yes i'm tyred telling people how stupid they really are in believing he actually guessed the numbers but this video is cool all you have to do to see what the video is saying is to... WATCH closely at the TOP of the ball on the lef before he turns them around
Heat. The balls exposed to the studio lights expanded and reached a point where they had to realign ;) Regardless of how he did it, it was a cool trick. Full marks to Derren!
Actually his BS explanation using all those people over a period of time would have also been possible using a computer program to recreate the randomness. !...it was a cheap TV trick disguised as some improbable fantasy.
Okay here is a clue, he DID NOT predict the numbers, he simply claimed to have predicted them after the event. This is a simple conjuring trick. If he could really do it, why not prove it before hand by saying the numbers will be XXX
Anyone notice that the 24 people all shouted YES we did it, and we did it live.... (no despite where Derren was had a seating area) you were somewhere elsewhere also from the audience of 24 can we assume that although they picked the number in derren's crazy way that they didn't know which number they picked. Otherwise if they'd picked them earlier in the day they could say when the real number come out of the machine...."hang on these were not the numbers we picked!"
I expected him to give a logical explanation, to maybe show the trick. But his 'explanation' is almost an insult to the educated mind. It's one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard someone say on T.V. There is no 'wisdom', no statistics, no probability, no mathematical method to predict 6 random numbers - and in the correct sequence. Not even a million minds working together would help. I lost all respect for this actor.
technically, there is an equation and solution for everything. As much as it seems impossible or unlikely that we could figure out something like that with enormous odds against us, it may very well be possible. And for the record, i dont believe he did it either.
Kind of. Technically the only solution to this one is to write down all the 14 million or so possible combinations and then one will be correct. You could enlist millions of people and perhaps get them to pick random sets of numbers which could be compared with the actual result of the draw. You could call it a lottery.
I see what you did there, but there is a formulae that can figure out the correct answer, but it would have to take every detail of the lottery balls, machine and the environment around it to give out an accurate answer, and the calculations would be beyond human abillity to work out. Basically, it can be done, but the measurements neccessary to figure it out would have to be taken just before and during the lottery draw.
Unfortunately it can't be done because it is impossible to know every detail, even theoretically. To understand this you would need to read up on Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle. Basically, the science of physics has moved on since Newton and it's now agreed that there are actual limits to what can be measured in any system. We don't live in a clockwork Universe and underlying all processes at the subatomic level are truly random fluctuations.
camera trick.. left hand side of screen was frozen and over layed with still image of balls when numbers came out.... stagehand simple put the balls in... the screen was then unfrozen and the real left hand side was faded in... duh
This video proves absolutely nothing. The idea of somebody being able to predict what the numbers that come out of those machines will be is impossible. Something tells me that he and the show's producers knew what the numbers would be right from the start; this amounts to organized cheating.
Click the link in the info on the right and you'll see how it was done without any need for prior knowledge of the numbers. If he really knew what they would be why didn't he reveal them just before the numbers were drawn rather than just after?
He wasn't able to by broadcasting law, the BBC wouldn't allow him. Also they weren't comfortable with the stunt if they felt it would benefit him or anyone else in anyway. Channel 4 agreed they'd end his contract with them if he put a ticket on.
There is no broadcasting law that would prevent someone from guessing lottery numbers on TV. The BBC know full well that predicting lottery numbers is just down to luck and the odds are 14 million to 1 against. There is simply no way known to man to alter this without tampering with the machinery which of course the BBC wouldn't allow. It's all just bluff and deception to make you think DB really did predict the numbers correctly. He didn't.
What I posted is meant to show the error that reveals he used a split screen. Have a look at the info on the right - there's a link to a great (short) explanation which shows exactly how he did it. Watch that and then call me a twat if you still don't believe it.
