According to Dr. James Elstone Dow, late of Allentown College of Saint Francis DeSales in Penna, what Mr. Howell says is "Nigras", pronounced with the vowels short, this was the "polite" appellation that was greatly in use at the time...Pretending that the word "nigger" was unknown, or was never used is naught else but a bare-faced lie But it wasn't used by everyone, and was certainly not considered proper speech---a kid would have had some sort of correction administered---any more than ain't
..."spring of 64" 1864 that is. Wow, amazing! Imagine we can hear a persons voice who was there at that time! I wish we could have tapes from 1764 too, but that is of course impossible, lol.
Great historical record. For every critic out there, this is the voice of someone that was born 160+ years ago. Right or wrong, he fought for what he and his neighbors were passionate about at that time. If that principle of our democracy can not be resolved peacefully then it is unfortunate... but true, when it is resolved as it was 150 years ago. Can we as a nation come together and preserve this union today with common sense, or are we going to fight again?
@claynpendleton The lesson to be learned from the past 150 years is that Federalism has, by now, proven to be a failure. It's utterly impossible for a government which is popularly elected yet governs centrally to govern effectively over a large expanse of territory with different cultures and ideas on the best way to live and be governed. The only way to keep "the Union" together will be as a form of a confederation where each state can govern itself with very limited federal over sight.
"I tried all in my power to avert this war. I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on till the last man of this generation falls in his tracks, and his children seize the musket and fight our battle, unless you acknowledge our right to self government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence, and that, or extermination." Jefferson Davis
Here's what Stephens said about northern motivations:
“Their philanthropy yields to their interests. Notwithstanding their professions of humanity, they are disinclined to give up the benefits they derive from slave labor. The idea of enforcing the laws, has but one object, and that is collection of the taxes, raised by slave labor to swell the fund necessary to meet their heavy appropriations. The spoils is what they are after though they come from the labor of the slave.”
I'm not gonna make some smart ass comment, but this is just a very cool video, I didn't really listen to WHAT he said as much as just thinking of what it would be like if I saw/did what he did.
I knew it! Almost all of the Confederate Soldiers did not own slaves. As a matter of fact if a person owned 10 or more slaves then they did not have to fight. So states rights really was the reason why they fought.
Strange that jews start an internal conflict over slavery, in which they were the masters and main controllers themselves. it's got to have another reason why the Civil war ocurred.
Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederacy, referring to the Confederate government: "Its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery . . . is his natural and normal condition." [Augusta, Georgia, Daily Constitutionalist, March 30, 1861.] He said that before Ft Sumter and before it was realized after defeat they'd need a better excuse that slavery.
@MrRedwardo I have reviewed and researched thousands of records of first hand accounts from both sites of the War Between the Confederate and United States which contradict and debase the puritan revisionist that Johnny Reb fought for Uncle Tom. In this debate the only fabric you people evern throw back is the chopped piece of Stephens' cornerstone speech. It's no good authority anyway considering Stephens was at odds and all but banished from the Davis Administration.
@superiorelephant I am an Aussie myself; and I object to you brainwashing our international friends with such myths. Western Australians are some of the richest citizens in Australia - thanks to the mining boom. Selfish WA is the only Australian state to ever attempt secession. The West don't have it that bad.
Gee, they say everyone has a double. The moment my wife and I saw this gentleman's photo, we both thought "Hadyn Rorke -Dr.Bellows from I dream of Jeannie".
State's Rights, yes, even as an Aussie I can accept that as a reason. We have the same problem. the Eastern States have the population and the wealth, anywhere outside New South Wales or Victoria, go suck rocks!!
Mind you, Slavery in the USA was an evil that HAD to be abolished. Shame that it cost so many lives when give&take on both sides may have prevented it. Let no-one say that American soldiers are lacking in courage.and conviction...........Blue OR Grey.
the fact that the year of the audio 1942 is not displayed on the clip, and that I had to go search for it in the comments, doesn't help build my trust in the authenticity of the account
Apparently Mr Howell never read the articles of secession of his state from the Union. He was traitor scum to the USA plain and simple. He fought for the states right to own other men for profit.
Today I fly Bonnie Blue proudly & dedicate tonight's shabbot services to brave southerners like Major Rafael Jacob Moses, Colonel Abraham Myers, Senator David Levy Yulee, Surgeon General Samuel P. Moore, Judah Benjamin etc. who stood up to yankee aggression.
Shema Yisroel, Adonnoy Elohanu, Adoony Achod. Hear O Israel in blessed & eternal memory of South's Sons and Daughters of Abraham. Upon the Battlefields & Homefront they gave all to the Cause.
@goodoldrebel8 : like all far right zealot Zionists, you confuse hate with pity. To think that the 90% of decent Jews globally are represented by a far right, murderous, hate-driven IDF, is a blot on honest Zionists, who believe that the Palestinian people at least deserve their homeland at the 1967 borders.
Iromically, as time passes a one state solution becomes increasingly likely.....Israel/Palestine will be the new State's name...
Remember the Nakbar...the world will never forget it.
@kevinherbert This is a site about the brave soldiers who served in the CSA, so stop diverting the topic with all this towel head nonsense. The displaced jordanians should go back to jordan. -- period -- end of story
@goodoldrebel8 : they were no doubt brave, but they would've been downright ashamed of your racist views...towelheads huh..I suppose the 3 million Vietnamese civilians MURDERED by the US in the 19060's & 70's were only gooks....you're a racist Zionist..how sad for your family...and for the future of Israel.
Now what? Your turning this site into a pro-communism chat? Your an adolescent mentality regardless of your age. This site is about the Stars and Bars so unscramble the signals in that empty cavity between your ears.
@goodoldrebel8 : is it any wonder that the USA is in deep shit economically & socially with cretans like you infecting its bowels. You're unemployed & bitter & it shows, boy.
You're a Jewish race supremacist, just like those evil schmutters at AIPAC in DC....the end is nigh boy...again......just you wait & see.
It is not a flag of hate!!!!! The War between the States was about many things and issues, slavery being one. It was NOT the reason for the War. Get your facts right! Many folks did not own slaves, but they lived in the Glorious Southland. So there. Many of the biggest racists are in South Boston, Massachusetts. This recording has nothing to do with "hate," though some folks that's all they know how to say---"racist," so they can end all intelligent conversation, by calling others, "racist."
Happy Confederate Heroes Day 2012. It doesn't matter what the yankees have transformed this day into, it will still always be a tribute to the brave americans who had the courage to stand up against yankee aggression
Oh, I see. He was, after the war, commander of the United Confederate Veterans and, in that capacity, wore the uniform of a Confederate general. He, of course, was only a low ranking enlisted man during the war. So, he might not have lied at the time, everybody around him understanding the situation.
@24491327cfn no you will rot in hell you will not accept being wrong and you will not try to learn the truth instead you act as though were rapists and we will rot in hell you have your head so far up your ass its unbelievable and did you know that when they burnt part of the south that your sin free,polite,wonderful general grant raped the southern woman before they killed them?you guys are just perfect and were just bastards. the war was not over slavery get that through your thick skull
@minecraft2400 course it wasn't over slavery!!...it was about states rights!...the right of the states to decide if you could fuck a 12 year old girl or boy if you had the money to buy one....show us the evidence about grant i'd love to see it
@24491327cfn your retarted and and look it up on the web it will bring it up. im done fighting with a little 10 yr old who thinks hes a big know it all im tired of you damn yanks trollin on our vids just to fight with us. and grant is in hell lee is in heaven
@minecraft2400 everyone knows it all!...its all there in black and white,..all you got to do is look.
its taken more than 100 years to wipe the evil of slavery away because one side claimed you could be honourable without havin morals.
admit it, you wish you could go back to those days and have a few slave boys/girls yourself.dont you!!!..or murder a couple of union negro prisoners you caught.....andersonville wheres that place again?
@24491327cfn Fuck You.... You're not even an American you don't understand fully the impact that the Civil War had on the US. Respect history before you make an asinine statment like that.
@24491327cfn take a kfc & colt 45 break. who beside another cockroach would want to penetrate a smelly stanky negroe vaginal canal anyway. Okay, now I'm communicating on your level so you can understand and don't have to worry about spelling difficut words like 'fought'. you and your kind are an albatross around America's neck. How could lincoln have dumped that emancipating piece of toilet paper on America and turned this beautiful country into the 'New Zimbabwe'
Grant apologized for General Order Number 11 and attended a synagogue service later. How could Alexander Stephens and Jefferson Davis set up a country where people ideally were arrested and beaten for learning how to read without permission, preaching an "unauthorized" religion, or criticizing the government? They were the ones who were turning America into the 'New Zimbabwe'.
If you're American, you're a traitor to my country. If not, you're a traitor to Israel.
