A person reading the bible in doubt want ever get the spiritual truth the word is for the believers and a person that dont study history bible and its reaction will never understand the words.
Everybody gets so serious in the comments, makes me sick, it's a joke. If you're shaken by this stuff you need to re-evaluate your walk with Jesus. And you know this guy doesn't really want the answers to these questions he just don't have anything better to do with his life! ooooooh you big sinner, you drink beer ooooh
Can you say resentment? How can you be mad at a God that don't exist. You can deny it all you want ya sissy. suck it up. ooooh I'm gonna prove the bible wrong booo hooo. Oh don't worry about turning Christians against God, It was prophesied a couple of thousand years ago therefore it 's gonna happen and it's happening now. It's the last church age before crap breaks loose here and I'm out. King- Heathen? Don't kill me, you look like a wuss. You can't sport that name.
Gen 2:24 starts out with the word "Therefore", so all anyone has to do is look up the meaning of that word and you'll have your answer. I used merriam-webster, but take your pick.
@InternetDarkLord You ever hear of dictionaries, lexicons such as Thayers or here on the internet at BlueLetterBible(dot)com your computer can translate any language to another. Like when you were in high school and learning a foreign one, like spanish or french. To make things easier, a man named James Strong did one using only the Hebrew & Greek words from the texts written in Hebrew and Greek so you would'nt have to have a complete dictionary from those countries. Hope this helps. Peace2Ya
@JimmyCarol100 My point is, if you are arguing over one single word, one should look at the original Hebrew word. It might not have the exact meaning that the English one has.
@InternetDarkLord I'm not arguing over anything, I'm probably like you-I wanted to see copies of the transcript so I could see how ancient writing in Hebrew looks, and although the word in the bible for Therefore in english looks like this= ken and pronounced=kan(cane) if you go to Blueletterbible(dot)com you can see how it looks spelled out in the hebrew. BTW I don't belong to any church myself. Peace
He's not talking about Adam , Abraham did leave them so did I you know what read more and dont take it out of context it says no one was tilling the ground not there was no man. Oh and Gods day is as a thousand years
The first 2 chapters of Genesis are 2 completely different stories. Try to write all 56 verses in chronological order some day. Job 38-42 gives another story, which pops up again in Psalms and Isaiah.
My seven yr old daughter asked the other day, "If I were God...you know, the one from that one book?...& I created Adam & Eve, I would have made them afraid of snakes."
the story of creation is false you can't have the earth made before the sun that alone should tell u this story is false
how can god make the sun on the 4th day when the sun is the head of the solar system without the sun 1st u can't have planets not the other way around
were was the earth orbiting if there was no sun before the 4th day this story is false just like when they believe the earth was flat...how can grass,fruits,herbs be made on the 3rd day then the sun on the 4th day
Genesis isn't supposed to be a scientific proof text of how the universe was made. It's a creation STORY. Only the majority of non Catholics take it to be all true. Some of them go as far as to deny evolution because of how Genesis is [mis]interpreted by them. Now that's ignorance and nonsense.
The Hebrew Scribes took Babylonian myth stories and put them into Genesis. Checkout Enumah Elish, Adapa and the South Wind and Gilgamesh. The Old Testament is a man-made book. The Hebrew Scribes took a page from Hammurabi. Hammurabi, the Babylonian king, said he got his 282 laws from the Sun god, Shamash. And Moses said he got his laws from the God of Israel.
People devour all the fantasies, and miss the basic principles of life. And the powers that be just love the constant confusion this creates, because It's a great tool to create wars and suppression
I personally believe in God. For me, It's just a feeling that some greater energy exist around us, because as far back as we can go the belief was there. Most of it was the connection that we have with everything that exist. But all these religious books are basically harry potter-like stories
I ask this question of all people who make same statement as you...You believe in god but you do not trust religious books and you refer to them as fairy tales.So,how would you have known about god if there was no bible or religion?Are you aware of the fact that yor god was pushed down peoples throats with violence and murder?No religion =no god.
@KingHeathen I don't know if you've looked at the NI Version of the Bible. "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” They removed the part where it says "for in the day that thou eatest thereof."
Interesting video. I'm not sure where to start. I think it's safe to say that Adam and Eve had parents. They indeed had belly buttons.
When Genesis says God breathed into Adam, it's refering to the Holy Spirit-the neurological capability to contemplate whether to follow the demands of a God, or not!
Not O2 literally forced into his deflated lungs. The Holy Spirit can also be known as eternal soul/ one that can be judged on merit rather than instinct.
well kingheathen, the thing was that adam and eve would not be able to go to heaven if they ate the fruit. that was the whole point of jesus going to the limbo when he died and free all the casper ghosts
this raises my questions about it: if god could see the future, why wait so long if he was going to forgive anyway, why did he need a child to undo what HE caused, and how could people claim this with such confidence if there were no human witnesses to it?!!!
KingHeathen: in response to your question "is the 6th day or the 8th day?" if you would read the whole passage i guess you would see in chp. 2 verse 4 (i have the NIV but it translates the same): This is the account of the Heavens and the Earth when they were created. Verse 4 makes what chapter 2 mean that it is accounting or recalling what happened in chapter 1. And as for your "contradiction" of Chp. 2 Verse 24: This is written from moses and is written to the people.
Most of your complaints are answered by understanding these as two unique stories that truly tell of creation from the standpoint of multiple layers of relationship. See comment on Gen 1 film for general concept.
As for "in the day... thou shalt surely die," Hebrew does not say "in that day" (as you do) but "b'yom" = in a day. Several translations render this term "when" as it is often used in ref. to general timeframes rather than specific days. It may not carry the specificity you imply.
@IshMelamaid Yeah...not buying it. It makes no sense for God to make such an empty and pointless threat. Meanwhile, if it DID mean "in that day" it DOES make sense for him to make such a threat. That's probably why they translated it that way, huh?
What's there to buy? The Hebrew doesn't say what you are saying. There is no definite article ("the") and no demonstrative pronoun ("that").
Also, telling someone they wll die, whatever the time frame, is no empty threat. And it wasn't. They did die, and lived a difficult life before hand as a result of their actions.
@IshMelamaid OK...tell ya what, You get every Biblical scholar to agree with your translation and convince them to reword the Bible based on your interpretation and then I will concede the new version.
Nah, that's not very fair...how about just a majority? No...how about you convince ANY Biblical scholar versed in Hebrew that your interpretation is correct that doesn't already think that.
Again, it was translated this way OVER AND OVER for a reason.
Formal equivalent translations offer "in the day" to keep the form of the expression "b'yom" (in + day). Translations more focused on meaning render it as you see above, which offer a more general expression consistent with the lack of definite article and/or demonstrative pronoun. I could examine some critical commentaries if you like, or are the above translations enough
@IshMelamaid I don't care what you do...but I'm not convinced and I doubt any other person familiar with the language, the writings, and the history of that book will be either. So, I gave you your task. You can do it or choose not to, but you've exhausted your argument and I find it hollow.
You seem to speak as though you've studied Hebrew. How would you clearly say "In that same day," in biblical Hebrew? Because that's not what we see here. We DO see it in Gen 30.35, Ge. 33.16, Gen 48.20, etc. Here the text emphasizes action performed on THAT day. But, we don't see the same in Gen 2.17. My only argument is that you are placing emphasis where the Hebrew lingusitcally does not. A small point, I grant you, but do you concede the grammar?
@IshMelamaid I already said and will make it abundantly clear now...WE ARE DONE HERE until you try what I suggested. Feel free to try some of the other videos of mine, but I'm not interested in continuing here as you have displayed an empty understanding of the material and instead appear to be just another person quoting sites on the internet with no real training on the material.
Very well. But, I have provided specific information concerning the text as found in he original language. I have documented grammar nuances and briefly examined usage of related expressions elsewhere in the text. You, sir, have offered no textual data and have rather offered only opinion and a nonesensical challenge. I didn't expect you'd agree with me, but you didn't exactly show and abiity to challenge me concerning the language. Care to show your skill?
@IshMelamaid I will end your bullshit here by answering "Yes I can." I WILL NOT, however, indulge you any further as you aren't willing to reciprocate. This ends our conversation until you follow through with my request.
So my question is the same and I have maybe thousands of questions regarding all these contradictions in the bible, I would recommend for you to take a look at a book called URANTIA, things are better explained there including the birth of this planet, in the section called (The history of urantia), yet again my belief is that we were created by super advanced alien intelligence, experiments in a test-tube,
I think all answers are about to be answered as we aproach 21-12-2012.
This book is an interpretation of the original text. You are questioning the interpretation of King James , not God. There is NO time frame specified after the earth's creation, or between Adam & Eve.
The fruit of the Tree of Life is a metaphor for ORAL SEX and the human body symbolizes the Tree of Life. The apple story is a lie, as apples do not grow in Africa. Both Adam & Eve were Africans because the oldest human fossils were found in East Africa. Adam did not have a mother or father so this passage applies to his seeds (us). Yes God can see the future & knew that Adam was going to sin. "Thou shall surely die" means a "spiritual death" followed by a physical one. Hope that helps.
