions of Israel and her supporters cause hate for Israel
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 all I am doing has trying to remove this conspiratory allegation that somehow the jews are manipulating things. I am not for Israel. In fact I have gone to quite a few pro palestinian marches. And the idea that some how this man Zundel is arrested doesn't mean that things he said that landed him in jail are true. I agree the holocaust is over exploited.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband . You don't see that something is wrong when there is one historical event in the west that you must agree with or risk jail? That should give one great pause in accepting the official story.
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 somethings are wrong, SOME, is Chomsky in jail? Finkelstien? Chris Hedges? some people are in jail for other reasons then their views... why would this conspiracy arrest a few people on the fringe when people like chomsky and finkelstien and hedges write books and are free to do it?
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband . Huh? What is your argument? That there aren't people in jail for criticizing the Holocaust narrative? You'd be wrong.
Chomsky and Fink have never challenged the official Holocaust story; they have criticized Israeli policies. Fink has lost eery job he ever had oer this. You will never see either one giving his ideas in the mass media
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 SOME are ... I am saying you are being selective. As for THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE ... what do you consider it to be? YES a lot of jews died, and were systematically done so by the Nazis ... It's not as bad as say what Pol Pot did to the cambodians, but it was pretty bad, and it should be REMEMBERED as such. Why is denying that it happened a good thing? CHALLENGING the narrative is important. Because of israel's exploitation of it, but to say it never happened your an idiot.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband . What I am saying that certain aspects of the Holocaust official story should certainly be questioned and that one should not be jailed for doing so. And people have been jailed for doing just that.
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 I don't think they were jailed for their SPECIFIC criticism. If so, A LOT of people would be in jail. Almost every leftist university professor would be in jail right now. Isn't it possible, that the people who are arrested say some things that areirresponsible? Now I am not arguing they should be arrested, I am against hate speech laws. But the fact that those laws exist add clout to those who arrest people.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband "Isn't it possible, that the people who are arrested say some things that areirresponsible" How can disagreeing wth the official narrative of events that took place thousands of miles away over 65 years ago be irresponsible?
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 what I consider irresponsible is saying things like Jews are evil, and we need to defeat jews, or ... being neo-nazis, or affiliated with them. And I don't know if you know anything about Canada... but there aren't that many jews in power. And the Human Rights Commission that tried Zundell has arested christians for speaking hate on homosexuals, does that mean that the HRC is controlled by Gay Jews?
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband . What you say does not speak to why people who question the official narrative of the Holocaust cn be imprisoned
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 Zundell was promoting hatred in canada. Plain and simple. We have an HRC. Thats life. It has nothing to do with jews. I am not saying it's RIGHT but it is what happens. Give me more examples of people being arrested because and ONLY because they question the holocaust and maybe I will find ways to smack down those ideas too.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband: How did "Zundell promote hatred in canada"? It had nothing to do with Jews? Please provide some detail.
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 well it had something to do with jews, namely hatred towards them. That was the hate he promoted. Also about no photo's of jews being gassed, you have a fundamental misrepresentation of history. Do you also deny the theory of evolution? What about big bang cosmology? History isn't truthful based on photographic evidence.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband:
In other words, you have no idea what Zundel did. All he did was question the official narrative of the Holocaust in writing. Which, if we want an open society and the best way to get to the truth, is what should happen.
By the way, you are aware I hope that there is not one single picture of one single jews being gassed in WWII?
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 Zundel was a neo-nazi. AGAIN, I have my own disagreements with hate speech law. MY WHOLE POINT, is that his being arrested is not an issue with a jewish conspiracy, is not the result from ANYTHING to do with the actual ACT of being skeptical on the holocaust. You should read Michael Shermer's book on history deniers. Do you believe in Jesus? Socrates? Shakespeare? Saying there are no pictures, is IRRELEVANT.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband . You have zero details on why he was arrested yet feel you can make the comment "is not the result from ANYTHING to do with the actual ACT of being skeptical on the holocaust", a comment that, by the way is as false as any comment can be. That is precisely why he was jailed. Why would you have an opinion and way in on this when you have none of the facts? At least look into it.
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 the detail was he was in a hate group.. that is the fact... he was a neo-nazi, ok? Neo-nazi's promote hate... Canada has a law against that... ok? tell me where the jews come in? Di they work as a complete group ... THE JEWS... was there a group of individuals that ... HAPPENED TO BE JEWISH...
