kargaethas, I believe Capn meant that as social creatures, for the most part we have empathy, compassion built-in by nature, socialization into our culture and society and religious beliefs by our parents and peers put restrictions on our personal behavior. Unless someone is true sociopath with no fear of death or violence, it can be argued that only such a individual has a "Free" will to choose to do whatever he/she wants.
you only belive in what government and darwin tells you darwin had no proof of his theroy where is the missing link nowhere because it dosnt exist nor has it ever existed on the other hand i have the holy bible you are a shallow person i feel sorry for you i will pray for you to change
I believe that I don't know shit, and the claims that Atheists make saying there is no god is just as childish as religious people saying thee is a god; because the truth is we don't know
But one thing I do believe in is whatever you definition of god is (creator, cause, nature, rhythm, events, time, space, etc..), the only way to understand it is through logic and science (give to human by "your" god itself)
Is it just as childish then, to say that leprechauns or Santa Claus don't exist, as it is to say that they do?
There is the same amount of evidence for those as there is for any "god": None.
But no, I can't prove that there is no such thing as a "god". But until there is some evidence that such a thing exists, I have no more reason to take it seriously than I would Santa.
i don't belive that just being is enough, or of any purpose. i believe our purpose is to receive and to give love. and i belive that love and free will are the same thing.
i dont understand... why do you spend your time disproving religion?? just go and have fun. go find another purpose for your life "what is a man who does not make this world better???" just live and let live then go do something good and make ppl happy
A circumstantial personal attack fallacy is not a proper way to formulate a good argument. To be honest, he makes the world a better place, by educating the masses and informing them of his opinion, all the while using proper and valid arguments.
what stops you from causing harm to others if you are free to do as you will.....and why do humans seem to have a concience and a general belief in a higher being------> God put it in us to want to believe these things are innate and natural....not believing is unnatural (and you know believing in something higher is very natural in nations from the past all over the world and even now but society changes us)
You mention the word.."my life more precious" - dosn't that word lose its meaning if you do not have a soul? - if your just a biological product of a coincidence?
I believe that people who believe too much tend to be douches. I believe that If people cared a little less about where we come from or were we are going and more about enjoyment life would be better for all. I believe that when we die, we will probably end up in a afterlife, what kind I do not know or care. All I know is when I die I will find out. I also believe that Humor is the most important quality a person can have. that's some of what I believe.
Well then I believe you're a douch. lol... just kidin... I do believe that you're very VERY right on the humor thing. Humor is very important and without it we only have everything else..... and what good is everything else if you can't laugh about it now and then? : )
"I believe that humanity is actively trying to kill itself. I believe that humanity does not want to die."
If only the rest of humanity would listen to this... I sincerely believe that we, as a species, will not survive happily for long if the majority of us remain oblivious to what we are doing... either oblivious or we don't care.
"You believe in many things you are a very religious man :) "
Not sure if you're just joking, or if you're serious (or somewhere in between).
Whatever the case may be, I am not "religious", because I do not create a social, ritualistic, or dogmatic structure around any of my beliefs, and I am willing to change any of them - if I am compelled by evidence to do so.
I could not have phrased it any better. Excellent!
You mentioned, that you 'believe in no such thing as absolute time.' Under relativity, it does not allow for absolute time, perhaps it is not accurate to say that it is a belief but rather fact.
I'm going to admit at this point that I haven't understood relativity well enough to be able to say that with certainty. So for me at least it is a belief, although it may also be a fact (kind of like "I believe the earth moves around the sun").
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your believe is full of shit. you believe in all the space crap, the evidence for this are cheep propaganda pictures, and your shiddy society formed mind. you changed the synonymes - nature into god... i believe in absolute time, and a dome above the earth. we cant see so far, the sky isn´t clear, it is full of mist. our visable spectrum is bounded. our views don´t reatch further than 100 km.-fuck off the infinite emptiness -
ok... just a different view on the word reason... I think I take it more in the human oriented purpose sense and you take it in the cause sense. question answered. thanks.
They are actually the same belief, the belief in complete causality, or predeterminism. Of course, on a quantum level determinism doesn't actually apply, so that particular belief kinda collapses when viewed from that angle.... But I would need to do a lot more philosophizing to reach a meaningful conclusion to that train of thought, and since that very idea makes me yawn, I haven't so far.
ignoring your quantum concerns, complete causality leads to a lack of free will agreed... but in my opinion complete causality also leads to a world without reason so I'm having trouble understanding your "everything happens for a reason" when reason is just a man made concept and doesn't truly exist in a deterministic world?
I think that depends on what you mean by "reason". Everything happens for a reason, in a predeterministic sense, to me at least, means that everything that happens is caused by something else, which was caused by something else, etc. back to singularity.
This is also why I stated that most reasons for things happening aren't very good ones.
I believe life's worth living well, we're Nature's "super-brats in our technological adolescence and pushing it! And, synthetic realities "like blind-faith religion" and clear awareness are incompatible.
I believe that you are right sir! And I believe that spirituality must come from within ones self! It must be something you feel with in yourself and NOT from something you read from text! If you are going to believe in what is written in the bible? You may as well believe what is written in the Koran! it is damn near the same thing! Except of course the killing and beheadings and... But I Exacerbated myself! Now, this coming from someone that believes in God... Go figure!
Why is that odd? It seems quite obvious to me. Our decisions are influenced by millions of things in our surroundings and within our own bodies and brain chemistry. The causes are so chaotic and complex that we think we "decide" to do something, but at the deepest level of reality, nobody ever "decides" anything. Dendrophilian made an excellent video explaining the position, you should check it out.
Of course, on a practical level we still have a choice, and our choices still matter. But in the end, the choice is no more "ours" than being born was.
You said that: "our decisions are influenced by our brain's chemistry". But aren't WE our brain's chemistry. You're saying it as if we and are brain is a different entity.
Well, yeah, we are our brains (and our bodies, the two are not separate entities, and in a different body our brain would likely behave very differently).
