even in RL cities such as Leeds, St Helens, Wigan, Hull, Huddersfield, Bradford you just go down the road to Burnley, Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield (even though they have a pro RL team support for the sport is small) Blackburn and Preston and you will see there is hardly any rugby league. In Australia we are still played on the East Coast, no juniors in Melbourne and still only 1 team in NZ.
wait.. hang on a minute why do we have beau ryan (obv dressed as burgess) and have london as the backround it would have made more sense to have bradford/leeds cause sam burgess is hardly recongised in london yet alone outside the north of england probably by only the 5000 or so fans that support the london broncos just because rugby league is played in england doesnt mean is it popular 117 years or so of rugby league and we are still basically played in N England and E Australia.. Pathetic.
@folau111 Do you understand the history of Rugby League? Do you know the history of Rugby League? Especially in Northern England, it's birthplace. Do you understand the term "popular" as opposed to widespread. Rugby League's existence is anything but pathetic.
@terrortorn obv i know huddersfield is the b/place of rl but im saying it is pathetic we cannot expand beyond our heartlands to allow new places to take up RL. What Im saying is, 117 years on and only a couple of hundred people in Ireland, Wales and Scotland would be supporters of RL beyond that hardly any of them would have a clue what it is! In England go outside of Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cumbria and you will struggle to find any RL.
@folau111 What you say is true but this has little to do with the quality of RL but in England the establishment of Football and far more importantly the social exclusion of RL by RU. That social exclusion was willfully designed, 100% effective and continues to this day. I have never seen RL appear on the back page of any newspaper and it is 2012. In the UK we even have a Parliamentary group which attempts to combat prejudice against RL in the media and establishment.
@folau111 Rugby league has not expanded because of the force of arms against it. Football captures the public in a way I have yet to understand and RU through influence in the media, local authorities and it's own by-laws stopped RL spreading. Look at the French. early 1930's RL was introduced. 1939 there were more RL clubs than RU. 1940 FRU collaborate with Nazi and Vichy regimes to ban RL and sell it's resources to benefit the FRU. Fear of RL by the RU is the cause of the lack of expansion.
@folau111 Those Northern towns you mention were never a part of the original Northern RFU. And by the time it became the Northern RFL, with all the exciting entertaining rule changes to even try RL would have meant a ban from RU. At this time all across the country the dire nature of RU had caused a shift of public attention to Football which rose meteorically. Geography and tradition mostly dictate sporting allegiance not quality. RL will never expand without media understanding.
@terrortorn He's right though, and we not to stop laying the blame on the doorstep of RU. Sure if something did or didn't happen historically it might not be the case today, but it is the case today, and whinging about spilt milk hasn't helped rugby league, has it? RL fans have been crying for decades and still no improvement.
The only people to be blamed for the obscurity of RL in most the North is the RFL, not Union, not football.
@z0mgrugbyreturns I disagree. If a decision is made to sideline a sport as it posed a threat to another sports vested interests, what can be done? Can you name in 2012 another sport that is called "regional" and not marginalised nationally by a publicly funded BBC. Forces against RL were massed and had more clout. RL even has a Parliamentary action group of MP's fighting for recognition. 2003 ERU wins the WC, 39 Queens honours for the players, RL WC winners 1972, 0 honours for the players.
@terrortorn I disagree with you. I think you're overstating the influence of Union.
Okay, lets look at it this way, the ARL did alright for themselves, didn't they?
I'm not trying to say Union forces haven't held and hurt League for their own gain, but there needs to be an element of self responsibility now. What good has blaming Union been? Has it gotten League in England anywhere?
The RFL must get off its arse and stop feeling sorry for itself, otherwise league in the UK dies.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Don't confuse what happened in Australia with the UK. Two very different scenarios. The RL v RU has it's venom in the North South and class divides and that has century's of history. RL in the UK can't get in the national newspapers or coverage on the national BBC. You can't get people to listen if the tools that furnish that are not available to you but to others. FU is a great attitude if you have millions of £ to armour yourselves with. No doubt the RFL has made mistakes.
@z0mgrugbyreturns No doubt these mistakes have been compounded by egos. The RL seems drawn to seeing our Northern base as a weakness instead of a strength and touting our most precious events away from the core support. But for instance when RL clubs has always paid tax and RU have not by virtue of having a "nationally treasured status" these are not small influences against RL. RL is deliberately marginalised and represented by UK towns the size of Ballarat not International cities.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Given the problems of RL in the UK British RL is incredibly strong and our demise has been predicted since 1895. You Australians bemoan our quality but you are faced down in the Ashes and Nations by a combined force from about 20 small towns in old Lancashire and Yorkshire. And the largest Rugby crowd ever is a UK RL honour. All from players who can only get a national column inch when they defect to Union and appear at Twickers.
@terrortorn Mate, I'm born in Burnley, living a few miles closer to the Yorkshire border.
