it could go either way with carlos and marvelous, seems I see carlos too busy early keeping marvelous off balance just enough to keep himself from getting knocked out after getting knocked down in the 2nd round. carlos by decision.
Monzon over hagler?...hmmm interesting. As much as i like King Carlos,..if he doesnt cut Hagler early,..i see Marv getting him in later rounds, unless it's an all -out war,.ala hagler Hearns. marvs athleticism and ability to switch would prob cause probs for Carlos, whom is too stand up and stiff compared to Marv, who could punch either way. Helluva matchup tho. Best two middleweights i've seen in my lifetime, for sure. Carlos' long reach would give Marv probs for sure too.
Napoles was a genius, but he was just too small to be in there at 160, he LOOKS like a Welterweight in there with Monzon, who was a very big middleweight
Hagler had life and death with duran a lightweight and leonard a welterweight and look what monzon is doing with napoles a guy who probably would have beaten either duran or leonard. King Carlos is by himself in his era.
Monzon over Hagler, all day, every day, without a doubt. Hagler was custom made for Monzon. Monzon's counter would've been too crucial. Hagler would get tapped every time he'd go inside by a devastating right handed "shotgun" blast. Hagler would've gotten cut, easily & Monzon would've patiently picked him apart. Fight gets stopped in the 13th round.
@Cafishio702 MOnzon reminds me of the middleweight version of Lennox Lewis except Monzon didn't have the marshmellow chin.But I don't know about Hagler vs monzon.The hagler straight right jab was deadly and hagler did better with that jab against the taller lankier anatomy middleweights. .Monzon had a great chin but so did hagler and the leonard fight was not a good gauge that monzon would beat hagler.Leonard fought a total survival fight with a few flurries to steal the rounds.
@strawpurchasepublish Lewis learned to "ride" punches when he took on emanual steward.Manny was a great trainer and he realized lewis' weakness is his "below average chin". Lewis rode punches after his embarrassing ko from an ex sparring partner of the classic tyson,mccall,whom tyson beat on to prepare for his 8 title defenses during the rooney/87-88 title era.It's very subtle but you can see lewis riding punches if you look carefully.This was easier for a 6'6" frame guy.
Briscoe was already beaten by monzon and valdes when he fought hagler and what hagler did? NOTHING,im not going to get too much into a discusion about if halger kos monzon or viceversa,but i tell you this; hagler was going to be in the fight of his life and would have gotten out of it beaten and thinking seriuosly about retirment,BELIEVE that,monzon was a light heavy weight in a middle weight frame.........
Monzon would have eaten hagler alive,he was too big(even bigger than hearns)and stronger,just see the difference in all of his fights with his opponents,but i guess we never know,all we can do is speculate,so please stop insulting me and be a gentleman,asshole? did u ever see monzon live/ ( i did) i saw BOTH monzon valdez fights LIVE,so i can tell u that this guy could punch and take one too,regards.......asshole.
Hagler fought best against middleweights that were over 6 feet tall. I think Hagler would have pressed Monzon and forced him to fight at a much faster pace. Hagler, to me would have beaten Monzon and probably would have stopped him. Hagler could block and/ or slip Monzon's punches and would have been pouring 85 to 95 punches per round on him. Too much pressure. Hagler in 7 or 8 rounds.
@tw69hands2 Hagler never fought a middleweight over 6ft tall? Hearns was 6''1 but a natural welter. Monzon had a granite chin, only 2 flash knockdowns in an 80+ fight career; no middle in history would have stopped Monzon (IMO, of course). Hagler never fought anyone as big and strong as Monzon, his jab was fantastic, had a large reach advantage on Hagler, if you could get past the jab then one of the deadliest rights in history was waiting for you.
esta pelea fue un regalito para monzon.... vean la diferencia de peso entre estos dos... es enorme... pero en fin. muchos creen que fue una buena pelea.. mucha desventaja para napoles..
Hagler all the way, Monzon would have suited Hagler down to a T... Flat footed and barely moved around much, all Monzon would have would be his long reach - but Hagler had a long reach too and could box/take a punch and loved a good fight... You cant really talk about who they fought in the past cos they were from different eras, did Monzon ever fight anyone with punching power like thomas hearns/john magabi ?
Monzon was the second greatest Middleweight of all time in my view and would have beaten Hagler. Has there ever been a Middleweight who made better use of his advantages than Monzon? Tall and rangy, a rock hard jab to box behind and freakish body strength. Hagler got frustrated when he couldn't boss an opponent, and there's no way he bosses / bullies Monzon. Hagler had struggles in his reign - Monzon looked untouchable during his. Hagler struggled with WWs, Monzon swatted them with contempt.
Mantequilla Napoles era, al momento de la pelea, solo comparable con Ray Sugar Leonard, tenía ese estilo. Casi todos decían que Monzon perdía por la enorme calidad de Mantequilla, sin embargo el gran Carlos lo demolió, lo obligó a abandonar y prácticamente lo retiró, ya que después de esta pelea, Mantequilla Napoles no volvió a ser el mismo, nunca. A todos aquellos que dicen que Hagler hubiese derrotado a Monzón, escuchen un poco lo que decían los rivales de Monzón despues de la pelea.
DURAN LASTED"DID SO GOOD"BECAUSE HE COULD TAKE A PUNCH BETTER THAN ANYONE AND HE COULD OUTLAST ANYONE.BUT HE WASNTA GREAT BOXER.HE WAS MORE OF A BRAWLER.LOOK AT HIS FIGHTS HE DOESNT SLIP A JAB OR HAVE GREAT FOOTWORK..HE GETS PUNCHED AROUND LIKE HELL.HIS HEAD LOOKS LIKE A BOBBLEHEAD.JUST MY OPPINION.
Truly one of the greatest, dude looks so fcking tough in the ring, truly a top 5 middleweight along with SRR, Greb, Hagler, and Fitzsimmons. Maravilla Martinez should be honored that he's in the same line of champs.
I think that Hagler was better, with better boxing techniques and was faster and had a better chin than monzon and most important of all, Hagler was able to jab with both hands. And I also think that Hagler had a better quality opponents in his era. Punching power? both where very powerfull middleweights. But I think sugar ray robinson is better than both by a mile.
Monzon would of done the exact thing to Hagler! Hagler wouldn't of gotten by Napoles; he struggled all to hell vs a Lightweight in Duran. Now imagine him against an ALL-TIME Great Welterweight?
Duran was amazing so don't try to take anything away from Hagler (or Duran for that matter). Duran was able to knock down and beat Iran Barkley. A lightweight who can take out a super middleweight when he's out of his prime is obviously talented and dangerous.
not taking nothing away from Duran he's been the Greatest Lightweight in history. Hagler is the one who's suspect here; NOT among the Greats as a Middleweight!
I more than agree on Duran's Greatness! he's been among the Greatest that ever lived P4P. My point about Hagler is: he was given fits by much lighter fighters: Duran & Leonard. For as Great Duran & Leonard were(specially Duran!) They would of been virtually NO threat to Monzon.
@judaschongo That has to be the dumbest comment i've ever seen in my life. Thomas Hearns would of destroyed Monzon in 4- Monzon was great-but Hagler is greater, Hagler was blessed with great power and an iron chin.
@frEEturk what power? he coudn't even hurt a Lightweight in Roberto Duran. Granted it was the Greatest Lightweight in the history of the sport; but a 135lb. fighter none the less. If you consider KO'ing Hearns a tremendous feat? LOL! Hagler had a solid chin, any fool knows that; but cutting & swelling were his Achilles heel as well.
Styles make fights. Ali couldn't put away Frazier or Norton, but I'd doubt you'd say he didn't HAVE power. Tyson never really had Holyfield in trouble, but Bowe knocked him into next week. You gonna say Tyson didn't have power. People always knock Hagler for the Duran fight...maybe it was Duran's last great fight. Hagler never got the credit he deserved. He knocked Hearns cold, he beat Ray Leonard (bogus decision or not), and ppl didn't even recognize him until he was past prime
@judaschongo Imagine Hagler against an all-time great welterweight? Um, sugar Leonard was an all-time great welterwight, and would have beaten everyone Monzon fought and Mpnzon, too, for that matter.
carlos monzon is my fav middle wieght but did you know he wasnt really good at first in his first 20 fights he lost 3 and drawed 3 he just worked very hard and became better
@sol323134 actually Monzon was known more for his lack of a solid work ethic outside of the ring. he did more of his learning "on the job" so to speak
how come we didn't see Monzon go up to light heavyweight and face one of the greatest fighters of that division, like Napoles did when he went up to fight with this fight? its obvious Napoles is the better fighter Pound 4 Pound.
