I work at a Canadian Bank in NYC and every other week or so, a lady from our Montreal office calls for some rates...her name: Louise...every time she calls w/her french accent i can't help myself and say, and shes used to me by now..."Louise, Is the Reverend hard to please?" she doesn't mind anymore.hahaha
Brilliant acting on Peters part even though the picture qualitey is poor. He was able to create so many characters just by putting a stocking over his head. Phil should have taken a page out of Kieth Moons book and put on a dress for this one. Also Tony deserves a mention for being able to create such a diverse soundscape and live too. I think this might have been as early as 1972.
Brilliant acting on Peters part even though the picture qualitey is poor. He was able to create so many characters just by putting a stocking over his head. Phil should have taken a page out of Kieth Moons book and put on a dress for this one. Also Tony deserves a mention for being able to create such a diverse soundscape and live too.
I consider myself a lucky man to have witnessed the Dancing Out With The Moonlit Night tour. Epping Forest is quite simply an amazing song. The lyrics are outstanding.
Armando Gallo said that when Peter Gabriel left, the magic was gone. I agree. He brought a mystique and very peculiar sense of humour to Genesis that never was replaced. His in between song story telling was legendary. He was quite a character back then. Ask most fans back then why they wished to attend a Genesis concert and they will tell you that Peter Gabriel was the main attraction - although the music was pretty extraordinary too. : )
At first this American ear thought he changed "old-fashioned Staffordshire plate" to "five-hour Staffordshire plate." Yikes! Actually now I think it's "fine-old Staffordshire plate."
Brilliant, talented musical score full of scintillating variation. Combine that with the one-of-a-kind expressiveness and unpredictably pleasing personality of Gabriel and you've got an explosive experience. Plain and simple. Unmatchable - an era gone...never to be replaced.
@Franfrancais MICHAEL TSARION IS THE WORLDS PREMIER CONSPIRACY RESEARCHER/LECTURER/AUTHOR. DR. BILL DEAGLE AND JORDAN MAXWELL ARE HIGHLY INFORMATIVE AS WELL. P.S. MELTING EUPHORIA IS A HOLISTIC PSYCHEDLIC PROG ROCK BAND THAT IS NOW DEFUNCT BUT HAS FOUR STUDIO CD'S AND ARE SIMILAR TO OZRIC TENTACLES AND GONG.
first of all, from1:24 to 3 something!... it's pure music, I've been playing and playing again that since the age of 15, and I'm 46!... The other great musical element is the introduction: 7/8, you could'nt march on it, " c'est une marche bancale", they had a great sense of humour, it's like a military thing, whith the last beat missing!
@SixDayWar67 I've been listening this since I was a little kid (i'm 43 now)...I knew every word when I was like 9 years old...you're right, can't find lyrics like this anymore..my older brother was a Genesis nut..he saw them in the 70's at Madison Square Garden & in Philadelphia many times when we lived just outside of NYC..the Musical Box is also an epic song (out of many that they did)..I saw Peter Gabriel on the Shock the Monkey tour & about 8 yrs ago..saw Phil Collins on the Face Value tour
@e55amgkomp me too, I'm 42, my friend and I found Nursery Cryme & Trespass in an uncle's record collection and listened to them because they looked "fun"...we sat silently enrapt and I was hooked. I went to bed many nights with headphones on with these amazing images swirling around in my head as I drifted off to sleep. I would have KILLED to see Genesis play live with Gabriel...fortunately at least I got to see him several times in the 80s. People think Ziggy Stardust was original...!
i travestimenti di petergabriel erano già all'avanguardia e nello stesso tempo non conoscono età anche ora l'istrionismo di quel periodo rimane insuperato anche perchè rimane insuperata la musica
The studio version of this never really blew my mind, but for some reason this did! Thanks for posting. Man, those days are SO gone, unfortunetely. Pete was amazing......and creepy. The still at 8:23 is chilling.
A+++ Great stills and effects, too. An all-around much appeciated effort. After seeing concerts for over 42 years, they're still the best live band I ever saw.
Thanks for posting this, great to hear them in top form - Banks is brilliant, Peter and Phil delivering exceptional vocals, and Hackett is as inventive as ever.
Peter and Phil are both great, for different reasons. Phil's ridiculous drumming brought in a new factor to live shows and Peter's stage theatrics and costumes brought a whole new dimension and outlook on the music, which was already incredible in itself. They worked so well together (just listen to this video how they act out parts back and forth). Phil is better with Peter and Peter is better with Phil, though i prefer Gabriel's solo work over Phils. But they did what they had to do.
It's pretty obvious that without Gabriel in the band, there was a shallow pool of creative talent. The band went on, and there were some pop-like songs, which take a certain amount of creativity. But the really good stuff dried up within an album.
Yeah, I don't hate those three songs, or even I Can't Dance for that matter. I think most of the classic 5's solo/side projects had their merit. The exceptions would be that of Mike and Tony, which confuses me since I know they are and have been the main driving force for Genesis. Mike and The Mechanics, EUCH!!!!!!!
I just prefer Trespass through A Trick of The Tail HEAVILY over anything any of them have done since, save a few Steve songs like Hammer in the Sand.
maybe they just got tired of being the most innovative and unique band around - touching new ground with every effort could have been a bit much, (especially with chirpy, chirpy, cheep, cheep around at the time.)