What I'm saying is a British perspective borne of my own experiences. You can find plenty of Union clubs in the North West that are propping up and supporting RL teams.
This historic pish isn't worth clinging onto. It's only used to excuse the failures or RL in Britain and everyone of your responses shows it. The scenario in Aus is only different because the Aussies WON, where as we lost.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Advertising the historic situation is the only means of deflating the considerable spin put on Union in an attempt to gain a bit of notice in the largely unaware UK population. I don't know of any Union clubs that prop up RL. Union in the North is a bit of a non entity. The Australia success is what happens when U and RL competes from the start on relatively equal footing in a new country. Not accepting the facts of RL does not invalidate them in any way.
@terrortorn Union in the North is a non-entity? What parallel fucking universe are you living in mate. Union has a superior presence to League in MOST of the North.
League in Australia had the same battles at League in the UK, the difference is they got on with it and smashed Union to the fucking floor. Rather than sulking on Youtube about the failures of League being the result of Union meddling.
Look at your posts. You're a victim and you love being a victim. It's disgusting.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Are you talking about the North of England? Sale and Newcastle Falcons and err Leeds Tykes, I don't know who else? Compared to League clubs absolutely lower profile even with the advantages of national newspaper coverage. Not a World Club Champion amongst them. As I said your dismissal of facts does not invalidate them. And one mans victim mentality is another's this is the truth whether you like it or not.
@terrortorn I'm talking about amateur clubs. Outside of select towns League has 0 presence in the North.
You might be able to sleep easy at night knowing that Bradford is a League town, but 10 miles down the road League has a nothing presence. And the same is true all over the North. League has a pathetic presence, generally.
Most amateur League teams are propped up by the better run Union teams. That's a fact. It's clear you're a sad disillusioned man, that's also a fact.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Oh amateur clubs. Well they don't really matter as far as National or Regional media coverage is concerned. Club RU is no greater than club RL even with all your RU advantages and biases. There is only what is it 2 Northern U clubs in the top flight (The best started playing RL in 1895). And maybe you are the man to ask what is the largest northern union club crowd for a major match? Larger than the Warrington and Halifax crowd? Don't think so.
@terrortorn Where the fuck are you coming from mate? First you're directing comments at me as if I'm a convict. Now you're putting comments to me as if I'm a Union man.
Were you forced to wear a cranial cap for most of your younger years or what mate? I'm just an honest Northerner who loves League.
I apologise if being a League man and having criticisms of the RFL and self-pitying fans like you is a hard concept to grasp.
@z0mgrugbyreturns I have plenty of criticisms of RL some of which i stated moments ago non of which are due to a lack of understanding of the realities of the game. If I assumed you were an Australian or a Union fan it was due to your overly emotional reaction and apparent lack of understanding of British RL issues.
@terrortorn There's nothing informed or uninformed to it, both our opinions are formed on the same information. Difference is you choose to emphasis the wrong-doing because you're a sulk and you haven't clocked on its not productive, where as I don't.
Martyr syndrome is rife amongst British League fans. If an outsider was to read this self deprecating shite, he couldn't be blamed for thinking your victimhood outstrips the bloody Palestinians. This is preposterous.
@z0mgrugbyreturns League and AFL kicked Unions arse in Ausrtalia, and football kicked Unions arse in most of Europe.
Union aren't all powerful, all evidence shows them to be quite fallible and easy to beat. The reason League isn't huge in Britain is because of the shambolic RFL, nobody else.
@z0mgrugbyreturns "Not denied facts". You stated Union is not that powerful, clearly the French experience proves the opposite as does the enshrining of 100 years of prejudice in their bylaws. How much clearer can I prove your weak "debate". State some facts supporting the overestimation of Union influence!!! You can't debate, by making a few childish conclusions such as RL smashed U in Australia. Back them up sunshine with reasons. Or are you on dodgy ground.
@terrortorn But they aren't childish conclusions, are they? Union has failed to dominate and destroy other sports in most the world.
Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in England? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in Scotland? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in Ireland? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in France? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in Australia? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in South Africa? No.
@terrortorn@terrortorn I'm amazed that you're failing to accept the rational I'm putting forward.
That Union keeps League down in England, and practically decimated League in France, is evidence of nothing. That's not a reason for the shambolic running's of League now, or at any time in history. Neither is it a weighty justification for the decline of League at grass roots level in England.
@z0mgrugbyreturns You are not putting forward any rationale for your conclusions. U deliberately enshrined bigotry and prejudice against RL not any other sport. Its motivation in the control of schools and parks was against League proliferation not any other sport. Loyal "consumer" support for RL is based on on tradition, geography, family history and what else is available. A Century of U opposition controlling the expansion of UK RL absolutely affects modern RL.
@terrortorn Well I don't think we're going to reach an agreement or understanding with the Youtube comment word count. PM me if you'd like. I'm pro-League mate, we want the same thing.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Union keeping League down in England and France is absolutely proof of the influence of RU, clearly this influence is not "nothing" but the result of a deliberate effort to stem RL.