Bernard Hopkins at his best would beat the best versions of Hagler, Monzon and Robinson. Roy Jones would dominate them. People don't give Hopkins and Jones the credit because it's popular to denigrate contemporary fighters....but come on!
Hopkins had about as much chance against Hagler as a pig against a slaughterhouse... His chances against Robinson? r u kidding me? Robinson would have turned Hopkins into a hand puppet.. lmao..
Hopkins won both Taylor fights and was roobed twice. We all know it. besides Bernard was 40 years old at the time. Hagler was only 31 and he took 11 rounds of a hard struggle to beat the unproven blown up jnr middle called Mugabi and Robinson lost nearly every fight after 40.
well i do agree BH got robbed, but the fights were close.
so because Hopkins has continued fighting at top level at 44 that means he would beat Robinson in his prime? also Hagler? that sounds a bit ignorant, Hopkins has a great resume, but imho prime for prime at 160, b-hop wouldn't last 15 rounds with RR.
When you listen to some of the boxing "historians" nowadays you'd swear that robinson was made of Steel and it'll take Kryptonite and nothing less to beat him.
Well I guess La Motta had Kryptonite. So too did Turpin and so too did Fulmer...guys who were NOWHERE NEAR as good as Hopkins.
if there weren't electronic timing a guy like you would have picked Jesse ownes to beat Usain Bolt. Dude Athletes are better now than they were in the 50s.
"Dude Athletes are better now than they were in the 50s"
thats why today boxers only fight 2, 3. 4 times at most a year?
Robinson was beatable, he did lose 19 times, but when talking Prime for Prime thats another thing. Don't get me wrong Hopkins is great, he is a top 20 all time great, but is see Robinson winning by late ko.
@slystaff777@slystaff777 Hagler was 34/35 at that time (vs mugabi) and B-Hop never had the quaility of opponents that monzon, ray robinson and Hagler had. The reason why B-Hop is winning today at 45 is cause the quality level of boxing is too low today. Look at the heavyweights, Light Heavy, Middleweight and Jr Mid and there's nobody there. Today's greaters are fighting at 147 and below.
You need to look into why Ray lost to those mentioned oponents. Turpin, Ray was on a tour of Europe and didnt train for the fight and that was his second loss in 170 fights! Lamotta, you say guys like. Lamotta as if he is a bad fighter?? your out of your mind or dont know about boxing as Lamottta was one of the most feared MW of the time, no one would fight him and you just brush him off like that? Fulmer beat a shadow of SSR not the man who dominated boxing for years
well boys,..nice discussion,..have to agree Monzon va hagler would be a MoFo,..but slight edge to marv,..and i seen em both, love em both. Monzon not as athletic as marv,..but marv cuts, Monzon don't,..so it would be close,..my own opinion, ..Marv, by close decision.
hagler couldn't handle an old and inflated duran ,man cmon,monzon was a very inteligent and he would demolished hagler bit by bit,too strong and with fast reactions ,just look the fight (unbiased) i loved hagler,but my moeney would go for monzon,im no stupid.regards
people! get it right top 3 middleweights ever. by order would be. 1(and the undisputed G.O.A.T period) Sugar ray Robinson. no questions asked. Followed by perhaps the toughest of all time. and my personal fav. 2. Marvelous Marvin Hagler. 3(the pride of ARGENTINA) Carlos Monzon. these are the top 3 heavyweights of all time by order. nuff said. accept the truth.
Oscar, the #2 spot is not Hagler. Marvelous would have been dec. or tko'd by any one of a half a dozen Middleweights from the 50's.Lamotta, Graziano, ZAle, Cerdan,etc would have been happy to oblige Marv's desire to turn a fight into a brawl. They would have given Marvelous a lot to think about...probably too much in the case of Lamotta....whose power, destructiveness, and chin are still not understood by most modern day boxing fans.Thats the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
well personaly i dont think there are many fighters in any era that could've beat hagler. im so tired of people saying the the fighters of the 50s and 60's could compete with the modern day fighter. the truth is they couldn't. thats like saying NFL teams of the 60's and 70's could compete in todays NFL. athletes today are far stronger and better conditioned than the athletes of the past. Lamotta wouldn't not KO. hagler. Hagler was never K.O'd.
Oscar, I agree completely. Top athletes of 50 years didn't have the training as they do today. Look at track for example and 4 min. mile. Could never be broken it was thought and now any W.C. runner can. Those guys were as tough as nails to be sure but the elite ones guys today. wouldn't beat the top
your right nuff said. i made a mistake boo who!. you know what i meant. and you also know that list is pretty accurate. Robinson, Hagler, Monzon. after that i would think The Raging Bull would follow. and after that its up for debate.
what???? r u serious. theres no way. Monzon could've beaten Hagler. Monzon was a beast. but a very slow beast. hagler would've won by K.O in 9. period. aside from Robinson. Hagler is the second greatest middleweight of all time. hands down!.
@elcalamarense You are a real asshole! If all you can do is shoot down great fighters of the past like Hagler, then simply get the fuck off this site!! Simply put, you are a bum!!
another ignorant ,that shows how biased you are against somebody NOT american,no one did beat him in his day ,stop the comparisson,it was different times and styles,monzon was numero 1 in his day,period!!!he fought EVERYBODY back when you had to be somebody to earn a shot at the title,boxin from the 80's and up it's been a joke.
AMEN LOL!. I've cut and copied your comment and will simply paste it when these biased blind monzon fans come a knocking. Monzon was a Monster like Frankenstein or the Mummy very strong very tough but too stiff. But if he caught you? Your dead! Speed & slickness definitely his Kryptonite . Hearns would have to be perfect if he gets caught even once he's dead. Robinson & Hagler? Iron Chins I like prime James Toney against him too.
Monzon was not stiff? if anything he was very loose, he just fought in the classic, old-fashioned, stand-up manner - you would if you had an enormous reach and a jab like that!
Robinson, Hagler, Hearns, or Toney never fought anyone like Monzon - they wouldnt have got inside of that long jab, if they did that axe-like right and granite chin were waiting.
Dont get me wrong Robinson was the best fighter ever - but not the best Middlewe.ight - that was the `Escopeta'
Monson best weapons are left jabs and right cross. He seemes to be no footwork and speeed but from this clip he was smart and knew how to avoid opponent's puches so well.
However, I rate Robinson, Hagler, Leonard, Hearns ahead of him.
i believe monzon could have beated hagler cause he has the distance and moves.hagler was stron but monzon was very smart and as i told before all his punches delivered the goods.
Hearns had the distance, and had plenty of moves. His hands and feet were quite a bit faster than Monzon's, too. Hagler was still able to close the distance and do damage. It'd be an interesting fight.
Hagler is by far my favorite fighter, but I'm still not willing to say he'd win hands down.
I can't give monzon the nod based partly on his body. He's got a light heavyweight upper body with welterweight legs. You better believe he has a light heavyweight chin as well. He's more of a freak than a fighter, I'd predict he's not the no. 1 middleweight.
134being it's obvious to people who actually know something about what it is to be a fighter that YOU are not one AND you dont even know what in the hell you're talking about. any fighter or BOXER would disagree with you completely. in fact MIKE TYSON is on record as saying the only middleweight that WOULD HAVE beaten SUGAR RAY ROBINSON in his PRIME was CARLOS MONZON. hagler was great and no one knows who would've won. but dont disrespect a great champion like carlos. end of chat.
