ZeitGuisE - Moving Backwards - part 1 - "NWO Technocratic Prison?"

[erasmusso]

This video is awesome! Whenever I need to laugh and ridicule someone, I watch this!

[Sajjid9]

get a grip uploader and maker of this waste of energy...

[Truth35Seeker]

GREAT JOB !!

[Steelwolf696]

Bs propaganda

[anotherdrummer23]

Bwahaaahahhaaahahahaahahahahah­ahah!

What an "informative" video.....

lol

[TheErsatzMode]

Congratulations because you have – wittingly or otherwise – produced nothing but invalid propaganda. As for Jacque’s freedom comment: you utterly distorted his point. Until we transcend and take non-corporeal form, we are not free and never can be; we are always constrained to live in this galaxy; we are always in need of oxygen; we always have to eat, and gravity sucks! You need to appreciate the philosophical context of Jacque’s message.

[TheErsatzMode]

Adonis, you are polarised! Just because the solution sounds approximately similar to the nefarious agenda of the power elite does not mean they are one and the same. It’s lucky the ZM does not rave on about eating food and drinking water because, I’m sure if they did, you would condemn such practises because of their association, and you would be dead within a week!

[osheaad]

I think you are mis-portraying the venus project and its potential benefits; and you take imaginary corollaries that fall away from the truth/meaning of the message Jacque spoke. So, you are jumping the conclusion, because fear and panic make you unable to do the logic and not just preconceptions.

[osheaad]

Epcot did not have cybernetic machine doing the marketing of good and services based on sustainable distribution.

[MUSLIMSareCHOMOS]

did 28 people even watch this for more than 5 minutes before thumbing?

[kapesun]

Where can I get a transcript of this video? Too much information coming at me too fast to absorb

[fleckx]

That was not the message I got from Zeitgeist AT ALL! It always comes down to work for you guys. "You're all just lazy and want handouts! Sheep!" Yes, that is exactly what it means to not want to be ruled by a war-mongering cash-whoring control machine.

[anarchore]

The creator of this video is mired in ignorance. Basic human nature is not selfish, that is one of the poison ideas THEY have ingrained into you.

Thus they offer fascism as the solution for you people that are afraid of yourselves.

Humans have lived without government for millions of years, and government is an aberation, a parasite.

Once we emerge from this wretched age people will wonder how the controllers managed to force this vileness on us, it's all in your head all your head...

[anarchore]

Frescos work needs to be paired with the vision of anarchists like Kropotkin to create a truely free society. Seems like true freedom could flourish in the kind of vision of the Venus Project. I don't know if the Zeitgeist ppl advocate for a stateless society but that is truely what is needed or we are headed for extinction. The guy talking seems to be putting words into people's mouths and fails to make the case other than the city looks like Logan's Run.

[gr0gg0]

This is like approaching a problem by looking down the toilet and examine the turd for relative fact. You realize it's brown, the word brown has five letters, the same amount of corners is in a pentagram. The one who took the first crap must have been a satanist! This satanist must have been the reason to lots of shit in the world and the problem you are facing! It's so obvious, no more pooping, no more problem. O_o ... makes no fucking sense? Exactly.... *super ultra double face palm*

[FrEEloa]

i think it's so funny the way you conspiracy theorists aproach people, you start telling about the mass media is dumb and it's being controlled by the elite and then you start telling what to think. Now this is emprisionment

Have you noticed the music?It gives you the impression that you are like hearing the mind of god, but yet this is just another youtube user, dont illude please

[pimpdarlin]

Hey, if people want to go & live in the Venus Project, then I support them. I will not be joining them in their NWO wet dream of a society & I hope they will give me the same courtesy. Somehow, I doubt it though.

I advise anyone who is tempted by the Venus Project to find out more about the NWO & look to history to see how tyranny has been sold to people.

They will see that the Venus Project is nothing new after all.

LOVE.

[brahmbhattbhavna]

peter joseph merola does not dislike the kkk

[AdonisKingAXC]

@boblafro first I suppose we must define what a Utopia is:

Definition of UTOPIA

1: an imaginary and indefinitely remote place

2often capitalized : a place of ideal perfection especially in laws, government, and social conditions

3: an impractical scheme for social improvement

Seems both ways are impractical in their own way. I trust none who call themselves "Social ENGINEERS" yet has poor social skills.

[Kgeorge86]

@AdonisKingAXC you're an idiot, open up a fucking history text book before you talk about politics

[AdonisKingAXC]

@Kgeorge86 Is that the best response you can give?... Sadly typical of undereducated individuals who must use "name calling" as a defense with nothing but a vague insinuation that I have NOT studied my history.. Very pathetic...you apparently share the same poor social skills.. I advise you take your own advice! PEACE! ~a~

[kmica2008]

@Kgeorge86 you're 25 and still an angry teenager. pathetic.

