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  • 02:22 - 2:41 Is fucking legendary

  • What a guy.

  • "To live in the hearts we leave behind is to never die" I have to say, Christopher no doubt attained this. No one can quite put it so sharply, and to the point, how ridiculous these delusions are. And the best part is, no science or philosophical background is required for him to show how ridiculous religious belief is.

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  • immortality is, to be remembered! i for one will do my best to continue his work. maybe if one million more join me we might have the same effect!

  • @m4dmike im with u brothurr :)

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  • Hitchens just explains it all, straight to the point and so true. We atheists should start to stand up more.

  • I remember as a Mormon kid, my parents used to make me sit down and listen to the heads of the church give these long speeches about faith and scripture. Now, I sincerely wish they had made me listen to Hitchens instead. I would have grasped logic and inquiry at a much younger age.

  • Nobody could ridicule religion quite as properly as Hitchens. Man, I miss him!!!

  • LOVED this guy. He has left a great void. We non-believers really need to start speaking up more.

  • Man, that last speech is absolutely beautiful. It made me weep at the loss of this great man.

  • Thanks man.

  • OK, I used to say there was no god, but Hitchens is God! Maybe he will come out of the clouds on white horse!! Hahaha!

    Great compilation JediJesseS!

  • The lying sack of shit for Christ took issue with his convoluted rambling being attributed with "imprecision," but he didn't mind being called "unctuous" at all. It means "greasy."

  • Raise your glasses, people! C'mon

  • deluded religious people of any religion can't hear the truth because the have been brainwashed. we must seek the rational truth, religion "ain't" it.

  • What debate is 2:25 from?

  • 9:00 the evangelist scoffing at the criticism of "extreme imprecision" as if it's a minor quibble, and that language is supposed to do anything other than clarify.

  • @nobovrilformethanks He also didn't mind his word salad being called "unctuous" (greasy).

  • @sillygames

    he would have if he'd known what it meant!

  • @tigeesforchrist

    We also create very elborate religious doctrine, and a lot of pathetic gods

  • @tbennett450 Christopher Hitchens taught courses at many universities as a visiting professor. Berkeley, the University of Pittsburgh, the New School in New York, and so on.

  • @JediJesseS You don't have to be a professor, or even a doctor to teach at universities. To the best of my knowledge he is not a professor of anything. I'm happy to be proved wrong though

  • @JediJesseS I think you are right actually. I didn't know such a thing as a visiting professor existed!

  • @JediJesseS The commenter might be British - in Britain, 'professor' is not a title automatically granted a university academic, it is a very esteemed position attained usually after a lifetime's considerable research.

  • Very nice compilation. Thanks for it.

  • Hitchslap - noun

    The single most devastating weapon known to man.

  • Hitchens is a modern day Socrates, a true crusader of reason and rationality. He will be sorely missed.

  • @tigersforchrist Oh stfu already.

  • thanks so much for uploading these.

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  • that woman sounds remarkably similar to Jimmy Carter

  • You did the right thing posting this, the world must see his gifts

  • Great video, many thanks for putting it together

  • Which debate is 17:43 from? I just have to see it!

  • @maccollo Hitch ate D'Souza's lunch in debate several times. I think they're all on YouTube.

  • @maccollo It's from a debate called: God on Trial. All the videos have been taken down on youtube from this debate but you can pre-order it on Amazon for about 10 bucks.

  • Love Hitchens. Many great points. However, I don't think that religion is the root of all evil. I think the direction that we cast our will determines whether we affect the world for the worse or the better. At first hand this may appear a facile sentiment. The justification for this point lies in the fact born out by history that evil is dependent neither upon philosophy or worldview but rather the confused goals of the misinformed, intellectually lazy, or willfully ignorant.

  • @BirchTreeBand I think the point is not that it is religion is the root of all evil but rather that false belief is the one thing that can convince a good person to commit evil, as Hitch often said.

  • @MadBasstid Correct, however I think that a person who has their faculties of critical thought intact can function as an agent of good in any given framework and that H's ire with religion

  • @BirchTreeBand is the result of an unbalanced analysis through the use of a too narrow focal lens. Societal ills can't be remedied with the dissolution of institutions.

  • @BirchTreeBand Hitch always said he was content for the religious to have their toys as long as they would leave him out of it. But they don't. What good can it possibly do for a lot of people to take as literal a book that advocates murder and rape and was written before we as a species know anything about our world? Demonstrably, very little compared with the grave ills we observe. I think Hitch was pretty right-on about religion.