This and emille griffith which I just watched were my first experiences watching Monzon. prior to viewing I had heard he had a tremendous jab, That didn't even come close to true. Mostly i see a stick legged light in the ass.Can.t slip doesn't block or parry well too many predictable one two combos. Good thing for him he didn't have a hagler Duran or Hearns to deal with. In our heart of hearts all three bring quick and devastating L,s to amateur looking Monzon. Yhis is a myth from the past.
Regarded by Ring Magazine as the 3rd greatest Middleweight, behind Hagler and Robinson, with only 3 losses in 100 fights beating fighters: Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Nino Benvenuti, Rodrigo Valdez on the way. But I also agree with you, Monzon is good, but is overrated. Personally I would put him as South America's 3rd greatest fighter behind Chavez and well behind Duran. Whatever he did outside of the ring, he was a good boxer, but overrated I think.
Fair omment, and sorry if I sound pedantic, mate, but please don't copy the (north) Americans in their ignorance of American geography. Chavez is Mexican and Duran Panamean, therefore neither is South American, since both named countries are in CENTRAL America.
monzon apesar q era medio lento y le dolian las manos,tiraba bombazos y con muy buena punteria,no era de desperdiciar golpes,y ademas muy estrategico.
monzon kos roy no chin jones easy wake up all you haters you cant tell by these old videos my rap back to roy jones now we can forget roy jones the boxings big ego idiot !!!!glenn leslie
Monzon era un grande,aunque a veces parece que no le dan el merito que merece,napoles era un gran boxeador,cubano de nacimiento y mexicano por adopcion,afortunadamente estos grandes peleadores siempre seran recordados por los que vieron sus peleas y por los que como yo,los conocieron en video,el buen boxeo siempre sera asi no importa el pais del que lo ejecute,arriba del ring es donde se forjan leyendas,Monzon quiza es para argentina lo que Chavez es para mi pais
i'd liek 2 c either of these guys or a prime hagler,hearns,leonard against prime gene fullmer,ruff stong guy hu wud press them to fight very close n bull them into ropes,jmo
Hubiese sido fantástico que la historia hubiese juntado a Hagler, Hopkins y Monzon. Hoy en día serían peleas clásicas grandiosas, Hopkins v Hagler, Hopkins v Monzon, Hagler v Monzón.
Eso es lo que digo. Hagler no tuvo rivales de cuidado. Los que enfrentó eran más pequeños. No se como pueden decir que tuvo grandes rivales y que Monzón y que no tuvo buena competencia. Por favor'' Acaso Fulgencio Obelmejías fue un gran peso mediano? O Martillo Roldan? Caveman Lee? Puros paquetes.
Si Hagler fue tan bueno, por que no subió entonces a pelear con Spinks o con Holmes? Por que eran muy grandes para el? Y entonces por que si pelió con pesos menores? Adem{as parece que los admiradores de hagler no le dan importanmcia al peso. hagler peleó con pesos menores y el mejor peso mediano que enfrentó fue Hamsho y Obelmejías, unos don nadies
A Obelmejías lo hicieron a fuerza de enfrentarlo con paquetes. Incluso una vez descubrieron que Rafito Cedeño (Su promotor) lo enfrentò con un tipo que trabajaba en un Barco como descargador o algo así. Era un tal si mal no recuerdo. Por eso lucía tanto. Hasta que enfrentó a Hagler, que era bastante bueno (es verdad) y se acabó el mito de Fully Obel.
look theirs no way Monzon had Better competition than Hagler ! Tommy would beat that ass ! Monzon was good but he never face a boxer like Hearns ! Valdez was the only one ! Valdez was good but he was no Tommy Hearns !
you might be right ! but what may Hearns so dangers was his speed & that right hand ! if valdez would got hit with that right hand he would drop ! & there's no way Valdez would got close to Hearns, Hearns jab would set that right hand as Valdez would try to coming !
but hagler's was a different age am I wrong? wasn't hagler younger than monzon I mean the prime time of monzon was before the hagler's am I wrong I dont know to much you say hagler kept challenging monzon and he didn't want to face him?
You are right. They have also said that Valdés was scared to face hagler in about 1977. But Valdés was not afraid to face Monzon. The press say a lot of things that are just not true, and not logical.
What happened to Napoles' defense? Did he think Monzon didn't punch hard? He took some shots! No matter how many times I watch Monzon I'm still struck by how awkward and ungainly he appears. Nothing smooth at all about his style...but he always came out on top. Great fighter.
Remember that Avalon Hill game Title Bout? Great fun for pitting guys across eras. Their Hagler was underrated, though (his ratings done in 1980, I think), and my Monzon-Hagler ended with Hagler unable to come out for the second or third after Monzon caught him big in the first. My Monzon-Sugar Ray Robinson ended with Robinson W 15 after Monzon had Robinson in trouble in the middle rounds.
Thank you! I can't believe the commentator is comparing Griffith with Monzon! Monzon was great Griffith was steady a good all rounder but not from outer space like Monzon! Monzon was a lock for one of the top 3 middleweights ever!
con los boxeadores argentinos pasa lo mismo. Creo que el hecho de que muchos sean alcoholicos o drogacictos tiene que ver con sus origenes humildes e ignorantes
Monzon fue un boxeador efectivo, Leonard fue un boxeador que tuvo muchos "regalitos" tal como cuando boxeo ganando el titulo ante Dom Ladome (canadiense) que le faltaba parte de la clavicula en 1989, todo para que ganara el titulo, Hagler el mas completo y de mejor manejo de ring, Tomas Hearns, explosivo. hay que comparar entre contemporaneos, sino discutiremos de por vida...como si fue mejor Casius Clay o Marciano. Personalmente para mi el gran campeon del siglo en la categoria : Marvin Hagler.
Si, Leonard se adjudicó 2 robos: Hagler y Hearns 2. A Hagler no le hizo ningún daño, lo bailó y lo tocó solo para impresionar al público... y Hearns (2) lo tumbó 2 veces. El gran Carlos Monzon, despues de ver la pelea Leonard-Hagler dijo: "ESA PELEA LA GANÓ HAGLER, NO LEONARD".
Coincido plenamente con tus dichos, asi tal cual fue el enfrentamiento Hagler-Leonard, Leonard hizo gala de velocidad dando una seguidilla de golpecitos en el abdomen de Hagler...golpes a los que Hagler sonrio, ya que ni los sintio...haciendo gala de sus fortalecidos musculos. El rostro de Leonard evidenciaba el verdadero resultado de la pelea . Saludos Widema74 , vimos la misma pelea
....grande CARLOS MONZON...le hubiera ganado a hagler, que arreglo su combate con leonard, para retirarse con varios millones de dolares en el bolsillo, y al que habla que de la hoya le rompio la cara a j.c.chavez, es cierto, pero le gano cuando este venia en bajada...de la hoya perdió con todos los buenos que enfrentó....arriba monzón...viva chile y martín vargas....aguante morumbi....
ya que estan en youtube por que no miran la pelea de hagler vs leonard... creo que monzon nunca se comio un baile semejante.... ya que quieren comparar...ahhh y nunca perdio en una defensa.
Listo, Chaguino, no hablemos mas. No tenes idea de boxeo. Godoy era chileno, no argentino, y Duran perdio por decision con Esteban de Jesus, pero luego lo noqueo en 11. Y en las dos peleas cayo en el primer round. Eso demuestra que peleaba de verdad.Para discutir hay que saber.
Así que no desmerezcan a Monzón diciendo pelotudeces porque pareciera que en los 70' no hubo boxeadores medianos, y eso no fue así... había grandes peleadores, sólo que no podían con el Negro.
