Candid Talk on Afghan War

[salimkhan007]

man live afghanistan and return to home u cant control these people these are the fighter never defeated go to u r home and enjoy life with ur families

[crocfme]

Looks to me like the battle of the 'hearts and minds' may be over, and we lost. If the insugents/guerillas/Taliban have the support of the general population then history would seem to indicate that we will lose the war....

[actonbath]

VIETNAM REDUX-playing at your local theater.

plot: Dumb westerners go to Afghanistan to save a people that do not want or need saving or want to be enslaved with morally corrupt western culture.

[actonbath]

"Winning hearts and minds".....wow, that really is a "new strategy".

"Glimmers of success"-hey lets give these Talibans kids some crayons and maybe their fathers won't come out and shoot at us or support the Tali fighters....ummm OK..that will work.....

[browneyes4]

If we are going to have our troops become social service workers in Afghanistan, then, we've lost!

[beancube2008]

Read the death toll, would you? You lost their trust already. You have no real feelings for humanity. You just shift from task to task and sell your soul wearing a mask pretending just for doing a job. Get pay professional soldiers became the most hated people on Earth right now. Where is our real peace keepers? Where is our United Nations now? If money is so important, why should allow someone in Wall St. almost bankrupt US?

[vincenz55]

give me a break the talibans and afghan governments drug money? haha

how about americas, europe and the rest of the worlds drug money lol

[Barackobama1000000]

I know where he is and who he is he eheheh eh,the best friend of the USA.Just only an face for the tv.You stupid Guys believ in everything your hear and see,the truth of this is,that they take the Billions of Money,and you shoot for them.Everything was an lie!!!!!!

[Par5Birdie]

HOW do you determine SUCCESS? Is it when they find Bin Laden in a cave alone? Why do they think HE'S IN any of those countries, he owns more than $200,000,000. They actually think this guy is in a cave in one of the poorest countries on earth?

[JuanVoyce]

Another Vietnam.

[sonygvf]

Yep, You'd think we'd learn something by now, but no...

[dericko123]

the taliban are sunni not shia and they are not al queda you americans really are a bunch of dumb shits i bet you dont even know the meaning of the words al quaeda. Dell from wales you dont know where that is either do you

[Californianboy626]

i would be pist if we left that means osama wins and got away with blowing up the trade centers.

[dustylefou]

I see they're getting M16A2s to the Afghan forces these days. Good stuff.

[GRU2003]

it's definitely good news for Taliban, because they have AKMs (7.62) and AK-74M (5.45) -- a better stuff. M16 sucks. When people have freedom of choice: M16 or AKM -- they will always choose AK

[dustylefou]

Yeah. We totally issue out M16's and M4's to our personnel because they are inferior to the inprecise Soviet small arms. *rolls eyes*

[GRU2003]

It's just a medical fact -- russian small arms are better for combat. You are ahead of us in night visions, gps and radio equipment -- no doubts on that!

[PikeSdream]

Another Vietnam.

Maybe a lesson will be learnt this time.

[Californianboy626]

how is it another vietnam were there cause 9/11 not cause we give a shit about those afghans,it may seem like that because of the fucking media changes everything.

[trfilmwrks]

Give away porn and ipods, let other people raise their children while working 16 hour days, fill every face with fast food, addict them to t.v and movie stars, put make-up on 8 year old girls, amp little boys up on video game violence, let everyone own assault rifles and crak pipes, line the pockets of elected officials, teach their banks to jack up credit card rates on the poor and old, throw the sick into the street, allow secret societies to control politics and they will be defeated.

[IntuitPictures]

Oil, Gold & Drugs..they got it, we want it!!

[ufos22]

I wonder when we will get a Nation leader that is not a murderer. Sure, Bush killed 3000 in 2001 on 911. But Obama? Before you call me a traitor ask yourself if you beleive in God. God did'nt say you can murder people if your country thinks it's the right thing to do. If a gang member kills someone, that's bad right? Killing for your gang or killing for your country, it's just a matter of counting constituent's or gang members. God said, thou shalt not kill. And that should be the end of it.