Thanks for the upload! Although trained no doubt as a speaker, by himslef or a teacher, his dialect here maybe carries accurately a portion of the kind of English spoken from shortly after his birth. It does not vary much, grammaticaly speaking, from the English of the majority today. But I have to say my Nebraskan Grandparents born in '04 and '19, out of Tenessee and Missouri, had a huge!accent compared to this.
Yankees were truly the original nazis, detroying half the country, pillaging and harming the civilian population. Always remember grant's antisemitic order 11. And lets not forget Rosewell Ga.. Lets always remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice for the cause.
@goodoldrebel8 I know this may blow your mind, but the war is over and the past is long settled. It is 2012. We can only hope that each individual has learned to judge another by the content of their character, and that's it. Yankee aggression? What century do you live in?
@goodoldrebel8 Yankee agression is yours? I could have sworn I'd heard that phrase before, like in Cold Mountain for openers. Here's an original. The civil war was a mind bending waste of human life human potential and resources. It launched the country into separatism and the Jim Crow era and in the long run made the future worse for slaves and their posterity. The civil war decimated southern culture leaving its stained with arrogance and hubris. Slaves weren't freed, just transferred.
@imrnlil The south was destroyed with nazi like tactics. The yankees were truly the original nazis. The north had the money, supplies etc. yet places like Camp Douglas and Point Lookout existed as testaments to yankee atrocities.Your only source of information is artificial entertainment like 'movies'? You better pick up the pace a bit.
@goodoldrebel8 The nazi's imprisoned people based on race, then forced them to labor under inhumane conditions with the threat of death and torture. They tore apart families. Now, who did that? Could it be...NAZIS? Even Rhett knew the north was better equipped than the south, oops movie reference again. My point is only this, the war was waste. There were other options to ending slavery without killing and destruction and ensconcing bigotry.
@imrnlil Sherman for example was the epitome of a nazi. The third reich modeled & justified their civilian torch policy based upon the blue belly behavior towards unarmed civilians. I piss on yankeedome mentality. Stop the yankee slavery talk nonsense & start discussing facts like the Morrel Tax Act. President Davis remains one of the greatest defenders of the Constitution. All you have in your head is the yankee line of bullsh*t that's been shoved down joe public's throat for 150 years.
@goodoldrebel8 Look, who cares? What difference does it make to retry that era? It's over, the war is over. My only point is that it never should have been fought, there were other ways to end slavery, and war is a waste of human life and material resources. You know what, screw yourself. Good old rebel. Would you like to continue slavery? The nazi's were the plantation owners you jerk. On down the line, man.
@imrnlil You're just spouting the joe repeater cog one dimensional yankeedome nonsense that's been shoved down joe public's throat. Why don't you conduct some research instead of spouting the same mindless nonsense that the yankees have been shoving down your throat. Are you capable of forming any thoughts of your own? I'm not for slavery but for recolonization.
@goodoldrebel8 I'm spouting my opinion. Not quoting anyone, I've done no scholarly research. I just feel that the war was unnecessary because there were other ways to end slavery. And that war in particular did more harm than good. That is my opinion, my own thought. It is interesting to hear the voice of someone so far in the past and their story, that's it.
Wow! This gentleman is alert and well spoken. He tells his story very well. Clearly he's a very intelligent man. What's strange is that he hardly has anything that I would call a Southern accent. Someone else comments that this is an old Virginia accent. Fascinating. Any actors performing in Civil War movies should study his speech patterns.
There was no reference to state's rights in any of the constitutions drafted by the new confederate states. Another interesting fact is that the bulk of the southern soldiers were non-slave owning sustenance farmers. Due to the rigid social norms of the south at the time, the only social class below the farmers was the slaves. They fought to keep the order this way, to know that they were better off than at least one group. This war was a war to preserve slavery and the southern social structure
@minecraft2400 There were other countries that had slavery and ended them without war. I'm not condoning slavery, far from it. Slavery needed to end with the foundation of the country. Look at the destruction that war brings, the loss of life. The slaves could have been purchased by the north and set free while no new slaves were brought in. There were other options.
@imrnlil So basically, you're plan would be to give the south money so they could probably purchase MORE slaves, and the north would then purchase THOSE slaves, giving the south MORE money, and repeat the cycle? I mean, I'm not a history buff so I don't know anything, but I look at it from that perspective and think, that's retarded.
Not everything is solved through talking. That only seems to work when you can prove you have the upper hand.
@DarkWatch87 Not at all. I'm saying there were better alternatives besides the destruction of war. The slave trade could have been curtailed, slaves bought and freed, with federal funds, and for a time there could have been some sort of subsidy for the loss of manpower. Weigh the real loss of that war against the economic loss borne by ceasing free labor.
The American civil war was probably the first total war of the industrial age - since this gentleman lived right through the WW1 & WW2 era I wonder if he thought the world was getting better or worse?
You must also consider that his father or Grand father knew veterans from the 1812 and even the American War of independence - it is amazing to think of the space of time which his collective memory connects us with.
From Gatlin guns to the atom bomb and the V2 - the first missile in space!
@jstrahan2 most likely he recieved several battle field promotions, it was fairly common as the officers were killed, the next sr guy got the promotion to officer and so on. I read accounts where one man started as a privite, and within 2 years at most he was a General, simply by his seniors being killed in combat.
He is on no list of Confederate generals I've ever seen. Most likely he gave himself an immediate promotion from private to general after the war. Some might say he exaggerated his wartime service (others would say he lied.).
@ atrophyfilms2012 ... "slavery was the final straw"- Lincoln And His Union Didnt Give A Damn About Slavery Until The War Lost Support. Lincoln Tried To Gain Support Anywhere He Could. Slavery Was Just A Way For Him To Gain Support From Radicals. If Slavery Was Important Why Didnt They Free The Slaves Early In 1861 - Not Late 1862. If Lying Makes You Feel Better Then Wrap Yourself In The Flag And Tell Yourself That Yankees Were Good And The South Was Bad... Real Historians Know The Truth...
@1thepler If he freed the slaves in '61, he lost the border states. It is quite simple to see that when you don't just read neo-confederate propaganda. Although the individual soldiers on both sides were overall good, this is a vary black and white war, the south wanted to keep its slaves, and the tide was turning against that in the north. Slavery had ceased to expand, and would have been voted out in congress. The south was unwilling to live with (See next post)
@1thepler The fact that their special institution would soon be threatened, so the rich slave owners whipped the locals into a frenzy about "states rights," when in actuality it was just a way to prolong the life of slavery. The Confederacy was not a viable nation, and if by some act of god it had gained independence, it would have become a banana republic on steroids, and would eventually have been annexed. I could go on and on, but I know your type lives with their head up their ass
Love it, hate it or don't give a damn about it, the Civil War was fought for a great number of reasons. Northerners had no right to a clear conscience on blacks or slavery. Gen Grant was a slave owner, as was Mary Lincoln. Gen Lee and the majority of southern soldiers were not. Lee thought slavery was wicked but could not bare to raise his hand against his 'home'. Could you?
PS: atrophyfilms2012 , you're one of the reasons Southerners still despise yankees, That whole war was wrong, could have been avoided but the reason it started had a lot less to do with slavery than it did with politics, power, & purse strings. Read your history, or go back to a real school..................
in response to atrophyfilms2012 , My great grand father fought to preserve his home & family from invaders in his home state of Virginia. He owned no slaves nor would he have done so. Your attitude is ignorant and condescending, which I find typical of most armchair yankee scholars . Read your history and open your mind just a crack. I feel like reporting you for the disgusting comparison to Nazis. Look at what Grant did at spotsyvania to his wounded & dying, that's more like Hitler.
yes, slavery was evil. and maybe war was inevitable because of the bitterness it caused. but in truth it didn't matter why the southern states tried to secede. the union of the states was voluntary from its foundation. they were not compelled to join. they could have remained independent outside the union. lincoln himself said he would have left slavery alone if he could keep the union intact, which was his main objective. his ambition to force the states to remain was his justification for war.
In regard to Howell's comments on General Lee. I am aware that Lee free his slaves before the war. I am also aware that Union general Grant earned slaves at the time. I am not attacking the military leaders, or the young soldiers, but rather the redesigning of history by cry baby Southerners.
If some of you can't accept that your great, great grandfathers fought to preserve slavery, I understand. It's still hard for the German people to accept that their grandfathers fought for Nazism, and German occupation of Europe.
It's so funny to hear the South still playing the victim after 150 years. I understand there were tensions between the States decades before the war; and that the issue of states rights, as well as the Washington placing high taxes on cotton, were both factors. But slavery was the final straw.
@cscptdave your constitution guarantees a lot of rights that actually infringe on the rights of others. Like, for example, the right not to get shot. The rights of individuals, in this case human slaves, came before the rights of the states.