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband First off Zundel was acquitted in both trials in the 1980's. He was deported from Canada under the provisions of the Canadian Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, indicating that he was a threat to Canada's national security, because of pressure from the Canadian Jewish Congress the main lobby group for Jews in Canada. Second, there are no pictures of Jesus, Socrates,Shakeseare, but you won't be thrown in jail for dening their existence.
Just No Mohammed cartoons!
Laila6990 1 year ago
@Laila6990
There is a difference between denying somethings existence. Which is fine. But then there is another thing in inciting violence towards other people. Do you think Zundel has a favourable opinion of the jews? I am pretty sure he is fighting them. I fight the state of israel. I have been in many palestinian freedom rallies. I can be against a country. But I don't argue for violence against any jew.I like a lot of Jews. Like Finkelstien. Who has more accurate things to say then zundel
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband There was absolutely no basis for the “security threat” charge( trying to ‘destroy the multicultural fabric and underpinnings of Canadian society '.)During the 40 years he lived in Canada, he was never convicted of a crime. In fact, He survived at least three attempts on his life, including a devastating arson, and pipe bomb attack against his residence. Most importantly he never once was found to have violated the hate crime laws or of counselling, aiding, or abetting any crime.
Laila6990 1 year ago
@Laila6990
What are you arguing for? Some conspiracy? "jews taking over the world". I don't think he is a security threat. I don't think every jew does nice things. There idiots everywhere. I don't like Zundel because he is an idiot. He probably is a threat because he spreads idiocy like the fact that the nazis had UFO technology. that doesn't mean I think he should have been arrested. Just like I don't think you should be. If you want Jewish criticism pick a better source. ie. Finkelstein
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband I guess what I am arguing for is that truth,and facts should never be considered racist or hate speech. If it turns out that there were no gas chambers or systematic Genocide,this is no attack upon the concentration camp victims or survivors. No rational person will deny the existence of the camps or the atrocities committed in them, but the guilt should die with the guilty. Why saddle generations of Germans with shame,and a financial burden for something they had nothing to do with.
Laila6990 1 year ago
@Laila6990
Are they saddled with shame? that would be a hard thing to quantify. Financially burdened? I think the German nation is fairly well off economically at least on par with most EU nations. Of course I have not studied German economic trends. But furthermore... what is the point of questioning what may or may not have been the details in the nazis persecution of jews? I think questioning the ramifications of what occured is important? But why DENY the gas chambers? whats the purpose?
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband The denial of the gas chambers comes up simply because there is no evidence....we are told to take it on faith. NO gas chambers would = NO HOLOCAUST and no holocaust = NO STATE OF ISRAEL. And seeing as Israel will probably trigger WW3....well,thats why it matters!
1THETRUTH10 1 year ago
@1THETRUTH10
What do you take as a standard of truth? There is evidence enough for me to suppose that socrates (the philosopher) existed. It's called convergent evidence... the same evidence that scientists use for evolution, and physics. There is convergent evidence that the holocaust occured. NOW! the point is. Should israel use it to promote the killing of palestinians? NO! Again I will redirect you to listen to FINKELSTEIN, if you want truth and not crap from UFO conspiracy theorists.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband A standard of truth is provable evidence.....not eye witness accounts and hear say! The socrates argument doesnt relate,his philosophy who ever wrote it exists! Evolution and physics are provable as we have a fossil record and physics is provable through reptition. Is there a belief possibly through propaganda that the holocaust happened..yes....proof ,no. Jews from the camps lied about there being a gas chamber in dakkar,human soap and human lamp shades...continued
1THETRUTH10 11 months ago
@1THETRUTH10
Define provable. I am glad you brought up evolution, because creationists attack it all the time, "missing gaps" and all that jazz. That is exactly what you are doing. Say this Jew lied! The russians did this! No gas chambers at Dakkar! MISSING LINKS! Have you ever read a Hitler speech? Watched a Nazi film? There is going to be disagreements on detail everywhere... even in evolutionary theory. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Not on provable evidence but convergent.
ymatmband 11 months ago
Favorable opinion for people who have persecuted you all your life and have ruined you because you publish things they don't like? Beside they burned his house...
At his place I wouldn't have a very good opinion of those people too. Which right do they allow themselves to persecute people like that? Do they want to control all people's minds?