@terrortorn There IS a deliberate effort to keep League down. What I'm saying is that regardless, League shouldn't be running as poorly as it is.
Union would love to destroy, and has tried greatly to destroy Rugby League. But what honest people are saying, which sounds incomprehensible to people like you, is that Union has been defeated in many countries - that there influence isn't THAT strong.
The RFL must take % of the blame for Leagues failure in the UK
@z0mgrugbyreturns Union was not defeated. They were only contesting RL and were successful in the UK. The N/S divide does not exist in every country. No doubt the RFL could have done other things.
@terrortorn Union has been slapped silly in almost all countries. The only places this isn't the case seem to be England and France, and it's no surprise with the attitude of "fans" like yourself.
Even in NZ, a Union mad hotspot, League is making serious inroads.
Yet in England people like you want to piss and moan and delude yourselves into thinking Union is some non-movable object, blocking the success of League.
The failure of League in England is borne of RFL mediocrity.
@z0mgrugbyreturns The NZRL dates from 1908, good to know its making inroads after 104 yrs. I say again RU only tried to destroy RL, its influence with the establishment is undeniable.
@terrortorn And that's never been my argument. Even a blind man can see that League has always been at a disadvantage, and that Union is the sport of the political and business class(which is significant).
All I'm saying is that isn't going to change. It didn't change in Australia, it won't change here. If you want to beat Union then you have to do it, regardless of the handicap.
Theres an attitude of putting League failures at the door of Union, and I don't think that's productive
@z0mgrugbyreturns The situation was different in Australia. How does RL get national media recognition when its willfully denied because of U dominance without ID ing that fact?
@z0mgrugbyreturns Not true? I don't know what national newspapers you read but can you name one that has had RL on it's back pages in the last 10 years?
@terrortorn Nobody can deny that Union has hurt League, and continues to keep League down however they can.
But Union can be beaten, and that's been proven too many times. Sooner or later the RFL are going to have to take responsibility for their failures, and much of the position of League is down to the failures of the RFL, as much as Union.
The attitude should be "lets smash these c/nts", instead we feel sorry for ourselves on dwell on the disadvantage too much.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Your proof does not involve the UK's distinct scenario. 1895, 22 RL clubs, 1,000's of RU clubs. Distinct N/S divide over century's. London bias media base.
@terrortorn It's a pointless argument, because plenty of nations with the same bias overcame the disadvantage and laid Union to waste. Were only talking about this because the RFL are shit
@terrortorn I just don't find that attitude, your attitude, productive. I know it can be construed as me blaming the victim, so to speak.
Bu I feel it's been shown that Union can be beaten, quite easily. I'm a believer in thoughts manifesting reality. And because of that I feel the victim mentality, dwelling on the wrong-doings, to me that's counter-productive and will lead to mediocrity.
League could overtake Union with ease, if the RFL was run right.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Undoubtedly the RL could do things differently but this involves highlighting the U hypocrisy and past dealings. RL has to be compared to U to win.
@terrortorn Agreed. But it isn't happening, is it? The RFL don't want to war with Union, because the RFL are scared and incompetent. The old boys club exists in both codes.
@z0mgrugbyreturns Sky does not want a war. It has vested interests in both. The BBC wont publicise one as it knows U would lose. SLS is regional, Ski Sunday is national? Establishment influence!
@z0mgrugbyreturns You seem hellbent on standing up for pure nonsense? I don't see how understanding the issues is a matter of productivity. Perhaps you could teach us how RL will get a national presence with willfully denied media coverage? I have no doubt that the RFL is shambolic in many respects but so are the RFU. However with the RFU it does not matter, they rise in spite of mediocrity. Thats called influence. Like I said your denial of the facts does not invalidate them.
@terrortorn I've not denied any facts. What I've said is that the Rugby Unions have been beaten from pillar to post in most countries, and using Union as an excuse for the failures of British League doesn't wash, for a number of reasons, most of which I've stated.
@terrortorn In Australia the attitude is "fuck union" and they get on with it. In England League fans seem more concerned with sitting around and moaning about how union has destroyed the game.
I'm not here to question history or deny there's industry and political bias. But you've got to get on with it and force changes. I find current attitudes to be harmful because they excuse internal failures within the RFL
@folau111 The sad fact of the matter is if RL had been invented by a breakaway of London clubs by now RU probably would only be an historical relic played in some British and colonial public schools. Remember Chlamydia is everywhere Gold has to be hunted out.
@ThePuddincat Thank you at last someone with a correct and constructive anwser, i know we still have a lot to learn from nrl, your business products as a whole, but like you say i could sit here and say for example, eastwood came over here and did nothing, homesick, surroundings whatever but i know he still a decent player 'despite if i looked at it in some aussie ways i could say ' he shit and couldnt even stand out at park footy', but it wouldnt be very fare would it. rugby league rules!!! :)
lmao, the next time i hear you lot 'bagging poms' im going to remind you all of the 2 shit poms in this video that you lot apear to be worshipping, flanagan couldnt get in a superleague side and burgess, has he ever done anything apart from hit a couple of people at the right time???
