The hatred toward this family in this thread is also very unChristlike, and maybe these folks that hold Norman up as a kind of musical messiah should reconsider their motives. Having no other god before them...
@peelingtacoma: Of course I agree that hatred against the Wallace's is wrong. But 'blind faith' in Larry Norman? No sir, I just stated some facts. Jenny told in her on-line letter (the one posted DDS), that Larry promised to remember Daniel in his will. This was in fact a lie! Larry promised only to remember Daniel in his will if the Wallace's provided him with Daniels certified DNA-profile, which off course had to match with Larry's own profile. Larry's request was refused several times ...
What I find disturbing through this whole thread, is the blind-faith, yes, BLIND faith in Larry Norman, another fallible human being. There have been posts here that equate "slander" on Mr. Norman, with slander on the Bible. Who are you kidding??
I personally have many LN albums, and still enjoy them. He was a talented and gifted man. He was a groundbreaking evangelist in the realm of Christian Rock, a genre he pretty much invented, but he was human.
"This is the story of Jennifer and Daniel Robinson, who for the last 19 years have been trying to get Larry Norman to admit that he fathered Daniel. "
I'm getting tired of these lies. So this may be my last response to this subject. Larry honestly and openly asked this family to engage in a DNA-test. They denied his requests every time, main subject being money. What else is there to say? Nothing I guess.
What this really exposes is the sense in which the church only accepts 'perfect people'..... a Christian's life can never NOT live up to the message, because the message is that we are HOPELESS without CHRIST! The church should (Past, present and future) embrace people like Larry Norman acknowledging their failures because it conveys a much more powerful message to the world than their ability (however empowered by the Holy Spirit) to abide by a moral code does.
It is strange, because when I look at this young man, he just doesn't even look a little bit like Larry. I hope for this young man, that he will find his father, because that is important.
I'm afraid I disagree with everybody here... people are seeing an insult against Larry Norman, what about the great injustice against these people?!?! The truth will set you free, Why should it be private? No-one is innocent and these people have been rejected which goes directly against Larry's ideas... and the Bible...
@iwanwh: I agree with you, the truth will set you free. The Bible verse you're quoting means that only Jesus can set you free. It has nothing to do with this situation, so don't quote the Bible in a false way!
Back on topic; why do you believe that Daniel is Larry's son? I can understand you believe this after watching this clip, but Jennifer did only tell what she wants you to know. Daniel is not Larry's son, sorry, but that's the truth. And it won't set you free, sorry again.
@failedangle I'm not quite sure how it is false. Jesus said the truth will set you free and Jesus is truth... not sure how it doesn't connect. People in public have more responsibility than those who do not. I like Larry Norman, but I will not defend his mistakes even though I too am a sinner. To those who want to hide this issue I will quote another verse: John 3:19 Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
@iwanwh Sorry, I didn't read the second part of your message. Regarding Larry's private life, it's only recently that I began to study his life although I have listened to his music for 20 years, and this video is at least credible from what I have studied. Secondly, You say that Daniel is not his son... well that can be easily solved... whan the Norman family permit a DNA test...
@iwanwh It could have been easily solved. Larry asked this people to engage in a DNA test at least twice. His request was denied. The reasons for this denial are stated on a Yahoo-group. They differ very much from each other. So why did this people deny Larry's request, but jump all over his family when he passed away? Now that's an easy one. The test would never be conclusive, but it would open the door to a courtroom for them. There are many more facts that you won't see in this video.
@meezergurl: that sounds fair, but really isn't. A claim like this is easily made, and can do a lot of damage, true or not. If you make a claim like this you have to prove it, otherwise it's clear the goal is to damage someones career.
This people turned down Larry's request for a DNA test two times, that's enough said I think.
Is it only because I am a secularist that I took the trouble to research sufficient anecdotal evidence to arrive at the following conclusion.? If someone claims to be someone's son he must be obliged to have that confirmed by a credible and verifiable DNA test . It is a very simple test and not costly . However I do have it on very good authority that Daniel's mother was advised by legal counsel not to allow a DNA test to take place . Why ? Could that prove her to be a fantasist after all ?
Fact - In Australia the natural father is the legal father. Anyone claiming parentage needs to prove that . The onus is still upon the claimant to prove their case. DNA testing is the latest and most reliable way of doing that. Wailing away on Youtube and in other places just makes the observers more suspicious of motives. Why has this not been concluded by now. Some statute must prevent people from making FALSE accusations. Let there be Light , Let there be air , Let there be a DNA test .
@domnal: Larry asked three times for a test. Two times by mail, one time by phone. Jennifer didn't wanna go along with testing. What else could Larry have done? Sue her? Now he's dad this people bother the whole world with their 'problem'. Unfortunately they 'forgot' some detail, spreading their story.
@failedangle Jennifer was advised by legal counsel not to allow a DNA test to take place . That tells you that it would have put her in the awkward position of probably being proved a liar from which proof she can be legally made to stop publishing said lies and therefore lose her 15 minutes of fame !!
What are you trying to do, get the whole planet involved in your claim that Larry Norman fathered your son? This a private matter and resources to determine the truth without a public scandal. A simple DNA test would solve the problem and answer the question. Larry Norman, before he died, was in the hospital, they should have DNA samples from possibly blood. I suggest you contact the hospital and request DNA samples for testing.
What a Shame Shame Shame... Even if it is true or not true... it is nobody elses business but those who were involved. I have a Father to, but I would never go on Youtube to discuss to the world our business. Because he was known by many, does this mean you need to go public with this, what if he wasn't famous, would this even be on Youtube???
This is not the proper forum for this sort of a thing. Paternity tests could have been done way back when...and may even be possible still. Using the court of public opinion for something like this is not cool. Now that the man isn't here to defend himself make this especially screwy.
Anyone who thinks a musician is some sort of holy messiah because of the way they present themselves in their music......thats something that occurs for all musicians, religious or secular, even people like Larry Norman. He had a stage image as the christian rebel, the only christian to have hair that long etc.
I'm disappointed in Larry Norman, because I do believe what you claim. Aside from hair color, you resemble him very much. I didn't want to believe you, because it meant someone I held up as a sort of hero, had fallen in my eyes. My spirit tells me you're being honest about this however.
I've been a fan of LN for a very long time, and I will continue to be a fan of his work, although his personal life did seem to be quite a mess at times, from what I've read.
@failedangle wwwdotshadowcatcher was my old name, seldom used. This time around, I couldn't even access it, and created another one. As for the name, Shadow Catcher is from a Daniel Amos album. If you know about Larry Norman, you know about Terry Scott Taylor, and DA... all Christian rockers.
@failedangle wwwdotshadowcatcher was my old name, seldom used. This time around, I couldn't even access it, and created another one. As for the name, Shadow Catcher is from a Daniel Amos album. If you know about Larry Norman, you know about Terry Scott Taylor, and DA... all Christian rockers.
@failedangle wwwdotshadowcatcher was my old name, seldom used. This time around, I couldn't even access it, as I had forgotten the P/W and created another one. As for the name, Shadow Catcher is from a Daniel Amos album. If you know about Larry Norman, you know about Terry Scott Taylor, and DA... all Christian rockers.
First of all, the mother talks about how Larry sent her gifts, but when her son develops complications, she needs to contact CCM. Doesn't she have an address from the rings and other things Larry sent her?
Next it says she tried to get Larry to take responsibility... How? Via CCM? Apparently now, she has an address.
Also, the supposed e-mail that Larry wrote sounds like something a third grader would write, not a prolific song writer.
Hi, I have a question for you. Daniel says that his father is Larry Norman. Which he heard from the woman in the video, which I suppose is his mother.
But is there any evidence to support her claim? I ask this because it isn't shown in the video.
Is there any additional evidence, like photo's, letters and probably other stuff? If the womans story is true the man should have left a trail or something like that.
@Americanissima: talking about bad taste, if you have been around on the different chat-boxes and forums you would know what kind of lies are being spread by this people.
In the end it seems they want a part of Larry's money. Now Larry died after being sick for many years, not even able to pay his medical bills without help. So to this people I would like to say, good luck with finding Larry's pot of gold. But I doubt you get anything, since there's none.
@ThePokefanatic: that would be not so easy as it seems, Larry isn't around anymore you know. So the test would be much more complicated. And then there are the costs for the legal procedure. I don't think the parties involved have enough recourses to cover this.
