Every one of us was an unborn child. The only thing added to a fertilized egg, once fertilized, is protein and oxygen. Mother Nature does the rest. I hope, hope, hope that future generations will look back and see abortion for what it is; the great crime of our time. Just as the Nazis de-humanized the Jews and made people think it was okay to kill them, so to do we de-humanize unborn children and make people believe it's okay to kill them. This is so, so, so above politics or anything else.
A zygotic clump of tissue, even a zygotic clump of tissue with human DNA, is not a person. It is a zygotic clump of tissue. Regardless of how much you religious freaks pray, and hope, and beg, and lie, a zygotic clump of tissue is not a person.
@ThevanGoghBlues thats completely inaccurate. He opposed passage of a bill that would have contributed to abortion fundings. Democrats, wanting to make Republicans look bad, decided to tack in that provision to make it harder for the GOP to vote for the bill
The Nazis made people believe the Jews were "sub-human". The Communists in Russia made people believe clergymen and religious people were "sub-human." neo-liberals made people believe that unborn children were "sub-human".
I enjoy the fact that the majority of pro-lifers are completely okay with the death penalty and pointless wars that end defenseless lives, but are not okay with abortion; which also ends defenseless lives.
Now, if that's not hypocritical then I don't know what is.
@thatcobainchick That's a good point, yet I would say that all of the little innocent children in Iraq that we've murdered since 2003 are defenseless. Also, I don't feel I have the right to tell any woman what to do with HER unborn child and neither should any other person. I can't even imagine how horrible it would be to be with child after being raped, then being told by a middle-aged white man that I must go through with my pregnancy. Options are great. Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-death.
@thatcobainchick I agree with you, but why did you say "middle aged white man"? What does him being white have to do with anything? Why not just say "anyone"?
@thatcobainchick I agree, but again, why would you let ANYONE tel you what to do with your unborn child? Are you more likely to let a female tell you what to do with it than a male?
And you would find it less rude for a female who is a perfect stranger to tell you what to do with your unborn child, than it would be for your husband to tell you what to do with it?
@ninjajesus81 My husband wouldn't be a sexist, rude politician as most of them are. I would discuss the matter with my husband and make a joint decision. It makes more sense to me to have a woman tell me what to do with my unborn child. Women carry and birth children. Not men.
@thatcobainchick So because a woman has the capability to carry a child, that means they have more of a right to tell OTHER women what to do with their children than men do? That still makes no sense. They have just as much of a right to tell you what to do with your unborn child as a man does; ZERO right.
@thatcobainchick You're inventing a reason to put women above men. That's the problem I'm having with what you're saying.
We both have agreed that other people don't have any right to tell someone else what to do with their unborn children. You said that in the first post.
But since then, you've been arguing that women have a little right to do that, while men still have zero.
Or do women have zero too, but their zero is a little higher than a man's zero?
Huckabee, who illegally stopped an abortion for an underage, mentally challenged girl raped by her step-father, apparently doesn't give a damn once you're out of the womb (he spoke out against health insurance for children with pre-existing conditions). Have you seen this wack job's son? He's the one who hung a dog at age 17. He looks like one of the murderers on ' Texas Chainsaw Massacre." Except you wouldn't need any makeup. Now, tell me what you'd do if your daughter was raped by his son?
Lets see these people get raped and knocked up and forced to care for a child on minimum wage as a single parent before they have an opinion against abortion. I bet that will change their mind. Fucking disgusting arrogant pigs, the lot of them.
@guilhermefreire48 Fine. I'll take a giant needle, and you'll get viciously raped by a group of thugs and then forced to give up all your hopes and dreams in order to raise a child against your will on minimum wage with no food stamps or welfare. Then we'll come back and see what our opinion on a woman's right to choose is. Deal?
@michaelaurand Be grateful your parents didn't use this kind of "reasoning".If they did, you wouldn't even live to have the chance of having hopes and dreams.
the people that dont want abortions should take care of them or shut the fuck up. no god exists either proof of any supreme ghost in the sky is completely groundless for all the worlds religions.
How come all these conservatives who hate abortion because every human life is sooooooooooo precious and valuable have no problem supporting carpet bombing innocent people? Or supporting the death penalty? Or sending brainwashed idiots in uniform far away to die? Fucking Hippocrates. Not very Jesussy is it?
It's 2010 in two days and still to this day, this is an actual political question in America. How the hell can tha tbe? How is it that someone who a.) does't believe in evolution, b.) is anti-abortion and c.) is anti-gay rights can ever come in question as a prez candidate? I seriously fear for some americans mental health.
Better yet how can an athiest, who pretends to be a Christian, and gives token homage to Christian values but really represents Secular Progessivsm, ever become president?
@hypermonkey24 I don't know if he is but if he is, that's pretty good I suppose. I guess I'd be ok with an atheist who pretends just to fool the masses. As long as he's an atheist. That's the most important thing.
I think the true tragedy lies in the fact that in order to become president, you have to be a christian and preferably also deny the fact of evolution. Ironically people dont consider you believable if you dont. The country is so tainted with religiousness that its impossible to become president as an atheist no matter how competent you are. So I fully understand why candidates may, if not lie so at least pretend to be a little bit more Christian than they are, to please the masses. [...]
1. Well I don't respect a man who will not stand on his values.
2. With Obama it didn't matter. He is a naked Marxist and a fake Christian and everybody knows it. The only reason people like you can stomach him is because he doesn't really stand on Christain values even though he is a Christian.
3. Science and religion are not imcompatible. There is not EVIDENCE for that.
4. Our rights our justififed by a CREATOR. God is not irrelevant.
[...] Its not really relevant anyway since religion has nothing to do with governing. What IS relevant though, is whether your president recognizes scientific facts. Id rather have candidates not lie at all but things being the way they are I can see why theyd do it. Its really kind of sad.
I believe abortion is wrong...if you want to have sex with someone and you end up pregnant than thats your fault. If everyone would follow the rules of God saying do not foreignicate (misspelled) then abortion would not be an issue.
first of all trees dont have souls babies do. second of all we can use trees when we (kill) them. what can we do with dead babies get rid of a pregnancy abortion is an obamanation and should be aboloished
I already stated where I am going with this. Following your logic, the mother should be able to kill her child at any point in the child's life, under the justification that it is still her child. Your argument is flawed.
I'm not sure what that last line meant considering I'm watching the debate right now, here on youtube...
You specifically said it was "her baby" in your first comment, but now you just changed it to fetus, you see the flaw in your argument so now you are changing the terminology because you don't want me to be right. Very mature by the way, I can see you put a lot of thought into what you say and have a very diversified knowledge of vocabulary. Graduate second grade then we can talk.
Your trying to change the words around to make me sound like I said mothers can murder a born and grown child. I'm talking about the fetus still inside the womb you FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!
For christs sakes man, what is it with this bullshit "oh graduate the second grade blah blah fuckin blah"?
No, stfu, you know exactly what I meant to say, you're just twisting the words to your advantage because you're on the wrong side of the argument and you know you can't win, you fascist asshole.
Lol I am winning because you're losing your mind because you know I am right. You are saying a mother can murder her child. Your logic is extremely flawed, you condone murder by disguising the child as a fetus so you won't feel so bad. I am not twisting your words, you said them and I am merely pointing out the inconsistancy.
And by go looking up the debate, I mean going and eyeing up the pros and cons instead of listening to these politicians blather on about "human life' when the only thing they give a shit about is getting elected.