Además Monzón nunca estuvo sentido en una pelea.. solamente Valdez lo tiró por accidente en la última pelea de su carrea, con lo que se dió cuenta que ya era hora del retiro pq no era el mismo. Hagler se cansó de desafiarlo en los 80' pq no se bancaba que le dijeran que Monzón había sido el mejor mediano de los 70', pero Monzón ya estaba viejo para ese momento. Por algo al negro Hagler le quitaba el sueño... pregúntenselo sino.
yo fui desde siempre admirador de monzon pero creo q t equivocas en eso de k nunca estuvo sentido en la pelea q tuvo con benny briscoe en el luna monzon recibio un derechazo que le hizo mirar el reloj a carlos y a lo cual el declaro q no miraba el reloj sino a cualquier parte pk no sabia donde estaba parado luego se recupero y pudo ganar solo briscoe le hizo pasar un mal momento a monzon
Yo no creo que Hagler lo hubiera matado a Monzón, habida cuenta de que no era un boxeador técnicamente dotado. La virtud de Hagler era la absorsión de los golpes y la fuerza de pegada. Monzón tenía una buena virtud que era el manejo de distancia.. planteaba las peleas a su distancia y no permitía que se le acercaran jamás, y no veo pq no habría podido hacerlo con Hagler.
En cambio si admiro de tu País a "Arturo Godoy" que le dió 2 tremendas peléas a Joe Louis, Tambien a "Firpo" que para mi había noqueado a "Dempsey" pero lo ayudaron.
Y esto no viene en Internet "cabezón", ay tu dices si se algo de Box o No.
Que tal "Cabezón", de Duran ya te respondí, Esteban de Jesus le ganó siendo Ligero y lo tumbó en el primer Round.Yo no le quito meritos Monzón solo digo que era un mal peleador y que le tocó la época de ausencia de buenos pesos Medios.
chaquno, como es que por 7 anios (enie) no hubo buenos medianos? en esa epoca no habia tantas organizaciones, el campeon peleaba con los mejores. Monzon les peleo a todos y de vsitante.
Changuito por favor¡¡¡ la época de malos boxeadores le tocó a Marvin hagler. Fijate que Monzon enfrento a grandes como Valdes que nokeo a Briscoe en 7, mientras que Hagler necesito decision. Monzon le ganaba a Hagler hasta con botas negras¡¡¡
Napoles was a damn good fighter...but way too small for Monzon.
Galactusz007 1 month ago
it could go either way with carlos and marvelous, seems I see carlos too busy early keeping marvelous off balance just enough to keep himself from getting knocked out after getting knocked down in the 2nd round. carlos by decision.
huntersingle 1 month ago
Monzon over hagler?...hmmm interesting. As much as i like King Carlos,..if he doesnt cut Hagler early,..i see Marv getting him in later rounds, unless it's an all -out war,.ala hagler Hearns. marvs athleticism and ability to switch would prob cause probs for Carlos, whom is too stand up and stiff compared to Marv, who could punch either way. Helluva matchup tho. Best two middleweights i've seen in my lifetime, for sure. Carlos' long reach would give Marv probs for sure too.
northpoint43m 2 months ago
Reg Gutteridge - legendary commentator. 2 Great Champions - the Bigger One beat the Smaller One
rc2869 5 months ago
Napoles was a genius, but he was just too small to be in there at 160, he LOOKS like a Welterweight in there with Monzon, who was a very big middleweight
Wamz1978 6 months ago
Hagler had life and death with duran a lightweight and leonard a welterweight and look what monzon is doing with napoles a guy who probably would have beaten either duran or leonard. King Carlos is by himself in his era.
SuperAram111 6 months ago
Monzon over Hagler, all day, every day, without a doubt. Hagler was custom made for Monzon. Monzon's counter would've been too crucial. Hagler would get tapped every time he'd go inside by a devastating right handed "shotgun" blast. Hagler would've gotten cut, easily & Monzon would've patiently picked him apart. Fight gets stopped in the 13th round.
Cafishio702 7 months ago
@Cafishio702 MOnzon reminds me of the middleweight version of Lennox Lewis except Monzon didn't have the marshmellow chin.But I don't know about Hagler vs monzon.The hagler straight right jab was deadly and hagler did better with that jab against the taller lankier anatomy middleweights. .Monzon had a great chin but so did hagler and the leonard fight was not a good gauge that monzon would beat hagler.Leonard fought a total survival fight with a few flurries to steal the rounds.
fadethetrade 6 months ago
@fadethetrade Marshmallow chin? Watch Lewis vs Klitschko and tell me both guys don't have incredible chins.
strawpurchasepublish 5 months ago
@strawpurchasepublish Lewis learned to "ride" punches when he took on emanual steward.Manny was a great trainer and he realized lewis' weakness is his "below average chin". Lewis rode punches after his embarrassing ko from an ex sparring partner of the classic tyson,mccall,whom tyson beat on to prepare for his 8 title defenses during the rooney/87-88 title era.It's very subtle but you can see lewis riding punches if you look carefully.This was easier for a 6'6" frame guy.
fadethetrade 5 months ago
@Cafishio702 Stop hallucinating, lol.
Galactusz007 1 month ago
Briscoe was already beaten by monzon and valdes when he fought hagler and what hagler did? NOTHING,im not going to get too much into a discusion about if halger kos monzon or viceversa,but i tell you this; hagler was going to be in the fight of his life and would have gotten out of it beaten and thinking seriuosly about retirment,BELIEVE that,monzon was a light heavy weight in a middle weight frame.........
elcalamarense 8 months ago
Napoles fue uno de los tres mejores welters de la historia. Aqui parece un aficionado porque Monzón era una máquina de demoler.
patriciosman 10 months ago
crap... cm is robot. no footwork.
mar2hac17 10 months ago
yoo thats my last name monzon lol im serious
rotatech 11 months ago
Monzon would have eaten hagler alive,he was too big(even bigger than hearns)and stronger,just see the difference in all of his fights with his opponents,but i guess we never know,all we can do is speculate,so please stop insulting me and be a gentleman,asshole? did u ever see monzon live/ ( i did) i saw BOTH monzon valdez fights LIVE,so i can tell u that this guy could punch and take one too,regards.......asshole.
elcalamarense 11 months ago
@elcalamarense:
Hagler fought best against middleweights that were over 6 feet tall. I think Hagler would have pressed Monzon and forced him to fight at a much faster pace. Hagler, to me would have beaten Monzon and probably would have stopped him. Hagler could block and/ or slip Monzon's punches and would have been pouring 85 to 95 punches per round on him. Too much pressure. Hagler in 7 or 8 rounds.
tw69hands2 8 months ago
@tw69hands2 Hagler never fought a middleweight over 6ft tall? Hearns was 6''1 but a natural welter. Monzon had a granite chin, only 2 flash knockdowns in an 80+ fight career; no middle in history would have stopped Monzon (IMO, of course). Hagler never fought anyone as big and strong as Monzon, his jab was fantastic, had a large reach advantage on Hagler, if you could get past the jab then one of the deadliest rights in history was waiting for you.
Danazawa 8 months ago
@tw69hands2
AMEN!!!
mdmcdd1117 7 months ago
Monzon uses poor Napoles' head as a punching bag.
marcxopoco 11 months ago
Hagler struggled with welterweights, and even with a fat old lightweight (Roberto Duran).
Monzon was no welterweight.
marcxopoco 11 months ago
esta pelea fue un regalito para monzon.... vean la diferencia de peso entre estos dos... es enorme... pero en fin. muchos creen que fue una buena pelea.. mucha desventaja para napoles..
echeberry1000 11 months ago
After this fight, Angeloo Dundee told to Amilcar Brusa, Monzon's coach, that Monzon was the best fighter that he ever seen
garzadrc 1 year ago
Hagler all the way, Monzon would have suited Hagler down to a T... Flat footed and barely moved around much, all Monzon would have would be his long reach - but Hagler had a long reach too and could box/take a punch and loved a good fight... You cant really talk about who they fought in the past cos they were from different eras, did Monzon ever fight anyone with punching power like thomas hearns/john magabi ?
angel3ye5 1 year ago
Monzon was the second greatest Middleweight of all time in my view and would have beaten Hagler. Has there ever been a Middleweight who made better use of his advantages than Monzon? Tall and rangy, a rock hard jab to box behind and freakish body strength. Hagler got frustrated when he couldn't boss an opponent, and there's no way he bosses / bullies Monzon. Hagler had struggles in his reign - Monzon looked untouchable during his. Hagler struggled with WWs, Monzon swatted them with contempt.
iljn1988 1 year ago
Carlos has chicken legs lls...but he is p4p one of the greatest of all time
FiveStarGeneral88 1 year ago
Mantequilla Napoles era, al momento de la pelea, solo comparable con Ray Sugar Leonard, tenía ese estilo. Casi todos decían que Monzon perdía por la enorme calidad de Mantequilla, sin embargo el gran Carlos lo demolió, lo obligó a abandonar y prácticamente lo retiró, ya que después de esta pelea, Mantequilla Napoles no volvió a ser el mismo, nunca. A todos aquellos que dicen que Hagler hubiese derrotado a Monzón, escuchen un poco lo que decían los rivales de Monzón despues de la pelea.
guimat 1 year ago
aguante monzon.....yankees hijos de mil perra......aguante la argentina carajoooo!!!!! monzon bonavena y locche......
tekilababy1 1 year ago
@tekilababy1 yankees hijos de mp??? por que???
joselbg 1 year ago
Hagler would shred Monzon - strip by strip. And then he would tear out his heart & make him eat it.
