@fatlahbazooka then he has the most boring answer possible. It's not like his nature actually changed for all his regret anyway. Hell, the lives that were arguably him were the first, second, and (I believe) third since in all three he has the memories of that first life, and his regret doesn't change him at all. He's still ridiculously irresponsible.
The only ending I've seen that speaks directly to the question says it's "belief", but all things considered I still find my answer the best.
@Influx27 But regret actually did change his nature because he changed from what was possibly the most evil person ever to someone who was to try and do good deeds to others because he regretted his actions.
It doesn't matter if the answer was boring or not, many truths in this world are boring. Even if the answer is different for every person, the game is about the Nameless One and what changed his nature was regret.
@fatlahbazooka :oP Wrong! The Practical incarnation was far more evil. Unlike most of the Good incarnation's actions, Practical knew Exactly what he was doing when he hurt and manipulated people. He, unlike Good, actually Is responsible for Everything he's done.
As for truth, sorry, wrong there too. Truth is never boring, so, since your Regret nonsense is Boring, I guess it's not truth then; also, Good wasn't the nameless one, he still had a name at that point. Get your facts right!
@Influx27 Just because he had a name means nothing. He was still the same person just without amnesia. If you forgot your name that doesn't mean you aren't you anymore, it just means you don't have a name.
The Practical incarnation was selfish and used everyone as a tool, but that was nothing compared to the Good incarnation. The Good incarnation admits he commited deeds so evil and severe that no amount of good deeds could save him from his punishment, which is why he went to Ravel.
@fatlahbazooka you're wrong about the name thing kiddo. Just look at how utterly different Practical is from Paranoid. They may bear the same sin and have the same body, but they are not the same person (or personA).
Good only Thinks he is responsible for those actions, but Morte (I think...it's been a while so I guess it could have been someone else) was the one who tricked him into committing the untold (lol) crimes. If you lack choice you lack fault.
@Influx27 Hey, the Practical Incarnation wasn't evil, he was just practical :L but seriously they said that thier was no account of him harming ANYBODY when it wouldn't help him, as TV tropes said: He would kick a dog, but only when it's in his way.
@mrfunnyperson100 yes, because it's okay to commit atrocities against your fellow man so long as it's to benefit you yourself. I'm fairly certain that's called being a sociopath.
@Influx27 There's evidence showing that he hated doing it, and "helping himself" was a poor choice of words on my part, he did because it was absolutely necessary.
@mrfunnyperson100 "absolutely necessary"? nothing he did was "absolutely necessary", nor was most of it even useful considering he failed in his attempt and the paranoid incarnation destroyed his journal. hell, the one incarnation that truly did anything useful, if he did anything at all, was the paranoid incarnation since his was the life wherein the nameless one somehow gained the ability to remember what had happened after dying, though admittedly it didn't take affect during his life.
@Influx27 He decided that doing all that was the best way to help him and future incarnations, my point was that he wasn't evil, he was just practical, thats why he's called the Practical Incarnation. And he didn't fail, he tattoed the instructions on your back and figured out the bronze sphere.
@mrfunnyperson100 again, you're basically saying that his incredibly horrible actions were okay because they served his own ends. As if an Evil Person can only be such because they're Selflessly devoted to evil.
You sir have some horrible ideas. If you weren't so terribly minded I would be laughing at you.
@mrfunnyperson100 we're not talking about the developers, we're talking about the game. being developers does not make their opinion anymore correct than anyone else.
@Influx27 But since they made the game and came up with the story and characters doesn't that mean what they think a character's personality is, is canon?
@mrfunnyperson100 no. no it doesn't. the only way a developer's thoughts on a character could be canon is if said developer put that thought directly into the game, but even then someone would have to voice that thought so it would still be one voice amongst many.
When I originally played Torment, I thought the ending was short and anti-climactic, but now I'm a little older (as cliche as that sounds) I appreciate it a lot more. The look of acceptance of his regret, or determination if he's evil, on Nameless' face really adds a lot of weight to this finale.
The thing is, planescape torment will never be a movie, there will never be a sequel, and there will never be thousands of people blabbering about it. There's so much questions to ask and to discuss about this game, even though there's almost 12 years after its release.this game is unique and its a irrefutable proof that video games should be officially named as an art. Hell, i would give first Nobel for gaming to chris avellone, guido henkel, dave maldondado and colin mccomb.cheers...
God I miss this game.. How I wish I could just get a copy since my old one went buy buy 5 years ago... I dont think it just didnt sell well cause it was weird but rather no one knew about it and those that did got turned off by the cover art never giving it a chance.. I am forever grateful I did and played this masterpiece
@Maciejka0111 Couldn't disagree more. First and Second Edition AD&D are the only ones worth playing. An update it does not need. A reprinting it does.
@Maciejka0111 - I belive there is no room for something more... The story of Namless One is ended: you're the unity again as a very powerfull being probably with all your memories, yet you can`t leave the hells - the punishment is unevitable. Such a hero can't be controlled by the player.. If so, I would see a prequel than a sequel.
i remember me and my friend finishing this game when we were 7 im 14 now and its one of the best games ive ever played everybody should give this the time to play but its like a book and 10000000000000000000x better than shitty games like fable 3 that you can finish without dying. me and my friend found this game really hard but we finished it i played some of his brothers games like icewind dale and baldurs gate 1 and 2 but couldnt finish them but torment was the second best after bg2
If you where to put a positive spin on it it would be Hell is just another plane and all Planes have doors leading out of them.
If they ever did a Planescape Torment 2 it would probably be the nameless fighting his way through the Blood War and through the planes to reach the world he left behind. Either that or we can conclude from this ending that the nameless had accepted his fate to forever fight in the blood war.
I just played the last part of this video a couple times, and I was able to understand what the mace is whispering to him, after all these years, I play the video on Youtube, and I understand it......
I know all the endings aren't happy, but The Nameless One absorbs his mortality and regains all the memories and skills of previous lives, and The Transcendent One states that The Nameless One's lifespan is tallied in thousands of years. He can bring the dead back to life, which is something only a god can do, and if The Transcendent One wasn't just boasting, The Nameless One can now form planes of existence through sheer willpower. I don't think The Blood War could ever end him, especially now.