[711Daniels]

You so miss understood him when he says he thinks religions gotta he never says forcing it down only through education and eventual realization of what your bibles really are not some GOD book with all the answers if it where so it wasn't written in english do how would you know if it's the same you don't But I won't make you with a gun say I don't believe in religion btw I believe in god just none that are portrayed

[711Daniels]

Ok no where in the vp does it have where you can't question or read what you want where do you get that from affiliated with nwo...? Sorry but that made no sense if he was nwo goon he'd be rich and this would be getting way more coverage he's not gonna live to control this he has no children so I don't see the connection lastly the system is anything but control your free to do whatever the living hell you want there isn't a police force or some group with power who shoots people for asking que

[AinurEru]

Jaque Fresco said many times:

"There is no utopia, there can never be any! Knowledge is always changing, and the social design must change with it. THERE IS NO FINAL FRONTIER (!!!)"

I'm sorry, you are simply uninformed...

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AinurEru I heard him say that and I am still looking things over... But it is not just what one says which the younger people listen to. I know that many of you see things from a logical basis but so did many who followed Jim Jones to Jonestown.. Jones had a great idea also.. He never intended his "plan" to fail and it was not until much later that he lost his mind... Now I am not suggesting Fresco is another Jones but I do know some of the younger followers have not analyzed this well. PEACE

[AinurEru]

@AdonisKingAXC As to more/less blind-following of youth after jaque/peter, I totally agree. I am engaged with some of them, and try to make them see where they might be following blindly.

However, that is immaterial to the subject at hand, which is: "Are these ideas viable/practical?"

That is the only thing of importance right now as fas as I'm concearned.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AinurEru We all must approach this as we feel is correct and indeed we all should "question EVERYTHING".I would love to hear/read your conclusions and I can appreciate your views. I only ask that people consider mine as well. Frankly I would love to fund a prototype and see what happens.. I suspect however it would collapse but hey, wise is he who admits he may be wrong..In fact I PRAY I AM WRONG.. but .. well, time will tell.. PEACE! ~a~

[AinurEru]

Another example:

Agenda21 / Epoc - Has jobs, money, governance by people, etc.

TVP - Han none of the above. Technology is not controlling people, just energy collection and distribution, and nutrition-substance manufacturing and distribution. that's it.

Mistakes:

TVP population will NOT be only within tightly-packed sky-scrapers. There are many suggestions for residency, none of which fits this description. Most ones are designed so no house can see other houses, just natural scenery..

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AinurEru I feel this is based on a false psychological and sociological premise from the get-go. The debate over "Nurture Vrs Nature" has not been won my Fresco (who admits he has NO CREDENTIALS which I assume means he is SELF-EDUCATED).. I think this whole thing is a dangerous experiment that could end in many people being disappointed if nothing else. Most of the peeps I have seen get behind this are VERY INTELLIGENT and empathetic (which i do admire) HOWEVER not OLD ENOUGH to be wise

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AinurEru That is good.. I am doing the same thing.. just Publically and in a form which will entertain the MTV crowd while still providing another viewpoint. I too value facts which includes History and either side can only provide speculation since we both agree .. as Fresco has admitted.. this has never been tried before... TRUTH IS TRUTH and no matter what method is used or not used matters little so long as we all eventually reach TRUTH.. all else is methodology and conjecture.

[AinurEru]

@AdonisKingAXC Can you see the contradiction of this argument?:

You acknowledge the fact that this idea has never been tried before, yet your method of inquiry is legitimizing historical analysis as a means of producing relevant facts.

You cannot redraw conclusions about the viability of TVP by historical analysis - period (!).

So, what are your objections withing the logic of the idea itself?

Be material/topical.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AinurEru please move on to part 2 where perhaps more of my position can be better understood (i hope).. I have never found the limitations of YouTube Comments to be very good for debating "specifics".. Frankly, I would rather debate Fresco himself anyway since you clearly state you are not currently affiliated nor endorse the ZM. I will continue my personal study and appreciate your thoughts/ feelings/etc. If this Fad grows to a danger level I will be back with more..PEACE! ~a~

[AinurEru]

@AdonisKingAXC First, let's get something straight between us:

I AM NOT A ZM ADVOCATE (!)

Not yet, anyways, I may become one someday.

And within the internal circles of discourse within the ZM itself, I am still one of the most hard critiques of it.

HOWEVER:

My methods of discourse are informative and material, and have nothing to do with surface-asociations.

Let's be frank here - searching for surface-asociation is more childish then being topical and well informed.

[AinurEru]

@AdonisKingAXC You assume that credentials are the only measue/indicator for sound knowledge. I wonder what's your basis for that assumption. Is academia infallible? Is it not prone to dogma? Is it unaffected by monetary incentices?

Peter is not only basing his arguments on Jaque, here is a more "credentialled" guy:

watch?v=NNnIGh9g6fA&feature=ch­annel

As for Nature vs. Nurture:

watch?v=3vMC3TPuOOo

[AinurEru]

For example:

Agenda21 - Abolishment of private property (moving to state ownership)

TVP - Abolishment of the concept of "property" itself, as it is an illusion created by our ego, as a survival-strategy in situations of material scarcity.

Introduce abundance for all, and "property" becomes obsolete - it is NOT TRANSFERRED TO THE STATE BECAUSE THERE IS NO STATE (!!!) GLOBAL OR ANY OTHER (!).

If you had inquired properly, you would have known this.

That is just one example, I can think of 10 more

[AinurEru]

It is truly sad that the only way of interpretation of novel idea, is by it's association with existing ideas.

How about actually inquiring into the idea itself BEFORE denouncing it by your perceived surface associations?

