Some people doesn't believe of GOD's existence because they don't want to follow the God's morale standard and perhaps they want to create there own morale standard that fit to their own life style and way of living!
@sinnerxxxxxxxxx We simply do not believe in God because we do not condone slavery, hate, intolerance and ignorance. That is simply it. Our morals are based upon accepted values that have been discussed, agreed upon and universally correct(e.g. murder, rape, slavery..etc.). We don't base our morality from a poorly written book which contradicts itself, and promotes hate, slavery, sexism, murder etc. Read your bible very closely before making claims about morality please. And your grammar sucks.
@sinnerxxxxxxxxx You're right, I don't believe in god because I don't want to be a baby killing faggot hater. Sorry that I don't live up to your moral standards :(
@sinnerxxxxxxxxx I believe the word you're looking for is "moral", not "morale". I have more morals than your supposed god. I've never been the cause of genocide, I haven't flooded the entire world to get rid of a creation of mine that was misbehaving, I've never sacrificed one of my own for the "betterment" of mankind. Even if I had the power to do that, I wouldn't. Your god is capricious, malevolent, and just simply evil.
No other book in history has anything compared to the bible which is filled with scientific and medical facts, thousands of fulfilled prophecies and history & archaeology attest to it's reliability. 1st of the ten commandments I Am the Lord your God you shall have no other "gods" before me. The buddists man never claimed to be god ne ways.
@Atheist Autopsy, Flew is NOW a Deist. Flew has moved to Deism and away from his Atheism. Craig has remained firm in his beliefs. You doubt Craig had anything to do with that? Really? You'd have us believe that Flew dedicated a major part of his intellectual life debating this subject with his rival, changed his position and these debates had NOTHING to do with it? How then did he come into agreement with Craig that a God does exist? Talk about "illogical' arguments!
@AtheistAutopsy Great enough to destroy Oxford Professor, Antony Flew in debates. So much so, that after arguing for Aatheism for over 50 years, Flew now believes the existance of God must be considered.
Well..to each their own. Personally, I believe in the God of the Bible..in Jesus Christ coming to save us from ourselves, and in Heaven, and a Hell. For me, the issue is simple. If evolutionists are right,,,then I have Nothing to Lose. If Christians are right, then you better prepare yourself for something horrible you cant explain. So, for me, accepting Jesus, and living according to his word, its a win-win. :) G'DAY!!
@techytech1 what if buddhists are right? what if god is a god who only let's people into heaven who follow scientific evidence where it leads? then you do have something to lose. What you present is pascals wager, which is a fallacy. And even if christianity is correct, the christian god is one I wouldn't want to be close to. I don't want to live in a world where stoning people who work on a sabbath, hating homosexuals, slavery etc... is acceptable.
If Kirk actually did science (instead of only just critiquing evolution as all creationists do)..he should go and find the fossils of that crockaduck and he would instantly disprove evolution because evolution can not produce such a creature...
You are a transition from your parents to your kids, and you are slightly different from your parents, and your kids will be slightly different from you. If a certain difference is advantageous then any individuals with this will have an advantage and therefore be able to reproduce more. If this goes one for long enough the generation further down the line would be unable to reproduce with earlier generations and therefore be a different species.
whats hilarious is that they dont even realize that if the "crockoduck" was found, it would DISPROVE evolution not prove it. evolution would never allow for a creature that is a mixture of 2 modern species.
Tiktaalik is a good transitional fossil, Aronra's Founditional falsehoods of creationism has an excellent bit on the seperation between canine and feline lines and the two almost identical in appearance between the earliest basal clade. Even today we have Ring species and the nylon eating bacteria. If this isn't proof I don't know what is........... Also dripping doves blood on a leper will not cure them.
Oh jeez... evolution doesn't happen over a single generation... silly Kirk. And as far as finding LIVING transitional creatures... well, we can't know that they are transitional until the new creature has already evolved, which means that the transitional creature is DEAD by then, unless perhaps if its a turtle. Thanks for the circular logic, Kirk.
They said they were going to prove the existence of God and then they completely changed the subject and started challenging the theory of evolution. I WANT TO SEE THE PROOF OF GOD! And these atheists were completely sucked into their bate and switch. Where's the real debate?
They said they were going to prove the existence of God and then they completely changed the subject and started challenging the theory of evolution. I WANT TO SEE THE PROOF OF GOD!
this host is a moron, who even put him there? A transitional form isnt a being that transformed from one specie into another during his liftime. What an idiot.
wikipedia transitional fossils and you will find hundreds of fossils, so he proved his point. religious people should educate themselves before judging other people.
These people on the Left of the screen still did not come up with a single example of a transitional fossil. They sound pathetic as they walk around the circle they created.
Ray and Kirk don't even debate, they just ignore the criticisms and wait for a chance to launch into another set piece of nonsense designed to convince people who don't understand evolution either.
To me atheism is just as much a religion as christianity. Christians believe there is a God and their God is the right God. Atheists believe there is no God and totally cancel out the possibility that there could be a God, and they feel they are right. Yet they cannot disprove there being a God so therefore its a possibility. If we all could just be humble and say "we know what we believe " as opposed to "we know what's absolutely true" this world would be a better place.
@quote55 If atheism is a religion atleast its religion has proof and evidence to go by instead of following blindly into nothing. There is no way that you could possibly know if a creator exists or not. You weren't there when he made the universe or whenever the universe originated. All you know is that we're here and you trust some old book that claims the creator of the universe inspired it. Yet it is a fact it was written by men.You believe what you want. Ill stick with reality thank you.
@quote55 U know what man, u were right.Excuse me for mouthing off. Yes you are right. Religions believe in unprovable deities,set statutes and morals biased to their own beliefs,and sell God to everyone.Atheism is much different than a religion. We give them the evidence to observe,agree or refute,all in hopes to expand our knowledge.Not give them baseless claims and threaten eternal suffering for questioning their supposed "absolute" truth that they don't know is true or not.
wrong, atheism is the absence of a belief. As long as there is no solid proof of the existence of gods and other supernatural forces I'll maintain that they probably don't exist
However, both atheism and theism are a form of agnostic thought, as neither "knows" if there is or isn't supernatural forces; theists simply choose to believe in the existence of such entities, this is why it's called "faith" not "fact"
@sexyAllen4u agnostic and atheist isn't mutually exclusive. you can be an agnostic atheist, gnostic atheist, agnostic theist, and a gnostic theist. Atheism isn't a belief, it's the lack of a belief. If I ask you: "do you believe in a god?" and you say yes, you're a theist. anything else, including "I don't know", and you're an atheist.
Those scientists aren't joking when they say it takes millions of years. It takes a species literally thousands of generations. Its not about two different animals fucking to make a hybrid freak. Those guys are fucking retards.
@jdmceo1 There's the Archaeopteryx for example. Or mud skippers as Viconiuz pointed out. Technically every fossil is a transition. But that's only if natural selection happens. That's all I was trying to say.
@TekLok Ok. I don't see it like that, but you are entitled to you own opinion. Me personally, I don't see any evidence of any transitional fossils. One question, why have humans not evolved into anything else?
@jdmceo1 Well obviously you aren't paying attention then. Because of our advanced technology now natural selection is barely happening for us. We can adapt to our environments by manipulating them. When it gets too cold we build a fire for example.
@TekLok No I'm paying plenty of attention. I just don't believe in the evolution non-sense. There has been no animal who has evolved into anything else (I don't believe ever) sense humans have lived on Earth. Why has it just stopped all of a sudden? Because it never happened. Dude, how can someone believe that intelligence on Earth today was just by chance. I know your gonna say something like, well it has evolved into what it is know over billions of years.
@jdmceo1 No you are just accepting reality as you see fit regardless of evidence. You clearly don't understand evolution. No one is claiming that an animal can just morph into a new one on the spot. Its not a fucking instant process. You are wasting my time now.
@TekLok What you see today didn't just happen by chance. I am assuming that you believe in the big bang theory? Ask yourself this, if the big bang theory is correct, which says that molecules ran into each other and created llife as we know it after these billions of years, then why if you blow up a nuclear bomb, the result isn't order? You wont see a beautiful park or city skyline , for example, emerge from the ruble. Its the same concept bro.
@TekLok I didn't say you guys said it was instant. Either way, whatever you say, we were created from GOD. I was insisting that you can't create out of chaos, or a big bang. You are just like everyother non GOD believing person with you name calling. Just because I don't believe the non-sense you are saying doesn't make me a f@#$%& moron. I get so sick of trying to tell you guys what I believe and you guys start acting like little teenagers and start name calling. GROW UP! I'm done!