@atrophyfilms2012 O and our country was known as This Confederation of states,Did you hear that,Confederation Of States.The Confederates were the true patriots fighting against those who would seek to change our government granted to us by our founding fathers.If you think i'm a liar,Then read the Articles Of Confederation and be educated in American history
@atrophyfilms2012 So u r saying the poor people of the south were fighting for the rich man so he could keep his slaves,That's what the war was about is what ur saying,correct?Hate to tell you,but poor people couldnt afford slaves LOL People like you use slavery to cover up the truth about the war.O and ur saying the racist whites in the north at that time were fighting to free the black man,Right?Brush up on 19th century american history pal And get back to me when you learn a little historyLOL
@atrophyfilms2012 Let me guess,you never liked history in school did you?How did i know,Because you don't know anything about history lol Thats how,If you did know history u would at least know the history of ur own country LOL You know you don't know the history of world government's,So why do you pretend to?
@atrophyfilms2012 Yes, the Constitution guaranteed the right. Read it some time. Want to change the Constitution? The means in outlined. It is called an Amendment. Speaking of Amendments, did the NORTH offer an Amendment to PROTECT slavery for all time if the South would return to the Union? Yes, it was called the Corwin Amendment. Learn some history before you smart off, boy.
So the questions becomes; Why didn't the Southern States accept this proposition? If the secession of these States was about slavery; was not this the answer and solution to that problem which people associate as being the reason the Southern States seceded? We know the offer was 100% refused; Why?
@360000mike Simple. The Corwin Amendment was refused because it didn't offer anything that the Constitution didn't already guarantee, and the South had already seceded. Your other recent posts contain far too many falsehoods to address here. Fact is the Constitution doesn't address secession at all. Lost Causers use secessions's supposed legality to divert attention from the bloody war they started. By the way, the Confederacy's motto was "Deo Vindice", not "Deo us Vindices."
@galoon WRONG! Not all states had seceded when the Amendment was proposed. VA, NC, TN and AK were the last 4 states to secede. They seceded bcuz Lincoln was forcing them to send troops to attack SC. Those states refused and Lincoln said it was an act of war in doing so. btw You haven't a clue as to why I use the motto "Deo us Vindices". Not Deo Vindice
@360000mike "Declarations of Causes of Secession DOES NOT have the first thing to do with Lincoln invading the South!"
When did I say that they did? I cited the Declarations of Causes to show that slavery was not a pretext. It was THE CAUSE of secession, and secession was the cause of the war because the south thought it could take federal property just because it passed ordinances of secession. Lincoln "invaded" the south to reclaim federal property that the southern states stole.
Lincoln, in his 1st inaugural address, said of the Corwin Amendment:"I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution which amendment, has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. [H]olding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express & irrevocable." Michael--Deo us Vindices
@360000mike "every state had the power to secede if they so desired, even for NO reason."
Proof?
"Lincoln did not fight to end slavery. He is quoted as saying so. If it were over slavery, and states retained rights to secede"
Is it possible for southerners to comprehend that the North fought for a different reason than the South? The North didn't fight to end slavery, that's a fact, but the South seceded because of the threat to slavery that Lincoln and the Republicans posed. That's also a fact
No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.
@360000mike "The federal government never complained about any of this until Lincoln came to power"
Pure ignorance. President Andrew Jackson (1832):
"Secession, like any other revolutionary act, may be morally justified by the extremity of oppression; but to call it a constitutional right, is confounding the meaning of terms, and can only be done through gross error, or to deceive those who are willing to assert a right, but would pause before they made a revolution"
Lincoln & the Federal Government offered a bribe to the seceded Southern States if they would rejoin the union. The deal was the "Corbin Amendment". The Amendment to the Constitution would forever make slavery legal in the US & every state would be forced to abide by making slavery legal. In return the seceded states ONLY had to return to the union, no questions asked and START paying the new tariff rates which rose from the South paying app. 85% of all federal taxes and tariffs to app. 94%.
Pt 2.. Even Sherman biographer Lee Kennett, who writes very favorably of the general, concluded that had the Confederates won the war, they would have been "justified in stringing up President Lincoln and the entire Union high command for violation of the laws of war, specifically for waging war against noncombatants."
@360000mike "It was the North that invaded the SOuth."
Wrong again. Everyone already knows about Fort Sumter, but relatively few people know that the south was also the first side to invade a neutral state. In May 1861, the Kentucky Legislature passed a Declaration of Neutrality. In September 1861, CSA General Polk violated this neutrality by occupying the city of Columbus, which pushed most Kentucky sympathy toward the Union side. The war was truly the War of Southern Aggression.
Pt1. In his memoirs Sherman wrote that when he met with Lincoln after his March to the Sea was completed, Lincoln was eager to hear the stories of how thousands of innocent Southern civilians, mostly women, children, and old men, were plundered, starved, sometimes murdered, and rendered homeless. Lincoln according to Sherman, laughed almost uncontrollably at the stories..
@360000mike "Lincoln orchestrated the attack on Sumter. He broke a peace agreement with SC and forced them to fire on the fort."
Those are the two most ignorant statements I've ever read. No matter how much you want to deny it, Sumter was federal property. Lincoln didn't break any peace agreements. What kind of psycho thinks defending one's own property is an aggressive act of war? The same people who think electing as president an anti-slavery man was an aggressive act of war? You're nuts.
on tariffs once in office and he is quoted as privately saying so,
but Lincoln needed time. Did Lincoln know something we didn’t?
Lincoln had a plan?
US Army Hd Quarters March 12th 1861 Orders to reinforce Fort Pickens in Pensacola, Florida were sent to waiting warship in direct conflict between the Florida and US Government. Orders were directly issued by President Lincoln. Orders received on
@360000mike Lincoln's tariff "ambitions" are irrelevant. He didn't have the power to raise tariffs. That requires consent by both houses of Congress.
Jackson didn't back down during the Nullification crisis. South Carolina repealed its nullification ordinance.
Wherever you're getting your information from is ignorant of basic US history and government. Where DID you get your information from? You didn't cite anything in Parts 1-6. And you didn't answer any of my questions.
@360000mike That's not what South Carolina's declaration of secession said. It doesn't mention tariffs at all. A member of SC's secession convention made the suggestion to include the tariff among the causes, but was soundly voted down. But don't take my word for it; please feel free to read the declaration for yourself; it's easy to find online.
@KayBeeEee1983 PART 7 unconstitutional acts concerning the Southern States. Those acts included: --Including launching an invasion of the South without consulting Congress, as required by the Constitution; --declaring martial law; --blockading the Southern ports; --suspending the writ of habeas corpus for the duration of his administration; --imprisoning without trial thousands of Northern citizens; --arresting and imprisoning newspaper publishers who were critical of him;
@360000mike "Declarations of Causes of Secession DOES NOT have the first thing to do with Lincoln invading the South!"
When did I say that they did? I cited the Declarations of Causes to show that slavery was not a pretext. It was THE CAUSE of secession, and secession was the cause of the war because the south thought it could take federal property just because it passed ordinances of secession. Lincoln "invaded" the south to reclaim federal property that the southern states stole.
"What passes as standard American history is really Yankee history written by New Englanders or their puppets to glorify Yankee heroes and ideals." --- Dr. Grady McWhiney
@KayBeeEee1983 He doesn't know the history of the KKK either, which indeed isn't surprising. The KKK's main purpose during Reconstruction was to use terror and violence to scare blacks away from the polls, as well as to intimidate the Carpetbaggers. Basically, they were trying to turn the clock back to 1860. The KKK movement eventually grew too violent even for the tastes of Nathan B. Forrest, the KKK's first "Grand Wizard", and he left the organization.
If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution. -Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, 4 March 1861
Pt 2.. The North was enraged at the prospect of being despoiled of the rich feast upon which they have so long fed and fattened, and which they were just getting ready to enjoy with still greater gout and gusto. They were as mad as hornets because the prize slips them just as they are ready to grasp it. They would destroy the South to save it.
Pt 1. The South knew that it is their import trade that draws from the people's pockets sixty or seventy millions of dollars per annum, in the shape of duties, to be expended mainly in the North, and in the protection and encouragement of Northern interest. This is why the North could not let the South secede from the Union and would fight an enormously destructive and stupendously expensive war to prevent this. End Pt 1
@360000mike On the eve of the Civil War, the US Treasury contained a mere $200,000. It was hardly fattened on the rich feast of Southern prosperity you describe. This would be a good time to mention the fact that the Federal government was controlled by the South from 1787 until the 1850s. The North,because it was more attractive to immigrants due to free labor, was gradually surpassing the South as the dominant section; it's population and influence were growing fast. The South resented this.