Your way of thought is contradictory, as it goes with a double standard:

You are stating that ZM advocates are no inquiring, while it i is yourself that is not doing so.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AinurEru This was my first take and I continued my research beyond this simplistic first step (which i still basically agree with).. did you watch part 2?.. I have part 3 that gets even more detailed than 2 and even adresses some of the PROVEABLE connections I have found leading to some very odd places.. But i am resisting publishing it because frankly its almost too weird for me.. I figure however this is a fad and will die on its own eventually when everybody grows up and realizes the errors.

[AinurEru]

@AdonisKingAXC As to your perceived connections, how about a change in strategy:

Instead of continuing down the path of finding surface-associations, why not watch as many videos of jaque fresco himself talking?

As to part 2, yea I watched it. I found very little connection to TVP.

As for TVP itself being a fad, it might end up being it - but lets explore it as thoroughly as we can before reaching to that conclusion (!). That would be the only responsible way to go about it.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AinurEru I am trying to be fair and have spent quite a few hours listening to Jacque. Frankly I find both he and Peter Joseph to be rather arogant and elitist but I don't wish to attack the people involved .. I am opposed to the idea's basic premise and the possibility that eventually it could be Stolen and USED by the powers we all dislike. I am analyzing this using the logic and wisdom I have acquired in almost a half century of life on earth

[AinurEru]

@AdonisKingAXC You assume that credentials are the only measue/indicator for sound knowledge. I wonder what's your basis for that assumption. Is academia infallible? Is it not prone to dogma? Is it unaffected by monetary incentices?

Peter is not only basing his arguments on Jaque, here is a more "credentialled" guy:

watch?v=NNnIGh9g6fA&feature=ch­annel

As for Nature vs. Nurture:

watch?v=3vMC3TPuOOo

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AinurEru thanks ..I agree credentials often mean a person has become brainwashed into a particular system of thought.. Part 2 shows how education is actually programming people to a way of thinking that if not Marxist..borders on it..I avoid most people who claim to be "Social Engineers" since the very word "engineer" when added after "social" suggests "one who seeks to control/mold/form a social ideology.I would be more comfortable in Fresco admitted to being merely a "social THEORIST"

[TheLaunchingPad]

And please, leave your weapons at the door. But you cannot see our store-houses of tanks and artillery under the airports and food distribution centers. LOL, what a scam the Venus Project is. Prove you can do this with a test...or reality show, c'mon. What, you're just going to take our money and build this, money LOL, or are you taking volunteers? What a LIE!

[AdonisKingAXC]

@TheLaunchingPad Looks to me like an awesome place to gain a life..yet Lose your Soul. Such ideas first rely on voluntary imprisonment but eventually such an idea MUST expand to work ...and my question would then be what do you do with those who choose NOT to "join the collective"? What about those who might fight against it?

[TheLaunchingPad]

@AdonisKingAXC -Word to my Brutha! And my answer to your last question is - they would starve them to death. Remember, they said they would distribute the food supply. You are right to say it is a VOLUNTARY PRISON. Good call!

[OrgonVpH7]

Zeitgeist = Autocratic corporatism dictatorship = big idea

Revolution of military affairs

Empiricism will enslave every cell of your organism

The perfect slave is the one who think he's free (people will love it)

All the social pressure you are feeling now it's being designed at least since 1973 for you to accept the big idea, no money.

[ytgv3fc7]

@LongPastPNR this video is something you could learn from

[TheLaunchingPad]

@OrgonVpH7 -True dat!

[MrHypermoto]

I agree that the Venus Project is not the answer. I feel that we require more freedom and variation in our lives than a world like that could provide. However, that is merely one suggestion for an alternate way of life and is not a reason to discount an entire film. The points the film makes are all valid and time-sensitive; at least the creators of it are attempting to open a dialoge. Shooting down new ideas is a lot easier than coming up with them.

[SimianAxiom]

lol .... While I was watching the ZEITGEIST film, the movie Logans Run kept coming into mind. looks like I'm not the only one who was thinking it. ;)

[njc67]

Humans and (all) utopias should be kept well apart.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@njc67 indeed! PEACE! ~a~

[ytgv3fc7]

@tmzofficialchannel wow, I can't believe just how original Jacques Fresco was, and how honest! ;)

[benatssu]

im sorry u misunderstood what the venus project proposes, it's just an idea of a city, a new way of living.. no one will be confined to a city, u could live anywhere on the planet, jobs will still exist, it's just the boring monotonous jobs that machines can do for us that will be eliminated.. science will be at the frontier.. instead of bashing jacque's ideas, how about thinking of solutions, and we can all work together in creating a new future..

[TheLaunchingPad]

@benatssu -Good attitude! But we already have no jobs LOL. And it was machines that took most of them away, giving nothing back. But yes, let's build a better future city for sure.

[ufoimtc]

I wonder how much acid that old dude has dropped, & how much he puts in the kool-aid of his followers!

