He doesn't reject people. THEY reject him. Anyone who judges someone for their lifestyle, even though they too worship him is a flat out sin. Jesus didn't bash and harrass people when for their actions. And people who are doing that today call themselves "children of god." Shame
The BIBLE is NOT a documentary of Jesus' life nor is it a blueprint on how to get to "heaven" Hell its not even a LITERAL account of what ACTUALLY took place...SMH ask GOD whatever you like and it WILL resppnd directly to you...If youre willing to LISTEN and ACCEPT what youre told...
I love being an atheist. I don't have to hold people up on a pedestal. If people would just walk a mile in their shoes, they would stop the judgments. For example: Gay people never 'chose' their lifestyle. I hate when people say that. Making gay people change their sexuality does not work and can cause severe psychological damange. Psychologists stopped classifying homosexuality as a mental disorder several decades ago. It's almost 2012, and things need to change.
@TheAtomicBrain454, well, yes ... I would agree with that. They reject God and as such they are rejected by God. The Bible teaches that God hates both the sinner and the sin. God cannot force anyone into Heaven.
If you think homosexuality is bad, as it says in the old testament, do you wear... MIXED FIBER CLOTHING!! *GASP* DO YOU EAT SHELLFISH!! ABOMINATION!!!
@TranzHunk ---The dif between shelfish and homosexuality is that Jesus declared all foods to be clean, but he did NOT declare homosexuality to be "clean", as reminded in Romans. Immoral behaviors come from within a man, and that is what defiles him, but all food goes in, out, and into the ter-lit.
Were not here to judge people for their mistakes but our church does not allow those kind of people. You're there either to ask for help and change your life by hearing the true and pure words from God! Repent for your sins and God will listen to you
This is a desperate church that is loosing people like a sinking ship because they do not believe in our Lord Jesus Christ. They must use silly, condescending commercials to try to brainwash people to come to their dying buildings. Preach the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and stop denying His resurrection. Stop telling sinners to continue in their sins, condoning evil behavior. Stop denying the truth of the scripture or you will continue perishing into oblivion for eternity.
I Cor 5:9-11. wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 1 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it. 1 Cor. 10:13
Being "gay" is no different than other things the bible says to flee. God provides a chance for lives to be changed by his power regardless of the situation. church should set the atmospher for CHANGE and LOVE all people! Love the sinner, hate the sin!
God doesn't reject people, but he does turn their life around! Church should provide an opportunity for lives to be changed and set free. If church doesn't do that then what's the point of going...
Only a person who has created their own version of Jesus could declare that Jesus did not love people enough to warn them about sin and judgement.
Jesus taught, rebuked and forgave those who accepted correction. Those who reject Jesus clear call to repentance reject the very eye witness testimony of the diciples and apostles who recorded Who he was what he said and what how did.
No Christian delights in seeing people carry on in sin and leave Christ as he actually is. They reject Jesus.
God judges. Yes. Only he has the right to judge. This is saying that the United Church of Christ will not reject you because you are homosexual, a single mother, or anything that does not fit the mold. EVERYONE has a right to worship and learn more about God. Anyone who says different is under false delusions.
This is how it starts. By the way, whom are you referring to when you use the word "Christ?" And yes God likely does reject people, He is not an all accepting God, unless you are referring to someone other than the Almighty Lord God. Lucifer will accept all these misgivings, if that be your gaud?
How much more can you love your neighbor than to let them participate fully in worship of God and not get in their way?
That's what made me decide that the UCC was a great church. You can't say you love your neighbor and then turn around and tell them there's something fundamentally wrong with them. You can't love someone then browbeat them into living a lie. That's controlling them. Love people. Don't make an idol out of a book.
As for people who are saying the UCC claims other churches won't let single moms or the disabled in - that's not what the ad means. It means that while these groups might well be allowed into the service, they are looked askew and treated like they are less or "icky" and that makes those folks feel unwelcome. Sure, they let them in the door, but then harangue them about being sinners and needing to change - or politely snub them at best. Not all churches do that, but it happens enough.
this type of church accepts homosexuality as normal when in the bible it teaches that it is an abomination. its one thing to accept homosexuals in the church to hear the message, give their hearts to Jesus Christ, and to leave their life of sin, but its another to applaud them for their behavior and preach that it is okay to be gay. just as you would not applaud someone for murdering or stealing.
@monicacristina319 It is also an abomination to eat shellfish or pork. Do you avoid those as well? Also, other people have read the Bible verses *in context* and with knowledge of the original languages and it doesn't mean what homophobes says it means. Look, I used to be where you are now, taking the word of conservative preachers. When I got out and interacted with people and thought for myself, I realized that gay people can't change who they are and it is cruel to demand they do so.
@yzetta God can change them and it will probably be a long process, just like with any other sin or additction. The bible does talk about lust of the flesh, which I belive this can be one of them. (Sorry don't have the verse ref right now.) Church should provide a chance for people to be changed regardless of what the situation is. If you accept people acting on gay lifestyles then you might as well accept a murderous and stealing behavior. Love all people, but hate sin!
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
ya sure? a quick google check on all three organizations proves otherwise. im not religious at all, so i try to avoid bias on every issue regarding it.
@Christianpreaching Hahahahahaha! That's a good one. The UCC is made of 3 churches that merged in 1957. One of the churches was the Congregationalist church - a denomination that traces itself all the way back to colonial times (you know, the Pilgrims?) - several of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Congregationalists.
@yzetta Just because a church is old doesnt mean it cant apostocise or be a cult. The Catholic church is even older and its a large, old cult that killed millions in the dark ages. Although the UCOC isnt running an inqusition, they back gay marriage which is in opposition to biblical teaching. They also support abortion, which goes against true Christian teaching, making it a cult. By the way, the "jedi mind trick" of foolishly laughing only works on the weak minded.
@Christianpreaching I'm just laughing because the assertion you make about the denomination is absurd. I don't expect it to have any effect on your mind at all. I do know this: the two greatest commandments, are (paraphrased) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength and Love your neighbor as yourself. What do they have in common? Love. I love my gay brothers and sisters and I love people who've had abortions. I don't see how shutting folks out loves them.
@EvilTim1234 It was too political apparently. The right took exception to a church advocating equal rights for gays at a time when Bush lite was trying to ban gay marriage. it was nothing more than the right exerting pressure to frighten network execs into validating their prejudices. The actions of the networks show the urgent need for equal rights protection for LGBT people.
I have never known of any church that rejects the disabled. Homosexuals - yes, I know there are religious organizations whose goal is to transform them through Christ and believe homosexuality is a sin as written in the Bible. Where this, and other UCC ads are misleading, is when they portray fellow Christians as being intolerant of babies crying, gay couples attending a service, a disabled man using a walker, and so forth. These ads are hypocritical in that the UCC is bearing false witness.
@bigskybcs Many churches do not welcome single moms, allow children to attend the main service, ordain women, welcome gay people, have dress codes, etc. We practice "Extravagant Welcoming". This is a big difference. That is the point of the ad.
@jglanton I would like you to NAME these denominations.. specifically. The UCC ad makes the blanket assumption that all churches, except for them, are run like an exclusive country club. I have attended many types of services at a variety of churches, & NEVER had an experience such as what's in the ad. I know there are smaller, less "popular" faiths that have unusual rules that are definitely not in line with Christian values (or Biblical, for that matter), but they are NOT mainstream.
@bigskybcs We have been to two area Baptist Churches that exclude children from the main worship and have strict dress codes. We have other members of our church who have similar stories and worse. Gays not welcome, etc.