@TekLok Wrong. You will see one day. I hope you realize the truth before then. You guys think we are just in this to argue. Little do you know, we want to see everyone go to Heaven and know one to go to Hell. I know you think thats stupid, but it's true! God bless!!!
martin bashir is a christian, its pretty obvious who's side he's on, he never interrupts kirk cameron and ray comfort, EVER! but he is constantly doing it to the atheists, they shouldve gotten a moderator who's beliefs were anonymous, because its 3 against 2. And the atheists still prove their point better
@coalch13 - Eh. I honestly thought Martin was an atheist. lol. A few Christians think that too because his questions were pretty hard. Did you listen to the first two of his questions?
I guess he did a good job of keeping whatever he believed a secret.
This just shows that Kirk Cameron knows absolutely nothing about evolution. What Brian was trying to say was that evolution is an ONGOING process. if you take two fossils from two points along the evolutionary timeline, every fossil between them IS a trasitional form. H. Erectus is a transition form between A. Africanus and H. Sapiens. They each are a complete species, and one species acts as a transition between previous and later species.
@stillwater215 Exactly its all about the range of evolution before a species would no longer be able to reproduce with its ancestors, how ever far back.
@stillwater215 But what Kirk was trying to point out is how we have not observed this transition to prove it can happen. Just because an animal adapts certain characterisitics by no means does that give us proof that it came from another species.
@sexyAllen4u It does. Just because we can't observe something happening before our eyes doesn't mean we cant prove it. If a detective comes at the crime scene after a murder has happened, he can still persecute the criminal for the EVIDENCE found on the scene. Because we cannot see evolution before our eyes it doesn't mean that we can't prove evolution.
' Red heads got a Micro brain...nah she's so up herself with ape like idea's..oh thats right she's got a Brian = another angry neandathol..Do they even know where Canada is?..why is he so angry about ignorance..is it that he's ignorant.i see he's transitioning his red head tnite..if you know what i mean..haha..evolution smellolution crapsalution.." The truth shall set you free "
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Just change the definition of God every time science makes a new discovery.
God made Adma in a day? nope evolution took millions of years. That doesnt disprove it, just claim that this is what you meant in the first place.
The earth is flat and was made in six days? The sun orbits the earth? humans have free will? Absolute morality exists? Evolution is just a theory? The big bang cant have happened? Adultery is a sin? slavery is ok?
have each claim disproven and just claim its still true.
Kirk Cameron EPIC FAIL and as for brain's argument for we are all a transitional form is we as humans is, we as we breed one generation to another we grow and change to a point where humans(as we know them) may not the top form of life
This is why I HATE Martin Brashear...he is worse than the banana boys! Everything he says shows bias, he's an awful moderator for any sort of debate, and its not just this, his whole report on Michael Jackson show's institutional bias. IMO Martin Brashear is probably one of the worst journalists alive today (aside from Geraldo Rivera)
transitional fossil in the way the Kirk present is impassable the transition happens as offspring are produced the child is different from the parents and as the child will produce offspring that are different from it self the child with the traits that are best suited for survival will pass it genetic information to more of it off spring
How many times does the moderator have to ask the same question before the "Rational Responders" get it??? LOL Belief in macroevolution and microevolution are 2 different things and how can you not walk a mile taking one step at a time is a CLOSE ENDED question which isn't the same analogy as the difference between belief in mutations among species and one species evolving to become another species.
my dad never had acne when he was a teen, my mother did, i have a zit on my chin, evolution?
seriously, read about the theory of evolution before making baseless claims
as for the crockoduck or however you want to spell it, go to australia you dumb cunt.
also for the idiots that want to reply to what i said, im not saying the crockoduck exists im saying there are animals of different forms - ever hear of a dingo?
here's an illustration, try to get a small stone, pinch size... then put it in your palm and roll it over and over... try to imagine that stone was the earth, then there's the people in it, as your rotate it, try to imagine the relativity of your time and and the time of the rotation of that stone, you see, if you were in that small stone, millisecond would be a one rotation, but if you were the person rolling the stone, its just second per10 rotation
why do we need knowledge of things that have nothing to do with our existence
and i think that its plain stupid that two professional researches were put up against someone who doesnt know shit on that subject 0 stars absolute rubish right here
@maclectic what do you expect one is an actor so he's used tro puttinmg on a show for people. thats the only feasable reason for him to even do this he couldnt get no other acting gigs so they pay him to be his retarded self
man the rational responders really need to brush up on their biology. I can answer the questions asked better than them and I just started by undergrad degree in biology.
@lundenmetal i literally nearly pissed myself. I find it amazingly depressing that there are religious people out there who really really truely believe that evolution proof means finding a crocoduck.... that really shows the failure of scientific literacy of this planet :(
Just warning of the wrath that is to come. Unless you repent, you will perish. Lies, blasphemies, fornication, adultery, etc... MUST be punished. Hope you trust Christ, and turn.
Everyone has lied & sinned, so righteous God must execute justice and punish all with eternal hellfire. The good news is, JESUS WANTS TO FORGIVE, KNOW, CHANGE, AND LOVE YOU. So He took your punishment on the cross, resurrected, and rules in heaven now. Believe in and follow Jesus, and thus be a new creature, and under grace and not law, and love people the way Jesus has loved you. When you are mature in the faith and hear the calling, reach out to those who don't know Christ, and thus are lost.
Sorry Scooter but unti you can prove sin exists, it does not. Simply quoting from your holy book of horrors is not evidenc, that is called circular reasoning.
The same goes for a soul & an afterlife. Until you can provide empirical data to substantiate your claims, it remains mythology. Sorry to inject facts & ask for demonstrable evidence, but that is how I roll.
*snicker*
Again, quoting from your holy book of horrors means no more to me than a Hindu quoting from the Vedas to you.
Sin is when you lie, insult God, lust, steal, or anything else. Are you OK with child molesters and rape?
Just Google, "Stephen Hawking Universe Implodes" and click on the first link. Empirical evidence of time travel in the Bible. Only the Bible does this. Not the Vedas, or Koran. It's the signature of God.
Every time you insult God, it shortens his patience for you (u die faster), and stores up more wrath for judgment day. You know sin is wrong. You are without excuse.
Sorry Scooter but you have not proven that sin exists. All you have done is regurgitate religious nonsense & citing Christian apologetic websites only proves your ignorance. Sorry to break it to you but pseudoscience is not science.
Sin is part of the god construct, as is a soul, an afterlife, etc., none of these things can be proven, ergo they are faith based assumptions. Period. As for your threats, I am not moved by them anymore than I am moved by the threats of any other cult member.
Look up "Handwaving". Rather than address the evidence I presented, you engaged in handwaving, hoping to bluff that you know what you're saying.
"Sin is part of the god construct" you say? So are you cool with child molestation? Are you down with drugging a lady and raping her? Do you get women pregnant, and then bravely run away? Are all of the above "sin construct" or evil selfishness, which hurts others? Answer this.
"The fool has said in his heart, there is no God." says the Bible.
I again ask for empirical evidence of sin. Bad, immoral, antisocial behaviors, is not evidence of sin. Suggesting that because one does not believe that sin exists, that they must then believe in being immoral or antisocial, is beyond ignorance & bigotry. Lastly Scooter, you did not provide evidence, you cited an apologist webiste. It is not peer reviewed science. As for bible thumping, I am no more moved by it, than you would be by a Muslim spewing bullshit from the qur'an.
"Sin" is spoken of as fact in the Bible, and only the Bible has empirical evidence of time reversals per the top hit when "Stephen hawking universe implodes" is googled. Thus the Bible bears the signature of God.
Again. You did not read the evidence I gave.
Again, "you cited" what you learned in your atheist upbringing. U proved nothing. Only handwaving. Easy to look good, but requires no brains.
You are still storing up wrath for yourself for judgment day with your blasphemy.
Holy shit, how many times must it be explained to you that the bible is not empirical evidence for anything. It is a book of faith. It is not a science book. Claiming the holy book of horrors is truth because it says it is truth, is called circular reasoning. And once again, the cite your sourced is an apologetic site. It is not peer reviewed, it is not scientific. It is the site of a religious person using pseudoscience NOT science.
Go ahead and "peer review" it. Name the sentence in the history and Bible verses where the logic breaks, and error begins.