[AdonisKingAXC]

@ufoimtc lol.. be nice.. I must say that the peeps who follow this idealistism are actually some nice people who dream of a hope they all think is truly possible.. I do not discourage creativity..I just see how THIS idea is like some kind of PLASTIC 60's HOG FARM for Trekkies and fits very well into setting up for a BRAVE NEW WORLD where peace and love and joy are fed daily into the water supply.. I find the idea unacceptable at a gut level alone.. beyond that i am still exploring. PEACE ~a~

[redeyestint]

The connections this video tries to make connecting the VP/ZG with the NWO and the Occult are pathetic and religious propaganda. This is conspiracy BS calling out another concept as a conspiracy, the Hypocrisy! Your NWO Elite are Corporatist and Bankers, Not Scientists, the Supposed NWO want a Fascist World not what you claim. Does the Monetary-Market system harms human life? Nature and animals? The planet!?? Life in general?? Nature/Life/Reality is a Dictatorship!

[AdonisKingAXC]

@redeyestint I am going to cover every possible aspect of this thing and document my findings no matter what they end up being. Many of your questions will be dealt with in the balance of the series. PEACE! ~a~

[redeyestint]

A technocracy is not a dictatorship, the Venus project talks of a resource based economy where there is No Government , Not a social philosophy. Zeitgeist supposes our monetary-capitalism system creates an environment that breeds greed, destruction and many supposed "human natures" which Christians would call Evil or Sinful.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@redeyestint please go on to part 2 and bare with me.. I will show how this all fits together because it is indeed MORE than a simple technocracy... Technocracy becomes the "logical" method presented to solve a semi-ficticious problem (Global Warming and Sustainability). It depends I suppose on who one wishes to believe as having spent time as a govt. researcher I well know the stats are fabrications..but that will come in future episodes.. thanks for watching.. Peace! ~a~

[InternationalRabbit]

It's marxism with robots and computers.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@InternationalRabbit pretty much.. i am doing a whole series on this subject since i know many young peeps who see the VISION..but NOT THE REALITY. Peace! ~a~

[BeondSpectrum]

For me...

It WORKS...

The only question is, will the final product reflect the original BluePrints?...

I couldn't say...

[AdonisKingAXC]

@BeondSpectrum Looking at the number of adherants involved right now it is unlikely it would go much further than some kind of bizarre new age plastic hippy commune.. That is unless something major changes. I was born in 1961 and saw the differnce in "programming" take effect (I was actually in a "progressive test school" and saw the change occure to frame the mind to this "NEW THOUGHT" "Brave New World" programming. If you were born after 1969 you were completely indoctrinated..

[AdonisKingAXC]

@BeondSpectrum I am attempting to FREE THE CAPTIVE MINDS of the youth who never saw the truth but were manipulated and brain-washed into all this BS. What sounds good is not always something good. CANDY from STRANGERS?.. Something for nothing?.. Questioning and manipulating Human Nature (which they deny exists).. This smells like a trap.. This looks like a trap.. I care about those involved. I love young people and what they believe is no longer even their fault.. May my words awaken many!

[BeondSpectrum]

@AdonisKingAXC I'd have to agree.

The nurturing process involved in bringin the Venus Project to light would be so delicate.

It would require the eradication of certain cultural conditions, quite alot in fact... most.

The operating systems that human beings run on would have to be strategically installed from a young age...

[BeondSpectrum]

@AdonisKingAXC Enviroment is the stimulus, therefore you manipulate the enviroment to promote the desired behaviour, this all ties back to the health of every human, and the Earth itself.

I'm making it sound heartless without attempting not to, it's no worse that what we do today.

[BeondSpectrum]

@AdonisKingAXC As i say, i think it would work, though a fresh plate would be easier it would be so delicate to manifest, and putting all of Earth's resources in some global control system look highly risky... but also highly necessary.

This is the problem, i think Peter Joseph may well be sincere for example, but even if this bus is Legit, there's no reason it can't be hijacked later...

It looks very much like a trap..

[BeondSpectrum]

The idea is BALANCE...

Removing the NEED for the bullshit... completely.. Easily..

Physically, (food / natural resources / accomidation)

and Mentally, people won't be born into the corrpution as it is done away with in new societies.

Hard for people to grasp sometimes, living in this slightly retarded reality.

If you are truly FREE to do ANYTHING, and EVERYONE has EVERYTHING they need, what would the significance of some ruler be.. They can't DO anything, and there is no REASON to rule.

[BeondSpectrum]

Most of the logic is undeniable with the venus project.

Problems arise in contrast, where we are now is very different,

but we arrived here by tit for tat trial and error...

How we live now is nothing sacred.

Yes people would like to control the whole situation and achieve zombie slaves...

But i think this is just unhelpful fear.

The Point is, all of the shit that causes the problems now... Won't Exist in this model... if there are still Luciferian bankers about you aren't there yet...

[sirjameskush]

wow! great video! good work

[AZLuvV]

People are meant to buy into. Sorry

[ALLXCAST]

@AZLuvV huh?.. not sure what you mean by this.. can you elaberate a bit more? PEACE! ~a~

[AZLuvV]

@ALLXCAST the people in egypt are being sold in a slave trade and the revolution is the cover up. Real revolution, hijacked result. The same is happening here. The answer is to abolish all forms of government. We need to move back to earth where the law of god and nature rules, not government and religion.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AZLuvV In so many ways I wish i believed something like this would work but being a student of history I have learned to view the Cycles and I see some danger here based on those cycles (did not the Mayans see a change as well?.. and the prophets of many faiths???.. yes, wisdom comes from knowing the past and not repeating the mistakes. take a look at the future installments.. I SEEK TRUTH and remain open but cautious...PEACE! ~a~ PS _ All things will work out in the end..BE LOVE!