The pros and cons are clearly where I base my opinion and instead of me explaining it to you in a fruitless argument, you ass blaster, you can go see for yourself why I say what I say.
What classifies as a "too developed" baby? Because they don't "look" human, or can't support themselves outside the womb?
Well then, that would mean someone with Down's Syndrome is not human, because they don't look like the average human either. And that means that people on life support are not human either, because they can't support themselves.
It is sceintifically proven that life starts at conception. Period. Abortion is always murder.
Those are extremely rare scenarios. But killing is still killing. Yes it is still murder. Prisoners are executed because they are guilty of an irreconcilable crime, though I don't agree with capital punishment. If a women is raped the child can still be given to an orphanage. You cannot judge the price of a life by the quality of a life. Following that logic, people should be able to abort anyone who doesn't fit the "perfect person" image. Look up Hitler, he was all for that.
In the 1920's people were brutally murdered because they didn't fit the German perception of a person deserving life. They murdered millions because of this mentality. This is the same mentality that is behind abortion. This is murder simply because the child is an inconvenience. Well, so are the poor, the handicapped, and the old. So why can't we just kill them too? Because they are not animals, they are humans. Babies deserve to live as much as you and I do.
OK, first off, you're not a woman, you wouldn't know what it's like to go through child birth. Granted, neither am I, but in making abortion illegal you're simply taking away a Woman's right to choose. It's not your choice whether she gets the abortion or not, it's hers.
If you make abortion illegal, we're just increasing the chances that women will go to backstreet clinics to get the job done.
They should not be having sex in the first place! If they arent ready for a baby then they should not take the risk of sex! And they cover up their actions by murdering! That is insane! You sir are insane!
Yeah, well, it's not always that simple nor easy to understand that a few seconds of unprotected penetration can lead to you ruining your own life.
But calling it murder? If your going to call the dissolution of a few cells murder, then you why aren't you feeding people in Africa or building homes in India?
Which is why you don't tread near that area in the first place unless you know you're ready. Just stay away all together and you're fine. Secondly, I don't care if their just cells are you stupid enough not to believe that we are a bunch of cells too? or did that just slip the mind. All humans are made of cells but its still a human being nonetheless. I guess if i kill someone its just a dissolution of a few cells anyway so it doesnt matter.
Of course not. But everyone knows the consequences before taking that step. If your a teen your mind knows. Now for the really young people who go by emotion only. It's their parents at fault for not watching over them when they are in relationships like that.
And yes a couple cells is a human being. It's in science textbooks that life begins at conception. I think you've clearly lost there. Everyone knows that. And even if its not aware it's our job to protect since it has no voice.
"But everyone knows the consequences before taking that step."
Er... no they don't.
Yes, but the fetus at that stage wouldn't be able to survive outside the mother's womb. So it's not self sustaining life. So there is quite a difference. And the dissolution of a few cells is quite different from a teenage mother becoming pregnant either through rape or unprotected safe and having the rest of her life ruined by one simple mistake.
If they thought about it they would. Everyone has common sense although sometimes I stop myself on that sentence because of all the idiots out there.
And I don't care if it's self-sustaining, it is still life. Again, everyone knows life begins at conception that does make it more or less right if it's only a week down the road of its development, it's still murder because it is life! You can call it what you want but it is still life! Bacteria is life and its one cell! The fetus is a human!
Look, degree 7. you can justify murder all you want, but it's still murder in the end: fact! Life is at conception: fact! And yes, there are tragedies in which the mother becomes pregnant through rape, but there is always adoption and its much better choice. You have to understand too that when a mother sits through her baby being murdered it WILL take a toll on her mental state so abortion actually harms her as well.
Secondly, it's not her life to take either, even if it is through rape. It's another human without the voice to speak for itself and since we don't know what it wants we must let it live! Because every human has the right to life! It's that simple, if you can't get this there is no point in debating.
That is the only area where I might allow it all. But its so rare I havent given it much thought. With all the medical help doctors can give the baby most will not pose a significant threat to the mother. But we really don't know hoe many of those scenarios happen.
Again, it's ridiculous how human rights are violated everyday, even in the US under Capital Punishment and the like, and yet so much attention is devoted to the 'rights' of a couple of cells that are just forming together under a microscope.
Should we give sperm cells rights too? Should we outlaw testicular amputation or vasectomies?????
Umm no sperm cells arent humans. It's not a life. I'm with you on human rights though. If I had enough power and a strong enough voice I would speak to things go on in china for instance. And yes, another thing that you are right is that a line must be drawn. We can't go around giving rights to sperm cells rights (not humans) or plants or animals. As a believer in god, we are made in his image which gives us special rights over everything else. Which includes babies at conception.
What makes us human is our ability to emit love, show compassion, fear, hate, and all the other range of emotions. A fetus is unable to do that.
Also, human beings must be capable of living independent existences, where they can lead separate lives. A fetus, in order to survive, must reside in it's mother's body. Therefore negotiating the rights of a fetus involves the rights and health of the mother as much as the fetus.
There are always exceptions degree 7. In an emergency situation it can become legal again. But again I havent given much thought to that situation as I said before it's so rare anyway b/c of all the help doctors can give now. But in any situation its still murder. No matter how you look at it. Sorry, it's just fact.
It's still murder to you, but you'd have no problem murdering a fetus for just that one time. Just like magic, it becomes legal again.
I guess a woman's rights are negotiable at that point with those of the fetus. What about the woman who was forced to have her baby and had her entire life ruined by taking care of it? How come she didn't get the right to have her abortion? Her rights were clearly in danger and yet she would have been denied a simple service.
I didn't see it was alright degree 7. I said if there was anytime that it would be alright, I would have to go with that one. But I didn't say it was right. And no one is forced to keep a baby there are always adoption centers. Also that situation is a bit extreme, ruin her entire life? A lot of the time, if someone has an unwanted baby they have help from parents, relatives etc. And again, if I was a father I would much rather ruin my life than murder.
"A lot of the time, if someone has an unwanted baby they have help from parents, relatives"
And a lot of the time they don't.
You're going to have to understand, not everyone is fortunate enough to have loving relatives who are automatically willing to take care of someone else' baby.
Alright degree 7. I just got back from somewhere but this time we will debate by email because its a lot easier than to type here. we are limited here. On my email I will have your questions answered and I will have counters to all of your arguments. Just wait. You're right I do have other people I'm debating
And why arent I in india or Africa because I can't go for one i'm too young. My parents would not allow it. But when I was older I was planning on doing it anyway. I'd love to help out.
And you know, it's not as if women always choose abortion when they get preganant, a lot of them choose to have the baby anyway.
It's just better to have the option there when it's needed, because a mother's life is as important as her childs and a fetus is not a fully created human life yet.
It was a typo,thanks for the correction. Aborted babies nearly triple the amount of people killed in the holocaust, it is more then mass scale. It's human devastation. Life begins at conception, any amount of research proves this point. Saying a mothers life is as important as her child's doesn't correspond with killing the baby to save the mothers life. I already proved how judging the humanity of a person by how well they are developed is completely flawed. Are adults more human then children?
A fetus isn't a child, so you're argument is already flawed.
And rape and mothers dying of child birth aren't as rare as you might think. In fact, they're probably as rare as women getting abortions anyway.
But the mother's health is as important as the babies, if she doesn't want to go through with it, then that's her choice. Better to have the choice there just in case, DON'T YA THINK?
And there are millions of unwanted children in the world anyway, if a teenage girl or rape victim didn't want her child, is that such a bad thing if it's her choice to begin with?