I think it is unfair to blame Phil Collins for "bringing the band to Hell". Rutherford, Gabriel, and Banks have all mentioned that they didn't want to advocate a certain style of rock. The problem fans do is try to categorize what makes "Genesis". Genesis was a band, they made music. Whatever fell on their laps, they ran with. Too many bands try to go with this categorizing, in hopes of sustaining popularity, but it always turns to failure. Genesis has lived 20+ years and are legends.
I think people blame Phil for turning the band away from their Prog beginnings to pop. This is wrong IMO, and it was a group decision. I don't think Tony did anything he didn't want to do, and early songs like Your Own Special Way and Follow You, Follow Me were written by Mike. Even Alone Again, the first proper pop ballad (on Duke) was written by Mike. And nothing that Mike + the M's did sounded like Super's Ready part II to my ears. Did Phil run with it once the $ rolled in? Yes. Who wouldn't?
This is superb, never heard a live version of this. Great sound, Gabriel puts up arguably the best vocals ever heard, the whole thing is a gem. I'll offer the wife plus cash for a CD of this.
i saw the musical box in concert a few years ago and it was ok ,they had it down ,but what must it had been like to see the real band doing it 30 years ago fucking hell
Has there ever been a better vocalist/ lyricist/performer than Peter. What a performance from the band. Possibly at they're peak? Was lucky enough to see them with Peter and a cameo from Steve at Milton Keynes in 1982. The gig started with Peter being carried to the front of the stage in a coffin, by pallbearers, and jumping out dressed as Rael......awsome!
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Cheap stage theatre. I much preffered the post peter professionalism of the band until 84ish when every band went the wrong way(including Shock the Monkey).
@Tommygun1028 Ayo Tommy ? Did you watch my fight against Dixen ? Ayo, what are you doing these days. Adrians dead and my son don't love me so much no more.
does someone know the tempo after "so the blackcap barons toss a coin to settle the score" and the drum fill? it seems to cut an half bar upbeat (7/8??) and then to return on a regular tempo (sorry for my english)
i am with you gunn. Genesis with Peter is a very different beast than without. But people forget what a great Guitarist Hacket is. When he split Genesis though a decent band , no longer could be considered great. Thanks for Epping. An overlooked song on an album of such power and soul.
I actually saw this concert in Montreal in 1974. Had never heard of Genesis and paid $5 or $10, not sure, to see them. Best $5 I ever spent. Man what a show. Montreal's "The Musical Box" do an excellent re-creation of this same show, better even, based on this version. Check them out.
What's that "Olde Fashioned Staffordshire Plate" supposed to mean?
I think it's a play on English "niceyties" ... bear in mind that Gabriel was part of middle class England ~ they liked to poke fun at a Polytechnic society... but they never grew up surrounded by bomb sites.
[ He got his cumuppence anyway, bald as a feckin coot... Gillette could have shares in his bouncy ball ]
The Reverend was looking for furniture. He mistakenly followed a sign saying "beautiful chest" thinking it was furniture, when it was really for a prostitute with big wazoomas. When the mistake was identified, her pimp offered him some antique porcelain tableware in lieu of his desire for furniture, made in Staffordshire. This would obviously have been stolen, but the reverend was tempted, and eventually joined the gangland firm
and to think I blew this concert off...cause YES was definately better than Genesis...man...the guy across the hall in my dorm was begging me to go with him to this concert...kick myself to this day....
I dunno, i have always put them on an equal footing. Yes and Genesis are 2 very different bands and should not be compared. I am a huge fan of both and enjoy thier music equally.
What a tune enjoyed since 74 and now i Live in Epping Forest.........up above the crowd...done proud actually i reallly live along the actual Forest Road.........brilliant
A couldn't agree more - but dare I extend this period to 1980 (Duke tour). The "Trick" album is undoubtedly fantastic. The WAW album might be too soft, overproduced and commercial for some and 'And TTWT' might be a radio-friendly attempt to some. But Duke "except - I admit - Misunderstanding and Don't ask." is a fantastic album to close the 1970s.
The 80s were cruel to most ´70s acts - so let's be grateful that Genesis still remained true to their prog rock roots - as far as they could.
yes,in "Trick" the band used also old material. And rumors say that Murray Head should take Peter` s place. They dropped the idea `cause his voice was too close to Peters`.
may be that it was just a journalist`s idea to put M. Head in front. At least the band did not. On the other hand Phil was miles away of beeing a real alternative to Peters performances. Excellent drummer(Brand X), yes.Good businessman, yes. Musician? Artist? I deny. With him in front of the band was like putting water into wine.
It's a shame how Genesis which was once a punk prog band with bizarre guitar effects courtesy of mr. Hackett and out of this world controversial costumes and lyrics by mr.Gabriel became a pop band with a wishy washy keyboard oriented sound and lame A.O.R. songs
Sad as it is (was. Genesis is one of my five all time favs!) that's how it, mostly, was. See Yes, Mike Oldfield, Page and Plant... But THIS should never make it possible to totally forget this amazing music. Before Youtube very few people remembered it. It was mostly ridiculed...
dude pull your plug a little out on your phones in your laptop when you listen just pull them out a hair and you will see the sound blast up higher it is better like that.