I believe the human mind is very powerful so i think theres some truth to his explanation, im not really trusting this video because the balls were in view the whole time and the feed was live so you would have noticed someone switching the balls... i switched to bbc and the feed was the same as the one on derrens TV too
I also believe the human mind is very powerful, so powerful that it has invented technology to transmit live moving pictures to your home. It has also invented live video effects including the ones used to make this trick work. It's the same technology used in movies to place CGI aliens or spaceships into live action scenes.
its pretty stacking all this evidence its a shame, although even if he did fake it he is still highly skilled and intelligent would love to meet him! but at the same time there is no need to do this!
To prove your theory can you post a video of you picking the 5 random number balls and arranging them in numberical order keeping them straight and level as you put them in a rack within the time frame shown? Now that would be a trick worth seeing.
The person placing the balls can select them from a box (that has all the numbers in order) as they are called on lottery draw. Then they have 24 seconds from the last ball announced to the camera switch to place the balls in order on the rack. There could be two assistants doing this - one handing the correct balls to the other to place. To be safe they'd need to do it in maybe 15 secs and then get off screen - 3 secs per ball which isn't too difficult.
Nice find. Maybe the brick wall was chosen in case the cut or fade would mess up due to indirect light or reflection. All the more reason why this is probably how it was done. Good job man.
Yeah prediction of truley random numbers is impossible, and that's why the machine they use to draw the balls is analogue. Because only in true "lottery" can randomness be achieved. If it was a machine that digitally selected numbers at some point a programmer would have had to tell the machine "what random IS" and then there would be a way to crack that system. This was a trick, but enjoy it for what it is: Entertainment,... :D
Something like a morph video transition effect could produce what you see. I haven't looked closely at the frames around the transition but I'm 100% certain it's a change from recorded to a live shot.
I do believe its camera tricks which i am really ashamed of such a great illusionist to do but he knows it was just a camera trick and is testing us so we talk more about it and getting him more views on channel 4. But dont forget people that his 3rd event will be about an undercover spy!!! SO this might be him being undercover in the lottery and wrigging the machine!!!
my favourite point about the 'wisdom of crowds' is that if you get 24 people to predict an event with a probablity of 14,000,000 to 1 it with only lower the probablity to 14,000,000 to 24. its the same as buying 24 tickets of different numbers. but then he spoils it by taking an average of their answers, thus making it 14,000,000 to 1 again. haha he should've got 24 tickets, least he would've had a better chance!!!
well thats it. as a maths graduate as soon as he started saying "deep maths" i knew it was a trick. there's lots of studies that support the idea that people in crowds perform worse intellectually than on their own. say what you want about derren, he's very good at understanding the psychology behind misdirection. mostly its just cue suggestions but people fall for it everytime, if we didn't, advertising wouldn't work!!!
If you're referring to the coin tosses with the "deep maths" business then you have to bear in mind that they were counting continuously NOT in sets of 3 tosses. THH will ALWAYS come up before HHH unless HHH is the VERY FIRST sequence tossed. It's pretty simple, keep tossing a coin until you get HHH, if you DON'T get it the first time then a T will precede the H's and therefore make THH appear before HHH each time.
derren brown lost a lot of my trust and respect with this farse. his show was basically an hour of bullshit, trying to make the viewer believe it's some sort of number theory work or wisdom in crowds nonsense (which obviously wouldn't be able to predict the lottery anymore than by chance). i'm disappointed he didn't tell the viewer how it was actually done and instead put 2 or 3 stupid theories in their head. he said he was going to show how he did it but he did nothing of the sort.
Couldn't agree more. I have lost a lot of respect for Derren Brown now. To resort to technology and camera tricks is just pathetic. He should be ashamed of himself.
what really gives him away in his video, are his reactions.. if you predicted lottery numbers, you'd probably have them stuck in your head and wouldn't need to write them down from the tv-screen.. and you'd already know you got it right before eagerly waiting for the bonus number which you then discard..
what really gives him away in his video, are his reactions.. if you predicted lottery numbers, you'd probably have them stuck in your head and wouldn't need to write them down from the tv-screen.. and you'd already know you got it right before eagerly waiting for the bonus number which you then discard..
he wrote them down so he could hold them above the prediction balls. Most people watching wouldn't have remember all of the numbers so he was doing it for their benefit you idiot.
you're the idiot one.. i'm saying if he predicted the numbers before the show, he wouldn't need to look at the screen so much before writing them down on paper.. after the draw he would already know he was right and therefore would be able to write them on the paper without looking at the screen so much..