@KingHeathen Not trying to impress you, but rather show you were you're logically wrong for the sake of enlightenment, that's all. I don't know what you've heard so I don't know if my points will be redundant or not, but whatever I say will be truth.
@MistaVega that all sounds great, but you haven't made any point therefore you haven't shown me anything...and I doubt that you will. Nor do I doubt that you will say anything that I haven't already heard and rebutted before.
It is common knowledge to all true christians that god recreated himself as his little baby son on earth so that he could grow up and commit suicide so he could pay our debt for our sins to himself therefore saving us from his punishment.
The serpent in the garden is not an earthly creature - it is a supernatural creature and there is footage of it - they are the fiery flying serpents sometimes seen in places like S. FLA . Men were made on the sixth day, but they were not The Man, Ha Adam (with Hebrew article). Ha Adam was not available in the garden area to till the field and he is apart from other men created on the sixth day. He is different. Also Adam and Eve died because the fruit is the ego- the dead selfcentered nature
Hell, it's really sad that I watched 12 videos of yours KingHeathen and people just keep thumbs downing your videos just because you're an atheist I mean how stupid are people?!!?!??!
@PhazonIsAwesome The reason is the same as you already suggested. They don't like that atheists are exposing the errors of their religion and instead of responding with intelligent rebuttals, they just try to censor the videos by voting them down so they don't show as high in search results.
@KingHeathen NSC put out a new vid about the tree of knowlege, its short but it makes a good point regarding how god really did fuck us over in genesis is true you should check it out
So I guess my answer is, God didn't give man a test to fail, they failed it themselves, because they chose to fail. But God gave them a way to overcome their failure.and if they still fail, it's because they chose to fail, it's not like God didn't give them a way to succeed, He gave them Christ. 1 Cor 10:13, Nothing happens to you that you aren't able to endure, but will allow a way for youto escape and to overcome it. That's if you follow God. This world's no step for a stepper. It's simple
Got to go back to the Hebrew Manuscripts if you are to Understand 1:26 when it mentions 'adam, it's without the article, so it just means mankind. God told some to hunt, and some to fish( think Paleolithic) And when we get to Genesis 2:7 in the Hebrew it has Adam with the Article and particle, and it's very specific, eth Ha' Adam, the man Adam. And he made him a husbandman, or a farmer( think neolithic.) Adam and Eve were not the first people created.
@colvo115 It's an interesting approach and I've seen it before...but like the rest of these types of apologetics, it doesn't fit the context of the story!
Not to mention you run into other problems depending on what positions you hold regarding other things like "original sin" or more simply "Then why did God punish everyone else for what Eve did?"
@KingHeathen Well let me ask you something, do you know any race or people that is perfect? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. If Satan could get Adam and Eve to sin, who were to be the father and mother of God's chosen people, I'm pretty sure he could get the other races and people to do so as well. YOu might say why is Eve called the mother of living? Well look at Luke 3. Eve is the mother of Christ. And Christ is life, and in him is the light of men.
@colvo115 And being that this is the case (Satan convincing people to do bad things) Then why didn't God stop Satan? Where did Satan come from? Did God MAKE Satan? Why would he do that?
BTW, I don't know any species of bird that is perfect either...does that make them sinful too? And while we are at it, why did God make us to inferior to begin with?
@KingHeathen Yes God created Satan. In fact Satan was once God's protecting Cherub( Eze 28:13, 14). As you know there are two cherubs protecting the mercy seat. (Ex 25.18) Satan once was one (who was other? most likely Michael), until he wanted to sit on the mercy seat, and took 1/3 of God's children with him.( Rev. 12:4) When was Satan God's Protecting Cherub? Before the catabole( or overthrow). It's a diverse and complicated subject, and I can't explain it all in 500 characters.
@colvo115 I understand that 500 characters makes it tough...but why did you spend them all talking about something irrelevant? I'm fully aware of Satan's back story. What I'm asking is WHY would an omniscient being, who would know what Satan was going to do create someone like that? Why wouldn't God STOP him? Destroy him? Whatever? Why would he just let this guy (and I love that you call him a cherub) tempt his creation?
God didn't create Satan evil. You could say that God might have foreknew that Satan would turn bad, but I don't know if he knew that or not. He created Satan Perfect, he was perfect in beauty, and full of wisdom( wiser than daniel). It was Satan's own will to lift up his heart in Pride. Because God doesn't create zombies. He can't force anyone to love him. He lets us make up our own mind. Whether we will follow evil( Satan) or God. But in Christ we have power over Satan- Luke 10:19
@colvo115 If Satan was "perfect"...could he become bad? Can something "perfect" make a mistake? And you still haven't answered "Why didn't he STOP HIM!?" If God felt the need to intervene in human battles to give Moses powers to win a war by holding up his staff or making the sun stand still (geocentrism fail!), why not interfere with Satan? And why would Satan torture us in Hell for not following God? You'd think he'd appreciate that part.
Satan right now is in heaven in chains, held by Michael. Rev 12:9 As our his angels Jude 6. Hell or the lake of fire isn't created until rev 20:10, and that isn't until Christ returns and after his 1000 year reign. Yes there is a holding place for those who haven't been saved Lk 16:23. But everyone that isn't saved in this age, will have the oppurtunity in the millenium when Christ is here de facto.
The Lake of fire is something that blots one's soul out of existence.
@KingHeathen Angelic beings could sin 2nd Peter 2:4. Just as Adam and Eve who were also created perfect, in the flesh that is, and they sinned as well.
How did Satan sin if he was perfect. As Christ Said, when we die, we are like the angels in heaven. Let us( God and his children) make man in our image( let's make man as we look here) We have emotions here, we have emotions there. Satan's sin was pride( which was an emotion) and then came jelousy( another emotion). He tried to make himself God and the rest is history. Why didn't God stop him before he sinned, because God doesn't interfere until the sin has been committed like with Eve & Cain.
I want to explain the gap theory of Genesis 1:1, and 1:2. I want to tell you that every soul existed before he was made in the flesh. God uses Satan to test his children to see who truly loves him, and won't start another mess like he did. He could easily just destroy Satan, yes. And he will, but it's hard for him to kill 1/3 of his children with him. He wants to try and save those that rebelled with him. He only wants those he can trust in the eternity so he doesn't have another Satan.
@colvo115 God doesn't NEED to test anyone to know who he can "trust"....he's supposed to be OMNISCIENT!!!!!! Right? He'd ALREADY KNOW who he could trust!
@KingHeathen God may know the outcome, but still he needs to give every one the oppurtunity so they can't cry foul, saying you didn't give us a fair chance. As it is written 2 peter 3:9. God is longsuffering, not willing any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. God gives everyone every oppurtunity He can, so when it comes to the final judgement they have no excuse, and his eye won't spare, neither will he have pity when they go into the Lake of fire.
@colvo115 So a teacher can give a test to her students she KNOWS they will fail because she didn't teach it and then it's the STUDENT'S fault for not passing? This is how you see the concept of "omnipotence?" See, to me, if I KNOW that someone isn't going to pass a test and I WANT them to pass the test....then I need to EQUIP THEM to pass the test...not just sit back and wait it all out.
And again... PERFECT people DO NOT MAKE bad choices. If you make a bad choice...you AREN'T PERFECT!
@KingHeathen And how has not God equipped people to pass a simple test as believing int he son of god? John 3:16 is salvation in a nutshell. It's not a hard test. God equipped his students with 66 books, (including the aporcypha if they want to go that deep) God even came down as a human for crying out loud and taught his subjects as one of them Hebrews 2:14. It's not like God doesn't exhaust all measures. But he doesn't interfere with freewill. He gives you and I, and everyone else a choice.
@colvo115 You are missing the point...God is omniscient, right? That means he knows everything start to finish. Now, imagine that I give you a test asking you what color my jacket is. You are going to get the answer wrong unless you get lucky. So I show you a picture. Now, perhaps you forgot what you saw. As an OMNISCIENT GOD I would already know that. I want you to get this answer right...So do I ask you now or show you the picture again so that you will remember?
@KingHeathen How did a simple comment about Christ being the Light in Genesis 1:3 and and adam and eve not being the first people lead to all this jabber about freewill and Satan's creation, and fall, and all this other non-sense. I will never know.
@colvo115 It's pretty simple...If you are a teacher and you know without a doubt that your student doesn't know the answer to a test that you absolutely want him to get right...do you review the information again to get him to understand or do you test him anyway knowing he will fail. This is about as basic as I can get it. Reread the comments if you must. It's not complicated at all...if you still don't understand it after that, then perhaps you just aren't able to have this discussion.
You can't fail someone just because you know they would fail or else the blame would be on you, instead of the person because you never gave them a chance. If you were a teacher, and you had bad student, you would try to help that student. So you hook him up with a tutor. Also youwould take extra time out of your day, and teach him yourself, but at the end of the day, after you exausted all measures, and the student still fails, it wasn't the teacher's fault, it was the student's fault.
@colvo115 OK...so what you are side steppingly saying is that the teacher must do what is necessary to teach it. GREAT...AGREED...now let's look at what God did...