This is a really sad post. I was a fan of Larry for many years since the early 70's. Larry has changed through the years, as we all do. But in the early days, he would have been the first to say that the title "Man of God" is not the end of any story.
Important stuff here... Of course it would be good to hear the other side, from Norman's family... In any case, it's important for people to know that, despite the pedestal people put Larry on, he's human like the rest of us, and an extremely conflicted one at that, right up until the end. Rest in peace, Larry, and thanks for all the inspiration.
I am a brand knew fan of Larry Norman. After hearing his one song, that seemed modeled on Bob Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues, I was hooked. The allegations are possible. Being human makes him as fallible as anyone else. He sang about Jesus, but still may have fallen. The thing that I don't understand, is why the family wouldn't, agree to a DNA test. Unless they had strong suspicions that Larry was the father, and they were afraid that the affair, would be bad for business.
I don't believe everything that I see or hear on YouTube and the rest of the internet. I'm not that gullible. I think that this video is a hoax, untrue.
'm so sick of this dragging Larry through the mud after he's dead. We are all sinners saved by grace. You folks need to forgive Larry AND yourselves. No one is innocent.
Welcome to the real world. That's why Jesus came into this world. To save sinners like Larry, Jennifer,Daniel, myself...and every other person born into this fallen world. Shame on you guys for leeching off Larry's legacy as a Christian artist...and Father. Forgive and get on with your lives.
I feel so sorry for Daniel. I wish Larry did the right thing. He didn't and just turned his face when he had a son who needed him. It's torture watching this as a Christian.
Are you somehow privy to testing that was done of which the rest of the world is unaware?
As a follower of Jesus, it is sad to watch people lie in a public forum like this. It's even sadder to see how gullible folks can be, buying into this woman's scam.
this is just pleasant. larry norman is dead, and he can t respond to this...are you christain? maybe it doesn t matter...is christainity a religion of forgiveness?
does larrys sin, mean his songs aren t relevant...
and you loved him...and your also asking for money also...
What this shows once again is that only Jesus is perfect, and that He uses who He chooses. Don't make the mistake of putting gifted and anointed people like Larry on a pedestal. Nobody but Jesus can be Jesus...the way to healing is suffering...this is another human story of misunderstanding and pain, a lot of people go through things like this...God used Larry's music and Larry's public and private ministry powerfully. I hope He takes care of these 2. Don't put your trust in men
I am truly sorry for your sorrows. As one with many problems thru life with family members of one kind or another, I understand you are hurt. Please reach out to the Lord, not to others who are or are not in Him ... no one is perfect. You know that! Do not live your life based on interaction with Larry. You are your own. Only God can lift you up. Rise above the people as others have. I just hope the people that "help" you are not in it for some kind of fame or money. God's peace come to you!!
wow. He looks like Larry, Hard to believe...but these people look and sound sincere. Doesn't really matter...and they should have made this video YEARS ago...but...ah well. I love Larry...and his Memory...and I love Daniel and Micheal too!
nice one....u listen to a song " all fall down" he mentions my name...you look in the sleeve of his tournequet album and theres a photo of me as a small child...i dunno if u were inserting a slight bit of sarcasm in your previous comment...lol he may not of admitted to many of who i was but he surely didnt hide it 100% it was just his way of contribution to me without making it too obviouse
@knectone my ex gf's daughter was a cute kid. If I had stayed with her, I'm sure I might do some nice thing for her too... Like sing a song about her. But she was conceived of a guy her mother met long before she met me.
Larry might be dead, but Daniel isn't . . . nor is the Norman family that he's supposed to be a part of. Is Daniel just supposed to shrug and say "Oh well, that's that" and allow the family to call him a liar? I hate to use the term, but maybe there needs to be some closure here for Daniel. This wasn't dealt with when Larry was alive, but it still needs to be dealt with. JMHO.
I have no problem with you and the family dealing with this, but youtube is not the place for it. Even the secular world tries to keep their family trouble out of the media because they instinctively that this is worse for their family. Bringing it here, Youtube, (where fans search for Larry Norman's video clips) is not about Daniel, it is about Larry.... and once again, He is dead and cannot defend himself. This is wrong.
@jenksaustralia have you taken this to the Cross? Totally not Biblical what you are doing. Take it to Jesus...He's the healer. Larry was just like any other Christian...a sinner saved by grace. How many times have you messed up? Do you even know The Lord? If not I pray you seek Him and stop this public slamming of Larry. It's really uncool.
All it takes is a DNA test. It's no disgrace to Larry or Jennifer and Daniel. We're all human. Larry is either Daniel's father or he is not. If he is, then Larry's other famly members are wrong to fight against Larry's son.
@toddstangl In their defense this was posted long before his death and if he had nothing to hide he would have done the test if only to clear his name. The fact he refused the test makes him look guilty. They have pictures of him too which say a thousand words so to speak. I am a Larry Norman fan as much as the next guy but if he did the deed and he didn't take responsibility what kind of statement of faith is that? He should have manned up and done the test if only to clear his name.
@GULLYGUS15 Gully, actually Larry died in February of 2008. This was posted in in August of 2008, after Larry's death. He is not refusing a DNA test, his brother Charles is.
@toddstangl The kid in the video is a teenager he had over 15 years before his passing to clear his name. My point is why did he not take the test when he first was accused of the deed?
@GULLYGUS15: Larry has denied all his life that Daniel is his son (remember Blue Book).
In 2006 Larry contacted Daniel personally and asked him to take part in a DNA test, or tell his mother to stop spreading this rumors.
Daniel agreed, but instead of meeting his 'dad' in 2007, he flew to the States to meet David and Randy. So the DNA test wasn't done, which you can't blame on Larry.
I fail to see why Charles should do anything knowing about the above 'happenings'.
Trying this issue in a public forum like this after the accused is dead and protraying the motive as being pure is wrong. It seems like there is a financial motive or a vindictive one at the root. And either way, there is no peace at the end. Daniel may very well be Larry's son, but this is wrong. Larry is dead.
@toddstangl why is it wrong? are you afraid that your little Jesus rock idol is not as shiny as you thought? when you step in front of the camera nothing is out of view. or would you like a clinton style cover up with some corpses in the wake? how else do you expect these people to ditch the stigma? everyone knows you have to bring it into the light to get a little healing. or is that not ok with you either? Your ignorance is blinding and you run and hide from the truth you say you love so much
@MegaMandrake99: you're kidding, right? Ask Jenny, she knows what Larry wrote and what she wrote back. Something including demands for airline-tickets ...
This people demanded to see Larry's will, went to court, but not because of money? Larry stated in his requests that he wouldn't include Daniel in his will without a positive, certified DNA-test. He kept his promise, declaring in the will that he isn't Daniels biological father. Jenny lied in her open letter posted on the web, she knew this.
@toddstangl dude who ARE YOU to determine what the motive of these people are...the best time for this to come out is when he is dead because it won't hurt him now. it only hurts little cowards that are afraid to own up to the facts. you have no sense of right and wrong...you need to go back to your new world translation and have a study with charles taze russell and the 64 other idiots from this page. I hope Jennifer and Daniel find some peace. 'nuff said
@MegaMandrake99: only little cowards wait until a man's dead, because they had nothing to say to him. Larry asked for a DNA-test several times, what more could Larry have done? I've seen Larry's requests for an CERTIFIED test, and the answers he got. "But no, let's wait until he's dead an buried, and see if we can scare his family so they'll give us some money." That didn't work to well, now did it? Same goes for the wannabe film-maker's on-line hate campaign.
@failedangle: don't spent your words on this David guy. He only made two lousy documentaries, which only contains lies, nothing else. Did you see anyone in his sad excuse for a documentary who was saved because of Larry's ministry (like Andy wrote above)? No, like they would be so hard to find. David, you should be ashamed, even more then that! Next time, take on someone who's still alive! Ough! That could cause a problem, because this guy would expose your lies.
I'm all for a DNA test, but it comes across, to me, and others, here it seems, as a malign LN thread at times, which I don't think is conducive to your cause.
Maybe the issues need to be clarified, somewhat. I realize I speak from afar, and I don't mean to be presumptuous.
Why are the Normans resisting? What do you hope to gain from the test? There seems to have been some misunderstandings, and a breakdown in commun., somewhere along the way.
