Cranker release and approach slowmotion bowling tenpin

[snowboardrdude]

He's not a cranker but he throws the ball great

[sirtuggsalot]

ust cuz he has a high back swing doesnt make him a cranker we would actually need to know the rev rate. And MOST cranker finish there slide before they release the ball, he does not. but why do people act like being a tweener isnt ok?

[akumat1]

this is cranker, not tweener, 80gerardtan, u're wrong.

[awashbowler]

That was maybe 500 rpms, not a cranker

[shado3mane]

@zakfitz and to discuss your second point you brought up, I agree that most high rev players people see at houses have no control over the backend of their shot. The typical bowler doesn't change hand positions, shorten or lengthen their approach, add or subtract loft to their shot, etc. They're just throwing the ball and hope it somehow gets to the 1-3. It has taken me awhile to barely skim the surface of shot alterations and fully understanding what I can do to control my shot as it goes down

[shado3mane]

@zakfitz it's not the cranker's fault that houses have made house shots really easy. I'm a cranker myself and the amount of room I have sometimes on league nights is laughable. Whereas in my PBA league I play a lot straighter up the boards since the oil allows it. Technology and decisions that have been made within the bowling industry have made the sport easier for the average bowler to bowl well. Trying to compare bowling in the present to how bowling was in the past is pointless since they'r

[randy7hunt]

how u do that ish

[nightwalker2830]

I guess they don't have a buzzard when u step on a foul line I was waiting for it

[papalo1111]

cranker jason couch!

[20alphabet]

@TreZeryoface Go to bed, you have school tomorrow.

[Mr30castle]

cranker is obviously a style look up tommy jones and tell me its not a style

[shado3mane]

I still fail to see anybody give a reason as to why having a cranker style is bad. Getting more revolutions and more rotation is never a bad thing as long as it's controlled and you learn to couple it with a straight game. Anybody who bowls competitively will eventually have to play straighter lines on some patterns and the best in the world always have that to fall on. Belmonte won his first title playing the outside part of one lane with plastic, while TJ won his US Open playing a very straig

[zakfitz]

@shado3mane I think, and this is just what I've heard while talking to people, that the knocks on crankers come from two things. One, house bowlers get really angry when they see high rev players who have an entire arrow's worth of spray area. So, they hate :)  Two, in most higher level play situations, demanding patterns require control of the back end reaction from different launch angles in order to score. Most crankers, with a few notable exceptions, struggle at this by default.

[20alphabet]

@kellytehuna Part II: The game has changed in this way... before, the friction came from the wood and the ball offered zilch. So anything the ball did was entirely due to the bowler. Today the friction comes primarily from the ball. Also, the various cores act as engines to increase and/or modify rotation. All this, along with gymnastic pins has greatly reduced the bowler's involvement. Btw, Hayden will break your heart in 12 years. Such a doll.

[20alphabet]

@kellytehuna Your question is legitimate. The term, cranking, came from the hand position and motion around the outside of the ball, like your hand position when using a crank. Mark Roth's track was small as he threw a spinner. Almetto was a small man who tugged a ton at the bottom to compensate the leverage disadvantage (you cannot crank without tugging). A good stroker like Barry Asher or Frank Ellenberg could out rev today's crop with far less effort.

[20alphabet]

@TreZeryoface Troll elsewhere. Learn nothing.

[TreZeryoface]

@20alphabet You are an ignoramus

[cupofjoelm]

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[TreZeryoface]

@cupofjoelm LOL tard that was 5 months over get over it troll

[20alphabet]

@BowlingIsLife300 Apparently you're another fourteen year old asian kid whose parents did a poor job instilling any sense of value in you. Your depth is that of a parking lot puddle. Learn something before you ejaculate your opinion everywhere.

[TreZeryoface]

@20alphabet I'm pretty sure by how you responded to his comment YOU have depth of a puddle. All you did to respond to him was insult him and not say why you feel cranking is invalid. Obviously Bowlingislife is right about cranking. With all the different oil patterns coming about cranking is rising. I don't know if you are scared of change but its happening. Don't get me wrong i am a stroker and i feel way more consistent doing it because i tried cranking the ball.