The point is, our conscious decision making process is not "free". I believe in will, I just don't believe in "free" will. Nobody is ever really "free" to choose. But, as I've said before, this is just something I believe, I can't really back it up other than to say that it makes sense to me that this is the way it works.
Ah... "But, as I've said before, this is just something I believe, I can't really back it up other than to say that it makes sense to me that this is the way it works." Now you know how a person that believe in a God feels.
My belief would not condemn anyone for their beliefs. I'm no one to judge someone according to their religious beliefs or non beliefs. But I know what you mean. Like I've said. I believe that if a person lives a moral, (i.e. no cold blooded murder, don't thieve from others.) etc, etc, life. Then heaven is achieved in what ever after life there might be. Whether that heaven is an eternal spiritual life or just a millisecond of the flickering of two neurons as they transfer their last thoughts.
You could even say that you have faith (confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something- to have a conviction) You have faith that there is no such thing as "freewill". Now I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking you, I'm really not. Just making a point. You do condemn people based on your beliefs. You condemn their beliefs with the way you talk about christianity and God. You condemn them as stupid or moronic!
I most certainly do not! As I said before, I was a christian for 25 years. I have rarely had to consider myself stupid or moronic (although admittedly, that has happened). Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Skepticism does. And no, I don't condemn christians, or muslims, or any other kind of believers. I condemn the religion, not the religious. There's a non-subtle difference.
If I were to say you are a moron for thinking we don't have freewill or a choice? Does that not belittle you a bit? As the believer? As the person with the belief?
Ah, yes, because then you would be calling me personally a moron. You'll notice I have never said, to anyone "You're a moron for believing in god", or "You're a moron for being a christian". No. I will however say that christianity has no supportive evidence, and as a whole does a lot more harm than good. This does not constitute an attack on the believer, it constitutes an attack on the idea of god and the organisation of christianity, respectively.
Perhaps I phrased that wrong. What if I were to say... (I just get so frustrated with anti-freewillers stupidity. I hope someday of getting just_one_ moron to see clearly.)
Is that an attack on all anti-freewiller's inteligents or just an attack against their beliefs?
Ah, yes. That one. Not the first time I've taken flak for that one, but you see, my version says "human" stupidity. The point being that it's a universal. Stupidity isn't about what you believe, it's about why you believe what you believe, and how you act upon it.
For instance, if I believe something simply because I want it to be true, and I act on my belief by doing something repulsive like telling everyone else that they need to believe the same thing or be tortured, that's stupidity.
the reason most people don't have peace and freedom is because peace and freedom are only found in Jesus Christ. and if we don't have free will we shouldn't have prisons. you are a gobshite!!
People who are slaves to a non-existent god do not have freedom. Your brainwashing is shining through, I'm afraid.
And regardless of the influences on our choices, they are still OUR choices. Even though they are not "free", there are still right choices and wrong choices.
Shut your ignorant face until you have something useful to contribute. (Which won't be on this channel, because insulting me just got your sad ass blocked.)
I have to protest the blocking of rho4711. kshizzleyo there made a more vulgar remark toward religion. Perhaps everyone should refrain from calling names? We might all go away with a better understanding of one another.
Since I won't be living for that long, there's no chance of that. But don't worry, you religious nutcases will get your wish, I will burn after death. It's called cremation.
I really liked this! I wish others would put their beliefs out there, so succinctly! It makes no difference, if you are or are not, a believer in religion or atheism. A valid point well made, either way, deserves credit!
I believe that your "we as atheists"etc. opening is irrelevent and unnecessary as the rest of the rant has nothing to do with religion vs. atheism, nor does it debunk religion in any way. I, being religious, believe pretty much everything you just said.
Your opening, "I believe reality exists and all there is is reality" etc, doesn't mean much. Because, what is reality after all? A diving into THIS question will lead to religious debate, but I assure you that religious and atheists believe that all there is is reality, and reality is everything. The definition of reality (a definition which has driven philosophers mad for decades) could be debated until the end of time.
You, being religious, I would assume, believe that reality is real. But you believe that certain things beyond observable (key word) reality is real as well. That after all is the meaning of "religious". This is where you and I differ in our opinions.
You seem to really simplify the word real as well as the word "observable". Of course certain things beyond observable reality are real. Even Science admits as such. The Big Bang is beyond Observable reality, as are quarks, etc. The statement "Reality is real" really doesn't mean much of anything.
seeing as the univere's expansion is actually accelerating, the big bang is not enough to explain this and thus is not proven or observable, but merely is a possible explanation for the observable (im not doubting it, just merely pointing out the flaw in your logic). Quarks are also merely an explanation for the observable. The same can be said of God, who is an explanation for the observable (ie, independent conciousness and why it exists, which science has yet to try and answer, etc).
The Big Bang is not an explanation for anything. The Big Bang is an event that happened 13.7±0.2 billion years ago. It has little to do with the current expansion of the universe. It can and has been observed. If by your definition we cannot observe quarks, then we cannot observe ANYTHING ELSE, either, since all we see are photons being reflected after interacting with such things...
With are goverment now there is a very good saying that fits here with everything your saying and everything you believe in and well as me too. Believe none of what you here and half of what you see.I watch the Apollo landing in this way.
the evidance is even more so easily found then that of there being no god or son of man other then that of the one in the sky. Mostly because it just happen hence the easy find. Your very well read so to see that you don't believe in God but do believe we walked on the moon in 69 is qiut proplexing.
I sorry you are 100% wrong even Henry Kissenger and Donald RUmmsfeld have said it was, along with Richard Nixon who just so happens said he wanted it done and Neil Armstrong, all have said it was a hoax and they said it on film.
The film is on the net and NASA recorded it, or so they say! They just studied it and came to the conclusion that not only was it a fake but it was a poor one at that!
I understand I'm not as well reherst or savy on the computer but if you wanted to know you could easyly find it! as the 911 truth member say we are not here to get you to listen only to plant the seed of dought it's your problem to check I7m not going to be able to convice you of anything and I would hope I couldn't.
ook [Usenet; originally and more formally, `net.kook'] Term used to describe a regular poster who continually posts messages with no apparent grounding in reality. Different from a troll, which implies a sort of sly wink on the part of a poster who knows better, kooks really believe what they write, to the extent that they believe anything.