@CiMBoMTurkiye93 lmao what part of the above sentance do you not understand, im on about the two poms init no-one else, ironic you calling me a retard, when it appears your the one who's 'a bit special' lmao at you idiot.
@saintbowen79 Stick to your Superleague you soft cock. You Brits don't know how hard it is the play in the NRL, that's why you're all fucking pussies and can't beat shit in the four nations. Boys that come over to play NRL are fucken harder than you'll ever be.
@Greggols listen dickhead, ive been watching the sport in both countires since before you was a twitch in your dads nutsak, ive got socks that are older than you, so before you run your mouth off have a look at the opposition to stop yourself looking stupid, just because you live in a place with the best comp means nothing, not least from a school kid. fucking mug!
@saintbowen79 You think you're better than me cause you were born before me? League 20 years ago is completely different to league now faggot! Ain't mean shit, I know more about football than you can even comprehend. Your argument is flawed, I watch Super league and you're obviously a nut-job if you think Super league is decent. Burgess and Flanagan are much betters players coming down here, has nothing to do with where I'm from. So fuck up before this 'school kid' put you on your arse again.
@Greggols no i know im better than you, can tell by the way you come across, talking through your arse, superleague is decent maybe not at nrl level, but not far, thats why you dont win/walk over teams in the wcc anymore, burgess and flanagan are shit, you all only think burgess is good, cos you all get instant hard-ons when he shoulder charges someone, well ther is more to league than shoulder charges. "aint mean shit" are you an aussie that thinks he's a yank??? cos that is gibberish. lil boy!
@saintbowen79 You know you're better than me because my argument shits over yours? Wow. I always thought Brits were supposed to be intelligent... You certainly haven't done much for your country my friend. Superleague is soft, straight and simple. 90% of SL players couldn't handle playing in the NRL. You get our rejects that are past their peaks, and the bad thing is that they are your best players. Maybe if you keep telling yourself Superleague isn't far behind NRL it might become true? HA!
@Greggols im being as intelligent as i have to be, ill let you work out what that means 'clever cloggs' like i said you worship flanagan and burgess when there shit, ellis is kicking arse over there and next year james graham will be too, the world club challenge can go either way every year, the only place we get dominated is on international scene, and thats because players get picked on who they are not form, and more recently with a shit coach, everyy nrl club also has top quality facilities
IM FROM HONG KONG
edwardtightjeans 3 weeks ago
even in RL cities such as Leeds, St Helens, Wigan, Hull, Huddersfield, Bradford you just go down the road to Burnley, Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield (even though they have a pro RL team support for the sport is small) Blackburn and Preston and you will see there is hardly any rugby league. In Australia we are still played on the East Coast, no juniors in Melbourne and still only 1 team in NZ.
folau111 1 month ago
Beau knows nothing.
sKiiTs8 1 month ago
wait.. hang on a minute why do we have beau ryan (obv dressed as burgess) and have london as the backround it would have made more sense to have bradford/leeds cause sam burgess is hardly recongised in london yet alone outside the north of england probably by only the 5000 or so fans that support the london broncos just because rugby league is played in england doesnt mean is it popular 117 years or so of rugby league and we are still basically played in N England and E Australia.. Pathetic.
folau111 1 month ago
@folau111 Do you understand the history of Rugby League? Do you know the history of Rugby League? Especially in Northern England, it's birthplace. Do you understand the term "popular" as opposed to widespread. Rugby League's existence is anything but pathetic.
terrortorn 1 month ago
@terrortorn obv i know huddersfield is the b/place of rl but im saying it is pathetic we cannot expand beyond our heartlands to allow new places to take up RL. What Im saying is, 117 years on and only a couple of hundred people in Ireland, Wales and Scotland would be supporters of RL beyond that hardly any of them would have a clue what it is! In England go outside of Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cumbria and you will struggle to find any RL.
folau111 1 month ago
@folau111 What you say is true but this has little to do with the quality of RL but in England the establishment of Football and far more importantly the social exclusion of RL by RU. That social exclusion was willfully designed, 100% effective and continues to this day. I have never seen RL appear on the back page of any newspaper and it is 2012. In the UK we even have a Parliamentary group which attempts to combat prejudice against RL in the media and establishment.
terrortorn 1 month ago
@folau111 Rugby league has not expanded because of the force of arms against it. Football captures the public in a way I have yet to understand and RU through influence in the media, local authorities and it's own by-laws stopped RL spreading. Look at the French. early 1930's RL was introduced. 1939 there were more RL clubs than RU. 1940 FRU collaborate with Nazi and Vichy regimes to ban RL and sell it's resources to benefit the FRU. Fear of RL by the RU is the cause of the lack of expansion.
terrortorn 1 month ago
@folau111 Those Northern towns you mention were never a part of the original Northern RFU. And by the time it became the Northern RFL, with all the exciting entertaining rule changes to even try RL would have meant a ban from RU. At this time all across the country the dire nature of RU had caused a shift of public attention to Football which rose meteorically. Geography and tradition mostly dictate sporting allegiance not quality. RL will never expand without media understanding.
terrortorn 1 month ago
@terrortorn He's right though, and we not to stop laying the blame on the doorstep of RU. Sure if something did or didn't happen historically it might not be the case today, but it is the case today, and whinging about spilt milk hasn't helped rugby league, has it? RL fans have been crying for decades and still no improvement.