Lucky I know Genesis from when I was 14..and am 49 now. I mean...the images are absolutely un-clear, but the ORIGINAL sound reveals it all.Never no-more get fooled by only sound ,only mage ,but get AMAZED by LIFE!!!
There is just something magic about this album, Selling England By The Pound...all of it is a masterpiece! I love this song and especially Cinema Show...
It's not really a fair analogy to say kids in the 1970s got Genesis and kids today get Britney. There were crappy pop stars back then selling millions of records too and Genesis in this era was not a big-selling act at all. It's only in retrospect that most people see them as big and influential. The number of people who were there for the real thing was relatively small until the very end of Gabriel and didn't really get huge until after they became a three piece.
Too true, I graduated high school in California in 1976 and I didn't get exposed to Genesis until 1974 or 75. As I recall, I only new a couple of other people who were into Genesis. Back then they were an obscure English group. The popular "real" bands were Led Zep, The Who, Pink Floyd. The popular commercial bands were the Eagles, Elton John and stuff like that (in 1976 all you heard was "Frampton Comes Alive"). Meanwhile, the radio played junk like "Kung-Fu Fighting" and "You Light Up My Life"
Remember to slighly separate US and Europe in the 70s. At a small village where I lived 73-77 I could read from the Melody Maker in a local library about the success of Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull, Yes and so on. At a Lamb tour in Gothenburg fans was shouting; "play the knife" and "play the musical box". It was an earlier and different appr. to prog music in Europe than US.
you know what never ceases to amaze me (on top of everything Gabriel & Co. did) was that he remembered all the lyrics...I mean the lyrics are extraordinarily crafted and complex! but hey, today's kids get Fitty Cent & Brittany...WE are the lucky ones & thank you YouTube!
yeah, that's one thing i don't envy about being young today. I'm definitely GLAD that I was a kid during the 70s and experienced the music of that time.
Hey Moco, i share your opinion on the 50 cent thing, but maybe u would like to know that im a 16 yo who listens to Genesis. Seriously, bands this good are no longer made, and it saddens me what kids are hearing this days. U are lucky beacuase u could go to their concerts...i cant die without ever going to one...
I saw them 4 times from 1972-1975. The best live shows in the history of rock, period. The "Lamb" tour was the single greatest concert I ever saw and nothing will ever top it no matter what comes out in the future.
GO SEE THE MUSICAL BOX!!!! They are the exact Genesis duplicates. Lights, costumes, sound exactly like them, it is the exact shows from the 1970's. Even the orginal Genesis members say the Musical Box can perform the old material better they ever could....
Phil irritates me sometime when he sings.
But he's the best god damn drummer in early Prog. <3
TheOneEyedHound 5 months ago
immune? i really like this song , but the first verse wasn't really good, the best comes when tony banks plays the organ.
KillingLies1 5 months ago
I work at a Canadian Bank in NYC and every other week or so, a lady from our Montreal office calls for some rates...her name: Louise...every time she calls w/her french accent i can't help myself and say, and shes used to me by now..."Louise, Is the Reverend hard to please?" she doesn't mind anymore.hahaha
moco635 6 months ago
Try remembering the lyrics to this? Whew! how the fuk you write lyrics. WOW is a sick tune. Ridiculous!
firthoffifthtom 7 months ago
This is so good that they should be arrested just for that song!
drebatista 8 months ago
Oh my gosh... gives me the chills. Fantastic!
troublesomecorsair 9 months ago
I'd definitely call it 14/8 or 7/4 more than 7/8, each note's more of an 8th note than a 16th.
MasterYumyums 10 months ago
My favourite song from the SEBTP album. It's like a modern folk tale. Brilliant.
HughieDixon 11 months ago
Brilliant acting on Peters part even though the picture qualitey is poor. He was able to create so many characters just by putting a stocking over his head. Phil should have taken a page out of Kieth Moons book and put on a dress for this one. Also Tony deserves a mention for being able to create such a diverse soundscape and live too. I think this might have been as early as 1972.
WhatFuckingUsernameI 11 months ago
Brilliant acting on Peters part even though the picture qualitey is poor. He was able to create so many characters just by putting a stocking over his head. Phil should have taken a page out of Kieth Moons book and put on a dress for this one. Also Tony deserves a mention for being able to create such a diverse soundscape and live too.
WhatFuckingUsernameI 11 months ago
Picnic!
genibernat 1 year ago
Completely original music, fairy-tale, theater for mind,
comparably "easy" to sing /dance along, but they take you away into 7/8 !,
played live, with power and endless finesse,
true captivating finale...., how to top this?
State of the art 1973/74,
...in times where many other people drowned in chem drugs,
Genesis put all their creativity into musical alternatives...
immune against "Tubular Bells" or "Dark side of the moon"...
Miwof 1 year ago
*here comes the cavalry*, Keyboard solo... best bit of the song
ThoughtThinkerTomas 1 year ago
1:25 to 2:40 is unmatched in all pop music -- pure 7/8-ecstasy!
eastfreeze 1 year ago
This is not just music...it's a real fairy tale... at least musically speakingXD
marcovincin 1 year ago
Reminds me of just how brilliant Gabriel was - what happened - how can this be the same bloke that gave us dross like Sledgehammer?!