Oh, and also, if you watch the full clip, it looks like Derren did in fact notice that the "moving" ball was out of place when he turned them around. He acted a bit taken aback when he pointed to that ball and even (IMO) tried to push it back down for a split second before realizing he shouldn't be doing that. My guess is that an assistant got fired after after this show.
Yeah, ball 39 moves. It's undeniable. I guess this has to be the explanation, since the both of the ones he gave in the "reveal" (automatic writing by 24 people and rigging the lottery) were ludicrous.
Did you see the 'explaination' where he got a group of actors to pretend to be his own mini 'wisdom of the crowd' machine? lol.
The thing with that wisdom of the crowd thing (which does work by the way) is that the crowd is guessing on something tangible that they can see (and therefore have at least some clue) not so with some arbitrary number! The way he applied it was total poo.
In his defense, I think it is interesting to see it demonstrated how little people know about numbers and how easily they can be duped. I don't think that group were actors but that he played some kind of trick on them too - I only say that because they were very convincing. Maybe he cheated them about the timing and actually did the thing in reverse - ie, the lottery draw happened before the group "picked" the numbers but he showed them the video as if live afterwards.
He pretended they couldn't reveal the numbers they'd picked to anyone before the draw which is nonsense because it was only a guess, even if it turned out to be correct. Because of this the group weren't allowed out of the room and I'm sure they had to hand in their mobile phones. Maybe he got their watches too and they didn't know what time it was.
That doesnt explain the first 3 times they did it though. 1 number, then 3, then 4 with 2 of them being very close.
I'm not sure yet. I think you should just be open to anything. The numbers, the camera trick or even rigging the machine. The only way we will find out is if he admits the truth or if another group of people do the numbers thing to see what their results are like.
Predicting random numbers is impossible as that's the meaning of random; the specifics can't be predicted only the overall probability can. There are NO exceptions to this unless you believe in psychic phenomena (which Derren says he doesn't.) Tampering with the machines would be a national scandal resulting in EVERYBODY who bought a ticket for that lottery being able to demand their money back and DB would be committing a criminal offense. So it must be camera trickery.
But theres no proof that he did rig it. Even if the BBC got the balls and weighed them I doubt they would want to give everyone their money back.
Anyway as I said I'm still open to all 3 possibilities although I do lean towards the camera theory more.
His excuse for not showing the numbers beforehand is bullshit. I mean he only had a guess. The lottery people couldn't do anything about someone guessing the results on TV even if they were correct.
They wouldn't want to give the money back but it would destroy the credibility of the whole lottery and would be a big deal considering the millions of pounds at stake. I would bet my life on it being nothing to do with DB having tampered with the balls. Well, not with those balls. Sorry, it's hard to resist such puns. I agree about the excuse for not showing the numbers - there's no rule that say you can't tell others what numbers you've chosen even if that's on TV.
How do you get 23 people to at random pick ball number one in hope's that the 24th person doesn't pick a number higher than 21.... On this basis the only way to average a number to 1 is for everyone to pick it, there is a very small allowence but the odds of "Wisdom of Crowds" picking ball 1 is near impossible. hence when he did his first test and got three out of the 6 right the lowest three numbers failed.
very good video. like you say...simples. It's just a shame that the assistant messed it up. I bet you Derren Brown was proper pissed off after the show on Wednesday. As for Friday's show, it was as entertaining as watching paint dry.
A lot of people referred to it as frozen - this is why I was curious. I don't suppose it matters if it's a frozen shot or in real time. It looked perfect, you couldn't see the joins. And the fake camera judder helped to create the illusion it was one whole image rather than two images put together. Clever stuff.
I don't know if the left side is frozen (like a photo) or actually a pre-recorded running in real time shot. I'm not sure if anyone can determine that.