How many times must I explain it to you, that you saying something, and not backing it up, doesn't count for anything. So you don't believe the Bible is anything. Prove it. You asked for proof, I gave it, now find the break in the logic.
Humanism is also a religion with a creation cosmology, churches, clergy, high preists, martyrs. You have a lot of faith in atheism!
You obviously have no idea what peer review is or means. You also have no clue what pseudoscience is & real science. You are the typical godbot who uses logical fallacies & spews apologetic nonsense. I do not have to prove a negative Scooter. You, just like the Muslim, the Jew, the Hindu, the ghost hunter, the one who claims alien abductions, etc., have to prove your absurd claims. And once again you failed miserably.
Don't you think theologians peer review work amongst themselves? It's been reviewed.
The article I pointed you to says it was sent to Stephen Hawking for review. Hawking never commented. If it's so easy to discredit, why won't anyone do it? If no atheists comment even when it is offered, is it my problem?
Unless you repent, you will perish.
Go on, tell me where the logic breaks. This is worth 100 hours of your life man. I don't want you to go to hell. Why go?
Hawking is not in the business of answering every religious nutbag who writes him a letter full of absurd pseudoscience & religious bullshit. It would be never ending.
All Mr. Cramer has to do it get his supposed science, peer reviewed. He will become instantly world famous, win the Nobel Peace Prize & have an endless supply of money to study the new fields of science which would obviously be created. We both know why Mr. Cramer cannot get his, "work," peer reviewed don't we?
1) More handwaving. Read it, and tell us how the history and logic fail. If it's so easy, do it.
2) It should take a genius like Hawking 10 minutes to take it apart. Why not do it? What's so hard?
2) I've seen other atheists concede the math works, and give up and go home when they see the evidence at the first link when "Stephen hawking universe implodes" is googled. Also, Muslims concede that the math works, and that the like does not exist in the Koran.
Anyone can make unsubstantiated claims. Anyone can offer personal anecdotes. BUT the simple fact is, Mr. Cramer cannot get his work peer reviewed. All your "handwaving," cannot make this go away. You know it, I know it.
As for you assuming that I was not once a Christ cult member, shame on you. I was not only a Christ cult member for over 30 yrs, but I was also a pastor, evangelist, missionary, apologist & teacher.
Remember, when you assume you make an ASS out of U not ME.
Cramer is just reporting on the work of Grant Jeffrey. If you had read the first result when "Stephen Hawking Universe Implodes" is googled like I asked you to, you would know that.
Also, Cramer bases his claim for the 70 weeks prophecy on the work of Sir Robert Anderson who wrote "The Coming Prince."
Why so insulting? If you are rich without Christ, where's the magnanimity and patience and generosity for me?
You have once again missed the point entirely. If this hypothesis were demonstrable, if it were able to be proven empirically, it would without a doubt, go through the peer review system & be validated. The reason that it has not been peer reviewed & validated is because it is not science. It is pseudoscience. If you cannot grasp this, if you cannot accept this, there is no reason to continue. As for me not being patient, I am very patient. Just because I laugh at or mock liars, does not mean I
1) Just because claims are empirical does not mean that they NECESSARILY MUST go through peer review. You say that as if once a claim is empirical, a black hole of "peer review" spontaneously pulls on it as if a natural law in and of itself.
Scooter you do not have to debate me. You can run & hide like your ilk always does. However, I will jump through your hoops this one time. Ready?............
On my honor I am not lying or making stuff up.
*snicker*
Talk about childish. I have no reason to lie to you or anyone else about my Christ cult membership. I am not an anomoly. I am not the first or only person to escape the Christ cults. Google, "Dan Barker."
Also, most atheists I know are ex Christ cult members.
am not being patient. Just because I point out when someone is lying, either out of ignorance or calculation, it does not mean I do not have peace. Please put away your martyr's suit. Your ilk regurgitates apologetic absurdities & when they are exposed as such, you cry foul. You then claim persecution & the fulfillment of prophecy via Mt 5:10-11. However with that said, if I apply your rule of measure to Jerry Falwell, he must not have known Christ as he blamed 9/11 on women's rights activists,
2) The "Scientific Method" means a) use your experience to consider the problem b) form a hypothesis c) assume a prediction d) test to falsify. Just because the subject studied is not a physical science like Chemistry or Physics, does not necessarily make the study of it using the Scientific Method any less scientific. You can study the Bible's claims scientifically.
3) God will not judge the damned on what Christians said or did. He judges the lost for their sins.
You again exposed your ignorance. Science does not nor can it, at this point in time, address supernatural phenomenon. Science can prove that supposed tools which, "prove" ghosts exist, are pseudoscience, but science cannot prove ghosts do not exist.
As for "god" judging, "sins," before I buy into this nonsense, you must not only prove god exists, but that sin exists.
Science can measure whether the Bible verses at the first link when "stephen hawking universe implodes" is googled.
You are hardly one to say if that evidence for anything is empirical OR factual OR anything, given you won't read it and judge for yourself.
When I asked, "Did you know the Lord?" you said what amounted to "No" which means either you were never a christian, or that you have a reprobate heart that will lie any lie to look good.
Once again you have deflected. How sad for you that you cannot stay on topic & that you must always avoid, deflect, distract, etc., instead of staying on topic.
You made an accusation of me & I clearly & consicely refuted it. I exposed not only the intellectual dishonesty of the accusation, but also the hypocrisy of it. All you can do now is set up another lie for yourself in order to keep validating yourself. I truly pity you for your lack of integrity & character.
As for me saying, "No" to your question, you just again proved you cannot be intellectually honest. I clearly & concisely stated that I not only believed I knew the lord, I believed he spoke to me. I believed, as did others, that I had the gifts of the spirit, ie, talking in tongues, interpretating tongues, healing, prophecy, etc..
You can call me names all you like but it does not change the facts of my life. How sad for you that you must live your life in this manner.
the ACLU, homosexuals, etc. Pat Robertson must not know Christ as he asked for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. Billy Graham must not have known Christ as he was caught on the Nixon tapes making antisemetic comments. And lastly you must not know Christ because you are mocking the facts of my life. I have not lied to you but because I do not agree with you anymore, you assume I have either lied or you apply the logical fallacy, "No True Scotsman." Simply put, you sir, are a hypocrite & a fraud.
I do sleep well. The reason I sleep well, other than the facts I already presented, is also due to the fact that I no longer have to lie to myself in order to validate my faith. I no longer have to twist & tweak reality. I am allowed to be 100% intellectually honest. no more worrying if I was in the right Christ cult or had chosen the right Jesus. Or if I was using the right holy book of horrors. Or if I was teaching the right doctrines. I have complete peace since I escaped the Jesus cults.
Also, you have again proven that you do not know what the scientific peer review process is, how it works & functions & what its purpose is. Another failure on your part.
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And once again your attempts at extortion fall on deaf ears. I am not frightened by your mythical eternal torture chamber. I am not moved by your holy book of horrors or the main character within, ie the tyrannical megalomaniacal, genocidal, temper tantrum throwing prick that you call, god.
Your god thingy has yet to punish me Scooter. I am sorry to let you down. I know that you need to believe this because it makes you feel better about yourself. If I am being punished by your god, then bring it on because my life is very fulfilling. I am surrounded by family & friends who love me dearly. I have all that I need emotionally, mentally, physically, & pretty much all of my materialistic desires are met. I am by no means rich but I live quite comfortably & am happy with my toys.
It is so sad that in the information age, people of your ilk continue to study subjectively. It does not matter how many Christian apologetic sites your cite, they cannot possibly sway me anymore than a Muslim, Hindu, Zoroastrian apologetic site will sway you. Apologetics is nothing but bias rationliazations. They are not empirical truths, they are not objective data, they are not based in reality.
When you realize why you deny the gods of others, you will realize why I deny your sick god.
The Bible does say that in the last days, "knowledge will increase".
"Understand, ye brutish among the people: and [ye] fools, when will ye be wise? He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?"
Psalms 94:8-9
Your positions are unfalsifiable, since you demand proof, but won't read it.
The holy book of horrors says many things. None of which are believed universally even within the Christ cults. So once again, try to get it through your closed minded, bigoted, hypocritical head that you do not move me nor impress me with your cherry picking.
Knowing the "Lord," is impossible because there are too many to choose from. Your ilk always claim they are using proper hermeneutics, exegesis, interpolation, etc., yet none can agree universally on one doctrine or one Jesus.