The only people to be blamed for the obscurity of RL in most the North is the RFL, not Union, not football.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns I disagree. If a decision is made to sideline a sport as it posed a threat to another sports vested interests, what can be done? Can you name in 2012 another sport that is called "regional" and not marginalised nationally by a publicly funded BBC. Forces against RL were massed and had more clout. RL even has a Parliamentary action group of MP's fighting for recognition. 2003 ERU wins the WC, 39 Queens honours for the players, RL WC winners 1972, 0 honours for the players.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn I disagree with you. I think you're overstating the influence of Union.
Okay, lets look at it this way, the ARL did alright for themselves, didn't they?
I'm not trying to say Union forces haven't held and hurt League for their own gain, but there needs to be an element of self responsibility now. What good has blaming Union been? Has it gotten League in England anywhere?
The RFL must get off its arse and stop feeling sorry for itself, otherwise league in the UK dies.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Don't confuse what happened in Australia with the UK. Two very different scenarios. The RL v RU has it's venom in the North South and class divides and that has century's of history. RL in the UK can't get in the national newspapers or coverage on the national BBC. You can't get people to listen if the tools that furnish that are not available to you but to others. FU is a great attitude if you have millions of £ to armour yourselves with. No doubt the RFL has made mistakes.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns No doubt these mistakes have been compounded by egos. The RL seems drawn to seeing our Northern base as a weakness instead of a strength and touting our most precious events away from the core support. But for instance when RL clubs has always paid tax and RU have not by virtue of having a "nationally treasured status" these are not small influences against RL. RL is deliberately marginalised and represented by UK towns the size of Ballarat not International cities.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Given the problems of RL in the UK British RL is incredibly strong and our demise has been predicted since 1895. You Australians bemoan our quality but you are faced down in the Ashes and Nations by a combined force from about 20 small towns in old Lancashire and Yorkshire. And the largest Rugby crowd ever is a UK RL honour. All from players who can only get a national column inch when they defect to Union and appear at Twickers.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Mate, I'm born in Burnley, living a few miles closer to the Yorkshire border.
What I'm saying is a British perspective borne of my own experiences. You can find plenty of Union clubs in the North West that are propping up and supporting RL teams.
This historic pish isn't worth clinging onto. It's only used to excuse the failures or RL in Britain and everyone of your responses shows it. The scenario in Aus is only different because the Aussies WON, where as we lost.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Advertising the historic situation is the only means of deflating the considerable spin put on Union in an attempt to gain a bit of notice in the largely unaware UK population. I don't know of any Union clubs that prop up RL. Union in the North is a bit of a non entity. The Australia success is what happens when U and RL competes from the start on relatively equal footing in a new country. Not accepting the facts of RL does not invalidate them in any way.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Union in the North is a non-entity? What parallel fucking universe are you living in mate. Union has a superior presence to League in MOST of the North.
League in Australia had the same battles at League in the UK, the difference is they got on with it and smashed Union to the fucking floor. Rather than sulking on Youtube about the failures of League being the result of Union meddling.
Look at your posts. You're a victim and you love being a victim. It's disgusting.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Are you talking about the North of England? Sale and Newcastle Falcons and err Leeds Tykes, I don't know who else? Compared to League clubs absolutely lower profile even with the advantages of national newspaper coverage. Not a World Club Champion amongst them. As I said your dismissal of facts does not invalidate them. And one mans victim mentality is another's this is the truth whether you like it or not.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn I'm talking about amateur clubs. Outside of select towns League has 0 presence in the North.
You might be able to sleep easy at night knowing that Bradford is a League town, but 10 miles down the road League has a nothing presence. And the same is true all over the North. League has a pathetic presence, generally.
Most amateur League teams are propped up by the better run Union teams. That's a fact. It's clear you're a sad disillusioned man, that's also a fact.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Oh amateur clubs. Well they don't really matter as far as National or Regional media coverage is concerned. Club RU is no greater than club RL even with all your RU advantages and biases. There is only what is it 2 Northern U clubs in the top flight (The best started playing RL in 1895). And maybe you are the man to ask what is the largest northern union club crowd for a major match? Larger than the Warrington and Halifax crowd? Don't think so.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Where the fuck are you coming from mate? First you're directing comments at me as if I'm a convict. Now you're putting comments to me as if I'm a Union man.