NeilThompson30 1 year ago
magical...
emanauger1 1 year ago
Times has passed ! Does the 6 hours DVD's include the 1972 live TV Belgium ? That video is away from the music score under !
Sylvain894 1 year ago
@Sylvain894 Yes it does, it included the entire Belgium TV broadcast from 1972
Tommygun1028 1 year ago
these are the only times that i´m happy to be 47 years old.
saw them for the first time in cascais ,portugal in 1975 i was 12.
talibe801 1 year ago 2
@talibe801 42 here and with you on that one mate
real music,wip my hair back and forth lol
tiedupsmurf 1 year ago
@talibe801
I was there too!
I was 15 and it was an important moment in my life.
nap658 1 year ago
His hands were then fit to receive alms.
adamtzsch 1 year ago
rubbish
vinnothelizard 1 year ago
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@vinnothelizard What the fuck would you know?
adamtzsch 1 year ago
And harold demure, who's still not quite sure, fires acorns from out of his sling.
Wozzup1223 1 year ago 2
Best album ever.......
menuman66 1 year ago
This is modern theater.
DefenceSpeech 1 year ago
And now with a pin up GURU every week.
Brettyification 1 year ago
that was great, always wanted to hear it live...cheers
Brettyification 1 year ago
3:37 BALDRICK??
Topographer 1 year ago
steve hackett !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
genesiss85 1 year ago
I consider myself a lucky man to have witnessed the Dancing Out With The Moonlit Night tour. Epping Forest is quite simply an amazing song. The lyrics are outstanding.
DarkKrush 1 year ago
Great sound but no concert video, too bad. I'd love to see it just to remember the actual concert.
rek172981 1 year ago
haha I always thought the beggining was about A Clockwork Orange and was saying they disagree on the gangbang boundary.
thebiglebowski1993 1 year ago
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Wow!! They're all in great shape on this one!! Incredible live playing...
Mikaeloettli 1 year ago
Wow!! They're all in great shape on this one!! Incredible live playing...
Mikaeloettli 1 year ago
semilanceatas i think..and add incredible talent into the mix..mushrooms were the food of the Children of Israel..
azl65 1 year ago
well done
yestimyes 1 year ago
Prog Rock="the battle of epping forest"
hubiex 1 year ago
Armando Gallo said that when Peter Gabriel left, the magic was gone. I agree. He brought a mystique and very peculiar sense of humour to Genesis that never was replaced. His in between song story telling was legendary. He was quite a character back then. Ask most fans back then why they wished to attend a Genesis concert and they will tell you that Peter Gabriel was the main attraction - although the music was pretty extraordinary too. : )
ThefightingCelt 1 year ago 9
Goddamn Collins was brilliant!!!!!
ghchock33 1 year ago 2
At first this American ear thought he changed "old-fashioned Staffordshire plate" to "five-hour Staffordshire plate." Yikes! Actually now I think it's "fine-old Staffordshire plate."
simonpeter6 1 year ago
Try playing this:P Bass is effing fun man!
bstensland 1 year ago
simplesmente incrível
997decio 1 year ago
Wow. They were really with it on this night. Amazing.
TheExeter 1 year ago
Oh, no, not me... I'm a man of repute!!!
mikedrud 1 year ago
lol. after this song i will never be mad.
KillingLies1 1 year ago
s.e.b.t.p my fave album.
HughieDixon 1 year ago
Absolutely...my all time favorite...come back to it every couple of months...still wearing it out.
alfalfa1214 1 year ago
del minuto 2.55 al 5.00 una genialidad... (you aren't Robin Hood)
skygranada 1 year ago
You are a robbing hood, PG loved play with words ;)
SCARAMACAI2 1 year ago
You are a robbing hood, PG loved to joke with words ;)
SCARAMACAI2 1 year ago
Brilliant, talented musical score full of scintillating variation. Combine that with the one-of-a-kind expressiveness and unpredictably pleasing personality of Gabriel and you've got an explosive experience. Plain and simple. Unmatchable - an era gone...never to be replaced.
bottleimp007 1 year ago 3
To Talpajam:
If you like Genesis, you've got to try a 12-string guitar. You'll find out why the old times ( A. Phillips) were so unique...
Franfrancais 1 year ago
@Franfrancais MICHAEL TSARION IS THE WORLDS PREMIER CONSPIRACY RESEARCHER/LECTURER/AUTHOR. DR. BILL DEAGLE AND JORDAN MAXWELL ARE HIGHLY INFORMATIVE AS WELL. P.S. MELTING EUPHORIA IS A HOLISTIC PSYCHEDLIC PROG ROCK BAND THAT IS NOW DEFUNCT BUT HAS FOUR STUDIO CD'S AND ARE SIMILAR TO OZRIC TENTACLES AND GONG.
countdumas 1 year ago
I forgot that:
I do like two characters in the song:
"Bob the Nob" and " Mick the Prick" !!!
Alright boys, I'm french... but I do like English slang.