  • @MadBasstid Again, correct to an extent. I suppose 'to an extent' encapsulates the nature of my conceptions of the world as being shades of grey rather than black and white in all its aspects, religion included. While much bad has come from religion the philosophies and disciplines that sprang from it were essential parts of humanities learning curve. While most aspects can be left in our past there is evidence to suggest that sociological value may exist in religions milder forms.

  • @BirchTreeBand I don't see the world in black and white either, hence my use of qualifying terms ie "very little". of course there's value, not saying there isn't, but there's precious little of it and very grave ills. In sum it isn't worth it when you can encourage people to actually be brave and seek truth.

  • thank goodness for the advancements of science and knowledge so that we don't have to submit to religious bull crap.

  • R.I.P. Christopher.

  • Dawkins - The Brain

    Hitchens - The Brawn

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  • 17:43 - Quite possibly the greatest retaliation to Pascal's wager in history.

  • 8:49 lol.

  • OH NEOS CHRIS AT THE START IS SICK DDDDDDDDDDD: :((((((((( IT MAKES ME SAD INSIDE!

  • I once saw a comment on a religious video that said something like Hitchens' death was an early Christmas present. I didn't reply to it because someone that far gone is beyond my help, and since it was a religious channel, my comment probably would've been blocked anyway. It is hard for me to describe how disgusted I am towards a thing like that, and yet at the same time I feel bad for them.

  • Great vids!!!

  • I don't understand all the hostility. I'm a devout Christian but Hitchens's statements, even the anti-religious ones, are almost always unique, often amusing, and always eloquently expressed. I love the guy, even if I disagree with his views. I consider him an admirable man, and worthy of being a hero to unbelievers. He believes what he says, and I think that's the most important thing,

  • @FaithfulWitness6 Plus he is right......

  • @tigerlilly66

    Ad hominem. Ad hominem. Ad hominem. You should be ashamed. Credulity is not something you can prescribe to philosophy, you can only meet it with argumentation otherwise you are of no use here, smere elsewhere you subhuman.

  • You DO have a buddhist option people. hatred of females was not taught by buddha. How ancient storytellers wish to relay the buddhas birth doesn't reflect the philosophy and teachings of the buddha.

  • Awswom Video thanks for posting!

  • Wilson - I find you contemptible

  • "Take the risk of thinking for yourself."

    thanks Jedi for posting this vid. it's left me feeling all warm inside in, dare i say it, a 'spiritual' way.

    the contribution of 'Sir' Chris to the freethinking world will never be forgotten. 

  • We miss you Christopher!

  • I will miss him deeply, by far one of my personal influences. I've learned so, so much from this man, a man i have never met.

  • @yalb93. Believing in a being with absolutely no evidence to do so is not logical at all.

  • Is atheism necessarily more logical than deism? An unmoved mover seems plausible to me.

  • @yalb93 only at first, then you run the risk of (as hitchens would say) of the endless regression, this tautalogy as to where this mover came from. The reason atheist dont believe it, is becuase there is no evidence for it, and everything seems to work just fine without God.

  • @JediJesseS great video! can i ask from where did you get the clip at 7:51?

  • nice juxtaposition especially starting at 8:40

  • "Faith is the willingness to assume what you have to prove" - Christopher Hitchens. Thank you, Hitch!

  • @MrTyza = Isn't it strange that atheists always, and I do mean ALWAYS demand of "religion" that they "prove" the basis for their faith, yet never, and I do mean NEVER require this of themselves.

    Posture, postulate, fume, obfuscate, pontificate all you want - ATHEISM IS BASED ON FAITH, PLAIN AND SIMPLE !

    How completely hypocritical of atheists to want one set of rules for "religion", yet a complete different set for themselves. Has to be that way since atheism has NOTHING to offer.

  • @tigerlilly66 As the religious are the ones making the assertion that there is a God, it is their responsibility to prove that he exists. There is no way on earth that one can prove that something does NOT exist, that is why it would be impossible and irrational to ask a non-believer to prove their non-belief. I think the difference between the two sides has to do with your last sentence: "atheism has NOTHING to offer".The religious mind demands an explanation for our existence, atheists no not.

  • @MrTyza =

    Why would anyone applaud someone for an "assumption". Last time I checked, the defintion of the word requires just what I've already stated...a LOT of faith.

    I'm sure glad I'm not staking MY eternal destiny on the wit and wisdom of Mr. Hitchens, or any OTHER human being, for that matter.