I should think it's a moving image as a still would be more noticeable but 'm not sure. My understanding of motion control is that you shoot once and record the camera movement which can then be repeated.
The left side of the set is not in real time, it's pre-recorded or frozen. This hides the assistant when he/she comes over and put the correct balls in the container. BUT... and it's a big BUT... the assistant didn't put the far left ball right into the container - it's not level with the other balls. This proves it was done with a split screen! The ball hasn't risen - it just gives that impression because the frozen image of the balls were all level but the altered ball is NOT level!
LOL The ball didn't rise like a balloon. LOL. It's merely in a higher postion than the original frozen shot we see. What happens is when Brown is watching the tv the left side of the screen is fake, it's not in real time. The balls are all level in the fake frozen or pre-recorded image but when the real left side is revealed the far left ball is higher because the assistant didn't put it level with the rest. It didn't rise, merely put back in the wrong position (so it looks like it's risen).
Not stop motion but motion control. It's a system for recording camera movements so they can be accurately repeated and is used for CGI in movies. This time it was just used to match the small camera shakes so that people would believe the entire shot was filmed hand held and live.
YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!! It's a fact lottery balls contain helium - a lighter than air gas. It's quite common for lottery balls to rise. I have some and they rise all the time. Some even refuse to come down from the ceiling, Damn stubborn things!!
@KEATON459 That would be because of a slow fade. Basically, frozen frames are imposed over each other from one image to the next so as not to be noticeable.
If we didn't have the internet, and some totally fired assistant hadn't cocked that up, then this would be an impressive trick.
Unfortunately, we do, and they did, so I'm sadly feeling extremely let down by tonight's hour of misdirection.
It's true, they do appear not to move. That's the thing about having entirely white balls, complete with minutely distortive perspex.
If you look at this section of the clip compared to the rest of the ten minute performance, then you can clearly see how really very steady it is, for about 3 seconds where the entire left side of the screen is almost static, for the image to be layered over.
Even watching like this, it's so hard to spot because of the aforementioned visual tricks!
The change over can be done without a fade as everything in the scene should have been exactly the same in both shots. It's a straight cut which is why the ball jumps from one position to the next but everything else matches. A small error that gave the game away.
Derren Brown wrote the numbers on the balls with his mind, or... This is a good trick -a great trick, even- using a motion control camera, split-screen, a nice subtle wipe after the balls are swapped, lots of showmanship while he's writing the numbers down to allow for the final ball be replaced. The 2nd camera in the room was actually a pre-record, to show a hand-held camera shooting Derren. In tonight's show the real camera-2 feed will be shown. It is the *only* way to do this trick!
I know gravityboy what youtube and the age of the Internet has taught us is there is two types of people: dumb fuck sheeple and those of us with IQs above 100
Indeed, there are some numbers on the lamp post in the advert, but they don't match the ones from the lottery draw. Not even one of those numbers matches.
Your close-up seems to show the ball actually moves rather than being a cut between a recorded and live shot. I think you have disproved it with this. Not saying he didn't use video tricks, just that this isn't part of it.
Probably more that the ball moved shortly after someone had placed it on the stand.
It moved slowy because the transition was some kind of morph rather than a quck and sudden switch over, probably to eliminate any slight discrepancies that may occur and would have been more obvious in a qiuick and sudden switch over. Even if the ball anomaly wasn't spotted, the claim that you cannot state your 'prediction' for the lottery numbers before the official numbers is total bollocks.
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You may not have noticed, but Derren revealed the secret himself... watch my video and see!
tabbycreatedmagic 8 months ago
people are figuring it out, think about it, post videos on yourube, watch videos on youtube
Grabbing your attention is all that it's about in the end
transfixedtornado 2 years ago
You are completely right, we are all willingly taking part in the publicity advertising machine.
tearecords 2 years ago
yes i'm tyred telling people how stupid they really are in believing he actually guessed the numbers but this video is cool all you have to do to see what the video is saying is to... WATCH closely at the TOP of the ball on the lef before he turns them around
renducat 2 years ago
I wonder which member of Brown's close-knit entourage got sacked for that gaff?
psybinetic 2 years ago
here is a HQ download link in the right aspect ratio: bit[dot]ly/bMeuE
good idea using image stabilising software :)
tyler - struggled with the the auto. writing, but amazing at maths! lol.
dave597 2 years ago
Heat. The balls exposed to the studio lights expanded and reached a point where they had to realign ;) Regardless of how he did it, it was a cool trick. Full marks to Derren!