Franfrancais 1 year ago 2
Hi boys!
Two things about Battle of Epping forest:
first of all, from1:24 to 3 something!... it's pure music, I've been playing and playing again that since the age of 15, and I'm 46!... The other great musical element is the introduction: 7/8, you could'nt march on it, " c'est une marche bancale", they had a great sense of humour, it's like a military thing, whith the last beat missing!
Franfrancais 1 year ago 3
man i love that 12-string tone live..wonder what he's playing ?
talpajam 2 years ago
Eppic.... :)
peejayx 2 years ago
Eppiic?
You are a fucking squak.
Smackdaddy9 2 years ago
seconds Big Wos comment of a month ago!!!
still LOVE this song! decades later
n07w4tU7hnk 2 years ago 3
love peace and truth incorporated :)
zgieria 2 years ago 3
Try reading the lyrics of this song while listening (google) and imagine any band today writing anything close to this.
Simply amazing !
SixDayWar67 2 years ago 25
@SixDayWar67 This song was written from an actual news story PG saw in the newspaper about a gang war.
Steevlan1 1 year ago
@Steevlan1
Thanks but I knew that. Saw this set 4 times in NY/NJ
SixDayWar67 1 year ago
@SixDayWar67 I've been listening this since I was a little kid (i'm 43 now)...I knew every word when I was like 9 years old...you're right, can't find lyrics like this anymore..my older brother was a Genesis nut..he saw them in the 70's at Madison Square Garden & in Philadelphia many times when we lived just outside of NYC..the Musical Box is also an epic song (out of many that they did)..I saw Peter Gabriel on the Shock the Monkey tour & about 8 yrs ago..saw Phil Collins on the Face Value tour
e55amgkomp 1 year ago
@e55amgkomp me too, I'm 42, my friend and I found Nursery Cryme & Trespass in an uncle's record collection and listened to them because they looked "fun"...we sat silently enrapt and I was hooked. I went to bed many nights with headphones on with these amazing images swirling around in my head as I drifted off to sleep. I would have KILLED to see Genesis play live with Gabriel...fortunately at least I got to see him several times in the 80s. People think Ziggy Stardust was original...!
xeokym 1 year ago 5
Ive just watched loads of genesis cover bands on here but listening to the real thing shows what an exceptional talent mr banks and co are!
georgeman2468 2 years ago
i travestimenti di petergabriel erano già all'avanguardia e nello stesso tempo non conoscono età anche ora l'istrionismo di quel periodo rimane insuperato anche perchè rimane insuperata la musica
Fringhi 2 years ago
Concordo pienamente......forse solo i Yes(Pink floyd,ELP??) si sono avvicinati a questo livello.
dalinaddei 2 years ago 2
The studio version of this never really blew my mind, but for some reason this did! Thanks for posting. Man, those days are SO gone, unfortunetely. Pete was amazing......and creepy. The still at 8:23 is chilling.
pazzensutra 2 years ago 2
A+++ Great stills and effects, too. An all-around much appeciated effort. After seeing concerts for over 42 years, they're still the best live band I ever saw.
zack157 2 years ago 3
Thanks AGAIN Tommygun! You are keeping Genesis alive for the "younger" people that never got the chance to see them in their original form!!!
bigwo56 2 years ago 5
wow, one of the guys whistling loud at the end is me :) I'm having incredible flashbacks
thanks for this upload
karmanmechanic 2 years ago
Tony Banks, the magician of mellotrom. I love progressive rock, in particular Genesis.
ThePhronesis 2 years ago
This is just amazing, beautiful, Selling England !!! I also had no idea that this boot was available.
popomatic1970 2 years ago
Gabriel is unreal on this...they're all unreal but Gabriel, OMG! Thx for this Mr Gunn...a fellow New Jerseyan(Red Bank)
moco635 2 years ago 15
Thanks for posting this, great to hear them in top form - Banks is brilliant, Peter and Phil delivering exceptional vocals, and Hackett is as inventive as ever.
moribund14 2 years ago
20years and i love this music...
sharakkone 2 years ago 3
god bless phil for keep it dark and pete for this and the grand parade
wdsftygt 2 years ago
**** This is a " Real " Music ! ***
megamarillion1 2 years ago
8:49 so much like classic "Yes" music.
luckyvet 2 years ago
hola
AL1976Q 2 years ago
Then tell me; how did he ruin this?
Dennismeurders 2 years ago
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fuck phil; he ruined this.
averyellis 2 years ago
Peter and Phil are both great, for different reasons. Phil's ridiculous drumming brought in a new factor to live shows and Peter's stage theatrics and costumes brought a whole new dimension and outlook on the music, which was already incredible in itself. They worked so well together (just listen to this video how they act out parts back and forth). Phil is better with Peter and Peter is better with Phil, though i prefer Gabriel's solo work over Phils. But they did what they had to do.
TheCorrectAnswer56 2 years ago 4
It's pretty obvious that without Gabriel in the band, there was a shallow pool of creative talent. The band went on, and there were some pop-like songs, which take a certain amount of creativity. But the really good stuff dried up within an album.
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awcindy 2 years ago
I really like those three songs though, so I guess. I don't think Gabriel ever wrote a song as empty as "I Can't Dance". GOOD TIMES THOUGH, GUY!!!