  • @tigerlilly66 Yes, from your point of view, both sides require faith. If I can use a science analogy: Your 'control' condition has the existence of God, and your "experimental" condition does not (that would be the atheists position). An atheists position is the opposite, so its not that we think he is there and just refusing to accept it, it is that we have never thought that to be a viable explanation. Much like knowing Santa isnt real.

    Im not so ignorant to base my views only on Hitch, btw.

  • @MrTyza = From MY point of view faith is necessary, but not yours? You want to flip the equation and think that doing so changes anything?

    That's like saying "hearing loss is caused by deafness" is incorrect, but it IS correct to state that "deafness is caused by hearing loss". You're simply re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, my friend.

    The Creator God (aka Jesus Christ) will move both Heaven and Earth to reveal Himself to those who truly are open to the evidence!

  • @tigerlilly66 If faith is the willingness to assume what you have to prove, then how can my position be that of faith? I do not have to prove that something does NOT exist, that is the task of those who posit that it does exist. There is a fundamental difference in our views on this, and neither of us would apologize for this. A really good debater might even make me think about deism, but theism is too far off for me to seriously consider. If it is god testing my faith, then he I have failed!

  • @tigerlilly66

    "Faith: not wanting to know what is true."

    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • @Amberdextrix =

    The opinion of a pedophile Nihilist is supposed to carry weight in a discussion what consititutes "faith".

    That's like asking someone who is 400 pounds for advice concerning how to cut a few pounds yourself.

    Something like "the pot calling the kettle black".

    Nice try, though.

  • It is heartening to see here how many disciples Hitch's ideas have launched.

    However, other posts here suggest perhaps we should all start campaigning for the compulsory teaching of the celestial teapot in schools. Still too many out there who just don't yet grasp this rather essential argument.

  • Wonderful tribute to an amazing man. It is through the medium of the internet that we will be able to spread the word of rationalism and freethinking to a wider audience. The more that religious people are faced with thoughtful, insightful arguments, such as those propounded by Mr Hitchens, the greater the chance of civilisation throwing off the shackles of oppressive superstition and tyrannical theocracy.

  • hah the woman on the phone around 8:30 is so rich. Excellent excellent video. thank you.

  • this is like porn to me

  • @AbellaEduardable Why no infinite like button???!!

  • @AbellaEduardable

    that's what you call a wet-handed compliment!

  • The combination of the video and the video description did make me shed a tear. I love Hitchens almost as much as one might know and love Jesus, and that is no exaggeration. He changed my life for the better and I hope to forever be one of the many mouthpieces to continue his work. (I wasn't easily moved, by the way. This was many years in the making.)

    I only hope the sense of anti-theism ended up making his life all cynical, like it has mine sometimes. He certainly maintained humor, regardless

  • To the dear uploader, the description that you provided for this video was incredibly touching, and I thank you for it. I, too, was inspired and strengthened by Hitchens, and his arguments have provided me with the courage, resolve, and ability to eloquently, bravely, and cogently express these ideals. This warm, emotional tribute, though insufficient as any tribute to him must by needs be, did what little justice could be done to the memory of this great man.

  • Is the first clip one of him Hitchslapping the whole audience? Lol.

  • @StAndAl0neCompl3x More like the whole religious world :)

  • Thank you Professor Hitchens. We love you.

  • Man I miss Hitchens !!!

  • Log live Hitchens' stand on foolish superstition. If the religious’ claims were true, scientific inquisition and evidence would be in total agreement with them – not completely opposite as they are constantly found to be.

  • Thank you for uploading this. He was a great orator and thinker, and this is a fine tribute. I disagreed with him on many political concepts, but I still love his capacity for argument and discussion. He helped me express my feelings on religion and science, and that was a grand thing!

  • @patrick112590 - obviously not. Hitch sounds like he says 'Hugh Grant' at the specified time. Nobody has anything on CH. This guy has literally changed my life.

  • if the religious are concerned about hitchens and his colleagues they are about to meet a generation of children brought up with the internet from birth, with the ability to question ridiculous theology and who are going to find these videos at 9, 10, 11 years old. "all these things will yield to science and reason" (hitchens), get ready to watch that prediction come true in the next 30 years

  • 15 people (disliking this vid) apparently believe in a zombie who originated from a virgin. Also, that zombie was a god. (do atheists even have to try very hard to make that sound silly?)

  • 10:16 - Hugh Grant?

  • @lewismcmil You're kidding me, right? Hugh Grant doesn't have anything on Hitchens.

  • This is brilliant.