God gives us this "test of faith"...yet doesn't give us enough evidence to study. Doesn't do enough to let us know he's there. He is like the teacher who showed up for the first day of class and handed you your final. GOOD LUCK!
YOu ever heard of the Holy Spirit? You most likely have, but never received it, or else you wouldn't be an atheist. It's not imaginary, or just a ''feeling'', it's an actual presence. It's as real as the five senses. It's real as a physical touch, but it's God's presence warming your heart, and enlightening your mind. For Our God is a consuming fire. He consumes your heart and opens up your mind to the truth of the spiritual realm. . Once received, it's all the evidence one would ever need.
@colvo115 Yes, I had the "receive the holy spirit" experience that you think you had too. It's an ILLUSION brought on by chemical reactions in your brain which are induced by what boils down to "wishful thinking" for lack of a better term. So, you know that feeling you got/get? I want you to pay attention to the feeling you get when you hear a powerful musical piece or watch a touching movie. I think you'll notice something similar in that.
Sorry, I'm not a pie in the sky type of person, I don't believe in illusions. I believe in reality. No what you experienced was pablum, because you never took the time to dig deep and seek God and find him in truth. I'm sorry but you've never received the Spirit. Because it's as real as someone punching you in the face. I know a lot of people claim to have the spirit, but there are a lot liars in Christianity, because Satan does far more damage behind a pulpit than he does anywhere else.
Okay you received the spirit, which means God revealed himself indefinitely inside of you to where you couldn't possibly have any doubt whatsoever about God's Existence. It means you could feel God's spirit dwelling inside of you; and then you go and completely turn around and deny God's existence? Doesn't add up. How could you deny something that you know 100% exists? which is what the Spirit does, it reveals the heart and mind of God. It's not a trifle, it's the real deal.
@colvo115 No...I "received" the spirit, which means that my brain set off a chemical reaction causing me to THINK that God's spirit was within me.
See, you are basing your entire outlook on the idea that God is real...now, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING...if God WEREN'T real, could the same events you experienced happen? The answer is yes and it's been proven by neurology.
You make me laugh. I know what you think, you think I go to a church with my arms in the air, saying,* " Praise the Spirit, it's working strong in me today!"* When that's not the case. This is intimate, something you couldn't possibly mistake for anything else. And no if God didn't exist, I couldn't receive this, or even feel this. You wouldn't mistake a punch in the face for a chemical reaction in the brain. But if it makes feel comfortable rationalizing it, have at it.
@colvo115 Do you know what it sounds like you are talking about? "True love"...you know...people say it all the time..."when it happens, you'll just know!" Yet people claim to be in "true love" and then split up saying "It must NOT have been "true love" because we split up. OR merely what happens is that the reality of incompatibility sets in or someone makes a mistake and it causes the end of the relationship. It doesn't mean you didn't love them before
The Spirit is available to anyone and everyone who has faith and knowledge in God. Romans 1:20, 21 states that God has revealed his Godhead and power unto men, but it's men who hold it in suppression by their lack of faith and unrighteousness. They won't let God in so to speak. But without faith it is impossible to please God (and I'll add know God.) For the Just shall live by faith.
It's not when you'll know, it's if you'll know. All it takes is trust, faith and knowledge in God.
@KingHeathen God's Love is not man's love, it's not fickle. As it written I will never leave thee nor forsake thee. It is true man can turn his back on God, but God is the same yesterday, today and forever, he's there always. And I don't care if you buy or not, after all I'm not your judge.
@colvo115 Actually, for something that never existed, how could he be there?
Besides, when your book says that the world is flat, the world is 6,000 years old, and humans lived to be 900 years old, the only fool is those who believe that there is a god or these stories would be true. "The Bible" isn't a book written by God, it's written by man, and the idea of God to exist is out of the question because anybody with a brain would be askin more questions about your theory that god exists.
Like I said, you were fed pablum. How do I know, because I know what the majority of churches teach. They teach delusion, in order to sucker in its patrons to give up their money. It's called in the bible the error of Balaam. You mistakingly think I'm talking about what they teach, when I'm talking about Dunamis. This Spirit draws enemies on both sides of deception, One from the false teachers and false doctrine, and one from the people who are driven away by their hypocrisy and falsehood.
I thought I already made it clear it was The Holy Spirit which separates it from the rest. There's only one God, and I think all three major religions recognize that. If God's Spirit comes upon you and reveals himself unto you, that's the right belief system. And it's not a demoniation, it's you either are, or you are not, anything else is just traditions of men. like I said Christ is not divided, which is what Denomination means, division.
@colvo115 And I thought I made it clear...YOU make these claims and other people make the SAME claims yet I'm supposed to believe you while YOU tell ME that THEY aren't the "real" Christians. Unless you can produce something concrete...don't bother replying. We are going in circles at this point.
@colvo115 We atheists HAVE ALSO MADE IT CLEAR that you religious christians or religious people are ruinning the lives of others. Why? Because you don't understand what you are talking about anybody like me who uses logic anfd common sense can tell you that if god was there then we smart people wouldn't be atheists but because many people like Thomas Edison and the founding fathers never would have made famous quotes about how they hate the fact of what religion does to people like you.
"Because you don't understand what you are talking about anybody like me who uses logic anfd common sense can tell you that if god was there then we smart people wouldn't be atheists''
I thank thee father, that thou has hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revelaed them unto mere babes.
You realize when Christ said, I give you POWER over your enemies, that power in the Greek means dunamis. Which is were we get dynamite. Now dynamite is powerful and explosive, so is the Spirit. But it's also tender, and kind, and it completely transforms a person from the inside out. As Samuel Said to Saul: The Spirit of God will come upon thee, and you shall be turned into a new man. It came to pass that God gave him a new heart. That type of transformation changes you forever.
You realize when Christ said, I give you POWER over your enemies, that power in the Greek means dunamis. Which is were we get dynamite. Now dynamite is powerful and explosive, so is the Spirit. But it's also tender, and kind, and it completely transforms a person from the inside out. As Samuel Said to Saul: The Spirit of God will come upon thee, and you shall be turned into a new man. It came to pass that God gave him a new heart. That type of transformation changes you forever.
Read Ezekiel 3:17- 21. God said to Ezekiel, If you don't warn them and they sin, they shall die in their sins, but he would place the blame on Ezekiel becaus he didn't warn them, and gave them a chance to repent. God is giving man a chance here in the flesh, and he's giving us sound warning through the prophets and the apostles, therefore even though he may know wholl fail or succeed before he made them, at the end of it all, it would be the individual's fault for refusing God, not God's fault
God knows evrething, he knows when is the end of days of every one, and the end of the world he knows all. Why he create a garden of eden and put adan and eve in a garden when he knows that the devil in snake form will make them fail. Why god ever create a angel lucifer that he knows that he will be the devil and destroy us .... i don`t understand.
God knows evrething, he knows when is the end of days of every one and the end of the world. Why he create a garden of eden and put adan and eve in a garden when he knows that the devil in snake form will make them fail. Why god ever create a angel lucifer that he knows that he will be the devil.... i don`t understand.
In the day ye eat of it ye shall die! A day is as a 1,000 years to God. Adam live 930 years- 1,000=1 day - he never made it in Gods time! 70years left - 70 years are determined upon thy people for the fullfillment - 70 years are left for the "adam" to carry out that day. People have lied to us the meaning of these words/ They have made up ridiculous stories to mask the truth. People who think there was a snake, apple & tree have never studied & have only know what they have been taught by others
"So, the Sabbath...God said that was to last for "a day" also. So are we to take 1000 years off from doing any work?"
What a great reply! Short & sweet & clears up any confusion about how long a day was. Besides, it wouldn't have made any sense 4 god to say, or mean; "if U eat of this tree, in a thousand years you'll die!"
Hey, that'd be fine with me, and likely any other average person! I think a thousand years is more than enough time in this life...in any life for that matter!
I have been watching a few of your vids, you are very entertaining and interesting and you have made some points that I have never thought about before.
Why, it's simplicity itself! The bible was written by idiots. That is how Adam knew about fathers and mothers without having any knowledge of such things.
You and I have discussed things on your other videos. You know that I am a christian and study the Bible. I love watching your videos. You do crack me up! I would like to address a couple of things but I need to llok up first. But one, Adam was made after day 7. Many people think that the 6 day creation is the same as creation of Adam and Eve. You do bring up the point about a man leaving a father and mother when Adam did not have conventional parents. Never thought of that. I'll be back
@jimu57 every body comes with his own interpretation, how to decide who right and who's wrong ? How can the bible be considered a reliable book inspired by god if everybody isn't convinced at first read.
Why would he have inspired a book wich need to be decrypted, and how confident we must be to the one explaining it to us.
That means that god's message isn't clear enough to get all of people to accept it, that means it's not form god... case closed...
as god can see and heir paste, present and future he knows what you said and what every one else has said and still put the shit in the bible and don it any way what a smart basterd he is lol but realy there is no point in trying to decode the bible we know well the logico people know that it is a hole load of shi
We are living in the Sabbath right now. We observe it daily, remember that the New Testament says that we are to be praying always, in the same way, the Sabbath (God's rest) is going on right now.
