RSX: Reality Synthesizer -part 2

[d3tach3d]

that shader and sub surface scattering demo wasnt real-time.. Ive never seen anything out to date that comes close to how nice that looked

[Usul573]

@d3tach3d

The Luna demo at the start?

You can go download that right now at Nvidia's website provided you have any modern half-way decent Nvidia graphics card.

Made for the 7800GTX which is basically what the RSX is, it ran on my 9400M G which is weaker but newer.

Come on modern graphics are capable of all sorts of insane shaders and stuff.

[d3tach3d]

@Usul573 great reply. Its good to hear an opposing comment that isn't insulting. Now that i think about it I can see how it might be real-time. But you know how these things work. Im sure that demo is maxing out everything. Graphics like these couldnt be applied to retail games with all the Textures - Data - Geometry - Physics - AI - Big Environments - Etc.) This was merely a small Scene with every ounce of power dedicated to it. Man that SSS was yummie though!

[Usul573]

@d3tach3d

Yeah a demo is to show off a technology, how a game turns out is different.

Sometimes it seems like games don't really use the technology demoed until a long time later. It's cool to check out some of the older demos sometimes, they can be neat.

[Xneloangelo]

Omg imagine if this was combined with the cell. Oops it already is.

[UNCHARTED9444]

people don't like pc gaming a because its more easy to used a ps3 ps3 game look good like UC2, noone care about Crysis or how good it look on pc, Crysis only got a 3 out or 5 on xplay so its not a good game any way like god of war3 of UC2, game that will never be on pc

[winternight119]

It's so funny how he's describing her in the most romantic way he can think of. XDDD

[Usul573]

Haha, Luna at the start looks horrible compared to Uncharted 2 models.

[SquinteyedSniper]

lieees! 99% of new gen console games native resolution barely reach the hd ready resolustion (1280x720) and are just upscaled to 1080p (2Kx1K)

[xkorishx]

I agree, I'm an engineer working for the Sony gpu processor development and I used to test the sony's processors for hours. The max resolution I was allowed to apply was 1366*984 on order to keep them from burning)

[SquinteyedSniper]

yeah, tell me about it... I worked for devoloping the xbox 360, and the max resolution it acctually runs is 320x240...

[xkorishx]

Hmm, pretty interesting. I heard if you buy a Wifi adapter oyu get 1080p.

[SquinteyedSniper]

yeah, thank God that wifi adapter has a democratic price.

[xkorishx]

I could tell you how to brick a usual wifi adaptor to use it with x360 but Bill will bill me a huge bill.

[risseer]

You fail go away,your no engineer esp for sony.Just keep your mouth shut and move on scrub.

[Lebron23KING23James]

no 1920x1080 only 360 upscales

[risseer]

Hell some of the 3rd party games don't get to 720p..That goes on both consoles.Tho devs can be really lazy or rushing the game out.

[Usul573]

@risseer

It might be to get the best FPS/quality possible.

The COD games are native 600p, and fully upscaled. Run at 60 FPS.

Looks pretty good to me.

[risseer]

@Usul573 Ya i don't think Cod looks that good the textures are really low rez.If you look at Killzone 2 the textures look really good for a console with limited ram.

[Usul573]

@risseer

You know I was playing some Halo 1, MW2 DOES have pretty good textures.

Some could be better.

[clintony3000]

@Usul573 Well it's not horrible to look at, however, Infinity Ward could have done way better.

[Razza6669]

all noobs ... go play crysis on big screen and than go play killzone 2 on big full hd screen and than talking where is the better graphic

i say in killzone 2 is better graphic because i play crysis on max and big screen and killzone 2 too but its was very hard apreciate where is better graphic

[lamjer68]

Your poor English doesn't help you back up your case.

[risseer]

I agree esp since crysis needs a beast pc to run on ultra high.Crysis at high still doesn't outshine Kz2.