What makes it even more tragic, that there is no God in the Planescape Universe, just deities which are nothing more than superpowered beings, and NOT the creator of the whole Universe... so there is no chance to be saved in the Planescape universe even if you repent your sins. There is no hope and no faith as we know it.
That's just the Athar's view of things. Remember: in Planescape, belief IS reality. Faith and Hope are indeed useful in the the Planescape universe. Petitioners do go to the realm of their powers when they die. The Nameless One is obviously a special case; the crime of his original incarnation was great enough that all of the gods have forsaken him. In a sense, he has to assume the roles of both Adam AND Christ.
@cvuser11 You are an ignorant fool. Just take your zealous christianity away from here. Leave it to religious nutjobs of any belief to try and ruin the premise of a damn video game because it doesn't adhere to their limited and mistaken views.
@Valkod23 Now just who is overzealous and an ignorant fool? Your kind fights against religion in the name of freedom of expression, but it seems that you are more zelous and have a more limited view than those you fight against: because you don't tolerate anyone who does not thing EXACTLY like you. Talking about nutjobs, just who was the one throwing wild accusations around, in a not quite so civil manner?
Instead of a TV series, film or whatever other adaptation, why not just let Chris Avellone lead design a brand new IP with full creative control and no bullshitting Publisher assholes around to ruin it. I mean, the man obviously has a lot of contempt for the OH-SO-bloody standard, pointless rpg tropes present everywhere throughout the genre. Anything he'd make would be digital gold.
Notice that this is the only video where you get a good look at the TNO's eyes- eyes truly humane, full of understanding and compassion. In the end, he *became* human after all.
@LumpyFudge if not a movie, than perhaps a TV series.. Shows that are hosted on such channels like HBO and Starz are getting more popular because of their originality... If such a scenario were to happen with Planescape, I'd be very curious as to well it would do.
Much as I would wish for a PS:T movie (handled correctly and intelligently), I admit many of the powerful nuances of the game's writing would be damn hard to make into something filmable. The audience would want a solid explanation, for instance of the first incarnation's actual crime, and TNO's true name when he learns it. Of course, this wouldn't have added to our playing experience if these things were actually revealed in the first place.
@LumpyFudge The game could be made into a series, though. That's what the Russians did with books like Crime and Punishment, Master and Margarita, etc.
@LumpyFudge Then why go for a movie you said so yourself the game is filled to the brim with plot, so why not make it an anime series with 20 maybe 25 episodes?
We´ve already seen that Japan knows how to put together a decent series based on a game so why not also this one?
I've always had a small hunch that The Nameless One had something to do with the Lady of Pain getting caged into Sigil...
We do know that TNO had an earthshattering role in the Blood War, I dont recall what it was exactly...
And finally, I think it was stated in the sensory stones that he had caused the death of billions and billions in a past life (during some type of major war), possibly during the time of one of his incarnations. Remember the "Criers of Es-Annon"? That was HIS doing...
@dageezerboi The blood war is devils vs demons (they're called something else because this is AD&D 2nd edition), and TNO can die fighting in it, and I assume he does. Remember that he was seperated from his immortality, and it seems his first action is to go and die, perhaps to be at peace.
After all these years of playing this game, I literally cry at the final scene with the look of "knowing" he has just before entering the battle. Finally in peace with himself after so many lifes of searching.Going to hell to fight the eternal battle to atone for sins that can never be forgiven.
Oh so that's where I left my journal. Silly me, I'm always forgetting things back in the Blood War. Journal, the keys to the truck, my enchanted dagger. Damn I'll have to get a journal so I can remind myself of where I leave my stuff. Hey, where's my journal?
I never really bought the idea that he would truly spend eternity in hell. It seemed like the sheer fact that he still existed, and the fact that you can just grin and run into the fray makes it seem like somehow, someday, you might actually break free of the Blood War.
And am I the only one who thought that the unnamed sin was that he started the Blood War? It seems like a fitting punishment that he should be sentenced to fight in it.
Doods. I think I got the ending. The d00d (Nameless) is all about scars and battle. He goes to war to further disembow himself, to change his nature of that of a true warrior, and to get to Deionarra. The end.
Ah, best story ever for a vid game. You probably won't see a game like this again - too unusual for the masses, but you were lucky if you got to play it !
@Foaroan Of course you're 'meant' to fight him. That's the whole point of an alternative.
Even so, let's go your route and say that you aren't meant to fight him; Is it really that difficult to make the final boss even remotely challenging?
All I had to do was melee spam and he came down like a fly.
I just finished the game... and is the best storyline of all RPG i ever played. It's one of our crowned jewels. I think it changed my way of thinking about life, a little.
Not Baldur's Gate, nor Neverwinter Nights, not even NWN2. This is simply peace of art.
The actual answer was regret, given by the original "Good" incarnation. It led to his decision to split his mortality from himself to try to redeem his sins before he died.
"If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. Ive seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle."
"This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me."
@dreamdewil Mask of the Betrayer came close (or as close as possible), not surprising since it had many of the original crew working on it. Knights of the Old republic 2 also had many elements of Planescape, though it was still a very good story it wasn't quite on MotB or Planescape level. So yeah, if the guy who wrote (most of) Planescape can't top it, nobody can.
@giantrobots1122 The problem is, in today's market, every dialogue needs to be voiced in a game, consider PS:T 800,000 words of dialogue, that's an impossibility. Content is not everything surely, but with limitations like that, you have less to work with.
When someone talks about a tragic story (like Macbeth), this story is what I think of. It surpasses so many others, not only because of its mood and theme, but because of its scale. Even though we play only a small part of it, the story stretches so much further back. And it isnt just the tragic story of The Nameless One, but of all who bear the mark of Torment. In the end, there is no redemption, no release, and no victory, only sacrifice. THAT is the definition of tragedy.
Playing Planescape was the first time I'd tried an RPG, as I had not been a fan of the genre up till then. I found it to be, and it remains, one of the best games I've ever played. It's one of the games I wish I could go back and enjoy again for the first time, like a really great book or movie.
this whole game was such a chilling and gloomy experience and this ending was amazing. No game has stuck in my mind like planescape: torment over the years.
