For those questioning the Castilian spoken, at least she authentically uses the vos form. As for the pronunciation, the "lisped" (interdental sybillants) consonants did not exist yet. The z of Mendoza and the c of dice would have been /dz/ and /ts/, respectively..
They both have a good pronunciation, but still a very notieceable accent, you can tell they're not native speakers, also whoever wrote this part of the script committed some grammatical mistakes. Still, better than most movies.
I have a question (AND WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE ANSWERED) If she's the daughetr of fuckin' Isabella.. then why was THIS all she could do to save her ass? Didn't the status of her might parents mean anything?
@222demon222 Her nephew could have blown England out of the water if she’d let him and given the choice the people would have risen up and fought for her against Henry if she’d asked but she didn’t.
@222demon222 No, the status of her birth meant nothing at this time throughout Europe women are subservient to men, being the most powerful woman only means being the most powerful second class citizen. But give her, her due she fought him politically for nearly seven years humiliating him utterly but once the pope excommunicated king & country what else could she do?
@tribetng ummmm....the political stature of women meant nothing at that time? I think you must have forgetten that her mother was Isabella of Castille. A very powerful figure.
If KOA was a bitch like Anne or modern day Women :)...King Henry VIII would have lost his crown and head many times over.
And also remember that KOA was the first female ambassador.
@nodinitiative That’s not quite what i said, i said her (KoA’s) status meant nothing but i wasn’t very clear what i should have added was 'to Henry in this matter' Henry didn’t care that she was daughter of empyreal parents or mother of his only child for that matter he wanted his own way. You make a good point there are several examples of women who rose to the top (or close to) but it was still a very unequal world even Isabella had to slightly give way (in public at least) to Phillip.
@nodinitiative You are also right that throughout their time together Katherine was more popular then Henry and had she used military force would have crushed him and been welcomed on to the throne by most people, probably the last time in English history you can say that about a catholic.
@tribetng the irony is that, King Henry VIII blamed KOA of not being able to conceive a healthy son, come on, its his sperm that is not doing the job right.
I bet if i could go back to the past and had my time with the MILF, she would have given me many sons.
He is a guy that masturbate and has too much sex with other women and also rides too much horses.
Those horse riding thing can really mess up the sperm system.
I wish people knew more about KOA than Queen Elizabeth.
@222demon222 her mother, who was the mightier of the two, had been dead a long, long time by this point in time. Once Arthur died, her father basically left her to her fate, which was in the hands of Henry VII. He lost interest in her and her value, her father wouldn't pay the total sum of her dowry and she was left to shift for herself until Henry VIII came to the throne and basically rescued her from poverty. Her parental connexions at this time mean basically nothing.
@222demon222 and the fact that her nephew, the HRE, renigged on his promise to marry Mary, that threw fuel on the fire for Henry's growing animosity towards Katherine. The only thing left at Katherine's disposal was praemunire. Had Henry found out that she did this, he'd have executed her for treason.
I'm from South America and I think that her Spanish is very good for being Irish. I've seen some Hispanics who speak terrible English. I was taught Spanish from "Spain" not the versions that have been changed.
creo que la actriz habla español perfectamente con accento perfecto , yo no noticias que ella fue irlandesa. perdoname mi español , solo comenzia el leccion en Marzo de 27 ,2010
also, remember the spanish spoke at that time was not what is spoken today in spain. the lisping sound heard in spain, is a result of carlos ii. apparently he lisped and was quite 'slow', his courtiers started lisping, so he wouldn't feel bad, and i guess it caught on. i read somewhere that she would have spoken spanish that sounded more like what is spoken in south america today.
I am very familiar with the Habsburgs, and not from Wikipedia... you, on the other side, persistently insist that an urban myth is a historical fact...By the way, this story has been continuously discredited by people whose sources for reliable information are not the internet and that one guy you met at that party and seemed smart because he was wearing glasses..... you know, people with education...
@GeneralFstck i learned about carlos ii in ap european history. granted that was 21 years ago. and wikipedia is not that credible i know. actually, wikipedia doesn't even mention the whole castilian lisp thing on the site for carlos ii ( i went there out of curiosity after your last post here). carlos did have a speech impediment, though. supposedly, he didn't speak until he was 4. and i do have a college education, a bsn (nursing) with a minor in european history (didn't want to teach).
It is believed by some that Juana's mental state was not as bad as widely perceived. As the oldest surviving child of Ferdinand II, she was entitled to the throne of Spain following his death in 1516 (Isabella I had died in 1504). However, her sixteen year old son Charles (already being groomed to take over the Holy Roman Empire from his paternal grandfather Maximilian) was given precedence over her so that the Hapsburgs could rule both Spain and the HRE. So she was labeled insane.
@telamon2011 could very well have been that way. she was a woman after all, especially at that time and place. i could imagine she was high-strung maybe. if she wasn't crazy before they got ahold of her, she was crazy afterwards.