Gertch 2 years ago
possible but the speed in which the ball realigns, around 3 seconds is to fast to be such a reaction
jpixels 2 years ago
Actually his BS explanation using all those people over a period of time would have also been possible using a computer program to recreate the randomness. !...it was a cheap TV trick disguised as some improbable fantasy.
astrium 2 years ago
A synical approach towards something that could be potentially possible.
Thefeistycactaur 2 years ago
Brown's 'explanation' on Friday was an insult to a person of normal intelligence. 'Deep maths' indeed! My arse!
monkeyboy648 2 years ago 5
Okay here is a clue, he DID NOT predict the numbers, he simply claimed to have predicted them after the event. This is a simple conjuring trick. If he could really do it, why not prove it before hand by saying the numbers will be XXX
Stussy88776655 2 years ago 2
He said that the nation lottery said they had the legal right to announce the numbers before anyone else
AntwonWillis 2 years ago
Anyone notice that the 24 people all shouted YES we did it, and we did it live.... (no despite where Derren was had a seating area) you were somewhere elsewhere also from the audience of 24 can we assume that although they picked the number in derren's crazy way that they didn't know which number they picked. Otherwise if they'd picked them earlier in the day they could say when the real number come out of the machine...."hang on these were not the numbers we picked!"
marksmart1976 2 years ago
Simplessss
I love the meerkat adverts, i use that quite alot after watching them.
aceyrage 2 years ago
The other explanations were absolute shit
No way derren can talk his way out of this
ehmazin 2 years ago
if u dont get it Look at the First Ball. it moves up and down
ryanl62 2 years ago
I expected him to give a logical explanation, to maybe show the trick. But his 'explanation' is almost an insult to the educated mind. It's one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard someone say on T.V. There is no 'wisdom', no statistics, no probability, no mathematical method to predict 6 random numbers - and in the correct sequence. Not even a million minds working together would help. I lost all respect for this actor.
nitish714 2 years ago 2
technically, there is an equation and solution for everything. As much as it seems impossible or unlikely that we could figure out something like that with enormous odds against us, it may very well be possible. And for the record, i dont believe he did it either.
Thefeistycactaur 2 years ago
Kind of. Technically the only solution to this one is to write down all the 14 million or so possible combinations and then one will be correct. You could enlist millions of people and perhaps get them to pick random sets of numbers which could be compared with the actual result of the draw. You could call it a lottery.
tearecords 2 years ago
I see what you did there, but there is a formulae that can figure out the correct answer, but it would have to take every detail of the lottery balls, machine and the environment around it to give out an accurate answer, and the calculations would be beyond human abillity to work out. Basically, it can be done, but the measurements neccessary to figure it out would have to be taken just before and during the lottery draw.
Thefeistycactaur 2 years ago
Unfortunately it can't be done because it is impossible to know every detail, even theoretically. To understand this you would need to read up on Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle. Basically, the science of physics has moved on since Newton and it's now agreed that there are actual limits to what can be measured in any system. We don't live in a clockwork Universe and underlying all processes at the subatomic level are truly random fluctuations.
tearecords 2 years ago
There is a pretty clear explanation of Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle on Wikipedia you might find interesting (the first paragraph)
tearecords 2 years ago
i thank you, now i am even more synical than i once was, but my knowledge of possible (or impossible as the case may be) theories has now increased.