As for a proper day to go to Church, Sunday since it's the first day of the week seems to be the most logical. Of course there is other reasons for Sunday being chosen.
I have. I use a parallel Bible that has KJV and NIV side by side. NIV has omitted some verses that were in the original manuscripts. Also, I use a Strongs concordance with Greek and Hebrew dictionary to research the original meaning of words. The NIV has no concordance that does that. The NIV problems begins with the corruption of the translators. Maybe you need to do some research. I have done a lot.
Sure it mentions unicorns. 6 times. You know that context? It isnt referring to the pretty white horse looking thing with a spiral horn that is told in fairy tails. he unicorn from Hebrew is a wild bull, most likely a rhinocerous.
Yes there were addition, moves, and deletions with the KJV was written from the original manuscripts. It had to so that it can be translated and readable. But it hasnt been changed since. Its the closest to the original text we can get.
I missed this post. The NKJV is not a translation that I would suggest, just as the others I would not suggest. Just the KJV. When the original manuscripts were written, there are a lot of things that were called different from what we call them today. Some of that is because of the translation of Hebrew and Greek to English. Some simply because some things did not have fixed names but were called by their appearance or actions such as the bat (flying) being in the category of birds.
Anyone can say that about anything then. If the text changes I just declare that it's not the real version...use the old one. Now ALL books "never change."
Not sure if the translators knew what a rhino was or not. That animal has 5 species that are in African and south Asia. Hard to tell. Seems like I remember reading that there was an animal called a wild bull that existed back then and had somewhat a horn on the head. Probably a rhino of somewhat. Even if they has seen one, they would have called it something else because the name rhinoceros would not have been coined yet.
Translating is difficult if you come across writing of something you have never seen before or completely foreign to you. You have to put things in your frame of reference. Just like Ezekiel in the first chapter of Ezekiel talking about flying vehicles.
LO> Yeah, it see,s like that. But then, 400 years ago when King James' guys were translating and writing, who knows what they were thinking. I am not sure if the mythlogical unicorn was something they were thinking of or not or if it was just a common word back for an unknown animal with a horn protrusion from its head. Whatever their reason, we both know they were not talking the fairy tale version that everyone knows of.
sorry...but I'm not buying it. It seems way too unlikely to me that they would have used unicorn and not just describe a "horned beast" instead unless that's really what they thought it was since the concept of a unicorn was well-known well before the KJV was written.
I understand. I am simply referring Strongs concordance when looking up things like this. That and my common sense knowing that there is no unicorn as depicted in fairy tales leaves me with that explanation. Not a really good translation, I know.
i don't think God had a choice in in telling us that we have a choice. God's hand was forced. Ours isn't.
If God never put the tree there then Satan would be like: "fuck you God, its a paradox if they do evil and don't know about it, so make em' know about it; otherwise neither of us will get credit for our respective alignments."
much like a bear does not get credit for killing a fish.
The only major problem that I have with these 2 fictional biblical characters is the gullibility and ignorance that is revealed in the minds of the fundies who believe they are literally historical human beings who actually lived at one time. Amazing isn't it? Someone once said to never underestimate the power of stupid people in very large groups.
it is true that this prophecy is partly directed to the king of tyrus because like satan he also was proud and deceitful the ultimate woe and lament is towards the devil. like in Mark 5:1-14 Jesus spoke directly to the legions of demons and in Mark 8:33 directly to satan when influencing peter.
also if u read on from vrs 14 it says he was and anoited cherub, no man is a cherub except the angels like satan was.
in vrse 15 it says 'thou was perfec in thy ways frm the day thou was created till iniquity was found in thee.\this mean that this being was created (not born perfect) and that ca only apply to Adam, Eve, Satan or he demons and not an earthly king. Like all humanbeings the king was 'shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin' ps 51:5.
now regarding ezekiel 28:13, if u read the verse above you would see that it was a lament regarding the king of tyrus propbably ittobaal the second. however unlike historical narrative like genesis it contains figurative language. Like psalm 22, is not only describing davids troubles and how he felt but also Christ death 1000 yrs later.
ezekiel 28:13 states that this being was in eden thegarden of God and from genesis we know it was only adam eve and primarily the serpent.
main issue at hand. There's many egregious contradictions that demand
to do some critical thinking and sensible
answers, but what some of you do is to quote the bible and you think that in doing so the problem is resolved. Everything is smoothly squared away. When someone wishes to believe something no rationalization is too far fetched.
But when it comes to marriage between man and woman, because they knew already from their ancestors and traditions that a man marries a woman it was a common practice. However even then some people did engage in homosexuality behavior (Gen 19). What Moses simply did through God's inspiration is to give the reason as to why marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Keeping the Sabbath hadnt been done by anyone else before that day. Because Moses wrote the Book of Genesis through God's Inspiration he also put in the reasons why some commandments where made in genesis. Commandments God gave him.
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JUST GO TO SEMINARY SHOOL, THEN MAYBE YOU WILL LEARN SOMETHING
angelawright70 2 months ago
A person reading the bible in doubt want ever get the spiritual truth the word is for the believers and a person that dont study history bible and its reaction will never understand the words.
angelawright70 2 months ago
Everybody gets so serious in the comments, makes me sick, it's a joke. If you're shaken by this stuff you need to re-evaluate your walk with Jesus. And you know this guy doesn't really want the answers to these questions he just don't have anything better to do with his life! ooooooh you big sinner, you drink beer ooooh
888goingup 2 months ago
@888goingup Are you 5 years old?
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
Can you say resentment? How can you be mad at a God that don't exist. You can deny it all you want ya sissy. suck it up. ooooh I'm gonna prove the bible wrong booo hooo. Oh don't worry about turning Christians against God, It was prophesied a couple of thousand years ago therefore it 's gonna happen and it's happening now. It's the last church age before crap breaks loose here and I'm out. King- Heathen? Don't kill me, you look like a wuss. You can't sport that name.
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Sounds like you are smarter than God. Do you take worship or just offerings?
messianicreformer 7 months ago
Gen 2:24 starts out with the word "Therefore", so all anyone has to do is look up the meaning of that word and you'll have your answer. I used merriam-webster, but take your pick.
JimmyCarol100 8 months ago
@JimmyCarol100 Except this little story was written in Hebrew.
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
@InternetDarkLord You ever hear of dictionaries, lexicons such as Thayers or here on the internet at BlueLetterBible(dot)com your computer can translate any language to another. Like when you were in high school and learning a foreign one, like spanish or french. To make things easier, a man named James Strong did one using only the Hebrew & Greek words from the texts written in Hebrew and Greek so you would'nt have to have a complete dictionary from those countries. Hope this helps. Peace2Ya
JimmyCarol100 8 months ago
@JimmyCarol100 My point is, if you are arguing over one single word, one should look at the original Hebrew word. It might not have the exact meaning that the English one has.
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
@InternetDarkLord I'm not arguing over anything, I'm probably like you-I wanted to see copies of the transcript so I could see how ancient writing in Hebrew looks, and although the word in the bible for Therefore in english looks like this= ken and pronounced=kan(cane) if you go to Blueletterbible(dot)com you can see how it looks spelled out in the hebrew. BTW I don't belong to any church myself. Peace
JimmyCarol100 8 months ago
@JimmyCarol100 Google "The Biblical Hebrew Portal." It sounds like you might be interested in the Hebrew-English gloss section.
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
Get a new bible I don't think king James was authorized that's why it says it is authorized.
mischellewright69 8 months ago
He's not talking about Adam , Abraham did leave them so did I you know what read more and dont take it out of context it says no one was tilling the ground not there was no man. Oh and Gods day is as a thousand years
mischellewright69 8 months ago
Read the whole bible die means go astray, and the rib stands for a clean thin spotless without the cardinal dirt
mischellewright69 8 months ago
The Mormons have an answer. They believe in a female counterpart to God, though few mormons believe a literal genesis story.
Hereticbooks 10 months ago
The first 2 chapters of Genesis are 2 completely different stories. Try to write all 56 verses in chronological order some day. Job 38-42 gives another story, which pops up again in Psalms and Isaiah.
InternetDarkLord 10 months ago
My seven yr old daughter asked the other day, "If I were God...you know, the one from that one book?...& I created Adam & Eve, I would have made them afraid of snakes."
'nuff said, eh? XD
SeekerKC 10 months ago
the story of creation is false you can't have the earth made before the sun that alone should tell u this story is false
how can god make the sun on the 4th day when the sun is the head of the solar system without the sun 1st u can't have planets not the other way around
were was the earth orbiting if there was no sun before the 4th day this story is false just like when they believe the earth was flat...how can grass,fruits,herbs be made on the 3rd day then the sun on the 4th day
NONESENSE
selahshalom120 10 months ago
@selahshalom120
Genesis isn't supposed to be a scientific proof text of how the universe was made. It's a creation STORY. Only the majority of non Catholics take it to be all true. Some of them go as far as to deny evolution because of how Genesis is [mis]interpreted by them. Now that's ignorance and nonsense.
jskansga 10 months ago
@jskansga LOL !