[AZLuvV]

This is the new world order! This is the new government product to which purple are meant to but into. Well probably even have a revolution for it. Same thing is happening in egypt.

[vicious986]

Well only time will tell on who will suceed in this battle of control, We the People or they the Aristocrats. Well time for me to do more research. Maybe ill pass by you again on you tube. See ya later take care.

[MrMemag]

@vicious986 Indeed. I'll root for the people as always, but we need to spill some blue blood in the process.

Here's an old and brief Jacque Fresco interview.

watch?v=RVOPkGAtt48

Stay well.Peace.

[vicious986]

The venus system does not have a solution for free thinking people who seek to worship in there own way and live in there own way. What are they going to do, kick them out? Ya that would be smart. All they need to do is get together and make war with the venus movement. Oh wait if this system does have a solution then it must be total control over what they do.

[MrMemag]

@vicious986 "Everyone is free to practice whatever belief system they have but can not force it upon others. Everyone can go anywhere they want to without restrictions of any kind. If they fail to behave constructively they are helped rather than put in prison or punished. There will be a constant effort to help present the advantages to even those nations who feel that they want to go it alone."

from the FAQ of the TVP site, #89

thevenusproject. com/en/the-venus-project-intro­duction/faq

[vicious986]

@MrMemag I really hope that is true and i will go and check for my self. I'll let you know this though I do believe in the conspiracy of powerful people manuplating us to gain global control because of the evidence of it. As long as these people are in power this type of system will not suceed. They already have plans for such progressiveness. They will destroy all liberty for the purpose of a more efficient system which is a scientific dictatorship of total control for there own selfish needs.

[MrMemag]

@vicious986 Yes. But they will need government to control population, in TVP there is none.

[vicious986]

@MrMemag If I sound crazy to u im sorry because I dont see anything about the global conspiracy being wrong.

[MrMemag]

@vicious986 You don't see anything wrong with what global conspiracy? Sorry ,don't understand.

No, you don't sound crazy.

[vicious986]

@MrMemag One world goverment being implemented incrementally through secret combinations conspiracy. Don't see it being disproven by any so its hard for me to believe the venus system being sucessful unless this system of control is destroyed. It seems it never will because if it gets bad for the elite controlers all they need to do is hang low and wait for the right time to gain power again through there traditions in which they pass down to there children.

[MrMemag]

@vicious986 Of course current social system and elite plans have to end for TVP to take momentum.

Nothing is forever my friend, elite will perish and so will their methods and such morals. They are the exact reason why I consider TVP as a valid alternative for future of the planet. According to Albert Pike there will be 3rd WW, people that are left will be exhausted morally, physically and spiritually and than they will embrace one world Government as a solution for world peace.That is not TVP.

[MrMemag]

@vicious986 You just described modern world.

I really don't see how is the current state of the world better than of that what TVP proposes.

[MrMemag]

@vicious986 Remember TVP when "security personnel" inspects your private parts next time.

[vicious986]

@MrMemag If i sound crazy to u i'm sorry I just dont see any of this being disproven.

[PeacefulByDesign]

The Disney promotional video was made in 1966 not 1981, sorry for the wrong info given. Anyways, interesting, might be Jacque that designed it or he might just have copied the city model.

[PeacefulByDesign]

Hmm, regarding Jacque Fresco copying Walt Disney Epcot city, when was the video released/project started? Because Jacque presented these cities in 1974 in a Larry King's show so I wouldn't be surprised if Walt Disney heard about the ideas and then tried to copy part or most of it.Apparently, from what I've seen, the video was made in 1981 but I might be wrong. Anyways had no idea Disney tried to apply it. I'm sorry, but for the rest, taking few misused sentences is a little cheap and undetailed.

[AdonisKingAXC]

I WANTED TO THANK ALL THE COMMENTERS SO FAR FOR BEING A GROUP OF VERY DIVERSE YET VERY CIVIL ASSORTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS... rare!... please continue to impress me! PEACE! ~a~

[AdonisKingAXC]

Why do I keep thinking of the story of THE PIED PIPER..hm?

[AyonRaven]

the venus project is like swiss cheese, full of holes. problems will never go away, hate will never die, racism will never cease..........this is earth. deal with it, make peace with yourself and find the good things in life. sweeping the ugly under the rug is why we're in a society ready to explode at this present moment. this is merely the creation of the next bomb. the beat goes on....... from east to west

[AdonisKingAXC]

@AyonRaven Indeed it is the "holes" that concern me most... The potential for people who go into this with a "glorified vision" of what they "think it is" is bound to lead to some "Dissatisfied Citizens" .. Frankly though I say let those who wish FREELY TRY IT.. However I will be OUT HERE LOOKING IN wishing the best but knowing that eventually no matter how well it works NOW that eventually ..Like the "Tower of Babal" it is highly likely to divide us all even more.

[AyonRaven]

@AdonisKingAXC couldn't agree more on that entire statement.