Ok, people have abortions for convenience, of course. Why ruin your life when you can simply have an abortion? You know, a 16 year old girl getting pregnant, sometimes she has no choice. Of course their are people who take advantage, like having three abortions in a row or something, which I find wrong, but it's their body and you can't really dictate what they can and can't do with it.
Most abortions are done when the fetus is nothing more than a group of cells or the like. It doesn't even know it's alive. The fetus at this stage wouldn't be able to survive outside the mother's womb.
I don't have to articulate jack shit for you, I'm just losing my patience with the amount of religious assholes who speak out against this. It ultimately becomes neccessary when I'm dealing with people like you. People who see things as either black or white.
You can take you're bullshit 'God', and go FUCK yourself. A god that hasn't helped anyone for 2000 years.
Wouldn't you say that babies have the right to the pursuit of LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? When a mother has a choice to murder her young, I say this country is backwards, wicked and anti-God. A lot of people are going to have to answer to God and America will definitely be judged.
We need a president who believes as Gov. Huckabee does that EVERY human being has the same intrinsic worth and value. You just know the Governor cares about ALL people. He has a respected record of executive experience for over a decade. Ready to lead..Huckabee 2012! It 's a marathon.
Huckabee wouldve helped america become a GOdly country again!! With peace and prosperity!! I cant believe YOU AMERICA didnt vote for this man to become president of USA!! Now we have a muslim and a celebrity as a president!! GOd help us all!!
The only possability to enter Pro life policies is to legalize and encourage gay adoption. It is not natural for a child to grow up in a orphanage. It often ends up with many psychological wounds in the child, growing up without loving parents.. Pro life people should be aware of those consequences.
Nonethelss, it gives no one the right to murder because the child has no say in the matter. So in benefit of the doubt the child must live. And you have no idea where each individual goes. Many of the children that died may have been people who could change the world. Now we will never know.
Any of you who know an infant right now, be it a friends or family member's, I want you to look that child in the eye and tell them that they don't deserve to live. Then come back to me and talk about a woman's "choice" to murder.
Life is full of consequences, I am sorry to say it but it is true. Your actions, all of your actions, have consequences. When someone gets pregnant, whether they meant to or not, there are consequesnces. I am sorry if the life that you created is inconvenient to you but it is nevertheless...a new life.
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Conservatives are hysterical. They don't want to teach kids about safe sex or condoms, and then when they get pregnant, they want the government to step in and force a woman through pregnancy. Mr. Huckabee, it's called christian fascism.
It's called respecting human life. One human does not have the right to murder another. That is just morally wrong, the same a slavery. We abolished slavery and it is time we stopped the murder of innocent life. Use a contraceptive or don't have sex. If you don't have enough fortitude to do that, then the child has a right to be born.
Suggesting that we should "amend the constitution to what the bible says" (Huckabee's own words when he campaigned for the republican nomination) reek of christian fascism. If that's not fascism or at least theocracy, then please tell me what is.
The government stepping in to force a woman into motherhood is FASCISM. You wingnuts like to rant on about how individual's should be allowed to make decisions for themselves but not if it violates your christian lunacy.
The constitution was written by men. So, what is wrong with what Huck said? Do you think men know more than GOD? He was speaking to Christians when he said this. That is obviously not you. Dont you know the president cant change the constitution without buy in from congress and a majority vote? Huck didnt say he WOULD do that, just he would like to see it happen. At least he was honest and open about what he believes. No one knows what Obama believes because he tricked people into voting.
Well anyone who would like to see one faith ruling everyone is a theocrat. I stand by what I said. He's entitled to his beliefs and I'm entitled to say that he's wrong. Last time we mixed religion with politics, people got burned at the stake.
Do you not know that Gov. Huckabee has ALREADYgoverned for over a decade so your arguement has already been disproved. Huck was voted one of he top 5 best Governors in the US and voted by his peers to preside over the Natn'l Govs. Association so he must have done a pretty good job.
Let me get this straight...your complaining about someone who wants to amend the constitution for the good? Do you realize that most of the constitution was FOUNDED on biblical values...and that's what makes (made) America so great?? If you ask me, I would rather have the government step in and save a life rather than spend 800 billion on a "stimulus" bill that isn't even gonna help America, actually, it's going to HURT it! then again you were probably one of those idiots who voted for Obama...
lol. are you serious? they say nothing of the sort. every economist will tell you that dumping government money into an economy only creates inflation and closes the gap to socialism...pull your head out of your butt and educate yourself. after you do that, check back, until then, quit posting lies and idiotic notions
Actually, did you know that Adams, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Hancock were all self-described agnostics/deists....even borderline atheists.
Don't believe me? Read their journals and biographies...don't let Fox News be your history teacher.
Furthermore, Jefferson stated that he based a lot of his input in the constitution of Islamic law from the Qur'an. He was fascinated with Islam and owned 8 copies of the Qur'an while one 2 Bibles. ***They still exist in his library, today.
as people we need to understand that every act or decision represents a consequence wheter good or bad, evading it teaches us that we dont have any responsabilty in what we do and if you feel you are old enough to make a decision as big as having sex then you are stating you know what you are doing, another life should not have to pay for your mistakes,,,,,this is why pro life stands up for the baby since they have no voice .
You throw the word fascism around lightly. He's trying to protect human life, and btw this is THE GREATEST moral question out there.
Hitler was a fascist. He exterminated millions. I would say the islamic extremists who just killed hundreds in india are fascist. Mike Huckabee, a man who sticks by his base and has never murdered anyone, i would say that was a bit of sand in the eyes. Obama's not a communist, Huckabee ain't a fascist. We are all americans we just disagree.
Though I'm for abortion I still agree with the first guy. In an ideal world no one would need to get abortion, but this isn't an ideal world. No woman wants to get pregnant just to do an abortion.
N3V3RM1ND25 What about the life of all the women who are not ready be it mentally, physically,emotionally,socially or financially to have those children. Then they should not get pregnant. Birth control is common today, and free to those who ask. 400 million abortions?. You cannot morally rationalize murder.Its said now some abortions are being done as cosmetic, meaning the parents want the opposite sex child so they abort. Its a sick society
"We truly value and respect elevate and celebrate every life"
ORLY Huckabee? What about the life of all the women who are not ready be it mentally, physically, emotionally, socially or financially to have those children?
Pro tip: Every child should be a wanted child. If women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, the result is unwanted children.
These Republicans are idiots. The government has no business, ZERO, none, of forcing women to go through with an unwanted pregnancy.
Yes I think the government does have the right to prevent murder. Whats the difference if a mother murders her child out of the womb or aborts the child in the womb? There is none. And no one is being forced to go through pregnancy(unless its rape) if you decide to have sex protected or not, you are risking pregnancy, and you should put that that in consideration before engaging in intercourse. People need to live up to their responsibilities. Liberals have no common sense.
love your last sentence. that is soo true! Liberals expect the right to commit any irresponsible act that they may desire but then not have to take any responsibility for it. Then in return, they EXPECT the government to take care of THEIR OWN stupidity/irresponsibility!! What do they think with???
Obviously not they're brain. It's nice to know that I'm not alone out in this crazy world brother. Keep on spreading the word and we will be rewarded down the road.
If every American has watched these debates Mike Huckabee would win the presidency by a landslide. We should all work to make sure every American gets to know who Mike Huckabee is before 2012!!!
Huckabee speaks of conviction and from the heart. Mitt stutters and stammers like a man speaking without core beliefs. This is why the country fell in love with Mike Huckabee. It is clear that "WE LIKE MIKE."