4) When you volunteered that you have abandoned a mature Christian life, I asked if you ever knew the Lord. Your answer, "Knowing the 'Lord,' is impossible because there are too many to choose from," tells me you were never a Christian because 1 John 5:20 and John 17:3 say eternal life is knowing Christ.
5) "hermeneutics, exegesis" and the like are rules for interpreting scripture. You follow rules of grammar, and context. Should there not be MORE rules for the Bible to prevent fraud?
MY response was post mortem if you will. When I was a Christ cult member I believed that I not only knew the "lord," but that we spoke to each other via the holy spirit. I believed I talked in tongues, interpreted tongues, healed the sick, prophecied, etc.. Sorry but you again failed miserably. Never assume as it makes an ASS out of U not ME.
As for exegesis & hermeneutics, you mised the point. EVERY cult leader claims they use proper exegesis & hermeneutics but there is no UNIVERSAL doctrine
@IaintNoGood - Though there is disagreement about what bible doctrine is, the parable at Matthew 25:14 shows us that a quitters attitude of giving up and doing nothing is unacceptable. 2 Timothy 2:15 also tells us there is a correct findable way to discover "universal doctrine" despite your quitting.
Sorry Scooter but you are simply giving me YOUR personal interpretation. This interpretation of YOURS is not universally accepted. How does this simple fact keep escaping you?
There is not ONE, not ONE, universal Christian doctrine. You can quote all the scripture you want but it is meaningless. It is as meaningless to me as me quoting the Vedas to you would be. You cannot prove one of your statements & you cannot prove any of your verses. Sorry but this is a fact which is why you have faith
No Christ cult member can prove that there doctrine is FACT. This is why there are so many Jesuses. One Jesus saves ONLY through grace. Another Jesus saves ONLY through works. Another Jesus saves ONLY through water baptism. Another Jesus saves ONLY through holy ghost baptism. Etc., etc., ad infinitum. All cults claim the one & only TRUE exegesis & hermeneutics.
@IaintNoGood - If you "Ain't no good", how can anyone trust anything you say about the Bible, Christ, sin, heaven, or hell?
You claim to have been "pastor, evangelist, missionary, apologist & teacher" before leaving the faith. Prove it. Name at least two textual traditions where the identity of the Messiah is consistently God.
You have added to the crimes you are guilty of on judgment day. Hell will be ever more punishment for you, unless you believe.
Oh silly Scooter, this screen name is the s/n I use on my poker sites. Instead of making different s/n for every site I have, every email account, etc., I use the same s/n for all. I chose this s/n because I wanted people that I play poker with to wonder if I really did suck at poker or if I was playing mind games. That is what poker is all about.
*snicker*
You & your ilk always ASSUME what my s/n means & why I chose it. It is adorable & exposes your arrogance & selfrighteousness.
As for your threats of torture & punishment, I am not moved any more than you are moved by the threats of eternal torture by Muslims. All you have done is expose your mental illness & your need for vengence against anyone who disagrees with your myth.
It is also a hoot how you have ignored & or deflected every one of my questions & refutations, then demand that I answer you. You expose your ego & hypocrisy rather well & without much effort.
You know what you just did? You just stored up more wrath for yourself on judgment day.
Jesus died a miserable, painful, shameful death on the cross to pay for your sins, so you dont have to pay for your own in eternal hellfire, reserved for the devil and his angels.
we have already known the real scientific reasons behind all these phenomenon...
So, It's possible in future we maybe able to find out the real truth of "GOD"...What is "GOD" Is god really the "GOD" or....in future I believe when our scientists are getting smarter.. they sure would find out....I believe that...
could base on human "DNA", or to base on animals "DNA" to generate into species they want to create,our sciences are not that advanced are not yet reaching that level yet, but that doesn't mean that in future we still can't an answer,just like back thousands years ago,people were scared when there were flood,tsunami,volcano,thunder storm,earthquake...they would do ceremony to please their "GOD", but now base on the science today,
The atheist are getting mad because they can't prove bs
erinnelson92 2 weeks ago
good job KIRK, YOU CONVINCED ME!! God bless you buddy
erinnelson92 2 weeks ago
OMG, the 'neutral party' or whatever the hell you want to call the guy in the middle is a fucking retard.
SeizureBobcat 3 weeks ago
If you listen closely, when Kirk Cameron reveals his crocaduck you can actually hear brian saying "oh my god, what a numbnut..."
AliRadicali 3 weeks ago
Every living thing is a transitional form what utter rubbish not a shred of evidence to support such a claim.
lv4ev5 1 month ago
5:00 - i can't believe i'm debating this idiot...
bugilator 1 month ago
Some people doesn't believe of GOD's existence because they don't want to follow the God's morale standard and perhaps they want to create there own morale standard that fit to their own life style and way of living!
sinnerxxxxxxxxx 1 month ago
@sinnerxxxxxxxxx We simply do not believe in God because we do not condone slavery, hate, intolerance and ignorance. That is simply it. Our morals are based upon accepted values that have been discussed, agreed upon and universally correct(e.g. murder, rape, slavery..etc.). We don't base our morality from a poorly written book which contradicts itself, and promotes hate, slavery, sexism, murder etc. Read your bible very closely before making claims about morality please. And your grammar sucks.
bugilator 1 month ago
@sinnerxxxxxxxxx You're right, I don't believe in god because I don't want to be a baby killing faggot hater. Sorry that I don't live up to your moral standards :(
SeizureBobcat 3 weeks ago 2
@sinnerxxxxxxxxx I believe the word you're looking for is "moral", not "morale". I have more morals than your supposed god. I've never been the cause of genocide, I haven't flooded the entire world to get rid of a creation of mine that was misbehaving, I've never sacrificed one of my own for the "betterment" of mankind. Even if I had the power to do that, I wouldn't. Your god is capricious, malevolent, and just simply evil.
SuperMegaFl0yd 3 weeks ago
No other book in history has anything compared to the bible which is filled with scientific and medical facts, thousands of fulfilled prophecies and history & archaeology attest to it's reliability. 1st of the ten commandments I Am the Lord your God you shall have no other "gods" before me. The buddists man never claimed to be god ne ways.
mamainmancj 2 months ago
@VanessaTexasGal Yea I'm an agnostic atheist. You are correct with what u said.
sexyAllen4u 2 months ago
radiocarbon dating has tooooo many flaws, fail!
marioakayoyo 3 months ago
@Atheist Autopsy, Flew is NOW a Deist. Flew has moved to Deism and away from his Atheism. Craig has remained firm in his beliefs. You doubt Craig had anything to do with that? Really? You'd have us believe that Flew dedicated a major part of his intellectual life debating this subject with his rival, changed his position and these debates had NOTHING to do with it? How then did he come into agreement with Craig that a God does exist? Talk about "illogical' arguments!
rfondo 4 months ago
Arthropithicus
PilateTS 4 months ago
William Lane Craig would have crushed these Athiests in a debate
rfondo 4 months ago
@rfondo No, he wouldn't. William Lane Craig isn't as great as people think.
AtheistAutopsy 4 months ago
@AtheistAutopsy Great enough to destroy Oxford Professor, Antony Flew in debates. So much so, that after arguing for Aatheism for over 50 years, Flew now believes the existance of God must be considered.
rfondo 4 months ago
@rfondo Okay, first off, Antony Flew is a DEIST! He doesn't believe in a personal God.
And I doubt that had anything to do with William Lane Craig. Craig's arguments are illogical and full of Fallacies.
AtheistAutopsy 4 months ago
Well..to each their own. Personally, I believe in the God of the Bible..in Jesus Christ coming to save us from ourselves, and in Heaven, and a Hell. For me, the issue is simple. If evolutionists are right,,,then I have Nothing to Lose. If Christians are right, then you better prepare yourself for something horrible you cant explain. So, for me, accepting Jesus, and living according to his word, its a win-win. :) G'DAY!!
techytech1 4 months ago
@techytech1 what if buddhists are right? what if god is a god who only let's people into heaven who follow scientific evidence where it leads? then you do have something to lose. What you present is pascals wager, which is a fallacy. And even if christianity is correct, the christian god is one I wouldn't want to be close to. I don't want to live in a world where stoning people who work on a sabbath, hating homosexuals, slavery etc... is acceptable.