@jglanton So you've been to 2 churches & guessed that they exclude children from main worship.. Did you ask why? I've NEVER encountered what you're describing. Some churches require that heads be covered -- or that women wear dresses - if you don't want that, don't attend that church. The ad is WRONG & is bearing false witness against fellow Christians. The most repulsive claim is the one about not accepting the disabled in church. The UCC should stand behind their claim & name these churches.
@bigskybcs I doubt that it bearing false witness becasue althought the christian church follows the laws of god including equity that doesn't mean that every christian church follows this rule. I beleive that a few decasdes ago white and black people weren't even allowed in the same church. some churches including christiand church will reject gays or any other individual they beleive that don't follow thier standards.
@jglanton some church exclude children from main worship, because they may not understand. that's just what i believe, i think that's why they have sunday school classes, to teach them on their own level.
@jglanton To make it easier - please name a church/denomination that does not allow single moms... does not allow children in the main service... let's start there.
@bigskybcs The ad uses a dramatic representation of what is practiced in some churches/denominations: the "this far and no further" rules. You can be gay, love God with every fibre of your being, tithe regularly, but you will not be ordained, and your relationship with the person you wish have a your life-partner will not be blessed. UCC is not accusing anyone. They are saying, if you have experienced a less than genuine welcome somewhere else, you will not have that experience here.
Big difference between the UCC and a real christian church. The UCC encourages homosexuals to embrace their sin. A real christian church should welcome homosexuals and help them overcome their sin. Homosexuality is a sin just like any other. Church should be a place for healing through community and fellowship. The UCC fails to hold people accountable to the Bible's standards.
What I love about the UCC is that you can believe anything you want. There are no demands, no judgements, no calling this sin or that sin. The 10 Commandments are so, like YESTERDAY, you know? And in the UCC you can even have as many abortions as you want with a clear conscience. That means we can love with complete freedom in a sexual way without worrying about bringing a pesky kid into the world.
It was obviously banned because it was too 'tolerant'. After all, most Christians don't want to be like Jesus, they want to be bigots.
It's kind of nice knowing there are still nice, compassionate 'Christlike' Christians. I'm an Atheist, but I applaud this kind of attitude toward our fellow man. Don't let the bigots hold you back.
@Purplelady0790 Obviously my comment of bigot Christians was not aimed at you then. I was not saying that ALL Christians are bigots, only that many of them are. As I said, I appreciate the Christians that can go outside what their bible tells them, especially the old testament, and truly empathize and accept other people the way that they are, rather than thinking there is something wrong with the person who is different from them.
@Reazzurro90 How is that ridiculous? The only way to know what Jesus was like is to read the bible, correct? Many atheists read the bible, and that is actually how I became an atheist. Tell me, what other way is there to know what Jesus was like? Do Christians have a secret time machine that they use to go back and investigate with?
Anyone who has read the bible, or studied it can tell you what Jesus was like. It doesn't matter what religion they are, or lack there of.
I'm saying that atheists aren't committed enough to understanding Christian doctrine and tradition to make a proper guess at what Jesus was like. Yes Jesus preached a message of mercy, but also proclaimed that he would judge.
He did say 'I did not come to bring peace, but a sword'. He also was specific about the necessity to repent, to walk a life for Christ. He wasn't afraid to reprimand people, to condemn them, or to embarrass them.
i love our commercials. ^_^ i'm sad that the commercial was banned. i blame the conservatives of the country (both out and inside our church). but that's the great thing about our denomination i guess...so many diverse beliefs in one church.
So in other words we don't give a crap what the Bible says about homosexuality just come anyway hey we don't even read those parts anyway! United Church of Antichrist!
The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. ~Lynn Lavner~
@videoGAMESgurl God hates sin thats it. Whether you steal or sleep with the same sex. A sin is a sin and you shouldnt live in it. Bible clearly states hate the sin not the sinner.
i love this one. :) it kinda pisses me off that this was banned though. Its not like its posing a HUGE threat to human society or anything, It's just like other people are trying to get rid of this because of their opinion about it and they are brainwashing society to follow their own beliefs. What the hell happened to the freedom of speech?
@2MakeTheDiffeerence - I don’t believe in the concept of Sin, Hell and Satan. Religion wants us to believe that God is just, and that he will punish sin., telling us a poison story about ourselves because it doesn’t want us to like ourselves one little bit .So it denigrates us from the moment we’re born as unworthy unclean and stained with SIN persuading us that there’s something we need to be saved from. I believe in moral relativism, and dynamic ethics not a book of fables claiming truth.
@2MakeTheDiffeerence But the Catholic Church rejects people. Not sins. Pope Rodrigo, incest, child molestation, Pope Urban, Crusades, and um, let's see here. They refer to the Catholic leader as Pope, or "papa," "father," inferring that he is God.
great people but their doctrine is not of god. They agree with the gay life and marry them,.. they worship the earth and not he creator of earth.,..THEY PRAY ...OUR MOTHER AND FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN...the last i read the bible it said!..our father..not mother..who you refering to,. mother earth. Please im not judging.just concered about this once great church.....they speak of god,but they seem to make there own rules... I do agree that we ALL. no matter what.. are children of God.
@timesatickin this is not the church of Christ. this is a group that "branched" off and rejected the true doctrine. do not confuse this with the Lord's chruch
What the heck is that? It's not a church of Christ, it's just a joke. True church would never bless lesbian union. If you're saying that you are a christian and you support gay "marriage", you either don't have a clue what it means to be one, or you are just being completely ignorant.
Ugh, I thought this commercial should be pretty cut and dry. I should have known that people are erroneous and sometimes religiously crazy and would argue the one thing of many in this video. Maybe some of you should join westboro baptist...
@gmmcnair true he did and we should welcome everyone but he also stood up for what he believed, now the baby was just stupid, but the gay couple would need to change. Jesus fought hard for what he believed. He went into the temple a threw tables bc they were sinning in the temple of God.
Considering the very consistent scientific data that is out there, enforced by the APA, I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree on the gay couple.
First, the scant biblical verses which reference same sex sexual behavior do not indicate that God frowns on people who are gay. God is the creator, and God can make people however God so chooses, no matter what you or anyone else has to say about it.
Second, the Bible is not the only source through which God speaks. Open your eyes and heart to the world around you; God is truly still speaking, every moment!
@kute1livn4jc God's word isn't confined to the Bible, or rather, human interpretation of what the Bible says and means. God's word is God's word, and to paraphrase John Wesley, it may be revealed through scripture, tradition, experience, and reason.
@mahoneychris17 ......the Bible is a book about God, it is not God's words. The teachings and concepts of God found in the Bible reflect the teachings, understanding, and belief systems of the men(human beings) of a specific time, men who were influenced by a legalistic, patriarchal society. Primitive thinking humans who lived 1000s of years ago did not have the knowledge or understanding we have today, they only had what their society and culture told them to believe. You have BLIND faith.
@17R3W But the anglican church supports gay marriage (church wise, i am for gay marriage statewise). I do not "hate" gays. It is simply that sex IS a holy thing that was meant for creating children. Men can have relationships, especially loving relationships. It is simply that they cant be sexual. It is a sin for a man to waste his seed.
No. These guys are Congregationalism's version of PCUSA. Better Congregational churches would be found in CCC(Conservative Congregational Conference), which still isn't always Christianity, but it's closer. Gleason Archer was the most recent Congregationalist teacher that was Christian.
There are other independent, non-denominational Congregational Churches that are more Christian. Park Street in Boston does some good work.