[Usul573]

Dunno, I like the style of Crysis a bit more, KZ2 is very good, but mostly kinda brown or gray, while Crysis has such gorgeous settings.

I like Uncharted 2 as a game and visually more than KZ2.

[risseer]

Well if you play Crysis with a older pc and can't run it at high settings and resolution it isn't that great looking.

[solidsnackumzzz]

The CELL's individual Spe's can alleviate the graphical workload of the RSX and therefore improve the overall graphical output of the PS3, just so you know. Look at amazing looking exclusive games like MGS4 and Killzone 2 that can't be touched graphical.

[AscendedSaiyan3]

Did you know that the SPEs didn't help the RSX in MGS4? Kojima Productions weren't that familiar with those abilities at the time. However, they did know how to take FULL advantage of the HDD. This is a guess, but I would say they probably used 40% of the Cell's clock cycles. I bet Kojima didn't know something like Killzone 2 could be made on the PS3 at that time. He is probably floored by Uncharted 2 (you know he's seen it)

[solidsnackumzzz]

thats something. MGS4 still looks amazing, debated as the best looking game graphically. Personally love the art style.

[AscendedSaiyan3]

Me, too!

[blueballgamer]

crysis rapes killzone 2? really why not considering your video card costs over 400 dollars alone and shit im not rich, TREY 4 life

[AscendedSaiyan3]

They are wrong, blueballgamer. Here are the things that Killzone 2 has that Crysis doesn't have or Killzone 2 does better/have more of: animations, A.I., characters on screen, gun models, particle collision physics, burning cloth physics, physics based weather, 7.1 DISCRETE LPCM audio, particle effects, and 340+ more DYNAMIC lights in a scene.

They are wrong about what game does the raping.

[hollow334]

killzone 2 does look good, but the technology in the ps3 is already 3 to 4 years old now.

[AscendedSaiyan3]

hollow334, the Cell is 2 1/2 years old but it is a future technology that not even Intel hasn't beat yet.

All the skeptics have to do is look at the screenshots for Uncharted 2 to understand that the PS3 is something PC fanboys are having a hard time with. Not to mention PC gamers don't have anywhere near the amount of DISCRETE 5.1/7.1 LPCM audio games that the PS3 has (not even Crysis).

The synergy between the Cell and RSX is what PC people can't seem to grasp. The surprises will continue.

[hollow334]

"future technology" that can't even reach the same power as a 9800 GX2 or over, future technology my balls.

[AscendedSaiyan3]

Yet look at Uncharted 2 screenshots. 'Nuff said. Some people just need to get over their hang-ups. Just open your eyes and see.

[hollow334]

i just saw the screenshots, i'm still not impressed.

[solidsnackumzzz]

nice, good to know somwbody else feels killzone 2 looks better than crysis. Just won over a 3 week dispute against 10 or so pc gamers.

[AscendedSaiyan3]

solidsnackumuzz, it's not about me feeling one way or the other. Killzone 2 is TECHNICALLY superior to Crysis. It can be proven. "Looks" can not. Crysis kills Killzone 2 in textures, though. The stuff I have listed below are things that Killzone 2 beats Crysis in.

[solidsnackumzzz]

all the same. Still good to know.

[RABZI1972]

the rsx is marred 2 the cell . u cant compare 2 an ordinary gpu 4 a pc . u heard the man x 2... 6800 ultras do u think he is lying

[DarthXephron]

thats true thats why more people need to watch this video to see what is best in this case, the ps3. just as soon as more games come out for the ps3 xbox sales will go down in time. but i don't think people will stop buying ps2's. the ps2 is still out selling a next gen system. i see a great future for sony and i hope to work for that company one day

[slaveknight]

man ps3's sales is getting low these days

[Hellsing2o2]

Because they are showing a tech demo for the 7800 leads me to believe that the RSX really is just a 7800GTX 256mb modified to work in a console. Its funny how they tout how powerful the RSX is there at E3 2005, But the PS3 didn't come out until almost 2007, and by then the RSX sucked big time, Mainly because of the 8800GTX which came out before the PS3.