Are there any WOMEN who are against abortion? Or better, any PREGNANT ones??? A baby destroys life for women. If I got pregnant and couldn't get an abortion, I would have requested at least 1 billion dollars from the gov't for all the pain I would have to go through, just so I could throw the baby in the trash. There would be more orphans. And besides, we never have trouble killing other people. We never had trouble killing Native American children.
you're an idiot. i can only assume you feel that babies ruin mother's lives because your own mother told you that about you. and why should the government give you a billion dollars for something that happened to you? i'm guessing you're on welfare because the government is responsible for helping you live too? and what a pittiful argument that we never had trouble killing Native American children. I'm sure over 90% of Americans feel awful for what happened to Native Americans.
My mother had 3 kids because she very much wanted to. But I know that if something like suddenly getting pregnant happened to me without any plan, or just because I changed my mind I would want an abortion. I don't CARE what the hell happens to a bunch of cells living inside of me. It barley has feelings yet. It's brain isn't fully developed. Besides, we have no trouble killing during wars. The gov't should give money because it won't let us get abortions. That is a good reason. Abortion is good
ok idiots, my mom was pregnant a few month ago, the embryo did not grow well, if it wad not for abbortion, she'd have a dead embryo forever in her womb.
and btw, alot of stuff in hte bible talks about killing. if you actualy READ IT
We need sane politics strictly by the Constitution: RON PAUL 2012!!!!
woodydavidson420 8 months ago
Every one of us was an unborn child. The only thing added to a fertilized egg, once fertilized, is protein and oxygen. Mother Nature does the rest. I hope, hope, hope that future generations will look back and see abortion for what it is; the great crime of our time. Just as the Nazis de-humanized the Jews and made people think it was okay to kill them, so to do we de-humanize unborn children and make people believe it's okay to kill them. This is so, so, so above politics or anything else.
matrix4022 9 months ago
A zygotic clump of tissue, even a zygotic clump of tissue with human DNA, is not a person. It is a zygotic clump of tissue. Regardless of how much you religious freaks pray, and hope, and beg, and lie, a zygotic clump of tissue is not a person.
beesleeper 9 months ago
@ThevanGoghBlues thats completely inaccurate. He opposed passage of a bill that would have contributed to abortion fundings. Democrats, wanting to make Republicans look bad, decided to tack in that provision to make it harder for the GOP to vote for the bill
pepsigum87 9 months ago
The Nazis made people believe the Jews were "sub-human". The Communists in Russia made people believe clergymen and religious people were "sub-human." neo-liberals made people believe that unborn children were "sub-human".
matrix4022 11 months ago
I enjoy the fact that the majority of pro-lifers are completely okay with the death penalty and pointless wars that end defenseless lives, but are not okay with abortion; which also ends defenseless lives.
Now, if that's not hypocritical then I don't know what is.
thatcobainchick 1 year ago
@thatcobainchick The death penalty is for murderers who deserve to die. A baby didn't do anything wrong.
And not all Republicans are ok with wars. However, I would argue that a jihadist militia member with an Ak-47 isn't exactly "defenseless."
Drahthaar422 11 months ago
@thatcobainchick That's a good point, yet I would say that all of the little innocent children in Iraq that we've murdered since 2003 are defenseless. Also, I don't feel I have the right to tell any woman what to do with HER unborn child and neither should any other person. I can't even imagine how horrible it would be to be with child after being raped, then being told by a middle-aged white man that I must go through with my pregnancy. Options are great. Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-death.
thatcobainchick 11 months ago
@thatcobainchick I agree with you, but why did you say "middle aged white man"? What does him being white have to do with anything? Why not just say "anyone"?
ninjajesus81 11 months ago
@ninjajesus81 Just using that as an example, since the majority of politicians are "middle aged white men". Plus, I find it even more revolting.
thatcobainchick 11 months ago
@thatcobainchick I understand the first part, but what's "even more revolting" about them being white?
ninjajesus81 11 months ago
@ninjajesus81 Oh, nothing. I just wouldn't enjoy a human with a penis telling me what to do with my unborn child.
thatcobainchick 11 months ago
@thatcobainchick I agree, but again, why would you let ANYONE tel you what to do with your unborn child? Are you more likely to let a female tell you what to do with it than a male?
ninjajesus81 11 months ago
@ninjajesus81 Oh I certainly wouldn't. I just find a male attempting to command me to do whatever with my child is even more rude.
I would of course accept medical advice on what to do, doesn't matter the gender of the doctor obviously.
thatcobainchick 10 months ago
@thatcobainchick Why is it any more rude?
And you would find it less rude for a female who is a perfect stranger to tell you what to do with your unborn child, than it would be for your husband to tell you what to do with it?
ninjajesus81 10 months ago
@ninjajesus81 My husband wouldn't be a sexist, rude politician as most of them are. I would discuss the matter with my husband and make a joint decision. It makes more sense to me to have a woman tell me what to do with my unborn child. Women carry and birth children. Not men.
thatcobainchick 10 months ago
@thatcobainchick So because a woman has the capability to carry a child, that means they have more of a right to tell OTHER women what to do with their children than men do? That still makes no sense. They have just as much of a right to tell you what to do with your unborn child as a man does; ZERO right.
ninjajesus81 10 months ago
@ninjajesus81 Ouch. I have my opinion and you have yours. I'm done trying to restate mine.
thatcobainchick 10 months ago
@thatcobainchick You're inventing a reason to put women above men. That's the problem I'm having with what you're saying.
We both have agreed that other people don't have any right to tell someone else what to do with their unborn children. You said that in the first post.
But since then, you've been arguing that women have a little right to do that, while men still have zero.
Or do women have zero too, but their zero is a little higher than a man's zero?
ninjajesus81 10 months ago
Huckabee, who illegally stopped an abortion for an underage, mentally challenged girl raped by her step-father, apparently doesn't give a damn once you're out of the womb (he spoke out against health insurance for children with pre-existing conditions). Have you seen this wack job's son? He's the one who hung a dog at age 17. He looks like one of the murderers on ' Texas Chainsaw Massacre." Except you wouldn't need any makeup. Now, tell me what you'd do if your daughter was raped by his son?
VanGoghsEar1890 1 year ago
Lets see these people get raped and knocked up and forced to care for a child on minimum wage as a single parent before they have an opinion against abortion. I bet that will change their mind. Fucking disgusting arrogant pigs, the lot of them.
rexaxxel7 1 year ago
@rexaxxel7 Let's see someone stick a giant needle in you, before you have an opinion on abortion.
guilhermefreire48 1 year ago 18
@guilhermefreire48 Amen!
janieusa 1 year ago
@guilhermefreire48 Fine. I'll take a giant needle, and you'll get viciously raped by a group of thugs and then forced to give up all your hopes and dreams in order to raise a child against your will on minimum wage with no food stamps or welfare. Then we'll come back and see what our opinion on a woman's right to choose is. Deal?
michaelaurand 11 months ago
@michaelaurand Be grateful your parents didn't use this kind of "reasoning".If they did, you wouldn't even live to have the chance of having hopes and dreams.
guilhermefreire48 11 months ago
the people that dont want abortions should take care of them or shut the fuck up. no god exists either proof of any supreme ghost in the sky is completely groundless for all the worlds religions.
gr8indasack69 1 year ago
@gr8indasack69: Proof of happy accidents is also completely groundless..