VitalemRecords 2 years ago
Yeah, I don't hate those three songs, or even I Can't Dance for that matter. I think most of the classic 5's solo/side projects had their merit. The exceptions would be that of Mike and Tony, which confuses me since I know they are and have been the main driving force for Genesis. Mike and The Mechanics, EUCH!!!!!!!
I just prefer Trespass through A Trick of The Tail HEAVILY over anything any of them have done since, save a few Steve songs like Hammer in the Sand.
awcindy 2 years ago
Also the Gabriel ones that I mentioned before are FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!! But overall the 5 greatly missed each other.
awcindy 2 years ago 2
maybe they just got tired of being the most innovative and unique band around - touching new ground with every effort could have been a bit much, (especially with chirpy, chirpy, cheep, cheep around at the time.)
propman1234 2 years ago
one mr phil collins, up there with bonzo, moon, baker etc etc, drummer sensitive to acoustics, yep phil was the man, rather glorious really
eric15746 2 years ago
I think it is unfair to blame Phil Collins for "bringing the band to Hell". Rutherford, Gabriel, and Banks have all mentioned that they didn't want to advocate a certain style of rock. The problem fans do is try to categorize what makes "Genesis". Genesis was a band, they made music. Whatever fell on their laps, they ran with. Too many bands try to go with this categorizing, in hopes of sustaining popularity, but it always turns to failure. Genesis has lived 20+ years and are legends.
Thypaeon 2 years ago
I think people blame Phil for turning the band away from their Prog beginnings to pop. This is wrong IMO, and it was a group decision. I don't think Tony did anything he didn't want to do, and early songs like Your Own Special Way and Follow You, Follow Me were written by Mike. Even Alone Again, the first proper pop ballad (on Duke) was written by Mike. And nothing that Mike + the M's did sounded like Super's Ready part II to my ears. Did Phil run with it once the $ rolled in? Yes. Who wouldn't?
toolkien 2 years ago 2
This is superb, never heard a live version of this. Great sound, Gabriel puts up arguably the best vocals ever heard, the whole thing is a gem. I'll offer the wife plus cash for a CD of this.
potflip 2 years ago 4
i saw the musical box in concert a few years ago and it was ok ,they had it down ,but what must it had been like to see the real band doing it 30 years ago fucking hell
robbiebenidorm 2 years ago
well said lad.I will second that!
moco635 2 years ago
Great genesis
Meots88 2 years ago
love the keyboard melody after 'here comes the cavalry'
wie1weet 2 years ago 6
peter gabriel...born to be a front man...
stupididiot13 2 years ago 3
Não sei qual é a minha música preferida do Genesis, mas The Battle...... é uma obra prima que eu não me canso de ouvir em mais de trinta anos.
Policarpo50 2 years ago
Prefiro The Cinema Show. Mas the Battle é bem legal tambem.
axzck 2 years ago
Timely lyrics, at least for those with perception of migration-based brouhaha. The rest gets to know the tip of the iceberg, as usual.
michaelpister 2 years ago
Has there ever been a better vocalist/ lyricist/performer than Peter. What a performance from the band. Possibly at they're peak? Was lucky enough to see them with Peter and a cameo from Steve at Milton Keynes in 1982. The gig started with Peter being carried to the front of the stage in a coffin, by pallbearers, and jumping out dressed as Rael......awsome!
finbarnone 2 years ago
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Cheap stage theatre. I much preffered the post peter professionalism of the band until 84ish when every band went the wrong way(including Shock the Monkey).
whalestail1955 2 years ago
Incomplete, wheres the beginning!!!
Frankyz84 2 years ago
10 minute time limit on Youtube videos for people who don't have a Director's account
Tommygun1028 2 years ago
@Tommygun1028 Ayo Tommy ? Did you watch my fight against Dixen ? Ayo, what are you doing these days. Adrians dead and my son don't love me so much no more.
Tom6093 1 year ago
@Tommygun1028 Hey Tommy thats 15 minutes nowwaday ;) thanks for your great work!
SjoerdDekker 1 year ago
Just like any pic nic ...
djdjany 2 years ago 2
does someone know the tempo after "so the blackcap barons toss a coin to settle the score" and the drum fill? it seems to cut an half bar upbeat (7/8??) and then to return on a regular tempo (sorry for my english)
getonfunk 2 years ago
i am with you gunn. Genesis with Peter is a very different beast than without. But people forget what a great Guitarist Hacket is. When he split Genesis though a decent band , no longer could be considered great. Thanks for Epping. An overlooked song on an album of such power and soul.
solsburybob 2 years ago 3
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rodschi1 2 years ago
I actually saw this concert in Montreal in 1974. Had never heard of Genesis and paid $5 or $10, not sure, to see them. Best $5 I ever spent. Man what a show. Montreal's "The Musical Box" do an excellent re-creation of this same show, better even, based on this version. Check them out.
francolini2d 2 years ago 4
A very amazing band. If you have seen the "lamb' show than you know what I'm saying.
A very close of mine may fill in for one of the members as a temp (sorry, secret info).
I've met the guys, the're are all great people.
