One thing I notice is while "anarchos" communists red skins or generaly lefitists are busy fighing and beating neo nazi extreme righ wingers nationalistics tradionalistics etc the status quo maintains the system even gets stronger since both sides show to general audience and public how extreme and radical they are and only see chaos and blood so they hate them and suport the status quo so in end of day while left and righ figh each other the capitalists turn the TV and laugh.
@ZLUGGO@frankassert all immoral people are "bastards", whether theyre in government, the police force or just criminals... its a failure to understand & uphold the basic principals of liberty that leads to immorality (search youtube for "the philosophy of liberty")
Crisis never collaborated with bonehead racist fuckwits like Skrewdriver. Tony Wakefield once joined the NF and has stated it was the worse decision he ever made. If you did some research you would find that Tony Wakefield denounces fascism outright with no equivocation. He is now involved musically producing neo-folk.
@TheEphos I'd be happier with DIJ protestation that they we'ren't nazis if they hadn't dressed up like SA Stormtroopers and put the SS Death'shead insignia on their records. Still people should be allowed to change their minds. The fact that they now apparently aren't fascists doesn't mean they never were...
I never said they DIJ weren't. fascists? I've no idea either way? My post was specifically in reference to Crisis and Tony Wakefield, who I did point out was once in the NF.
It's hard to say that DiJ was a "Nazi band", given that their references to WW2 are mostly nihilistic noir, certainly not glorifying. The most direct DiJ reference to WW2 is in the track "Heaven Street", a meditation on the horrors of the holocaust that was heavily influenced by the band members' viewing of the Alain Resnais film Night and Fog. (It is true that Tony Wakeford was involved in right-wing politics in the mid-80s, though he's since explicitly repudiated them.)
Is this the same band Crisis whose members went on to collaborate with the Nazi band Skrewdriver under the name Above the Ruins, and who later became the Nazi band Death in June, collaborating with other Nazis like Der Blutharsch?
@bnpinfo Yes, this is the same Crisis. i think the important phrase is "went on to". Obviously the (2) members of Crisis who went on to form DIJ, had a very extreme switch from left to right-wing politics (or not that extreme - authoritarian state communism is almost identical to fascism in my view), but the fact they changed their politics doesn't invalidate the things they did with Crisis.
@alphafoxtrotalpha1 even if DIJ's activities don't invalidate what DIJ members did as Crisis, it still makes this a very a very poor choice of soundtrack for an Anti-Fascist video! You can read a glowing report on DIJ in a recent on-line issue of the Nazi shit-zine "Blood and Honour"
BTW, check out BNP activist LooseRivet2103's video "Nick Cass Eddy Butler Yorkshire meeting part 3" in which BNP ex-councillor Lawrence Rustem says for years he was an infiltrator in AFA and Red Action
@bnpinfo Blood and Honour liking a band doesn't automatically make that band fascist or racist. Not even if B&H THINK they're of that political mindset. I remember Fear getting a write up in...Hammer...?...Anyway a WP magazine like that and noone would call them WP/fascist. Believe it or not, sometimes Nazis like good music and cool stuff, even if it isn't always for the right reasons.
@bnpinfo ... none such ... DIJ is non political and Albin is an enlightened schizo who ( apparently/allegedly) phones the Antifas a decent half an hour before their secret gigs start!!! With ex-friends like this do you really believe Douglas needs uninformed/alarmist criticism like yours? It's been 30 years since DIJs inception - will people ever learn?
@bnpinfo The Skrewdriver thing appears to just be a rumor. The real link is with Gary Wright, from the Nazi band No Remorse. He played on Above the Ruins, as well as some early Sol Invictus. Tony Wakeford's involvement with Death In June actually preceded the project Above the Ruins. Wright never played with Death In June.
@bnpinfo Death in June, a Nazi band ? saying that it's like to say that all actors playing nazis in war movies are really nazis.... I'm an anti-fascist and I love death in june cause I simply look beyond the veil & the uniforms they use... it's more complicated & definitively not for small minded persons. Read more about them.
Strong song. Gives me good shivers on my back
linselusa 4 months ago
One thing I notice is while "anarchos" communists red skins or generaly lefitists are busy fighing and beating neo nazi extreme righ wingers nationalistics tradionalistics etc the status quo maintains the system even gets stronger since both sides show to general audience and public how extreme and radical they are and only see chaos and blood so they hate them and suport the status quo so in end of day while left and righ figh each other the capitalists turn the TV and laugh.
ImperialGuard9001 6 months ago 2
@ImperialGuard9001 Divide & conquer, friend. Glad you noticed.
CrazyEddi3 4 months ago
yet again .nice one,carl,xx
carlis606 1 year ago
this is Crisis best vid - ever!
jocksilver7 1 year ago
@ZLUGGO @frankassert all immoral people are "bastards", whether theyre in government, the police force or just criminals... its a failure to understand & uphold the basic principals of liberty that leads to immorality (search youtube for "the philosophy of liberty")
djdnauk1977 1 year ago
45 seconds in and you will see AFA involved in pavement politics.