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jskansga 1 year ago
Why would the first human require a sex if it wasn't invented yet?
wachnathan 1 year ago
Reminds me of Bioshock :)
ChuriAMVids 1 year ago
The Hebrew Scribes took Babylonian myth stories and put them into Genesis. Checkout Enumah Elish, Adapa and the South Wind and Gilgamesh. The Old Testament is a man-made book. The Hebrew Scribes took a page from Hammurabi. Hammurabi, the Babylonian king, said he got his 282 laws from the Sun god, Shamash. And Moses said he got his laws from the God of Israel.
freedomfighterone 1 year ago
Flawless victory! I love your humor lol
superballsification 1 year ago
People devour all the fantasies, and miss the basic principles of life. And the powers that be just love the constant confusion this creates, because It's a great tool to create wars and suppression
MrJLabbe 1 year ago
I personally believe in God. For me, It's just a feeling that some greater energy exist around us, because as far back as we can go the belief was there. Most of it was the connection that we have with everything that exist. But all these religious books are basically harry potter-like stories
MrJLabbe 1 year ago
@MrJLabbe
I ask this question of all people who make same statement as you...You believe in god but you do not trust religious books and you refer to them as fairy tales.So,how would you have known about god if there was no bible or religion?Are you aware of the fact that yor god was pushed down peoples throats with violence and murder?No religion =no god.
eoriol1955 1 year ago
@MrJLabbe As far back as we can go the belief of racial superiority has been there too.
KingHeathen 1 year ago 4
@MrJLabbe, good answer, i can respect that answer
TRVY9 10 months ago
@MrJLabbe, good answer, i can respect that answer
TRVY9 10 months ago
@KingHeathen I don't know if you've looked at the NI Version of the Bible. "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” They removed the part where it says "for in the day that thou eatest thereof."
Evolution of the Bible, perhaps? lol
emptysea2000 1 year ago
Continued: This is just moses using Adam and Eve as an example to the people of the earth saying: leave your parents and find a wife.
sbullerbuller12 1 year ago
@sbullerbuller12 Correct me if I'm wrong...but it sounds like you just said that Moses made that part up!
KingHeathen 1 year ago 2
@KingHeathen
Interesting video. I'm not sure where to start. I think it's safe to say that Adam and Eve had parents. They indeed had belly buttons.
When Genesis says God breathed into Adam, it's refering to the Holy Spirit-the neurological capability to contemplate whether to follow the demands of a God, or not!
Not O2 literally forced into his deflated lungs. The Holy Spirit can also be known as eternal soul/ one that can be judged on merit rather than instinct.
jskansga 11 months ago
@KingHeathen
well kingheathen, the thing was that adam and eve would not be able to go to heaven if they ate the fruit. that was the whole point of jesus going to the limbo when he died and free all the casper ghosts
this raises my questions about it: if god could see the future, why wait so long if he was going to forgive anyway, why did he need a child to undo what HE caused, and how could people claim this with such confidence if there were no human witnesses to it?!!!
infernalone666 1 month ago in playlist Debunking Genesis
KingHeathen: in response to your question "is the 6th day or the 8th day?" if you would read the whole passage i guess you would see in chp. 2 verse 4 (i have the NIV but it translates the same): This is the account of the Heavens and the Earth when they were created. Verse 4 makes what chapter 2 mean that it is accounting or recalling what happened in chapter 1. And as for your "contradiction" of Chp. 2 Verse 24: This is written from moses and is written to the people.
sbullerbuller12 1 year ago
and all humans...man and women....WE ALL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF RIBS!!!
another lie,and most people don't even look that up of simple biology to prove to themselves.....IT'S A LIE AND FAIRY TAILS!!!
chucka59 1 year ago
It is talking about why God created man. It took a step back, as it says in verse 4. Try again.
bloopdogful 1 year ago
Most of your complaints are answered by understanding these as two unique stories that truly tell of creation from the standpoint of multiple layers of relationship. See comment on Gen 1 film for general concept.
As for "in the day... thou shalt surely die," Hebrew does not say "in that day" (as you do) but "b'yom" = in a day. Several translations render this term "when" as it is often used in ref. to general timeframes rather than specific days. It may not carry the specificity you imply.
IshMelamaid 1 year ago
@IshMelamaid Yeah...not buying it. It makes no sense for God to make such an empty and pointless threat. Meanwhile, if it DID mean "in that day" it DOES make sense for him to make such a threat. That's probably why they translated it that way, huh?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen
What's there to buy? The Hebrew doesn't say what you are saying. There is no definite article ("the") and no demonstrative pronoun ("that").
Also, telling someone they wll die, whatever the time frame, is no empty threat. And it wasn't. They did die, and lived a difficult life before hand as a result of their actions.
IshMelamaid 1 year ago
@IshMelamaid OK...tell ya what, You get every Biblical scholar to agree with your translation and convince them to reword the Bible based on your interpretation and then I will concede the new version.
Nah, that's not very fair...how about just a majority? No...how about you convince ANY Biblical scholar versed in Hebrew that your interpretation is correct that doesn't already think that.
Again, it was translated this way OVER AND OVER for a reason.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen
NIV/TNIV: "when you eat of it"
NET: "when you eat from it"
NLT: "if you eat its fruit"
Formal equivalent translations offer "in the day" to keep the form of the expression "b'yom" (in + day). Translations more focused on meaning render it as you see above, which offer a more general expression consistent with the lack of definite article and/or demonstrative pronoun. I could examine some critical commentaries if you like, or are the above translations enough
IshMelamaid 1 year ago
@IshMelamaid I don't care what you do...but I'm not convinced and I doubt any other person familiar with the language, the writings, and the history of that book will be either. So, I gave you your task. You can do it or choose not to, but you've exhausted your argument and I find it hollow.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen
You seem to speak as though you've studied Hebrew. How would you clearly say "In that same day," in biblical Hebrew? Because that's not what we see here. We DO see it in Gen 30.35, Ge. 33.16, Gen 48.20, etc. Here the text emphasizes action performed on THAT day. But, we don't see the same in Gen 2.17. My only argument is that you are placing emphasis where the Hebrew lingusitcally does not. A small point, I grant you, but do you concede the grammar?
IshMelamaid 1 year ago
@IshMelamaid I already said and will make it abundantly clear now...WE ARE DONE HERE until you try what I suggested. Feel free to try some of the other videos of mine, but I'm not interested in continuing here as you have displayed an empty understanding of the material and instead appear to be just another person quoting sites on the internet with no real training on the material.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Very well. But, I have provided specific information concerning the text as found in he original language. I have documented grammar nuances and briefly examined usage of related expressions elsewhere in the text. You, sir, have offered no textual data and have rather offered only opinion and a nonesensical challenge. I didn't expect you'd agree with me, but you didn't exactly show and abiity to challenge me concerning the language. Care to show your skill?
אם תוכל לקרא הדברים האלה דבר כן
IshMelamaid 1 year ago
@IshMelamaid I will end your bullshit here by answering "Yes I can." I WILL NOT, however, indulge you any further as you aren't willing to reciprocate. This ends our conversation until you follow through with my request.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen
Fair enough.
IshMelamaid 1 year ago
So my question is the same and I have maybe thousands of questions regarding all these contradictions in the bible, I would recommend for you to take a look at a book called URANTIA, things are better explained there including the birth of this planet, in the section called (The history of urantia), yet again my belief is that we were created by super advanced alien intelligence, experiments in a test-tube,
I think all answers are about to be answered as we aproach 21-12-2012.
TheOssy74 1 year ago
@TheOssy74 Interesting...check back with me on the 22nd and let me know what answers you got.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
HEY...might have the answer to that question you have trouble with....
We are made in gods image right?
well here's my theory....:
God is a man
,and Satan/Lucifer/devil, is the wife
they got a divorce and now their fighting for their children......lmao
chucka59 1 year ago
This book is an interpretation of the original text. You are questioning the interpretation of King James , not God. There is NO time frame specified after the earth's creation, or between Adam & Eve.
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 OK....then which interpretation would you prefer to use? Because ALL of them say "and the evening and the morning was the _____ day"
KingHeathen 1 year ago
The fruit of the Tree of Life is a metaphor for ORAL SEX and the human body symbolizes the Tree of Life. The apple story is a lie, as apples do not grow in Africa. Both Adam & Eve were Africans because the oldest human fossils were found in East Africa. Adam did not have a mother or father so this passage applies to his seeds (us). Yes God can see the future & knew that Adam was going to sin. "Thou shall surely die" means a "spiritual death" followed by a physical one. Hope that helps.
raptor9162 1 year ago
I can debunk this, let me know if you want an explanation and I'll make one for you.
MistaVega 1 year ago
@MistaVega You can do whatever you like. I will only be impressed if you say something that I haven't already heard 100 times.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Not trying to impress you, but rather show you were you're logically wrong for the sake of enlightenment, that's all. I don't know what you've heard so I don't know if my points will be redundant or not, but whatever I say will be truth.