Were you forced to wear a cranial cap for most of your younger years or what mate? I'm just an honest Northerner who loves League.
I apologise if being a League man and having criticisms of the RFL and self-pitying fans like you is a hard concept to grasp.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns I have plenty of criticisms of RL some of which i stated moments ago non of which are due to a lack of understanding of the realities of the game. If I assumed you were an Australian or a Union fan it was due to your overly emotional reaction and apparent lack of understanding of British RL issues.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Herp derp, mate. Your argument is bullshit.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Informed opinion and the French RL would not agree.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn There's nothing informed or uninformed to it, both our opinions are formed on the same information. Difference is you choose to emphasis the wrong-doing because you're a sulk and you haven't clocked on its not productive, where as I don't.
Martyr syndrome is rife amongst British League fans. If an outsider was to read this self deprecating shite, he couldn't be blamed for thinking your victimhood outstrips the bloody Palestinians. This is preposterous.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns League and AFL kicked Unions arse in Ausrtalia, and football kicked Unions arse in most of Europe.
Union aren't all powerful, all evidence shows them to be quite fallible and easy to beat. The reason League isn't huge in Britain is because of the shambolic RFL, nobody else.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Perhaps you could explain the "lack" of Union influence in the demise of the French RL?
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Why would I explain something I've never said. Perhaps you could explain where I stated or implied that Union didn't ruin French RL?
I feel like I'm debating with a 5 year old. Every time I make an argument you put words into my mouth and try to assassinate my character.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns "Not denied facts". You stated Union is not that powerful, clearly the French experience proves the opposite as does the enshrining of 100 years of prejudice in their bylaws. How much clearer can I prove your weak "debate". State some facts supporting the overestimation of Union influence!!! You can't debate, by making a few childish conclusions such as RL smashed U in Australia. Back them up sunshine with reasons. Or are you on dodgy ground.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn But they aren't childish conclusions, are they? Union has failed to dominate and destroy other sports in most the world.
Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in England? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in Scotland? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in Ireland? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in France? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in Australia? No. Is Rugby Union the biggest sport in South Africa? No.
It's clear that Union is not THAT powerful.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn @terrortorn I'm amazed that you're failing to accept the rational I'm putting forward.
That Union keeps League down in England, and practically decimated League in France, is evidence of nothing. That's not a reason for the shambolic running's of League now, or at any time in history. Neither is it a weighty justification for the decline of League at grass roots level in England.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns You are not putting forward any rationale for your conclusions. U deliberately enshrined bigotry and prejudice against RL not any other sport. Its motivation in the control of schools and parks was against League proliferation not any other sport. Loyal "consumer" support for RL is based on on tradition, geography, family history and what else is available. A Century of U opposition controlling the expansion of UK RL absolutely affects modern RL.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Well I don't think we're going to reach an agreement or understanding with the Youtube comment word count. PM me if you'd like. I'm pro-League mate, we want the same thing.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Union keeping League down in England and France is absolutely proof of the influence of RU, clearly this influence is not "nothing" but the result of a deliberate effort to stem RL.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn There IS a deliberate effort to keep League down. What I'm saying is that regardless, League shouldn't be running as poorly as it is.
Union would love to destroy, and has tried greatly to destroy Rugby League. But what honest people are saying, which sounds incomprehensible to people like you, is that Union has been defeated in many countries - that there influence isn't THAT strong.
The RFL must take % of the blame for Leagues failure in the UK
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Union was not defeated. They were only contesting RL and were successful in the UK. The N/S divide does not exist in every country. No doubt the RFL could have done other things.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Union has been slapped silly in almost all countries. The only places this isn't the case seem to be England and France, and it's no surprise with the attitude of "fans" like yourself.
Even in NZ, a Union mad hotspot, League is making serious inroads.
Yet in England people like you want to piss and moan and delude yourselves into thinking Union is some non-movable object, blocking the success of League.
The failure of League in England is borne of RFL mediocrity.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns The NZRL dates from 1908, good to know its making inroads after 104 yrs. I say again RU only tried to destroy RL, its influence with the establishment is undeniable.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn And that's never been my argument. Even a blind man can see that League has always been at a disadvantage, and that Union is the sport of the political and business class(which is significant).
All I'm saying is that isn't going to change. It didn't change in Australia, it won't change here. If you want to beat Union then you have to do it, regardless of the handicap.
Theres an attitude of putting League failures at the door of Union, and I don't think that's productive
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns The situation was different in Australia. How does RL get national media recognition when its willfully denied because of U dominance without ID ing that fact?
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn You can't ID the fact because it's not true. RL regularly outranks RU on Sky Sports. If what you say is true this wouldn't be the case
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Not true? I don't know what national newspapers you read but can you name one that has had RL on it's back pages in the last 10 years?
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Nobody can deny that Union has hurt League, and continues to keep League down however they can.