TheEphos 1 year ago
Crisis never collaborated with bonehead racist fuckwits like Skrewdriver. Tony Wakefield once joined the NF and has stated it was the worse decision he ever made. If you did some research you would find that Tony Wakefield denounces fascism outright with no equivocation. He is now involved musically producing neo-folk.
TheEphos 1 year ago
@TheEphos I'd be happier with DIJ protestation that they we'ren't nazis if they hadn't dressed up like SA Stormtroopers and put the SS Death'shead insignia on their records. Still people should be allowed to change their minds. The fact that they now apparently aren't fascists doesn't mean they never were...
alphafoxtrotalpha1 1 year ago
@alphafoxtrotalpha1
I never said they DIJ weren't. fascists? I've no idea either way? My post was specifically in reference to Crisis and Tony Wakefield, who I did point out was once in the NF.
TheEphos 1 year ago
DIJ isn't a nazi band, Douglas P. has played in Israel under the DIJ name.
Tony Wakeford, who was sacked from DIJ after he joined the NF, has openly renounced his former beliefs and is today married to a jewish woman.
KopenhagenBootboy 1 year ago
They seem too keen on riots in England.
ZLUGGO 1 year ago
@ZLUGGO We love it - All Coppers Are Bastards, old chap. ;)
frankassert 1 year ago
@frankassert
All criminals are bastards.
ZLUGGO 1 year ago
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@ZLUGGO We love it - All Coppers Are Bastards, old chap. ;)
frankassert 1 year ago
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@ZLUGGO We love it - All Coppers Are Bastards, old chap. ;)
frankassert 1 year ago
It's hard to say that DiJ was a "Nazi band", given that their references to WW2 are mostly nihilistic noir, certainly not glorifying. The most direct DiJ reference to WW2 is in the track "Heaven Street", a meditation on the horrors of the holocaust that was heavily influenced by the band members' viewing of the Alain Resnais film Night and Fog. (It is true that Tony Wakeford was involved in right-wing politics in the mid-80s, though he's since explicitly repudiated them.)
delirium909 1 year ago
Is this the same band Crisis whose members went on to collaborate with the Nazi band Skrewdriver under the name Above the Ruins, and who later became the Nazi band Death in June, collaborating with other Nazis like Der Blutharsch?
bnpinfo 1 year ago
@bnpinfo Yes, this is the same Crisis. i think the important phrase is "went on to". Obviously the (2) members of Crisis who went on to form DIJ, had a very extreme switch from left to right-wing politics (or not that extreme - authoritarian state communism is almost identical to fascism in my view), but the fact they changed their politics doesn't invalidate the things they did with Crisis.
alphafoxtrotalpha1 1 year ago
@alphafoxtrotalpha1 even if DIJ's activities don't invalidate what DIJ members did as Crisis, it still makes this a very a very poor choice of soundtrack for an Anti-Fascist video! You can read a glowing report on DIJ in a recent on-line issue of the Nazi shit-zine "Blood and Honour"
BTW, check out BNP activist LooseRivet2103's video "Nick Cass Eddy Butler Yorkshire meeting part 3" in which BNP ex-councillor Lawrence Rustem says for years he was an infiltrator in AFA and Red Action
bnpinfo 1 year ago
@bnpinfo Death In June were never Nazis, but some people need to continue to scapegoat them for something. Boredom perhaps?
EzekielWhateley 1 year ago
@EzekielWhateley I spose that's why DIJ got such a good write-up in the Blood and Honour magazine lol
bnpinfo 1 year ago
@bnpinfo Blood and Honour liking a band doesn't automatically make that band fascist or racist. Not even if B&H THINK they're of that political mindset. I remember Fear getting a write up in...Hammer...?...Anyway a WP magazine like that and noone would call them WP/fascist. Believe it or not, sometimes Nazis like good music and cool stuff, even if it isn't always for the right reasons.
EzekielWhateley 1 year ago
@bnpinfo ... none such ... DIJ is non political and Albin is an enlightened schizo who ( apparently/allegedly) phones the Antifas a decent half an hour before their secret gigs start!!! With ex-friends like this do you really believe Douglas needs uninformed/alarmist criticism like yours? It's been 30 years since DIJs inception - will people ever learn?
jocksilver7 1 year ago
@bnpinfo The Skrewdriver thing appears to just be a rumor. The real link is with Gary Wright, from the Nazi band No Remorse. He played on Above the Ruins, as well as some early Sol Invictus. Tony Wakeford's involvement with Death In June actually preceded the project Above the Ruins. Wright never played with Death In June.
RoseCrossVato 1 year ago
@bnpinfo Death in June, a Nazi band ? saying that it's like to say that all actors playing nazis in war movies are really nazis.... I'm an anti-fascist and I love death in june cause I simply look beyond the veil & the uniforms they use... it's more complicated & definitively not for small minded persons. Read more about them.
Skumbomb 10 months ago