[beancube2008]

Just announce naming god is a fallacy. When Taliban doesn't have god and culture behind them and their religious killings and executions will become a self defeat actions. Audit our military establishment and replacing commanders with more new bloods who really understand what the majority of our population want with the world. NATO is against the public right now. They should return to the public where they were from or US will held referendum resigning from them.

[distressed7]

Howl! LOL!"more newbloods" who are the most fucked up bunch of losers. Dorks, who are largely the age of wretched "fighting men" who did a great job at the many undisovered Abu Ghraibs, and Gitmos scattered worldwide. Professional queers in camo giving the heeho! for the red, white and blue! Amen! This is why, like Rome, we will meet our Huns. Now we even have a Constantinian neocon "church". A reviling assortment of assholes who use the name of Jesus like an incantation on a Ouija board. LOL!

[beancube2008]

Agree. Isn't it sad. Perhaps people should trade their country to those victims to stop the repeating wheel of history. We have to break the curse, people!

[beancube2008]

Just order our troops taking back all advance weapons we sold over there. Block Israel using their weapons we sold them then there is no way they don't talk peace with people living there with them. Iran has no way attacking anyone in mass scale while the whole world and the public, Iranian majority, are watching. This is the way to go, send troops to Israel and take back all weapons.

[billeybop]

George Bush Cheny and Rummy,the real 3 stooges. They went into a random country for 8 years to give them time to rebuild, instead of finishing our only real objective,AnaPanaCanaStana! Either commit or Quit for the sake of lives!

[dave777blaster]

Americans are their own worse enemy

arrogance has lost Another war

Do Americans learn from history ?

no it is filled with lies from their apollogists or is too painful to look at.

They now face mounting costs

they end will come and Americans will whimper home with their tails between their legs like Vietnam

in 40 yrs they will repeat it all again

such is the price of arrogance and ignorance

US politicians are Domestic Terrorists

the American people too dumb now to even notice

[TheNewVideo]

And I puked on Obama for being rebuked.

[dave777blaster]

the only terrorsist are the CIA MI6 Mossad

[ITZDAMOBB]

either we leave and let afghanistan become a terrorist nation or we stay and defeat them.

its as simple as that. if u are against this war u are against being safe.

being against this war is like being against condoms.

my uncle trained with the Taliban back in the 90's, I know exactly what I am talking about.

Note to CIA FBI and NSA: My uncle is not in the US and no one has contact with him.

[distressed7]

Just watching this 2nd hand TV shit makes me glad I have books. I can take the YouTube anytime, but CBS is sterling bullshit propaganda. Stupid entertainment for the airheads of the slave cable. Bread n' circus sports for the mindless overstuffed families of America. We actually believe we can help the world. The Afghans will throw this new propaganda campaign to the 4 winds, or they will regret even listening to our bullshit. To the wonderful smiling Nazis of my lying nation. UR bullshit

[Wolffanator]

Whether it's Obama, Bush, or another president isn't to relevant to relevant regarding this situation at this point if you ask me. It probably would be the same situation under Mc,Cain or Obama, Ron Paul or Kucinich would actually withdraw though. Anyway, We've seen this movie before and nobody wants to admit what it is. We're looooosing this war. Fight smarter not harder. We always have to do this occupation buliding democracy bullshit. Get Osama Bin Ladens head and get out of there.

[distressed7]

Nothing will be accomplished by getting his head. We have done so much ruin and embittering deeds that our bullshit pimpy press would never tell us about, that the only sane thing to do is get out and admit we are assholes. We are you know? I mean is that so hard to face up to. We are not God's sword of judgement. Seriously, if an individual thought of himself the way our nation is pumped the motherfucker'd be on meds and considered a meglomaniac. A few more individuals it'd be a cult. WHATRWE?

[Wolffanator]

We're an empire who's influence the way it has been is coming to an end. We're just another country, and arguable a good one in many ways, where we need some work in others, foreign policy of our government being at the top of the list.  That being said, if you fuck with us we're going to kill your ass dead, I'm all for killing the right people, The Al-Quida that planned 9/11 (it wasn't our government) lives in Pakistan now, they don't have a deep bench, the rest of them are teenage losers.

[distressed7]

All this from dude who cannot spell. Jeez. Man. It is Al-Qaeda. As far as teenagers and youths the average American's teenage years stretch well past retirement. Just look at your gang. Especially your military.