I had this game and threw it away rashly. i know its just a game, but i still deeply regret doing that. Where on line can i order this cheap and unused??? Presently, the only options available to me is torrent. help!!!! None of the game shops here in manila have it anymore. don't know where else to look.
You can always try Ravel and ask her to make you immortal. Then you'll forget about this game, be immortal yourself and try the best experience of all planes : Being the nameless one himself :p
Looking at the protagonist's story I would say: "losing memory". The Nameless one was the (un)living proof of that. We see that, through his resurrection amnesias, he's been totally different persons, some noble and gentle, other selfish and brutal.
Yes, but what may be the cause of him loosing memory might be regret :
Won't you want to forget something and try something new when you regret what you have done ?
Wasn't the first incarnation regret so strong that it dissocied its mortality from him at the ritual that made him immortal ?
Finally, isn't regret the source of his memory to disappear only because the first incarnation *believes* so, and as belief can make the plane, it can make him that way ?
Many of his incarnations had been gentle and probably had little to regret. It seems more likely that the amnesias were an integral part of his boon/curse.
@humaneeds Belief is what can change the nature of man. The Nameless One states this during one of the ways you can overcome the Transcendent One. Whether it's regret, anger, or amnesia, whatever you believe can change the nature of man, can.
So while Belief is the right answer, so too is every other answer.
This is also why many had gotten Ravel's riddle wrong, while she would accept any of YOUR answers. They tried to give the answer they thought SHE wanted, and not what they truly BELIEVED.
You are right, but the most general and most true answer to this great question of the game is "immortality". Immortality can change the nature of man and Ravel has proven it to TNO. It changed his nature so much that he got tired of endless life and wanted only to die. No such answer in the game though as far as I remember.
@Damythxful the answer is "regret". it was regret that made TNO look for immortality because he started to regret his actions and realized he would need to lot of time to do good deeds to outweigh all the evil he did. so he found ravel, she made him immortal, but when she killed him he lost his memory. I still wonder how did the practical incarnation found out about the bronze sphere
@Damythxful Oh come on, man, I think that by now it should be pretty obvious:
TORMENT can change the nature of a man. TNO's Torment (immortality) changed him constantly. Dak'kon's torment turned him from a proud warrior into a slave at heart. Morte was a liar, a cheat and a horrible person, and he turned into a loyal companion. Annah was a shameful collector and she developed love for TNO through her own torment. The torment of being split from his kind made Nordom unique... And so on!
@Owneador1337 The question is purposefully subjective. The true answer, however, is BELIEF. The game gradually teaches you this. It's how you absorb your other incarnations, it's how you create Adahn, it's how Trias tricks you, it's how Forktongue is bound and it's how you cause the trees to flourish. Belief makes things manifest, it shapes the planes around you. Finally, whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, does. It's the answer that applies no matter what the case.
@Rikiruto I disagree. Though belief can in fact shape the planes (trees, Adahn, Curst, etc); the question is what can change the nature of a man (his basic personality, his essence), not what can shape the planes. I think that, in that sense, the game does show you that every single playable character has changed due to a personal torment which The Nameless One caused in the first place (and thus, they are attracted to him): He killed Vhailor, turned an innocent child into Ignus, etc.
@Owneador1337 Torment did not change The Nameless One. Torment gravitated the people around The Nameless One towards him. Torment is what The Nameless One left in his wake.
@Rikiruto But he IS tormented himself. His torment is immortality. His torment is in fact the greatest, in my opinion. Not only does he suffer a whole lot with it - it's also endless, he can't escape it unless he faces his destiny and makes a tremendous effort to die.
If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. I’ve seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. (continued in next reply)
@Owneador1337 Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.
As for the whole "what can change the nature of a man," I think it's clear that this is a very subjective question, one entirely dependent on the individual. Ravel herself plainly admitted that she didn't know the answer, and that she only wanted TNO's answer. If a githzerai had heard her question, he would say, "Ach'ali drowning." It is futile to ask Ravel's question. Rather, one should ask, "What can change the nature of *this* man?"
Deionarra sees the future. That's explanation enough for the receipt. Secondly, the devs deliberately left out his real name, because a player would think, "I could've come up with something better." He wants to lose his "immortality" because he is repeatedly warned that, though his body be nigh indestructible, his mind is on the brink of failure. We can only speculate as to his true age, as most of his recovered memories come from the Good, the Paranoid, and the Practical.
Why does Deionoraa leave the receipt to the Godsmen Foundry to pick up the portal to Ravel's Maze, in her legacy? I really do not get it. And also,....if Iannis, the advocate is her father then the event of her death was not long ago. Its confusing to me, and it doesnt specificy entirely. I mean, we never learn his real name, how old he is, or why he wanted to lose is immortality. Just meh.
The answer to the question is either experience or nothing, as the Transcendent One claims. It depends from which point do you look at the question.
Experience is the most logical answer. From what you experience during your life, you run into things that can change you. People especially change other people.
Nothing is the answer if you go with the claim that if you changed, it means that it was already in your nature to change, thus, nothing can change the nature of a man.
Death changed his nature from the first incarnation, belief changed his nature as the incarnation you play in the game.. He probably changed nature due to all kinds of things. Love, fear, hate, power, candy. That's what i love about this game. It just makes you think.
I wish they made Torment into an FPS, like Morrowind. Then they could improve the game and sell it without hurting the plot.
It'd be cool to see those epic Planescape worlds and spells in 3D.
n4mel3ss 2 weeks ago
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n4mel3ss 2 weeks ago
"What is a man?"
AlllexL 2 weeks ago
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Sixtystone 1 month ago
"What can Change the Nature of a Man?"
Himself
Influx27 2 months ago
@Influx27 It was regret.
fatlahbazooka 3 weeks ago
@fatlahbazooka you have the most boring answer possible.