It was a lie. I point of fact at the time they we're of said to went our space ship and space suit we're not enough to with stand the radiation, they would have die (IN SPACE IN 69) That is FACT.
I'd really like to see your evidence for this. Because as far as I can tell, no, that's not a fact.
It's a fact that they weren't properly protected, but not to such an extent that they should have died from it. And this is in fact also why 33 of the 39 Apollo astronauts suffer from cataracts caused by the radiation.
no it dosen't but it's annoying always having to tell people things over and over because they only here there own drival as you speak. Things that are fact are fact, things that are real, are real, and the moon walks have been diffenatively proven as CRAP!! There is know disspution this at all. You can give midea drival but that too is crap!
I agree with everything you said except the part about the moon. They never walked on the moon they payed a hollywood movie company to film it in the Arizona desert, that much was proven as fact. They did it for no other rezone then trying to make the US population feel pride, because of the Russian sputnik and there outerspace missions, but also to fule the Russians into thinking that they had wen't.
While I admit that the incentive would've been enough to perpetrate such a hoax, I have seen no evidence to suggest that it actually was. On the contrary, all the attempts I have seen to "prove" that the moon landing was a hoax, have failed miserably.
The midea may have spun it that way but is has been prover.
1. there's no wind in a non gravity enviernment but when they put in the flag you can see the flag blowing in the wind.
2. On several instances you can see the we they we're walking on the moon that they had wires atached to them and there movments where not what would have been on the moon.
3. and the biggest debunker is that a Japanese film cruw cam to the US to prove it and they found the exact spot in the Arizona Desert where it was filmed.
One of the best points is the camera and the saver tempertures the would have had on the moon yet they still got shots even in -130 temps, hoax! There is so much evedince I could write a novel right here but me not being good at writing I'll leave that to some one else.
Oh sorry too here in Japan they said on TV it was done in Arizona but on thoughs films it say it was done at a movie studio in england in just 1 weekend. Just go's to show how much they think about the American public. There so stupid they can make a film in a weekend and your to stupid to notice. Ah you got to love that government hand job don't ya?
If you have anything that isn't already covered there, I may be tempted to listen. Otherwise, I'm sorry, but this is lumped in with creationism and the 9/11 "Truth" movement.
So your saying you think that 9/11 was really some guys in plains that left there passport on the ground when the building feel down from a fire so hot it melted steal in 2 hours which by the way has never happened in the whole of history?
A) Temperature is the measurement of molecular motion. A vacuum has no temperature. B) They were in sunlight, radiatively warming exposed objects like these. C) You seriously need to head back to grammar school, because your spelling is maybe 3rd grade level. D) Maybe you should write that book instead of filibustering in youtube comments.
Yes I see you are so much smarter then I and this mean I'm some how less of a man and not able to sit with the big boys yes yes. What next? Lets all get together and beat up a fag?
Basically, it comes down to whether we actually can change who we are, or whether our brains come pre-programmed (possibly with a random element in there), I admit that it's a bit overphilosophical, but I really don't think we "choose" anything, at the deepest level of truth, because the outcome of our "choosing" is essentially beyond our control....
That would be pantheism. I don't personally agree with it, but I take no issue with those who do. As long as anthropomorphising isn't involved, anyway.
Simple: nature is a concept, like science is. It can't be conscious. It's like saying nothing is quite red.
Nature is all things which are not built. To build is to bring objects together in a way they would not form by physical laws.
If you mean things IN nature (living objects), then it's quite difficult to call something conscious. A tree can respond to injury, but it has no brain.
Consciousness, to me, is building. Using a tool means consciousness; understanding what a stick is.
Why must the reason be a "who"? Why can't the reason be a "what"?
In my case, the reason I believe what I believe is that it fits together, with itself and with the world I see. My belief that reality is real is the only one of my beliefs for which I cannot present any evidence, everything else follows from that one premise.
If your primary belief is that reality is real (i.e. that we are not stuck in some kind of crazy dream or something) then all of your secondary beliefs that are byproducts of your primary belief are bound to be false. Reality is not real, this that you see all around you is the lucid dream of the Creator.
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This is all His dream that He has been dreaming for Eternity. We are eternal actors in His dream. Our physical bodies can be born and destroyed and we can inhabit a new body after this one dies because nothing is real, it's all His illusion, it's all His dream...
Who is this "He" that you talk about? And where's your evidence?
Oh and, if nothing is real, why even bother debating it? Why bother with anything, really? (Yeah I know, now I'm repeating a standard theist argument... But I genuinely don't get this)
Imagine having three options... Now, you will -always- choose the option which is more beneficial to you, in one way or another. Since you had three options, there is "freedom to choose", but there still isn't free will (since you will always choose the thing most beneficial to you).
Now, imagine having only one option. This means there no longer is freedom to choose, since you cannot compare different options and decide which is more beneficial.
How you explain the fact some people choose to do what is beneficial to other people and not to themselves? In history there are many examples, we call them heroes. There are people who consciously sacrificed their lives to save other people or for a greater cause etch. Please do not tell me that they were sick or something.
One is the "selfish gene" approach, the likelihood that these other people share the genes of the person that sacrifices him/herself.
Another is the "self-definition" approach, which appeals to me on a philosophical level, the idea that as a person matures, he/she includes more and more people in the definition of "self", and thus is willing to sacrifice him/herself for these others.
