Mari song "Oj, joltašem" (Oh, my friend)

[Yulavy]

Dimuska, исправьте, пожалуйста, "тӱсЕтлан" и "ошоМ чие"

[dimuska]

Скажите, марийский язык Ваш родной?

[Yulavy]

@dimuska, да, я марийка

[kloiten]

А, спасибо. Я не заметил. Жалко, что нет больше слов..

[kloiten]

Здравствуйте! Где можно найти слова к этой чудесной песне? Спасибо!

[dimuska]

@kloiten Не знаю, но кое-что имеется в информации о видеоклипе.

[andres6868]

Beautiful song

[Dima100]

My mother was studying with him when I was a little kid. I remember him=)

[andres6868]

what a great song

[IdelUralState]

We all have common Altaian roots, but we mostly forgot each other ... :(

[Madera309]

Кунам чонетлан келша,чонетат куана!!!!!

[MySanim]

I found some Kazakh/Turkic words in Mari language.Very interesting did not even think that Maryi is related to Turks.

[tvpnbb]

@MySanim Perhaps it is, but there is no real evidence - likely it is just from borrowing. For example, Finnish has borrowed alot words from Swedish, but our language still is not related to Swedish.

[Ve1nard]

Ничего общего с татарским =)

[ahtamov]

на татарский похоже...

[GordonFreeMANness]

@ahtamov Многим алтайским (в особенности тюркским), также как и уральским, языкам присуще правило гармонии гласных, потому языки тебе и могли показаться схожими, но на самом деле это не так. Мари - финно-угры, и их язык принадлежит к уральской языковой семье, а не к индо-европейской.

[setunle]

Mari's such a lovely language. Are there good resources for learning it? Only found basic grammar and small vocab list on net

Thanks, setunle

BTW that means "I love you" in my language- you'll never guess which I bet!

[dimuska]

See the information of the video, there are some links :)

[wilsonsamm]

@setunle

If "setunle" means "I love you" in a language I'm guessing it's a Ugric language. Hungarian for example has the verb suffix "-lek" which means "I ... you" for example szeretlek is "I love you".

So... Khanty? Mansi?

[setunle]

No, it's not a Ugric language.

Se= I , tun=love, le= you

I'll give you numbers and see if that is a clue

1 ze 2 gel 3 noi 4 cy 5 dy 6 bek 7 mas 8 tol 9 up 10 lan.

c as in "cello" y is like a in "extra" (schwa)

Mai = hello, Gile? How are you?

Deti kos! Very well thanks!

Selat os le zadu lati = I think you're really clever

Zidar ezike palatse pale= all kinds of everything remind me of you

Mari ze ke zisa kum se lubanim = Mari is one of the mostbeautiful languages I have ever heard

[Dima100]

@setunle 1 ikot 2kokot 3kandash 4tengeche, 5vizyt

[dimuska]

@Dima100 1 ikyt, 2 kokyt, 3 kumyt, 4 nylyt, 5 vizyt, 6 kudyt, 7 shymyt, 8 kandashe, 9 indeshe, 10 lu.

[Dima100]

@dimuska Ну да) Просто я не знаю марийский хорошо. Очень плохо, а сам мариец)

[siconen75]

"jalkaisin"= "by feet", "walking" in finnish.

"jalka"= foot. "yalka"

We share the same path, to some extent......

[Glazagoluboisobaki]

Zholdas in Kazakh - friend also. Interesting, so similar to Turkic languages.

[Alexey6759]

That's because Mari language contains the greatest amount of Turkic loanwords, as I mentioned above. )) But Turkic-speaking person nevertheless wouldn't understand Mari language - it has different root and therefore different grammar, syntax, the most of verbs in basic vocabulary etc.

Would an English understand a hypothetical phrase "He dogovayet do stora i pocallayet?" All words except prepositions and conjunctions are English here (!), but I suppose he still wouldn't understand a thing. :)

[Glazagoluboisobaki]

Sure, I don't argue with that. I know that Mari language is a part of Finn-Ugric languages, therefore I was just surprised about the existence of common words.

[Alexey6759]

Well, no wonder. As I also said, even Slavic languages contain a noticeable amount of Turkic loanwords. You could examine such Russian words as "богатырь" (from ancient Turkic "ba'atur" - Kaz. "batyr"), "туман" (no comments - just a slight shift in meaning), "кулак" (from ancient Turkic "kulak"<-"kolak"<-"kol"), "боярин" (from either "bay" or "boyla"), "хозяин" ("hoja"), "кабан" (no comments at all) - and see that they're also of Turkic origin.=)

[TheHunnicHorseman]

Very close to Turkic languages.

Yoldaş (Turkish) as Joltaš in Mari means "friend" or "comrade"

It comes from the word "yol" (way) i guess. Joltaš literally means people who share the same way, called friend. =)))

-daş/-taş is used for common things between people. i dont think it comes from the word "jol" which means foot in Mari.

for example

yurt -> homeland; yurttaş is used for people who live in the same homeland, it also means citizen.