RockyBalboa211 1 year ago
How come all these conservatives who hate abortion because every human life is sooooooooooo precious and valuable have no problem supporting carpet bombing innocent people? Or supporting the death penalty? Or sending brainwashed idiots in uniform far away to die? Fucking Hippocrates. Not very Jesussy is it?
darknlooking 1 year ago
That dude always twist his word on an answer, give a straight up answer
dylanroo 2 years ago
It's 2010 in two days and still to this day, this is an actual political question in America. How the hell can tha tbe? How is it that someone who a.) does't believe in evolution, b.) is anti-abortion and c.) is anti-gay rights can ever come in question as a prez candidate? I seriously fear for some americans mental health.
mandolinroad 2 years ago
Better yet how can an athiest, who pretends to be a Christian, and gives token homage to Christian values but really represents Secular Progessivsm, ever become president?
Oh wait we have one now.
hypermonkey24 2 years ago
@hypermonkey24 I don't know if he is but if he is, that's pretty good I suppose. I guess I'd be ok with an atheist who pretends just to fool the masses. As long as he's an atheist. That's the most important thing.
mandolinroad 2 years ago
Well your standards are very low.
hypermonkey24 2 years ago
Yeah, I suppose. But better that than a guy who seriously denies scientific facts, such as Mike Huckleberry, or whatever the heck his name is... ;)
mandolinroad 2 years ago
You would rather have a president who deliberately lies about his VALUES then a man who stands on his convictions?
Commmme on.
There is no hope for you.
hypermonkey24 2 years ago
I think the true tragedy lies in the fact that in order to become president, you have to be a christian and preferably also deny the fact of evolution. Ironically people dont consider you believable if you dont. The country is so tainted with religiousness that its impossible to become president as an atheist no matter how competent you are. So I fully understand why candidates may, if not lie so at least pretend to be a little bit more Christian than they are, to please the masses. [...]
mandolinroad 2 years ago
1. Well I don't respect a man who will not stand on his values.
2. With Obama it didn't matter. He is a naked Marxist and a fake Christian and everybody knows it. The only reason people like you can stomach him is because he doesn't really stand on Christain values even though he is a Christian.
3. Science and religion are not imcompatible. There is not EVIDENCE for that.
4. Our rights our justififed by a CREATOR. God is not irrelevant.
hypermonkey24 2 years ago
[...] Its not really relevant anyway since religion has nothing to do with governing. What IS relevant though, is whether your president recognizes scientific facts. Id rather have candidates not lie at all but things being the way they are I can see why theyd do it. Its really kind of sad.
mandolinroad 2 years ago
Btw, sorry about the lack of '
mandolinroad 2 years ago
I believe abortion is wrong...if you want to have sex with someone and you end up pregnant than thats your fault. If everyone would follow the rules of God saying do not foreignicate (misspelled) then abortion would not be an issue.
BlessedDesciple 2 years ago
@BlessedDesciple Yeah, problem is there is no God so... you lose.
mandolinroad 2 years ago
Huckabee on abortion: I believe the government should have the power to force a woman to carry a fetus against her will.
SQUIRREL!
AtlasShruggery 2 years ago
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xalysta13 2 years ago
first of all trees dont have souls babies do. second of all we can use trees when we (kill) them. what can we do with dead babies get rid of a pregnancy abortion is an obamanation and should be aboloished
23dukeboy 2 years ago
Huckabee 2012!
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
All Unborn babys are Innocent, helpless and have no choice ,their mother is their protector and meant to love them
Christiangrampa 2 years ago
I storngly believe that women should be able to have abortions. It's their baby, it's their choice.
degree7 2 years ago
So they should be able to kill their child at any point in their childs life right? No matter what age?
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
Well, no, if they're born then it's a little bit late for that.
But yeah, if they feel they want an abortion, then it's their choice, not yours or ours. They're the ones who have to go through the whole process.
degree7 2 years ago
How can you determine if it is too late or not? It's still their child, is it not?
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
Yeeees... I don't see where ur going with this
degree7 2 years ago
I already stated where I am going with this. Following your logic, the mother should be able to kill her child at any point in the child's life, under the justification that it is still her child. Your argument is flawed.
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
An abortion is when the mother has a fucking fetus inside of her and she can choose to have it aborted you dumb asshole.
Why don't you stop bullshitting yourself and go look up the debate on google.
degree7 2 years ago
I'm not sure what that last line meant considering I'm watching the debate right now, here on youtube...
You specifically said it was "her baby" in your first comment, but now you just changed it to fetus, you see the flaw in your argument so now you are changing the terminology because you don't want me to be right. Very mature by the way, I can see you put a lot of thought into what you say and have a very diversified knowledge of vocabulary. Graduate second grade then we can talk.
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
Your trying to change the words around to make me sound like I said mothers can murder a born and grown child. I'm talking about the fetus still inside the womb you FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!
For christs sakes man, what is it with this bullshit "oh graduate the second grade blah blah fuckin blah"?
No, stfu, you know exactly what I meant to say, you're just twisting the words to your advantage because you're on the wrong side of the argument and you know you can't win, you fascist asshole.
degree7 2 years ago
Lol I am winning because you're losing your mind because you know I am right. You are saying a mother can murder her child. Your logic is extremely flawed, you condone murder by disguising the child as a fetus so you won't feel so bad. I am not twisting your words, you said them and I am merely pointing out the inconsistancy.
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
And by go looking up the debate, I mean going and eyeing up the pros and cons instead of listening to these politicians blather on about "human life' when the only thing they give a shit about is getting elected.
The pros and cons are clearly where I base my opinion and instead of me explaining it to you in a fruitless argument, you ass blaster, you can go see for yourself why I say what I say.
degree7 2 years ago
No I think I'm ok pointing out how you believe that murdering babies is an acceptable practice.
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
So maybe you should stop being a complete dickhead about the argument and grow up.
degree7 2 years ago
You condone murder but then you call me a dickhead...think about it...everything i have said makes sense and is perfectly logical
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
I don't give a shit what you think. You can go off and tell yourself everything you say is logical, but that doesn't make it.
And yes, I condone murder, and you are a dickhead! Those are both perfectly true statements!
degree7 2 years ago
Blaah... what kind of argument is that?
the countries where you can get abortion legaly
dont do it after certain period of time
(when it's too developed)
Darusdei 2 years ago
What classifies as a "too developed" baby? Because they don't "look" human, or can't support themselves outside the womb?
Well then, that would mean someone with Down's Syndrome is not human, because they don't look like the average human either. And that means that people on life support are not human either, because they can't support themselves.
It is sceintifically proven that life starts at conception. Period. Abortion is always murder.
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
What if the woman was going to die if she gave birth to the child? And she was unable to have an abortion? That counts as murder too.
degree7 2 years ago
Those are extremely rare scenarios. But killing is still killing. Yes it is still murder. Prisoners are executed because they are guilty of an irreconcilable crime, though I don't agree with capital punishment. If a women is raped the child can still be given to an orphanage. You cannot judge the price of a life by the quality of a life. Following that logic, people should be able to abort anyone who doesn't fit the "perfect person" image. Look up Hitler, he was all for that.
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
What if a woman was raped and she didn't want her child?
What if her child had a severe mind crippling disease or had no arms or legs and she didn't think it would have a very good quality of life?
And how can you talk about being pro life when your country executes prisoners?
degree7 2 years ago
In the 1920's people were brutally murdered because they didn't fit the German perception of a person deserving life. They murdered millions because of this mentality. This is the same mentality that is behind abortion. This is murder simply because the child is an inconvenience. Well, so are the poor, the handicapped, and the old. So why can't we just kill them too? Because they are not animals, they are humans. Babies deserve to live as much as you and I do.