@galoon WRONG again.... You best read your stats closer. Most of my postings concerning this comes from books I am using as quotes. Better yet, Google the stats. As for the South controlling congress, hardly. At best it was equal, at worst it favored the Northern region. How else could you get a 85% federal tax rate among other things?
btw--Why do you still want the South to be part of something it does not want to be part of? Why do you wish to force your views on other people & regions?
@360000mike There was no "tax rate"; there was a tariff on imported goods. Since the South voluntarily refused to industrialize, it chose to import European goods rather than buy American. The North paid less of the tariff because it didn't import as much. To answer your question, I am a Southerner myself. I don't want secession and neither do the vast majority of Southerners--it's egotistical, arrogant, and selfish of you to assume you speak for all of us.
@360000mike It's not as simple as that. True, Congress was about equal until the 1850s, but it's important to remember that many Northern Congressmen were Democrats who were friendly to Southern interests; same goes for the few Northern Presidents like Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan. So in effect the South indeed controlled Congress until the North's population increase began to make them more powerful in the House while their hostility to slavery increased.
Lincoln also admits he destroyed the Republic by attacking and invading the South. Lincoln saw as much and claimed, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Lincoln knew who was in charge of the government he headed: "In saving the Union, I have destroyed the republic. Before me I have the Confederacy which I loath. But behind me I have the bankers which a fear."
The united States is NO longer a Republic. Hasn't been since 1861. Michael--Deo us Vindices
Abraham Lincoln in his speech in Congress said when asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" Lincoln replied: "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?"
The South refused to become the economic vassal of the North. The South saw better times under its own banner, rather than subservience to the banner of the United States.
@360000mike "The South saw better times under its own banner, rather than subservience to the United States."
Interestingly, the South saw the greatest economic success and general progress in its history under the US flag since the Civil War. Under its feudal antebellum plantation system it was, by the 1850s, a stagnant, backward region with little immigration and little industry of its own.
@galoon WoW-How egotistical you are! So; Why would the great North want a backward region, full of misfits under a feudal system the US Constitution permitted? It is odd that such a "backward" region produced 75% of the GNP and already paid app. 85% of the federal taxes before Lincoln was even elected, and Lincoln wanted a tax rate of app. 96%! But again that's why Lincoln attacked the South, for all that money and wealth. The North was actually poor by comparison.
According to Dr. James Elstone Dow, late of Allentown College of Saint Francis DeSales in Penna, what Mr. Howell says is "Nigras", pronounced with the vowels short, this was the "polite" appellation that was greatly in use at the time...Pretending that the word "nigger" was unknown, or was never used is naught else but a bare-faced lie But it wasn't used by everyone, and was certainly not considered proper speech---a kid would have had some sort of correction administered---any more than ain't
Grundsau47 1 day ago
@MrAlmightyCornholio He said "Negros."
Even if he had said "niggers," that was a common word back then. Black people would refer to themselves as niggers.
tidewaterboy1 2 days ago
..."spring of 64" 1864 that is. Wow, amazing! Imagine we can hear a persons voice who was there at that time! I wish we could have tapes from 1764 too, but that is of course impossible, lol.
annazt11 4 days ago
Damn racism damn the federal govermemt,long live a confederate america.
TheKasier410 4 days ago
8:38 NIGGERS?
MrAlmightyCornholio 5 days ago
I really wish this guy knew his legacy. He is literally speaking across generations! How many people can say that?
dm6182696 6 days ago 6
Amazing. He was one young man in a gigantic war 150 years ago and his voice is talking to us now in 2012 as if he were sitting next to us.
Amazing & priceless artifact.
Ca1861 1 week ago
@Ca1861
if only we had that for George Washington or president Lincoln
johnson1095 6 days ago
Great historical record. For every critic out there, this is the voice of someone that was born 160+ years ago. Right or wrong, he fought for what he and his neighbors were passionate about at that time. If that principle of our democracy can not be resolved peacefully then it is unfortunate... but true, when it is resolved as it was 150 years ago. Can we as a nation come together and preserve this union today with common sense, or are we going to fight again?
claynpendleton 1 week ago
@claynpendleton The lesson to be learned from the past 150 years is that Federalism has, by now, proven to be a failure. It's utterly impossible for a government which is popularly elected yet governs centrally to govern effectively over a large expanse of territory with different cultures and ideas on the best way to live and be governed. The only way to keep "the Union" together will be as a form of a confederation where each state can govern itself with very limited federal over sight.
BradNC11175 1 week ago
Very cool. Thank you!
washington95 1 week ago
I get sick to my stomach everytime I think of all the Americans killed by other Americans. What a waste of resources and life.
tiredlawdog 1 week ago
"I tried all in my power to avert this war. I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on till the last man of this generation falls in his tracks, and his children seize the musket and fight our battle, unless you acknowledge our right to self government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence, and that, or extermination." Jefferson Davis
hungarygator 2 weeks ago
Here's what Stephens said about northern motivations:
“Their philanthropy yields to their interests. Notwithstanding their professions of humanity, they are disinclined to give up the benefits they derive from slave labor. The idea of enforcing the laws, has but one object, and that is collection of the taxes, raised by slave labor to swell the fund necessary to meet their heavy appropriations. The spoils is what they are after though they come from the labor of the slave.”
hungarygator 2 weeks ago
States Rights? Lie. Not true. Sad.
prompterbox 2 weeks ago
I'm not gonna make some smart ass comment, but this is just a very cool video, I didn't really listen to WHAT he said as much as just thinking of what it would be like if I saw/did what he did.
tp22clt 2 weeks ago 6
I knew it! Almost all of the Confederate Soldiers did not own slaves. As a matter of fact if a person owned 10 or more slaves then they did not have to fight. So states rights really was the reason why they fought.
rangers94ism 3 weeks ago
Strange that jews start an internal conflict over slavery, in which they were the masters and main controllers themselves. it's got to have another reason why the Civil war ocurred.
shetlandwool 3 weeks ago
I live in Virgina a Confederate state at the time, interesting
PureHeavenlySultan 3 weeks ago
Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederacy, referring to the Confederate government: "Its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery . . . is his natural and normal condition." [Augusta, Georgia, Daily Constitutionalist, March 30, 1861.] He said that before Ft Sumter and before it was realized after defeat they'd need a better excuse that slavery.
MrRedwardo 3 weeks ago
@MrRedwardo I have reviewed and researched thousands of records of first hand accounts from both sites of the War Between the Confederate and United States which contradict and debase the puritan revisionist that Johnny Reb fought for Uncle Tom. In this debate the only fabric you people evern throw back is the chopped piece of Stephens' cornerstone speech. It's no good authority anyway considering Stephens was at odds and all but banished from the Davis Administration.
rebelcry99 2 weeks ago
@superiorelephant I am an Aussie myself; and I object to you brainwashing our international friends with such myths. Western Australians are some of the richest citizens in Australia - thanks to the mining boom. Selfish WA is the only Australian state to ever attempt secession. The West don't have it that bad.
atrophyfilms2012 3 weeks ago
Gee, they say everyone has a double. The moment my wife and I saw this gentleman's photo, we both thought "Hadyn Rorke -Dr.Bellows from I dream of Jeannie".
State's Rights, yes, even as an Aussie I can accept that as a reason. We have the same problem. the Eastern States have the population and the wealth, anywhere outside New South Wales or Victoria, go suck rocks!!
superiorelephant 1 month ago
@superiorelephant
Mind you, Slavery in the USA was an evil that HAD to be abolished. Shame that it cost so many lives when give&take on both sides may have prevented it. Let no-one say that American soldiers are lacking in courage.and conviction...........Blue OR Grey.
I'd sooner have you "with us than agin us" ;)
superiorelephant 1 month ago
the fact that the year of the audio 1942 is not displayed on the clip, and that I had to go search for it in the comments, doesn't help build my trust in the authenticity of the account
cpepe223 1 month ago
please do not take goodoldrebel8's words as the words of all jews or confederate jews for that matter.
second their is no justification of any mass murder by america or any one else
third a zionist does not mean a Jewish supremasist or a rasist
finally just because grant when once to visit a synagouge or appologize does not give the victims of order 11 thier home or thier lively hood
modernkepi 1 month ago
Apparently Mr Howell never read the articles of secession of his state from the Union. He was traitor scum to the USA plain and simple. He fought for the states right to own other men for profit.
2ezee2011 1 month ago
Happy Confederate Heroes Day.
Today I fly Bonnie Blue proudly & dedicate tonight's shabbot services to brave southerners like Major Rafael Jacob Moses, Colonel Abraham Myers, Senator David Levy Yulee, Surgeon General Samuel P. Moore, Judah Benjamin etc. who stood up to yankee aggression.