[MrMemag]

@AyonRaven If you have better suggestions, some or your own ideas, plans for future, shoot.

Somehow I get the feeling the most rigid to this idea are the ones that never read anything about TVP,

but have limited knowledge of it through comment boards, others opinions, fear tactics, paranoia and movies that don't go to detail about it. If you want, please explain what are the "holes" of TVP? I'm not saying there aren't any, but hey it's much better than current WW3 state we're in. Holed.

[AyonRaven]

@MrMemag holes? for starters its a way of corralling humanity into tightly confined spaces, the only way an outbreak of mass insanity can be controlled in this situation is by administering drugs to keep people docile. a way of ensuing fear of overpopulation, the way its done is by limiting the area humans can roam, the less space the more one is bound to believe. the only way this is possible to achieve is through mass death and severe population control. WW3 is the beginning of TVP.

[MrMemag]

@AyonRaven You don't say? Have you actually read the project or the FAQ?

TVP is not a conspiracy against humans.There are no killer robots or big world government, brainwashing and imprisoning.Making things up doesn't make them true. You play this like a horror sci-fi movie in your head, but if you took time to read, you'd understand it much better.NO one is forced to do anything.

[AyonRaven]

@MrMemag of course its going to be attractive and wonderful sounding.........thats how you catch the fish, with a shiny lure, then when you catch it you gut it and eat it. i won't change your mind, you won't change mine. this conversation is over. good luck. :)

[MrMemag]

@AyonRaven So, do you have better ideas? You like the world you're living in? Millions of starving,sick, and just killed people? It is normal to be afraid of new things and concepts. Our mind cannot grasp such a change and we reject it to protect ourselves.You just misunderstand it. There is no Lucifer, NWO, reptiles and 1984 society there. But we'll probably die of radiation or detonation blast anyhow, so don't worry.Your good old fucked up world is still here. Enjoy the smell of death. 

[vicious986]

@MrMemag The Idea is a dream world. Fear will still be apart of human psyche where fear will soon triumph. When people begin to start thinking diffrently in this utopia society they will be afraid of them and all the soon to be controlers that will rise through this fear will seek to protect there system from free thinkers who seek to live diffrently with out a system telling them what to do. No matter what you do, the human being will seek freedom to experience things on there own.

[MrMemag]

@vicious986 GO read FAQ on The Venus Project website. There is no such thing as individual freedom prison or totalitarian restrictions. Claims in this video are based on ignorance, xenophobia and superstition.

Inserts are edited poorly and comparisons are irrelevant. To see what Jacque is saying watch his movies, not edited parts in totaly different context. This is not a prison society where everything you do is measured and corrected. You are free to live and do what you want.Read the FAQ.

[MrMemag]

@AyonRaven We never had a conversation.You ranted about how little you know about it and that was it.

You didn't even read it, didn't make some valid and relevant points nor did you offered alternatives. I don't believe in luck. Goodbye.

Derrick Jensen: Endgame Part One

video. google. com/videoplay?docid=8649250863­235826256#

[AyonRaven]

@MrMemag i only get 500 characters, thats merely ONE, of the 'holes'.......im sorry i can't leave you a mulitlayered 12 chapter report on the issue. open your eyes to the deception of this, i mean no hate what so ever. i used to be a supporter of all this new age b.s., then i extensively did my homework over countless sleepless nights, over years. you're biggest mistake is learning to much about one subject and falling into its 'loving arms'. keep searching my friend.

[MrMemag]

@AyonRaven One? What did you addressed so far "confined spaces" ? TVP is total opposite.You're free to live where you want.

I think when people feed their brains with too much info and fantasy, they just can't handle it so they resort to paranoia.I've seen that with conspiracies, and it is common occurrence nowadays.Open mind isn't letting all kind of crap get in there, just as spending sleepless nights doesn't mean you spent it well.Quantity isn't proportional to quality.

[bluntpunk83]

@AyonRaven thats a sad perspective. i

[MrMemag]

Hmm, I am still not convinced after finishing the video.

Fresco interview is poorly edited and taken out of the context many times during the video, inserting of green suggestive phrases doesn't look anything like a brainwashing attempt to me, Disney "prison" and Logan doesn't really connect to the Venus Project other than it's futuristic outlook, freedom of religion and choices are there..etc.There is NO solid criticism in this video. And I don't really see why science and tech is a problem?

[MrMemag]

NWO suggests one world government.

Venus Project has NO rulers, governments or masters (other than particular craft masters).

I agree on "poor" education,but it is based on years of studies of failed system and personal experience.

There are better systems in Europe and Asia.Still nothing, is perfect.

Why couldn't we have an advanced education and broader specter of knowledge made accessible to public in VP? Isn't that what Gotto's point is? "Freedom is never free", we don't know what it is.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@MrMemag I The premise of a "Technocracy" is that engineers, scientists and people of superior IQ would serve as leaders and make decisions based on various scientific data for what is BEST for the community. It looks very ONE SIZE FITS ALL and I would like my meal choices to be more than "Green", "Red" or "Blue" "SOYLENT". I realize there is NO PERFECT IDEA and perhaps their is some merit to facits of this idea.. yes, i would agree not to toss out babies with bathwater.