@telamon2011 Juana was Queen of Castile. Fernando had signed an agreement at his marriage that he would have no authority in Castile. On the death of Isabel she rose to the throne. All official documents while Charles was king until her death carried her signature too.
@tranurse Actually, the phenomenon of making the c,z, and s sound the same (called "seseo") is technically incorrect. The reason Latin Americans don't "lisp" --- and it's not a lisp, it's the right way to differentiate between "z" as in "caza" and "s" as in "casa" --- is because the majority of people who conquered those territories were from areas of Spain that didn't observe the distinction like Andalusia. It drives me nuts when people repeat this story about a lisping prince!!!!!!!!
For those questioning the Castilian spoken, at least she authentically uses the vos form. As for the pronunciation, the "lisped" (interdental sybillants) consonants did not exist yet. The z of Mendoza and the c of dice would have been /dz/ and /ts/, respectively..
fgonzalez43 1 month ago
Me gustó mucho esta serie, estupenda!
I really liked this series, great!
MsPrenda1 2 months ago
They both have a good pronunciation, but still a very notieceable accent, you can tell they're not native speakers, also whoever wrote this part of the script committed some grammatical mistakes. Still, better than most movies.
Everwen45 4 months ago
Su español es francamente...británico, no creíble, no es que sea malo...pero su interpretacion sigue siendo perfecta
MARYHEARTT52 4 months ago
el español de los dos es muy malo
hmequimica2011 4 months ago
Maybe Doyle's accent isn't very good but the actor who played the ambassador speaks very well spanish
MultiMissLucy 6 months ago
I have a question (AND WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE ANSWERED) If she's the daughetr of fuckin' Isabella.. then why was THIS all she could do to save her ass? Didn't the status of her might parents mean anything?
222demon222 7 months ago
@222demon222 Her nephew could have blown England out of the water if she’d let him and given the choice the people would have risen up and fought for her against Henry if she’d asked but she didn’t.
tribetng 7 months ago
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tribetng 7 months ago
@222demon222 No, the status of her birth meant nothing at this time throughout Europe women are subservient to men, being the most powerful woman only means being the most powerful second class citizen. But give her, her due she fought him politically for nearly seven years humiliating him utterly but once the pope excommunicated king & country what else could she do?
tribetng 7 months ago
@tribetng ummmm....the political stature of women meant nothing at that time? I think you must have forgetten that her mother was Isabella of Castille. A very powerful figure.
If KOA was a bitch like Anne or modern day Women :)...King Henry VIII would have lost his crown and head many times over.
And also remember that KOA was the first female ambassador.
nodinitiative 3 months ago
@nodinitiative That’s not quite what i said, i said her (KoA’s) status meant nothing but i wasn’t very clear what i should have added was 'to Henry in this matter' Henry didn’t care that she was daughter of empyreal parents or mother of his only child for that matter he wanted his own way. You make a good point there are several examples of women who rose to the top (or close to) but it was still a very unequal world even Isabella had to slightly give way (in public at least) to Phillip.
tribetng 3 months ago
@tribetng Who's Phillip? Do you mean Fernando?
fgonzalez43 4 weeks ago
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tribetng 4 weeks ago
@fgonzalez43 Probably
tribetng 4 weeks ago
@nodinitiative You are also right that throughout their time together Katherine was more popular then Henry and had she used military force would have crushed him and been welcomed on to the throne by most people, probably the last time in English history you can say that about a catholic.
tribetng 3 months ago
@tribetng the irony is that, King Henry VIII blamed KOA of not being able to conceive a healthy son, come on, its his sperm that is not doing the job right.
I bet if i could go back to the past and had my time with the MILF, she would have given me many sons.
He is a guy that masturbate and has too much sex with other women and also rides too much horses.
Those horse riding thing can really mess up the sperm system.
I wish people knew more about KOA than Queen Elizabeth.
nodinitiative 3 months ago 3
@222demon222 her mother, who was the mightier of the two, had been dead a long, long time by this point in time. Once Arthur died, her father basically left her to her fate, which was in the hands of Henry VII. He lost interest in her and her value, her father wouldn't pay the total sum of her dowry and she was left to shift for herself until Henry VIII came to the throne and basically rescued her from poverty. Her parental connexions at this time mean basically nothing.
kendahke 4 months ago
@222demon222 and the fact that her nephew, the HRE, renigged on his promise to marry Mary, that threw fuel on the fire for Henry's growing animosity towards Katherine. The only thing left at Katherine's disposal was praemunire. Had Henry found out that she did this, he'd have executed her for treason.
kendahke 4 months ago
I'm from South America and I think that her Spanish is very good for being Irish. I've seen some Hispanics who speak terrible English. I was taught Spanish from "Spain" not the versions that have been changed.
princessivoryrose 8 months ago
Poor thing, pobrecita Catalina :(
CoIoRearte 9 months ago
Well as everyone have said before my, She speaks a good Spanish, even if i speak spanish(my native tongue) i wouldnt know how to develop that accent
BlackRaven0211 10 months ago
It IS a disaster. She doesn't know where to pause. She puts the emphasis in the wrong syllabes. But I don't how to explain it very well.