Influx27 3 weeks ago
@Influx27 No, it's actually regret. When you talk to your Good Incarnation he tells you that regret is what can change the nature of a man.
fatlahbazooka 3 weeks ago
@fatlahbazooka then he has the most boring answer possible. It's not like his nature actually changed for all his regret anyway. Hell, the lives that were arguably him were the first, second, and (I believe) third since in all three he has the memories of that first life, and his regret doesn't change him at all. He's still ridiculously irresponsible.
The only ending I've seen that speaks directly to the question says it's "belief", but all things considered I still find my answer the best.
Influx27 3 weeks ago
@Influx27 But regret actually did change his nature because he changed from what was possibly the most evil person ever to someone who was to try and do good deeds to others because he regretted his actions.
It doesn't matter if the answer was boring or not, many truths in this world are boring. Even if the answer is different for every person, the game is about the Nameless One and what changed his nature was regret.
fatlahbazooka 3 weeks ago
@fatlahbazooka :oP Wrong! The Practical incarnation was far more evil. Unlike most of the Good incarnation's actions, Practical knew Exactly what he was doing when he hurt and manipulated people. He, unlike Good, actually Is responsible for Everything he's done.
As for truth, sorry, wrong there too. Truth is never boring, so, since your Regret nonsense is Boring, I guess it's not truth then; also, Good wasn't the nameless one, he still had a name at that point. Get your facts right!
Influx27 3 weeks ago
@Influx27 Just because he had a name means nothing. He was still the same person just without amnesia. If you forgot your name that doesn't mean you aren't you anymore, it just means you don't have a name.
The Practical incarnation was selfish and used everyone as a tool, but that was nothing compared to the Good incarnation. The Good incarnation admits he commited deeds so evil and severe that no amount of good deeds could save him from his punishment, which is why he went to Ravel.
fatlahbazooka 3 weeks ago
@fatlahbazooka you're wrong about the name thing kiddo. Just look at how utterly different Practical is from Paranoid. They may bear the same sin and have the same body, but they are not the same person (or personA).
Good only Thinks he is responsible for those actions, but Morte (I think...it's been a while so I guess it could have been someone else) was the one who tricked him into committing the untold (lol) crimes. If you lack choice you lack fault.
Influx27 3 weeks ago
@Influx27 Hey, the Practical Incarnation wasn't evil, he was just practical :L but seriously they said that thier was no account of him harming ANYBODY when it wouldn't help him, as TV tropes said: He would kick a dog, but only when it's in his way.
mrfunnyperson100 3 weeks ago
@mrfunnyperson100 yes, because it's okay to commit atrocities against your fellow man so long as it's to benefit you yourself. I'm fairly certain that's called being a sociopath.
Influx27 3 weeks ago
@Influx27 There's evidence showing that he hated doing it, and "helping himself" was a poor choice of words on my part, he did because it was absolutely necessary.
mrfunnyperson100 3 weeks ago
@mrfunnyperson100 "absolutely necessary"? nothing he did was "absolutely necessary", nor was most of it even useful considering he failed in his attempt and the paranoid incarnation destroyed his journal. hell, the one incarnation that truly did anything useful, if he did anything at all, was the paranoid incarnation since his was the life wherein the nameless one somehow gained the ability to remember what had happened after dying, though admittedly it didn't take affect during his life.
Influx27 3 weeks ago
@Influx27 He decided that doing all that was the best way to help him and future incarnations, my point was that he wasn't evil, he was just practical, thats why he's called the Practical Incarnation. And he didn't fail, he tattoed the instructions on your back and figured out the bronze sphere.
mrfunnyperson100 3 weeks ago
@mrfunnyperson100 again, you're basically saying that his incredibly horrible actions were okay because they served his own ends. As if an Evil Person can only be such because they're Selflessly devoted to evil.
You sir have some horrible ideas. If you weren't so terribly minded I would be laughing at you.
Influx27 3 weeks ago
@Influx27 Sorry, I was just repeating what the developers said about him.
mrfunnyperson100 3 weeks ago
@mrfunnyperson100 we're not talking about the developers, we're talking about the game. being developers does not make their opinion anymore correct than anyone else.
Influx27 3 weeks ago
@Influx27 But since they made the game and came up with the story and characters doesn't that mean what they think a character's personality is, is canon?
mrfunnyperson100 3 weeks ago
@mrfunnyperson100 no. no it doesn't. the only way a developer's thoughts on a character could be canon is if said developer put that thought directly into the game, but even then someone would have to voice that thought so it would still be one voice amongst many.
Influx27 2 weeks ago
When I originally played Torment, I thought the ending was short and anti-climactic, but now I'm a little older (as cliche as that sounds) I appreciate it a lot more. The look of acceptance of his regret, or determination if he's evil, on Nameless' face really adds a lot of weight to this finale.
SAMagic 2 months ago
The thing is, planescape torment will never be a movie, there will never be a sequel, and there will never be thousands of people blabbering about it. There's so much questions to ask and to discuss about this game, even though there's almost 12 years after its release.this game is unique and its a irrefutable proof that video games should be officially named as an art. Hell, i would give first Nobel for gaming to chris avellone, guido henkel, dave maldondado and colin mccomb.cheers...
LaCroix765 3 months ago in playlist Više videozapisa korisnika Neverwinter27
This game is epic beyond measure, and so is this ending.
Owneador1337 3 months ago
Looks like he won't be updating his journal anytime soon.
0NoName9 5 months ago
this game is not a game...It is literature and novelty
DevilOnHog 5 months ago
None of the games listed compare to this, the only other game that can compare is Baldur's Gate.
Steph3ns 6 months ago
God I miss this game.. How I wish I could just get a copy since my old one went buy buy 5 years ago... I dont think it just didnt sell well cause it was weird but rather no one knew about it and those that did got turned off by the cover art never giving it a chance.. I am forever grateful I did and played this masterpiece
TheJoeCow 6 months ago
@TheJoeCow go to gog. com
there you will be able to buy the game, with no drm, and you get thesoundtrack, wallpapers etc. for free
zpucek 6 months ago
@zpucek I did, i did and very happy!