VanessaTexasGal 2 months ago
If Kirk actually did science (instead of only just critiquing evolution as all creationists do)..he should go and find the fossils of that crockaduck and he would instantly disprove evolution because evolution can not produce such a creature...
ab330 5 months ago
Hahaha God always wins.
rodonyou 6 months ago
Nice quote mining by Kirk
milesalpha1 7 months ago
omg.... that's not how fucking evolution works you fucking... ugh you just can't say anything to this, this is so stupid
audveltadmuna 7 months ago
whats up with the host, is he stupid too?
mattshark100 7 months ago
Pretty much every living creature is a transitional form, he should just pay up, what an idiot.
mattshark100 7 months ago
I used to like kirk cameron when he was an actor, now he is just a really really stupid person.
mattshark100 7 months ago
You are a transition from your parents to your kids, and you are slightly different from your parents, and your kids will be slightly different from you. If a certain difference is advantageous then any individuals with this will have an advantage and therefore be able to reproduce more. If this goes one for long enough the generation further down the line would be unable to reproduce with earlier generations and therefore be a different species.
WaltonSauce 7 months ago
whats hilarious is that they dont even realize that if the "crockoduck" was found, it would DISPROVE evolution not prove it. evolution would never allow for a creature that is a mixture of 2 modern species.
autopsy87 8 months ago
"observed instances of speciation". A quick search of this on google could have prevented you from looking like a fucking idiot on national tv.
Numb nut
zzyzx0788 8 months ago
Quick! Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
blarson12 10 months ago
@blarson12
the egg
mattshark100 7 months ago
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@mattshark100 Are you sure about that? What makes you think so?
blarson12 7 months ago
Tiktaalik is a good transitional fossil, Aronra's Founditional falsehoods of creationism has an excellent bit on the seperation between canine and feline lines and the two almost identical in appearance between the earliest basal clade. Even today we have Ring species and the nylon eating bacteria. If this isn't proof I don't know what is........... Also dripping doves blood on a leper will not cure them.
Cougar139tweak 10 months ago
The host is just as moronic as the two cows promoting the "crocoduck". (I do admit though, I think it's a cute little thing).
y3nd0 10 months ago
Oh jeez... evolution doesn't happen over a single generation... silly Kirk. And as far as finding LIVING transitional creatures... well, we can't know that they are transitional until the new creature has already evolved, which means that the transitional creature is DEAD by then, unless perhaps if its a turtle. Thanks for the circular logic, Kirk.
winterbird85 11 months ago
They said they were going to prove the existence of God and then they completely changed the subject and started challenging the theory of evolution. I WANT TO SEE THE PROOF OF GOD! And these atheists were completely sucked into their bate and switch. Where's the real debate?
ctchampagne 11 months ago
They said they were going to prove the existence of God and then they completely changed the subject and started challenging the theory of evolution. I WANT TO SEE THE PROOF OF GOD!
ctchampagne 11 months ago
they're laughing AT them
mussonman 11 months ago
this host is a moron, who even put him there? A transitional form isnt a being that transformed from one specie into another during his liftime. What an idiot.
joe80dmanizanerd 1 year ago
genuine living transitional form? I'll give you a few: any living organism on this planet at the moment. Guess that 10k is mine.
joe80dmanizanerd 1 year ago
OH MY GOD. MORONS.
signupthegold 1 year ago
wikipedia transitional fossils and you will find hundreds of fossils, so he proved his point. religious people should educate themselves before judging other people.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 1 year ago
These people on the Left of the screen still did not come up with a single example of a transitional fossil. They sound pathetic as they walk around the circle they created.
t0t8o 1 year ago
Ray and Kirk don't even debate, they just ignore the criticisms and wait for a chance to launch into another set piece of nonsense designed to convince people who don't understand evolution either.
dweller26 1 year ago
To me atheism is just as much a religion as christianity. Christians believe there is a God and their God is the right God. Atheists believe there is no God and totally cancel out the possibility that there could be a God, and they feel they are right. Yet they cannot disprove there being a God so therefore its a possibility. If we all could just be humble and say "we know what we believe " as opposed to "we know what's absolutely true" this world would be a better place.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u Atheism is a religion like off is a TV channel, we know we cannot disprove something unfalsifiable
quote55 1 year ago
@quote55 If atheism is a religion atleast its religion has proof and evidence to go by instead of following blindly into nothing. There is no way that you could possibly know if a creator exists or not. You weren't there when he made the universe or whenever the universe originated. All you know is that we're here and you trust some old book that claims the creator of the universe inspired it. Yet it is a fact it was written by men.You believe what you want. Ill stick with reality thank you.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@quote55 U know what man, u were right.Excuse me for mouthing off. Yes you are right. Religions believe in unprovable deities,set statutes and morals biased to their own beliefs,and sell God to everyone.Atheism is much different than a religion. We give them the evidence to observe,agree or refute,all in hopes to expand our knowledge.Not give them baseless claims and threaten eternal suffering for questioning their supposed "absolute" truth that they don't know is true or not.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u i didnt read your other comment til later but yea glad i could point that out
quote55 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u
wrong, atheism is the absence of a belief. As long as there is no solid proof of the existence of gods and other supernatural forces I'll maintain that they probably don't exist
However, both atheism and theism are a form of agnostic thought, as neither "knows" if there is or isn't supernatural forces; theists simply choose to believe in the existence of such entities, this is why it's called "faith" not "fact"
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 4 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn lol That was me one year ago. Since then I have changed my position to agnostic.
sexyAllen4u 4 months ago
@sexyAllen4u agnostic and atheist isn't mutually exclusive. you can be an agnostic atheist, gnostic atheist, agnostic theist, and a gnostic theist. Atheism isn't a belief, it's the lack of a belief. If I ask you: "do you believe in a god?" and you say yes, you're a theist. anything else, including "I don't know", and you're an atheist.
VanessaTexasGal 2 months ago
"It has feathers" rofl. Seems like the crocoduck would have feathers as well.
nduri2 1 year ago
You tell 'em Kirk :) Praise Jesus
doubleas2380 1 year ago
Those scientists aren't joking when they say it takes millions of years. It takes a species literally thousands of generations. Its not about two different animals fucking to make a hybrid freak. Those guys are fucking retards.
TekLok 1 year ago
@TekLok so then are there any examples because you guys say that this world has been around for billions of years.
jdmceo1 1 year ago
@jdmceo1 Examples of what? Slow transitional fossils?
TekLok 1 year ago
@TekLok Well, just any official transitional fossils.
jdmceo1 1 year ago
@jdmceo1 There's the Archaeopteryx for example. Or mud skippers as Viconiuz pointed out. Technically every fossil is a transition. But that's only if natural selection happens. That's all I was trying to say.
TekLok 1 year ago
@TekLok Ok. I don't see it like that, but you are entitled to you own opinion. Me personally, I don't see any evidence of any transitional fossils. One question, why have humans not evolved into anything else?
jdmceo1 1 year ago
@jdmceo1 Well obviously you aren't paying attention then. Because of our advanced technology now natural selection is barely happening for us. We can adapt to our environments by manipulating them. When it gets too cold we build a fire for example.
TekLok 1 year ago
@TekLok No I'm paying plenty of attention. I just don't believe in the evolution non-sense. There has been no animal who has evolved into anything else (I don't believe ever) sense humans have lived on Earth. Why has it just stopped all of a sudden? Because it never happened. Dude, how can someone believe that intelligence on Earth today was just by chance. I know your gonna say something like, well it has evolved into what it is know over billions of years.
jdmceo1 1 year ago
@jdmceo1 No you are just accepting reality as you see fit regardless of evidence. You clearly don't understand evolution. No one is claiming that an animal can just morph into a new one on the spot. Its not a fucking instant process. You are wasting my time now.
TekLok 1 year ago
@TekLok What you see today didn't just happen by chance. I am assuming that you believe in the big bang theory? Ask yourself this, if the big bang theory is correct, which says that molecules ran into each other and created llife as we know it after these billions of years, then why if you blow up a nuclear bomb, the result isn't order? You wont see a beautiful park or city skyline , for example, emerge from the ruble. Its the same concept bro.
jdmceo1 1 year ago
@jdmceo1 And now you are comparing the big bang to a nuke. You are fucking moron.
TekLok 1 year ago
@TekLok I didn't say you guys said it was instant. Either way, whatever you say, we were created from GOD. I was insisting that you can't create out of chaos, or a big bang. You are just like everyother non GOD believing person with you name calling. Just because I don't believe the non-sense you are saying doesn't make me a f@#$%& moron. I get so sick of trying to tell you guys what I believe and you guys start acting like little teenagers and start name calling. GROW UP! I'm done!
jdmceo1 1 year ago
@jdmceo1 Yep there we go "Whatever you say we were created from GOD!" Totally close minded and delusional.