A fine tribute to a great band.
dtordahl 2 years ago
wonderful,Gabriel voice rules !!!!*****
mymindourdream 2 years ago
What's that "Olde Fashioned Staffordshire Plate" supposed to mean?
I think it's a play on English "niceyties" ... bear in mind that Gabriel was part of middle class England ~ they liked to poke fun at a Polytechnic society... but they never grew up surrounded by bomb sites.
[ He got his cumuppence anyway, bald as a feckin coot... Gillette could have shares in his bouncy ball ]
mickeblue 2 years ago
The Reverend was looking for furniture. He mistakenly followed a sign saying "beautiful chest" thinking it was furniture, when it was really for a prostitute with big wazoomas. When the mistake was identified, her pimp offered him some antique porcelain tableware in lieu of his desire for furniture, made in Staffordshire. This would obviously have been stolen, but the reverend was tempted, and eventually joined the gangland firm
MrRoobones 2 years ago 4
Staffordshire Plate.. In england Plating is slang for cunnilingus. so staffordshire plate is a joke stab at cunnilingus and the staffordshire pottery
bettsaj 2 years ago
and to think I blew this concert off...cause YES was definately better than Genesis...man...the guy across the hall in my dorm was begging me to go with him to this concert...kick myself to this day....
Dukabor 2 years ago
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Yes -is- a better band!
Don't get me wrong, Genesis is great! But Yes is infinitely better than anything that has ever come out in the past 200 years.
Spyes23 2 years ago
I dunno, i have always put them on an equal footing. Yes and Genesis are 2 very different bands and should not be compared. I am a huge fan of both and enjoy thier music equally.
Frankyz84 2 years ago 6
GENUINE a ever!
Bernard
lekezenman 2 years ago
What's that "Olde Fashioned Staffordshire Plate" supposed to mean? I've always wondered ...
jax1moi8 2 years ago
I've already read "Staffordshire plate" means sexual pervesion, but I'm not sure about this.
Criswallmig 2 years ago
correct -its an offer to be with louise
frododarg 2 years ago
it was great to hear this,,sent me back to my teens and life in Montreal!1But ,,why was the live visual footage so minimal?
law245 2 years ago
Someone from the Genesis management should answer this.
The most visual band ever, and so little top quality filming. They have to have something stacked away somewhere!
Topographer 2 years ago
exactly!!!! they should get it all together and release an epic DVD
bibby5000 2 years ago
very wonderful this songs,love prog.norway here,music freak i am
toveksa 2 years ago 6
What a tune enjoyed since 74 and now i Live in Epping Forest.........up above the crowd...done proud actually i reallly live along the actual Forest Road.........brilliant
EclecticWarrior 2 years ago
For this I had gone when I met Little John. His name came, I understood, when the judge said,,, "YOU ARE A ROBBING HOOD!" super!!
sledge999 2 years ago
With his kisser in a mess, Bob seems under stress! LOL
sledge999 2 years ago
The Cinema Show and Firth of Fifth are my fav songs. Check out "Genesis Live" for some awesome drums. Best album, in my opinion, is The Lamb.
chinesewatch666 2 years ago
GENESIS. CANCIONES POR B
jorgealbertobaron 2 years ago
the best is the drummer
stefansson11 3 years ago
Genesis 1970-1975: the best band ever.
Unus1Mundus 3 years ago 3
yes this video is nice, but no so much a film of a live performance. Peter's vocals sound so eerie and confident...awesome audio!
daddysevenpointfiver 3 years ago 2
A couldn't agree more - but dare I extend this period to 1980 (Duke tour). The "Trick" album is undoubtedly fantastic. The WAW album might be too soft, overproduced and commercial for some and 'And TTWT' might be a radio-friendly attempt to some. But Duke "except - I admit - Misunderstanding and Don't ask." is a fantastic album to close the 1970s.
The 80s were cruel to most ´70s acts - so let's be grateful that Genesis still remained true to their prog rock roots - as far as they could.
aihoschema 3 years ago
yes,in "Trick" the band used also old material. And rumors say that Murray Head should take Peter` s place. They dropped the idea `cause his voice was too close to Peters`.
joaqim1008 2 years ago
I assume you're kidding, at least I would hope so.
"judas" and Peter Gabriel. I don't think so.
ferncliffe2007 2 years ago
may be that it was just a journalist`s idea to put M. Head in front. At least the band did not. On the other hand Phil was miles away of beeing a real alternative to Peters performances. Excellent drummer(Brand X), yes.Good businessman, yes. Musician? Artist? I deny. With him in front of the band was like putting water into wine.
joaqim1008 2 years ago
Stupid, his drumming propelled Peter's stage show into a live alternative that was incredible. Obviously you never saw it.
whalestail1955 2 years ago
Agreed - would extend it to 1976 Trick of the Tail & maybe Wind & Wuthering 1977.
Although by that time, any Genesis was appreciated to satisfy the hunger for more.
HelpfulFriend 2 years ago
It's a shame how Genesis which was once a punk prog band with bizarre guitar effects courtesy of mr. Hackett and out of this world controversial costumes and lyrics by mr.Gabriel became a pop band with a wishy washy keyboard oriented sound and lame A.O.R. songs
Mystep 3 years ago
Sad as it is (was. Genesis is one of my five all time favs!) that's how it, mostly, was. See Yes, Mike Oldfield, Page and Plant... But THIS should never make it possible to totally forget this amazing music. Before Youtube very few people remembered it. It was mostly ridiculed...