I enjoyed the video, very nice. That being said, Bah to your comment here. Ain't no good reason to help anyone else, unless it's gonna get you somethin' later. Unless you believe that a Creator cares what you do, you're really not acting rationally unless you're acting selfishly, overall.
am not a doctor but somewhere I read that this is the part of the brain that separates man from other animals. Anyway the selfish gene approach sucks and can be very easily disproved.
jimmys14, consider how you feel when you've help someone in pain or trouble. It makes you feel good about yourself, and boosts your self esteem. There are mechanisms in the brain that allow you to simulate what you see other people experiencing, so we experience a little of what they do. We feel the pains and joys of our fellow humans, and even animals. We can't help but feel bad for a wounded animal, it's just our nature to feel compassion, just as it is our nature to feel hate.
kargaethas, I believe Capn meant that as social creatures, for the most part we have empathy, compassion built-in by nature, socialization into our culture and society and religious beliefs by our parents and peers put restrictions on our personal behavior. Unless someone is true sociopath with no fear of death or violence, it can be argued that only such a individual has a "Free" will to choose to do whatever he/she wants.
wb8594 1 year ago
Is the search for God and the search for knowlege not the same thing,
I think so....because we look for the reson for being..
Does the church encourage this....I don`t think so
Why...because it has more to do with existance and control, than truth.
Is there a God...we don`t Know...!
Should we stop killing each other because we can`t agree.....?
What do you think...?
Peace....!
Igotbadjoints 1 year ago
i have free will [almost]
lolypo890 1 year ago
you only belive in what government and darwin tells you darwin had no proof of his theroy where is the missing link nowhere because it dosnt exist nor has it ever existed on the other hand i have the holy bible you are a shallow person i feel sorry for you i will pray for you to change
hulkanderson39 1 year ago
I believe that I don't know shit, and the claims that Atheists make saying there is no god is just as childish as religious people saying thee is a god; because the truth is we don't know
But one thing I do believe in is whatever you definition of god is (creator, cause, nature, rhythm, events, time, space, etc..), the only way to understand it is through logic and science (give to human by "your" god itself)
stickiesonface 2 years ago
Is it just as childish then, to say that leprechauns or Santa Claus don't exist, as it is to say that they do?
There is the same amount of evidence for those as there is for any "god": None.
But no, I can't prove that there is no such thing as a "god". But until there is some evidence that such a thing exists, I have no more reason to take it seriously than I would Santa.
CapnOrdinary 2 years ago
@stickiesonface total bullshit. God was created by humans who trough fear an ignorance made up a series of myths to explain reality.
marcdepuma 7 months ago
Why do you believe there is no such thing as free will?
kargaethas 2 years ago
i don't belive that just being is enough, or of any purpose. i believe our purpose is to receive and to give love. and i belive that love and free will are the same thing.
zragisha 2 years ago
i dont understand... why do you spend your time disproving religion?? just go and have fun. go find another purpose for your life "what is a man who does not make this world better???" just live and let live then go do something good and make ppl happy
May Allah guide us to the straight path.
evoneeing 2 years ago
A circumstantial personal attack fallacy is not a proper way to formulate a good argument. To be honest, he makes the world a better place, by educating the masses and informing them of his opinion, all the while using proper and valid arguments.
havoc873 2 years ago
what stops you from causing harm to others if you are free to do as you will.....and why do humans seem to have a concience and a general belief in a higher being------> God put it in us to want to believe these things are innate and natural....not believing is unnatural (and you know believing in something higher is very natural in nations from the past all over the world and even now but society changes us)
evoneeing 2 years ago
You mention the word.."my life more precious" - dosn't that word lose its meaning if you do not have a soul? - if your just a biological product of a coincidence?
fjapjoe 2 years ago
chuckles
"I believe that smoking can kill me... I believe I'm smoking right now..."
chuckles
Shadizar666 2 years ago
As a Deist I believe in a higher highly impersonal power, but the rest of my beliefs resonate with those in the video completely.
shiz777 2 years ago
I believe that people who believe too much tend to be douches. I believe that If people cared a little less about where we come from or were we are going and more about enjoyment life would be better for all. I believe that when we die, we will probably end up in a afterlife, what kind I do not know or care. All I know is when I die I will find out. I also believe that Humor is the most important quality a person can have. that's some of what I believe.
skatfree 2 years ago
ur an idiot...
stevesinphx 2 years ago
Well then I believe you're a douch. lol... just kidin... I do believe that you're very VERY right on the humor thing. Humor is very important and without it we only have everything else..... and what good is everything else if you can't laugh about it now and then? : )
LouSingy1 2 years ago
"I believe that humanity is actively trying to kill itself. I believe that humanity does not want to die."
If only the rest of humanity would listen to this... I sincerely believe that we, as a species, will not survive happily for long if the majority of us remain oblivious to what we are doing... either oblivious or we don't care.
kleenexpwnsu 2 years ago
You believe in many things you are a very religious man :)
VyckRo 2 years ago
"You believe in many things you are a very religious man :) "
Not sure if you're just joking, or if you're serious (or somewhere in between).
Whatever the case may be, I am not "religious", because I do not create a social, ritualistic, or dogmatic structure around any of my beliefs, and I am willing to change any of them - if I am compelled by evidence to do so.
CapnOrdinary 2 years ago
So so.. Reason of life?
Breeding? Purpose of that? To make the specie/race survive... Why? To die?
gombie 3 years ago
Not sure what your point is?
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
Purpose of life for biology is to propogate our genes. Purpose of life for humans are what you make of it and what you believe in, real or illusion.
shiz777 3 years ago
Yes, that's pretty much what i believe.. I don't believe in absolute truth.. I believe the truth is ratiometric..
gombie 3 years ago
You exist. Why do you assume that there has to be a "reason"?
Neuwo 2 years ago
My existance is indifferent without reason.
gombie 2 years ago
@gombie There is no "reason for life" only egotistical humans believe there must be one.
marcdepuma 7 months ago
@marcdepuma
I choose solipsism. What i believe, is real.
gombie 7 months ago
look at all the picsures....... And theres no god... Thats butifull... Did this just happen :] jesus loves u even tho u dont love him
Silentsnipe11 3 years ago
"Did this just happen"
No, it didn't "just happen". It's a product of billions of years of physics and millions of years of evolution.
And if beauty is evidence that god exists, wouldn't ugliness and disease be evidence that he doesn't? Sorry, doesn't work that way.