ZuluKika 7 months ago
@ZuluKika How do you jump from some jews burned a house to they want to control ALL minds. You think you are right and you are advocating for a position. How do you know that your position (holocaust denial) was not imposed by some form of mind control. The fact is the Nazi's were explicit in their hatred for the jews. Deaths occured because of this. And yet despite this you advocate what, that it was the jews that made it up? Zionism and Denialism are the same. Both are irrational and stupid.
ymatmband 7 months ago
@ymatmband Zionism and Nazism had the same goal = Jews out of Europe.
Undoubtedly why they colluded (1933 Haavara Agreement) and why Zionists finance Nazism according to:
Samuel Untermyer (The New York Times - August 7th, 1933)
Rabbi Edward L. Israel (The Pittsburgh Press - Nov 20, 1938)
Heinrich Brüning (1948)
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@ymatmband "It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semities as liquidators of property."
"The anti-Semities will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies."
- The Complete Diaries of Theodor (Father of Zionism) Herzl. Vol 1 p.83/4
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 Even, if that were true. Which I don't have the time this second to fact check, why does that matter? Are you saying jews are responsible for the holocaust? Or are you saying it never existed, it was a jewish conspiracy to get people in power who were anti semetic to make it seem like they were killing jews in order to allow for the zionist take over of arab land? Furthermore I don't agree with zionism. And I don't defend people based on their faith, I am an atheist.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband I'm also an atheist, but that's irrelevant.
"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semities as liquidators of property... The anti-Semities will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies."
- The Complete Diaries of Theodor "Father of Zionism" Herzl Vol 1 p.83/4
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@ymatmband
"It is not our task to establish in Palestine a home for selected people, not even a state for a small portion of our people. The aim of our efforts is to organize a systematic massive Jewish evacuation from all the countries in which they live."
- Vladimir Zhabotinsky
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 That is a nice quote, but what is the context? Vladimir Zhabotinsky in 1936, when the quote above was written was concerned about the wellfare of the jewish people. Notice the first half of that quote. Zhabotinsky was for working with the palestinians. What are you trying to argue by showing me that quote? and what do you think that quote proves?
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
If Russian Jew Ilya Ehrenburg sent Russian Jew Vasily Grossman to the US with bars of "human soap" to tour the country spreading news of German fiendishness, and then these very two same Russian Jews then write the Black Book of Russian Jewry, in which they state Germans electrocuted, steamed, and gassed millions of Jews. I believe anyone is entitled to look sceptically upon anything they claimed about the Germans.
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 They wrote about the soap idea in their book the black book. If I were to write in a book, that George Bush was never president and that on September 11th 2001 the twin towers fell , and in 100 years somebody reads my writing, what should they take from that? Would they see my error and conclude that the whole of history is wrong? or would they like most scholars see the mistake for what it is and see if the rest of what I wrote converged with other sources?
ymatmband 6 months ago
So here is the main point. You throw all these quotes at me, you list people who may have lied. Might I ask, did all the Germans lie who came forward about the executions? Did all the Jews lie who were imprisoned? Furthermore where did all the jews who die go, if they didn't die? Was all the rhetoric by the Nazi party mere show boating? Frankly most of history converges on one answer, a program of extermination organized by the Nazi party against the jewish people.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband Shermer's "convergence of evidence" bs ??? The "convergence of evidence" that the Nazis made soap from Jews is as strong, if not stronger, as "the convergence of evidence" they gassed them.
The soap nonsense was a WW1 atrocity lie (corpse factory), along with cutting off children's hands, and crucifying Canadians. The British Foreign Secretary Austen Chamberlain apologise to Germany for it in Parliament on Dec 2, 1925, "this false report will not again be revived" - he lied
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 Oh I get it, you need to use ad hominen's to attack a persons view point rather then appreciating what they say and disect it. I still want to know, if the holocaust is a lie, and there were no gas chambers, how do you explain the number of people who came forward about the extermination policy who didn't have too? If in history one person says something, and then someone else says the opposite, how do you choose who was historically correct?
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
"ad hominen's" Nice, a spelling error and a grammatical error, in just one word.
Such as who? Regina Bialek, Sophia Litwinska? You should read their sad tales from Auschwitz. Both provided an affidavit for the 1945 Belsen Trial. Both were literally tipped into the gas chamber by a tipper-lorry, both were a little bit gassed with cyanide, both were rescued from the gas chamber before the cyanide killed them.
I'm a Ho£o€au$t $urvivor, buy my book!
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 It's funny because I agree with you, I think israel uses the holocaust for their benifit. I also think people exploited the holocaust for personal gain. What does that have to do with the validity of the holocaust?