Even though I am a devout Catholic I am a big fan of Gleason Archer since his knowledge of ancient Greek is so helpful to my theological studies. My problem with this video is that its message is false.
For instance the Catholic Church is made up of straights, gays, black, white and Asian, handicapped and others. However we have not surrendered the idea that sin exists and that it separates us from God.
In that way we come together as sinners seeking God's mercy now and forever.
"My problem with this video is that its message is false."
This video is about the United Church of Christ. Only some congregational churches joined the UCC. I was talking about the CCC churches that are more conservative. Gleason Archer would have hated the UCC if he saw it.
For the record, I'm not a member of either the UCC or the CCC or any other denomination.
@Bureyeanne That's ok. Many of us still respect you as a person and your right to choose a church, temple, mosque, other or no religion at all. So, since you state emphatically that Jesus was married, without comment on the scriptures handed down to us from the "Early Church" that say that he wasn't, should I assume that you are more "liberal" than the UCC? Most people who disrespect the UCC would never say something like "Jesus was married".
Master: [Hebrew and Aramaic] |kjv: man, owner, husband, master, lord|
3w(dot)ancient-hebrew(dot)org 16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[or in a modern context, [husband]. Ergo the term "Master of the house" or "Animal husbandry" (now called Animal Science) it is a term that means to govern.
The Apostles call Jesus Master you say? Yes because in their sense Jesus acts as the presiding authority like a father.
@Bureyeanne My, you take it upon yourself to read a lot into the word "Master". It could mean:
Perhaps it simply means master teacher, as Rabbi means teacher.
He's her/their actual Master, since slavery was common & accepted.
They are apprentices and he is their master/shepherd/leader. (Seems most likely & is what you CHOOSE for the Disciples. Apostles were after he ascended.)
Simply a title of respect like Master or Sir or Lord, as it was in feudal Europe or Mister or Sir or Herr today.
@Baritone45 Bottom line is dude that you cannot argue with gods word you can try to argue with me but when it all comes down to it GOD is and always will be the finaly authority and if you really want to keep debating this i suggest reading those two websites i gave which will be extrmely more then enough to get GODS word through ... NOT my thoughts on the subject but only GODS have a nice day sir
@pogolw101 Bottom line is that God created homosexual people and homosexual animals. You would rather believe ancient scriptures (that you pick while you ignore others) than the obvious facts of nature around you.
And God gave choice to Adam & Eve. Now you want to take choice away from other people, through the force of government. You are playing God, when God himself doesn't play that way.
@Baritone45 oh and just to make something clear on the stuff that you say about me going by the old testament umm yes i do believe in the history of it but as i showed u that there are scripture in the new testament about homosexuality goes to show (whispering) god still condemns it even today :) and something else were there at any point where i through hateful words , phrases and or things that express my opinion mhmmm nope only gods :0
@pogolw101 Your New Testament quotes were all about obedience. Jesus never said ONE WORD against homosexuals, but he said A LOT against self-righteous judgmental people like you. So mind your own business.
@faithfulstronghold Because if you don't keep Kosher, the same old Jewish laws that say to stone gays and girls/women/boys/men who have premarital sex, also condemn you.
So what do you think? Are you going to Hell for eating a cheeseburger? (Mixing meat and dairy is a grave sin accoring to the Old Testament.)
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators [Gk: paramours], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gk: catamites], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [Gk: sodomites] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).
AND do you even know what the old testament is? IT is history of our world ,not believeing in that is basically saying that you dont believe GOD made the world which is in the 1st book genesis and you cant say oh i beleive some parts of the bible , you cant pick and choose the whole bible was inspired by GOD to pick and choose is well just having it fit your lifestyle and how you feel and anywhere have i expressed any of my veiws on homosexuality? nope all of it was bible
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even [1] their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also [2] the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense [penalty] of their error which was meet [due]" (Rom. 1:26-27).
@Baritone45 here are othere NEW TESTAMENT scriptures that deal with homosexuality I Timothy 1:10 Homosexuality must be accepted for what God says it is-- sin. Some homosexuals will attempt to circumvent the plain teaching of the Bible with the insipid reply that they are the way God made them. There is not the slightest bit of evidence in Scripture to support this false concept. God never created man with a so-called "homosexual need." No baby is born a homosexual.
@Baritone45 Every baby is born male or female. In every place the Bible refers to homosexuality, the emphasis is upon the perversion of sexuality. The practicing homosexual is guilty of "leaving the natural use of the woman" (Romans 1:27), meaning that his behaviour is "against nature" as in the case of the lesbian (Romans 1:26). Inasmuch as homosexuality is opposed to the regular law and order of nature, the genetic concept must be ruled out completely.
@Baritone45 SO your basically calling God ignorant which mean he knows nothing bc Paul was inspired by God , God was telling him what to write if you call paul ignorant then ur also saying God is ignorant i would really like to lean why the real reason it is why u feel like thiswould i be ok if we started over with a clean slate mhmm maybe forgive me? id like to talk through email which would be alot easier lol im sry if this is coming off as a debate or argument didnt mean it to be that way
@pogolw101 I think you've helped me refine my argument. Thanks. The point is this. Was Paul God, or was/is Jesus God? Which one said discriminatory things against homosexuals? Paul. Were the Jews of the Old Testament God or was/is Jesus God? Which one codified laws against homosexuals, women, foreigners, the sick and a whole host of people? The ancient Jews.
Respond to this video... Furthermore, if homosexuality is such a sin, then why did GOD not say anything against it while he was here as Jesus? As for the perfection of Paul. Why did Jesus promote women in his parables, his actions, and as close followers while Paul told women to sit by themselves and be silent in church?!!
@Baritone45 'Cos people are imperfect and everyone has an agenda, even if they don't think they do. That is why no one has the right to hold themselves above others.
So why was it banned? I have to watch Axe shower gel commercials about "washing your balls", but this is banned? Good grief. Yes, I would hate for the gays to be shown any christian love! What are they supposed to do, you people who think they are such horrid sinners? Have to sign some pledge that they will hate themselves 24/7, or that they won't do anything "gay" around you? You tell them they're going to hell,but show them no love. And don't give me that "love the person hate the sin" crap.
@shooster11 God created gay people. Is God imperfect, or is homosexuality natural? And why would God create people just to condemn them? I say it's the old Jewish laws that are wrong.
Jesus was ALWAYS for the foreigner, the outcast and the powerless over the rich, powerful and religious leaders. In today's world that translates to Mexicans, African-Americans, Indians, gays, lesbians, and Muslims.