TekLok 1 year ago
@TekLok Wrong. You will see one day. I hope you realize the truth before then. You guys think we are just in this to argue. Little do you know, we want to see everyone go to Heaven and know one to go to Hell. I know you think thats stupid, but it's true! God bless!!!
jdmceo1 1 year ago
Omgz he speakz the troof. Praise dog!
Lothos666 1 year ago
martin bashir is a christian, its pretty obvious who's side he's on, he never interrupts kirk cameron and ray comfort, EVER! but he is constantly doing it to the atheists, they shouldve gotten a moderator who's beliefs were anonymous, because its 3 against 2. And the atheists still prove their point better
coalch13 1 year ago
@coalch13 Actually, he wasn't too easy with WOTM either. He had pushed them especially on the first question.
Stitchman3875 1 year ago
@coalch13 - Eh. I honestly thought Martin was an atheist. lol. A few Christians think that too because his questions were pretty hard. Did you listen to the first two of his questions?
I guess he did a good job of keeping whatever he believed a secret.
Zeeboe 1 year ago
evolution is so silly
iamsupertoad 1 year ago
@iamsupertoad - As opposed to the talking snake?
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@iamsupertoad why
r29 1 year ago
This just shows that Kirk Cameron knows absolutely nothing about evolution. What Brian was trying to say was that evolution is an ONGOING process. if you take two fossils from two points along the evolutionary timeline, every fossil between them IS a trasitional form. H. Erectus is a transition form between A. Africanus and H. Sapiens. They each are a complete species, and one species acts as a transition between previous and later species.
stillwater215 1 year ago
@stillwater215 Exactly its all about the range of evolution before a species would no longer be able to reproduce with its ancestors, how ever far back.
TekLok 1 year ago
@stillwater215 But what Kirk was trying to point out is how we have not observed this transition to prove it can happen. Just because an animal adapts certain characterisitics by no means does that give us proof that it came from another species.
sexyAllen4u 1 year ago
@sexyAllen4u It does. Just because we can't observe something happening before our eyes doesn't mean we cant prove it. If a detective comes at the crime scene after a murder has happened, he can still persecute the criminal for the EVIDENCE found on the scene. Because we cannot see evolution before our eyes it doesn't mean that we can't prove evolution.
joe80dmanizanerd 1 year ago
' Red heads got a Micro brain...nah she's so up herself with ape like idea's..oh thats right she's got a Brian = another angry neandathol..Do they even know where Canada is?..why is he so angry about ignorance..is it that he's ignorant.i see he's transitioning his red head tnite..if you know what i mean..haha..evolution smellolution crapsalution.." The truth shall set you free "
sam00797 1 year ago
Wat a Fag! How the hell do you transition from a ape are you Fukin Seriouss!!!!
Crossova21286 1 year ago
I love how Brian sighs at Kirk's BS!
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NowYouSeeTV 1 year ago
Just change the definition of God every time science makes a new discovery.
God made Adma in a day? nope evolution took millions of years. That doesnt disprove it, just claim that this is what you meant in the first place.
The earth is flat and was made in six days? The sun orbits the earth? humans have free will? Absolute morality exists? Evolution is just a theory? The big bang cant have happened? Adultery is a sin? slavery is ok?
have each claim disproven and just claim its still true.
omnissient 1 year ago
... I think those two owe A Lot of people 10 grand, lol! xD
DavySigfusson 1 year ago
Kirk Cameron EPIC FAIL and as for brain's argument for we are all a transitional form is we as humans is, we as we breed one generation to another we grow and change to a point where humans(as we know them) may not the top form of life
henshinman 1 year ago
00:23 *facepalm*
Nightmeare 1 year ago
This is why I HATE Martin Brashear...he is worse than the banana boys! Everything he says shows bias, he's an awful moderator for any sort of debate, and its not just this, his whole report on Michael Jackson show's institutional bias. IMO Martin Brashear is probably one of the worst journalists alive today (aside from Geraldo Rivera)
calthopian 1 year ago
Crokokirk shit
5m1nutes 1 year ago
Round 2 verdict: Way of the Master wins overwhelmingly!!!!!
CheapTrick81 1 year ago
transitional fossil in the way the Kirk present is impassable the transition happens as offspring are produced the child is different from the parents and as the child will produce offspring that are different from it self the child with the traits that are best suited for survival will pass it genetic information to more of it off spring
Colepotera 1 year ago
We never saw evolution occur?
Ensatina eschschsoltzii- look it up
PROOOOOOOOF!!!! OF EVOLUTION.
bouiglob 1 year ago
How many times does the moderator have to ask the same question before the "Rational Responders" get it??? LOL Belief in macroevolution and microevolution are 2 different things and how can you not walk a mile taking one step at a time is a CLOSE ENDED question which isn't the same analogy as the difference between belief in mutations among species and one species evolving to become another species.
gt5323b 1 year ago
a dingo ate yo baby
Dopesmoker213 1 year ago
so much fucking fail, its called reproduction
my dad never had acne when he was a teen, my mother did, i have a zit on my chin, evolution?
seriously, read about the theory of evolution before making baseless claims
as for the crockoduck or however you want to spell it, go to australia you dumb cunt.
also for the idiots that want to reply to what i said, im not saying the crockoduck exists im saying there are animals of different forms - ever hear of a dingo?
Dopesmoker213 1 year ago
friends, God created us.. don't be blind...
here's an illustration, try to get a small stone, pinch size... then put it in your palm and roll it over and over... try to imagine that stone was the earth, then there's the people in it, as your rotate it, try to imagine the relativity of your time and and the time of the rotation of that stone, you see, if you were in that small stone, millisecond would be a one rotation, but if you were the person rolling the stone, its just second per10 rotation
jesreym007 2 years ago
Excellence
bigmanforce 1 year ago
a weak debate on both sides. im only watching this cause of kelly's boobs
lucirz 2 years ago
Mud skippers are a pretty good example of the step between fish and land living creatures. (skip to 0:50 in the clip below)
/watch?v=OJJlb93kf4k
Viconiuz 2 years ago 10
thats not even relevant this subject sux
why do we need knowledge of things that have nothing to do with our existence
and i think that its plain stupid that two professional researches were put up against someone who doesnt know shit on that subject 0 stars absolute rubish right here
nate899889 2 years ago
I wish the atheists would give a more coherent presentation. The evangelists are more polished presentation givers.
maclectic 2 years ago
a polished turd is still a turd
Colepotera 1 year ago
@maclectic what do you expect one is an actor so he's used tro puttinmg on a show for people. thats the only feasable reason for him to even do this he couldnt get no other acting gigs so they pay him to be his retarded self
onikage187 1 year ago
WOTM arguments are lame, they dont understand anything about big bang, evolution or anything
hovsec 2 years ago 2
Creantionist = ignorance
sad that they actually belive that shit
tkdliron 2 years ago 2
man the rational responders really need to brush up on their biology. I can answer the questions asked better than them and I just started by undergrad degree in biology.
TheCognitiveReason 2 years ago
0:22 Brian+Kelly's reaction. Pricless.
lundenmetal 2 years ago 18
@lundenmetal i literally nearly pissed myself. I find it amazingly depressing that there are religious people out there who really really truely believe that evolution proof means finding a crocoduck.... that really shows the failure of scientific literacy of this planet :(
geilman 1 year ago
@lundenmetal great reaction
henshinman 1 year ago
oh ya way of the master got OWNED LOL
CajunKlingon 2 years ago 2
Just warning of the wrath that is to come. Unless you repent, you will perish. Lies, blasphemies, fornication, adultery, etc... MUST be punished. Hope you trust Christ, and turn.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Evolution and Genesis contradict:
Bible: World created as is in six literal days. (Genesis 1)
Evolution: World evolved over billions of years.
Bible: Creation is completed. (Genesis 2:3)
Evolution: Creative processes continuing.
Bible: Oceans before land. (Genesis 1:2)
Evolution: Land before oceans.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Christ cults & logic also contradict but you won't see atheists going door to door threatening anyone with eternal torture because of it.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Everyone has lied & sinned, so righteous God must execute justice and punish all with eternal hellfire. The good news is, JESUS WANTS TO FORGIVE, KNOW, CHANGE, AND LOVE YOU. So He took your punishment on the cross, resurrected, and rules in heaven now. Believe in and follow Jesus, and thus be a new creature, and under grace and not law, and love people the way Jesus has loved you. When you are mature in the faith and hear the calling, reach out to those who don't know Christ, and thus are lost.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Sorry Scooter but unti you can prove sin exists, it does not. Simply quoting from your holy book of horrors is not evidenc, that is called circular reasoning.