Shema Yisroel, Adonnoy Elohanu, Adoony Achod. Hear O Israel in blessed & eternal memory of South's Sons and Daughters of Abraham. Upon the Battlefields & Homefront they gave all to the Cause.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 : screw Israel...a fascist, ethnic cleansing state
kevinherbert 1 month ago
@kevinherbert
All your hate doesn't matter because the IAF is the best and Israel will be here till the end of time. I only wish the south could rise again.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 : like all far right zealot Zionists, you confuse hate with pity. To think that the 90% of decent Jews globally are represented by a far right, murderous, hate-driven IDF, is a blot on honest Zionists, who believe that the Palestinian people at least deserve their homeland at the 1967 borders.
Iromically, as time passes a one state solution becomes increasingly likely.....Israel/Palestine will be the new State's name...
Remember the Nakbar...the world will never forget it.
kevinherbert 1 month ago
@kevinherbert This is a site about the brave soldiers who served in the CSA, so stop diverting the topic with all this towel head nonsense. The displaced jordanians should go back to jordan. -- period -- end of story
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 : they were no doubt brave, but they would've been downright ashamed of your racist views...towelheads huh..I suppose the 3 million Vietnamese civilians MURDERED by the US in the 19060's & 70's were only gooks....you're a racist Zionist..how sad for your family...and for the future of Israel.
kevinherbert 1 month ago
@kevinherbert
Now what? Your turning this site into a pro-communism chat? Your an adolescent mentality regardless of your age. This site is about the Stars and Bars so unscramble the signals in that empty cavity between your ears.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 : is it any wonder that the USA is in deep shit economically & socially with cretans like you infecting its bowels. You're unemployed & bitter & it shows, boy.
You're a Jewish race supremacist, just like those evil schmutters at AIPAC in DC....the end is nigh boy...again......just you wait & see.
kevinherbert 1 month ago
If the stupid SOPA/PIPA bills get past, we will lose important stuff like this
Silentghost45 1 month ago
It is not a flag of hate!!!!! The War between the States was about many things and issues, slavery being one. It was NOT the reason for the War. Get your facts right! Many folks did not own slaves, but they lived in the Glorious Southland. So there. Many of the biggest racists are in South Boston, Massachusetts. This recording has nothing to do with "hate," though some folks that's all they know how to say---"racist," so they can end all intelligent conversation, by calling others, "racist."
BigBingFan 1 month ago
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Happy Confederate Heroes Day 2012. It doesn't matter what the yankees have transformed this day into, it will still always be a tribute to the brave americans who had the courage to stand up against yankee aggression
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
Oh, I see. He was, after the war, commander of the United Confederate Veterans and, in that capacity, wore the uniform of a Confederate general. He, of course, was only a low ranking enlisted man during the war. So, he might not have lied at the time, everybody around him understanding the situation.
jstrahan2 1 month ago
This is amazing. This is apart of our history! Let's hope this is kept safely away somewhere other then Youtube.
anakinfan12002 1 month ago
the south is still as racist as the north ,that war created more hate,KKK and the crips and bloods that plague our streets today
motoshop07 1 month ago
or boy..
24491327cfn 1 month ago
fuck him... he faught for the right to fuck some 12 year old black girl...if he had the money to own one... may he rot in hell
24491327cfn 1 month ago
@24491327cfn no you will rot in hell you will not accept being wrong and you will not try to learn the truth instead you act as though were rapists and we will rot in hell you have your head so far up your ass its unbelievable and did you know that when they burnt part of the south that your sin free,polite,wonderful general grant raped the southern woman before they killed them?you guys are just perfect and were just bastards. the war was not over slavery get that through your thick skull
minecraft2400 1 month ago
@minecraft2400 course it wasn't over slavery!!...it was about states rights!...the right of the states to decide if you could fuck a 12 year old girl or boy if you had the money to buy one....show us the evidence about grant i'd love to see it
24491327cfn 1 month ago
@24491327cfn your retarted and and look it up on the web it will bring it up. im done fighting with a little 10 yr old who thinks hes a big know it all im tired of you damn yanks trollin on our vids just to fight with us. and grant is in hell lee is in heaven
minecraft2400 1 month ago
@minecraft2400 everyone knows it all!...its all there in black and white,..all you got to do is look.
its taken more than 100 years to wipe the evil of slavery away because one side claimed you could be honourable without havin morals.
admit it, you wish you could go back to those days and have a few slave boys/girls yourself.dont you!!!..or murder a couple of union negro prisoners you caught.....andersonville wheres that place again?
states rights my ass!
24491327cfn 1 month ago
@minecraft2400
Agree, 100%. We all remember grant's infamous anti-semitic order 11. grant, sherman and all the other war criminals were truly the original nazis.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@minecraft2400 Agree
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@24491327cfn Fuck You.... You're not even an American you don't understand fully the impact that the Civil War had on the US. Respect history before you make an asinine statment like that.
anthonyAJR 1 month ago
@anthonyAJR ex slave narritives are all lies then eh!...
24491327cfn 1 month ago
@24491327cfn take a kfc & colt 45 break. who beside another cockroach would want to penetrate a smelly stanky negroe vaginal canal anyway. Okay, now I'm communicating on your level so you can understand and don't have to worry about spelling difficut words like 'fought'. you and your kind are an albatross around America's neck. How could lincoln have dumped that emancipating piece of toilet paper on America and turned this beautiful country into the 'New Zimbabwe'
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8,
Grant apologized for General Order Number 11 and attended a synagogue service later. How could Alexander Stephens and Jefferson Davis set up a country where people ideally were arrested and beaten for learning how to read without permission, preaching an "unauthorized" religion, or criticizing the government? They were the ones who were turning America into the 'New Zimbabwe'.
If you're American, you're a traitor to my country. If not, you're a traitor to Israel.
MegaAstrodude 1 month ago
sounds like grampa simson
namsamram 1 month ago
states rights be damned We are ONE state the world is ONE state its called humanity
ETECHJOEs 1 month ago
Thanks for the upload! Although trained no doubt as a speaker, by himslef or a teacher, his dialect here maybe carries accurately a portion of the kind of English spoken from shortly after his birth. It does not vary much, grammaticaly speaking, from the English of the majority today. But I have to say my Nebraskan Grandparents born in '04 and '19, out of Tenessee and Missouri, had a huge!accent compared to this.
badback22 1 month ago
Yankees were truly the original nazis, detroying half the country, pillaging and harming the civilian population. Always remember grant's antisemitic order 11. And lets not forget Rosewell Ga.. Lets always remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice for the cause.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 What cause was that?
imrnlil 1 month ago
@imrnlil Standing up against yankee aggression.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 I know this may blow your mind, but the war is over and the past is long settled. It is 2012. We can only hope that each individual has learned to judge another by the content of their character, and that's it. Yankee aggression? What century do you live in?
imrnlil 1 month ago
@imrnlil
You can't respond with anything other than mindless cognitively adolescent nonsense?
Your just a one dimensional 'joe repeater' cog. Do you have any original thoughts at all?
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 Yankee agression is yours? I could have sworn I'd heard that phrase before, like in Cold Mountain for openers. Here's an original. The civil war was a mind bending waste of human life human potential and resources. It launched the country into separatism and the Jim Crow era and in the long run made the future worse for slaves and their posterity. The civil war decimated southern culture leaving its stained with arrogance and hubris. Slaves weren't freed, just transferred.
imrnlil 1 month ago
@imrnlil The south was destroyed with nazi like tactics. The yankees were truly the original nazis. The north had the money, supplies etc. yet places like Camp Douglas and Point Lookout existed as testaments to yankee atrocities.Your only source of information is artificial entertainment like 'movies'? You better pick up the pace a bit.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 The nazi's imprisoned people based on race, then forced them to labor under inhumane conditions with the threat of death and torture. They tore apart families. Now, who did that? Could it be...NAZIS? Even Rhett knew the north was better equipped than the south, oops movie reference again. My point is only this, the war was waste. There were other options to ending slavery without killing and destruction and ensconcing bigotry.
imrnlil 1 month ago
@imrnlil Sherman for example was the epitome of a nazi. The third reich modeled & justified their civilian torch policy based upon the blue belly behavior towards unarmed civilians. I piss on yankeedome mentality. Stop the yankee slavery talk nonsense & start discussing facts like the Morrel Tax Act. President Davis remains one of the greatest defenders of the Constitution. All you have in your head is the yankee line of bullsh*t that's been shoved down joe public's throat for 150 years.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 Look, who cares? What difference does it make to retry that era? It's over, the war is over. My only point is that it never should have been fought, there were other ways to end slavery, and war is a waste of human life and material resources. You know what, screw yourself. Good old rebel. Would you like to continue slavery? The nazi's were the plantation owners you jerk. On down the line, man.
imrnlil 1 month ago
@imrnlil You're just spouting the joe repeater cog one dimensional yankeedome nonsense that's been shoved down joe public's throat. Why don't you conduct some research instead of spouting the same mindless nonsense that the yankees have been shoving down your throat. Are you capable of forming any thoughts of your own? I'm not for slavery but for recolonization.