JSavic 1 year ago
@JSavic no he woudnt
rusoope 1 year ago
DURAN LASTED"DID SO GOOD"BECAUSE HE COULD TAKE A PUNCH BETTER THAN ANYONE AND HE COULD OUTLAST ANYONE.BUT HE WASNTA GREAT BOXER.HE WAS MORE OF A BRAWLER.LOOK AT HIS FIGHTS HE DOESNT SLIP A JAB OR HAVE GREAT FOOTWORK..HE GETS PUNCHED AROUND LIKE HELL.HIS HEAD LOOKS LIKE A BOBBLEHEAD.JUST MY OPPINION.
JohnnyDesaint 1 year ago
I agree with the posters on the Hagler thing, Shock and awe, Monzon wouldn't have known what hit him,
johnanthonyp 1 year ago
Monzan was good but not as good as THE MAVELOUS ONE.
sunderlandgent 1 year ago
Monzon is the best middleweight champion of all times, all times, all times!
paullytigereyeroot55 1 year ago 3
@paullytigereyeroot55 I think that claim belongs to Marvin Marvelous Hagler.
sunderlandgent 1 year ago
@paullytigereyeroot55 also a murderer...
TwistedSister09 1 year ago
Truly one of the greatest, dude looks so fcking tough in the ring, truly a top 5 middleweight along with SRR, Greb, Hagler, and Fitzsimmons. Maravilla Martinez should be honored that he's in the same line of champs.
liberal185 1 year ago
I think that Hagler was better, with better boxing techniques and was faster and had a better chin than monzon and most important of all, Hagler was able to jab with both hands. And I also think that Hagler had a better quality opponents in his era. Punching power? both where very powerfull middleweights. But I think sugar ray robinson is better than both by a mile.
Domibond007 1 year ago
Sugar Ray Robinson would have figured him out and eventually dropped him with one of his potent and powerful combos.
A straight up fighter with limited movement like Monzon would have been made to order for him.
ballisticbliss 2 years ago
Monzon has a great 1-2
DeadMothernature 2 years ago
Monzon would of done the exact thing to Hagler! Hagler wouldn't of gotten by Napoles; he struggled all to hell vs a Lightweight in Duran. Now imagine him against an ALL-TIME Great Welterweight?
judaschongo 2 years ago
Duran was amazing so don't try to take anything away from Hagler (or Duran for that matter). Duran was able to knock down and beat Iran Barkley. A lightweight who can take out a super middleweight when he's out of his prime is obviously talented and dangerous.
upthera5 2 years ago
not taking nothing away from Duran he's been the Greatest Lightweight in history. Hagler is the one who's suspect here; NOT among the Greats as a Middleweight!
judaschongo 2 years ago
Well okay. I disagree with you on Hagler, I think he's one of the greatest middleweights ever but atleast we can agree on Duran's greatness.
upthera5 2 years ago
I more than agree on Duran's Greatness! he's been among the Greatest that ever lived P4P. My point about Hagler is: he was given fits by much lighter fighters: Duran & Leonard. For as Great Duran & Leonard were(specially Duran!) They would of been virtually NO threat to Monzon.
judaschongo 2 years ago
@judaschongo That has to be the dumbest comment i've ever seen in my life. Thomas Hearns would of destroyed Monzon in 4- Monzon was great-but Hagler is greater, Hagler was blessed with great power and an iron chin.
frEEturk 1 year ago
@frEEturk what power? he coudn't even hurt a Lightweight in Roberto Duran. Granted it was the Greatest Lightweight in the history of the sport; but a 135lb. fighter none the less. If you consider KO'ing Hearns a tremendous feat? LOL! Hagler had a solid chin, any fool knows that; but cutting & swelling were his Achilles heel as well.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo
Styles make fights. Ali couldn't put away Frazier or Norton, but I'd doubt you'd say he didn't HAVE power. Tyson never really had Holyfield in trouble, but Bowe knocked him into next week. You gonna say Tyson didn't have power. People always knock Hagler for the Duran fight...maybe it was Duran's last great fight. Hagler never got the credit he deserved. He knocked Hearns cold, he beat Ray Leonard (bogus decision or not), and ppl didn't even recognize him until he was past prime
cbaldwinjr 1 year ago
@judaschongo Imagine Hagler against an all-time great welterweight? Um, sugar Leonard was an all-time great welterwight, and would have beaten everyone Monzon fought and Mpnzon, too, for that matter.
mdmcdd1117 7 months ago
jajjaja tenia los brazos muy largos para el chiquitin Aguante Monzon
tatin96 2 years ago 3
carlos monzon is my fav middle wieght but did you know he wasnt really good at first in his first 20 fights he lost 3 and drawed 3 he just worked very hard and became better
sol323134 2 years ago 7
@sol323134 actually Monzon was known more for his lack of a solid work ethic outside of the ring. he did more of his learning "on the job" so to speak
ChillPill365 1 year ago
Griffin was a harder opponent than napoles.
masterpatric07 2 years ago
mantequilla was not smart to try to go up against MONZON.he was too hard very strong and tall for his category.became greedy and he lost.
masterpatric07 2 years ago
monzon was a very technical fighter in his cautious way.he did not miss his energy and weas very accurate.he outboxed napoles.impressive skills.
masterpatric07 2 years ago 2
Que tremenda PALIZA
Betobocha 2 years ago
MONZON THE BEST.. the only undefeated champ in this weight category.. !!!!! A true legend
historiachibcha1 2 years ago 17
@historiachibcha1 That's not true. He maybe the best but he wasnt undefeater.
Domibond007 1 year ago
@historiachibcha1 Yeah at killing his wife to huh?
TwistedSister09 1 year ago
P4P Napoles takes the cake, and you people know this.
TRIPLESIXSICCNESS 2 years ago
That's why Monzon's rated higher in the p4p list of all time?
GrandPappyJeffz 2 years ago
in what list?
how come we didn't see Monzon go up to light heavyweight and face one of the greatest fighters of that division, like Napoles did when he went up to fight with this fight? its obvious Napoles is the better fighter Pound 4 Pound.
TRIPLESIXSICCNESS 2 years ago
Carlos monzon el mejor lejos y es argentino. El mejor golpe neto de la historia-
amantedetucas 2 years ago
slystaff77 said Jones and Hopkins could of KOd Monzon? NO WAY. Monzon was tougher and found ways to connect.MONZON BY KO for both!
cavemannick 2 years ago 2
Bernard Hopkins at his best would beat the best versions of Hagler, Monzon and Robinson. Roy Jones would dominate them. People don't give Hopkins and Jones the credit because it's popular to denigrate contemporary fighters....but come on!
slystaff777 2 years ago
Hopkins had about as much chance against Hagler as a pig against a slaughterhouse... His chances against Robinson? r u kidding me? Robinson would have turned Hopkins into a hand puppet.. lmao..
theredferal 2 years ago 3
haha! Robinson would wipe his ass with poor Bernard.
TRIPLESIXSICCNESS 2 years ago
Robinson loses to guys like Turpin, Lamotta and Fulmer and he'd beat Bernard Hopkins?! Dream on!
slystaff777 2 years ago
bernard loses to sorry ass taylor and you think he can take on srr, ha!