TheJoeCow 6 months ago
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zpucek 6 months ago
@TheJoeCow I think gog (great old games) released this a little while back. It is a great website - I've bought lots of old games from them.
thegoodlocust 5 months ago
The ending makes room for a sequel.
Maciejka0111 6 months ago
@Maciejka0111 it's been over 10 years... I doubt we'll be seeing on : (
CorRomeister 6 months ago
@CorRomeister
Who knows. First they should go and make new rulebooks for Planescape. This D&D universe needs a update first.
Maciejka0111 6 months ago
@Maciejka0111 Couldn't disagree more. First and Second Edition AD&D are the only ones worth playing. An update it does not need. A reprinting it does.
DRourk 3 months ago
@DRourk
Yeah, you're right. If Planescape got to the 4th edition standards, then there would be a lot of RAGE!!! and skub going around.
Maciejka0111 3 months ago
@Maciejka0111 - I belive there is no room for something more... The story of Namless One is ended: you're the unity again as a very powerfull being probably with all your memories, yet you can`t leave the hells - the punishment is unevitable. Such a hero can't be controlled by the player.. If so, I would see a prequel than a sequel.
filochoreos 6 months ago
i remember me and my friend finishing this game when we were 7 im 14 now and its one of the best games ive ever played everybody should give this the time to play but its like a book and 10000000000000000000x better than shitty games like fable 3 that you can finish without dying. me and my friend found this game really hard but we finished it i played some of his brothers games like icewind dale and baldurs gate 1 and 2 but couldnt finish them but torment was the second best after bg2
Liamoh1994 7 months ago
If you where to put a positive spin on it it would be Hell is just another plane and all Planes have doors leading out of them.
If they ever did a Planescape Torment 2 it would probably be the nameless fighting his way through the Blood War and through the planes to reach the world he left behind. Either that or we can conclude from this ending that the nameless had accepted his fate to forever fight in the blood war.
Erikjust 7 months ago
@simfamSP Hey, my char was a mage and he still picked that mace up, while the only weapon he (hardly) used in the game was a GODDAMN DAGGER.
vonheisenberg 7 months ago
I just played the last part of this video a couple times, and I was able to understand what the mace is whispering to him, after all these years, I play the video on Youtube, and I understand it......
"What can change the nature of a man?"
slayer1am 7 months ago
I know all the endings aren't happy, but The Nameless One absorbs his mortality and regains all the memories and skills of previous lives, and The Transcendent One states that The Nameless One's lifespan is tallied in thousands of years. He can bring the dead back to life, which is something only a god can do, and if The Transcendent One wasn't just boasting, The Nameless One can now form planes of existence through sheer willpower. I don't think The Blood War could ever end him, especially now.
Valkod23 7 months ago
When I hear "What can change the nature of a man" I've got goosebumps.
Mateuszito1 8 months ago
I know. The last act of the game is overwhelmingly powerful. I can never make it through the end without crying.
Thagomizer 8 months ago
What makes it even more tragic, that there is no God in the Planescape Universe, just deities which are nothing more than superpowered beings, and NOT the creator of the whole Universe... so there is no chance to be saved in the Planescape universe even if you repent your sins. There is no hope and no faith as we know it.
cvuser11 8 months ago
That's just the Athar's view of things. Remember: in Planescape, belief IS reality. Faith and Hope are indeed useful in the the Planescape universe. Petitioners do go to the realm of their powers when they die. The Nameless One is obviously a special case; the crime of his original incarnation was great enough that all of the gods have forsaken him. In a sense, he has to assume the roles of both Adam AND Christ.
Thagomizer 8 months ago
@cvuser11 You are an ignorant fool. Just take your zealous christianity away from here. Leave it to religious nutjobs of any belief to try and ruin the premise of a damn video game because it doesn't adhere to their limited and mistaken views.
Valkod23 7 months ago
@Valkod23 Now just who is overzealous and an ignorant fool? Your kind fights against religion in the name of freedom of expression, but it seems that you are more zelous and have a more limited view than those you fight against: because you don't tolerate anyone who does not thing EXACTLY like you. Talking about nutjobs, just who was the one throwing wild accusations around, in a not quite so civil manner?
cvuser11 6 months ago
best rpg ever , truly a masterpiece ...
mirotrash 9 months ago
Instead of a TV series, film or whatever other adaptation, why not just let Chris Avellone lead design a brand new IP with full creative control and no bullshitting Publisher assholes around to ruin it. I mean, the man obviously has a lot of contempt for the OH-SO-bloody standard, pointless rpg tropes present everywhere throughout the genre. Anything he'd make would be digital gold.
KTodorov 9 months ago
My character ended up as a lvl 29 mage with tons of AoE-attacks. The fiends won't stand a chance >:)
HawaiiKnut 9 months ago
Notice that this is the only video where you get a good look at the TNO's eyes- eyes truly humane, full of understanding and compassion. In the end, he *became* human after all.
Acsabi44 9 months ago 7
There needs to be more games like this. Where you only start with a floating skull and no memory of your past life (in this case Lives.)
This should set the standard especially for Bethesda.
fhistleb 10 months ago
This game can't become a movie, because a movie couldn't explain even 5% of the overall plot of this game within two hours.
Hell, trying to explain The Nameless One's many incarnations would be two to three movies itself!
LumpyFudge 10 months ago 15
@LumpyFudge if not a movie, than perhaps a TV series.. Shows that are hosted on such channels like HBO and Starz are getting more popular because of their originality... If such a scenario were to happen with Planescape, I'd be very curious as to well it would do.
CorRomeister 9 months ago
Much as I would wish for a PS:T movie (handled correctly and intelligently), I admit many of the powerful nuances of the game's writing would be damn hard to make into something filmable. The audience would want a solid explanation, for instance of the first incarnation's actual crime, and TNO's true name when he learns it. Of course, this wouldn't have added to our playing experience if these things were actually revealed in the first place.
Thagomizer 8 months ago
@LumpyFudge The game could be made into a series, though. That's what the Russians did with books like Crime and Punishment, Master and Margarita, etc.
n4mel3ss 2 weeks ago
@LumpyFudge Then why go for a movie you said so yourself the game is filled to the brim with plot, so why not make it an anime series with 20 maybe 25 episodes?