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
OK, first off, you're not a woman, you wouldn't know what it's like to go through child birth. Granted, neither am I, but in making abortion illegal you're simply taking away a Woman's right to choose. It's not your choice whether she gets the abortion or not, it's hers.
If you make abortion illegal, we're just increasing the chances that women will go to backstreet clinics to get the job done.
degree7 2 years ago
They should not be having sex in the first place! If they arent ready for a baby then they should not take the risk of sex! And they cover up their actions by murdering! That is insane! You sir are insane!
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Yeah, well, it's not always that simple nor easy to understand that a few seconds of unprotected penetration can lead to you ruining your own life.
But calling it murder? If your going to call the dissolution of a few cells murder, then you why aren't you feeding people in Africa or building homes in India?
Douchebag.
degree7 2 years ago
Which is why you don't tread near that area in the first place unless you know you're ready. Just stay away all together and you're fine. Secondly, I don't care if their just cells are you stupid enough not to believe that we are a bunch of cells too? or did that just slip the mind. All humans are made of cells but its still a human being nonetheless. I guess if i kill someone its just a dissolution of a few cells anyway so it doesnt matter.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
You do realize that not everyone has been fortunate enough to benefit from sex education, right?
Nor is that couple of cells a human being, or self aware.
degree7 2 years ago
Of course not. But everyone knows the consequences before taking that step. If your a teen your mind knows. Now for the really young people who go by emotion only. It's their parents at fault for not watching over them when they are in relationships like that.
And yes a couple cells is a human being. It's in science textbooks that life begins at conception. I think you've clearly lost there. Everyone knows that. And even if its not aware it's our job to protect since it has no voice.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
"But everyone knows the consequences before taking that step."
Er... no they don't.
Yes, but the fetus at that stage wouldn't be able to survive outside the mother's womb. So it's not self sustaining life. So there is quite a difference. And the dissolution of a few cells is quite different from a teenage mother becoming pregnant either through rape or unprotected safe and having the rest of her life ruined by one simple mistake.
degree7 2 years ago
If they thought about it they would. Everyone has common sense although sometimes I stop myself on that sentence because of all the idiots out there.
And I don't care if it's self-sustaining, it is still life. Again, everyone knows life begins at conception that does make it more or less right if it's only a week down the road of its development, it's still murder because it is life! You can call it what you want but it is still life! Bacteria is life and its one cell! The fetus is a human!
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Look, degree 7. you can justify murder all you want, but it's still murder in the end: fact! Life is at conception: fact! And yes, there are tragedies in which the mother becomes pregnant through rape, but there is always adoption and its much better choice. You have to understand too that when a mother sits through her baby being murdered it WILL take a toll on her mental state so abortion actually harms her as well.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Secondly, it's not her life to take either, even if it is through rape. It's another human without the voice to speak for itself and since we don't know what it wants we must let it live! Because every human has the right to life! It's that simple, if you can't get this there is no point in debating.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
So..... what if it was going to kill the mother?
degree7 2 years ago
That is the only area where I might allow it all. But its so rare I havent given it much thought. With all the medical help doctors can give the baby most will not pose a significant threat to the mother. But we really don't know hoe many of those scenarios happen.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Yes, but, uh.... if it was illegal you wouldn't be able to carry out the operation then anyway, would you?
degree7 2 years ago
Again, it's ridiculous how human rights are violated everyday, even in the US under Capital Punishment and the like, and yet so much attention is devoted to the 'rights' of a couple of cells that are just forming together under a microscope.
Should we give sperm cells rights too? Should we outlaw testicular amputation or vasectomies?????
degree7 2 years ago
Umm no sperm cells arent humans. It's not a life. I'm with you on human rights though. If I had enough power and a strong enough voice I would speak to things go on in china for instance. And yes, another thing that you are right is that a line must be drawn. We can't go around giving rights to sperm cells rights (not humans) or plants or animals. As a believer in god, we are made in his image which gives us special rights over everything else. Which includes babies at conception.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
So tell me then.... what makes a fertilized egg a 'human being'?
degree7 2 years ago
Umm no the it becomes a human being when the sperm and the egg join. The sperm by itself isnt human so it should not have human rights. Simple.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
A fetus consists of human tissue and DNA, but it's not a 'human being'.
It's as human as a flake of dandruff from my hair.
degree7 2 years ago
Well, at what stage would you consider it to be human? When it has eyes, ears?
gengrievous06 2 years ago
What makes us human is our ability to emit love, show compassion, fear, hate, and all the other range of emotions. A fetus is unable to do that.
Also, human beings must be capable of living independent existences, where they can lead separate lives. A fetus, in order to survive, must reside in it's mother's body. Therefore negotiating the rights of a fetus involves the rights and health of the mother as much as the fetus.
degree7 2 years ago
There are always exceptions degree 7. In an emergency situation it can become legal again. But again I havent given much thought to that situation as I said before it's so rare anyway b/c of all the help doctors can give now. But in any situation its still murder. No matter how you look at it. Sorry, it's just fact.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Rather contradicting there.
It's still murder to you, but you'd have no problem murdering a fetus for just that one time. Just like magic, it becomes legal again.
I guess a woman's rights are negotiable at that point with those of the fetus. What about the woman who was forced to have her baby and had her entire life ruined by taking care of it? How come she didn't get the right to have her abortion? Her rights were clearly in danger and yet she would have been denied a simple service.
degree7 2 years ago
I didn't see it was alright degree 7. I said if there was anytime that it would be alright, I would have to go with that one. But I didn't say it was right. And no one is forced to keep a baby there are always adoption centers. Also that situation is a bit extreme, ruin her entire life? A lot of the time, if someone has an unwanted baby they have help from parents, relatives etc. And again, if I was a father I would much rather ruin my life than murder.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
"A lot of the time, if someone has an unwanted baby they have help from parents, relatives"
And a lot of the time they don't.
You're going to have to understand, not everyone is fortunate enough to have loving relatives who are automatically willing to take care of someone else' baby.
degree7 2 years ago
"There are always exceptions degree 7. In an emergency situation it can become legal again."
I don't know, the way you structured that sentence, you sounded pretty certain that there can be 'exceptions'.
degree7 2 years ago
"And I don't care if it's self-sustaining, it is still life. Again, everyone knows life begins at conception"
In case you didn't learn this in Science class, life on this Earth began about 3.5 billion years ago.
degree7 2 years ago
Alright degree 7. I just got back from somewhere but this time we will debate by email because its a lot easier than to type here. we are limited here. On my email I will have your questions answered and I will have counters to all of your arguments. Just wait. You're right I do have other people I'm debating
gengrievous06 2 years ago
And why arent I in india or Africa because I can't go for one i'm too young. My parents would not allow it. But when I was older I was planning on doing it anyway. I'd love to help out.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Also, a fetus is not a fully grown baby, and it is not fully developed. Aborting a fetus when it's a week old is not murder.
And I'm suprised you can compare abortion to the holocaust, which was murder on a mass scale.
Plus, the holocaust began in the 1930s, so maybe YOU should pass the second grade before you talk to me, bitch.
degree7 2 years ago
If you want to continue this discussion in a mature way pm me, becuase I sense you are merely trying to insult me more then anything.
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
Oh, shut the hell up, you're the one to talk.