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How exactly could these accusations be backed up more? We have the testimony from those closest to him, evidence of ongoing sexual immorality, horrific treatment of his SR employees . . . and now we have evidence of an illegitimate child. The more we learn, the more it adds up. If it were money Daniel were after, you think he'd go after a broke Christian artist?
Daniel's likely to be telling the truth, given the context of Norman's life. He had great music, but that's not the issue here.
Or perhaps it's time for Christians to stop covering up the sins of their stage idols. And now the Norman family seems to be covering it up. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we need to cover up the sins of our leaders, for any reason. Larry apparently did not live a pure and godly life, in spite of what was pressed onto vinyl. So why are we looking to him as an example of what a Christian should be like? If Christians held him accountable, perhaps Daniel would have had a father.
And that's why you are part of the Fallen Angel movie? What good can come from that? It's like there is a campaign to undo all the good that came from Larry Norman's music. Let the poor man rest in peace and stop tarnishing his musical legacy.
@stinkyfeetjimmy What's wrong with holding people accountable? I think there's a balance here. No one denies Larry's undisputed contribution to Christian music. But if we're people of the Word, we ought to live it. John 8:32 says the truth will set us free. Deal in the light and let the truth arise. There's nothing to be gained by buying into a facade.
Im here to tell my story weather some like it or not..think what you may each and every person is entitled to their own decison....hopefully i can get a positive outcome from all of this...cause i hav poured my heart out to complete strangers to judge me and call me names....so if u dont like it thats your own decision but im not going away till a positive outcome has arised out of this whole things..Im here i am who i am and im not going away till this is sorted so get used to it....
Maybe you should let his memory rest in peace. None of us are perfect and I really don't see the point in pursuing this any farther except in some attempt to gain royalties.
Not a fan of censorship, and as 3 of my orig. posts (tho I've tried hard to be respectful and fair, I believe) have been repeatedly rejected? (during posting and then immed. afterward. 2 I haven't been allowed to post, incl. my the last few s.) I have begun to question Mom's motives in constr. this site.
thanks for the positive input..i know its such a easy process this DNA thing but the reason the normans are hiding and trying to stop me from doing the DNA is cause they want to better themselves off financially...from my understanding not many of Larrys family liked him but fought over his will as soon as he went.....not a nice thing to say about the man...but he hasnt painted a very pretty picture to his fans imagine what his family think......
I hope and pray that someone in the Norman family will have heart to let the DNA test be done...and welcome Daniel as they should...I will be praying for you!
Believe it or not, a lot of us have to forgive Larry Norman for his behaviour. Even fans who looked up to him have to do this. The musicians whose careers he harmed. He let down a lot of people.
You`ll get a lot of negative comments here because his fans are the ones looking up Norman songs on Youtube.
So many musicians are such miserable, lousy, clueless fathers...even David of the Bible. So strange...
listen erickaltburg...if u yourself dont belive this is true after reading it..then i feel sorry for you...and i can call the normans anything i want....cause after what i have gone through with larry and what they are trying to put me through now...i have every reason to do so...thanks for your input..its on the site for people to understand this all a bit to more and not just jump on the bandwagon hating me and my mother for telling the truth....
So its up to you guys to stop defending your sorry selves like larry did and face up to me cause im coming at you like a freight train....How dare you deny me into your family just so you can better yourselves financially......Your disgusting and it sickens me that i have Relatives out there who could be so cowardly......Face up allow this DNA test to happen and stop being such cowards.....
I sit back and watch all you people blabber on with Nonsence and saying that im a liar and im out to get something...But all i wanted was my Dad......and it sickens me to see you people lower yourself to such a level.....I want people to believe me that larry is my father for once cause you dont know how it feels to step into my shoes and see everyone pointing there fingers at you and calling you names.....And you Normans...Grow up stop trying to hide realise im not going away...
I started beating myself up about it secretly for years...I Lost all respect for those who cared for me and i started breaking the law and abusing my body with illegal substances......I dont know where my head was at......It took only until the past year or so to get back on my feet...once facing jailtime and realising that i had dissapointed my family and friends...and that i couldnt keep running from my problems..
I done know what compelled me to do this a second time but i poured my heart out to him over an email.....Strangely enough the next day i had recieved notification from my mother of Larrys Passing..The exact same day i emailed him to tell him i was sorry for my behaviour...I felt like a part of me had left me...And it had...I pretended to myself that it was ohk and this stuff just happens....But inside i was hurting more then i ever had before in my life.....
He told me that he found out about me through Randy and that he was making a documentary about Larry and he would really like to hear my story.....So i jumped on a plane and went to LA....Larry was still alive at the time....but i knew Larry was never going to admit who i was and that he was my father and i felt that people needed to know "my story" so i did it.....A month or so after going over for the first time...i had composed a letter to Larry telling him i forgive him for his mistakes...
Randy then asked me to come and see him and meet his wife Sandy at there sydney gig....so i went..and had a great time listening to his music and being happy for a change....i spoke to Sandy after the concert and she was the first person i spoke to who could explain why Larry was the way he was.....And taught me alot about him..so i left that night....KNowing who my father was....So a few weeks later i get a call From this man in america called David Di Sabbatino....
I felt a strong presence of jesus that night and after all the years of being scared to admit who my father was...i was compelled to speak to Randy after his concert...and i askd him you know larry norman dont you...and he said yes...Why is it that you ask.... I said u may not believe me but he is my father.....and we talked and randy gave me a hug and we both cried...that was the second happiest day of my life.....
So therefor i thought this really is the end im never going to have a father and i had to come to "terms" with the fact that after all the years of pain and hurt he had caused me...that he wasnt going to forgive himself and be a real "man".....a few months after i had been back in australia and my mother had booked a church out for a old friend of larrys "RANDY STONEHILL" i was moved by his music and cried and cried cause to me this man was the closest thing id seen and met to my father....
He then dropped off the face of the earth..then re-appeared....Saying after all the years of his "trying" to be a father...Said your not my son i dont beleive u your mother is a "this n that' and just denying the fact that he was actually my father....and that i was a nasty child and he didnt ever want to speak to me again..."how mature"...
So i said to him ill see you in another 13 years...Which was very "nasty" of me..But he didnt really give me the option to look forward to seeing him next time....After that i had emailed him and said more nasty stuff....And he went into "defence" mode and started accusing me and my mother for his heart attacks and stress over the years..when really it was just his guilty concious...Knowing that i was out there and he wasnt doing the right thing by me...
I was also angered at how larry treated me in front of this friend of his Denny...Like i was some child in another country...So we left pizza hut and went to "harrods" and i asked larry if he could buy me a tshirt and he said "ooh i cant i have no money left'.....so we got another cab and drove around talking...and due to his behaviour even though i hadnt seen him in 13 years i was already sick of spending time with him...so i asked him to drop me off at the railway station...He gave me a hug
He..Then ripped me off for several hundred pounds..Due to my helpfull nature....So Larry had helped me out with around about 230 pounds...and we sat there talking and catching up on how my life and how his life was going....He then asked me to come see a play with him and denny....But then "strangely" enough mentioned that he couldnt afford it after giving me the money.....and how expencive the tickets where....So that resulted in me being once again "dissapointed" and let down by Larry
So i went and met larry at "pizza hut" and next to him was a man called Denny....Who i thought was his security guard...LOL.....but i had sat down introduced myself to Denny and Re-introduced myself to larry....At the time i had been swindled by con artist in london because he was Supposed to be a christian man and was in need of help....I told him Who my father was..and he started telling me of how he knew of his music..therefor for sum "stupid" reason i had tried helping this guy..
i was in London...Visiting My brother and sister who had moved there from australia...and i had noticed on larrys website that he was doing a concert in london at the same time i was in the country....So obviously i did my best to contact him...and i did...He knew i was there also and he had made the effort to meet up and have lunch with me.....It had been 13 years.....But none the less i had forgiven him and was just happy to be seeing my father....
And because of how "larry" was he got scared of me...he Showed me how much of a "coward" he really was....a few more years had gone by and i had a small amount of contact with him via email....explaining my life and how i was going and the good and bad things i was doing....i had forgiven him for what he had done.....i know knobody is perfect and sometimes people make "stupid" decisions cause they are scared......When i was 17...13 years after i had last seen him...