"jesus loves u"
Then why doesn't he ever call me?
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
Beauty is only what you make it. If it's not, what is stopping science from making beautiful things?
Your mother is quite beautiful, and science created her.
onnet7 3 years ago
I could not have phrased it any better. Excellent!
You mentioned, that you 'believe in no such thing as absolute time.' Under relativity, it does not allow for absolute time, perhaps it is not accurate to say that it is a belief but rather fact.
hiraku0n 3 years ago
I'm going to admit at this point that I haven't understood relativity well enough to be able to say that with certainty. So for me at least it is a belief, although it may also be a fact (kind of like "I believe the earth moves around the sun").
And thank you for your kind words :)
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
If there is no free will, there is no freedom.
ssvideosyt 3 years ago
"If there is no free will, there is no freedom."
I have to disagree with you there.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
I believe you're right!
SecularIran 3 years ago
i believe that your are right! or closer to the truth than most religious morons.
I salute you.
Peace!
aymqo 3 years ago 2
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jc2060 3 years ago
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your believe is full of shit. you believe in all the space crap, the evidence for this are cheep propaganda pictures, and your shiddy society formed mind. you changed the synonymes - nature into god... i believe in absolute time, and a dome above the earth. we cant see so far, the sky isn´t clear, it is full of mist. our visable spectrum is bounded. our views don´t reatch further than 100 km.-fuck off the infinite emptiness -
hollow0rld 3 years ago
Why don't you get a telescope and prove for yourself that all the "space crap" is cheep propaganda.
10secstomeltdown 3 years ago
We shouldn't give these comments thumbs down, there absolutely hilarious.
mrasmussen10 3 years ago 3
Interesting video!
turxxx 3 years ago 2
ok... just a different view on the word reason... I think I take it more in the human oriented purpose sense and you take it in the cause sense. question answered. thanks.
TeaSpoon2008 3 years ago
how do you reconcile your no free will belief with your everything happens for a reason belief
TeaSpoon2008 3 years ago
They are actually the same belief, the belief in complete causality, or predeterminism. Of course, on a quantum level determinism doesn't actually apply, so that particular belief kinda collapses when viewed from that angle.... But I would need to do a lot more philosophizing to reach a meaningful conclusion to that train of thought, and since that very idea makes me yawn, I haven't so far.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
ignoring your quantum concerns, complete causality leads to a lack of free will agreed... but in my opinion complete causality also leads to a world without reason so I'm having trouble understanding your "everything happens for a reason" when reason is just a man made concept and doesn't truly exist in a deterministic world?
TeaSpoon2008 3 years ago
I think that depends on what you mean by "reason". Everything happens for a reason, in a predeterministic sense, to me at least, means that everything that happens is caused by something else, which was caused by something else, etc. back to singularity.
This is also why I stated that most reasons for things happening aren't very good ones.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
Wow lets all listen to a monotone atheist!
May Jesus find you all.
John 3:16
volman9353 3 years ago
Or we could all pay attention to the biblethumper spewing bible verses. John 3:16 is the best you've got?
God loved us so much he gave his only son to save us?
I wish you people would at least consider bringing something remotely believable to the table.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
Cognito ergo sum
slicydicy1 3 years ago
"I believe that reality is real."
Uberness.
That sums it all up.
CommonOddity 3 years ago
I believe life's worth living well, we're Nature's "super-brats in our technological adolescence and pushing it! And, synthetic realities "like blind-faith religion" and clear awareness are incompatible.
danielnz1 3 years ago
They just plausibly found a new "universe". so the word universe has a hole different meaning :D
zone710 3 years ago
I believe that you are right sir! And I believe that spirituality must come from within ones self! It must be something you feel with in yourself and NOT from something you read from text! If you are going to believe in what is written in the bible? You may as well believe what is written in the Koran! it is damn near the same thing! Except of course the killing and beheadings and... But I Exacerbated myself! Now, this coming from someone that believes in God... Go figure!
MaXG65 3 years ago
I figure I'll be cased down by the "reborn"!
So be it! And according to the definition? That would be me also!
MaXG65 3 years ago
I LOVE YOU
espadakatsuki 3 years ago
yep i beileve that to
eileengoth 3 years ago
A very good statement of beliefs. I appreciate that you feel Thiests like me could share many of them.
I'm Presbyterian and have had issues with predestination, but you seem to make a convincing argument for it. I hope you see the irony.
RabbitEars001 3 years ago
Could you explain what you mean by:
"I beleive there is no such thing as freewill".
It seems like an odd belief.
nimrodts 4 years ago
Why is that odd? It seems quite obvious to me. Our decisions are influenced by millions of things in our surroundings and within our own bodies and brain chemistry. The causes are so chaotic and complex that we think we "decide" to do something, but at the deepest level of reality, nobody ever "decides" anything. Dendrophilian made an excellent video explaining the position, you should check it out.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
So your saying that our destinies are set. We are only given the illusion, through chaos theory, of choice?
MaXG65 3 years ago
Pretty much, yeah.
Of course, on a practical level we still have a choice, and our choices still matter. But in the end, the choice is no more "ours" than being born was.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
So now the question is, "who" are we?
You said that: "our decisions are influenced by our brain's chemistry". But aren't WE our brain's chemistry. You're saying it as if we and are brain is a different entity.
nimrodts 3 years ago
Well, yeah, we are our brains (and our bodies, the two are not separate entities, and in a different body our brain would likely behave very differently).
The point is, our conscious decision making process is not "free". I believe in will, I just don't believe in "free" will. Nobody is ever really "free" to choose. But, as I've said before, this is just something I believe, I can't really back it up other than to say that it makes sense to me that this is the way it works.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
Ah... "But, as I've said before, this is just something I believe, I can't really back it up other than to say that it makes sense to me that this is the way it works." Now you know how a person that believe in a God feels.
MaXG65 3 years ago
MaXG85 definitley definitley
god bless
benlsl 3 years ago
I already knew how a person that believes in a god feels. I was a christian for 25 years.