You were the one who began by insulting MY intelligence when I was trying to debate. Damn hypocrite!
degree7 2 years ago
And you know, it's not as if women always choose abortion when they get preganant, a lot of them choose to have the baby anyway.
It's just better to have the option there when it's needed, because a mother's life is as important as her childs and a fetus is not a fully created human life yet.
degree7 2 years ago
It was a typo,thanks for the correction. Aborted babies nearly triple the amount of people killed in the holocaust, it is more then mass scale. It's human devastation. Life begins at conception, any amount of research proves this point. Saying a mothers life is as important as her child's doesn't correspond with killing the baby to save the mothers life. I already proved how judging the humanity of a person by how well they are developed is completely flawed. Are adults more human then children?
RiseofFooDos 2 years ago
A fetus isn't a child, so you're argument is already flawed.
And rape and mothers dying of child birth aren't as rare as you might think. In fact, they're probably as rare as women getting abortions anyway.
But the mother's health is as important as the babies, if she doesn't want to go through with it, then that's her choice. Better to have the choice there just in case, DON'T YA THINK?
You're devaluing women.
degree7 2 years ago
And there are millions of unwanted children in the world anyway, if a teenage girl or rape victim didn't want her child, is that such a bad thing if it's her choice to begin with?
degree7 2 years ago
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degree7 2 years ago
OK, say a woman was pregnant with a child who had no arms and legs and had down syndrome or two heads or something.
If she believed both her life and her babies life would be better off if it was aborted in the first place, would you really blame her?
degree7 2 years ago
Would you deny that therapeutic abortion can have numerous advantages, and that women also have reproductive rights?
degree7 2 years ago
95% of Abortions are for convenience lets start there.
Christiangrampa 2 years ago
Ok, people have abortions for convenience, of course. Why ruin your life when you can simply have an abortion? You know, a 16 year old girl getting pregnant, sometimes she has no choice. Of course their are people who take advantage, like having three abortions in a row or something, which I find wrong, but it's their body and you can't really dictate what they can and can't do with it.
degree7 2 years ago
But what about the baby's body. It is destroyed and does not have a chance to even state it's mind in the abortion process.
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
Most abortions are done when the fetus is nothing more than a group of cells or the like. It doesn't even know it's alive. The fetus at this stage wouldn't be able to survive outside the mother's womb.
degree7 2 years ago
What about when we cut down trees through deforestation.
The Rainforests are having their bodies destroyed and they haven't had the chance to state they're mind about the process.
degree7 2 years ago
You want to compare a tree to a baby?
Spencernine 2 years ago
A fetus isn't even aware of it's own existance.
degree7 2 years ago
If this is the masses' rationale or justification of murdering their young then God help them all.
America is an anti-God country now. It will be judged.
Spencernine 2 years ago
Shut the fuck up you bible thumping piece of shit mongrel.
You can go to hell for taking away a women's right to life you son of a bitch.
degree7 2 years ago
Name-calling is the best you can do? You can't even articulate your argument.
I don't care what anyone says. There's no winning against God. Murder is murder. He says it's wrong. Case closed.
Spencernine 2 years ago
I don't have to articulate jack shit for you, I'm just losing my patience with the amount of religious assholes who speak out against this. It ultimately becomes neccessary when I'm dealing with people like you. People who see things as either black or white.
You can take you're bullshit 'God', and go FUCK yourself. A god that hasn't helped anyone for 2000 years.
degree7 2 years ago
You are truly lost.
Spencernine 2 years ago
Neither is a tree genius. But a fetus is at least a human being. Thats a stupid argument.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Wouldn't you say that babies have the right to the pursuit of LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? When a mother has a choice to murder her young, I say this country is backwards, wicked and anti-God. A lot of people are going to have to answer to God and America will definitely be judged.
Spencernine 2 years ago
We need a president who believes as Gov. Huckabee does that EVERY human being has the same intrinsic worth and value. You just know the Governor cares about ALL people. He has a respected record of executive experience for over a decade. Ready to lead..Huckabee 2012! It 's a marathon.
nrobyar 3 years ago 2
Huckabee wouldve helped america become a GOdly country again!! With peace and prosperity!! I cant believe YOU AMERICA didnt vote for this man to become president of USA!! Now we have a muslim and a celebrity as a president!! GOd help us all!!
1mexi23 3 years ago 5
The only possability to enter Pro life policies is to legalize and encourage gay adoption. It is not natural for a child to grow up in a orphanage. It often ends up with many psychological wounds in the child, growing up without loving parents.. Pro life people should be aware of those consequences.
pegelatrin 3 years ago
Tons of unwanted children overcrowding orphanages. Hooray.
and knock off the murder bullshit. A collection of cells incubating in a tube is not equal to a baby or life.
BurningOrchids 3 years ago
Well yeah actually it does. Life starts with cells. Our bodies are made of tissue and flesh formed by cells. Get your head out of your ass.
nimitz1983 3 years ago
Nonethelss, it gives no one the right to murder because the child has no say in the matter. So in benefit of the doubt the child must live. And you have no idea where each individual goes. Many of the children that died may have been people who could change the world. Now we will never know.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Any of you who know an infant right now, be it a friends or family member's, I want you to look that child in the eye and tell them that they don't deserve to live. Then come back to me and talk about a woman's "choice" to murder.
tellyourgfhi 3 years ago
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fuck you asshole
Liamisamom 3 years ago
Life is full of consequences, I am sorry to say it but it is true. Your actions, all of your actions, have consequences. When someone gets pregnant, whether they meant to or not, there are consequesnces. I am sorry if the life that you created is inconvenient to you but it is nevertheless...a new life.
tellyourgfhi 3 years ago
Haha burningorchids you don't have the foggiest idea what your talking about lmao
Austin8641 3 years ago
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Conservatives are hysterical. They don't want to teach kids about safe sex or condoms, and then when they get pregnant, they want the government to step in and force a woman through pregnancy. Mr. Huckabee, it's called christian fascism.
BurningOrchids 3 years ago
It's called respecting human life. One human does not have the right to murder another. That is just morally wrong, the same a slavery. We abolished slavery and it is time we stopped the murder of innocent life. Use a contraceptive or don't have sex. If you don't have enough fortitude to do that, then the child has a right to be born.
nrobyar 3 years ago 8
Suggesting that we should "amend the constitution to what the bible says" (Huckabee's own words when he campaigned for the republican nomination) reek of christian fascism. If that's not fascism or at least theocracy, then please tell me what is.
The government stepping in to force a woman into motherhood is FASCISM. You wingnuts like to rant on about how individual's should be allowed to make decisions for themselves but not if it violates your christian lunacy.
BurningOrchids 3 years ago
The constitution was written by men. So, what is wrong with what Huck said? Do you think men know more than GOD? He was speaking to Christians when he said this. That is obviously not you. Dont you know the president cant change the constitution without buy in from congress and a majority vote? Huck didnt say he WOULD do that, just he would like to see it happen. At least he was honest and open about what he believes. No one knows what Obama believes because he tricked people into voting.
nrobyar 3 years ago
Well anyone who would like to see one faith ruling everyone is a theocrat. I stand by what I said. He's entitled to his beliefs and I'm entitled to say that he's wrong. Last time we mixed religion with politics, people got burned at the stake.