MistaVega 1 year ago
@MistaVega that all sounds great, but you haven't made any point therefore you haven't shown me anything...and I doubt that you will. Nor do I doubt that you will say anything that I haven't already heard and rebutted before.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
It is common knowledge to all true christians that god recreated himself as his little baby son on earth so that he could grow up and commit suicide so he could pay our debt for our sins to himself therefore saving us from his punishment.
kick08ful 1 year ago
Funny, I live in S Florida ,and I've never seen a fiery flying serpent.(even on acid)
...It could be because they don't fucking exist.
DrZilty 1 year ago
What is this BS? No "Hey, Heathens" toast?
Selectedmarksman 1 year ago
@Selectedmarksman This was a video back when I first started making videos...before the toast became a fixture.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Damn votebots...
TheAlaricPetz 1 year ago
The serpent in the garden is not an earthly creature - it is a supernatural creature and there is footage of it - they are the fiery flying serpents sometimes seen in places like S. FLA . Men were made on the sixth day, but they were not The Man, Ha Adam (with Hebrew article). Ha Adam was not available in the garden area to till the field and he is apart from other men created on the sixth day. He is different. Also Adam and Eve died because the fruit is the ego- the dead selfcentered nature
Masonictoaster9 1 year ago
@Masonictoaster9 "fiery" flying serpents, huh.....ok.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@Masonictoaster9 what?
chyrd 1 year ago
@Masonictoaster9 why dont you tell that to creationists, they accept the snake transitional fossils but denie the others, its annoying and pathetic
blazereef 1 year ago
Hell, it's really sad that I watched 12 videos of yours KingHeathen and people just keep thumbs downing your videos just because you're an atheist I mean how stupid are people?!!?!??!
PhazonIsAwesome 1 year ago
@PhazonIsAwesome If it makes you feel any better, the vast majority of the negative votes are the result of votebots.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Votebots? Why did they target your video I'm seriously thinking why not all those other bad videos on youtube. O_o
PhazonIsAwesome 1 year ago
@PhazonIsAwesome The reason is the same as you already suggested. They don't like that atheists are exposing the errors of their religion and instead of responding with intelligent rebuttals, they just try to censor the videos by voting them down so they don't show as high in search results.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen NSC put out a new vid about the tree of knowlege, its short but it makes a good point regarding how god really did fuck us over in genesis is true you should check it out
blazereef 1 year ago
So I guess my answer is, God didn't give man a test to fail, they failed it themselves, because they chose to fail. But God gave them a way to overcome their failure.and if they still fail, it's because they chose to fail, it's not like God didn't give them a way to succeed, He gave them Christ. 1 Cor 10:13, Nothing happens to you that you aren't able to endure, but will allow a way for youto escape and to overcome it. That's if you follow God. This world's no step for a stepper. It's simple
colvo115 1 year ago
Got to go back to the Hebrew Manuscripts if you are to Understand 1:26 when it mentions 'adam, it's without the article, so it just means mankind. God told some to hunt, and some to fish( think Paleolithic) And when we get to Genesis 2:7 in the Hebrew it has Adam with the Article and particle, and it's very specific, eth Ha' Adam, the man Adam. And he made him a husbandman, or a farmer( think neolithic.) Adam and Eve were not the first people created.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 It's an interesting approach and I've seen it before...but like the rest of these types of apologetics, it doesn't fit the context of the story!
Not to mention you run into other problems depending on what positions you hold regarding other things like "original sin" or more simply "Then why did God punish everyone else for what Eve did?"
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Well let me ask you something, do you know any race or people that is perfect? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. If Satan could get Adam and Eve to sin, who were to be the father and mother of God's chosen people, I'm pretty sure he could get the other races and people to do so as well. YOu might say why is Eve called the mother of living? Well look at Luke 3. Eve is the mother of Christ. And Christ is life, and in him is the light of men.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 And being that this is the case (Satan convincing people to do bad things) Then why didn't God stop Satan? Where did Satan come from? Did God MAKE Satan? Why would he do that?
BTW, I don't know any species of bird that is perfect either...does that make them sinful too? And while we are at it, why did God make us to inferior to begin with?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Yes God created Satan. In fact Satan was once God's protecting Cherub( Eze 28:13, 14). As you know there are two cherubs protecting the mercy seat. (Ex 25.18) Satan once was one (who was other? most likely Michael), until he wanted to sit on the mercy seat, and took 1/3 of God's children with him.( Rev. 12:4) When was Satan God's Protecting Cherub? Before the catabole( or overthrow). It's a diverse and complicated subject, and I can't explain it all in 500 characters.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 I understand that 500 characters makes it tough...but why did you spend them all talking about something irrelevant? I'm fully aware of Satan's back story. What I'm asking is WHY would an omniscient being, who would know what Satan was going to do create someone like that? Why wouldn't God STOP him? Destroy him? Whatever? Why would he just let this guy (and I love that you call him a cherub) tempt his creation?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
God didn't create Satan evil. You could say that God might have foreknew that Satan would turn bad, but I don't know if he knew that or not. He created Satan Perfect, he was perfect in beauty, and full of wisdom( wiser than daniel). It was Satan's own will to lift up his heart in Pride. Because God doesn't create zombies. He can't force anyone to love him. He lets us make up our own mind. Whether we will follow evil( Satan) or God. But in Christ we have power over Satan- Luke 10:19
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 If Satan was "perfect"...could he become bad? Can something "perfect" make a mistake? And you still haven't answered "Why didn't he STOP HIM!?" If God felt the need to intervene in human battles to give Moses powers to win a war by holding up his staff or making the sun stand still (geocentrism fail!), why not interfere with Satan? And why would Satan torture us in Hell for not following God? You'd think he'd appreciate that part.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Satan right now is in heaven in chains, held by Michael. Rev 12:9 As our his angels Jude 6. Hell or the lake of fire isn't created until rev 20:10, and that isn't until Christ returns and after his 1000 year reign. Yes there is a holding place for those who haven't been saved Lk 16:23. But everyone that isn't saved in this age, will have the oppurtunity in the millenium when Christ is here de facto.
The Lake of fire is something that blots one's soul out of existence.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 You never addressed the issue of a "perfect" being becoming "not perfect".
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Angelic beings could sin 2nd Peter 2:4. Just as Adam and Eve who were also created perfect, in the flesh that is, and they sinned as well.
colvo115 1 year ago
How did Satan sin if he was perfect. As Christ Said, when we die, we are like the angels in heaven. Let us( God and his children) make man in our image( let's make man as we look here) We have emotions here, we have emotions there. Satan's sin was pride( which was an emotion) and then came jelousy( another emotion). He tried to make himself God and the rest is history. Why didn't God stop him before he sinned, because God doesn't interfere until the sin has been committed like with Eve & Cain.
colvo115 1 year ago
I want to explain the gap theory of Genesis 1:1, and 1:2. I want to tell you that every soul existed before he was made in the flesh. God uses Satan to test his children to see who truly loves him, and won't start another mess like he did. He could easily just destroy Satan, yes. And he will, but it's hard for him to kill 1/3 of his children with him. He wants to try and save those that rebelled with him. He only wants those he can trust in the eternity so he doesn't have another Satan.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 God doesn't NEED to test anyone to know who he can "trust"....he's supposed to be OMNISCIENT!!!!!! Right? He'd ALREADY KNOW who he could trust!
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen God may know the outcome, but still he needs to give every one the oppurtunity so they can't cry foul, saying you didn't give us a fair chance. As it is written 2 peter 3:9. God is longsuffering, not willing any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. God gives everyone every oppurtunity He can, so when it comes to the final judgement they have no excuse, and his eye won't spare, neither will he have pity when they go into the Lake of fire.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 So a teacher can give a test to her students she KNOWS they will fail because she didn't teach it and then it's the STUDENT'S fault for not passing? This is how you see the concept of "omnipotence?" See, to me, if I KNOW that someone isn't going to pass a test and I WANT them to pass the test....then I need to EQUIP THEM to pass the test...not just sit back and wait it all out.
And again... PERFECT people DO NOT MAKE bad choices. If you make a bad choice...you AREN'T PERFECT!
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen And how has not God equipped people to pass a simple test as believing int he son of god? John 3:16 is salvation in a nutshell. It's not a hard test. God equipped his students with 66 books, (including the aporcypha if they want to go that deep) God even came down as a human for crying out loud and taught his subjects as one of them Hebrews 2:14. It's not like God doesn't exhaust all measures. But he doesn't interfere with freewill. He gives you and I, and everyone else a choice.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 You are missing the point...God is omniscient, right? That means he knows everything start to finish. Now, imagine that I give you a test asking you what color my jacket is. You are going to get the answer wrong unless you get lucky. So I show you a picture. Now, perhaps you forgot what you saw. As an OMNISCIENT GOD I would already know that. I want you to get this answer right...So do I ask you now or show you the picture again so that you will remember?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen ?
colvo115 1 year ago
@KingHeathen How did a simple comment about Christ being the Light in Genesis 1:3 and and adam and eve not being the first people lead to all this jabber about freewill and Satan's creation, and fall, and all this other non-sense. I will never know.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 You didn't answer the question.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Well clarify the question. Are you saying God purposedly sets up to fail? I didn't quite understand the question.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 It's pretty simple...If you are a teacher and you know without a doubt that your student doesn't know the answer to a test that you absolutely want him to get right...do you review the information again to get him to understand or do you test him anyway knowing he will fail. This is about as basic as I can get it. Reread the comments if you must. It's not complicated at all...if you still don't understand it after that, then perhaps you just aren't able to have this discussion.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
You can't fail someone just because you know they would fail or else the blame would be on you, instead of the person because you never gave them a chance. If you were a teacher, and you had bad student, you would try to help that student. So you hook him up with a tutor. Also youwould take extra time out of your day, and teach him yourself, but at the end of the day, after you exausted all measures, and the student still fails, it wasn't the teacher's fault, it was the student's fault.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 OK...so what you are side steppingly saying is that the teacher must do what is necessary to teach it. GREAT...AGREED...now let's look at what God did...