The same goes for a soul & an afterlife. Until you can provide empirical data to substantiate your claims, it remains mythology. Sorry to inject facts & ask for demonstrable evidence, but that is how I roll.
*snicker*
Again, quoting from your holy book of horrors means no more to me than a Hindu quoting from the Vedas to you.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Sin is when you lie, insult God, lust, steal, or anything else. Are you OK with child molesters and rape?
Just Google, "Stephen Hawking Universe Implodes" and click on the first link. Empirical evidence of time travel in the Bible. Only the Bible does this. Not the Vedas, or Koran. It's the signature of God.
Every time you insult God, it shortens his patience for you (u die faster), and stores up more wrath for judgment day. You know sin is wrong. You are without excuse.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Sorry Scooter but you have not proven that sin exists. All you have done is regurgitate religious nonsense & citing Christian apologetic websites only proves your ignorance. Sorry to break it to you but pseudoscience is not science.
Sin is part of the god construct, as is a soul, an afterlife, etc., none of these things can be proven, ergo they are faith based assumptions. Period. As for your threats, I am not moved by them anymore than I am moved by the threats of any other cult member.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Look up "Handwaving". Rather than address the evidence I presented, you engaged in handwaving, hoping to bluff that you know what you're saying.
"Sin is part of the god construct" you say? So are you cool with child molestation? Are you down with drugging a lady and raping her? Do you get women pregnant, and then bravely run away? Are all of the above "sin construct" or evil selfishness, which hurts others? Answer this.
"The fool has said in his heart, there is no God." says the Bible.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
I again ask for empirical evidence of sin. Bad, immoral, antisocial behaviors, is not evidence of sin. Suggesting that because one does not believe that sin exists, that they must then believe in being immoral or antisocial, is beyond ignorance & bigotry. Lastly Scooter, you did not provide evidence, you cited an apologist webiste. It is not peer reviewed science. As for bible thumping, I am no more moved by it, than you would be by a Muslim spewing bullshit from the qur'an.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
"Sin" is spoken of as fact in the Bible, and only the Bible has empirical evidence of time reversals per the top hit when "Stephen hawking universe implodes" is googled. Thus the Bible bears the signature of God.
Again. You did not read the evidence I gave.
Again, "you cited" what you learned in your atheist upbringing. U proved nothing. Only handwaving. Easy to look good, but requires no brains.
You are still storing up wrath for yourself for judgment day with your blasphemy.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Holy shit, how many times must it be explained to you that the bible is not empirical evidence for anything. It is a book of faith. It is not a science book. Claiming the holy book of horrors is truth because it says it is truth, is called circular reasoning. And once again, the cite your sourced is an apologetic site. It is not peer reviewed, it is not scientific. It is the site of a religious person using pseudoscience NOT science.
LMGDAO you are adorable.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Go ahead and "peer review" it. Name the sentence in the history and Bible verses where the logic breaks, and error begins.
How many times must I explain it to you, that you saying something, and not backing it up, doesn't count for anything. So you don't believe the Bible is anything. Prove it. You asked for proof, I gave it, now find the break in the logic.
Humanism is also a religion with a creation cosmology, churches, clergy, high preists, martyrs. You have a lot of faith in atheism!
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
You obviously have no idea what peer review is or means. You also have no clue what pseudoscience is & real science. You are the typical godbot who uses logical fallacies & spews apologetic nonsense. I do not have to prove a negative Scooter. You, just like the Muslim, the Jew, the Hindu, the ghost hunter, the one who claims alien abductions, etc., have to prove your absurd claims. And once again you failed miserably.
Great job!!!
*snicker*
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
You are handwaving.
Don't you think theologians peer review work amongst themselves? It's been reviewed.
The article I pointed you to says it was sent to Stephen Hawking for review. Hawking never commented. If it's so easy to discredit, why won't anyone do it? If no atheists comment even when it is offered, is it my problem?
Unless you repent, you will perish.
Go on, tell me where the logic breaks. This is worth 100 hours of your life man. I don't want you to go to hell. Why go?
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Hawking is not in the business of answering every religious nutbag who writes him a letter full of absurd pseudoscience & religious bullshit. It would be never ending.
All Mr. Cramer has to do it get his supposed science, peer reviewed. He will become instantly world famous, win the Nobel Peace Prize & have an endless supply of money to study the new fields of science which would obviously be created. We both know why Mr. Cramer cannot get his, "work," peer reviewed don't we?
*snicker*
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
1) More handwaving. Read it, and tell us how the history and logic fail. If it's so easy, do it.
2) It should take a genius like Hawking 10 minutes to take it apart. Why not do it? What's so hard?
2) I've seen other atheists concede the math works, and give up and go home when they see the evidence at the first link when "Stephen hawking universe implodes" is googled. Also, Muslims concede that the math works, and that the like does not exist in the Koran.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Anyone can make unsubstantiated claims. Anyone can offer personal anecdotes. BUT the simple fact is, Mr. Cramer cannot get his work peer reviewed. All your "handwaving," cannot make this go away. You know it, I know it.
As for you assuming that I was not once a Christ cult member, shame on you. I was not only a Christ cult member for over 30 yrs, but I was also a pastor, evangelist, missionary, apologist & teacher.
Remember, when you assume you make an ASS out of U not ME.
*snicker*
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Cramer is just reporting on the work of Grant Jeffrey. If you had read the first result when "Stephen Hawking Universe Implodes" is googled like I asked you to, you would know that.
Also, Cramer bases his claim for the 70 weeks prophecy on the work of Sir Robert Anderson who wrote "The Coming Prince."
Why so insulting? If you are rich without Christ, where's the magnanimity and patience and generosity for me?
Did you ever know the Lord?
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
You have once again missed the point entirely. If this hypothesis were demonstrable, if it were able to be proven empirically, it would without a doubt, go through the peer review system & be validated. The reason that it has not been peer reviewed & validated is because it is not science. It is pseudoscience. If you cannot grasp this, if you cannot accept this, there is no reason to continue. As for me not being patient, I am very patient. Just because I laugh at or mock liars, does not mean I
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
1) Just because claims are empirical does not mean that they NECESSARILY MUST go through peer review. You say that as if once a claim is empirical, a black hole of "peer review" spontaneously pulls on it as if a natural law in and of itself.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
You just exposed your ignorance. When something IS empirical, it is proven FACTUAL, ie, 2+2=4.
Nice try but fail miserably.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Please say, "On my honor, I am not lying or making stuff up." for me to continue debating you.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Scooter you do not have to debate me. You can run & hide like your ilk always does. However, I will jump through your hoops this one time. Ready?............
On my honor I am not lying or making stuff up.
*snicker*
Talk about childish. I have no reason to lie to you or anyone else about my Christ cult membership. I am not an anomoly. I am not the first or only person to escape the Christ cults. Google, "Dan Barker."
Also, most atheists I know are ex Christ cult members.
:-D
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
am not being patient. Just because I point out when someone is lying, either out of ignorance or calculation, it does not mean I do not have peace. Please put away your martyr's suit. Your ilk regurgitates apologetic absurdities & when they are exposed as such, you cry foul. You then claim persecution & the fulfillment of prophecy via Mt 5:10-11. However with that said, if I apply your rule of measure to Jerry Falwell, he must not have known Christ as he blamed 9/11 on women's rights activists,
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
2) The "Scientific Method" means a) use your experience to consider the problem b) form a hypothesis c) assume a prediction d) test to falsify. Just because the subject studied is not a physical science like Chemistry or Physics, does not necessarily make the study of it using the Scientific Method any less scientific. You can study the Bible's claims scientifically.
3) God will not judge the damned on what Christians said or did. He judges the lost for their sins.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
You need to Google the, "Scientific Method."
You again exposed your ignorance. Science does not nor can it, at this point in time, address supernatural phenomenon. Science can prove that supposed tools which, "prove" ghosts exist, are pseudoscience, but science cannot prove ghosts do not exist.
As for "god" judging, "sins," before I buy into this nonsense, you must not only prove god exists, but that sin exists.
Another collosal fail.
:-D
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Science can measure whether the Bible verses at the first link when "stephen hawking universe implodes" is googled.
You are hardly one to say if that evidence for anything is empirical OR factual OR anything, given you won't read it and judge for yourself.