The difference is, I base my beliefs on skepticism, you base yours on blind faith.
I do not condemn anyone based on my beliefs, your beliefs would have you condemn the majority of the world to an eternity of torment.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
My belief would not condemn anyone for their beliefs. I'm no one to judge someone according to their religious beliefs or non beliefs. But I know what you mean. Like I've said. I believe that if a person lives a moral, (i.e. no cold blooded murder, don't thieve from others.) etc, etc, life. Then heaven is achieved in what ever after life there might be. Whether that heaven is an eternal spiritual life or just a millisecond of the flickering of two neurons as they transfer their last thoughts.
MaXG65 3 years ago
You could even say that you have faith (confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something- to have a conviction) You have faith that there is no such thing as "freewill". Now I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking you, I'm really not. Just making a point. You do condemn people based on your beliefs. You condemn their beliefs with the way you talk about christianity and God. You condemn them as stupid or moronic!
MaXG65 3 years ago
I most certainly do not! As I said before, I was a christian for 25 years. I have rarely had to consider myself stupid or moronic (although admittedly, that has happened). Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Skepticism does. And no, I don't condemn christians, or muslims, or any other kind of believers. I condemn the religion, not the religious. There's a non-subtle difference.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
If I were to say you are a moron for thinking we don't have freewill or a choice? Does that not belittle you a bit? As the believer? As the person with the belief?
MaXG65 3 years ago
Ah, yes, because then you would be calling me personally a moron. You'll notice I have never said, to anyone "You're a moron for believing in god", or "You're a moron for being a christian". No. I will however say that christianity has no supportive evidence, and as a whole does a lot more harm than good. This does not constitute an attack on the believer, it constitutes an attack on the idea of god and the organisation of christianity, respectively.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
Perhaps I phrased that wrong. What if I were to say... (I just get so frustrated with anti-freewillers stupidity. I hope someday of getting just_one_ moron to see clearly.)
Is that an attack on all anti-freewiller's inteligents or just an attack against their beliefs?
MaXG65 3 years ago
Ah, yes. That one. Not the first time I've taken flak for that one, but you see, my version says "human" stupidity. The point being that it's a universal. Stupidity isn't about what you believe, it's about why you believe what you believe, and how you act upon it.
For instance, if I believe something simply because I want it to be true, and I act on my belief by doing something repulsive like telling everyone else that they need to believe the same thing or be tortured, that's stupidity.
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
Fair enough...
MaXG65 3 years ago
wow never thought of decision making like that.
benlsl 3 years ago
the reason most people don't have peace and freedom is because peace and freedom are only found in Jesus Christ. and if we don't have free will we shouldn't have prisons. you are a gobshite!!
rho4711 4 years ago
People who are slaves to a non-existent god do not have freedom. Your brainwashing is shining through, I'm afraid.
And regardless of the influences on our choices, they are still OUR choices. Even though they are not "free", there are still right choices and wrong choices.
Shut your ignorant face until you have something useful to contribute. (Which won't be on this channel, because insulting me just got your sad ass blocked.)
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
I have to protest the blocking of rho4711. kshizzleyo there made a more vulgar remark toward religion. Perhaps everyone should refrain from calling names? We might all go away with a better understanding of one another.
MaXG65 3 years ago
i believe you will be SMOKING for eternity
nryeomans 4 years ago
Since I won't be living for that long, there's no chance of that. But don't worry, you religious nutcases will get your wish, I will burn after death. It's called cremation.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
dear CapnOrdinary, thank you for this video. it is one of my favorites and i appreciate it a great deal.
nitzer93 4 years ago
I believe in myself in order to believe in everything else...
rodssslive 4 years ago
"I believe that everyone has the right to choose their own way of life. I believe there is no such thing as free will."
Amen.
Linka70 4 years ago
the messengers of allah the absolute have been,b4 us stands ressurection,....
naqsh3 4 years ago
Hmmmf. Whatever you say.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
You are amazing... i totally believe in you!!!
Prekash14 4 years ago
I believe 90% of what you have just spoken,and I am an incorrigible Theist.
AuroraKismet 4 years ago
Fuck your religion, it has caused so much fucking shit. Someone get the cunt a rope.
KShizZleyo 4 years ago
"I believe that no one should have to cry at my funeral...but I believe that some will."
While that's not the exact quote, that was a very profound one. I liked it :).
Lareau135 4 years ago
I really liked this! I wish others would put their beliefs out there, so succinctly! It makes no difference, if you are or are not, a believer in religion or atheism. A valid point well made, either way, deserves credit!
Spooky4137 4 years ago
capordanary i totally agree, and this is just common sense, only religios idiots think other vhis.
Sorry for bad languge!!
system0slaven 4 years ago
Amen, if you will forgive the irony.
ArchMageZeratuL 4 years ago
I believe that your "we as atheists"etc. opening is irrelevent and unnecessary as the rest of the rant has nothing to do with religion vs. atheism, nor does it debunk religion in any way. I, being religious, believe pretty much everything you just said.
Pwells1 4 years ago
Your opening, "I believe reality exists and all there is is reality" etc, doesn't mean much. Because, what is reality after all? A diving into THIS question will lead to religious debate, but I assure you that religious and atheists believe that all there is is reality, and reality is everything. The definition of reality (a definition which has driven philosophers mad for decades) could be debated until the end of time.
Pwells1 4 years ago
So that first belief of yours, on its own as a statement, doesn't really mean that much.
Pwells1 4 years ago
You, being religious, I would assume, believe that reality is real. But you believe that certain things beyond observable (key word) reality is real as well. That after all is the meaning of "religious". This is where you and I differ in our opinions.
I do make rants. This is not, IMO, one of them.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
You seem to really simplify the word real as well as the word "observable". Of course certain things beyond observable reality are real. Even Science admits as such. The Big Bang is beyond Observable reality, as are quarks, etc. The statement "Reality is real" really doesn't mean much of anything.
Pwells1 4 years ago
The big bang is observable, via redshift.
Quarks are observable (although not visible), via their interactions (since quarks are only found in triplets, in neutrons, protons and so on).