God gives us this "test of faith"...yet doesn't give us enough evidence to study. Doesn't do enough to let us know he's there. He is like the teacher who showed up for the first day of class and handed you your final. GOOD LUCK!
KingHeathen 1 year ago
YOu ever heard of the Holy Spirit? You most likely have, but never received it, or else you wouldn't be an atheist. It's not imaginary, or just a ''feeling'', it's an actual presence. It's as real as the five senses. It's real as a physical touch, but it's God's presence warming your heart, and enlightening your mind. For Our God is a consuming fire. He consumes your heart and opens up your mind to the truth of the spiritual realm. . Once received, it's all the evidence one would ever need.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 Yes, I had the "receive the holy spirit" experience that you think you had too. It's an ILLUSION brought on by chemical reactions in your brain which are induced by what boils down to "wishful thinking" for lack of a better term. So, you know that feeling you got/get? I want you to pay attention to the feeling you get when you hear a powerful musical piece or watch a touching movie. I think you'll notice something similar in that.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Sorry, I'm not a pie in the sky type of person, I don't believe in illusions. I believe in reality. No what you experienced was pablum, because you never took the time to dig deep and seek God and find him in truth. I'm sorry but you've never received the Spirit. Because it's as real as someone punching you in the face. I know a lot of people claim to have the spirit, but there are a lot liars in Christianity, because Satan does far more damage behind a pulpit than he does anywhere else.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 Right...because YOU were there and I WASN'T....that explains how YOU know what happened and I DON'T. Please get over yourself.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Okay you received the spirit, which means God revealed himself indefinitely inside of you to where you couldn't possibly have any doubt whatsoever about God's Existence. It means you could feel God's spirit dwelling inside of you; and then you go and completely turn around and deny God's existence? Doesn't add up. How could you deny something that you know 100% exists? which is what the Spirit does, it reveals the heart and mind of God. It's not a trifle, it's the real deal.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 No...I "received" the spirit, which means that my brain set off a chemical reaction causing me to THINK that God's spirit was within me.
See, you are basing your entire outlook on the idea that God is real...now, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING...if God WEREN'T real, could the same events you experienced happen? The answer is yes and it's been proven by neurology.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
You make me laugh. I know what you think, you think I go to a church with my arms in the air, saying,* " Praise the Spirit, it's working strong in me today!"* When that's not the case. This is intimate, something you couldn't possibly mistake for anything else. And no if God didn't exist, I couldn't receive this, or even feel this. You wouldn't mistake a punch in the face for a chemical reaction in the brain. But if it makes feel comfortable rationalizing it, have at it.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 Do you know what it sounds like you are talking about? "True love"...you know...people say it all the time..."when it happens, you'll just know!" Yet people claim to be in "true love" and then split up saying "It must NOT have been "true love" because we split up. OR merely what happens is that the reality of incompatibility sets in or someone makes a mistake and it causes the end of the relationship. It doesn't mean you didn't love them before
KingHeathen 1 year ago
The Spirit is available to anyone and everyone who has faith and knowledge in God. Romans 1:20, 21 states that God has revealed his Godhead and power unto men, but it's men who hold it in suppression by their lack of faith and unrighteousness. They won't let God in so to speak. But without faith it is impossible to please God (and I'll add know God.) For the Just shall live by faith.
It's not when you'll know, it's if you'll know. All it takes is trust, faith and knowledge in God.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 Yeah...still not buying it. And you're still not getting it.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen God's Love is not man's love, it's not fickle. As it written I will never leave thee nor forsake thee. It is true man can turn his back on God, but God is the same yesterday, today and forever, he's there always. And I don't care if you buy or not, after all I'm not your judge.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 Actually, for something that never existed, how could he be there?
Besides, when your book says that the world is flat, the world is 6,000 years old, and humans lived to be 900 years old, the only fool is those who believe that there is a god or these stories would be true. "The Bible" isn't a book written by God, it's written by man, and the idea of God to exist is out of the question because anybody with a brain would be askin more questions about your theory that god exists.
PhazonIsAwesome 1 year ago
Like I said, you were fed pablum. How do I know, because I know what the majority of churches teach. They teach delusion, in order to sucker in its patrons to give up their money. It's called in the bible the error of Balaam. You mistakingly think I'm talking about what they teach, when I'm talking about Dunamis. This Spirit draws enemies on both sides of deception, One from the false teachers and false doctrine, and one from the people who are driven away by their hypocrisy and falsehood.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 I see...so all religions and other denominations are fake...except yours. How convenient.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Not a religion, a reality, for God is not a religion, but a living breathing entity. I serve Christ, and Christ is not divided.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 the other religions and denominations would say the SAME THING! What makes you any better?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
I thought I already made it clear it was The Holy Spirit which separates it from the rest. There's only one God, and I think all three major religions recognize that. If God's Spirit comes upon you and reveals himself unto you, that's the right belief system. And it's not a demoniation, it's you either are, or you are not, anything else is just traditions of men. like I said Christ is not divided, which is what Denomination means, division.
colvo115 1 year ago
@colvo115 And I thought I made it clear...YOU make these claims and other people make the SAME claims yet I'm supposed to believe you while YOU tell ME that THEY aren't the "real" Christians. Unless you can produce something concrete...don't bother replying. We are going in circles at this point.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@colvo115 We atheists HAVE ALSO MADE IT CLEAR that you religious christians or religious people are ruinning the lives of others. Why? Because you don't understand what you are talking about anybody like me who uses logic anfd common sense can tell you that if god was there then we smart people wouldn't be atheists but because many people like Thomas Edison and the founding fathers never would have made famous quotes about how they hate the fact of what religion does to people like you.
PhazonIsAwesome 1 year ago
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"Because you don't understand what you are talking about anybody like me who uses logic anfd common sense can tell you that if god was there then we smart people wouldn't be atheists''
I thank thee father, that thou has hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revelaed them unto mere babes.
Out of mouths babes, thou hast perfected praise.
colvo115 1 year ago
You realize when Christ said, I give you POWER over your enemies, that power in the Greek means dunamis. Which is were we get dynamite. Now dynamite is powerful and explosive, so is the Spirit. But it's also tender, and kind, and it completely transforms a person from the inside out. As Samuel Said to Saul: The Spirit of God will come upon thee, and you shall be turned into a new man. It came to pass that God gave him a new heart. That type of transformation changes you forever.
colvo115 1 year ago
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You realize when Christ said, I give you POWER over your enemies, that power in the Greek means dunamis. Which is were we get dynamite. Now dynamite is powerful and explosive, so is the Spirit. But it's also tender, and kind, and it completely transforms a person from the inside out. As Samuel Said to Saul: The Spirit of God will come upon thee, and you shall be turned into a new man. It came to pass that God gave him a new heart. That type of transformation changes you forever.
colvo115 1 year ago
Read Ezekiel 3:17- 21. God said to Ezekiel, If you don't warn them and they sin, they shall die in their sins, but he would place the blame on Ezekiel becaus he didn't warn them, and gave them a chance to repent. God is giving man a chance here in the flesh, and he's giving us sound warning through the prophets and the apostles, therefore even though he may know wholl fail or succeed before he made them, at the end of it all, it would be the individual's fault for refusing God, not God's fault
colvo115 1 year ago
God knows evrething, he knows when is the end of days of every one, and the end of the world he knows all. Why he create a garden of eden and put adan and eve in a garden when he knows that the devil in snake form will make them fail. Why god ever create a angel lucifer that he knows that he will be the devil and destroy us .... i don`t understand.
D12BLADE 1 year ago
God knows evrething, he knows when is the end of days of every one and the end of the world. Why he create a garden of eden and put adan and eve in a garden when he knows that the devil in snake form will make them fail. Why god ever create a angel lucifer that he knows that he will be the devil.... i don`t understand.
D12BLADE 1 year ago
In the day ye eat of it ye shall die! A day is as a 1,000 years to God. Adam live 930 years- 1,000=1 day - he never made it in Gods time! 70years left - 70 years are determined upon thy people for the fullfillment - 70 years are left for the "adam" to carry out that day. People have lied to us the meaning of these words/ They have made up ridiculous stories to mask the truth. People who think there was a snake, apple & tree have never studied & have only know what they have been taught by others
SPLENOROUS 1 year ago
So, the Sabbath...God said that was to last for "a day" also. So are we to take 1000 years off from doing any work?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen
"So, the Sabbath...God said that was to last for "a day" also. So are we to take 1000 years off from doing any work?"