TRIPLESIXSICCNESS 2 years ago
Hopkins won both Taylor fights and was roobed twice. We all know it. besides Bernard was 40 years old at the time. Hagler was only 31 and he took 11 rounds of a hard struggle to beat the unproven blown up jnr middle called Mugabi and Robinson lost nearly every fight after 40.
slystaff777 2 years ago
well i do agree BH got robbed, but the fights were close.
so because Hopkins has continued fighting at top level at 44 that means he would beat Robinson in his prime? also Hagler? that sounds a bit ignorant, Hopkins has a great resume, but imho prime for prime at 160, b-hop wouldn't last 15 rounds with RR.
TRIPLESIXSICCNESS 2 years ago
When you listen to some of the boxing "historians" nowadays you'd swear that robinson was made of Steel and it'll take Kryptonite and nothing less to beat him.
Well I guess La Motta had Kryptonite. So too did Turpin and so too did Fulmer...guys who were NOWHERE NEAR as good as Hopkins.
if there weren't electronic timing a guy like you would have picked Jesse ownes to beat Usain Bolt. Dude Athletes are better now than they were in the 50s.
slystaff777 2 years ago
fuck all other athletes, i'm talking Boxing.
"Dude Athletes are better now than they were in the 50s"
thats why today boxers only fight 2, 3. 4 times at most a year?
Robinson was beatable, he did lose 19 times, but when talking Prime for Prime thats another thing. Don't get me wrong Hopkins is great, he is a top 20 all time great, but is see Robinson winning by late ko.
TRIPLESIXSICCNESS 2 years ago
Robsinson did lose a lot of fights over 40 but up to that time he had well over 150 fights. Mate are seriously doubting SSR???
gangst1978 2 years ago
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Domibond007 1 year ago
@slystaff777 @slystaff777 Hagler was 34/35 at that time (vs mugabi) and B-Hop never had the quaility of opponents that monzon, ray robinson and Hagler had. The reason why B-Hop is winning today at 45 is cause the quality level of boxing is too low today. Look at the heavyweights, Light Heavy, Middleweight and Jr Mid and there's nobody there. Today's greaters are fighting at 147 and below.
Domibond007 1 year ago 2
You need to look into why Ray lost to those mentioned oponents. Turpin, Ray was on a tour of Europe and didnt train for the fight and that was his second loss in 170 fights! Lamotta, you say guys like. Lamotta as if he is a bad fighter?? your out of your mind or dont know about boxing as Lamottta was one of the most feared MW of the time, no one would fight him and you just brush him off like that? Fulmer beat a shadow of SSR not the man who dominated boxing for years
gangst1978 2 years ago
And Harry Greb would defeat them all...
LA8PVCallingTheWorld 2 years ago 2
only 48 ko's in 260 wins plus no footage. I'm assuming your over a 100 years.
LVSWTZ 2 years ago
well boys,..nice discussion,..have to agree Monzon va hagler would be a MoFo,..but slight edge to marv,..and i seen em both, love em both. Monzon not as athletic as marv,..but marv cuts, Monzon don't,..so it would be close,..my own opinion, ..Marv, by close decision.
northpoint43m 2 years ago
hagler couldn't handle an old and inflated duran ,man cmon,monzon was a very inteligent and he would demolished hagler bit by bit,too strong and with fast reactions ,just look the fight (unbiased) i loved hagler,but my moeney would go for monzon,im no stupid.regards
elcalamarense 2 years ago 2
people! get it right top 3 middleweights ever. by order would be. 1(and the undisputed G.O.A.T period) Sugar ray Robinson. no questions asked. Followed by perhaps the toughest of all time. and my personal fav. 2. Marvelous Marvin Hagler. 3(the pride of ARGENTINA) Carlos Monzon. these are the top 3 heavyweights of all time by order. nuff said. accept the truth.
OscarJMarroquin 2 years ago
Oscar, the #2 spot is not Hagler. Marvelous would have been dec. or tko'd by any one of a half a dozen Middleweights from the 50's.Lamotta, Graziano, ZAle, Cerdan,etc would have been happy to oblige Marv's desire to turn a fight into a brawl. They would have given Marvelous a lot to think about...probably too much in the case of Lamotta....whose power, destructiveness, and chin are still not understood by most modern day boxing fans.Thats the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Nightsurf59 2 years ago
well personaly i dont think there are many fighters in any era that could've beat hagler. im so tired of people saying the the fighters of the 50s and 60's could compete with the modern day fighter. the truth is they couldn't. thats like saying NFL teams of the 60's and 70's could compete in todays NFL. athletes today are far stronger and better conditioned than the athletes of the past. Lamotta wouldn't not KO. hagler. Hagler was never K.O'd.
OscarJMarroquin 2 years ago
Oscar, I agree completely. Top athletes of 50 years didn't have the training as they do today. Look at track for example and 4 min. mile. Could never be broken it was thought and now any W.C. runner can. Those guys were as tough as nails to be sure but the elite ones guys today. wouldn't beat the top
calientea2003l 2 years ago
So the three middleweights are the top three heavyweights of all time.
Nuff said, accept the truth.
Face fucking palm.
riskyshotz 2 years ago
your right nuff said. i made a mistake boo who!. you know what i meant. and you also know that list is pretty accurate. Robinson, Hagler, Monzon. after that i would think The Raging Bull would follow. and after that its up for debate.
OscarJMarroquin 2 years ago
MOnzon=Magnificent!
augustusx3 2 years ago
I saw Both Hagler and Monzon, and I think that Hagler was to much for monzon. I think that even B-Hop would have beat monzon by UD.
Domibond007 2 years ago
you dont know what your are talking about,Monzon was THE BEST middke weight ever,hagler was a bum next to monzon
elcalamarense 2 years ago
what???? r u serious. theres no way. Monzon could've beaten Hagler. Monzon was a beast. but a very slow beast. hagler would've won by K.O in 9. period. aside from Robinson. Hagler is the second greatest middleweight of all time. hands down!.
OscarJMarroquin 2 years ago
@elcalamarense You are a real asshole! If all you can do is shoot down great fighters of the past like Hagler, then simply get the fuck off this site!! Simply put, you are a bum!!
ariben9 11 months ago
Monzon predictable. Lead with left jab and right cross every time. It is amazing how mechanical he was and still was effective.
Here is my assessement of how it would have went with the big three
Hagler would have beaten him by decision or late round TKO.
Hearns would have knocked him out with pure fire power. He would never know what hit him
Robinson would have knocked him out. Too much polish, speed and tremendous power.
ballisticbliss 2 years ago
All you need is a good jab and a hard wright hand. Look at wladimir klishco and you see wath I meen
Doderhultarn89 2 years ago
another ignorant ,that shows how biased you are against somebody NOT american,no one did beat him in his day ,stop the comparisson,it was different times and styles,monzon was numero 1 in his day,period!!!he fought EVERYBODY back when you had to be somebody to earn a shot at the title,boxin from the 80's and up it's been a joke.
elcalamarense 2 years ago
AMEN LOL!. I've cut and copied your comment and will simply paste it when these biased blind monzon fans come a knocking. Monzon was a Monster like Frankenstein or the Mummy very strong very tough but too stiff. But if he caught you? Your dead! Speed & slickness definitely his Kryptonite . Hearns would have to be perfect if he gets caught even once he's dead. Robinson & Hagler? Iron Chins I like prime James Toney against him too.
LVSWTZ 2 years ago
Monzon was not stiff? if anything he was very loose, he just fought in the classic, old-fashioned, stand-up manner - you would if you had an enormous reach and a jab like that!
Robinson, Hagler, Hearns, or Toney never fought anyone like Monzon - they wouldnt have got inside of that long jab, if they did that axe-like right and granite chin were waiting.
Dont get me wrong Robinson was the best fighter ever - but not the best Middlewe.ight - that was the `Escopeta'
Danazawa 2 years ago 3
@Danazawa ARE YOU SERIOUS LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
LVSWTZ 1 year ago
Monzon: Class of box.
coldturkey79 2 years ago
Monson best weapons are left jabs and right cross. He seemes to be no footwork and speeed but from this clip he was smart and knew how to avoid opponent's puches so well.