[CaptainRidley]

It seems more of a custom 7800. Uncharted, MGS4, UTIII, and Killzone 2 all look great. Seems more of a an OC 7800

[rahman212]

man its been awhile now they have a geforce 9800 series which still cant even properly run games like crises to its full potensial...back in e3 05 sony showed its games like killzone 2 looking way better then any game we see in the today...including crysis....there for i totally think they jus over exajurated and got peoples hopes up...fuekn company!

[redstarstudios]

dude, who cares, it still looks awesome and is that not the job of a gpu?

[chee006]

yes I now wat you mean the RSX doest seem like a great video card compared to todays video card but the ps3 is just a console and its meant to run games so the PS3 is build for runing games unlike the PC it has to do multitasking web browsing and much more,that is why the PC requres alot of rams so generally not technically the RSX is equivalent to todays Geforce 8800 if not better.

[Appule69]

A PC can be built just to play games, and can be just as efficient as a console. And no, the RSX is not as good as the 8800, nor will it ever be. Devs are restricted quite a bit with the consoles. They cannot handle the incredible resolutions that the PC can do, the majority of console games are restricted to something like 1024x600, while I can easily play the same games in 2048x1536 if I wanted, and it would run butter smooth.

[DILDOlover]

A PC will never be as efficient as a console for games because developers don't optimize for never changing hardware. That is why consoles can run games so well on weaker hardware. Developers can sit down and squeeze amazing things out of the hardware because they know what it is and they know it will always be that. Granted there is some limitation.

[Appule69]

They can squeeze every little drop of performance out of the PS3/360, but the games will never look better, or as good as the 8800 or better cards. Far Cry 2 looks amazing, but remember it's running at only 1024x600, as opposed to 1680x1050 or higher with AA/AF on an 8800, as the consoles could never handle it.

[Appule69]

7800 GTX could probably even achieve better performance then the RSX at higher resolutions, since it has more RAM, and isn't stripped of anything.

[DILDOlover]

I know you can get stronger hardware in a PC and have games look better, but it will never be as efficiently used as in a console. Killzone 2 is on;y matched graphically by Crysis, and we both know you need a monster machine to run that game on uber mode.

[Appule69]

Thats because it's probably the only game to use the cell to help render graphics (you know sony's insistence on using cell instead of just getting a better GPU). And the amount of time it's taking to make the game is good evidence of this. Even still, Crysis is much better looking IMO.

[DILDOlover]

I know, and that's not even maxing out the cell. It uses 60% of the power on 4 of the 6 usable SPUs during the most graphic intensive parts of the game. Crysis is a better looking game, which is why I said Killzone 2 is only matched by it, and Crysis Warhead which looks better then Crysis.

[7StringFury]

To Dildolover:

Your idiotic comment about how Killzone 2's graphics are only matched by Crysis is very funny to read as you are a clueless ps3 only fanclown.Crysis DESTROYS Killzone 2 in graphics with infinite ease.You obviously have not played Crysis at all, to make such a baseless and moronic statement like you just did.You stupid fucking fanboy.Heck,even Crysis on medium settings, totally ass-rapes KZ2 with graphical ease.You idiotic imbecile.

[DILDOlover]

Wow, the second time I've been called some sort of a Sony fan boy. I'm saying that Crysis looks better then Killzone 2 and you call me names. I havnt played Crysis, but that doesn't mean I don't know what it looks like. I don't understand why you feel the need to be a cunt when we agree with each other. Killzone 2's graphics are only matched by Crysis, that means that Crysis looks better moron.

[sonerito12]

So you know the only reason developers are restricted when

360 is used as lead get the facts straight try killzone2 on you pc the we talk about restrictions and that just the start of that engine p.c needto understand that the ps3 can do some stunt like the newer gpu do some homework