We´ve already seen that Japan knows how to put together a decent series based on a game so why not also this one?
Erikjust 3 days ago
Does anyone knows what is that book that is shown in the last seconds? The one with the symbol and stuck on the horn.
Z3ra3l 10 months ago
@Z3ra3l I'd wager it's his journal
Slashex 9 months ago
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I've always had a small hunch that The Nameless One had something to do with the Lady of Pain getting caged into Sigil...
We do know that TNO had an earthshattering role in the Blood War, I dont recall what it was exactly...
And finally, I think it was stated in the sensory stones that he had caused the death of billions and billions in a past life (during some type of major war), possibly during the time of one of his incarnations. Remember the "Criers of Es-Annon"? That was HIS doing...
CorRomeister 10 months ago
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CorRomeister 10 months ago
whos fighting in the blood war? and can TNO actually die fighting in it?
dageezerboi 11 months ago
@dageezerboi The blood war is devils vs demons (they're called something else because this is AD&D 2nd edition), and TNO can die fighting in it, and I assume he does. Remember that he was seperated from his immortality, and it seems his first action is to go and die, perhaps to be at peace.
Nakasi100 10 months ago
This game so needs to be made into a movie trilogy.
zigra69 11 months ago
@TechnocratAftiel I meant the first science fiction game. And still no one has said what's actually wrong with Mass Effect so meh...
DarkOmenofLight 11 months ago
After all these years of playing this game, I literally cry at the final scene with the look of "knowing" he has just before entering the battle. Finally in peace with himself after so many lifes of searching.Going to hell to fight the eternal battle to atone for sins that can never be forgiven.
eLSkRi 11 months ago
Oh so that's where I left my journal. Silly me, I'm always forgetting things back in the Blood War. Journal, the keys to the truck, my enchanted dagger. Damn I'll have to get a journal so I can remind myself of where I leave my stuff. Hey, where's my journal?
DeltaBravo1216 1 year ago
Me : What ? it's the end ? Impossible ! Why !!!!
Thunker71 1 year ago
Great game.No more, no less.
ADAM27091978 1 year ago
I never really bought the idea that he would truly spend eternity in hell. It seemed like the sheer fact that he still existed, and the fact that you can just grin and run into the fray makes it seem like somehow, someday, you might actually break free of the Blood War.
And am I the only one who thought that the unnamed sin was that he started the Blood War? It seems like a fitting punishment that he should be sentenced to fight in it.
TheNucleicAcids 1 year ago
Who else got chills down you spine at 0:42 ? :p
Foxovsky 1 year ago
That game will live forever in my heart
Cascco 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you cry at the end.
YzyRpAToR 1 year ago 31
@YzyRpAToR
i cried, and i think its the best game ive ever played.
TheSliciak 3 months ago
And what can bring a man back to his nature ?
vorkz 1 year ago
"What can change the nature of a man ?" AWESOME !
Thunker71 1 year ago 4
Shut up illiterate ones, it's about repentance.
goodflo911 1 year ago
@goodflo911 Theme of this game is simple, but not simple as that.
wklea123 1 year ago
Doods. I think I got the ending. The d00d (Nameless) is all about scars and battle. He goes to war to further disembow himself, to change his nature of that of a true warrior, and to get to Deionarra. The end.
BustedHannela 1 year ago
Ah, best story ever for a vid game. You probably won't see a game like this again - too unusual for the masses, but you were lucky if you got to play it !
megawavez 1 year ago 4
Poor nameless one though. At least he should have the skillz to survive this.
Uberskull 1 year ago
I remember being stunned from the moment the story came together and everything was revealed.
After the ending Played i still kept sitting staring at the screen my mind trapped in the story.
Magnificent game! One of a kind. One of a disappearing kind!
Myxale 1 year ago 2
@Myxale I do not think it is disappearing as much as I think it is verey hard to recreat
ahmad3652 1 year ago
Badass ending.
But that final boss fight was a fucking joke.
XeftCore 1 year ago
@XeftCore
You aren't really meant to fight him. You can, but it's not the best ending.
Foaroan 1 year ago
@Foaroan Of course you're 'meant' to fight him. That's the whole point of an alternative.
Even so, let's go your route and say that you aren't meant to fight him; Is it really that difficult to make the final boss even remotely challenging?
All I had to do was melee spam and he came down like a fly.
XeftCore 1 year ago
They should've remade this game....truly inspiring stories which is scarce in today's games.
CuriousPersianCat 1 year ago
Best ending to any game ever and best story
xDeathInFirex 1 year ago
Dont forget "The Witcher" people, its also a classic RPG.
tantrumboy 1 year ago 2
@tantrumboy yes, Witcher one of best RPG, like Planescape.
signer0001 1 year ago
I'd be happy as hell if they made a remake of this game..just update the graphics and keep everything else the same.
gimplar 1 year ago
@gimplar they should remake it ala monkey island special edition
Vladutz2000 1 year ago
WHen I saw the ending i say : "WHAT !!?? THE END !!!?? Noooooooooooo !!! Fuuuuuuuuuuu !!!"
Thunker71 1 year ago
I just finished the game... and is the best storyline of all RPG i ever played. It's one of our crowned jewels. I think it changed my way of thinking about life, a little.
Not Baldur's Gate, nor Neverwinter Nights, not even NWN2. This is simply peace of art.
canariotimbrado 1 year ago 9
Nothing...
BanzaiRezhisser 1 year ago
It's been ages since I played PS:T last ... I still haven't found a better story in any other game. Have you?
ibubak 1 year ago 2
Hey...now thinking about it... TNO, if he merged with TTO, wouldn't that make him an untouchable solider for the blood war?
ninjaian 1 year ago
10 years later, I still consider this game the greatest, a true achievement in story telling and artistry.
firelord5000 1 year ago 7
Through all the struggle and pain he has encountered,
I believe the Nameless one would finally discover -
A simple thing "Choice" can always change a nature of man.
lordtan47 1 year ago
This ending made me very sad when I played it some years ago... I hoped that someday he would be rescued from hell by one of his party members...