However, I rate Robinson, Hagler, Leonard, Hearns ahead of him.
urs3339 2 years ago
never saw Robinson..
I'd take Monson over the other three..
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
I don't know why I agree with you but I do. There was something about Monzon...... There wasn't anything very special about him, he just won.
lemonite1 2 years ago
Benvenuti, Napoles, Valdez, Griffith were good boxers, but all slow with very little movement in the feet.
Hagler, Leonard, Hearns Robinson who all possessed speed, power and athleticism and boxing ability would TKO'd him
easyscore 2 years ago
Hagler would have destroyed Monzon. Superior athlete and granite jaw. Oh yes, ring generalship and superior boxing ability as well.
easyscore 2 years ago 3
i believe monzon could have beated hagler cause he has the distance and moves.hagler was stron but monzon was very smart and as i told before all his punches delivered the goods.
masterpatric07 2 years ago
Hearns had the distance, and had plenty of moves. His hands and feet were quite a bit faster than Monzon's, too. Hagler was still able to close the distance and do damage. It'd be an interesting fight.
Hagler is by far my favorite fighter, but I'm still not willing to say he'd win hands down.
donteatmulch 2 years ago
great hip movements by monzon and very precise punches he was not wasting enrgy on stupid punches.when he hitted you bet that it hurts.
masterpatric07 2 years ago
Carlos Monzon had the perfect style to deal with sluggers and cutie non-confrontational boxer types. Simply the greatest Middleweight!
judaschongo 2 years ago
なんで途中で切れてんだよ
nanbu555 2 years ago
I can't give monzon the nod based partly on his body. He's got a light heavyweight upper body with welterweight legs. You better believe he has a light heavyweight chin as well. He's more of a freak than a fighter, I'd predict he's not the no. 1 middleweight.
tmotleygoldstein 2 years ago
134being it's obvious to people who actually know something about what it is to be a fighter that YOU are not one AND you dont even know what in the hell you're talking about. any fighter or BOXER would disagree with you completely. in fact MIKE TYSON is on record as saying the only middleweight that WOULD HAVE beaten SUGAR RAY ROBINSON in his PRIME was CARLOS MONZON. hagler was great and no one knows who would've won. but dont disrespect a great champion like carlos. end of chat.
TheChoice264 2 years ago
True but i dnt think he would be able to beat sugar ray Robison
theladysmanbby 2 years ago
Hagler would have done the same thing he did to minter with monzon and probably a lot sooner!
134being 2 years ago
The reason so-called boxing experts rate monzon higher than Hagler is pure racism end of chat!
134being 2 years ago
you are stupid, end of chat!!
PS - end of chat doesnt mean people wont respond to your nonsense.
End of chat!
zoddie 2 years ago 2
left to destroy before they destroy me
Rolo1979 2 years ago
MONZON OVERRATED jajjajaja
chin:10
punch:10
stamina:10
mentality:10
accuracy:10
augustusx3 3 years ago
This and emille griffith which I just watched were my first experiences watching Monzon. prior to viewing I had heard he had a tremendous jab, That didn't even come close to true. Mostly i see a stick legged light in the ass.Can.t slip doesn't block or parry well too many predictable one two combos. Good thing for him he didn't have a hagler Duran or Hearns to deal with. In our heart of hearts all three bring quick and devastating L,s to amateur looking Monzon. Yhis is a myth from the past.
rrdrums110 3 years ago
Regarded by Ring Magazine as the 3rd greatest Middleweight, behind Hagler and Robinson, with only 3 losses in 100 fights beating fighters: Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Nino Benvenuti, Rodrigo Valdez on the way. But I also agree with you, Monzon is good, but is overrated. Personally I would put him as South America's 3rd greatest fighter behind Chavez and well behind Duran. Whatever he did outside of the ring, he was a good boxer, but overrated I think.
Adebay0r 3 years ago
Panama (Duran) and Mexico (Chavez) are both in North America
beenoon 3 years ago 2
Ok Latin America's 3rd greatest fighter ;-)
Adebay0r 3 years ago
Sorry, mate! somebody also had said the same before me!
Toniminoldo 2 years ago
Fair omment, and sorry if I sound pedantic, mate, but please don't copy the (north) Americans in their ignorance of American geography. Chavez is Mexican and Duran Panamean, therefore neither is South American, since both named countries are in CENTRAL America.
Toniminoldo 2 years ago
Mexico is in North America...you guys will figure it out eventually.
HeadlessEye 2 years ago 2
nada mas con ellos, hay que ser relaistas monzon fue un exelente boxeador pero pocos rivales de calidad, fue alos que se enfrento
eltrovador1 3 years ago
Es que el los hacia ver como peleadores de poca calidad.
dylemma 2 years ago
monzon apesar q era medio lento y le dolian las manos,tiraba bombazos y con muy buena punteria,no era de desperdiciar golpes,y ademas muy estrategico.
micr80 3 years ago 2
Desde mucho tiempo intento de haber la pelea entre Monzon y Tonna .. ( Tonna es mi primo hermano)
quien pudiera ayudarme ?
algunos tendras las imagenes de este momento ?
argentin 3 years ago
monzon kos roy no chin jones easy wake up all you haters you cant tell by these old videos my rap back to roy jones now we can forget roy jones the boxings big ego idiot !!!!glenn leslie
toughglenn 3 years ago
we have good boxeadore like marks maidana, Sergio Martinez and hugo garay! there are some good videos of them
titin1978136 3 years ago
Monzon era un grande,aunque a veces parece que no le dan el merito que merece,napoles era un gran boxeador,cubano de nacimiento y mexicano por adopcion,afortunadamente estos grandes peleadores siempre seran recordados por los que vieron sus peleas y por los que como yo,los conocieron en video,el buen boxeo siempre sera asi no importa el pais del que lo ejecute,arriba del ring es donde se forjan leyendas,Monzon quiza es para argentina lo que Chavez es para mi pais
MaskedNaco 3 years ago
i'd liek 2 c either of these guys or a prime hagler,hearns,leonard against prime gene fullmer,ruff stong guy hu wud press them to fight very close n bull them into ropes,jmo
xylofish1 3 years ago
Hubiese sido fantástico que la historia hubiese juntado a Hagler, Hopkins y Monzon. Hoy en día serían peleas clásicas grandiosas, Hopkins v Hagler, Hopkins v Monzon, Hagler v Monzón.
DonRodo7 3 years ago
Eso es lo que digo. Hagler no tuvo rivales de cuidado. Los que enfrentó eran más pequeños. No se como pueden decir que tuvo grandes rivales y que Monzón y que no tuvo buena competencia. Por favor'' Acaso Fulgencio Obelmejías fue un gran peso mediano? O Martillo Roldan? Caveman Lee? Puros paquetes.
davimar85 3 years ago
Si Hagler fue tan bueno, por que no subió entonces a pelear con Spinks o con Holmes? Por que eran muy grandes para el? Y entonces por que si pelió con pesos menores? Adem{as parece que los admiradores de hagler no le dan importanmcia al peso. hagler peleó con pesos menores y el mejor peso mediano que enfrentó fue Hamsho y Obelmejías, unos don nadies
davimar85 3 years ago
A Obelmejías lo hicieron a fuerza de enfrentarlo con paquetes. Incluso una vez descubrieron que Rafito Cedeño (Su promotor) lo enfrentò con un tipo que trabajaba en un Barco como descargador o algo así. Era un tal si mal no recuerdo. Por eso lucía tanto. Hasta que enfrentó a Hagler, que era bastante bueno (es verdad) y se acabó el mito de Fully Obel.
calucho71 3 years ago
look theirs no way Monzon had Better competition than Hagler ! Tommy would beat that ass ! Monzon was good but he never face a boxer like Hearns ! Valdez was the only one ! Valdez was good but he was no Tommy Hearns !
chanoc33 3 years ago
valdez was stronger as a middle than hearns,watch some of his fights
xylofish1 3 years ago
you might be right ! but what may Hearns so dangers was his speed & that right hand ! if valdez would got hit with that right hand he would drop ! & there's no way Valdez would got close to Hearns, Hearns jab would set that right hand as Valdez would try to coming !
chanoc33 3 years ago
Monzon was a lot like Margarito. A tall lanky fighter that just hunted his opponents down.