But Union can be beaten, and that's been proven too many times. Sooner or later the RFL are going to have to take responsibility for their failures, and much of the position of League is down to the failures of the RFL, as much as Union.
The attitude should be "lets smash these c/nts", instead we feel sorry for ourselves on dwell on the disadvantage too much.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Your proof does not involve the UK's distinct scenario. 1895, 22 RL clubs, 1,000's of RU clubs. Distinct N/S divide over century's. London bias media base.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn It's a pointless argument, because plenty of nations with the same bias overcame the disadvantage and laid Union to waste. Were only talking about this because the RFL are shit
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn I just don't find that attitude, your attitude, productive. I know it can be construed as me blaming the victim, so to speak.
Bu I feel it's been shown that Union can be beaten, quite easily. I'm a believer in thoughts manifesting reality. And because of that I feel the victim mentality, dwelling on the wrong-doings, to me that's counter-productive and will lead to mediocrity.
League could overtake Union with ease, if the RFL was run right.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Undoubtedly the RL could do things differently but this involves highlighting the U hypocrisy and past dealings. RL has to be compared to U to win.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn Agreed. But it isn't happening, is it? The RFL don't want to war with Union, because the RFL are scared and incompetent. The old boys club exists in both codes.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns Sky does not want a war. It has vested interests in both. The BBC wont publicise one as it knows U would lose. SLS is regional, Ski Sunday is national? Establishment influence!
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@z0mgrugbyreturns You seem hellbent on standing up for pure nonsense? I don't see how understanding the issues is a matter of productivity. Perhaps you could teach us how RL will get a national presence with willfully denied media coverage? I have no doubt that the RFL is shambolic in many respects but so are the RFU. However with the RFU it does not matter, they rise in spite of mediocrity. Thats called influence. Like I said your denial of the facts does not invalidate them.
terrortorn 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn I've not denied any facts. What I've said is that the Rugby Unions have been beaten from pillar to post in most countries, and using Union as an excuse for the failures of British League doesn't wash, for a number of reasons, most of which I've stated.
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@terrortorn In Australia the attitude is "fuck union" and they get on with it. In England League fans seem more concerned with sitting around and moaning about how union has destroyed the game.
I'm not here to question history or deny there's industry and political bias. But you've got to get on with it and force changes. I find current attitudes to be harmful because they excuse internal failures within the RFL
z0mgrugbyreturns 3 weeks ago
@folau111 The sad fact of the matter is if RL had been invented by a breakaway of London clubs by now RU probably would only be an historical relic played in some British and colonial public schools. Remember Chlamydia is everywhere Gold has to be hunted out.
terrortorn 1 month ago
Come on Man U! Come on ROONEY! (while watching AFL) lol
ENMJLJ 3 months ago 3
'come on man u and rooney' while watchin afl!! lol haha
jazhullfc 3 months ago
You're a convict
scottflorris 4 months ago 3
I wish we had things like this on superleague, closest we get to humour is old senile steve-o talking absolute bollocks about youngsters.
ThatBigRugbyKid 7 months ago
Well sister this *SMACK*
MrKiwibo11 7 months ago 2
ROBBISH!
adzilla101 8 months ago 12
burgess is THE man
lachynf18 9 months ago
I ate your Yorkshire pudding!!
themopkents 9 months ago
@ThePuddincat Thank you at last someone with a correct and constructive anwser, i know we still have a lot to learn from nrl, your business products as a whole, but like you say i could sit here and say for example, eastwood came over here and did nothing, homesick, surroundings whatever but i know he still a decent player 'despite if i looked at it in some aussie ways i could say ' he shit and couldnt even stand out at park footy', but it wouldnt be very fare would it. rugby league rules!!! :)
saintbowen79 10 months ago
english porn sensation? lol jokes
cod272 11 months ago
loooooooooool yorkshire pudding hahahahha
danielc0d 11 months ago
:P
crazyhand97 1 year ago
my last name is burgess motherfucker this vids about me! :D
xXAussieKingXx 1 year ago
he looks just like wendell sailor wit dat tan
CowboysBman 1 year ago
Rubbish!!!! lol
Eelsfanforlife 1 year ago
lmao, the next time i hear you lot 'bagging poms' im going to remind you all of the 2 shit poms in this video that you lot apear to be worshipping, flanagan couldnt get in a superleague side and burgess, has he ever done anything apart from hit a couple of people at the right time???
saintbowen79 1 year ago
@saintbowen79 the main one isnt even pom you fcking retard
CiMBoMTurkiye93 11 months ago
@CiMBoMTurkiye93 lmao what part of the above sentance do you not understand, im on about the two poms init no-one else, ironic you calling me a retard, when it appears your the one who's 'a bit special' lmao at you idiot.
saintbowen79 11 months ago
@saintbowen79 Stick to your Superleague you soft cock. You Brits don't know how hard it is the play in the NRL, that's why you're all fucking pussies and can't beat shit in the four nations. Boys that come over to play NRL are fucken harder than you'll ever be.