After years of him not speaking to me,, i developed a "anger issue" towards him cause of how upset i was that he want there for me or my mother...who struggled every day to put clothes on my back and food in my stomach because of how badly "Larry" had left my mother financially......so it was only human of me to feel such anger at a man who could do this to me and my family....so next time i was in contact with larry after those years...it wasnt the nicest of conversations
As i grew older he had stopped the contact for several years....which angered me....the countless nights between when i last spoke to him and the next time i spoke to him years later...i cried wondering why my "father" didnt want to speak to me....i had always lookd up to Larry most of my childhood...listening to music he had sent me in the mail and just being proud of who he was....But always sad that he wasnt around to be that "amazing musician" that i could call Dad......
To all of the people who have denied the fact...That i am Larry normans son...
My name is Daniel Robinson.....i was born on the 11th of july 1989.....into a world with a loving family - a father....i grew up knowing who my father was but upset at the fact that he wasnt around to be a "father".....I spoke to larry on the phone for the first few years of my life and had met him for the first time when i was 4....i cant remember a happier time in my life.....
I remember this song when it came out. I wasn't familiar with the band members. I don't know who your dad was but if you say he's your dad I have no reason to doubt you. Did he pass away or something?
Maybe Larry changed tunes after he found the baby was to be named "Daniel" . . . perhaps he felt this was a deliberate reference to the band he neglected and tried to destroy? ;-)
I don't look at all like my father. But I look exactly like my mother. But you challenge a DNA test? OK. Well, it is now clear that your "critical thinking" is more suspect than the Norman family's motives for refusing to submit to a DNA test.
If the Normans believe that Daniel is NOT Larry's son, they could immediately end the whole question and put the lie to Daniel's claims. But their refusal to prove it IS the reasonable doubt.
Besides whining about a DNA test, you don't give a lot of info. This strategy of yours, burning the Normans down including anyone who stands up for them (only 6 in your opinion), won't work.
I've sent you some examples, why not follow that road instead?
Back again Mr PlanetX .. Why not follow the road you suggest, you ask ? Well we probably will present the "portfolio of evidence" you suggested, but it will be presented in court next year when we reopen the case, it will consist of emails, letters, affidavits, testimony of others. The judge is able to rule on "the balance of probabilities" and that will conclude the matter
@stopthisflight: that's good. It's the only option you have to proof your case. It's my believe that it can be done this way, if you make sure you have your facts right. Good luck.
I've gone back through the back and forth comments on this video and I think it's sad that this has turned into such web fight. But throughout the who discussion a few things remain true and I think they need to be summarized: 1- Larry is dead and Christian repentance and forgiveness are no longer possible. Therefore, ill discussions of the dead wil not play will on certain peoples ears, and for good reasons.
@KezRox 2- Jennifer, David and several others often appear to play the same manipulative cards they accuse Larry of. You can deny that, but the appearance is there nonetheless. 3- Money, earthly recognition, "lineage" etc., etc. are worldly pursuits that will kill you if you are lifelong obsessed.
The hatred toward this family in this thread is also very unChristlike, and maybe these folks that hold Norman up as a kind of musical messiah should reconsider their motives. Having no other god before them...
peelingtacoma 2 months ago
@peelingtacoma: Of course I agree that hatred against the Wallace's is wrong. But 'blind faith' in Larry Norman? No sir, I just stated some facts. Jenny told in her on-line letter (the one posted DDS), that Larry promised to remember Daniel in his will. This was in fact a lie! Larry promised only to remember Daniel in his will if the Wallace's provided him with Daniels certified DNA-profile, which off course had to match with Larry's own profile. Larry's request was refused several times ...
failedangle 2 months ago
What I find disturbing through this whole thread, is the blind-faith, yes, BLIND faith in Larry Norman, another fallible human being. There have been posts here that equate "slander" on Mr. Norman, with slander on the Bible. Who are you kidding??
I personally have many LN albums, and still enjoy them. He was a talented and gifted man. He was a groundbreaking evangelist in the realm of Christian Rock, a genre he pretty much invented, but he was human.
peelingtacoma 2 months ago
Did you ever do the DNA test? Why not?
Why are you doing this? Are you looking for money? Fame? What?
Your actions are very puzzling.
MsPony65 2 months ago
listen , I never said it nuliified his music
MegaMandrake99 2 months ago
"This is the story of Jennifer and Daniel Robinson, who for the last 19 years have been trying to get Larry Norman to admit that he fathered Daniel. "
I'm getting tired of these lies. So this may be my last response to this subject. Larry honestly and openly asked this family to engage in a DNA-test. They denied his requests every time, main subject being money. What else is there to say? Nothing I guess.
larrydavidnormanfan 2 months ago
Mmm, it looks like I'm joking but it really was a typo; dad=dead
failedangle 4 months ago 2
Larry Norman fathering a child in no way nulifys his music. We are humans. Period. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.
meezergurl 5 months ago 2
What this really exposes is the sense in which the church only accepts 'perfect people'..... a Christian's life can never NOT live up to the message, because the message is that we are HOPELESS without CHRIST! The church should (Past, present and future) embrace people like Larry Norman acknowledging their failures because it conveys a much more powerful message to the world than their ability (however empowered by the Holy Spirit) to abide by a moral code does.
MrWolnol 5 months ago 3
@MrWolnol We don't know that Larry fathered this person. The mother/son refuse to have any testing done. What's that about?
Why did they wait until after Larry was dead?
MsPony65 2 months ago
It is strange, because when I look at this young man, he just doesn't even look a little bit like Larry. I hope for this young man, that he will find his father, because that is important.
cobyteune 6 months ago
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stopthisflight 7 months ago
I'm just not seeing a striking resemblance.
GlennZim 7 months ago
I'm afraid I disagree with everybody here... people are seeing an insult against Larry Norman, what about the great injustice against these people?!?! The truth will set you free, Why should it be private? No-one is innocent and these people have been rejected which goes directly against Larry's ideas... and the Bible...
iwanwh 7 months ago
@iwanwh: I agree with you, the truth will set you free. The Bible verse you're quoting means that only Jesus can set you free. It has nothing to do with this situation, so don't quote the Bible in a false way!
Back on topic; why do you believe that Daniel is Larry's son? I can understand you believe this after watching this clip, but Jennifer did only tell what she wants you to know. Daniel is not Larry's son, sorry, but that's the truth. And it won't set you free, sorry again.
failedangle 7 months ago
@failedangle I'm not quite sure how it is false. Jesus said the truth will set you free and Jesus is truth... not sure how it doesn't connect. People in public have more responsibility than those who do not. I like Larry Norman, but I will not defend his mistakes even though I too am a sinner. To those who want to hide this issue I will quote another verse: John 3:19 Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
iwanwh 7 months ago
@iwanwh Sorry, I didn't read the second part of your message. Regarding Larry's private life, it's only recently that I began to study his life although I have listened to his music for 20 years, and this video is at least credible from what I have studied. Secondly, You say that Daniel is not his son... well that can be easily solved... whan the Norman family permit a DNA test...
iwanwh 7 months ago
@iwanwh It could have been easily solved. Larry asked this people to engage in a DNA test at least twice. His request was denied. The reasons for this denial are stated on a Yahoo-group. They differ very much from each other. So why did this people deny Larry's request, but jump all over his family when he passed away? Now that's an easy one. The test would never be conclusive, but it would open the door to a courtroom for them. There are many more facts that you won't see in this video.
failedangle 7 months ago 2
@failedangle - there is no way that anyone can say Daniel is or isn't Larry's son. Wanting something to be or not be true doesn't make it so.
meezergurl 5 months ago
@meezergurl: that sounds fair, but really isn't. A claim like this is easily made, and can do a lot of damage, true or not. If you make a claim like this you have to prove it, otherwise it's clear the goal is to damage someones career.