[MrMemag]

@AdonisKingAXC No one ever told that you wouldn't have a choice of your meals.

You could grow your own food if you wanted to.This would be responsible and unselfish society.

If that wouldn't represent a democracy,I don't know what would.I think you really need to read FAQ, and don't get too paranoid cause this won't happen in near future anyhow.The chances are that we would die of old age or be killed in "transition" period.

check 51-52-52

thevenusproject. com/the-venus-project-introduc­tion/faq

[MrMemag]

@AdonisKingAXC I 'd rather have people of higher IQ act as government today than corrupt rats that control every aspect of your life through pure greed impulses and desire of power.

You really have no choice now, you live exactly how they want you to live, "freedom" today it is but an illusion.

We had awesome tech hundred years ago but it got "misplaced",today we would enjoy wireless energy distribution, superior irrigation systems, humane weather control, car's that don't pollute,clean energy

[MrMemag]

@AdonisKingAXC What do you think you would loose that you have today?

[AdonisKingAXC]

@MrMemag This actually is a first look and I am still researching.. The deeper down the rabbit hole i go the more I see similarities to Neo-Marxism and Technocratic ideologies built in and I still find much of the original paradym a tad questionable. A "wise idea" built on a "false premise: so to speak. I would not stand in the way of anyone who wants to try it but i still feel that based on my current level of understanding that this has potential to be rather dangerous now..or later.

[MrMemag]

Second, you DON"T HAVE TO LIVE IN THESE CITIES!

under 44:

thevenusproject. com/the-venus-project-introduc­tion/faq

[MrMemag]

For the starters I am stupified by the sheer number of "technocratic ant farm", Logan run" and similar comments from different users.Where did you guys picked up that?

Perhaps reading the Venus Project would explain a lot to you? NO. Okay.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@MrMemag I have been doing a great deal of research recently..if My opinions change i will let you know here .. Where do any common thoughts come from? I am almost 50 and it gives one a view to step back and really analyze since anyone born after about 1969 was brainwashed to defend the programming. Some break free.. some will never undestand.. all mean well and I understand the feelings and the longing for change.. But this is way too close to marxism, transhumanism and technocracy 4 me!

[MrMemag]

@AdonisKingAXC On what research do you conclude that everyone born after 69 were brainwashed?

"I dont expect kids born after 1969 to get it anyway.. They see one thing they find wrong and it makes EVERYTHING wrong.. what has our world come to"

"anyone born since 1969 has only heard the program alone."

You seem to post a lot of these claims, where is the information and further research?

[ilabstudios]

Unlike most people I took the time in doing research (several years) and left University because I understood the social engineering that was occurring in academic institutions (breed robots). I agree with all your points, however you are taking what Jacque says out of context and implying it to justify your own argument. He does not say we don't have to work, where did you get this idea from? Also Venus Project is not a solid plan, it's a concept open for DISCUSSION by everyone globally.

[ilabstudios]

@ilabstudios, It doesn't seem you know enough about Resource-based-economy to criticise it. You are just basing your opinion on lose terms which are out of context from the whole story. It may seem that TVP is a Utopian plan to control and enslave us but you need to first understand the ideas being proposed fully without imposing your own preconceived ideas which are full of paranoia and fear. Just because his designs are similar to EPCOT doesn't mean anything, it's called improving design.

[ilabstudios]

@ilabstudios, Also his methodology for industrial design is taking elements from nature. The idea that you can build a circular city out where the centre is the point of control is nothing new, it's called a Nucleus (which is where he got the idea from not EPCOT), so the concept is not found just from Disney but in nature itself. Lose your paranoia and accept we need change, and let's work TOGETHER and propose ideas and discussions.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@ilabstudios The DESIGN of the thing is not the problem in my view.. it's the PHILOSOPHY expected by thjose who would be brainwashed to adapt to it once we are all either INSIDERS..or OUTSIDERS.. I will be outside watching! Peace!

[AdonisKingAXC]

@ilabstudios I LIKED THE EPCOT IDEA.. it was based on the values of FREE ENTERPRISE. i am still studying this supposed RBE system but it seems very similar to the view of TECHNOCRACY (which is almost NAZI).. This is all UTOPIAN DREAMS of ORWELLIAN SCALE from what i have thus far studied and when one questions and studies established REAL history one can see distictive connections and parallels worth of concern and debate. I am open minded YET sceptical..

[Watchdawg]

@AdonisKingAXC The Venus project has to be tested in reality before anyone may implement it on the large scale, you can't transform a system to another, just like that. But that doesn't mean that you can go and throw names at it like Technocracy and Communism and stuff like that, that is like being totally ignorant.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@Watchdawg Thank you for your thoughts... I am digging deeper and deeper into all this and it seems the deeper i get into the information the more I dont't like about it.. I am attempting to be fair ultimately and whatever my ultimate findings I will report them as I feel so moved. I can appreciate your skeptical concern and my goal is ultimately to gain a better understanding. Terms and labels are relative but the earmarks still appear neo-marxist with a Jetson's twist at this point.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@ilabstudios Discussion.. yes, i agree..Which is why i present this criticism. I encourage people to go view all available materials IN CONTEXT.. i did it the way i have to show specific points and acknowledge that one could view this as a form of Propaganda (under some definitions).. I am still looking into all this but my present view is based on my current level of research combined with my established knowledge on Social Conditioning and Globalist Objectives..If it "walks like a duck...".