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
seeing as the univere's expansion is actually accelerating, the big bang is not enough to explain this and thus is not proven or observable, but merely is a possible explanation for the observable (im not doubting it, just merely pointing out the flaw in your logic). Quarks are also merely an explanation for the observable. The same can be said of God, who is an explanation for the observable (ie, independent conciousness and why it exists, which science has yet to try and answer, etc).
Pwells1 4 years ago
Where does independent consciousness exist?
If my brain dies, my consciousness goes with it.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
The Big Bang is not an explanation for anything. The Big Bang is an event that happened 13.7±0.2 billion years ago. It has little to do with the current expansion of the universe. It can and has been observed. If by your definition we cannot observe quarks, then we cannot observe ANYTHING ELSE, either, since all we see are photons being reflected after interacting with such things...
ArchMageZeratuL 4 years ago
i agree
aztecAmericanpride 4 years ago
I agree with your sentiments, Capn.
EricMetalGuitarist 4 years ago
no smoking but freedom is great!.. truly is, thx for this vid..
Jtea 4 years ago
and I believe you!
Romulo282838 4 years ago
With are goverment now there is a very good saying that fits here with everything your saying and everything you believe in and well as me too. Believe none of what you here and half of what you see.I watch the Apollo landing in this way.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
In case you're wondering: Yes, you are now blocked.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
the evidance is even more so easily found then that of there being no god or son of man other then that of the one in the sky. Mostly because it just happen hence the easy find. Your very well read so to see that you don't believe in God but do believe we walked on the moon in 69 is qiut proplexing.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
Moon landing a hoax? Typical conspiracy theory nonsense. Every single piece of so-called hoax evidence has been disproved.
Badbark 4 years ago
I sorry you are 100% wrong even Henry Kissenger and Donald RUmmsfeld have said it was, along with Richard Nixon who just so happens said he wanted it done and Neil Armstrong, all have said it was a hoax and they said it on film.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
Where is this film then? And who recorded it? And how do you know it wasn't a clever edit?
And again: Where's the evidence? All you've brought to the table so far is debunked on the page I linked to, among many others.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
The film is on the net and NASA recorded it, or so they say! They just studied it and came to the conclusion that not only was it a fake but it was a poor one at that!
RichCrisler 4 years ago
I believe in anything that has convincing supporting evidence.
The existence of supernatural beings of any kind does not.
The moon landing does.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
I understand I'm not as well reherst or savy on the computer but if you wanted to know you could easyly find it! as the 911 truth member say we are not here to get you to listen only to plant the seed of dought it's your problem to check I7m not going to be able to convice you of anything and I would hope I couldn't.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
Don't tell me you're a 911 Troofer as well?
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Yes I am and I'm not sorry about it either!
RichCrisler 4 years ago
In that case, I'm terminating this discussion right here.
I can't argue with someone who's capable of denying reality to that extent. Peace.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
ook [Usenet; originally and more formally, `net.kook'] Term used to describe a regular poster who continually posts messages with no apparent grounding in reality. Different from a troll, which implies a sort of sly wink on the part of a poster who knows better, kooks really believe what they write, to the extent that they believe anything.
Badbark 4 years ago
It was a lie. I point of fact at the time they we're of said to went our space ship and space suit we're not enough to with stand the radiation, they would have die (IN SPACE IN 69) That is FACT.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
I'd really like to see your evidence for this. Because as far as I can tell, no, that's not a fact.
It's a fact that they weren't properly protected, but not to such an extent that they should have died from it. And this is in fact also why 33 of the 39 Apollo astronauts suffer from cataracts caused by the radiation.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Search this on youtube.
Moon Landing A Fake or Fact part1
RichCrisler 4 years ago
Funny how the nuts always have to spell 'fact' in all caps. Like that makes it one.
anonymistake 4 years ago
no it dosen't but it's annoying always having to tell people things over and over because they only here there own drival as you speak. Things that are fact are fact, things that are real, are real, and the moon walks have been diffenatively proven as CRAP!! There is know disspution this at all. You can give midea drival but that too is crap!
RichCrisler 4 years ago
I agree with everything you said except the part about the moon. They never walked on the moon they payed a hollywood movie company to film it in the Arizona desert, that much was proven as fact. They did it for no other rezone then trying to make the US population feel pride, because of the Russian sputnik and there outerspace missions, but also to fule the Russians into thinking that they had wen't.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
While I admit that the incentive would've been enough to perpetrate such a hoax, I have seen no evidence to suggest that it actually was. On the contrary, all the attempts I have seen to "prove" that the moon landing was a hoax, have failed miserably.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
The midea may have spun it that way but is has been prover.
1. there's no wind in a non gravity enviernment but when they put in the flag you can see the flag blowing in the wind.
2. On several instances you can see the we they we're walking on the moon that they had wires atached to them and there movments where not what would have been on the moon.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
3. and the biggest debunker is that a Japanese film cruw cam to the US to prove it and they found the exact spot in the Arizona Desert where it was filmed.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
One of the best points is the camera and the saver tempertures the would have had on the moon yet they still got shots even in -130 temps, hoax! There is so much evedince I could write a novel right here but me not being good at writing I'll leave that to some one else.
RichCrisler 4 years ago
Oh sorry too here in Japan they said on TV it was done in Arizona but on thoughs films it say it was done at a movie studio in england in just 1 weekend. Just go's to show how much they think about the American public. There so stupid they can make a film in a weekend and your to stupid to notice. Ah you got to love that government hand job don't ya?
RichCrisler 4 years ago
Go through this page:
redzero(DOT)demon(DOT)co(DOT)uk/moonhoax/
If you have anything that isn't already covered there, I may be tempted to listen. Otherwise, I'm sorry, but this is lumped in with creationism and the 9/11 "Truth" movement.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
So your saying you think that 9/11 was really some guys in plains that left there passport on the ground when the building feel down from a fire so hot it melted steal in 2 hours which by the way has never happened in the whole of history?