@Baritone45 God didnt creat gay people there was either something that happened in some part of there life where they were taught that it doesnt matter what u are and they were not taught the real truth God did not creat homosexuals parents of homosexuals are the ones to blame for not teaching the kids right
@Baritone45 GOd didnt creat gay people there had to be some part in there life where they were either molested or a feeling for a friend transformed into a feeling of love bc thats what they thought it was BUt if they were taught that it was wrong then that feeling would have been just that a feeling of love but not the kinda love that men and women share it was the parents role to teach them right from wrong and if they alsowerent taught right from the bible then it wasthere parents fault so on
@Baritone45 sorry i sent that many hahah didnt think it went thru and actually yes i have gotten to talk to a gay person and he was very open to me i know alot of people who are gay BUT i am not the one who condemns i am only a messenger and thats what all christians are to be doing which is spreadin the word of jesus christ like it says to do and here are a couple verses that gives Gods take on homosexuality and yes i agree its not my right to judge only God is able to and also ALL SIN IS SAME
@Baritone45 GOd didnt creat gay people there had to be some part in there life where they were either molested or a feeling for a friend transformed into a feeling of love bc thats what they thought it was BUt if they were taught that it was wrong then that feeling would have been just that a feeling of love but not the kinda love that men and women share it was the parents role to teach them right from wrong and if they alsowerent taught right from the bible then it wasthere parents fault so on
@Baritone45 Leviticus 18:22 - Leviticus 20:13 , Corinthians 6:9 Romans 1:26-27 I Timothy 1:8-11 Jude 1:6-7 So if you really want to know what GOD thinks about homosexuality look at those . People Dont like obediance and thats why most rebel at these thoughts . God commands obediance towards him Romans 2:13 John 8:32 John 15:10 Matt 28:20 1 John 3:23 John 14:23-24 1 John 2:4-5 Luke 6:46 Luke 11:28 Luke 6:46-49 There are alot on obediance but i think this is enough
@pogolw101 I'm talking about life in the Old Testament. Same thing you're talking about. You do realize they had slaves back then? (not imported Africans, but other Jews and Arabs who were just slaves) And they had to keep Kosher. And women could not cut their hair or go out during their time of the month. Noone had a say in whom they married. It was a lot like Afghanistan is now. That's the lifestyle you want to go back to, right?
@Baritone45 The teachings of Jesus, the Council of Jerusalem, and other New Testament teachings (John 1:16-17, Acts 13:39, Romans 2:25-29, 8:1-4, 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:15) make it clear that Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, sacrifice, feast days, Sabbath observance, ritual cleanness, etc.
@pogolw101 So then why do you choose to follow the Torrah/Old Testament laws that discriminate against gays? Because your church leaders CHOOSE to, in opposition to the teachings you just cited!!
@pogolw101 No, I don't want any pre-Christian laws. I am perfectly happy living in the 21st Century. I just wish you people who want Torrah law and those who want Shariah Law (not much difference) would go away and leave the rest of us alone. You came to my church's advertisement with your pre-conceived notions and insistence on one or two pre-Christian laws.
He doesn't reject people. THEY reject him. Anyone who judges someone for their lifestyle, even though they too worship him is a flat out sin. Jesus didn't bash and harrass people when for their actions. And people who are doing that today call themselves "children of god." Shame
TheCrippledCrow 4 days ago
The BIBLE is NOT a documentary of Jesus' life nor is it a blueprint on how to get to "heaven" Hell its not even a LITERAL account of what ACTUALLY took place...SMH ask GOD whatever you like and it WILL resppnd directly to you...If youre willing to LISTEN and ACCEPT what youre told...
googlemaps2 1 month ago
I love being an atheist. I don't have to hold people up on a pedestal. If people would just walk a mile in their shoes, they would stop the judgments. For example: Gay people never 'chose' their lifestyle. I hate when people say that. Making gay people change their sexuality does not work and can cause severe psychological damange. Psychologists stopped classifying homosexuality as a mental disorder several decades ago. It's almost 2012, and things need to change.
spacefreak09 1 month ago
No church should reject any person, but churches are obligated to reject immoral behavior such as homosexuality.
TheAtomicBrain454 2 months ago
God doesn't reject people? ... Try telling that to the millions already in Hell.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem --The people in hell are there because THEY rejected God.
TheAtomicBrain454 2 months ago
@TheAtomicBrain454, well, yes ... I would agree with that. They reject God and as such they are rejected by God. The Bible teaches that God hates both the sinner and the sin. God cannot force anyone into Heaven.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
If you think homosexuality is bad, as it says in the old testament, do you wear... MIXED FIBER CLOTHING!! *GASP* DO YOU EAT SHELLFISH!! ABOMINATION!!!
TranzHunk 2 months ago
@TranzHunk ---The dif between shelfish and homosexuality is that Jesus declared all foods to be clean, but he did NOT declare homosexuality to be "clean", as reminded in Romans. Immoral behaviors come from within a man, and that is what defiles him, but all food goes in, out, and into the ter-lit.
TheAtomicBrain454 2 months ago
@TheAtomicBrain454 And mixed fiber clothing, and open closed toed shoes? Shaving?
TranzHunk 2 months ago
Were not here to judge people for their mistakes but our church does not allow those kind of people. You're there either to ask for help and change your life by hearing the true and pure words from God! Repent for your sins and God will listen to you
Blades3211 2 months ago
This is a desperate church that is loosing people like a sinking ship because they do not believe in our Lord Jesus Christ. They must use silly, condescending commercials to try to brainwash people to come to their dying buildings. Preach the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and stop denying His resurrection. Stop telling sinners to continue in their sins, condoning evil behavior. Stop denying the truth of the scripture or you will continue perishing into oblivion for eternity.
ElCubanoConguero 3 months ago
God commands ALL men to repent
and to not have fellowship w/ unfruitful works of darkness....
excommunication IS biblical
PacmanBonez 4 months ago
I Cor 5:9-11. wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 1 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
FamileeTime 4 months ago
can i say that as a catholic i found this commercial to be hilarious
spainish101 4 months ago
I don't think this commercial was banned. I've seen it occasionally on Cartoon Network of all places.
JakeLL 4 months ago
Why would this be banned? This is exactly what Christian churches in America do!
macrent2 4 months ago
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it. 1 Cor. 10:13
Being "gay" is no different than other things the bible says to flee. God provides a chance for lives to be changed by his power regardless of the situation. church should set the atmospher for CHANGE and LOVE all people! Love the sinner, hate the sin!
kute1livn4jc 4 months ago
God doesn't reject people, but he does turn their life around! Church should provide an opportunity for lives to be changed and set free. If church doesn't do that then what's the point of going...
kute1livn4jc 4 months ago
Only a person who has created their own version of Jesus could declare that Jesus did not love people enough to warn them about sin and judgement.
Jesus taught, rebuked and forgave those who accepted correction. Those who reject Jesus clear call to repentance reject the very eye witness testimony of the diciples and apostles who recorded Who he was what he said and what how did.
No Christian delights in seeing people carry on in sin and leave Christ as he actually is. They reject Jesus.
iftysway 5 months ago
@Cottonmouth899
Fuck you
NachyoLulz5596 5 months ago
@Cottonmouth899
Fuck you
NachyoLulz5596 5 months ago
"God doesn't reject people" - The Unitarian Church of Christ
herald1509 5 months ago
I can't believe this commercial was banned! The message couldn't be more pure and heartfelt: God's house is for everyone.
sanstar922 6 months ago
@sanstar922
It was sin in Gods House that caused Jesus to overthrow the money changers tables. You must be referring to a different God altogether.
iftysway 5 months ago
It weren't never banned.
TaterGumfries 6 months ago
God judges. Yes. Only he has the right to judge. This is saying that the United Church of Christ will not reject you because you are homosexual, a single mother, or anything that does not fit the mold. EVERYONE has a right to worship and learn more about God. Anyone who says different is under false delusions.
Fholer28 6 months ago 3
This is how it starts. By the way, whom are you referring to when you use the word "Christ?" And yes God likely does reject people, He is not an all accepting God, unless you are referring to someone other than the Almighty Lord God. Lucifer will accept all these misgivings, if that be your gaud?
anewgift4u 6 months ago
@anewgift4u God does not reject ANYONE, but he does deliver people from sin and lust of the human flesh!
kute1livn4jc 4 months ago
this commercial is a contradiction
IamAsi94 6 months ago
@IamAsi94 your comment is contradiction
Spyro2064 6 months ago
@Spyro2064 why would you say that?
IamAsi94 6 months ago
@IamAsi94 because it is and because i can
Spyro2064 6 months ago
@Spyro2064 well you can do alot of stuff, but that doesn't really mean you should.