  • So yeah, there's a lot to boast about being an Atheist. And if you really think religions are an utter waste of time, what makes you so different from us?

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  • @XforeverlongingX ... I'm not following you. What were you replying to?

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  • @Nebster173 Fantastic rebuttal. 

  • Atheists have a lot to boasts about because they are the rational few who don't believe some 900 year old desert fart built a ship and and got two of every species on the planet to live in it for 40 days. They are the sensible few who don't believe the earth is 6000 years old when all the evidence points otherwise. They are the respectable few who wouldn't stand for oppression of women or homosexuals. They are the mature few who wouldn't hang you for a conflicting opinion.

  • @Nebster173 = Actually, if anyone has a lot to "boasts" about (giggle), it would be Christians.We know (1) where we came from; (2) why we're here, and; (3) where we're going when we leave this brief existence here. But since we know arrogance and loud mouths go together in people like YOU, for example, we do not flaunt what we already know we do not deserve. Like you, we deserve Hell, however, our payment out is paid in full by Jesus Christ.

    Scoff, ridicule, and posture all you want

  • @tigerlilly66 Asserting bullshit doesn't make it true. Is your idealistic worldview supported by facts? No, you don't know why you're here and where you're going... etc. You think you know, but you actually don't. You have been brainwashed to think so. You're a fucking idiot.

    Have you got ANYTHING, ANYTHING, to prove your bible is right? You're kidding yourself. Faith is the willingness to assume what you have to prove. Do you have proof? Do you? Why are you so sure of the bible?

  • @tigerlilly66 But you don't "know" any of those three things. You just /think/ you know. As do people of other religions. TBH, I wouldn't consider it something to boast about anyway, because I don't consider the fact that I don't know where I came from, why I'm here or where I'm going to be a bad thing. The only thing that matters to me is that I /am/ here; that I'm happy to be here. Just because your religion provides you with answers to the big questions, doesn't make you superior to anyone.

  • @tigerlilly66 You know nothing.

  • @Nebster173

    Superbly put. However isn't the sick and backward nature of our world ever more evident than the fact that NOT believing in a book that was written some 2000 years ago by people with no understanding of science is considered an honourable and intelligent thing? It's like a drug addict being hailed as great because they haven't taken heroin for a week. It is due to the stupidity out there caused by religion that means people with normal common sense are seen as clever.

  • @Nebster173 Shut up

  • Many people, me included, don't really mind not knowing. I don't really mind not having answers. I'm not afraid and I don't wish for an afterlife. I don't care if there is or there isn't a creator.

    Well, I do care to some extent, but I don't base my life chasing over something I might never know. And if there ever will be an answer to all our questions, it will be through science, not what some desert people thought up thousands of years ago.

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  • what debate does 0:42 come from

  • What if I just wrote a book that gave you hope, solutions and answers? Would you believe in that? Does that make it the truth just because it contains what you want it to contain?

    If there wasn't a god, would you want to know?

  • Awesome. What an rare, extraordinary human being he was. 

  • The only afterlife is the survival of someones ideas. And this was a man with great ideas.

  • My question wasn't rhetorical. And I will believe in anything once provided with proof. So go ahead. Do you have proof though? I don't think so, but again, go ahead. I'm not stubborn.

    Yes, as I explained earlier, Atheism doesn't come with a book and rules and laws and... etc. Atheism doesn't offer an explanation to "why we're here". Science does, so go check it out.

    I don't understand how simply claiming to have a reason for "why we're here" makes a religion true. Doesn't every religiondothat

  • @Nebster173 = This isn't your comment I wanted to reply to, but it didn't post. I'm glad you concede what the late-great Guru of Atheism stated about your "faith", and I use that word on purpose. Faith is at the heart of atheism too. I marvel why anyone who can reason would buy into your schtick. Atheism is nothing but nihlism...no answers, no solutions, no hope, no originality - just blatant denials of anything and everything "religious". Oh yeah...that's JUST what our world needs.

  • @tigerlilly66 =

    Atheism is indeed nihilistic, but it is also solipsistic. Those of you confused by these terms, just go have a beer, belch loudly, and turn on WWF.

    For that tiny segment of you that either know the terms, or cared enough to look up the definitions (congratulations!), know that the Guru knew them, and acknowledged them. Atheism is all about BOTH - you know it and I know it. Don't flatter yourself about science being your "proof"...it never has nor ever will.

  • @tigerlilly66 Nihilism and Solipsism don't necessarily correlate with Atheism. You still don't understand what Atheism is.