When I asked, "Did you know the Lord?" you said what amounted to "No" which means either you were never a christian, or that you have a reprobate heart that will lie any lie to look good.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Once again you have deflected. How sad for you that you cannot stay on topic & that you must always avoid, deflect, distract, etc., instead of staying on topic.
You made an accusation of me & I clearly & consicely refuted it. I exposed not only the intellectual dishonesty of the accusation, but also the hypocrisy of it. All you can do now is set up another lie for yourself in order to keep validating yourself. I truly pity you for your lack of integrity & character.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
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IaintNoGood 2 years ago
As for me saying, "No" to your question, you just again proved you cannot be intellectually honest. I clearly & concisely stated that I not only believed I knew the lord, I believed he spoke to me. I believed, as did others, that I had the gifts of the spirit, ie, talking in tongues, interpretating tongues, healing, prophecy, etc..
You can call me names all you like but it does not change the facts of my life. How sad for you that you must live your life in this manner.
:-(
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
the ACLU, homosexuals, etc. Pat Robertson must not know Christ as he asked for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. Billy Graham must not have known Christ as he was caught on the Nixon tapes making antisemetic comments. And lastly you must not know Christ because you are mocking the facts of my life. I have not lied to you but because I do not agree with you anymore, you assume I have either lied or you apply the logical fallacy, "No True Scotsman." Simply put, you sir, are a hypocrite & a fraud.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
You forgot exorcist, doctor, bishop, and deacon.
Sleep well.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
I do sleep well. The reason I sleep well, other than the facts I already presented, is also due to the fact that I no longer have to lie to myself in order to validate my faith. I no longer have to twist & tweak reality. I am allowed to be 100% intellectually honest. no more worrying if I was in the right Christ cult or had chosen the right Jesus. Or if I was using the right holy book of horrors. Or if I was teaching the right doctrines. I have complete peace since I escaped the Jesus cults.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Also, you have again proven that you do not know what the scientific peer review process is, how it works & functions & what its purpose is. Another failure on your part.
:-D
And once again your attempts at extortion fall on deaf ears. I am not frightened by your mythical eternal torture chamber. I am not moved by your holy book of horrors or the main character within, ie the tyrannical megalomaniacal, genocidal, temper tantrum throwing prick that you call, god.
NEXT?!
*snicker*
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
You can use facts and logic to take apart that evidence, and you have not. You resort to name calling, and assertions.
This is handwaving. You are better than this. If you are so very smart and wise, just show where the logic breaks.
Mythical? I'm warning you of the wrath that is to come, that you may flee it. Just because no one raised you to fear God, does not make God fantasy.
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."
God punishes blasphemers now and later in hell.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Your god thingy has yet to punish me Scooter. I am sorry to let you down. I know that you need to believe this because it makes you feel better about yourself. If I am being punished by your god, then bring it on because my life is very fulfilling. I am surrounded by family & friends who love me dearly. I have all that I need emotionally, mentally, physically, & pretty much all of my materialistic desires are met. I am by no means rich but I live quite comfortably & am happy with my toys.
:-D
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Mark your words.
Did you ever know the Lord?
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
It is so sad that in the information age, people of your ilk continue to study subjectively. It does not matter how many Christian apologetic sites your cite, they cannot possibly sway me anymore than a Muslim, Hindu, Zoroastrian apologetic site will sway you. Apologetics is nothing but bias rationliazations. They are not empirical truths, they are not objective data, they are not based in reality.
When you realize why you deny the gods of others, you will realize why I deny your sick god.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
The Bible does say that in the last days, "knowledge will increase".
"Understand, ye brutish among the people: and [ye] fools, when will ye be wise? He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?"
Psalms 94:8-9
Your positions are unfalsifiable, since you demand proof, but won't read it.
Did you ever know the Lord?
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
The holy book of horrors says many things. None of which are believed universally even within the Christ cults. So once again, try to get it through your closed minded, bigoted, hypocritical head that you do not move me nor impress me with your cherry picking.
Knowing the "Lord," is impossible because there are too many to choose from. Your ilk always claim they are using proper hermeneutics, exegesis, interpolation, etc., yet none can agree universally on one doctrine or one Jesus.
;-D
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
4) When you volunteered that you have abandoned a mature Christian life, I asked if you ever knew the Lord. Your answer, "Knowing the 'Lord,' is impossible because there are too many to choose from," tells me you were never a Christian because 1 John 5:20 and John 17:3 say eternal life is knowing Christ.
5) "hermeneutics, exegesis" and the like are rules for interpreting scripture. You follow rules of grammar, and context. Should there not be MORE rules for the Bible to prevent fraud?
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
MY response was post mortem if you will. When I was a Christ cult member I believed that I not only knew the "lord," but that we spoke to each other via the holy spirit. I believed I talked in tongues, interpreted tongues, healed the sick, prophecied, etc.. Sorry but you again failed miserably. Never assume as it makes an ASS out of U not ME.
As for exegesis & hermeneutics, you mised the point. EVERY cult leader claims they use proper exegesis & hermeneutics but there is no UNIVERSAL doctrine
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
@IaintNoGood - Though there is disagreement about what bible doctrine is, the parable at Matthew 25:14 shows us that a quitters attitude of giving up and doing nothing is unacceptable. 2 Timothy 2:15 also tells us there is a correct findable way to discover "universal doctrine" despite your quitting.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Sorry Scooter but you are simply giving me YOUR personal interpretation. This interpretation of YOURS is not universally accepted. How does this simple fact keep escaping you?
There is not ONE, not ONE, universal Christian doctrine. You can quote all the scripture you want but it is meaningless. It is as meaningless to me as me quoting the Vedas to you would be. You cannot prove one of your statements & you cannot prove any of your verses. Sorry but this is a fact which is why you have faith
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
No Christ cult member can prove that there doctrine is FACT. This is why there are so many Jesuses. One Jesus saves ONLY through grace. Another Jesus saves ONLY through works. Another Jesus saves ONLY through water baptism. Another Jesus saves ONLY through holy ghost baptism. Etc., etc., ad infinitum. All cults claim the one & only TRUE exegesis & hermeneutics.
LMGDAO
This was too easy.
Bible fraud...*snicker*....indeed!!!
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
@IaintNoGood - If you "Ain't no good", how can anyone trust anything you say about the Bible, Christ, sin, heaven, or hell?
You claim to have been "pastor, evangelist, missionary, apologist & teacher" before leaving the faith. Prove it. Name at least two textual traditions where the identity of the Messiah is consistently God.
You have added to the crimes you are guilty of on judgment day. Hell will be ever more punishment for you, unless you believe.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
Oh silly Scooter, this screen name is the s/n I use on my poker sites. Instead of making different s/n for every site I have, every email account, etc., I use the same s/n for all. I chose this s/n because I wanted people that I play poker with to wonder if I really did suck at poker or if I was playing mind games. That is what poker is all about.
*snicker*
You & your ilk always ASSUME what my s/n means & why I chose it. It is adorable & exposes your arrogance & selfrighteousness.
:-D
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
As for your threats of torture & punishment, I am not moved any more than you are moved by the threats of eternal torture by Muslims. All you have done is expose your mental illness & your need for vengence against anyone who disagrees with your myth.
It is also a hoot how you have ignored & or deflected every one of my questions & refutations, then demand that I answer you. You expose your ego & hypocrisy rather well & without much effort.
:-D
Nice try Scooter.
IaintNoGood 2 years ago
Fuck jesus.
gaelicscots 2 years ago
You know what you just did? You just stored up more wrath for yourself on judgment day.
Jesus died a miserable, painful, shameful death on the cross to pay for your sins, so you dont have to pay for your own in eternal hellfire, reserved for the devil and his angels.
Unless you repent, you will perish.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
we have already known the real scientific reasons behind all these phenomenon...
So, It's possible in future we maybe able to find out the real truth of "GOD"...What is "GOD" Is god really the "GOD" or....in future I believe when our scientists are getting smarter.. they sure would find out....I believe that...
weleio 2 years ago
FUCK...Scientists has already proven that "THEY"
could base on human "DNA", or to base on animals "DNA" to generate into species they want to create,our sciences are not that advanced are not yet reaching that level yet, but that doesn't mean that in future we still can't an answer,just like back thousands years ago,people were scared when there were flood,tsunami,volcano,thunder storm,earthquake...they would do ceremony to please their "GOD", but now base on the science today,
weleio 2 years ago
to all the arguers: THE ONLY SURE BARRIER TO TRUTH IS TO ASSUME WE ALREADY HAVE IT.
danielalien 2 years ago