IamAsi94 6 months ago
@IamAsi94 were geting off topic here... explain to me how you think this commercial is a contradiction?
Spyro2064 6 months ago
@Spyro2064 because people like me who dont believe in god will be rejected by "god" if there is a heaven.
IamAsi94 6 months ago
How much more can you love your neighbor than to let them participate fully in worship of God and not get in their way?
That's what made me decide that the UCC was a great church. You can't say you love your neighbor and then turn around and tell them there's something fundamentally wrong with them. You can't love someone then browbeat them into living a lie. That's controlling them. Love people. Don't make an idol out of a book.
yzetta 7 months ago
As for people who are saying the UCC claims other churches won't let single moms or the disabled in - that's not what the ad means. It means that while these groups might well be allowed into the service, they are looked askew and treated like they are less or "icky" and that makes those folks feel unwelcome. Sure, they let them in the door, but then harangue them about being sinners and needing to change - or politely snub them at best. Not all churches do that, but it happens enough.
yzetta 7 months ago
weird, it isn't banned in my area... florida lets this play? nice
Taxrenn93 7 months ago
this type of church accepts homosexuality as normal when in the bible it teaches that it is an abomination. its one thing to accept homosexuals in the church to hear the message, give their hearts to Jesus Christ, and to leave their life of sin, but its another to applaud them for their behavior and preach that it is okay to be gay. just as you would not applaud someone for murdering or stealing.
monicacristina319 7 months ago
@monicacristina319 It is also an abomination to eat shellfish or pork. Do you avoid those as well? Also, other people have read the Bible verses *in context* and with knowledge of the original languages and it doesn't mean what homophobes says it means. Look, I used to be where you are now, taking the word of conservative preachers. When I got out and interacted with people and thought for myself, I realized that gay people can't change who they are and it is cruel to demand they do so.
yzetta 7 months ago
@yzetta God can change them and it will probably be a long process, just like with any other sin or additction. The bible does talk about lust of the flesh, which I belive this can be one of them. (Sorry don't have the verse ref right now.) Church should provide a chance for people to be changed regardless of what the situation is. If you accept people acting on gay lifestyles then you might as well accept a murderous and stealing behavior. Love all people, but hate sin!
kute1livn4jc 4 months ago
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
1 Cor. 10:13 NIV
kute1livn4jc 4 months ago
there is really nothing wrong with this
Hypastpist 8 months ago
the "united church of christ" is a cult and has absolutely nothing to do with christianity whatsoever
Christianpreaching 8 months ago
@Christianpreaching
its actually the International one you're thinking about. get your shit straight, bro.
suckmysockmonster 7 months ago
@suckmysockmonster Its the "united" one. Ive been there, I would know.
Christianpreaching 7 months ago
@Christianpreaching
ya sure? a quick google check on all three organizations proves otherwise. im not religious at all, so i try to avoid bias on every issue regarding it.
suckmysockmonster 7 months ago
@Christianpreaching Hahahahahaha! That's a good one. The UCC is made of 3 churches that merged in 1957. One of the churches was the Congregationalist church - a denomination that traces itself all the way back to colonial times (you know, the Pilgrims?) - several of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Congregationalists.
Cult. Heh. Good one.
yzetta 7 months ago
@yzetta Just because a church is old doesnt mean it cant apostocise or be a cult. The Catholic church is even older and its a large, old cult that killed millions in the dark ages. Although the UCOC isnt running an inqusition, they back gay marriage which is in opposition to biblical teaching. They also support abortion, which goes against true Christian teaching, making it a cult. By the way, the "jedi mind trick" of foolishly laughing only works on the weak minded.
Christianpreaching 7 months ago
@Christianpreaching I'm just laughing because the assertion you make about the denomination is absurd. I don't expect it to have any effect on your mind at all. I do know this: the two greatest commandments, are (paraphrased) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength and Love your neighbor as yourself. What do they have in common? Love. I love my gay brothers and sisters and I love people who've had abortions. I don't see how shutting folks out loves them.
yzetta 6 months ago
i don't get it... why... why was this banned?
EvilTim1234 8 months ago
@EvilTim1234 It was too political apparently. The right took exception to a church advocating equal rights for gays at a time when Bush lite was trying to ban gay marriage. it was nothing more than the right exerting pressure to frighten network execs into validating their prejudices. The actions of the networks show the urgent need for equal rights protection for LGBT people.
bagelboi66 7 months ago
@EvilTim1234
It wasn't. I've seen it myself.
But it is a stupid commercial.
Reazzurro90 7 months ago
@EvilTim1234
It wasn't. I saw it on TV myself.
Reazzurro90 7 months ago
Do not go to the church of Christ they are highly infiltrated by free masons and preach false doctrines
8bitkino 9 months ago
I have never known of any church that rejects the disabled. Homosexuals - yes, I know there are religious organizations whose goal is to transform them through Christ and believe homosexuality is a sin as written in the Bible. Where this, and other UCC ads are misleading, is when they portray fellow Christians as being intolerant of babies crying, gay couples attending a service, a disabled man using a walker, and so forth. These ads are hypocritical in that the UCC is bearing false witness.
bigskybcs 9 months ago
@bigskybcs Many churches do not welcome single moms, allow children to attend the main service, ordain women, welcome gay people, have dress codes, etc. We practice "Extravagant Welcoming". This is a big difference. That is the point of the ad.
jglanton 9 months ago
@jglanton I would like you to NAME these denominations.. specifically. The UCC ad makes the blanket assumption that all churches, except for them, are run like an exclusive country club. I have attended many types of services at a variety of churches, & NEVER had an experience such as what's in the ad. I know there are smaller, less "popular" faiths that have unusual rules that are definitely not in line with Christian values (or Biblical, for that matter), but they are NOT mainstream.
bigskybcs 8 months ago
@bigskybcs We have been to two area Baptist Churches that exclude children from the main worship and have strict dress codes. We have other members of our church who have similar stories and worse. Gays not welcome, etc.
jglanton 8 months ago
@jglanton So you've been to 2 churches & guessed that they exclude children from main worship.. Did you ask why? I've NEVER encountered what you're describing. Some churches require that heads be covered -- or that women wear dresses - if you don't want that, don't attend that church. The ad is WRONG & is bearing false witness against fellow Christians. The most repulsive claim is the one about not accepting the disabled in church. The UCC should stand behind their claim & name these churches.
bigskybcs 8 months ago
@bigskybcs I doubt that it bearing false witness becasue althought the christian church follows the laws of god including equity that doesn't mean that every christian church follows this rule. I beleive that a few decasdes ago white and black people weren't even allowed in the same church. some churches including christiand church will reject gays or any other individual they beleive that don't follow thier standards.
Purplelady0790 8 months ago
@jglanton some church exclude children from main worship, because they may not understand. that's just what i believe, i think that's why they have sunday school classes, to teach them on their own level.
kryptonx13 8 months ago
@jglanton To make it easier - please name a church/denomination that does not allow single moms... does not allow children in the main service... let's start there.
bigskybcs 8 months ago
@bigskybcs The ad uses a dramatic representation of what is practiced in some churches/denominations: the "this far and no further" rules. You can be gay, love God with every fibre of your being, tithe regularly, but you will not be ordained, and your relationship with the person you wish have a your life-partner will not be blessed. UCC is not accusing anyone. They are saying, if you have experienced a less than genuine welcome somewhere else, you will not have that experience here.
ladytenor9876 8 months ago
@ladytenor9876 i'm just saying why not accept EVERYONE under that logic....don't exclude people who actively murder and steal
kute1livn4jc 4 months ago
@ladytenor9876 correction...yes accept everyone, but don't accept the behavior
kute1livn4jc 4 months ago
Big difference between the UCC and a real christian church. The UCC encourages homosexuals to embrace their sin. A real christian church should welcome homosexuals and help them overcome their sin. Homosexuality is a sin just like any other. Church should be a place for healing through community and fellowship. The UCC fails to hold people accountable to the Bible's standards.