BurningOrchids 3 years ago
Do you not know that Gov. Huckabee has ALREADYgoverned for over a decade so your arguement has already been disproved. Huck was voted one of he top 5 best Governors in the US and voted by his peers to preside over the Natn'l Govs. Association so he must have done a pretty good job.
nrobyar 2 years ago
Let me get this straight...your complaining about someone who wants to amend the constitution for the good? Do you realize that most of the constitution was FOUNDED on biblical values...and that's what makes (made) America so great?? If you ask me, I would rather have the government step in and save a life rather than spend 800 billion on a "stimulus" bill that isn't even gonna help America, actually, it's going to HURT it! then again you were probably one of those idiots who voted for Obama...
jonbar87 3 years ago
sepaeration of church and state?
the best economist say the stimulus will help
I trust them over you
xpo50 2 years ago
lol. are you serious? they say nothing of the sort. every economist will tell you that dumping government money into an economy only creates inflation and closes the gap to socialism...pull your head out of your butt and educate yourself. after you do that, check back, until then, quit posting lies and idiotic notions
jonbar87 2 years ago
Actually, did you know that Adams, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Hancock were all self-described agnostics/deists....even borderline atheists.
Don't believe me? Read their journals and biographies...don't let Fox News be your history teacher.
Furthermore, Jefferson stated that he based a lot of his input in the constitution of Islamic law from the Qur'an. He was fascinated with Islam and owned 8 copies of the Qur'an while one 2 Bibles. ***They still exist in his library, today.
PhatSlammer 2 years ago
I have read their journals/diaries and they say nothing of the sort. Washington for example was a devout christian. Read from Dust to Glory.
gengrievous06 2 years ago
Yay a sane thinker!
gengrievous06 2 years ago
as people we need to understand that every act or decision represents a consequence wheter good or bad, evading it teaches us that we dont have any responsabilty in what we do and if you feel you are old enough to make a decision as big as having sex then you are stating you know what you are doing, another life should not have to pay for your mistakes,,,,,this is why pro life stands up for the baby since they have no voice .
chalatenango234 3 years ago 2
You throw the word fascism around lightly. He's trying to protect human life, and btw this is THE GREATEST moral question out there.
Hitler was a fascist. He exterminated millions. I would say the islamic extremists who just killed hundreds in india are fascist. Mike Huckabee, a man who sticks by his base and has never murdered anyone, i would say that was a bit of sand in the eyes. Obama's not a communist, Huckabee ain't a fascist. We are all americans we just disagree.
toolatescissors 3 years ago 3
What about the lives of Innocent Iraqi children. Some Americans really are nauseating.
porta44 3 years ago
Yeah you know since we go out of our way to kill children, plunder villages, and rape women.
Good job at swiftly proving your an idiot.
HeIzLegend 3 years ago 2
You don't go out of your way to do it, you just do it. Good job at swiftly proving your an idiot.
porta44 3 years ago
Though I'm for abortion I still agree with the first guy. In an ideal world no one would need to get abortion, but this isn't an ideal world. No woman wants to get pregnant just to do an abortion.
SilkSwe 3 years ago
"Pro tip: Every child should be a wanted child. If women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, the result is unwanted children."
Every child IS wanted even if it isn't by the mother....
The child has the right to live even if it isn't wanted by it's mother..
If the mother is unfit, give it to someone who is...
Simple as that..
GOD BLESS YOU MIKE HUCKABEE!!!!
You will always have my vote...
GospelPete 3 years ago 8
wait is god going to find a father for the bastard child from the woman who was raped in the alleyway, well god didn't seem to help.
34hgm 3 years ago
N3V3RM1ND25 What about the life of all the women who are not ready be it mentally, physically,emotionally,socially or financially to have those children. Then they should not get pregnant. Birth control is common today, and free to those who ask. 400 million abortions?. You cannot morally rationalize murder.Its said now some abortions are being done as cosmetic, meaning the parents want the opposite sex child so they abort. Its a sick society
newcor34 3 years ago
"We truly value and respect elevate and celebrate every life"
ORLY Huckabee? What about the life of all the women who are not ready be it mentally, physically, emotionally, socially or financially to have those children?
Pro tip: Every child should be a wanted child. If women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, the result is unwanted children.
These Republicans are idiots. The government has no business, ZERO, none, of forcing women to go through with an unwanted pregnancy.
N3V3RM1ND25 3 years ago
Yes I think the government does have the right to prevent murder. Whats the difference if a mother murders her child out of the womb or aborts the child in the womb? There is none. And no one is being forced to go through pregnancy(unless its rape) if you decide to have sex protected or not, you are risking pregnancy, and you should put that that in consideration before engaging in intercourse. People need to live up to their responsibilities. Liberals have no common sense.
nimitz1983 3 years ago 2
love your last sentence. that is soo true! Liberals expect the right to commit any irresponsible act that they may desire but then not have to take any responsibility for it. Then in return, they EXPECT the government to take care of THEIR OWN stupidity/irresponsibility!! What do they think with???
jonbar87 3 years ago
Obviously not they're brain. It's nice to know that I'm not alone out in this crazy world brother. Keep on spreading the word and we will be rewarded down the road.
nimitz1983 3 years ago
Conserve your values brothas, it will reward you in heaven.
ACDCLedZeppelin93 2 years ago
If every American has watched these debates Mike Huckabee would win the presidency by a landslide. We should all work to make sure every American gets to know who Mike Huckabee is before 2012!!!
nrobyar 3 years ago
huckabee is an awesome all around politican and romeny has good views but i think as a person is an asshole
hokie423 3 years ago
Abortion, and murder is WRONG!!!!
hartwoodboy 3 years ago
Huckabee speaks of conviction and from the heart. Mitt stutters and stammers like a man speaking without core beliefs. This is why the country fell in love with Mike Huckabee. It is clear that "WE LIKE MIKE."
nrobyar 3 years ago
f u huck
boomachine1 3 years ago
FUCK YOU
ShaylovesBrandon 3 years ago
Are there any WOMEN who are against abortion? Or better, any PREGNANT ones??? A baby destroys life for women. If I got pregnant and couldn't get an abortion, I would have requested at least 1 billion dollars from the gov't for all the pain I would have to go through, just so I could throw the baby in the trash. There would be more orphans. And besides, we never have trouble killing other people. We never had trouble killing Native American children.
dragonofthedarknight 3 years ago
you're an idiot. i can only assume you feel that babies ruin mother's lives because your own mother told you that about you. and why should the government give you a billion dollars for something that happened to you? i'm guessing you're on welfare because the government is responsible for helping you live too? and what a pittiful argument that we never had trouble killing Native American children. I'm sure over 90% of Americans feel awful for what happened to Native Americans.
mturnblom 3 years ago
My mother had 3 kids because she very much wanted to. But I know that if something like suddenly getting pregnant happened to me without any plan, or just because I changed my mind I would want an abortion. I don't CARE what the hell happens to a bunch of cells living inside of me. It barley has feelings yet. It's brain isn't fully developed. Besides, we have no trouble killing during wars. The gov't should give money because it won't let us get abortions. That is a good reason. Abortion is good
dragonofthedarknight 3 years ago
ok idiots, my mom was pregnant a few month ago, the embryo did not grow well, if it wad not for abbortion, she'd have a dead embryo forever in her womb.
and btw, alot of stuff in hte bible talks about killing. if you actualy READ IT
shooterman20 3 years ago
Firstly, it wouldn't be FOREVER. Secondly, the Bible doesn't say to murder. Abortion is basicly murder.
SAGEmovieproductions 3 years ago
LOL WHAT!?!?! "The bible doesn't say to murder" WHAT?!?!?! LOL!! Have you READ IT??? LOL Oh god! God help I can't breathe!!!
dragonofthedarknight 3 years ago