What a great reply! Short & sweet & clears up any confusion about how long a day was. Besides, it wouldn't have made any sense 4 god to say, or mean; "if U eat of this tree, in a thousand years you'll die!"
Hey, that'd be fine with me, and likely any other average person! I think a thousand years is more than enough time in this life...in any life for that matter!
Cootabux 1 year ago
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Acrimonator 1 year ago
I have been watching a few of your vids, you are very entertaining and interesting and you have made some points that I have never thought about before.
ShaneChiswick 1 year ago
Why, it's simplicity itself! The bible was written by idiots. That is how Adam knew about fathers and mothers without having any knowledge of such things.
NosLycn 1 year ago
You and I have discussed things on your other videos. You know that I am a christian and study the Bible. I love watching your videos. You do crack me up! I would like to address a couple of things but I need to llok up first. But one, Adam was made after day 7. Many people think that the 6 day creation is the same as creation of Adam and Eve. You do bring up the point about a man leaving a father and mother when Adam did not have conventional parents. Never thought of that. I'll be back
jimu57 1 year ago
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@jimu57 every body comes with his own interpretation, how to decide who right and who's wrong ? How can the bible be considered a reliable book inspired by god if everybody isn't convinced at first read.
Why would he have inspired a book wich need to be decrypted, and how confident we must be to the one explaining it to us.
That means that god's message isn't clear enough to get all of people to accept it, that means it's not form god... case closed...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
as god can see and heir paste, present and future he knows what you said and what every one else has said and still put the shit in the bible and don it any way what a smart basterd he is lol but realy there is no point in trying to decode the bible we know well the logico people know that it is a hole load of shi
bryan40k 2 years ago
When you look at the word day in Genesis, you must take the context.
We are all living in the seventh day right now, so yes Adam did die in THAT day.
smartwarlord 2 years ago
RIIIIIIGHT....so we should be celebrating the Sabbath EVERYDAY then?
KingHeathen 2 years ago
We are living in the Sabbath right now. We observe it daily, remember that the New Testament says that we are to be praying always, in the same way, the Sabbath (God's rest) is going on right now.
As for a proper day to go to Church, Sunday since it's the first day of the week seems to be the most logical. Of course there is other reasons for Sunday being chosen.
On the 8th day will be the New Creation.
Read Revelation
kthxbai
smartwarlord 2 years ago
So no one should be doing any work at all, any day...great plan. I'm glad the rest of the world doesn't agree with you. We'd all starve to death.
Sunday was chosen to appease the sun worshipers that were already worshiping on Sunday. The Jewish/Christian Sabbath is supposed to be on Saturday.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
@smartwarlord how considering some text that didnt make it in the text? and considering why it didn't make it in the text?
valsotto27 2 years ago
try the niv. better to read n understand. P
MaryStewart 2 years ago
NIV has errors
jimu57 1 year ago
@jimu57 lol! if it does, it has less than the inferiour kjv! do some research.
MaryStewart 1 year ago
I have. I use a parallel Bible that has KJV and NIV side by side. NIV has omitted some verses that were in the original manuscripts. Also, I use a Strongs concordance with Greek and Hebrew dictionary to research the original meaning of words. The NIV has no concordance that does that. The NIV problems begins with the corruption of the translators. Maybe you need to do some research. I have done a lot.
jimu57 1 year ago
Jim, the KJV did the exact same thing. Lines were added, moved, and deleted. Not to mention that it talks about unicorns.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Sure it mentions unicorns. 6 times. You know that context? It isnt referring to the pretty white horse looking thing with a spiral horn that is told in fairy tails. he unicorn from Hebrew is a wild bull, most likely a rhinocerous.
Yes there were addition, moves, and deletions with the KJV was written from the original manuscripts. It had to so that it can be translated and readable. But it hasnt been changed since. Its the closest to the original text we can get.
jimu57 1 year ago
It hasn't been changed since? Really? Could you then explain to me what the NEW King James Version is?
And why didn't they SAY rhinoceros instead of unicorns if that is what they meant? Did the King not KNOW what a rhino was?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
I missed this post. The NKJV is not a translation that I would suggest, just as the others I would not suggest. Just the KJV. When the original manuscripts were written, there are a lot of things that were called different from what we call them today. Some of that is because of the translation of Hebrew and Greek to English. Some simply because some things did not have fixed names but were called by their appearance or actions such as the bat (flying) being in the category of birds.
jimu57 1 year ago
The King didnt do any of the translation anyway. He just put up the cash to have it done.
jimu57 1 year ago
Ok, so let me rephrase it then...
Did the TRANSLATORS not know what a rhino was?
On changing texts again...
Anyone can say that about anything then. If the text changes I just declare that it's not the real version...use the old one. Now ALL books "never change."
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Not sure if the translators knew what a rhino was or not. That animal has 5 species that are in African and south Asia. Hard to tell. Seems like I remember reading that there was an animal called a wild bull that existed back then and had somewhat a horn on the head. Probably a rhino of somewhat. Even if they has seen one, they would have called it something else because the name rhinoceros would not have been coined yet.
jimu57 1 year ago
Translating is difficult if you come across writing of something you have never seen before or completely foreign to you. You have to put things in your frame of reference. Just like Ezekiel in the first chapter of Ezekiel talking about flying vehicles.
jimu57 1 year ago
So with nothing else to call it...they went with UNICORN! Right.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
LO> Yeah, it see,s like that. But then, 400 years ago when King James' guys were translating and writing, who knows what they were thinking. I am not sure if the mythlogical unicorn was something they were thinking of or not or if it was just a common word back for an unknown animal with a horn protrusion from its head. Whatever their reason, we both know they were not talking the fairy tale version that everyone knows of.
jimu57 1 year ago
sorry...but I'm not buying it. It seems way too unlikely to me that they would have used unicorn and not just describe a "horned beast" instead unless that's really what they thought it was since the concept of a unicorn was well-known well before the KJV was written.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
I understand. I am simply referring Strongs concordance when looking up things like this. That and my common sense knowing that there is no unicorn as depicted in fairy tales leaves me with that explanation. Not a really good translation, I know.
jimu57 1 year ago
The reason there's so many problems is because we are separated from God (i.e. the reason is Satan)
Slazzy 2 years ago
goddidit!
MaryStewart 2 years ago
i don't think God had a choice in in telling us that we have a choice. God's hand was forced. Ours isn't.
If God never put the tree there then Satan would be like: "fuck you God, its a paradox if they do evil and don't know about it, so make em' know about it; otherwise neither of us will get credit for our respective alignments."
much like a bear does not get credit for killing a fish.
citricsystemz 2 years ago
The only major problem that I have with these 2 fictional biblical characters is the gullibility and ignorance that is revealed in the minds of the fundies who believe they are literally historical human beings who actually lived at one time. Amazing isn't it? Someone once said to never underestimate the power of stupid people in very large groups.
nogogma 2 years ago
what was the threat XD!!
WarheadAttack 2 years ago
cont,
it is true that this prophecy is partly directed to the king of tyrus because like satan he also was proud and deceitful the ultimate woe and lament is towards the devil. like in Mark 5:1-14 Jesus spoke directly to the legions of demons and in Mark 8:33 directly to satan when influencing peter.
yaalovesGod 2 years ago
cont.
also if u read on from vrs 14 it says he was and anoited cherub, no man is a cherub except the angels like satan was.
in vrse 15 it says 'thou was perfec in thy ways frm the day thou was created till iniquity was found in thee.\this mean that this being was created (not born perfect) and that ca only apply to Adam, Eve, Satan or he demons and not an earthly king. Like all humanbeings the king was 'shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin' ps 51:5.
yaalovesGod 2 years ago
@ gorteenminogue
now regarding ezekiel 28:13, if u read the verse above you would see that it was a lament regarding the king of tyrus propbably ittobaal the second. however unlike historical narrative like genesis it contains figurative language. Like psalm 22, is not only describing davids troubles and how he felt but also Christ death 1000 yrs later.
ezekiel 28:13 states that this being was in eden thegarden of God and from genesis we know it was only adam eve and primarily the serpent.
yaalovesGod 2 years ago
All some of this people do is to helplessly
quote the bible and completely elude the
main issue at hand. There's many egregious contradictions that demand
to do some critical thinking and sensible
answers, but what some of you do is to quote the bible and you think that in doing so the problem is resolved. Everything is smoothly squared away. When someone wishes to believe something no rationalization is too far fetched.
pedrom41 2 years ago
But when it comes to marriage between man and woman, because they knew already from their ancestors and traditions that a man marries a woman it was a common practice. However even then some people did engage in homosexuality behavior (Gen 19). What Moses simply did through God's inspiration is to give the reason as to why marriage should be between a man and a woman.
yaalovesGod 2 years ago
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Gorteenminogue 2 years ago
Keeping the Sabbath hadnt been done by anyone else before that day. Because Moses wrote the Book of Genesis through God's Inspiration he also put in the reasons why some commandments where made in genesis. Commandments God gave him.
yaalovesGod 2 years ago
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yaalovesGod 2 years ago