TheBigred1212 9 months ago
What I love about the UCC is that you can believe anything you want. There are no demands, no judgements, no calling this sin or that sin. The 10 Commandments are so, like YESTERDAY, you know? And in the UCC you can even have as many abortions as you want with a clear conscience. That means we can love with complete freedom in a sexual way without worrying about bringing a pesky kid into the world.
TheCannonofMohammed 10 months ago
@TheCannonofMohammed Yeah, sanctity of life is so YESTERDAY, you know?
gordonr99999 9 months ago 4
It was obviously banned because it was too 'tolerant'. After all, most Christians don't want to be like Jesus, they want to be bigots.
It's kind of nice knowing there are still nice, compassionate 'Christlike' Christians. I'm an Atheist, but I applaud this kind of attitude toward our fellow man. Don't let the bigots hold you back.
Kurairakuen 10 months ago 28
@Kurairakuen I'm a christians but I don't hate people with diff view than me.
Purplelady0790 8 months ago
@Purplelady0790 Obviously my comment of bigot Christians was not aimed at you then. I was not saying that ALL Christians are bigots, only that many of them are. As I said, I appreciate the Christians that can go outside what their bible tells them, especially the old testament, and truly empathize and accept other people the way that they are, rather than thinking there is something wrong with the person who is different from them.
Kurairakuen 8 months ago
@Kurairakuen
You're an atheist but you want to tell Christians what Jesus was like? Sounds a little ridiculous.
Reazzurro90 7 months ago
@Reazzurro90 How is that ridiculous? The only way to know what Jesus was like is to read the bible, correct? Many atheists read the bible, and that is actually how I became an atheist. Tell me, what other way is there to know what Jesus was like? Do Christians have a secret time machine that they use to go back and investigate with?
Anyone who has read the bible, or studied it can tell you what Jesus was like. It doesn't matter what religion they are, or lack there of.
Kurairakuen 7 months ago 4
@Kurairakuen
I'm saying that atheists aren't committed enough to understanding Christian doctrine and tradition to make a proper guess at what Jesus was like. Yes Jesus preached a message of mercy, but also proclaimed that he would judge.
He did say 'I did not come to bring peace, but a sword'. He also was specific about the necessity to repent, to walk a life for Christ. He wasn't afraid to reprimand people, to condemn them, or to embarrass them.
Reazzurro90 7 months ago
i love our commercials. ^_^ i'm sad that the commercial was banned. i blame the conservatives of the country (both out and inside our church). but that's the great thing about our denomination i guess...so many diverse beliefs in one church.
ShadowoftheShades 10 months ago
So in other words we don't give a crap what the Bible says about homosexuality just come anyway hey we don't even read those parts anyway! United Church of Antichrist!
monstermovieman 10 months ago
@monstermovieman
The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. ~Lynn Lavner~
videoGAMESgurl 9 months ago
@videoGAMESgurl God hates sin thats it. Whether you steal or sleep with the same sex. A sin is a sin and you shouldnt live in it. Bible clearly states hate the sin not the sinner.
cash4medaily 9 months ago
@monstermovieman Amen brother.
TheBigred1212 9 months ago
Do your comercials without putting the catholic church down
kvn276 11 months ago
i love this one. :) it kinda pisses me off that this was banned though. Its not like its posing a HUGE threat to human society or anything, It's just like other people are trying to get rid of this because of their opinion about it and they are brainwashing society to follow their own beliefs. What the hell happened to the freedom of speech?
luxord2654 11 months ago
haahhahaahahhaaaaa this is good
LoveKingArthur 1 year ago
All of their commercials make me want to cry.
SuTaihei 1 year ago
I'm no christian and I don't support religion. But I believe there is nothing wrong with this ad.
pallanium 1 year ago 25
im a part of this church and thought the commercial was hilarious and reasonable, but i guess some people are just too serious.
beerhead32 1 year ago 2
Thats true
God doest`t reject people
god reject sins
2MakeTheDiffeerence 1 year ago
@2MakeTheDiffeerence - I don’t believe in the concept of Sin, Hell and Satan. Religion wants us to believe that God is just, and that he will punish sin., telling us a poison story about ourselves because it doesn’t want us to like ourselves one little bit .So it denigrates us from the moment we’re born as unworthy unclean and stained with SIN persuading us that there’s something we need to be saved from. I believe in moral relativism, and dynamic ethics not a book of fables claiming truth.
Heteblixem 1 year ago
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@Heteblixem you guys gotta it ..so !!! sorrrrrrry !!! lets back to the original plane .. God . whitout sins .
be blessed
2MakeTheDiffeerence 11 months ago
@2MakeTheDiffeerence But the Catholic Church rejects people. Not sins. Pope Rodrigo, incest, child molestation, Pope Urban, Crusades, and um, let's see here. They refer to the Catholic leader as Pope, or "papa," "father," inferring that he is God.
tomcatvelociraraptor 11 months ago
@tomcatvelociraraptor you guys gotta it ..so !!! sorrrrrrry !!! lets back to the original plane .. God . whitout sins .
be blessed
2MakeTheDiffeerence 11 months ago
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@2MakeTheDiffeerence What are you inferring?
tomcatvelociraraptor 9 months ago
@2MakeTheDiffeerence Hate the sin love the sinner.
TheBigred1212 9 months ago
great people but their doctrine is not of god. They agree with the gay life and marry them,.. they worship the earth and not he creator of earth.,..THEY PRAY ...OUR MOTHER AND FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN...the last i read the bible it said!..our father..not mother..who you refering to,. mother earth. Please im not judging.just concered about this once great church.....they speak of god,but they seem to make there own rules... I do agree that we ALL. no matter what.. are children of God.
timesatickin 1 year ago
@timesatickin this is not the church of Christ. this is a group that "branched" off and rejected the true doctrine. do not confuse this with the Lord's chruch
lpfreak1708 1 year ago
Even Jesus ate and talked and preached with the sinners .
TrunkMonkey3000 1 year ago
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What the heck is that? It's not a church of Christ, it's just a joke. True church would never bless lesbian union. If you're saying that you are a christian and you support gay "marriage", you either don't have a clue what it means to be one, or you are just being completely ignorant.
SerJahPhoto 1 year ago
i am not even human¡¡
ck066 1 year ago
Ugh, I thought this commercial should be pretty cut and dry. I should have known that people are erroneous and sometimes religiously crazy and would argue the one thing of many in this video. Maybe some of you should join westboro baptist...
bjhorton2005 1 year ago 2
@bjhorton2005
Well said.
pallanium 1 year ago
You know, Jesus said love the Lord thy God above all else, and to love thy neighbor as thyself.
I cannot think of a group that better represents these two essential facets of Christianity. I admire the UCC.
gmmcnair 1 year ago 3
@gmmcnair true he did and we should welcome everyone but he also stood up for what he believed, now the baby was just stupid, but the gay couple would need to change. Jesus fought hard for what he believed. He went into the temple a threw tables bc they were sinning in the temple of God.
mahoneychris17 1 year ago
@mahoneychris17
Considering the very consistent scientific data that is out there, enforced by the APA, I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree on the gay couple.
gmmcnair 1 year ago
@gmmcnair true apa, not God. read ur bible.
mahoneychris17 1 year ago
@mahoneychris17
First, the scant biblical verses which reference same sex sexual behavior do not indicate that God frowns on people who are gay. God is the creator, and God can make people however God so chooses, no matter what you or anyone else has to say about it.