This people turned down Larry's request for a DNA test two times, that's enough said I think.
failedangle 5 months ago 7
@meezergurl Ever heard of DNA testing ?
domnal 4 months ago
Is it only because I am a secularist that I took the trouble to research sufficient anecdotal evidence to arrive at the following conclusion.? If someone claims to be someone's son he must be obliged to have that confirmed by a credible and verifiable DNA test . It is a very simple test and not costly . However I do have it on very good authority that Daniel's mother was advised by legal counsel not to allow a DNA test to take place . Why ? Could that prove her to be a fantasist after all ?
domnal 4 months ago
Fact - In Australia the natural father is the legal father. Anyone claiming parentage needs to prove that . The onus is still upon the claimant to prove their case. DNA testing is the latest and most reliable way of doing that. Wailing away on Youtube and in other places just makes the observers more suspicious of motives. Why has this not been concluded by now. Some statute must prevent people from making FALSE accusations. Let there be Light , Let there be air , Let there be a DNA test .
domnal 4 months ago
@domnal: Larry asked three times for a test. Two times by mail, one time by phone. Jennifer didn't wanna go along with testing. What else could Larry have done? Sue her? Now he's dad this people bother the whole world with their 'problem'. Unfortunately they 'forgot' some detail, spreading their story.
failedangle 4 months ago 2
@failedangle Jennifer was advised by legal counsel not to allow a DNA test to take place . That tells you that it would have put her in the awkward position of probably being proved a liar from which proof she can be legally made to stop publishing said lies and therefore lose her 15 minutes of fame !!
domnal 4 months ago 2
What are you trying to do, get the whole planet involved in your claim that Larry Norman fathered your son? This a private matter and resources to determine the truth without a public scandal. A simple DNA test would solve the problem and answer the question. Larry Norman, before he died, was in the hospital, they should have DNA samples from possibly blood. I suggest you contact the hospital and request DNA samples for testing.
anunknownsaint 7 months ago
What a Shame Shame Shame... Even if it is true or not true... it is nobody elses business but those who were involved. I have a Father to, but I would never go on Youtube to discuss to the world our business. Because he was known by many, does this mean you need to go public with this, what if he wasn't famous, would this even be on Youtube???
TriRockRadio 9 months ago 3
This is not the proper forum for this sort of a thing. Paternity tests could have been done way back when...and may even be possible still. Using the court of public opinion for something like this is not cool. Now that the man isn't here to defend himself make this especially screwy.
SilverHamer 9 months ago 2
On that last comment from Daniel.....
Anyone who thinks a musician is some sort of holy messiah because of the way they present themselves in their music......thats something that occurs for all musicians, religious or secular, even people like Larry Norman. He had a stage image as the christian rebel, the only christian to have hair that long etc.
AndrewNewZealand 10 months ago
I'm disappointed in Larry Norman, because I do believe what you claim. Aside from hair color, you resemble him very much. I didn't want to believe you, because it meant someone I held up as a sort of hero, had fallen in my eyes. My spirit tells me you're being honest about this however.
I've been a fan of LN for a very long time, and I will continue to be a fan of his work, although his personal life did seem to be quite a mess at times, from what I've read.
wwwdotshadowcatcher 11 months ago
@wwwdotshadowcatcher Your reply is from a week ago, the same date you signed up with Youtube. Another fake one?
Your nick implies you have something to do with the shadow watcher's company, which isn't true.
failedangle 10 months ago
@failedangle wwwdotshadowcatcher was my old name, seldom used. This time around, I couldn't even access it, and created another one. As for the name, Shadow Catcher is from a Daniel Amos album. If you know about Larry Norman, you know about Terry Scott Taylor, and DA... all Christian rockers.
peelingtacoma 2 months ago
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@failedangle wwwdotshadowcatcher was my old name, seldom used. This time around, I couldn't even access it, and created another one. As for the name, Shadow Catcher is from a Daniel Amos album. If you know about Larry Norman, you know about Terry Scott Taylor, and DA... all Christian rockers.
peelingtacoma 2 months ago
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@failedangle wwwdotshadowcatcher was my old name, seldom used. This time around, I couldn't even access it, as I had forgotten the P/W and created another one. As for the name, Shadow Catcher is from a Daniel Amos album. If you know about Larry Norman, you know about Terry Scott Taylor, and DA... all Christian rockers.
peelingtacoma 2 months ago
@wwwdotshadowcatcher Really? Huh.
Larry Norman agreed to DNA testing. His accusers refused.
Now, call me crazy, but most folk would think that casts aspersion on the accusers.
MsPony65 2 months ago
Lets see some proof!!
Your mother has a few pictures with Larry.what else? Any DNA testing?
If he sent her presents, then why did she need to contact CCM? Did she lose his address?
Finally, the "e-mail" from Larry sounds like it was written by a retarded 3rd grader, not a prolific song writer.
Larry was not perfect, but give real proof before you slander his name!!
sprringbing 11 months ago
Lets see some proof!!
Your mother has a few pictures with Larry.
If he sent her presents, then why did she need to contact CCM? Did she lose his address?
Finally, the "e-mail" from Larry sounds like it was written by a retarded 3rd grader, not a prolific song writer.
Larry was not perfect, but give proof before you slander his name!!
sprringbing 11 months ago 2
First of all, the mother talks about how Larry sent her gifts, but when her son develops complications, she needs to contact CCM. Doesn't she have an address from the rings and other things Larry sent her?
Next it says she tried to get Larry to take responsibility... How? Via CCM? Apparently now, she has an address.
Also, the supposed e-mail that Larry wrote sounds like something a third grader would write, not a prolific song writer.
I just don't buy it!!
sprringbing 11 months ago
well...we do have dna testing available...has that been done?
hwymanric10 11 months ago
@hwymanric10 The mother refuses to have it done.
MsPony65 2 months ago
Money is the root of all evil! Let the man RIP!
rockstaryeayeayea 11 months ago
I believe you. The religious community can be very vicious. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Godspeed.
TheOhweht 11 months ago
@TheOhweht You believe them? Based on what, pray tell?
MsPony65 2 months ago
Hi, I have a question for you. Daniel says that his father is Larry Norman. Which he heard from the woman in the video, which I suppose is his mother.
But is there any evidence to support her claim? I ask this because it isn't shown in the video.
Is there any additional evidence, like photo's, letters and probably other stuff? If the womans story is true the man should have left a trail or something like that.
alrikholm 1 year ago
That's not Larry's son......
grimreaper957 1 year ago
"I know now who my father is, and I know just where I stand..."
sorry had to do it!
35geordie 1 year ago
I don't believe it.
And even if it is true, why would you have the unspeakable bad taste (and lack of Christian love) to share this with the world--via Youtube?
Americanissima 1 year ago
@Americanissima: talking about bad taste, if you have been around on the different chat-boxes and forums you would know what kind of lies are being spread by this people.
In the end it seems they want a part of Larry's money. Now Larry died after being sick for many years, not even able to pay his medical bills without help. So to this people I would like to say, good luck with finding Larry's pot of gold. But I doubt you get anything, since there's none.
failedangle 1 year ago 2
You don't even look like him. I don't believe it.
cindy7771 1 year ago
@ThePokefanatic: that would be not so easy as it seems, Larry isn't around anymore you know. So the test would be much more complicated. And then there are the costs for the legal procedure. I don't think the parties involved have enough recourses to cover this.
failedangle 1 year ago
A simple DNA test would end all these comments!
2degucitas 1 year ago
@2degucitas: a simple DNA test would have ended all the rumors in 2006. But nobody showed up for the party!
failedangle 1 year ago 6
Larry was a man of God..end of story..his music changed peoples lives....we even wrote a song about him called "Norman"
skypilgrim1991 1 year ago
@skypilgrim1991
This is a really sad post. I was a fan of Larry for many years since the early 70's. Larry has changed through the years, as we all do. But in the early days, he would have been the first to say that the title "Man of God" is not the end of any story.
softbluejazz 1 year ago
Larry was a man of God..end of story..his music changed peoples lives
skypilgrim1991 1 year ago
Important stuff here... Of course it would be good to hear the other side, from Norman's family... In any case, it's important for people to know that, despite the pedestal people put Larry on, he's human like the rest of us, and an extremely conflicted one at that, right up until the end. Rest in peace, Larry, and thanks for all the inspiration.
kazzos 1 year ago
I am a brand knew fan of Larry Norman. After hearing his one song, that seemed modeled on Bob Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues, I was hooked. The allegations are possible. Being human makes him as fallible as anyone else. He sang about Jesus, but still may have fallen. The thing that I don't understand, is why the family wouldn't, agree to a DNA test. Unless they had strong suspicions that Larry was the father, and they were afraid that the affair, would be bad for business.
jamesaburke7 1 year ago
I don't believe everything that I see or hear on YouTube and the rest of the internet. I'm not that gullible. I think that this video is a hoax, untrue.
Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen!
lindalmont 1 year ago
I don't believe everything I see and hear on YouTube and the rest of the internet. I'm not that gullible. I think that this video is a hoax, untrue.
Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen!
lindalmont 1 year ago 2
Pardon the multiple posts. I didn't realize my first post was up so I posted a second one.
splang 1 year ago
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splang 1 year ago
'm so sick of this dragging Larry through the mud after he's dead. We are all sinners saved by grace. You folks need to forgive Larry AND yourselves. No one is innocent.
Welcome to the real world. That's why Jesus came into this world. To save sinners like Larry, Jennifer,Daniel, myself...and every other person born into this fallen world. Shame on you guys for leeching off Larry's legacy as a Christian artist...and Father. Forgive and get on with your lives.
splang 1 year ago 5
I feel so sorry for Daniel. I wish Larry did the right thing. He didn't and just turned his face when he had a son who needed him. It's torture watching this as a Christian.
SugarRose25 1 year ago
@SugarRose25 How do you know this?
Are you somehow privy to testing that was done of which the rest of the world is unaware?
As a follower of Jesus, it is sad to watch people lie in a public forum like this. It's even sadder to see how gullible folks can be, buying into this woman's scam.
MsPony65 2 months ago
this is just pleasant. larry norman is dead, and he can t respond to this...are you christain? maybe it doesn t matter...is christainity a religion of forgiveness?
does larrys sin, mean his songs aren t relevant...
and you loved him...and your also asking for money also...
well, larrys manipulative, you ve revealed that.
yet we ve also revealed that you are also...
congratulations.
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failedangle 1 year ago
how is it wrong? just because Mr. Norman is dead doesn't mean his son can't speak up a bit
Zyolish 1 year ago 2
@Zyolish He's not proven he's his son. In fact, when given the opportunity to do so, he refused to follow through.
Hardly trustworthy behaviour. Why are you buying it?
MsPony65 2 months ago
Recently a website is launched who handles with the issues FA presents, also this one. Go to failedangle.
failedangle 1 year ago 2
Censoring? So did Stalin and Hitler. You are in good company, friend.
Afraid that the truth be known?
pvallberg 1 year ago
What this shows once again is that only Jesus is perfect, and that He uses who He chooses. Don't make the mistake of putting gifted and anointed people like Larry on a pedestal. Nobody but Jesus can be Jesus...the way to healing is suffering...this is another human story of misunderstanding and pain, a lot of people go through things like this...God used Larry's music and Larry's public and private ministry powerfully. I hope He takes care of these 2. Don't put your trust in men
Andy Pratt
recordsare 1 year ago 9
why do you feel the need to tell the world this..
it is a personal issue..
thatgodchick 1 year ago
peça do dna.
luiztrashluty 1 year ago
I am truly sorry for your sorrows. As one with many problems thru life with family members of one kind or another, I understand you are hurt. Please reach out to the Lord, not to others who are or are not in Him ... no one is perfect. You know that! Do not live your life based on interaction with Larry. You are your own. Only God can lift you up. Rise above the people as others have. I just hope the people that "help" you are not in it for some kind of fame or money. God's peace come to you!!
n07w4tU7hnk 1 year ago 2
wow. He looks like Larry, Hard to believe...but these people look and sound sincere. Doesn't really matter...and they should have made this video YEARS ago...but...ah well. I love Larry...and his Memory...and I love Daniel and Micheal too!
kipthecourtjester 1 year ago
nice one....u listen to a song " all fall down" he mentions my name...you look in the sleeve of his tournequet album and theres a photo of me as a small child...i dunno if u were inserting a slight bit of sarcasm in your previous comment...lol he may not of admitted to many of who i was but he surely didnt hide it 100% it was just his way of contribution to me without making it too obviouse
knectone 1 year ago
@knectone eh, the person Larry's referring to in "all fall down" is someone else.
failedangle 1 year ago 2
@knectone my ex gf's daughter was a cute kid. If I had stayed with her, I'm sure I might do some nice thing for her too... Like sing a song about her. But she was conceived of a guy her mother met long before she met me.
KezRox 1 year ago
Larry might be dead, but Daniel isn't . . . nor is the Norman family that he's supposed to be a part of. Is Daniel just supposed to shrug and say "Oh well, that's that" and allow the family to call him a liar? I hate to use the term, but maybe there needs to be some closure here for Daniel. This wasn't dealt with when Larry was alive, but it still needs to be dealt with. JMHO.
35geordie 2 years ago
I have no problem with you and the family dealing with this, but youtube is not the place for it. Even the secular world tries to keep their family trouble out of the media because they instinctively that this is worse for their family. Bringing it here, Youtube, (where fans search for Larry Norman's video clips) is not about Daniel, it is about Larry.... and once again, He is dead and cannot defend himself. This is wrong.
toddstangl 2 years ago 54
Why not youtube? Seems the best place to get heard.
jenksaustralia 2 years ago
@jenksaustralia have you taken this to the Cross? Totally not Biblical what you are doing. Take it to Jesus...He's the healer. Larry was just like any other Christian...a sinner saved by grace. How many times have you messed up? Do you even know The Lord? If not I pray you seek Him and stop this public slamming of Larry. It's really uncool.
splang 1 year ago 3
All it takes is a DNA test. It's no disgrace to Larry or Jennifer and Daniel. We're all human. Larry is either Daniel's father or he is not. If he is, then Larry's other famly members are wrong to fight against Larry's son.
Daphydyl 1 year ago 4
@toddstangl In their defense this was posted long before his death and if he had nothing to hide he would have done the test if only to clear his name. The fact he refused the test makes him look guilty. They have pictures of him too which say a thousand words so to speak. I am a Larry Norman fan as much as the next guy but if he did the deed and he didn't take responsibility what kind of statement of faith is that? He should have manned up and done the test if only to clear his name.
GULLYGUS15 1 year ago
@GULLYGUS15 Gully, actually Larry died in February of 2008. This was posted in in August of 2008, after Larry's death. He is not refusing a DNA test, his brother Charles is.
toddstangl 1 year ago
@toddstangl The kid in the video is a teenager he had over 15 years before his passing to clear his name. My point is why did he not take the test when he first was accused of the deed?
GULLYGUS15 1 year ago
@GULLYGUS15: Larry has denied all his life that Daniel is his son (remember Blue Book).
In 2006 Larry contacted Daniel personally and asked him to take part in a DNA test, or tell his mother to stop spreading this rumors.
Daniel agreed, but instead of meeting his 'dad' in 2007, he flew to the States to meet David and Randy. So the DNA test wasn't done, which you can't blame on Larry.
I fail to see why Charles should do anything knowing about the above 'happenings'.
failedangle 1 year ago 7
@GULLYGUS15 He didn't refuse the test. He ASKED for it - 3 times, wasn't it?
MsPony65 2 months ago
@MsPony65: yes, 3 times.
failedangle 2 months ago
@toddstangl you're a full dork...go bask in the shame that is rightfully yours.
MegaMandrake99 2 months ago
@35geordie The Normans TRIED to deal with it. Daniel and mum refused to have DNA testing done.
Frankly, I think Mummy has a screw loose and could use some mental health services.
MsPony65 2 months ago
Trying this issue in a public forum like this after the accused is dead and protraying the motive as being pure is wrong. It seems like there is a financial motive or a vindictive one at the root. And either way, there is no peace at the end. Daniel may very well be Larry's son, but this is wrong. Larry is dead.
toddstangl 2 years ago 61
@toddstangl why is it wrong? are you afraid your little Jesus rock idol isn't as shiny as you thought?
MegaMandrake99 2 months ago
@toddstangl why is it wrong? are you afraid that your little Jesus rock idol is not as shiny as you thought? when you step in front of the camera nothing is out of view. or would you like a clinton style cover up with some corpses in the wake? how else do you expect these people to ditch the stigma? everyone knows you have to bring it into the light to get a little healing. or is that not ok with you either? Your ignorance is blinding and you run and hide from the truth you say you love so much
MegaMandrake99 2 months ago
@MegaMandrake99: what is wrong? Simple, Jennifer didn't tell the full and honest story. That's all.
larrydavidnormanfan 2 months ago
@larrydavidnormanfan how do you know? please reveal it to us so we can put all this animosity to rest!