Greggols 11 months ago
@Greggols listen dickhead, ive been watching the sport in both countires since before you was a twitch in your dads nutsak, ive got socks that are older than you, so before you run your mouth off have a look at the opposition to stop yourself looking stupid, just because you live in a place with the best comp means nothing, not least from a school kid. fucking mug!
saintbowen79 11 months ago
@saintbowen79 You think you're better than me cause you were born before me? League 20 years ago is completely different to league now faggot! Ain't mean shit, I know more about football than you can even comprehend. Your argument is flawed, I watch Super league and you're obviously a nut-job if you think Super league is decent. Burgess and Flanagan are much betters players coming down here, has nothing to do with where I'm from. So fuck up before this 'school kid' put you on your arse again.
Greggols 10 months ago
@Greggols no i know im better than you, can tell by the way you come across, talking through your arse, superleague is decent maybe not at nrl level, but not far, thats why you dont win/walk over teams in the wcc anymore, burgess and flanagan are shit, you all only think burgess is good, cos you all get instant hard-ons when he shoulder charges someone, well ther is more to league than shoulder charges. "aint mean shit" are you an aussie that thinks he's a yank??? cos that is gibberish. lil boy!
saintbowen79 10 months ago
@saintbowen79 You know you're better than me because my argument shits over yours? Wow. I always thought Brits were supposed to be intelligent... You certainly haven't done much for your country my friend. Superleague is soft, straight and simple. 90% of SL players couldn't handle playing in the NRL. You get our rejects that are past their peaks, and the bad thing is that they are your best players. Maybe if you keep telling yourself Superleague isn't far behind NRL it might become true? HA!
Greggols 10 months ago
@Greggols im being as intelligent as i have to be, ill let you work out what that means 'clever cloggs' like i said you worship flanagan and burgess when there shit, ellis is kicking arse over there and next year james graham will be too, the world club challenge can go either way every year, the only place we get dominated is on international scene, and thats because players get picked on who they are not form, and more recently with a shit coach, everyy nrl club also has top quality facilities
saintbowen79 10 months ago
@Greggols Mate super league isn't soft, stop gibbering. your embarrassing all of us : )
Megamanhurhur 3 weeks ago
RUBBISH!
hampster5789 1 year ago
@hampster5789 ur fucked
Micky17T 1 year ago
Ur a convict!
Hemsworth7 1 year ago
ha haa funnyy as!!! cmon man uu lol ! i love it all ! legend..
jazhullfc 1 year ago
Who ate my Yorkshire pudding!!!?
hemiBRO1 1 year ago 79
Yeah Roosters suck, that's why they're coming 3rd now aye.
jonbovi7 1 year ago
@jonbovi7 how many wins have they had by like 2 points :|
DanielCatt23 1 year ago
@DanielCatt23 I wouldn't know. I don't sit and count points every week.
jonbovi7 1 year ago
@MegaTigers05 umm a team doesnt suck if the third/in the top 8 u dont no NRL competiton Buudayyyyyy
AusChampWrestling09 1 year ago
Tigers are better then roosters that's why we are staying in 3rd place roosters just got lucky in those games
flavering 1 year ago
tigers suck
Bails992 1 year ago
@Bails992 better than wat team u go for
Neos12321 1 year ago
@Neos12321 my team beat the tigers 2 times 3 actually in the trials aswell
Bails992 1 year ago
@Bails992 who u go for then
Neos12321 1 year ago
@Neos12321 roosters and dont say shit because we beat the tigers 3 times
Bails992 1 year ago
@Bails992 well i go for roosters but dont call a team that sucks which is ontop of us
Neos12321 1 year ago
@Neos12321 well we are better than them cause We beaT them 3 times and thats wat da game is about hating other teams u only support 1 team.
Bails992 1 year ago
@Bails992 bud, they only play each other 2 times a year!
:S
LAF119 1 year ago
@LAF119 its called a trial game you retard
Bails992 1 year ago
@Bails992 well did you see that big hit on JWH last year? it was by Simon Dwyer.... the backrower for the tigers.... just saying
WestTigers1116 8 months ago
@WestTigers1116 Well did u see the field goal kicked by braith anasta and then the try from shaun kenny dowall to win it.
Bails992 8 months ago 4
@Bails992 calm your farm, i was just saying....
WestTigers1116 8 months ago
what a funny cunt lol
lachynf12 1 year ago
who ate my yooorkshire puddang LMFAO
valm8 1 year ago
whats the song at the beginning
deppolicious 1 year ago
@deppolicious
The song is 'tubthumping' by Chumbawumba. It goes back to the late 90s.
AndrewWuTube 1 year ago
@AndrewWuTube thank you soooooo much :D
deppolicious 1 year ago
i'd love to hav his job
staticslasher24 1 year ago 47
could u put the whole episode up wi sam on the futi show, need to see it
toonjosh 1 year ago
absolute legend.
deppolicious 1 year ago