I guess it was a very good effort, though.
Sulemaniya 11 months ago
Los que dicen que su español es pésimo, pues su español no es malo... es bastante entendible.. ta amo, Catalina!
Her Spanish is not bad, it's veru undrestable... love Catherine
PSYQUE23 1 year ago
honey... as I said... for the love of whoever you believe in... please go read a book...
GeneralFstck 1 year ago
spanish is ok but not to pretend to be a Spanish, Mendoza either
barcelona83 1 year ago
I never knew Catherine of Aragon did not trust Cardinal Wolsey.
24Abstract 1 year ago
@24Abstract Cardinal Wolsey was HORRIBLE! Of course Catherine didn't trust Wolsey, he was her chief enemy.
Rayarena 1 year ago
creo que la actriz habla español perfectamente con accento perfecto , yo no noticias que ella fue irlandesa. perdoname mi español , solo comenzia el leccion en Marzo de 27 ,2010
violin233 1 year ago
also, remember the spanish spoke at that time was not what is spoken today in spain. the lisping sound heard in spain, is a result of carlos ii. apparently he lisped and was quite 'slow', his courtiers started lisping, so he wouldn't feel bad, and i guess it caught on. i read somewhere that she would have spoken spanish that sounded more like what is spoken in south america today.
tranurse 1 year ago
@tranurse
you can't be possibly serious, can you? Are you going to tell mе nеxt that if I eat pop rocks with soda my stomach will explode?
GeneralFstck 1 year ago
@GeneralFstck well, i don't know about the pop rocks, but look up carlos ii of spain.
tranurse 1 year ago
@tranurse
for the love of god, pick up a book and stop getting your information from the internet...
GeneralFstck 1 year ago
@GeneralFstck sorry you feel that way. read a book on the hapsburgs and the inbreeding. spanish nobility alone had 'juana la loca' and carlos ii.
tranurse 1 year ago
@tranurse
I am very familiar with the Habsburgs, and not from Wikipedia... you, on the other side, persistently insist that an urban myth is a historical fact...By the way, this story has been continuously discredited by people whose sources for reliable information are not the internet and that one guy you met at that party and seemed smart because he was wearing glasses..... you know, people with education...
Please stop now...
GeneralFstck 1 year ago
@GeneralFstck i learned about carlos ii in ap european history. granted that was 21 years ago. and wikipedia is not that credible i know. actually, wikipedia doesn't even mention the whole castilian lisp thing on the site for carlos ii ( i went there out of curiosity after your last post here). carlos did have a speech impediment, though. supposedly, he didn't speak until he was 4. and i do have a college education, a bsn (nursing) with a minor in european history (didn't want to teach).
tranurse 1 year ago
@tranurse
It is believed by some that Juana's mental state was not as bad as widely perceived. As the oldest surviving child of Ferdinand II, she was entitled to the throne of Spain following his death in 1516 (Isabella I had died in 1504). However, her sixteen year old son Charles (already being groomed to take over the Holy Roman Empire from his paternal grandfather Maximilian) was given precedence over her so that the Hapsburgs could rule both Spain and the HRE. So she was labeled insane.
telamon2011 9 months ago
@telamon2011 could very well have been that way. she was a woman after all, especially at that time and place. i could imagine she was high-strung maybe. if she wasn't crazy before they got ahold of her, she was crazy afterwards.
tranurse 9 months ago
@telamon2011 Juana was Queen of Castile. Fernando had signed an agreement at his marriage that he would have no authority in Castile. On the death of Isabel she rose to the throne. All official documents while Charles was king until her death carried her signature too.
fgonzalez43 4 weeks ago
@tranurse Actually, the phenomenon of making the c,z, and s sound the same (called "seseo") is technically incorrect. The reason Latin Americans don't "lisp" --- and it's not a lisp, it's the right way to differentiate between "z" as in "caza" and "s" as in "casa" --- is because the majority of people who conquered those territories were from areas of Spain that didn't observe the distinction like Andalusia. It drives me nuts when people repeat this story about a lisping prince!!!!!!!!
AemiliaPaulla 1 year ago
Spanish is my first language and I agree with you ... shes´s not that, she talks very well to be irish =)
BeckytaSU 2 years ago 36
Ah. I thought her accent was a little off. Now I know why. She speaks spanish very well. :D
Serenity113 2 years ago 2
The actress that plays Katherine is irish?
Serenity113 2 years ago
Si,ella se defiende mejor en español que yo en inglés :-) Mi punto fuerte no son las pronunciaciones en otros idiomas...
125Nuria 2 years ago 2
Yes, I'm spanish too and her pronunciation is good.
125Nuria 2 years ago 15
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125Nuria 2 years ago
Maria looks so lovely in this scene, and this is definatly one of the best scenes she acted.
katharinethequene 2 years ago 5