[christianTZM]

why do you call it a technocratic prison? if you don't have good enough reason to say that, which you absolutely don't, then you sir are the one spewing the propoganda. and if you honestly think that this is an nwo agenda, you are completely blind. the nwo would create much more force and exposure behind this if this is what they wanted, rather than relying on poor old jacque, lol. you're paranoia is really dumbfounding, my friend. fine disagree with it, but you're calling it an nwo prison! rly?

[AdonisKingAXC]

@christianTZM I appreciate all views.. The idea supports an agenda where people would have to give up their current "irrational ideas" which would include individual ideas of Faith..One would eventually HAVE to give up individuality for such a thing as this to work. I am Not Paranoid..Just aksing questions and presenting opinion to inspire discussion.. I acknowledge that i am still researching this but it still ends up similar to BRAVE NEW WORLD no matter how one wishes to define it otherwise.

[christianTZM]

@AdonisKingAXC nobody has to give up religion? where did you hear that exactly? what kind of intellectual and philosophical dictatorship do you think we're promoting here? this is resource management, that is attempting to show that we could all live abundantly if we did things differently. its definitely not a dictatorship of thought or belief. but i did sense your openness and honest inquiry into whether its really beneficial system or a detrimental one, which i can appreciate.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@christianTZM It seems the obvious assumption based on everything i have thus far seen.. Children would require a new form of UNBIAS information.. the ultimate result seems rather obvious. I cannot hand my children to a Tecnocratic machine.. Perhaps it may work.. but at what cost?.. I am glad you see that i am very concerned and open.. i am overall but i have some tough base-line views. I am presently seeking education from both sides.. it seems so similar to Marxism though. Peace! ~a~

[AdonisKingAXC]

@Frosti2008 I agree.. Great comment!;) technocracy is indeed a form of a "NAZIish" scientific dictatorship based on the idea that we are ALL somehow supposed to just use our FREEDOM to become mental "slaves" to "rationalism and science" alone. Man must be a machine for this to work.. It's way too much like a BRAVE NEW WORLD "cult".

[Watchdawg]

You hear this NWO crap everywhere. So what if the Venus project cities looks like the one Walt Disney presented, everything you see around you, every invention's parts or whole inventions, can be tracked back into history. None comes up with anything on his own.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@Watchdawg ..Good ..It means people are talking about the New World Order.. which is the key to gaining information.. One of course must be cautious in EVERYTHING and QUESTION EVERYTHING.. As for Venus..If Disney's Idea had worked I wanted to go live at EPCOT back in the 70's myself so i know it's compelling.. BUT DISNEY WAS A CAPITALIST and this new idea is "technocratic" like some BRAVE NEW WORLD "wet dream" for NAZI Scientists. Nope.Nothing new under the Sun.. this idea goes back to BABYLON!

[Watchdawg]

@AdonisKingAXC Don't forget that the things in this video does not explain and not everything relates to the Venus project. You're just holding onto some icons that you can't let go off. Analyze the data thoroughly before you start comparing ideas.

[eddiechilvers]

Also , there is a lot of truth in the 'nwo' or 'illuminate' stuff, but also a lot of nonsense, and it can be difficult to distinguish one from the other since there is a tidal wave of protective misinformation. Be wary of being sure. Humility is vital to learning and growing, and no body should be so arrogant as to say 'I know'

[AdonisKingAXC]

@eddiechilvers I agree that we must be careful and I ask people to use information for inspiration to debate and study on their own.. only problem is LESS and LESS people are doing that. In many cases Even when I say "I KNOW" I realize that I really only mean that I... "Highly Suspect" or "have enough evidence to support a general conclusion that I might be 89.99% correct and ... of this I am "pretty sure"..LOL

[eddiechilvers]

I agree with some of the points made here, but the key arguement in zeitgeist is living in harmony with nature, which is the core of spirituality from the most obvious to the deepest level. This is NOT socialism or communism, nature necessitates creative freedom, and our system of living must always be open to evolve. Leadership is obviously a difficulty though a surmountable one. As for religion, of course we must be free to think whatever but religion will not survive much longer

[eddiechilvers]

will not survive much longer, since it is an infantile philosophy that we will evolve past without any laws forbidding it. Zeitgeist has many flaws, but the man thrust is quite right, and we should get behind it and be positively critical, not defensive and dismissive. Big change is coming.

[Maynardsat]

Completely and utterly awesome! Ther WILL BE Critical Thinking in this society.

[AdonisKingAXC]

@Maynardsat anytime you can not longer criticize and debate something.. well, that is when we KNOW "freedom is gone".. My view.. No matter what great idea or new thing come along..QUESTION IT.. In fact, QUESTION EVERYTHING! thanks for watching! Peace! ~a~

[FringeRecall]

Good video man. Thanks for sharing. Go go gadget CRITICAL THINKING! :-)

[AdonisKingAXC]

@FringeRecall thank you.. I may eventually make a followup but for now I will see what happens in ZEITWORLD. Peace! ~a~ (oh and thanks for not just putting "first".. lol).