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
@goodoldrebel8 I'm spouting my opinion. Not quoting anyone, I've done no scholarly research. I just feel that the war was unnecessary because there were other ways to end slavery. And that war in particular did more harm than good. That is my opinion, my own thought. It is interesting to hear the voice of someone so far in the past and their story, that's it.
imrnlil 1 month ago
Wow! This gentleman is alert and well spoken. He tells his story very well. Clearly he's a very intelligent man. What's strange is that he hardly has anything that I would call a Southern accent. Someone else comments that this is an old Virginia accent. Fascinating. Any actors performing in Civil War movies should study his speech patterns.
LaszloBencze 1 month ago
There was no reference to state's rights in any of the constitutions drafted by the new confederate states. Another interesting fact is that the bulk of the southern soldiers were non-slave owning sustenance farmers. Due to the rigid social norms of the south at the time, the only social class below the farmers was the slaves. They fought to keep the order this way, to know that they were better off than at least one group. This war was a war to preserve slavery and the southern social structure
iliketurtlesandbacon 1 month ago
Fantastic to hear such a voice so clearly, with actual inflections from the 1860's - this is not an actor guessing - it's the real thing.
( Ironically, it sounds a bit like an old, white George Foreman! )
CusterFlux 2 months ago
@CusterFlux I was trying to figure out who this gentleman sounded like. You hit it right o the head. He sounds like George Foreman.
stuvo1977 5 days ago
This war should never have been fought.
imrnlil 2 months ago
@imrnlil yeah the union shoulda left us alone
minecraft2400 1 month ago
@minecraft2400 There were other countries that had slavery and ended them without war. I'm not condoning slavery, far from it. Slavery needed to end with the foundation of the country. Look at the destruction that war brings, the loss of life. The slaves could have been purchased by the north and set free while no new slaves were brought in. There were other options.
imrnlil 1 month ago
@imrnlil So basically, you're plan would be to give the south money so they could probably purchase MORE slaves, and the north would then purchase THOSE slaves, giving the south MORE money, and repeat the cycle? I mean, I'm not a history buff so I don't know anything, but I look at it from that perspective and think, that's retarded.
Not everything is solved through talking. That only seems to work when you can prove you have the upper hand.
DarkWatch87 1 month ago
@DarkWatch87 Not at all. I'm saying there were better alternatives besides the destruction of war. The slave trade could have been curtailed, slaves bought and freed, with federal funds, and for a time there could have been some sort of subsidy for the loss of manpower. Weigh the real loss of that war against the economic loss borne by ceasing free labor.
imrnlil 1 month ago
This is a priceless audio clip!
warriorofsteel01 2 months ago 13
@warriorofsteel01 i agree, i am an educator with glasgow (scotland) museums. what a gem. god bless him.
MrJimmyboy1972 3 weeks ago
The American civil war was probably the first total war of the industrial age - since this gentleman lived right through the WW1 & WW2 era I wonder if he thought the world was getting better or worse?
You must also consider that his father or Grand father knew veterans from the 1812 and even the American War of independence - it is amazing to think of the space of time which his collective memory connects us with.
From Gatlin guns to the atom bomb and the V2 - the first missile in space!
infokemp 2 months ago
sounds scottish
chaz1453 2 months ago
@chaz1453 Has that old Virginia accent.
blackirishdave 2 months ago
@blackirishdave yeah its way different from other old southern ones, which sound more english, like the ones from georgia, alabama etc
chaz1453 2 months ago
Why is he wearing the uniform of a general when he was only a corporal?
jstrahan2 2 months ago
@jstrahan2 most likely he recieved several battle field promotions, it was fairly common as the officers were killed, the next sr guy got the promotion to officer and so on. I read accounts where one man started as a privite, and within 2 years at most he was a General, simply by his seniors being killed in combat.
JohnMagillM 1 month ago
He is on no list of Confederate generals I've ever seen. Most likely he gave himself an immediate promotion from private to general after the war. Some might say he exaggerated his wartime service (others would say he lied.).
jstrahan2 1 month ago
@ atrophyfilms2012 ... "slavery was the final straw"- Lincoln And His Union Didnt Give A Damn About Slavery Until The War Lost Support. Lincoln Tried To Gain Support Anywhere He Could. Slavery Was Just A Way For Him To Gain Support From Radicals. If Slavery Was Important Why Didnt They Free The Slaves Early In 1861 - Not Late 1862. If Lying Makes You Feel Better Then Wrap Yourself In The Flag And Tell Yourself That Yankees Were Good And The South Was Bad... Real Historians Know The Truth...
1thepler 2 months ago
@1thepler If he freed the slaves in '61, he lost the border states. It is quite simple to see that when you don't just read neo-confederate propaganda. Although the individual soldiers on both sides were overall good, this is a vary black and white war, the south wanted to keep its slaves, and the tide was turning against that in the north. Slavery had ceased to expand, and would have been voted out in congress. The south was unwilling to live with (See next post)
pieman97405 2 months ago
@1thepler The fact that their special institution would soon be threatened, so the rich slave owners whipped the locals into a frenzy about "states rights," when in actuality it was just a way to prolong the life of slavery. The Confederacy was not a viable nation, and if by some act of god it had gained independence, it would have become a banana republic on steroids, and would eventually have been annexed. I could go on and on, but I know your type lives with their head up their ass
pieman97405 2 months ago
to little mr lighter knot
despite the fact that youse fascists had free labour ( slaves ) you still could not win the war...
gauchoparaguayo 2 months ago
WE THOUGHT WE WAS FIGHTING FOR OR FREEDOM WHEN WE FOUND OUT ALL YOU YANKEY BASTARDS WANTED WAS OUR NIGGERS WE GAVE UP AND LET YALL HAVE THEM !
MrLighterknot 2 months ago
Love it, hate it or don't give a damn about it, the Civil War was fought for a great number of reasons. Northerners had no right to a clear conscience on blacks or slavery. Gen Grant was a slave owner, as was Mary Lincoln. Gen Lee and the majority of southern soldiers were not. Lee thought slavery was wicked but could not bare to raise his hand against his 'home'. Could you?
Iknewb4udid 2 months ago
PS: atrophyfilms2012 , you're one of the reasons Southerners still despise yankees, That whole war was wrong, could have been avoided but the reason it started had a lot less to do with slavery than it did with politics, power, & purse strings. Read your history, or go back to a real school..................
travhank1 2 months ago
in response to atrophyfilms2012 , My great grand father fought to preserve his home & family from invaders in his home state of Virginia. He owned no slaves nor would he have done so. Your attitude is ignorant and condescending, which I find typical of most armchair yankee scholars . Read your history and open your mind just a crack. I feel like reporting you for the disgusting comparison to Nazis. Look at what Grant did at spotsyvania to his wounded & dying, that's more like Hitler.
travhank1 2 months ago 16
yes, slavery was evil. and maybe war was inevitable because of the bitterness it caused. but in truth it didn't matter why the southern states tried to secede. the union of the states was voluntary from its foundation. they were not compelled to join. they could have remained independent outside the union. lincoln himself said he would have left slavery alone if he could keep the union intact, which was his main objective. his ambition to force the states to remain was his justification for war.
azboomer1950 2 months ago
In regard to Howell's comments on General Lee. I am aware that Lee free his slaves before the war. I am also aware that Union general Grant earned slaves at the time. I am not attacking the military leaders, or the young soldiers, but rather the redesigning of history by cry baby Southerners.
atrophyfilms2012 2 months ago
If some of you can't accept that your great, great grandfathers fought to preserve slavery, I understand. It's still hard for the German people to accept that their grandfathers fought for Nazism, and German occupation of Europe.
atrophyfilms2012 2 months ago
It's so funny to hear the South still playing the victim after 150 years. I understand there were tensions between the States decades before the war; and that the issue of states rights, as well as the Washington placing high taxes on cotton, were both factors. But slavery was the final straw.
atrophyfilms2012 2 months ago
@cscptdave your constitution guarantees a lot of rights that actually infringe on the rights of others. Like, for example, the right not to get shot. The rights of individuals, in this case human slaves, came before the rights of the states.
atrophyfilms2012 2 months ago
@atrophyfilms2012 O and our country was known as This Confederation of states,Did you hear that,Confederation Of States.The Confederates were the true patriots fighting against those who would seek to change our government granted to us by our founding fathers.If you think i'm a liar,Then read the Articles Of Confederation and be educated in American history
drowgen 2 months ago
great story by this old reb...