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband The Nazis never:
1. Had a secret plan to kill all Jews
2. Steamed / Electrocuted / Gassed Jews
3. Killed 6,000,000 Jews
"The Christian world, and I include England, of course, in the Christian world, suffered six million of the people of Jesus of Nazareth to die in a most horrible manner. The Christian world owes the Jews some reparation" - Said rabbi Stephen "über-Zionist" Wise, in May 1945. 6 months before Nuremberg trial began, he knew 6m were dead, & he blamed the Brits for it.
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 "All your losses will be made up to you in the resurrection, provided you continue faithful. By the vision of the Almighty I have seen it."
-Joseph Smith,
Now you have said your an atheist so I would assume you think that Joseph smith is lying, or had visions but they were halucinatory or whatever , and this is just plain babble nonsense. But how do we know this? KNOW being the key word here.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
The only thing I know about Smith, is that he had 34 wives. He married two girls aged 14 and two girls aged 16.
But his 34th and final wife was aged 56, and ironically named 'Fanny Young'
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 My point if you would please acknowledge it, is how do we determine the validity of what someone says in an historical context? By what standards do we use? By what methods do try to subject our ideas to those standards. You can't just give me a quote, like the quote I gave of Joseph Smith and thus automatically assume it's validity. I agree some of what we have been told about the holocaust is bull, but thats history. We need an objective standard to asses it.
ymatmband 6 months ago
Quoting all these people really tells me nothing. I have read enough to know what a lot of people think happened, claimed to have happened, and said they witnessed. What is more important is, Physical evidence, for which there is an overwhelming amount. And convergence in testimonies, what this convergence is supposed to do is weed out individual eye witness bias. So for example your rabbi zionist who clearly has a particular aim.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
"Physical evidence, for which there is an overwhelming amount"
Please contact the USHMM immediately, as ALL their experts have admitted there is virtually no physical evidence for gassings.
google: "No physical evidence for Auschwitz gas chambers, experts admit" to read their own words.
By claiming there is, it only shows you're winging this.
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 So, I just went to the USHMM website... and guess what! They believe that there is evidence for gassing! which means... that I am not winging it ! And you want to marginalize my voice by claiming that I am for one a child, and two don't know anything about this subject. When in fact I am not a child and study the philosophy of science, which by the way you have refused to acknowledge any of my points.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
C'mon. The main propaganda mouthpiece of the multi-trillion dollar industry, says they've evidence, and you just accept their say so? That's not very scientific is it?
Perhaps you should read the trial transcripts of the Zundel or Irving trial. Holocaust historians point-blank refuse to debate Revisionists, therefore the only time the Holocaust opponents meet is in court, and that's where you learn about the real evidence, and not from the USHMM website.
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 You told me, that they say they don't have it. I searched and it says they do. Which means that when you said they say they don't they really think that they do. Whether or not they do or not is a whole other story. Which reminds me of how crazy you have to argue in circles to prove the holocaust was a hoax.
ymatmband 6 months ago
IBM punch cards, Nazi speeches, the evidence at particular camps, the video footage of Nazi atrocities... Why do these not count as evidence FOR an extermination policy?
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
1. Actually read Edwin Black's book
2. What speeches?
3. Oh dear .... you're new to this aren't you kid?
4. See above
lynchie3000 6 months ago
It's called science. Whether you think it's attributed to Shermer or Einstien, it's the only thing that works. The reason why the soap idea was PROVEN wrong is there was no evidence for it. But, you know what there was evidence for? Gas chambers. Why would they drop the soap idea if they were going to keep the hoax of the holocaust alive? gas chambers and soap would have been great for their conspiracy. There was no conspiracy. 9/11 wasn't an inside job. And there was no second shooter.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
Wrong ???
IMT Nuremberg Exhibit USSR-393
It's now claimed, the Nazis only made soap on an experimental basis at the Danzig institute, unfortunately the soap myth hasn't been completely dropped. Some historians (inc Antony Beevor *of all people* still claims it was true) Berlin: The Downfall (2002) p.94)
Just one shooter eh? Pity you weren't on the US House Select Committee on Assassinations "Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that at least two gunmen fired"
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 Well of course you would think that there is a second shooter! And yea it is possible there might have been some experimentation for human soap. But thats not the point. You are extending from a few minor disagreements and contentious issues and then choosing an answer, which I assume fits your preconceived notions of how the world works. Does disagreements in cosmology prove that the big bang is a hoax?