Charrualoco 1 year ago
i love this game
CaptainJellico1701d 1 year ago
The actual answer was regret, given by the original "Good" incarnation. It led to his decision to split his mortality from himself to try to redeem his sins before he died.
Ssolvarain 1 year ago 4
"If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. Ive seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle."
CognizantCheddar 1 year ago 3
"This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me."
CognizantCheddar 1 year ago 4
Best story in a game ever. It's seriously doubt they will ever write a better one.
dreamdewil 2 years ago 33
@dreamdewil which is sad as hell dawg
scullyy 1 year ago
@dreamdewil Mask of the Betrayer came close (or as close as possible), not surprising since it had many of the original crew working on it. Knights of the Old republic 2 also had many elements of Planescape, though it was still a very good story it wasn't quite on MotB or Planescape level. So yeah, if the guy who wrote (most of) Planescape can't top it, nobody can.
giantrobots1122 6 months ago
@giantrobots1122 The problem is, in today's market, every dialogue needs to be voiced in a game, consider PS:T 800,000 words of dialogue, that's an impossibility. Content is not everything surely, but with limitations like that, you have less to work with.
uninterestingentity 6 months ago
When someone talks about a tragic story (like Macbeth), this story is what I think of. It surpasses so many others, not only because of its mood and theme, but because of its scale. Even though we play only a small part of it, the story stretches so much further back. And it isnt just the tragic story of The Nameless One, but of all who bear the mark of Torment. In the end, there is no redemption, no release, and no victory, only sacrifice. THAT is the definition of tragedy.
Crashen17 2 years ago 97
my answer was regret... because only by realizing your mistakes you can change them.
45axelh 1 year ago
@Crashen17 you my friend, truely understand the meaning of a tragic story
wingedserpentwarrior 1 year ago
Is it natural that every time I play this game my prostate begins to gently hum and vibrate and semen pour from my urethra until I stop playing?
92tillinfinity 2 years ago 8
@92tillinfinity lol??? :))))
vladamirrrr 2 years ago
@92tillinfinity Uhh...no it's not normal.
soulsingxkill 2 years ago 2
@92tillinfinity Do you know what you said is the only comment that i have no answer to
mooobtube 1 year ago
i have just finished it. it is so f***ing great. simply genius.
mawerickkk 2 years ago 4
Sorrow... this story full of sorrow... best story ever told...
morturan 2 years ago 6
Best RPG EVER...
vault2077 2 years ago 7
Anything, so long as they are willing to change.
IEllipsisI 2 years ago
This is the best game I ever played. Absolutely awsome: Dark, gory and wonderfully weird!
Palantarian 2 years ago 12
You can solve the final encounter in 4 or 5 ways, and only one of them involves actual combat.
Talk about role-playing!
Acsabi44 2 years ago 8
There are four, but some double:
-Suicide(x2)
-Fight(x1)
-Convince to merge(x2.. i think)
-Threat to merge(x1 or 2, not sure)
Arsheerek 2 years ago
And also you can simply "unsummon" him.
Acsabi44 2 years ago
Playing Planescape was the first time I'd tried an RPG, as I had not been a fan of the genre up till then. I found it to be, and it remains, one of the best games I've ever played. It's one of the games I wish I could go back and enjoy again for the first time, like a really great book or movie.
P0cketfull0fsunshine 2 years ago 9
Time for you to try Baldur's Gate and Arcanum then, they're just as good, but more combat focused compared to Planescape.
andreiclawhammer 2 years ago
Yeah I've played Baldur's gate I and II and loved them, never tried Arcanum though. I'll check it out.
I guess the first one you try always sticks with you though - sort of like you're first MMO.
P0cketfull0fsunshine 2 years ago
this whole game was such a chilling and gloomy experience and this ending was amazing. No game has stuck in my mind like planescape: torment over the years.
mark1m 2 years ago 11
Its the best game in history :)
RoyalDante96 2 years ago 35
agreed.
Peter7Paul 2 years ago
Where else can you find a talking skull and a zen warrior master as team mates??? I WANT THIS GAME BACK AAAARRGH!!!
DamianRavenblood 2 years ago 2
sites like ebay and amazon regularly have it on there.
SYST3MSHOCK 2 years ago
Best game fucking ever...
VooDooMadMan 2 years ago 3
What can change the nature of a man ?
I'd like to say : relief ...
zarkafloum 2 years ago
For TNO it was regret, as for the rest of us, well, that depends on the individual.
necris616 2 years ago 2
Agree.
That's what i mean by saying relief. To get relieved from those regrets, maybe. The game itself is about that. Or maybe i just drink way too much. :D
zarkafloum 2 years ago
I had this game and threw it away rashly. i know its just a game, but i still deeply regret doing that. Where on line can i order this cheap and unused??? Presently, the only options available to me is torrent. help!!!! None of the game shops here in manila have it anymore. don't know where else to look.
DamianRavenblood 2 years ago 3
You silly you. I look down on your stupidity and... oh yeah, I spit in your general direction.
Bobopoa 2 years ago
You can always try Ravel and ask her to make you immortal. Then you'll forget about this game, be immortal yourself and try the best experience of all planes : Being the nameless one himself :p
G0DVL 2 years ago 3
@DamianRavenblood
"I had this game and threw it away rashly. i know its just a game, but i still deeply regret doing that."
:]
Frostiken 11 months ago
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It's not regret. It was belief.
Larrath 2 years ago
I disagree, for the nameless one it was time. The proof is all the previous incarnations of the same man.
Peter7Paul 2 years ago
Looking at the protagonist's story I would say: "losing memory". The Nameless one was the (un)living proof of that. We see that, through his resurrection amnesias, he's been totally different persons, some noble and gentle, other selfish and brutal.
humaneeds 2 years ago 4
Yes, but what may be the cause of him loosing memory might be regret :
Won't you want to forget something and try something new when you regret what you have done ?
Wasn't the first incarnation regret so strong that it dissocied its mortality from him at the ritual that made him immortal ?
Finally, isn't regret the source of his memory to disappear only because the first incarnation *believes* so, and as belief can make the plane, it can make him that way ?