Second, the Bible is not the only source through which God speaks. Open your eyes and heart to the world around you; God is truly still speaking, every moment!
obietom 1 year ago 2
@obietom all other ways God "speaks" must be in line with what his word says
kute1livn4jc 4 months ago
@kute1livn4jc God's word isn't confined to the Bible, or rather, human interpretation of what the Bible says and means. God's word is God's word, and to paraphrase John Wesley, it may be revealed through scripture, tradition, experience, and reason.
obietom 3 months ago
@mahoneychris17 ......the Bible is a book about God, it is not God's words. The teachings and concepts of God found in the Bible reflect the teachings, understanding, and belief systems of the men(human beings) of a specific time, men who were influenced by a legalistic, patriarchal society. Primitive thinking humans who lived 1000s of years ago did not have the knowledge or understanding we have today, they only had what their society and culture told them to believe. You have BLIND faith.
LivingMindfully1975 1 year ago 3
@gmmcnair I agree, the UCC is the most Christian of the Christian churches.
radagast25a 1 year ago
@gmmcnair I can't think of a church that sugar coats Christianity more than the UCC. This is far from a complete representation of Christianity.
TheBigred1212 9 months ago
1) This is so fucken funny.
2) I'm an atheist.
3) If I WERE a Christian this is the sort of church I'd wanna go to.
nvek69 1 year ago 2
@nvek69
I'm actually thinking of doing a video about the positive aspects of religion, using the united church and the Anglican churches as an example.
17R3W 1 year ago
@17R3W But the anglican church supports gay marriage (church wise, i am for gay marriage statewise). I do not "hate" gays. It is simply that sex IS a holy thing that was meant for creating children. Men can have relationships, especially loving relationships. It is simply that they cant be sexual. It is a sin for a man to waste his seed.
superdubman999 1 year ago
@superdubman999
I'm pretty sure the United Church does as well.
Especially based on this commercial.
17R3W 1 year ago
this is so wrong
FloridaState9111 1 year ago
So this is what Congregationalism has become? Jonathan Edwards is rolling in his grave.
dane5256 1 year ago
@dane5256,
No. These guys are Congregationalism's version of PCUSA. Better Congregational churches would be found in CCC(Conservative Congregational Conference), which still isn't always Christianity, but it's closer. Gleason Archer was the most recent Congregationalist teacher that was Christian.
There are other independent, non-denominational Congregational Churches that are more Christian. Park Street in Boston does some good work.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
TheFlanker35,
Even though I am a devout Catholic I am a big fan of Gleason Archer since his knowledge of ancient Greek is so helpful to my theological studies. My problem with this video is that its message is false.
For instance the Catholic Church is made up of straights, gays, black, white and Asian, handicapped and others. However we have not surrendered the idea that sin exists and that it separates us from God.
In that way we come together as sinners seeking God's mercy now and forever.
dane5256 1 year ago
@dane5256,
"My problem with this video is that its message is false."
This video is about the United Church of Christ. Only some congregational churches joined the UCC. I was talking about the CCC churches that are more conservative. Gleason Archer would have hated the UCC if he saw it.
For the record, I'm not a member of either the UCC or the CCC or any other denomination.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
TheFlanker35,
Thanks for your clarification. I appreciate it.
dane5256 1 year ago
god doesn't exist! He's just a figment of your imagination bc you can't accept that after we die we die.
djintung 1 year ago
djintung,
Man, are you in for a surprise. Good luck amigo.
petruscephas 1 year ago
I want to go on record officially that after viewing this video I have totally lost respect for this church.
Bureyeanne 1 year ago
@Bureyeanne That's ok. Many of us still respect you as a person and your right to choose a church, temple, mosque, other or no religion at all. So, since you state emphatically that Jesus was married, without comment on the scriptures handed down to us from the "Early Church" that say that he wasn't, should I assume that you are more "liberal" than the UCC? Most people who disrespect the UCC would never say something like "Jesus was married".
Baritone45 1 year ago
@Baritone45
Master: [Hebrew and Aramaic] |kjv: man, owner, husband, master, lord|
3w(dot)ancient-hebrew(dot)org 16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[or in a modern context, [husband]. Ergo the term "Master of the house" or "Animal husbandry" (now called Animal Science) it is a term that means to govern.
The Apostles call Jesus Master you say? Yes because in their sense Jesus acts as the presiding authority like a father.
Bureyeanne 1 year ago
@Bureyeanne My, you take it upon yourself to read a lot into the word "Master". It could mean:
Perhaps it simply means master teacher, as Rabbi means teacher.
He's her/their actual Master, since slavery was common & accepted.
They are apprentices and he is their master/shepherd/leader. (Seems most likely & is what you CHOOSE for the Disciples. Apostles were after he ascended.)
Simply a title of respect like Master or Sir or Lord, as it was in feudal Europe or Mister or Sir or Herr today.
Baritone45 1 year ago
@Bureyeanne Obviously, they haven't lost much.
xxoooOFxx 1 year ago
Jesus was homosexual
horrormonger 1 year ago
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Baritone45 1 year ago
@Baritone45 Bottom line is dude that you cannot argue with gods word you can try to argue with me but when it all comes down to it GOD is and always will be the finaly authority and if you really want to keep debating this i suggest reading those two websites i gave which will be extrmely more then enough to get GODS word through ... NOT my thoughts on the subject but only GODS have a nice day sir
pogolw101 1 year ago
@pogolw101 Bottom line is that God created homosexual people and homosexual animals. You would rather believe ancient scriptures (that you pick while you ignore others) than the obvious facts of nature around you.
And God gave choice to Adam & Eve. Now you want to take choice away from other people, through the force of government. You are playing God, when God himself doesn't play that way.
Baritone45 1 year ago 3
@Baritone45 oh and just to make something clear on the stuff that you say about me going by the old testament umm yes i do believe in the history of it but as i showed u that there are scripture in the new testament about homosexuality goes to show (whispering) god still condemns it even today :) and something else were there at any point where i through hateful words , phrases and or things that express my opinion mhmmm nope only gods :0
pogolw101 1 year ago
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Baritone45 1 year ago
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@pogolw101 Your New Testament quotes were all about obedience. Jesus never said ONE WORD against homosexuals, but he said A LOT against self-righteous judgmental people like you. So mind your own business.
Baritone45 1 year ago
@horrormonger oh really well please Show me ...WITH SCRIPTURE :) i doubt u can
pogolw101 1 year ago
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@horrormonger I'm sure many of the religious leaders of the time rumored that when he did not marry by age 33.
Baritone45 1 year ago
@Baritone45 Actually Jesus was married.
Bureyeanne 1 year ago
2 Timothy 4:3
faithfulstronghold 1 year ago
@faithfulstronghold Do you keep Kosher?
Baritone45 1 year ago
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@Baritone45 And you need to know that?
faithfulstronghold 1 year ago
@faithfulstronghold Because if you don't keep Kosher, the same old Jewish laws that say to stone gays and girls/women/boys/men who have premarital sex, also condemn you.
So what do you think? Are you going to Hell for eating a cheeseburger? (Mixing meat and dairy is a grave sin accoring to the Old Testament.)
Baritone45 1 year ago
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@Baritone45 if you want to play like that then
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators [Gk: paramours], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gk: catamites], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [Gk: sodomites] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).