[Wolffanator]

I know I mispelled Al-Qada, I'm a worthless moron who can't spell anything. I won the second grade spelling B, by spelling Cornacopia, that's pretty good right? That's one of those corn basketts filled with fruit. But it's not "my gang" your descibing the Rush Limbaugh following fox news crowd which actually is a pretty small percentage of this country yet they've been controlling the agenda for a long time now. It doesn't reflect America as a whole, it reflects one part of it.

[Wolffanator]

While I totally agree theres bigger priorities than getting Osama Bin Laden and Iman Al Zawahiri's head's, I wouldn't say it won't accomplish anything, it's the right show of force if you ask me. If an individual does the crime the individual and those who supported him pay for it, just like Israel did with Munich, they didn't do an occupation they just hunted those bastards downed and killed their ass's dead.

[beancube2008]

I like it spells Al-CIA-da, it reflects the truth. Those mountain warriors were organized by our aggressive CIA and Zionists pissed.

I just can't swallow World Trade Center Bldg 7 burning down itself. The controlled fashion were all captured and they can serve repeatable data for scientific studies. It reflected that our constitutions can't protect us, our country collapsed. Wall St. crisis was just like some bugs flying over a dead body. Can't purge them unless removing the corp.

[megafr8nk]

McChrystal wasn't rebuked for his professional opinion. He was criticized for leaking it to the press to put political pressure on his commander-in-chief.

His proposals might have worked if they had been adopted from the start and OIF had never happened.

But where does he think the manpower will come from, right now? It's not like Obama can pull combat brigades out of his butt.

And in any case, 8 years of shock&awe have lost the war by now. Get out! Yesterday!

[OvernightDarkStory]

How long are they going to drag this war?

[distressed7]

The region has rhodium. However, to the north, there is the Caspian Sea's Baku Oil Fields. This is what it is all about. That vaunted pipeline from that oil rich region and a cheaper rental from a new Afghan region. They will be "better off" alright. Better off with a pipeline's assets the average Afghan will never see. The opium fields will open up again, and the US gov't's role as a CIA protected drug runner will re-open under new management. SEE: THE POLITICS OF HEROIN, by Prof. A. McCoy.

[wabdinur]

NATO didn't really dissect the Taliban. They don't know which group is fighting NATO because their tribe members were killed (revenge), which group is fighting to keep their opium trade alive (farmers +warlords), which group don't want foreign boots in Afghanistan (nationalistic), which group don't want Christians on their land but would welcome Muslim troops to stabilize Afghanistan (religious), which group is just bent on fighting Westerners on any ground (Jihadists). They can be separated.

[distressed7]

Sweat not. Our CIA and hallowed interest will re-open the Opium Fields of the Golden Crescent. The Taliban in early 2001 promised the UN that they would burn the opium fields for alternative agrarian assistance. By July 2001, they were burning fields. They then petitioned for UN membership. The US and Israel(lol) vetoed it. Then came 911. The Communists were burning down opium fields in the Golden Triangle. Boy. Our favorite hoods sure didn't like that., back in Nam. Hoods rule in the great U.S.

[qualityrkc]

I challenge everyone in this room to look up Mccrystals role in the coverup of Pat Tilmans death. This is the man we trust. This is about sustained warfare.Who starts talking about sending more troops 8 years in to a war?8 years and no ground gained...everyone knows this "war on terrorism" is absolutel bs and has had an adverse effect. In my opinion this was the original intention but the facts are al qaeda has GROWN since the inception of the "war on terror". NO END IN SIGHT

[HemiHead66]

Actually, Al Qaeda is not doing to well. Their money supply is cut off. The reports say their leadership is hiding in Pakistan. Now the Taliban is a different story. The more innocent people we kill, the more keep joining them. We are not wanted in Afghanistan. The people see it as an occupation.

[lenny380]

ISAF -This is being run by NATO now - not the US forces - don't think the US can do what it needs to do now.

[distressed7]

You have it backwards. We run NATO. Don't blame NATO. We still are the shining force behind the attempted global police state. The Taliban just figured us out. We will find out the hard way that China, Russia, and a host of nations hate our guts, and for good reason. We are EVIL. We pretentd to be good and we are run by world class CEO gangbangers whose bought out "patriotism" is intact as long as they do not do the fighting. Operation Paperclip's Nazis taught us alot.