Thank God for Youtube! LOL. Kinda...
PrZemek44 3 years ago
Early - Mid Genesis - excellent!
jimbomak 3 years ago
Thanks. This is the best
ulfthegoon 3 years ago
My favorite Genesis Song ... well maybe. I have many. I wish I could go back in time and see this live. Thanks Tommy for the memories!
Michelle
msmichellelynn 3 years ago
cool! !! !
stupididiot13 3 years ago
dude pull your plug a little out on your phones in your laptop when you listen just pull them out a hair and you will see the sound blast up higher it is better like that.
quinn127 3 years ago 2
Lucky I know Genesis from when I was 14..and am 49 now. I mean...the images are absolutely un-clear, but the ORIGINAL sound reveals it all.Never no-more get fooled by only sound ,only mage ,but get AMAZED by LIFE!!!
Bernard
lekezenman 3 years ago 2
There is just something magic about this album, Selling England By The Pound...all of it is a masterpiece! I love this song and especially Cinema Show...
NCMountainDavis 3 years ago 4
Yep. I know what I like! ;-)
mikubozu 3 years ago
awesome
gothicprincess52 3 years ago
You just got to love it:)
71vmo 3 years ago 2
God this is an amazing piece of music.
the lyrics are just brilliant.
the rhythms are so complex but the song flows so well.
the guitar is so textured and lyrical.
the keyboard is soaring.
uh!. the best genesis song. Period
crazySKATAman 3 years ago 6
I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that this is on Youtube, but I am. I forgot how awesome this album is.
savagestranger 3 years ago 4
They should teach this in our High Schools. Art 101.
vivelavidarocka 3 years ago 4
It's not really a fair analogy to say kids in the 1970s got Genesis and kids today get Britney. There were crappy pop stars back then selling millions of records too and Genesis in this era was not a big-selling act at all. It's only in retrospect that most people see them as big and influential. The number of people who were there for the real thing was relatively small until the very end of Gabriel and didn't really get huge until after they became a three piece.
dccnyc 3 years ago 9
Too true, I graduated high school in California in 1976 and I didn't get exposed to Genesis until 1974 or 75. As I recall, I only new a couple of other people who were into Genesis. Back then they were an obscure English group. The popular "real" bands were Led Zep, The Who, Pink Floyd. The popular commercial bands were the Eagles, Elton John and stuff like that (in 1976 all you heard was "Frampton Comes Alive"). Meanwhile, the radio played junk like "Kung-Fu Fighting" and "You Light Up My Life"
dlburg 3 years ago 2
Ok, but "You light up my life " was so good to sing if you wanted to rid someone out of the room.
SixDayWar67 2 years ago
I hear they were huge in Belgium...
genesisrock43 3 years ago
funny
FERRABONE 3 years ago
Remember to slighly separate US and Europe in the 70s. At a small village where I lived 73-77 I could read from the Melody Maker in a local library about the success of Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull, Yes and so on. At a Lamb tour in Gothenburg fans was shouting; "play the knife" and "play the musical box". It was an earlier and different appr. to prog music in Europe than US.
thomwick 3 years ago
WHAT A GREAT FUCKIN' SONG!!!
And the live version, absolutely rare, absolutely amazing!
chamamaiden 3 years ago 4
you know what never ceases to amaze me (on top of everything Gabriel & Co. did) was that he remembered all the lyrics...I mean the lyrics are extraordinarily crafted and complex! but hey, today's kids get Fitty Cent & Brittany...WE are the lucky ones & thank you YouTube!
moco635 3 years ago 11
yeah, that's one thing i don't envy about being young today. I'm definitely GLAD that I was a kid during the 70s and experienced the music of that time.
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
"I mean the lyrics are extraordinarily crafted and complex!" Thanks you said that! You are absolutely right.
Thiago1950 3 years ago
Hey Moco, i share your opinion on the 50 cent thing, but maybe u would like to know that im a 16 yo who listens to Genesis. Seriously, bands this good are no longer made, and it saddens me what kids are hearing this days. U are lucky beacuase u could go to their concerts...i cant die without ever going to one...
Wolfram666 3 years ago
im 16 too i feel the same way im crying out for a reunion with steve and peter!
nintendo64isking 3 years ago 3
I saw them 4 times from 1972-1975. The best live shows in the history of rock, period. The "Lamb" tour was the single greatest concert I ever saw and nothing will ever top it no matter what comes out in the future.
ProudConfederateSon 3 years ago 3
hey Proud...I saw them in Philly March 2 , 1973...I will never forget it
LEHIGHDRIVE 3 years ago
Like you could even know that Napoleon. :)
scojat 3 years ago
GO SEE THE MUSICAL BOX!!!! They are the exact Genesis duplicates. Lights, costumes, sound exactly like them, it is the exact shows from the 1970's. Even the orginal Genesis members say the Musical Box can perform the old material better they ever could....
SephynnXx 3 years ago