RichCrisler 4 years ago
A) Temperature is the measurement of molecular motion. A vacuum has no temperature. B) They were in sunlight, radiatively warming exposed objects like these. C) You seriously need to head back to grammar school, because your spelling is maybe 3rd grade level. D) Maybe you should write that book instead of filibustering in youtube comments.
anonymistake 4 years ago
Yes I see you are so much smarter then I and this mean I'm some how less of a man and not able to sit with the big boys yes yes. What next? Lets all get together and beat up a fag?
RichCrisler 4 years ago
Why don't you believe in free will?
Stryder467 4 years ago
See my answer to DeBeuk's comment earlier.
Basically, it comes down to whether we actually can change who we are, or whether our brains come pre-programmed (possibly with a random element in there), I admit that it's a bit overphilosophical, but I really don't think we "choose" anything, at the deepest level of truth, because the outcome of our "choosing" is essentially beyond our control....
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Hmmm, I'm not sure if that made sense. I think I'm going to have to make a video on this topic some time.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
I believe you are trying to describe the Matrix.
matrixcmitech 4 years ago
Fair enough ;o)
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Someone might've. I haven't. Poorly researched "documentaries" have never really interested me much ;o)
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
So what is nature then? You've assigned a term to something yet you've left it undefined.
"If our consciousness is produced by nature, then how could nature not be conscious itself"
shrunkensimon 4 years ago
That would be pantheism. I don't personally agree with it, but I take no issue with those who do. As long as anthropomorphising isn't involved, anyway.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Simple: nature is a concept, like science is. It can't be conscious. It's like saying nothing is quite red.
Nature is all things which are not built. To build is to bring objects together in a way they would not form by physical laws.
If you mean things IN nature (living objects), then it's quite difficult to call something conscious. A tree can respond to injury, but it has no brain.
Consciousness, to me, is building. Using a tool means consciousness; understanding what a stick is.
philip1201 4 years ago
Well said =)
ThatOneQuestion 4 years ago
I believe this is your most beautiful video yet. *.*
applestar132 4 years ago
Well said, Capn.
civisromae 4 years ago
that put a smile on my face, I believe that 1:43 is the most beautiful place in the universe.
thequestionmarkofGod 4 years ago
But every believe need a reason, bur who is the reason for your believe?
Markusdiaz 4 years ago
Why must the reason be a "who"? Why can't the reason be a "what"?
In my case, the reason I believe what I believe is that it fits together, with itself and with the world I see. My belief that reality is real is the only one of my beliefs for which I cannot present any evidence, everything else follows from that one premise.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
If your primary belief is that reality is real (i.e. that we are not stuck in some kind of crazy dream or something) then all of your secondary beliefs that are byproducts of your primary belief are bound to be false. Reality is not real, this that you see all around you is the lucid dream of the Creator.
orangemirage 4 years ago
Which makes believing anything a rather pointless endeavor.
XGralgrathor 4 years ago 2
Prove it.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This is all His dream that He has been dreaming for Eternity. We are eternal actors in His dream. Our physical bodies can be born and destroyed and we can inhabit a new body after this one dies because nothing is real, it's all His illusion, it's all His dream...
orangemirage 4 years ago
Who is this "He" that you talk about? And where's your evidence?
Oh and, if nothing is real, why even bother debating it? Why bother with anything, really? (Yeah I know, now I'm repeating a standard theist argument... But I genuinely don't get this)
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Very insightful. Especially the part where you mention the purpose of human life.
Outsider451 4 years ago
Belief is for those who need to believe.
Belief is for those who do not have knowledge.
Knowledge is for the non-believers.
Knowledge is for the Knowers of Reality.
Jai Maharishi.
SatwaMan 4 years ago
I believe in free will
Jimmys01 4 years ago
i believe...that this made me cry
Berch19 4 years ago
I'm sorry about that. Hope it was the good kind of tears.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Am back now,Ordinary bwahahahaha
Dalbert342 4 years ago
Welcome back :) Hope you had a nice trip.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
I really enjoyed hearing you share your beliefs-I think they are very profound.
phenixwryter 4 years ago 2
Imagine having three options... Now, you will -always- choose the option which is more beneficial to you, in one way or another. Since you had three options, there is "freedom to choose", but there still isn't free will (since you will always choose the thing most beneficial to you).
Now, imagine having only one option. This means there no longer is freedom to choose, since you cannot compare different options and decide which is more beneficial.
"Free will" as we imagine it, is not.
BinaryT 4 years ago 2
Precisely my opinion. Very well put, thank you.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
How you explain the fact some people choose to do what is beneficial to other people and not to themselves? In history there are many examples, we call them heroes. There are people who consciously sacrificed their lives to save other people or for a greater cause etch. Please do not tell me that they were sick or something.
jimmys14 4 years ago
There are several ways to look at this.
One is the "selfish gene" approach, the likelihood that these other people share the genes of the person that sacrifices him/herself.
Another is the "self-definition" approach, which appeals to me on a philosophical level, the idea that as a person matures, he/she includes more and more people in the definition of "self", and thus is willing to sacrifice him/herself for these others.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
I enjoyed the video, very nice. That being said, Bah to your comment here. Ain't no good reason to help anyone else, unless it's gonna get you somethin' later. Unless you believe that a Creator cares what you do, you're really not acting rationally unless you're acting selfishly, overall.
audzekiel 4 years ago
Maybe this is happening because the upper level
of the brain is being developed all that time. I
am not a doctor but somewhere I read that this is the part of the brain that separates man from other animals. Anyway the selfish gene approach sucks and can be very easily disproved.
jimmys14 4 years ago
jimmys14, consider how you feel when you've help someone in pain or trouble. It makes you feel good about yourself, and boosts your self esteem. There are mechanisms in the brain that allow you to simulate what you see other people experiencing, so we experience a little of what they do. We feel the pains and joys of our fellow humans, and even animals. We can't help but feel bad for a wounded animal, it's just our nature to feel compassion, just as it is our nature to feel hate.
theinquisitor 4 years ago