[HemiHead66]

World class CEO gangbangers. I gotta remember that one.

[thudmother]

These stupid wars are meant to be sustained, not won or lost.

[Dealz1988]

You don't sustained a war, All things have to come to in end.

[distressed7]

Wisdom is simply put here. Thankyou. It is all about getting the oil, the opium, and making weapons contracts.

[adsfgfdhgsgjsdfg]

Does that soldier point his gun directly at the head of his fellow soldier? that doesnt seem right for some reason.

[kornolio13]

they should have employed that strategy and make friends with afghans in the beginning of the war, now it a little too late to convince a regular afghans that USA came to help after this war has killed so many civilians...

[djCASHmachine]

you cant increase afghan forces after years of bombing all of them, they dont want us there we screwed it all up. stupid pointless ass war. wow obama thats some change you got there, lets send more troops.

also the taliban used to burn the drug feilds, it is against their religion. since the us has been there opium production has gone up 13 fold.

[HemiHead66]

We don't even have a reason to be at war with the Taliban, other than that dumb-ass Bush calling for them to hand over Bin Laden for the events of 9,11. I got a real kick out of Bush saying he hasn't paid any attention to where Bin Laden was after sending us to war looking for him. Right now the Al Qaeda leadership is hold up in Pakistan, and Bin Laden isn't wanted for 9,11 anymore. Joe Biden got it right - weed out Al Qaeda in Pakistan, and leave the Taliban alone. They don't attack America.

[northwesten]

This where your so wrong and don't understand why we fighting the Taliban. They support the terror over the years and there pretty much good pals with each other. I think you need to look at history and clue your self up!

you and some other fucking lost it with some crazy crap that's for sure.

[HemiHead66]

Ah, you're so full of shit! When was the last time the Taliban plotted to attack the U.S.? Just because Al Qaeda happened to be training in the mountains of Afghanistan doesn't mean the Taliban are terrorists. And they're not even operating there now. The Reports say the Al Qaeda leadership are busted and broke hold up in Pakistan. That's why Joe Biden suggested concentrating on finishing them off. Shit - if we weren't protecting that stinking Israeli Gov. we wouldn't have trouble with Al Qaeda

[HemiHead66]

They want the Taliban out of the way for one reason - Caspian resources. What was the option that Bush gave them before this started - a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs? This whole thing stinks to high heaven - period!

[StinkingHombre]

The Taliban needs to be exterminated just because it's the right thing to do but if their are energy resources there in the form of natural gas then that's the bonus plan! Allahu a' Akbar~

[HemiHead66]

Yeah man, and we'll exterminate all the little kiddies that get in the way. Maybe vaporize a few more wedding party's. Fun - Fun - Fun! Sick-Fuck!

[StinkingHombre]

Exterminating the "little kiddies" and "vaporizing wedding party's" are both your ideas, I just want to see our guys win! What the fuck is your problem?

[HemiHead66]

No, they're not my ideas, those are things that are happening fighting this bullshit war. We have no reason being in a war with the Taliban. Bush started a war with the Taliban because he wanted them to fish out Bin Laden and hand him over for the events of 9,11. Then after Bush sent us to war looking for him he said he hasn't paid any attention to where is. He's not even wanted for 9,11 right now. Now you've got our soldiers and innocent people getting caught up in this shit and dying.

[StinkingHombre]

Send in a squadron of predator drones to the next wedding party!

[HemiHead66]

Oh, and the way you say if there's any oil and natural gas it's an added bonus. Like it's okay to just shoot'em up and steal their resources. There's going to come a time when the world says we've had enough of this shit, and we're the ones that are going to wined up paying. It's already starting with the scrapping of our currency.

[HemiHead66]

Ah, you're catching on. I knew you Camel Urine Salesman weren't all that bad. What does that job pay anyway? I've been out of work for a while and I'm looking for a new career...

[distressed7]

"War" hawds lost it & are the idiots who buy into this bullshit. You know what is really the truth here is that to take an alternative path on this means airheads like you have to think farther than the fart range of your posterior brain areas. You have been swallowing brain rot for so long your brain has been mistaken for shit and now resides in the intestinal areas. You view anyone who does not agree with your wonderful fascists as a "pain in the ass". That plausible. We give you a headache.