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
I missed your theological, philosophical, cosmological, Evolution posts.
"I describe incidents which may or may not have happened but which are true."
- Elie Wiesel (Alleged Auschwitz survivor, who charges $25K + limo per appearance)
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 What about evolution and the debate between gradation and punctuated equilibrium, does this scholarly debate prove that evolution never happened? How do you measure truth? There has to be some way to reliably reach conclusions. How do you personally go about doing that? I mean at the end of the day how do you know what Hitler, napolean, shermer, and all the people you quoted did are true and accurate? what about the bible? how do we test these claims?
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband "How do you measure truth?" you ask. Well, in my book; you don't. It's fact or fiction.
"For the scientific historian a witness statement does not represent real history. It is an object of history. A witness statement counts for little, many witnesses' statements count for no more, if there is no solid document to support them. One could say without much exaggeration, the principle of scientific historiography is, No paper(s), no proven facts."
- Jacques Baynac, Sept 3, 1997
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 i didn't say measure, I said DETERMINE. How do you determine that something is false? But to say something is either fact or fiction is also horribly misleading. Were you there? Did you witness the events of the holocaust or the non event of the holocaust? No, you are relying on after the fact infomration, which means any finding you find afterwards has a probability of being the truth. In actuality it happened or not but you have no way of determining it with 100% accuracy.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
No, you said " How do you measure truth?" - see your own post.
The Nazis never gassed Jews or had a plan to kill all Jews.
Why?
Because the evidence for it, is the say so of proven liars and tortured Germans, and a few Nazis documents which we're told hide euphemisms for genocide.
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 Not everyone who mentions the extermination policy has been a proven liar. Secondly the Nazi documents didn't hide the extermination policy. For one the IBM punch card system was very explicit on what to do with people. Or was that a cover up to? Or how about the video footage of Nazis killing jews? made up? How do we know bradley smith is not a liar? how do you prove honesty? HOW DO YOU MEASURE IT in a scientific sense.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
You clearly don't own a copy of Black's IBM and the Holocaust.
"For one the IBM punch card system was very explicit on what to do with people." - That's just a laughable lie
"Nazi documents didn't hide the extermination policy." - That's just a laughable lie
If a Jew (Regina Bialek) claims she was tipped into a gas chamber with truck access, and then the gassing producer began, she turned a little blue, but was rescued on the orders of Dr. Mengele. We can measure that as 100% BS
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 So we are all liars? Why are we liars and you know the truth. You haven't given me this PROOF of lyingness. You can't just state someone is full of shit you need to prove it. Frankly having a punch card system with explicit button on it, is ... well... HARD PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. So. Do tell me, since you think you are so right in your assertions why is that evidence a lie? and PROVE it instead of quoting things which have nothing to do with the punch card system.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
1st off, actually read IBM and the Holocaust, I've a copy right here.
The Nazis using the Hollrith system is not evidence that they:
A. Planned to kill all the Jews
b. Gassed Jews
2ndly, Bialek's claimed "the lorry was able to run down the slope and straight into the chamber. Here we were tipped unceremoniously on the floor." - Nobody now claims trucks drove into gas chambers. She lied.
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 Also please explain to me why Edwin Black is a liar.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
I never said Edwin Black was a liar.
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 "Number 8 on the punch card was for special treatment meaning gas chamber or bullet." EDWIN BLACK
ymatmband 6 months ago
sorry code 6! don't want you to get me for lying saying code 8!
ymatmband 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 have you ever heard of confirmation bias? Have you ever searched for information that would disprove your hypothesis? Do you only allow information that fits your hypothesis? Do you have any falsification criteria? Do you have any physical evidence which might lend support for your hypothesis (quotes not included)? Why is it that most scholars (even if they are against israeli policy) believe the holocaust had happened? Are they all in on it? How do you know?
ymatmband 6 months ago
You need to have some sort of reliable method to determine the truth and falsity of these claims, but in between will be some gray area however things should converge. You should watch David Deutsch (yes a jew!) on ted .com in his video on explanation and you might learn something about what makes a good and a bad explanation. Your explanations fall under the bad category and I recomend you learn why that is in order to live a more less paranoid and fullfilling life.
ymatmband 6 months ago
You want to falsify the holocaust hypothesis, how bout finding those 5 million jews, the records of their existence after the holocaust. Here is a better quote, by a better man, "Be open minded, but not so open your brain falls out" - Carl Sagan ( Demon Haunted World: Science as a candle in the dark)
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband
"5 million" Are you some sort of Holocaust Denier or something?