superstock426 2 months ago
Dog whistling much? Wasn't about slavery? Historical revisionists piss me off. States' rights? Yes, the right to keep slaves.
atrophyfilms2012 2 months ago
@atrophyfilms2012 So u r saying the poor people of the south were fighting for the rich man so he could keep his slaves,That's what the war was about is what ur saying,correct?Hate to tell you,but poor people couldnt afford slaves LOL People like you use slavery to cover up the truth about the war.O and ur saying the racist whites in the north at that time were fighting to free the black man,Right?Brush up on 19th century american history pal And get back to me when you learn a little historyLOL
drowgen 2 months ago 2
@atrophyfilms2012 Let me guess,you never liked history in school did you?How did i know,Because you don't know anything about history lol Thats how,If you did know history u would at least know the history of ur own country LOL You know you don't know the history of world government's,So why do you pretend to?
drowgen 2 months ago
@atrophyfilms2012 Yes, the Constitution guaranteed the right. Read it some time. Want to change the Constitution? The means in outlined. It is called an Amendment. Speaking of Amendments, did the NORTH offer an Amendment to PROTECT slavery for all time if the South would return to the Union? Yes, it was called the Corwin Amendment. Learn some history before you smart off, boy.
cscptdave 2 months ago
People don't watch youtube videos anymore. All they do is argue.
lokks707 3 months ago
0:01 looks eerily like Bush.
flapdajaw 3 months ago
I have a family picture with this man.
SonnyRix 4 months ago
I thank you for this and Deo Vindice sir.
W6CSAhamradio 4 months ago
I thank you for your interview, sir.
Txboy85A 4 months ago
That man talks exactly like my grandfather did. Barely a contraction at all in his statement. Thank You so much for this.
G.B.- C.S.A.
alabama1913 4 months ago
So the questions becomes; Why didn't the Southern States accept this proposition? If the secession of these States was about slavery; was not this the answer and solution to that problem which people associate as being the reason the Southern States seceded? We know the offer was 100% refused; Why?
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike Simple. The Corwin Amendment was refused because it didn't offer anything that the Constitution didn't already guarantee, and the South had already seceded. Your other recent posts contain far too many falsehoods to address here. Fact is the Constitution doesn't address secession at all. Lost Causers use secessions's supposed legality to divert attention from the bloody war they started. By the way, the Confederacy's motto was "Deo Vindice", not "Deo us Vindices."
galoon 4 months ago
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@galoon WRONG! Not all states had seceded when the Amendment was proposed. VA, NC, TN and AK were the last 4 states to secede. They seceded bcuz Lincoln was forcing them to send troops to attack SC. Those states refused and Lincoln said it was an act of war in doing so. btw You haven't a clue as to why I use the motto "Deo us Vindices". Not Deo Vindice
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360000mike 3 months ago
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@360000mike "Declarations of Causes of Secession DOES NOT have the first thing to do with Lincoln invading the South!"
When did I say that they did? I cited the Declarations of Causes to show that slavery was not a pretext. It was THE CAUSE of secession, and secession was the cause of the war because the south thought it could take federal property just because it passed ordinances of secession. Lincoln "invaded" the south to reclaim federal property that the southern states stole.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
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@360000mike "the South paying app. 85% of all federal taxes and tariffs to app. 94%."
Do you have a source for those figures?
"Why didn't the Southern States accept this proposition?"
Because the CorWin amendment said nothing about slavery in the territories.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@360000mike Do you have a source for "the South paying app. 85%? of all federal taxes and tariffs to app. 94%"?
Please post the anecdote from Sherman's memoirs stating that Lincoln "laughed almost uncontrollably at the stories" of Yankee atrocities
Please post the clauses in the NY, RI, VA, & TX Const. that legalize unilateral secession from the USA
Please provide proof that unilateral secession "was taught in ALL universities"
Which "clearly written constitutional right" was the South deprived?
KayBeeEee1983 3 months ago
Slaves meant nothing to Lincoln.
Lincoln, in his 1st inaugural address, said of the Corwin Amendment:"I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution which amendment, has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. [H]olding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express & irrevocable." Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike "every state had the power to secede if they so desired, even for NO reason."
Proof?
"Lincoln did not fight to end slavery. He is quoted as saying so. If it were over slavery, and states retained rights to secede"
Is it possible for southerners to comprehend that the North fought for a different reason than the South? The North didn't fight to end slavery, that's a fact, but the South seceded because of the threat to slavery that Lincoln and the Republicans posed. That's also a fact
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
The proposed amendment reads:
No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike "The federal government never complained about any of this until Lincoln came to power"
Pure ignorance. President Andrew Jackson (1832):
"Secession, like any other revolutionary act, may be morally justified by the extremity of oppression; but to call it a constitutional right, is confounding the meaning of terms, and can only be done through gross error, or to deceive those who are willing to assert a right, but would pause before they made a revolution"
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
Lincoln & the Federal Government offered a bribe to the seceded Southern States if they would rejoin the union. The deal was the "Corbin Amendment". The Amendment to the Constitution would forever make slavery legal in the US & every state would be forced to abide by making slavery legal. In return the seceded states ONLY had to return to the union, no questions asked and START paying the new tariff rates which rose from the South paying app. 85% of all federal taxes and tariffs to app. 94%.
360000mike 4 months ago
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KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@360000mike "Every state at that time had the ability/freedom to secede. It was taught in ALL universities"
Proof?
"It was also wrote in the State Constitutions of NY, RI, VA and Texas"
Please post the clauses that you're referring to.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
Pt 2.. Even Sherman biographer Lee Kennett, who writes very favorably of the general, concluded that had the Confederates won the war, they would have been "justified in stringing up President Lincoln and the entire Union high command for violation of the laws of war, specifically for waging war against noncombatants."
End pt 2
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike "It was the North that invaded the SOuth."
Wrong again. Everyone already knows about Fort Sumter, but relatively few people know that the south was also the first side to invade a neutral state. In May 1861, the Kentucky Legislature passed a Declaration of Neutrality. In September 1861, CSA General Polk violated this neutrality by occupying the city of Columbus, which pushed most Kentucky sympathy toward the Union side. The war was truly the War of Southern Aggression.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
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KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
Pt1. In his memoirs Sherman wrote that when he met with Lincoln after his March to the Sea was completed, Lincoln was eager to hear the stories of how thousands of innocent Southern civilians, mostly women, children, and old men, were plundered, starved, sometimes murdered, and rendered homeless. Lincoln according to Sherman, laughed almost uncontrollably at the stories..
End pt 1
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike "Lincoln orchestrated the attack on Sumter. He broke a peace agreement with SC and forced them to fire on the fort."
Those are the two most ignorant statements I've ever read. No matter how much you want to deny it, Sumter was federal property. Lincoln didn't break any peace agreements. What kind of psycho thinks defending one's own property is an aggressive act of war? The same people who think electing as president an anti-slavery man was an aggressive act of war? You're nuts.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
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@KayBeeEee1983 Lincoln orchestrated the attack on Sumter. He broke a peace agreement with SC and forced them to fire on the fort."
"Those are the two most ignorant statements I've ever read."
Article in multiple parts in answer to your ignorance...
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 3 months ago
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@KayBeeEee1983 PART 1
"On Dec 6th 1860 there was an armistice agreed to and signed by
the US Government and South Carolina. Another was signed on Jan 29th
1861 with Florida, both stating that federal forts would not be
reinforced in order to reduce hostilities between the parties until
further agreements could be made concerning trade and tariffs. A
violation of this agreement would be considered an act of war! Note:
Basic resupply was allowable. Lincoln had no intention of compromising.
360000mike 3 months ago
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@KayBeeEee1983 PART 2
on tariffs once in office and he is quoted as privately saying so,
but Lincoln needed time. Did Lincoln know something we didn’t?
Lincoln had a plan?
US Army Hd Quarters March 12th 1861 Orders to reinforce Fort Pickens in Pensacola, Florida were sent to waiting warship in direct conflict between the Florida and US Government. Orders were directly issued by President Lincoln. Orders received on
March 31st.
360000mike 3 months ago
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@KayBeeEee1983 PART 3
However problems arose within the chain of command
questioning the validity of such orders.
US Supreme Court Judge John Campbell on March 15th stated Fort
Sumter will be evacuated by federal forces within 10 days. That very day
Cabinet member Montgomery Blair was assigning a force to reinforce Fort
Sumter, South Carolina. This was in direct violation of the signed treaties.
The question becomes; who gave Blair the orders to reinforce the fort?