[HemiHead66]

If I'm not mistaken, I think this all boils down to the dollar. It's an oil currency war. They're trying to prevent (OPEC's) momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency. To do that they need to gain control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves. Something like this would've put it in their heads that 9,11 was justified. I think our country is in big trouble.

[northwesten]

LMAO! OMFG I laughing so fucking hard core over this. BS just to try and boost your small Epeen! If u going to talk BS then start linking proof. Oh let me guess I bet you have Views no facts.

So STFU and get a clue! omg I going to bed laughing at this comment.

[distressed7]

You're not laughing. You went to bed spewing. When it comes to your ilk, you just reverse what is stated and you get the truth.

[northwesten]

yer I bet you one of though people listen to there own answer machine because you love your own voice. All I got from you is your full of crap and no proof! to me you just owned your self!

enjoy the clouds

[distressed7]

Which post? The CIA opium connection and the UN back fire when the our old buddies the Mujahadeen/Taliban wanted to break their ties with our covert dope network and got shafted at the UN, by the wonderful US and loving Israel. That is documented in THE POLITICS OF HEROIN, Pof. of Middle Eastern Affairs A. McCoy, Univ. of WI. with a bibliography most Neocons probably could not handle. Stick to Jim Clancy.:) I cite more below.

[RedDelPaPa]

I think you need to get your head screwed on straight and understand that the CIA founded AL-CIA-duh. Al-CIA-duh is the middle eastern arm of the CIA. Ever wondered why they always stir up trouble right on time when the US corporate forces need an excuse to invade some country? What gives governments power over their people is the people not knowing the truth about the reasons behind their governments actions.

[WEREFEAT]

I wonder when the Obamabots are going to get the idea that He's just following the orders of the same controllers Bushes 1 and 2 followed. All they had to do is to change the skin color of the puppet, et voilà.

Does everyone still think that everyone should have the right to vote?

[RedDelPaPa]

Originally, only property owners could vote. People who had a stake in the outcome. I believe we should go back to that. There are way too many mindless, idiotic people out there casting votes who don't even know who the players are.

[MrDeppness]

This is a much better approach. We need to let the civilians know we are their friend and not there to hurt them, but to empower them and make them independent. Then we need to leave.

[RedDelPaPa]

The US corporate forces are not in Afghanistan to help the people in any way. They are there to take control of the countries resources, and install a puppet government to hold back the people from demanding use and benefit from their own resources. That is the sad truth.

[northwesten]

and what resources is that? sand? there fuck all there and this is a most retarded comment yet!

[RedDelPaPa]

You are super stupid. Far beyond just plain stupid.  How about OIL, OIL PIPELINES, and OPIUM POPPY just to name 3. PLUS it is a STRATEGIC LOCATION to move against other enemies like Russia, China, or Iran. Are you really super stupid? Or just making a strong case for it?

[distressed7]

Those assholes couldn't move against the mother in law of Putin. The USArmy got a near dose of Russia during their latest gangster in Georgia. I remember hearing of "dire consequences" the snarling dog Cheney. The USArmy left and the Russians did their necessary. Listen. The US only picks on 3rd world nations, and even then we suck. C'mon smile.

[Wolffanator]

For a guy who's so good at spelling you sure are over simplifying things a lot in a way to put down the U.S.A. Us only picks on 3rd world nations? Didn't Russia invade Afgahnistan too? Like we're the only ones who ever had an empire, it's the same old shit and it's not any different if it's Russia or U.S.A. doiing it, they'll both fail. Russia has it's own economy, corruption and blah, blah, blah to deal with though. I'll give you this, we suck. But so does pretty much everybody else.

[EmeterioBetances]

The news should report more on who will get the Oil from Iraq. How many have been OIL companies from Britain and other countries have there hand in Iraq Oil?

[WEREFEAT]

It's all about defending Israel, but you're also correct. There are many Americans who have no honor or justice inside them, and they think it's A-OK to attack a country and steal its oil.

In exchange, they get democracy and gay marriage.

[lonovik]

And that democracy too western controled where leader can't stay in power one day without western support.

[northwesten]

another ill informed moron! Get a RL check FFS