[TreZeryoface]

@20alphabet I could shoot 150 the first game then shoot 289 the next. But it is foolish to think that cranking is not a good style. Look at Jason Belmo one of the biggest sensations in bowling. He has more titles (all of 2) than people that have been on the tour twice as long as him. He is not necessarily a cranker, but he still has the incredible rev rate of one. Look at Robert Smith tell me one thing that is wrong with his form that makes him bad.

[cwhite32avc]

@TreZeryoface Not quite sure what you mean by "Jason Belmo is not a cranker, but has the rev rate of one"... that makes absolutely no sence... The term "cranker" describes the rev rate.. therefore someone throws a certain type of shot whether they are turning the ball a lot(cranker) or staying behind it some (tweener/stroker)...

[TreZeryoface]

@cwhite32avc Yes i agree i have no idea what i was thinking when i said that.  But its not like it contradicts my point.

[inuchanuk]

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[20alphabet]

Even with a 13lb ball these little asian guys like to use it's not good for the elbow. Cranking is a symptom of poor technique, not a style as posers would have you believe.

[BowlingIsLife300]

@20alphabet what the fuck is up your ass? cranking IS a valid form. you want true posers go watch some fucking spinners. bowling is heading for a cranker revolution weather you like it or not, its being taught and there is a right and a wrong way to do it so its clearly NOT poor technique. the next generation of bowlers are emulating crankers like tj, mike fagan, sean rash, and belmo. id learn from pba pros anyday over your sorry ass. if anything stroking is just lacking the ability to crank...

[kellytehuna]

@20alphabet Would you consider Mark Roth and Amleto Moncelli to be crankers or tweeners? How about Chris Barnes? Wes Malott? While there are VERY few true crankers around (plant and pull), there are a large number of bowlers that employ some combination of elbow snap and wrist cup to get the large rev rates that are becoming the norm. When done right, the risk of injury is minimal.

[MurderousPandas]

It's in between a cranker and tweener i think, tweeners are more in the center, cranker to the outside, you're in between them, i wouldn't really say cranker just yet.

[jimmsr]

I really think people need to learn the term craner, tweener and stroker.

It's not solely about the amount of speed and revs one creates, it's more directed to the way one's approach is done.

Meaning this man here is clearly a cranker, there is not a bit of arm straight at the moment he releases, every bit is cupped in to create a powerful ball.

If you don't believe this look at the slowmotion of his back side, notice how his ball comes down with a crooked arm. and notice the dropped shoulder

[BlackHeartedPanda]

cranker has high rev and high speed, this guy has neither of those, not even close

[shawnmedguy]

That is certainly a cranker style, and he is behind the ball.

[allstarr9tc]

that doesnt even hurt your elbow?

[DrivillianGenocide]

What was that first ball?

[volodenon]

whip the elbow and still doesnt even get behind the ball, fail

[scottcenter]

Better start icing that elbow now!! OUCH!!

[80gerardtan]

That's a tweener not a cranker...

[supercog23whosdead]

@80gerardtan You're stupid, that's a cranker look at his a release a tweener has a lot smoother and relaxed release.

[80gerardtan]

@supercog23whosdead I guess u must b throwing like him to make u think he's a cranker...such a soft approach n release u call that a cranker? All i c is he's trying hard to b like a cranker, n i think u must b 1 of them...try harder dude...

[SUPERMOOS93]

@80gerardtan i have been bowling for 5-6 years and have never heard of these, what are they? and whats the difference?

[80gerardtan]

@SUPERMOOS93 If u notice this guys approach, his 'late timing' isn't there at all. Check out da ball speed down da lane before slow motion it's too slow to be call a cranker. Being a cranker is about being able to put huge amounts of revs on a ball plus fast ball speed down da lane at da same time.

[SUPERMOOS93]

@80gerardtan ohh, turns out im a cranker :D

[EdwardBaker94]

@80gerardtan ////your wrong

[402omb]

@80gerardtan agree completey

[makimaki0616]

はじめまして。

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