MegaMandrake99 2 months ago
@MegaMandrake99: you're kidding, right? Ask Jenny, she knows what Larry wrote and what she wrote back. Something including demands for airline-tickets ...
This people demanded to see Larry's will, went to court, but not because of money? Larry stated in his requests that he wouldn't include Daniel in his will without a positive, certified DNA-test. He kept his promise, declaring in the will that he isn't Daniels biological father. Jenny lied in her open letter posted on the web, she knew this.
larrydavidnormanfan 2 months ago
@toddstangl dude who ARE YOU to determine what the motive of these people are...the best time for this to come out is when he is dead because it won't hurt him now. it only hurts little cowards that are afraid to own up to the facts. you have no sense of right and wrong...you need to go back to your new world translation and have a study with charles taze russell and the 64 other idiots from this page. I hope Jennifer and Daniel find some peace. 'nuff said
MegaMandrake99 2 months ago
@MegaMandrake99: only little cowards wait until a man's dead, because they had nothing to say to him. Larry asked for a DNA-test several times, what more could Larry have done? I've seen Larry's requests for an CERTIFIED test, and the answers he got. "But no, let's wait until he's dead an buried, and see if we can scare his family so they'll give us some money." That didn't work to well, now did it? Same goes for the wannabe film-maker's on-line hate campaign.
failedangle 2 months ago
@failedangle: don't spent your words on this David guy. He only made two lousy documentaries, which only contains lies, nothing else. Did you see anyone in his sad excuse for a documentary who was saved because of Larry's ministry (like Andy wrote above)? No, like they would be so hard to find. David, you should be ashamed, even more then that! Next time, take on someone who's still alive! Ough! That could cause a problem, because this guy would expose your lies.
larrydavidnormanfan 2 months ago
@failedangle You HAVE to be joking! You think people would put themselves through this for Larry's $12 dollar fortune?
MegaMandrake99 2 months ago
@failedangle Scare them into giving the $12 dollars he has? You think that kind of shame is worth $12 dollars?
MegaMandrake99 2 months ago
I'm all for a DNA test, but it comes across, to me, and others, here it seems, as a malign LN thread at times, which I don't think is conducive to your cause.
Maybe the issues need to be clarified, somewhat. I realize I speak from afar, and I don't mean to be presumptuous.
Why are the Normans resisting? What do you hope to gain from the test? There seems to have been some misunderstandings, and a breakdown in commun., somewhere along the way.
respons22 2 years ago 12
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How exactly could these accusations be backed up more? We have the testimony from those closest to him, evidence of ongoing sexual immorality, horrific treatment of his SR employees . . . and now we have evidence of an illegitimate child. The more we learn, the more it adds up. If it were money Daniel were after, you think he'd go after a broke Christian artist?
Daniel's likely to be telling the truth, given the context of Norman's life. He had great music, but that's not the issue here.
35geordie 2 years ago
Or perhaps it's time for Christians to stop covering up the sins of their stage idols. And now the Norman family seems to be covering it up. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we need to cover up the sins of our leaders, for any reason. Larry apparently did not live a pure and godly life, in spite of what was pressed onto vinyl. So why are we looking to him as an example of what a Christian should be like? If Christians held him accountable, perhaps Daniel would have had a father.
35geordie 2 years ago
And that's why you are part of the Fallen Angel movie? What good can come from that? It's like there is a campaign to undo all the good that came from Larry Norman's music. Let the poor man rest in peace and stop tarnishing his musical legacy.
stinkyfeetjimmy 2 years ago 24
@stinkyfeetjimmy What's wrong with holding people accountable? I think there's a balance here. No one denies Larry's undisputed contribution to Christian music. But if we're people of the Word, we ought to live it. John 8:32 says the truth will set us free. Deal in the light and let the truth arise. There's nothing to be gained by buying into a facade.
travisdoucettemusic 2 years ago
It's impossible to hold a dead person accountable!
stinkyfeetjimmy 2 years ago 30
Im here to tell my story weather some like it or not..think what you may each and every person is entitled to their own decison....hopefully i can get a positive outcome from all of this...cause i hav poured my heart out to complete strangers to judge me and call me names....so if u dont like it thats your own decision but im not going away till a positive outcome has arised out of this whole things..Im here i am who i am and im not going away till this is sorted so get used to it....
knectone 2 years ago
Maybe you should let his memory rest in peace. None of us are perfect and I really don't see the point in pursuing this any farther except in some attempt to gain royalties.
stinkyfeetjimmy 2 years ago 17
@stinkyfeetjimmy Indeed. :)
KezRox 1 year ago
Otherwise pm the message to me, and I'll post it.
Erickaltburg 2 years ago
Not a fan of censorship, and as 3 of my orig. posts (tho I've tried hard to be respectful and fair, I believe) have been repeatedly rejected? (during posting and then immed. afterward. 2 I haven't been allowed to post, incl. my the last few s.) I have begun to question Mom's motives in constr. this site.
respons22 2 years ago
@respons22 And the saga continues. Still won't let me post. Make that 4 posts, at this point.
respons22 2 years ago
@respons22 And now 5.
respons22 2 years ago
@respons22 And now 6.
respons22 2 years ago
Strange, my reply just showed up. No problems here.
Erickaltburg 2 years ago
@Erickaltburg So do MOST of mine, to my continued surprise EACH time; only select posts don't go thru.
respons22 2 years ago
@respons22
I would appreciate letting people see for themselves the posts that have been marked as "spam."
Trying to be fair to all sides here, and continually having to re-word, though nothing wrong with the original.
Censorship, albeit "Christian," Australian CCM censorship etc.
respons22 2 years ago
@respons22 And again.
respons22 2 years ago
thanks for the positive input..i know its such a easy process this DNA thing but the reason the normans are hiding and trying to stop me from doing the DNA is cause they want to better themselves off financially...from my understanding not many of Larrys family liked him but fought over his will as soon as he went.....not a nice thing to say about the man...but he hasnt painted a very pretty picture to his fans imagine what his family think......
knectone 2 years ago
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respons22 2 years ago
@knectone Ya, right...
Larry wasn't a rich man, and left with huge medical bills. What are you trying to cash in on?
(and how long will it be before my comment is removed along with all the other ones calling b.s. on you)?
MsPony65 2 months ago
I hope and pray that someone in the Norman family will have heart to let the DNA test be done...and welcome Daniel as they should...I will be praying for you!
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respons22 2 years ago
I believe you, Daniel.
Believe it or not, a lot of us have to forgive Larry Norman for his behaviour. Even fans who looked up to him have to do this. The musicians whose careers he harmed. He let down a lot of people.
You`ll get a lot of negative comments here because his fans are the ones looking up Norman songs on Youtube.
So many musicians are such miserable, lousy, clueless fathers...even David of the Bible. So strange...
35geordie 2 years ago
hell, i wouldnt want to be his son. bloody christians
Orgas404 2 years ago
listen erickaltburg...if u yourself dont belive this is true after reading it..then i feel sorry for you...and i can call the normans anything i want....cause after what i have gone through with larry and what they are trying to put me through now...i have every reason to do so...thanks for your input..its on the site for people to understand this all a bit to more and not just jump on the bandwagon hating me and my mother for telling the truth....
knectone 2 years ago
So its up to you guys to stop defending your sorry selves like larry did and face up to me cause im coming at you like a freight train....How dare you deny me into your family just so you can better yourselves financially......Your disgusting and it sickens me that i have Relatives out there who could be so cowardly......Face up allow this DNA test to happen and stop being such cowards.....
knectone 2 years ago
I sit back and watch all you people blabber on with Nonsence and saying that im a liar and im out to get something...But all i wanted was my Dad......and it sickens me to see you people lower yourself to such a level.....I want people to believe me that larry is my father for once cause you dont know how it feels to step into my shoes and see everyone pointing there fingers at you and calling you names.....And you Normans...Grow up stop trying to hide realise im not going away...
knectone 2 years ago
I started beating myself up about it secretly for years...I Lost all respect for those who cared for me and i started breaking the law and abusing my body with illegal substances......I dont know where my head was at......It took only until the past year or so to get back on my feet...once facing jailtime and realising that i had dissapointed my family and friends...and that i couldnt keep running from my problems..