G0DVL 2 years ago 2
Many of his incarnations had been gentle and probably had little to regret. It seems more likely that the amnesias were an integral part of his boon/curse.
humaneeds 2 years ago
@humaneeds Belief is what can change the nature of man. The Nameless One states this during one of the ways you can overcome the Transcendent One. Whether it's regret, anger, or amnesia, whatever you believe can change the nature of man, can.
So while Belief is the right answer, so too is every other answer.
This is also why many had gotten Ravel's riddle wrong, while she would accept any of YOUR answers. They tried to give the answer they thought SHE wanted, and not what they truly BELIEVED.
Lifeswipe 2 years ago 10
You are right, but the most general and most true answer to this great question of the game is "immortality". Immortality can change the nature of man and Ravel has proven it to TNO. It changed his nature so much that he got tired of endless life and wanted only to die. No such answer in the game though as far as I remember.
Damythxful 1 year ago 2
@Damythxful the answer is "regret". it was regret that made TNO look for immortality because he started to regret his actions and realized he would need to lot of time to do good deeds to outweigh all the evil he did. so he found ravel, she made him immortal, but when she killed him he lost his memory. I still wonder how did the practical incarnation found out about the bronze sphere
dejvo0 1 year ago
@Damythxful Oh come on, man, I think that by now it should be pretty obvious:
TORMENT can change the nature of a man. TNO's Torment (immortality) changed him constantly. Dak'kon's torment turned him from a proud warrior into a slave at heart. Morte was a liar, a cheat and a horrible person, and he turned into a loyal companion. Annah was a shameful collector and she developed love for TNO through her own torment. The torment of being split from his kind made Nordom unique... And so on!
Owneador1337 3 months ago
@Owneador1337 The question is purposefully subjective. The true answer, however, is BELIEF. The game gradually teaches you this. It's how you absorb your other incarnations, it's how you create Adahn, it's how Trias tricks you, it's how Forktongue is bound and it's how you cause the trees to flourish. Belief makes things manifest, it shapes the planes around you. Finally, whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, does. It's the answer that applies no matter what the case.
Rikiruto 3 months ago
@Rikiruto I disagree. Though belief can in fact shape the planes (trees, Adahn, Curst, etc); the question is what can change the nature of a man (his basic personality, his essence), not what can shape the planes. I think that, in that sense, the game does show you that every single playable character has changed due to a personal torment which The Nameless One caused in the first place (and thus, they are attracted to him): He killed Vhailor, turned an innocent child into Ignus, etc.
Owneador1337 3 months ago
@Owneador1337 Torment did not change The Nameless One. Torment gravitated the people around The Nameless One towards him. Torment is what The Nameless One left in his wake.
Rikiruto 3 months ago
@Rikiruto But he IS tormented himself. His torment is immortality. His torment is in fact the greatest, in my opinion. Not only does he suffer a whole lot with it - it's also endless, he can't escape it unless he faces his destiny and makes a tremendous effort to die.
Owneador1337 3 months ago
If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. I’ve seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. (continued in next reply)
Rikiruto 3 months ago
@Owneador1337 Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.
-The Nameless One
Rikiruto 3 months ago
@Rikiruto Yes, of course, but you can also answer other stuff to the question. There are plenty of different answers, huh?
Owneador1337 3 months ago
Belive it !
andreiclawhammer 2 years ago
I'm taking you didn't like it? :D
SpaceCadet1 2 years ago
One final comment, if I may. Only a tale such as this can leave you with warm, fuzzy feeling inside when the main character goes to hell.
Phobos1313 2 years ago 109
@WillSanders84
*Endure.* In enduring, grow strong.
Phobos1313 2 years ago
@JangoWuzHere
Glad to see one of the faithful here.
For TNO, it took a *fortress* of regret, accumulated over many years, to change a man.
Phobos1313 2 years ago
As for the whole "what can change the nature of a man," I think it's clear that this is a very subjective question, one entirely dependent on the individual. Ravel herself plainly admitted that she didn't know the answer, and that she only wanted TNO's answer. If a githzerai had heard her question, he would say, "Ach'ali drowning." It is futile to ask Ravel's question. Rather, one should ask, "What can change the nature of *this* man?"
Phobos1313 2 years ago 5
Deionarra sees the future. That's explanation enough for the receipt. Secondly, the devs deliberately left out his real name, because a player would think, "I could've come up with something better." He wants to lose his "immortality" because he is repeatedly warned that, though his body be nigh indestructible, his mind is on the brink of failure. We can only speculate as to his true age, as most of his recovered memories come from the Good, the Paranoid, and the Practical.
Phobos1313 2 years ago
Why does Deionoraa leave the receipt to the Godsmen Foundry to pick up the portal to Ravel's Maze, in her legacy? I really do not get it. And also,....if Iannis, the advocate is her father then the event of her death was not long ago. Its confusing to me, and it doesnt specificy entirely. I mean, we never learn his real name, how old he is, or why he wanted to lose is immortality. Just meh.
Xziz10ths 2 years ago
Anything can change the nature of a man rather it be Love, death, strength anything.
For the TNO it was regret.
JangoWuzHere 2 years ago
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it sounds like runescape
kingaliali1234321 2 years ago
The answer to the question is either experience or nothing, as the Transcendent One claims. It depends from which point do you look at the question.
Experience is the most logical answer. From what you experience during your life, you run into things that can change you. People especially change other people.
Nothing is the answer if you go with the claim that if you changed, it means that it was already in your nature to change, thus, nothing can change the nature of a man.
PS T is awesome.
Shrike100 2 years ago 7
AH! I get it. Death can change the nature of man. I think.
Bidmartinlo 2 years ago
Regret can change the nature of the man. He didn't die, so how could it have changed his nature?
Atanai 2 years ago 2
It seems he have died. I havn't played the game, so I have no idea.
Bidmartinlo 2 years ago
Death changed his nature from the first incarnation, belief changed his nature as the incarnation you play in the game.. He probably changed nature due to all kinds of things. Love, fear, hate, power, candy. That's what i love about this game. It just makes you think.
Rav0n 2 years ago 3