    I can write huge blocks of text on how religion isn't what "the world needs" but that would be beside the point. You still don't get it. Who says truth has to ideally fit into your perspective on how the world should be or what the world needs? A book written 2000 years ago? Do you have any reason to believe in that book?

  • @Nebster173 = So we revert to the old "begging the question" ploy, do we? I rarely have an encounter with an atheist where this tried and true technique is applied at some point...give yourself an "A" for sticking to the Atheist Playbook, pages 15-16.

    The big difference between us is that Christianity freely offers solutions to those willing to receive them. You, in contrast, can but offer "non-solutions" to the "non-problems" people have. Nihilism and solipsism apply? you BETCHA!

  • @tigerlilly66 atheism is 'solipsistic'? You are told as a christian that you're a miserable sinner, you deserve nothing. But, take heart, against all the evidence that humans and other animals have evolved from less advanced lifeforms, you assert that the entire universe was designed with just YOU in mind and god himself has a mission for YOU and moreover, he even died for YOU. What we have here is the maximum of servility fused with the maximum of solipsism. Its unbelievably conceited.

  • @FryderykFChopin Without any thumbs up (Before mine), youtube is showing your comment as a top one.

    It made an excellent choice.

  • @FryderykFChopin = I'll take the "evidence" for belief in a Creator-God that simply spoke the universe into being, and sustains it and everything in it to this very hour. It is found in a book that you don't understand because you choose not to understand, nor even desire to do so. As the saying goes,"no man is so blind as him that WILL NOT see". You accept the "evidence" of random chance, eons of time, and the capricious whims of "nature" as your foundation, and it is indeed a very sandy one.

  • @tigerlilly66 I'm afraid I don't see how the claim I believe in the bible because its true, and its true because its in the bible, therefore you should believe it, in any way constitutes as 'evidence'.

  • @tigerlilly66 You have to prove the bible is true before you present anything in it as evidence.

  • @Nebster173 = Ahh! Here comes the old "Shifting the Burden of Proof" ploy!

    Definition: Forgetting that it is YOUR responsibility to prove your claim, not your opponent’s (me)!

    Examples: Proposing an "absolute" (the Bible is not the Words of God) then demanding your critics (me) to prove you wrong.

    Huff and puff all you want. The Bible makes no attempt to "prove" itself, nor does it have to. Thinking people will examine it for themselves, then decide. You simply shuck and jive.

  • @tigerlilly66 LOL

    You still don't get, do you? I'm not claiming anything, YOU are. YOU are claiming that your bible is god's word, YOU are claiming it is the only truth, YOU are claiming all this nonsense. All I am doing is denying it. Why should I deny it? Why shouldn't I? If I told you I had a flying monkey would the burden of proof be on you? Or should I be able to prove my ridiculous claim so people would take me seriously? A Muslim would put up the same argument about hisQuran

  • @Nebster173 Why aren't you muslim?

  • @tigerlilly66 Extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary claims, don't you dare say that an Atheist must disprove that which is not proven to be at a disagreement. We will not prove you wrong until you prove yourself. By the way, the Bible made me an Atheist.

  • @FryderykFChopin You speak like Hitchens, comrade. Preach on.

  • @FryderykFChopin

    You get the other side of juicy irony when Scientists and Atheists are accused of being arrogant by Theists despite the fact that Scientists and Atheists are the ones who constantly say that they do not know of the origins of the Universe and won't say what they are until we have overwhelming evidence that suggests what it is and yet Theists are saying "THIS it what happened, no questions asked, I am right despite the fact that no evidence supports my claim"

  • @tigerlilly66 What a clever person U are. You've got yourself an old book full of contradictory bullshit. All us atheist's have is the best explanations our species has ever come up with. Theist = Complete fuckwit....

  • @TheBrockster88 = It is "we" atheists, not "us", but of course WHY on earth would I expect anyone who has the vocabulary of a gutter rat to understand basic grammar?

    When pushed just a LITTLE bit, you atheist types take it down into the sewer from which you come and call home. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, and I'm really not, but still just a touch disappointed. You can be pleased at yourself for THAT, if nothing else, right?

  • @tigerlilly66 Hey tiger, did someone fuck you when you were little? lol

  • @Nebster173 = I must apologize for unintentionally failing to answer your question in your post of a day ago. It wasn't that I dodged it, but that my point about nihilism/solipsism was the greater need at that moment. Your point about answering the question "why we're here" is correct...it does NOT necessarily make any "religion" true. I'll go you one better - "religion" is an utter waste of time. I'm not playing word games here. If religion is all I have to offer, atheism wins!