[blackmambafreak]

marin kieli on mielenkiintoinen xD nice song

[dimuska]

Kiitos!

[Siberyah]

a nice song..

[OrthoDogs]

go ural-altai brothers ! sizde minem yoldashlarimiz siniz !

[viharsarok]

Én ritkán érzek nemztei büszkeséget, de ezek a dalok kihozzák belőlem.

Go Finno-Ugric brothers!

[OrthoDogs]

anatolian turkish = oh, yuldashim

finno-ugric mari = oh, joltashem

[Alexey6759]

Joltash is a Turkic loanword in the Mari language. The language itself is still Finno-Ugric in synthaxis, grammar and the most of vocabulary. There are many Turkic loanwords even in the Russian language: khozyain (owner, from Turkic hoja), tuman (fog), khalat (some kinds of clothes), bashmak (shue or clog), kulak (fist) etc. Most of such words have come into Russian and Mari languages during the sway of the Golden Horde (XIII-XV centuries).

[OrthoDogs]

what is with the endings "im" and "em" ?

[dimuska]

These endings mean "my". Joltaš - friend, joltašem - my friend :)

[OrthoDogs]

its is like in the turkic language, we are using these endings too :)

[Alexey6759]

Some scientists even suppose that Indo-European, Altaic and Ural languages are all related

[stacyashford]

Пеш кугу тау эстон гыч!!!

[SashSegal]

What a sweet cat! Is the song about the cat (as a friend) ?

[dimuska]

No xD

But the cat is really sweet :)

[OgeLin]

This is superb, where do you find all these great Mari songs?

[dimuska]

Register at marisong{dot}ru and you'll be available to download Mari songs!

[kapsjel]

Who is talking in Mali language? ;/

[Dima100]

I can talk little bit, because i'a, half Mari

[admirerofvoguls]

ik, kok, kum, nöl, vics, kut, söm, kándás,

1,  2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,

indés, lu

9 10

Ezek a mari számok.A kiejtést fonetikusan írtam. Nem tudom hogyan kell cirill betűket gépelni, pedig már ismerem őket. Gondolom, valmi külön berendezés kell hozzá vagy külön program, nem tudom.. Órán így írtam le őket, gondoltam, hátha akad majd 1-2 ember, aki majd örül nekik.:)

[dimuska]

I am very glad you liked it :)

[admirerofvoguls]

This language is so beautyful!I love mari language!

[Qaraqurt]

but joltashem is from turkic?

[dimuska]

Joltašem means "my friend", joltaš (friend) is from "jol" - "leg, foot".

[Qaraqurt]

jol is way

[dimuska]

"yul" is way in Tatar! In Mari language "jol" means "leg" or "foot" :)

[vikinen]

There could be a common root with jalka (gen. jal-a-n) in finnish, couldn't it?

[dimuska]

Yes, it is a common root with jalka!

[Qaraqurt]

jol-tash-em is a loan from turkic/tatar

[dimuska]

This word is not connected with Mari word "joltaš"!

[amca1923]

in turkish "kol" -> "arm , leg for animal"

[amca1923]

in turkish "kol" -> "arm , leg for animal"

and in turkish's trıbe yoruk say "ayakdas" like "yoldas" ; "ayak" = "foot"

[ready4anyting]

kar - arm of a person in hungarian

[Lempi21]

Erdekes mari zene de alig hasonlit a magyarra :)

[golddragonfly]

Did I understand it correctly when you said that this sounds like Hungarian?

[Lempi21]

No , maybe who is not a Hungarian speaker Phonetic for them sons like Hungarian. But its fare away from Hungarian. But its a nice song.

[golddragonfly]

Super song and super cat :)

[dimuska]

You are right! :D

[kelomike]

Beautiful cat.

Did you know there is a village called Dima in the province of Bizkaia? Bizkaia maite...

[dimuska]

Now I know =) Gracias

[Duncanish41]

Is that your own cat?, you look after it well.

[dimuska]

No, that's not my cat, although I would like to have that cat :)

[granskare]

Singing men in Kostroma - Russia

I just saw this - a Novgorod vid. Four men singing who sound as if they are 40 men.

Great singing so you might check it out. Quite different from the tune of your vid here. We just got back from Alaska so several vids up for Ketchikan.

[DimaVal]

рахмат)))

[DimaVal]

Отлично))) Классная песенка))) а есь ещё Шакиров?

[dimuska]

Зарегистрируйтесь на сайте marisong ru и поищите. Там много марийских песен)) И Шакиров там тоже есть.

[granskare]

neat cat! 14erjohn has two black ones like this one. The male will chase after a crumpled piece of paper, play with it and then bring it to you to throw again. Kinda like a dog wanting to play "fetch:

mvh,