360000mike 3 months ago
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@KayBeeEee1983 PART 4
Remembering that South Carolina seceded on Dec 20th 1860, was
because of Lincoln’s ambitions to raise, even double the tariff rate
that would drastically and for all intents and purposes suffocate the
Southern States abilities to trade with other countries, even to a point
with Northern States. Lincoln vowed he would not back down as Jackson
had previously. South Carolina felt it had no choice but to secede, while
Lincoln actually thought they were bluffing.
360000mike 3 months ago
@360000mike Lincoln's tariff "ambitions" are irrelevant. He didn't have the power to raise tariffs. That requires consent by both houses of Congress.
Jackson didn't back down during the Nullification crisis. South Carolina repealed its nullification ordinance.
Wherever you're getting your information from is ignorant of basic US history and government. Where DID you get your information from? You didn't cite anything in Parts 1-6. And you didn't answer any of my questions.
KayBeeEee1983 3 months ago
@360000mike That's not what South Carolina's declaration of secession said. It doesn't mention tariffs at all. A member of SC's secession convention made the suggestion to include the tariff among the causes, but was soundly voted down. But don't take my word for it; please feel free to read the declaration for yourself; it's easy to find online.
galoon 3 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 PART 5
(Over the preceding years
South Carolina had threatened secession many times.) The US Congress
adjourned March 28th. No federally elected officials in the Legislature
can now rebuff or question what Lincoln does.
Montgomery Blair had called an aid for service, his name being G.V. Fox.
Fox was sent to Lincoln for further orders. Lincoln sent him to New York
to assemble a resupply convoy for Fort Sumter. This was March 30th.
General Winfield Scott required Lincoln’s
360000mike 3 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 PART 6
hand written signature to carry
out these orders.
April 6th. Orders from Lt D.D. Porter on the USS Powhatan. Received
orders from President Lincoln concerning Pensacola. I will execute them.
The federal reinforcement at Pensacola is about to begin. All the while
Lincoln is entertaining a Southern Peace delegation, delaying them, and
no Federal Legislature to contend with. Lincoln took until July 4th to
convene congress. Then he admitted to them he committed
360000mike 3 months ago
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@KayBeeEee1983 PART Cite for unconstitutional acts:
(Cite ref.. Presidential War Power Louis Fisher and Spring 1997
Volume 3, Number 1 + book Lincoln’s War)
--censoring all telegraph communication;
--nationalizing the railroads;
--creating several new states without the consent of the citizens of those states;
--ordering federal troops to interfere with the elections in the North by
intimidating Democratic voters;
--deporting a member of Congress, Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio,
360000mike 3 months ago
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@KayBeeEee1983 PART 9
for criticizing the administration's income tax proposal at a Democratic
Party rally;
--confiscating private property;
--confiscating firearms in violation of the Second Amendment;
--and effectively gutting the ninth and 10th Amendments to the Constitution.
360000mike 3 months ago
@360000mike "Declarations of Causes of Secession DOES NOT have the first thing to do with Lincoln invading the South!"
When did I say that they did? I cited the Declarations of Causes to show that slavery was not a pretext. It was THE CAUSE of secession, and secession was the cause of the war because the south thought it could take federal property just because it passed ordinances of secession. Lincoln "invaded" the south to reclaim federal property that the southern states stole.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
"What passes as standard American history is really Yankee history written by New Englanders or their puppets to glorify Yankee heroes and ideals." --- Dr. Grady McWhiney
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
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@360000mike Hmm...so you don't know the causes of the civil war, but you apparently know the history of the KKK...not surprising.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 He doesn't know the history of the KKK either, which indeed isn't surprising. The KKK's main purpose during Reconstruction was to use terror and violence to scare blacks away from the polls, as well as to intimidate the Carpetbaggers. Basically, they were trying to turn the clock back to 1860. The KKK movement eventually grew too violent even for the tastes of Nathan B. Forrest, the KKK's first "Grand Wizard", and he left the organization.
galoon 4 months ago
What a hypocrite!
If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution. -Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, 4 March 1861
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
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@360000mike "the South paying app. 85% of all federal taxes and tariffs to app. 94%."
Do you have a source for those figures?
"Why didn't the Southern States accept this proposition?"
Because the CorWin amendment said nothing about slavery in the territories.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
Pt 2.. The North was enraged at the prospect of being despoiled of the rich feast upon which they have so long fed and fattened, and which they were just getting ready to enjoy with still greater gout and gusto. They were as mad as hornets because the prize slips them just as they are ready to grasp it. They would destroy the South to save it.
End Pt 2
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike "Lincoln according to Sherman, laughed almost uncontrollably at the stories"
Post that anecdote from his memoirs.
"Lincoln & the Federal Government offered a bribe"
That was Buchanan, not Lincoln
"The Amendment to the Constitution would forever make slavery legal in the US & every state would be forced to abide by making slavery legal"
Wrong. It would forever make slavery untouchable by the federal gov't, not forever legal in every state. You posted the amendment, did you read it?
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
Pt 1. The South knew that it is their import trade that draws from the people's pockets sixty or seventy millions of dollars per annum, in the shape of duties, to be expended mainly in the North, and in the protection and encouragement of Northern interest. This is why the North could not let the South secede from the Union and would fight an enormously destructive and stupendously expensive war to prevent this. End Pt 1
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike On the eve of the Civil War, the US Treasury contained a mere $200,000. It was hardly fattened on the rich feast of Southern prosperity you describe. This would be a good time to mention the fact that the Federal government was controlled by the South from 1787 until the 1850s. The North,because it was more attractive to immigrants due to free labor, was gradually surpassing the South as the dominant section; it's population and influence were growing fast. The South resented this.
galoon 4 months ago
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@galoon WRONG again.... You best read your stats closer. Most of my postings concerning this comes from books I am using as quotes. Better yet, Google the stats. As for the South controlling congress, hardly. At best it was equal, at worst it favored the Northern region. How else could you get a 85% federal tax rate among other things?
btw--Why do you still want the South to be part of something it does not want to be part of? Why do you wish to force your views on other people & regions?
360000mike 3 months ago
@360000mike There was no "tax rate"; there was a tariff on imported goods. Since the South voluntarily refused to industrialize, it chose to import European goods rather than buy American. The North paid less of the tariff because it didn't import as much. To answer your question, I am a Southerner myself. I don't want secession and neither do the vast majority of Southerners--it's egotistical, arrogant, and selfish of you to assume you speak for all of us.
galoon 3 months ago 2
@360000mike It's not as simple as that. True, Congress was about equal until the 1850s, but it's important to remember that many Northern Congressmen were Democrats who were friendly to Southern interests; same goes for the few Northern Presidents like Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan. So in effect the South indeed controlled Congress until the North's population increase began to make them more powerful in the House while their hostility to slavery increased.
galoon 3 months ago
@360000mike "in the protection and encouragement of Northern interest"
You mean INDUSTRIAL interest.
"The North was enraged at the prospect of being despoiled of the rich feast upon which they have so long fed and fattened"
And the South was enraged at the prospect of losing their right to own human beings, upon which they have so long fed and fattened.
"What a hypocrite!"
Which "clearly written constitutional right" was Lincoln depriving the South?
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
Lincoln also admits he destroyed the Republic by attacking and invading the South. Lincoln saw as much and claimed, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Lincoln knew who was in charge of the government he headed: "In saving the Union, I have destroyed the republic. Before me I have the Confederacy which I loath. But behind me I have the bankers which a fear."
The united States is NO longer a Republic. Hasn't been since 1861. Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?"
"In saving the Union, I have destroyed the republic. Before me I have the Confederacy which I loath. But behind me I have the bankers which a fear."
Both of those quotes are fake. How do you live with yourself?
"South knew that it is their import trade that draws from the people's pockets sixty or seventy millions of dollars per annum"
Could you be any more of a douche bag? Why didn't you just write "year" instead of "annum"?
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
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Abraham Lincoln in his speech in Congress said when asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" Lincoln replied: "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?"
The South refused to become the economic vassal of the North. The South saw better times under its own banner, rather than subservience to the banner of the United States.
Michael--Deo us Vindices
360000mike 4 months ago
@360000mike "The South saw better times under its own banner, rather than subservience to the United States."
Interestingly, the South saw the greatest economic success and general progress in its history under the US flag since the Civil War. Under its feudal antebellum plantation system it was, by the 1850s, a stagnant, backward region with little immigration and little industry of its own.
galoon 4 months ago
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@galoon WoW-How egotistical you are! So; Why would the great North want a backward region, full of misfits under a feudal system the US Constitution permitted? It is odd that such a "backward" region produced 75% of the GNP and already paid app. 85% of the federal taxes before Lincoln was even elected, and Lincoln wanted a tax rate of app. 96%! But again that's why Lincoln attacked the South, for all that money and wealth. The North was actually poor by comparison.
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360000mike 3 months ago