NEW TESTAMENT DUDE ^^^^
pogolw101 1 year ago
@Baritone45
The elements of the Greek word arsenokoites are "male-lier"-A male who lies with a male. "Male bed partners"--Wycliffe Bible Dictionary.
pogolw101 1 year ago
@Baritone45
AND do you even know what the old testament is? IT is history of our world ,not believeing in that is basically saying that you dont believe GOD made the world which is in the 1st book genesis and you cant say oh i beleive some parts of the bible , you cant pick and choose the whole bible was inspired by GOD to pick and choose is well just having it fit your lifestyle and how you feel and anywhere have i expressed any of my veiws on homosexuality? nope all of it was bible
pogolw101 1 year ago
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@Baritone45
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even [1] their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also [2] the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense [penalty] of their error which was meet [due]" (Rom. 1:26-27).
theres more on it here
bibletruths. com / homosex
pogolw101 1 year ago
@Baritone45 here are othere NEW TESTAMENT scriptures that deal with homosexuality I Timothy 1:10 Homosexuality must be accepted for what God says it is-- sin. Some homosexuals will attempt to circumvent the plain teaching of the Bible with the insipid reply that they are the way God made them. There is not the slightest bit of evidence in Scripture to support this false concept. God never created man with a so-called "homosexual need." No baby is born a homosexual.
pogolw101 1 year ago
@Baritone45 Every baby is born male or female. In every place the Bible refers to homosexuality, the emphasis is upon the perversion of sexuality. The practicing homosexual is guilty of "leaving the natural use of the woman" (Romans 1:27), meaning that his behaviour is "against nature" as in the case of the lesbian (Romans 1:26). Inasmuch as homosexuality is opposed to the regular law and order of nature, the genetic concept must be ruled out completely.
pogolw101 1 year ago
@pogolw101 But there is homosexuality in nature. It is your ignorance, and Paul's that is reflected here.
Baritone45 1 year ago 3
@Baritone45 SO your basically calling God ignorant which mean he knows nothing bc Paul was inspired by God , God was telling him what to write if you call paul ignorant then ur also saying God is ignorant i would really like to lean why the real reason it is why u feel like thiswould i be ok if we started over with a clean slate mhmm maybe forgive me? id like to talk through email which would be alot easier lol im sry if this is coming off as a debate or argument didnt mean it to be that way
pogolw101 1 year ago
@pogolw101 I think you've helped me refine my argument. Thanks. The point is this. Was Paul God, or was/is Jesus God? Which one said discriminatory things against homosexuals? Paul. Were the Jews of the Old Testament God or was/is Jesus God? Which one codified laws against homosexuals, women, foreigners, the sick and a whole host of people? The ancient Jews.
Baritone45 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Furthermore, if homosexuality is such a sin, then why did GOD not say anything against it while he was here as Jesus? As for the perfection of Paul. Why did Jesus promote women in his parables, his actions, and as close followers while Paul told women to sit by themselves and be silent in church?!!
Baritone45 1 year ago 3
@Baritone45 'Cos people are imperfect and everyone has an agenda, even if they don't think they do. That is why no one has the right to hold themselves above others.
disgruntledpenguin 1 year ago
@Baritone45 and here bible.org/article/homosexuality-christian-perspective
pogolw101 1 year ago
So why was it banned? I have to watch Axe shower gel commercials about "washing your balls", but this is banned? Good grief. Yes, I would hate for the gays to be shown any christian love! What are they supposed to do, you people who think they are such horrid sinners? Have to sign some pledge that they will hate themselves 24/7, or that they won't do anything "gay" around you? You tell them they're going to hell,but show them no love. And don't give me that "love the person hate the sin" crap.
arielgirl 1 year ago 2
God has expectations for all of his children. 'nuff said.
shooster11 1 year ago
@shooster11 God created gay people. Is God imperfect, or is homosexuality natural? And why would God create people just to condemn them? I say it's the old Jewish laws that are wrong.
Jesus was ALWAYS for the foreigner, the outcast and the powerless over the rich, powerful and religious leaders. In today's world that translates to Mexicans, African-Americans, Indians, gays, lesbians, and Muslims.
Baritone45 1 year ago 2
@Baritone45 God didnt creat gay people there was either something that happened in some part of there life where they were taught that it doesnt matter what u are and they were not taught the real truth God did not creat homosexuals parents of homosexuals are the ones to blame for not teaching the kids right
pogolw101 1 year ago
@Baritone45 GOd didnt creat gay people there had to be some part in there life where they were either molested or a feeling for a friend transformed into a feeling of love bc thats what they thought it was BUt if they were taught that it was wrong then that feeling would have been just that a feeling of love but not the kinda love that men and women share it was the parents role to teach them right from wrong and if they alsowerent taught right from the bible then it wasthere parents fault so on
pogolw101 1 year ago
@pogolw101 I thought God created everyone.
Who are you to condemn some of God's creatures?
And why do you know so much about why people, whom you obviously don't know, became gay? And why do they all become gay for one reason?
You've never met a gay person that trusted you enough to open up to you, have you?
Baritone45 1 year ago
@Baritone45 sorry i sent that many hahah didnt think it went thru and actually yes i have gotten to talk to a gay person and he was very open to me i know alot of people who are gay BUT i am not the one who condemns i am only a messenger and thats what all christians are to be doing which is spreadin the word of jesus christ like it says to do and here are a couple verses that gives Gods take on homosexuality and yes i agree its not my right to judge only God is able to and also ALL SIN IS SAME
pogolw101 1 year ago
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@Baritone45 GOd didnt creat gay people there had to be some part in there life where they were either molested or a feeling for a friend transformed into a feeling of love bc thats what they thought it was BUt if they were taught that it was wrong then that feeling would have been just that a feeling of love but not the kinda love that men and women share it was the parents role to teach them right from wrong and if they alsowerent taught right from the bible then it wasthere parents fault so on
pogolw101 1 year ago
pogolw101 1 year ago
@pogolw101 Obedience, huh? Do your slaves maintain their Biblically-required state of obedience to you?
Baritone45 1 year ago
@Baritone45 what are you talking about?
pogolw101 1 year ago
@pogolw101 I'm talking about life in the Old Testament. Same thing you're talking about. You do realize they had slaves back then? (not imported Africans, but other Jews and Arabs who were just slaves) And they had to keep Kosher. And women could not cut their hair or go out during their time of the month. Noone had a say in whom they married. It was a lot like Afghanistan is now. That's the lifestyle you want to go back to, right?
Baritone45 1 year ago
@Baritone45 The teachings of Jesus, the Council of Jerusalem, and other New Testament teachings (John 1:16-17, Acts 13:39, Romans 2:25-29, 8:1-4, 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:15) make it clear that Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, sacrifice, feast days, Sabbath observance, ritual cleanness, etc.
pogolw101 1 year ago
@pogolw101 So then why do you choose to follow the Torrah/Old Testament laws that discriminate against gays? Because your church leaders CHOOSE to, in opposition to the teachings you just cited!!
Thanks for winning my argument for me.
Baritone45 1 year ago
@Baritone45 if you want more go here
twopaths.com/faq_OldTestamentLaw.htm
pogolw101 1 year ago
@pogolw101 No, I don't want any pre-Christian laws. I am perfectly happy living in the 21st Century. I just wish you people who want Torrah law and those who want Shariah Law (not much difference) would go away and leave the rest of us alone. You came to my church's advertisement with your pre-conceived notions and insistence on one or two pre-Christian laws.
Baritone45 1 year ago