  • @Nebster173 = You sound like someone who can reason and communicate...glad to see it. It gets REAL old to have someone throw a bevy of "F" bombs your way anytime they get pressed. I know that marks me as old-fashioned, but that's quite okay with me. Does it not trouble you at all that to admit what you have means exactly what I've been maintaining all along...atheism has NO answers for the fears, needs, and questions of the souls of men?? What is there to boast about in that?

  • @tigerlilly66 Atheism is just a negation, it's not a set of beliefs or a bill of rules. WHY would you expect it to have answers? All it takes to be an atheist is not to be a theist. That's it. This really isn't a complicated idea.

    And why is religion giving out false answers a good thing? Personally, I'd rather settle with no answers at all instead of wasting the only life I have with lies.

  • Hitchens at about 10 minutes in - pure magnificence. I miss you so much, you bastard.

  • The final statement in this video actually gave me goose bumps. Brilliant words.

  • @Zentz29 Jeremiah 3:13, 19 . Jesus will take the pounding for your sins, and you get a kingdom. Just confess and repent. It's a sweet deal. Rely on Him for salvation from your sins not on the prattling of this fool Hitchens or any other blind guide.

  • @MoriyaMug . If you make yourself your own god, you are a man of great faith indeed. If you feel you can stand before the righteous judge as a blameless person, then no Christian is trying to talk you out of it. Jesus is only for sinners who can't be made right with God on their own. That offer is open to everyone reading this. If you have the faith to stand before the judge on your own merits, no one is stopping you.

  • @hznfrst Look I'm sorry I can't argue tax law with you maybe you should contact your congressman. I would say that there is a difference in belief in superstitions "Don't open an umbrella in doors" and religion "don't steal". Ultimately I think the violations of objective moral law (God's law) have bigger consequences than a superstition (Don't walk under a ladder)

  • I miss Christopher Hitchens tremendously, his keen sense of wit and intellectual integrity were rare qualities and his connection to the world and its people so uncommon for such a well-read man.

  • GOD DAMN but I miss having this guy around!

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  • "I'm a Christian but I don't believe in God, nor do I believe in the Bible, nor do I believe in Christ..." That woman was begging to get Hitchslapped! :)

  • @Zentz29 "And yes, it is VERY possible that the authors of the NT purposefully wrote to fit with some of the OT." Its VERY possible you are just making stuff up without even the smallest shred of evidence. Do you see why no thinking man can respect a school of thought like atheism that makes bizarre, unfounded claims and presents not even a small piece of evidence?

  • @Commenter11211 The irony of your question is utterly lost on you, isn't it?

  • @MoriyaMug Christians are 100% funded by donations / volunteers and are frequently beaten / martyred for spreading their message of love and repentance, and the BEST argument the atheist has is "They're obviously deceiving us for personal gain". All I am saying is you understand why no thinking person accepts your argument.

  • @Commenter11211 100% funded by donations??!! You undeserving leeches get a HUGE tax exemption in the US and state financial support in most countries on the planet! Only a pathological LIAR could say what you did with a straight face!

    Oue best argument is nothing like the cheesy one you claim it is, either: our best argument is that religion is nothing but childish superstition with *no* supporting evidence and indeed with oiverwhekming evidence *against* it! You are a 24-carat fool.

  • @hznfrst Church is not run for a profit, I am telling the truth I don't know else what to tell you. Christ's ministry continues only because of generous people giving their time and money for nothing tangible in return. The atheist may claim that salvation from sin is just a rumor, a legend or superstition but you need not listen to him. The Lord can save you from your sins it is no superstition. If you want evidence read the prophets for "No sign shall be given except that of the prophet Jonah"

  • @Commenter11211 You are either the most naive person on Earth or the worst liar: religious organizations get tax exemptions only because they are religions, and that is a blatant violation of the Constitution's First Amendment. Christ, learn this much about the real world at least. What is your definition of 'superstition,' by the way - anything that isn't christian?

  • @Commenter11211 Not my point, but okay. The tax-exempt status of churches means that taxpayer money is effectively subsidizing churches. If you don't believe me, then you don't understand economics. The point about irony was that you accuse atheists of making statements without evidence to back it up... which is, of course, the precise reason that atheists don't buy into the god concept to begin with. There's literally no reason to believe, and plenty of reasons NOT to.

  • @MoriyaMug You are correct that my understanding of non-profits and economics is "non-existant" (at best). There's no reason to believe? Believe if you want to be saved from your sins, my friend.