knectone 2 years ago
I done know what compelled me to do this a second time but i poured my heart out to him over an email.....Strangely enough the next day i had recieved notification from my mother of Larrys Passing..The exact same day i emailed him to tell him i was sorry for my behaviour...I felt like a part of me had left me...And it had...I pretended to myself that it was ohk and this stuff just happens....But inside i was hurting more then i ever had before in my life.....
knectone 2 years ago
He told me that he found out about me through Randy and that he was making a documentary about Larry and he would really like to hear my story.....So i jumped on a plane and went to LA....Larry was still alive at the time....but i knew Larry was never going to admit who i was and that he was my father and i felt that people needed to know "my story" so i did it.....A month or so after going over for the first time...i had composed a letter to Larry telling him i forgive him for his mistakes...
knectone 2 years ago
Randy then asked me to come and see him and meet his wife Sandy at there sydney gig....so i went..and had a great time listening to his music and being happy for a change....i spoke to Sandy after the concert and she was the first person i spoke to who could explain why Larry was the way he was.....And taught me alot about him..so i left that night....KNowing who my father was....So a few weeks later i get a call From this man in america called David Di Sabbatino....
knectone 2 years ago
I felt a strong presence of jesus that night and after all the years of being scared to admit who my father was...i was compelled to speak to Randy after his concert...and i askd him you know larry norman dont you...and he said yes...Why is it that you ask.... I said u may not believe me but he is my father.....and we talked and randy gave me a hug and we both cried...that was the second happiest day of my life.....
knectone 2 years ago
So therefor i thought this really is the end im never going to have a father and i had to come to "terms" with the fact that after all the years of pain and hurt he had caused me...that he wasnt going to forgive himself and be a real "man".....a few months after i had been back in australia and my mother had booked a church out for a old friend of larrys "RANDY STONEHILL" i was moved by his music and cried and cried cause to me this man was the closest thing id seen and met to my father....
knectone 2 years ago
He then dropped off the face of the earth..then re-appeared....Saying after all the years of his "trying" to be a father...Said your not my son i dont beleive u your mother is a "this n that' and just denying the fact that he was actually my father....and that i was a nasty child and he didnt ever want to speak to me again..."how mature"...
knectone 2 years ago
So i said to him ill see you in another 13 years...Which was very "nasty" of me..But he didnt really give me the option to look forward to seeing him next time....After that i had emailed him and said more nasty stuff....And he went into "defence" mode and started accusing me and my mother for his heart attacks and stress over the years..when really it was just his guilty concious...Knowing that i was out there and he wasnt doing the right thing by me...
knectone 2 years ago
I was also angered at how larry treated me in front of this friend of his Denny...Like i was some child in another country...So we left pizza hut and went to "harrods" and i asked larry if he could buy me a tshirt and he said "ooh i cant i have no money left'.....so we got another cab and drove around talking...and due to his behaviour even though i hadnt seen him in 13 years i was already sick of spending time with him...so i asked him to drop me off at the railway station...He gave me a hug
knectone 2 years ago
He..Then ripped me off for several hundred pounds..Due to my helpfull nature....So Larry had helped me out with around about 230 pounds...and we sat there talking and catching up on how my life and how his life was going....He then asked me to come see a play with him and denny....But then "strangely" enough mentioned that he couldnt afford it after giving me the money.....and how expencive the tickets where....So that resulted in me being once again "dissapointed" and let down by Larry
knectone 2 years ago
So i went and met larry at "pizza hut" and next to him was a man called Denny....Who i thought was his security guard...LOL.....but i had sat down introduced myself to Denny and Re-introduced myself to larry....At the time i had been swindled by con artist in london because he was Supposed to be a christian man and was in need of help....I told him Who my father was..and he started telling me of how he knew of his music..therefor for sum "stupid" reason i had tried helping this guy..
knectone 2 years ago
i was in London...Visiting My brother and sister who had moved there from australia...and i had noticed on larrys website that he was doing a concert in london at the same time i was in the country....So obviously i did my best to contact him...and i did...He knew i was there also and he had made the effort to meet up and have lunch with me.....It had been 13 years.....But none the less i had forgiven him and was just happy to be seeing my father....
knectone 2 years ago
And because of how "larry" was he got scared of me...he Showed me how much of a "coward" he really was....a few more years had gone by and i had a small amount of contact with him via email....explaining my life and how i was going and the good and bad things i was doing....i had forgiven him for what he had done.....i know knobody is perfect and sometimes people make "stupid" decisions cause they are scared......When i was 17...13 years after i had last seen him...
knectone 2 years ago
After years of him not speaking to me,, i developed a "anger issue" towards him cause of how upset i was that he want there for me or my mother...who struggled every day to put clothes on my back and food in my stomach because of how badly "Larry" had left my mother financially......so it was only human of me to feel such anger at a man who could do this to me and my family....so next time i was in contact with larry after those years...it wasnt the nicest of conversations
knectone 2 years ago
As i grew older he had stopped the contact for several years....which angered me....the countless nights between when i last spoke to him and the next time i spoke to him years later...i cried wondering why my "father" didnt want to speak to me....i had always lookd up to Larry most of my childhood...listening to music he had sent me in the mail and just being proud of who he was....But always sad that he wasnt around to be that "amazing musician" that i could call Dad......
knectone 2 years ago
To all of the people who have denied the fact...That i am Larry normans son...
My name is Daniel Robinson.....i was born on the 11th of july 1989.....into a world with a loving family - a father....i grew up knowing who my father was but upset at the fact that he wasnt around to be a "father".....I spoke to larry on the phone for the first few years of my life and had met him for the first time when i was 4....i cant remember a happier time in my life.....
knectone 2 years ago
I remember this song when it came out. I wasn't familiar with the band members. I don't know who your dad was but if you say he's your dad I have no reason to doubt you. Did he pass away or something?
johnnynocaster 2 years ago
Maybe Larry changed tunes after he found the baby was to be named "Daniel" . . . perhaps he felt this was a deliberate reference to the band he neglected and tried to destroy? ;-)
35geordie 2 years ago
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35geordie 2 years ago
I don't look at all like my father. But I look exactly like my mother. But you challenge a DNA test? OK. Well, it is now clear that your "critical thinking" is more suspect than the Norman family's motives for refusing to submit to a DNA test.
If the Normans believe that Daniel is NOT Larry's son, they could immediately end the whole question and put the lie to Daniel's claims. But their refusal to prove it IS the reasonable doubt.
ChristopherWyant 2 years ago
At 35gordie, no, you're not the only one who spotted this. It's one of the reasons I have second thoughts about this claim.
PlanetX777 2 years ago
Eh, you're only right when there's proof.
Besides whining about a DNA test, you don't give a lot of info. This strategy of yours, burning the Normans down including anyone who stands up for them (only 6 in your opinion), won't work.
I've sent you some examples, why not follow that road instead?
PlanetX777 2 years ago
Back again Mr PlanetX .. Why not follow the road you suggest, you ask ? Well we probably will present the "portfolio of evidence" you suggested, but it will be presented in court next year when we reopen the case, it will consist of emails, letters, affidavits, testimony of others. The judge is able to rule on "the balance of probabilities" and that will conclude the matter
stopthisflight 2 years ago
@stopthisflight: that's good. It's the only option you have to proof your case. It's my believe that it can be done this way, if you make sure you have your facts right. Good luck.
PlanetX777 2 years ago
Anyhow, am I the only person wondering why Daniel neither looks nor acts in the least like his "father"?
35geordie 2 years ago
Yes you are the only one ! Daniel is "chip off the old block" in every respect
stopthisflight 2 years ago
It's my understanding that filorox is someone else.
So Larry has only 6 fans? Mmm, still 4 more then Randy ...
PlanetX777 2 years ago
I've gone back through the back and forth comments on this video and I think it's sad that this has turned into such web fight. But throughout the who discussion a few things remain true and I think they need to be summarized: 1- Larry is dead and Christian repentance and forgiveness are no longer possible. Therefore, ill discussions of the dead wil not play will on certain peoples ears, and for good reasons.
KezRox 2 years ago
@KezRox 2- Jennifer, David and several others often appear to play the same manipulative cards they accuse Larry of. You can deny that, but the appearance is there nonetheless. 3- Money, earthly recognition, "lineage" etc., etc. are worldly pursuits that will kill you if you are lifelong obsessed.
KezRox 2 years ago