BufordStone 3 years ago
Marvin Hagler would've ate Monzon alive. Even after one of his fights, Hagler was tired of calling out Hugo Corro and Monzon
fontanero781 3 years ago
but hagler's was a different age am I wrong? wasn't hagler younger than monzon I mean the prime time of monzon was before the hagler's am I wrong I dont know to much you say hagler kept challenging monzon and he didn't want to face him?
FONSANTA 3 years ago
yeah bro you're wrong.
boxingjessie 3 years ago
You are right. They have also said that Valdés was scared to face hagler in about 1977. But Valdés was not afraid to face Monzon. The press say a lot of things that are just not true, and not logical.
calucho71 3 years ago
What happened to Napoles' defense? Did he think Monzon didn't punch hard? He took some shots! No matter how many times I watch Monzon I'm still struck by how awkward and ungainly he appears. Nothing smooth at all about his style...but he always came out on top. Great fighter.
Kedbuka 3 years ago
Nuevo campeon del mundo argentino. Hugo "pigu" Garay, campeon mundial peso MEDIO PESADO de la AMB !!
canayaRo 3 years ago
Carlos Monzon: el mejor mediano que hubo jamás
devorik3931 3 years ago
A Carlos Monzon-Marvin Hagler fight would have been great,I think Monzon would have moved and jabbed and settled for a 15 round decision over Hagler.
DaveSmithjr 3 years ago
Remember that Avalon Hill game Title Bout? Great fun for pitting guys across eras. Their Hagler was underrated, though (his ratings done in 1980, I think), and my Monzon-Hagler ended with Hagler unable to come out for the second or third after Monzon caught him big in the first. My Monzon-Sugar Ray Robinson ended with Robinson W 15 after Monzon had Robinson in trouble in the middle rounds.
schmoop14 3 years ago
Thank you! I can't believe the commentator is comparing Griffith with Monzon! Monzon was great Griffith was steady a good all rounder but not from outer space like Monzon! Monzon was a lock for one of the top 3 middleweights ever!
AdamantiumSimian 4 years ago
Gran Boxeador el mantequilla Napoles que desgracia que fue tambien victima del sindrome del boxeador mexicano alcoholico.
PELAO4169 4 years ago
con los boxeadores argentinos pasa lo mismo. Creo que el hecho de que muchos sean alcoholicos o drogacictos tiene que ver con sus origenes humildes e ignorantes
Elcygnus 3 years ago
Monzon fue un boxeador efectivo, Leonard fue un boxeador que tuvo muchos "regalitos" tal como cuando boxeo ganando el titulo ante Dom Ladome (canadiense) que le faltaba parte de la clavicula en 1989, todo para que ganara el titulo, Hagler el mas completo y de mejor manejo de ring, Tomas Hearns, explosivo. hay que comparar entre contemporaneos, sino discutiremos de por vida...como si fue mejor Casius Clay o Marciano. Personalmente para mi el gran campeon del siglo en la categoria : Marvin Hagler.
flagship66 4 years ago
Si, Leonard se adjudicó 2 robos: Hagler y Hearns 2. A Hagler no le hizo ningún daño, lo bailó y lo tocó solo para impresionar al público... y Hearns (2) lo tumbó 2 veces. El gran Carlos Monzon, despues de ver la pelea Leonard-Hagler dijo: "ESA PELEA LA GANÓ HAGLER, NO LEONARD".
widema74 4 years ago 2
Coincido plenamente con tus dichos, asi tal cual fue el enfrentamiento Hagler-Leonard, Leonard hizo gala de velocidad dando una seguidilla de golpecitos en el abdomen de Hagler...golpes a los que Hagler sonrio, ya que ni los sintio...haciendo gala de sus fortalecidos musculos. El rostro de Leonard evidenciaba el verdadero resultado de la pelea . Saludos Widema74 , vimos la misma pelea
flagship66 4 years ago
....grande CARLOS MONZON...le hubiera ganado a hagler, que arreglo su combate con leonard, para retirarse con varios millones de dolares en el bolsillo, y al que habla que de la hoya le rompio la cara a j.c.chavez, es cierto, pero le gano cuando este venia en bajada...de la hoya perdió con todos los buenos que enfrentó....arriba monzón...viva chile y martín vargas....aguante morumbi....
rolandoen 4 years ago
Hagler vs Leonard: El robo del siglo.
widema74 4 years ago
ya que estan en youtube por que no miran la pelea de hagler vs leonard... creo que monzon nunca se comio un baile semejante.... ya que quieren comparar...ahhh y nunca perdio en una defensa.
adrianrgv 4 years ago
Carlos Monzón a la fecha es el mejor mediano de la historia del boxeo... les gano a todos, 14 defensas, no habia nadie que le pueda ganar.
Gracias Carlos x esas peleas en las que se paraba el pais para verlo pelear.
JoseLopez2222 4 years ago
Listo, Chaguino, no hablemos mas. No tenes idea de boxeo. Godoy era chileno, no argentino, y Duran perdio por decision con Esteban de Jesus, pero luego lo noqueo en 11. Y en las dos peleas cayo en el primer round. Eso demuestra que peleaba de verdad.Para discutir hay que saber.
cabezonpit 4 years ago
Así que no desmerezcan a Monzón diciendo pelotudeces porque pareciera que en los 70' no hubo boxeadores medianos, y eso no fue así... había grandes peleadores, sólo que no podían con el Negro.
YPEC 4 years ago
Además Monzón nunca estuvo sentido en una pelea.. solamente Valdez lo tiró por accidente en la última pelea de su carrea, con lo que se dió cuenta que ya era hora del retiro pq no era el mismo. Hagler se cansó de desafiarlo en los 80' pq no se bancaba que le dijeran que Monzón había sido el mejor mediano de los 70', pero Monzón ya estaba viejo para ese momento. Por algo al negro Hagler le quitaba el sueño... pregúntenselo sino.
YPEC 4 years ago
yo fui desde siempre admirador de monzon pero creo q t equivocas en eso de k nunca estuvo sentido en la pelea q tuvo con benny briscoe en el luna monzon recibio un derechazo que le hizo mirar el reloj a carlos y a lo cual el declaro q no miraba el reloj sino a cualquier parte pk no sabia donde estaba parado luego se recupero y pudo ganar solo briscoe le hizo pasar un mal momento a monzon
demeyrox 3 years ago
Yo no creo que Hagler lo hubiera matado a Monzón, habida cuenta de que no era un boxeador técnicamente dotado. La virtud de Hagler era la absorsión de los golpes y la fuerza de pegada. Monzón tenía una buena virtud que era el manejo de distancia.. planteaba las peleas a su distancia y no permitía que se le acercaran jamás, y no veo pq no habría podido hacerlo con Hagler.
YPEC 4 years ago
En cambio si admiro de tu País a "Arturo Godoy" que le dió 2 tremendas peléas a Joe Louis, Tambien a "Firpo" que para mi había noqueado a "Dempsey" pero lo ayudaron.
Y esto no viene en Internet "cabezón", ay tu dices si se algo de Box o No.
chaguino 4 years ago
Que tal "Cabezón", de Duran ya te respondí, Esteban de Jesus le ganó siendo Ligero y lo tumbó en el primer Round.Yo no le quito meritos Monzón solo digo que era un mal peleador y que le tocó la época de ausencia de buenos pesos Medios.
chaguino 4 years ago
chaquno, como es que por 7 anios (enie) no hubo buenos medianos? en esa epoca no habia tantas organizaciones, el campeon peleaba con los mejores. Monzon les peleo a todos y de vsitante.
canayaRo 4 years ago
Changuito por favor¡¡¡ la época de malos boxeadores le tocó a Marvin hagler. Fijate que Monzon enfrento a grandes como Valdes que nokeo a Briscoe en 7, mientras que Hagler necesito decision. Monzon le ganaba a Hagler hasta con botas negras¡¡¡