How do you supposed the Jews knew 2 months before Auschwitz was liberated, 6m before Germany surrendered, that 6 million Jews had been done in (Palestine Post Nov 28, 1944)?
They promised to build a monument on Mount Scopus (The Canberra Times - Sept 6, 1945) "it will bear the names of all the 6,000,000" - but here we are in 2011, any they've only compiled half that number (The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names).
lynchie3000 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 5 million or more is a a more accurate representation of the number killed then saying 6 million which probably over states it by a few thousand. Over 60 million people were killed in WWII ... why don't they have an exact figure? It's not an easy thing to figure out. Estimates were already coming out in 1944 of the number of jews killed. They could have been wrong in the 6 million figure but they were pretty close.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@lynchie3000 What I do defend is history as a scientific endeavour. And Bradley Smith is not a scientist. He is at best easily misinterpretive or at worst intentionally manipulative of historical facts. Either way he does not comprehend the scientific way of coming to understand historical facts. Which is based on a convergance of evidence, not on a few facts. Nazis never made Jew soap, but if a jew says they did, it doesn't mean that he was wrong about gas chambers.
ymatmband 6 months ago
@ymatmband . Can you name any of these christians you allege were arrested for "speaking hate on homosexuals"
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 There was a case with a BIshop Henry ... in Alberta? I believe it was dropped but it was in the news for some time... then there is ezra levant... He also was not jailed but has been tried several times. Ann Coulter recently has had a problem with the HRC. But her statements were against muslims. But shes ok cause shes american.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 recently somebody spray painted a nazi sign on a war memorial in Canada... now why would that be? There is a way to express your opinion without being an asshole... some people tend to cross that line, Zundel was one of them. There is a difference between expressing your opinion that you are skeptical about elements that occured during the second world war and another to say the jews are evil. One is hateful... the other isn't.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband . You have no idea as to why Zundel (and others) was jailed. Please. Find out about it. I think you will change your tune
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 I am from Canada, we have a hate speech law. There are plenty who get charged under this law because of their views against homosexuality. I feel they have a right to express their opinion, but when they say things like, "We need to stop homosexuals by all means necessary." They are going to get charged, or arrested. Thats not to say these laws should or should not exist, but the fact that they do, allows for people to be arrested based on SUGGESTIVE language.
ymatmband 1 year ago
@oldjoe5 wow... didn't even realize this zundel guy WAS arrested in Canada. Well, Canada has a lot to offer, but free speech isn't one of them. As for blaming a jewish conspiracy or his arrest, I'm afraid the culprit is the shitty Canadian government. So give me a few years, maybe my voting will change things.... bahahahahahaha ...
ymatmband 1 year ago
@ymatmband . It may not be a Jewish conspiracy, but those conspiring to prevent free speech in connection with the Holocaust are Jews
oldjoe5 1 year ago
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"we live under the Jewish empire, the Jewish dictatorship. You could curse God, Christians, Muslims, Jesus and pretty much everything else but if you criticise the Jews, all hell breaks loose".
This should be quite obvious to everyone
oldjoe5 1 year ago
Germans put their dissidents into camps during WW2 to protect their war effort from terrorism just like America did with their japanese citizens. The WW2 victors made up all of the slanderous lies about "gas chambers", "death camps" and "6 million corpses of jews". Perhaps not even 100,00 jews died during WW2.
"The only known thing we knew about Hitler is that he killed 6 million jews who never existed in gas chambers which nobody ever saw." - jewish professor R. Dommergue
TheWolfChant 2 years ago
Ah.. no.
I've heard this argument come up recently.. but your ignoring the differences in a very callous way.
The Japanese were not tattooed with numbers, and the design for these camps didn't include multiple crematoria. What the f-kind of camp design includes multiple crematoria? Please, before posting such a comparison think about what your saying. 70K Jews were sent from France.. and never came back.. and no records of where they might have gone can be found. They went up in smoke.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
There's no taboo against criticizing Israeli occupation of Palestine in the US. And you can criticize it without denying patently obvious facts such as the holocaust, which have been photographed and documented. A moron.
jmaijmai 2 years ago
Actually there is a significant taboo against criticizing Israel in the USA.
Just look at what happened to Jimmy Carter, Cynthia McKinney, Paul Findley, Charles Freeman, and others
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