Thefeistycactaur 2 years ago
hey watch my failed backflip it is so funny! comment and rate
Jooph21 2 years ago
...wtf, i dont get it
Jswan500 2 years ago
click the link in the info on the right for a full explanation
tearecords 2 years ago
camera trick.. left hand side of screen was frozen and over layed with still image of balls when numbers came out.... stagehand simple put the balls in... the screen was then unfrozen and the real left hand side was faded in... duh
eleven38 2 years ago 2
But probably not frozen, more likely it was a prerecorded, motion controlled shot so that the video matched precisely.
tearecords 2 years ago
I firmly believe that Magic and wizardry was involved.
Definately.
fuckpixies 2 years ago
Also the moon is made of blue cheese, the sun is pulled by a chariot across the sky and Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Definitely.
tearecords 2 years ago
what is that true? awesome
No1SFCAndy 2 years ago
It's brilliant. Don't believe what they tell you at school, the world is flat!
tearecords 2 years ago
i knew school was a joke all that rubbish science thank for truly opening my eyes
No1SFCAndy 2 years ago
Chat Shit!!!!! He Showed How He Did It Yu Dick!!!
BiiLLYREiiD 2 years ago
Look at 24, then 25 whilst paused. Keep flicking back and forwards, your blind if you dont see it.
MhTutorialz 2 years ago
i guess im blind then
Jswan500 2 years ago
This video proves absolutely nothing. The idea of somebody being able to predict what the numbers that come out of those machines will be is impossible. Something tells me that he and the show's producers knew what the numbers would be right from the start; this amounts to organized cheating.
liquidoxygen0 2 years ago
Click the link in the info on the right and you'll see how it was done without any need for prior knowledge of the numbers. If he really knew what they would be why didn't he reveal them just before the numbers were drawn rather than just after?
tearecords 2 years ago
He wasn't able to by broadcasting law, the BBC wouldn't allow him. Also they weren't comfortable with the stunt if they felt it would benefit him or anyone else in anyway. Channel 4 agreed they'd end his contract with them if he put a ticket on.
Mushman34 2 years ago
There is no broadcasting law that would prevent someone from guessing lottery numbers on TV. The BBC know full well that predicting lottery numbers is just down to luck and the odds are 14 million to 1 against. There is simply no way known to man to alter this without tampering with the machinery which of course the BBC wouldn't allow. It's all just bluff and deception to make you think DB really did predict the numbers correctly. He didn't.
tearecords 2 years ago
type ..."cyriak"...inot you tube...go into his site and look at the first vid in his "recent activity" bit....its all explained in about 30 secs...
DARKnDODGY 2 years ago
This proves nothing, the person who posted this is a twat.
dazady45200 2 years ago
What I posted is meant to show the error that reveals he used a split screen. Have a look at the info on the right - there's a link to a great (short) explanation which shows exactly how he did it. Watch that and then call me a twat if you still don't believe it.
tearecords 2 years ago
I believe the human mind is very powerful so i think theres some truth to his explanation, im not really trusting this video because the balls were in view the whole time and the feed was live so you would have noticed someone switching the balls... i switched to bbc and the feed was the same as the one on derrens TV too
jjaysunn 2 years ago
@jjaysunn: it was a camera trick; one half of the screen was frozen whilst the balls were swapped over.
SackBratch 2 years ago
I also believe the human mind is very powerful, so powerful that it has invented technology to transmit live moving pictures to your home. It has also invented live video effects including the ones used to make this trick work. It's the same technology used in movies to place CGI aliens or spaceships into live action scenes.
tearecords 2 years ago
its pretty stacking all this evidence its a shame, although even if he did fake it he is still highly skilled and intelligent would love to meet him! but at the same time there is no need to do this!
john0r 2 years ago
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john0r 2 years ago
To prove your theory can you post a video of you picking the 5 random number balls and arranging them in numberical order keeping them straight and level as you put them in a rack within the time frame shown? Now that would be a trick worth seeing.
mirrorbus 2 years ago
The person placing the balls can select them from a box (that has all the numbers in order) as they are called on lottery draw. Then they have 24 seconds from the last ball announced to the camera switch to place the balls in order on the rack. There could be two assistants doing this - one handing the correct balls to the other to place. To be safe they'd need to do it in maybe 15 secs and then get off screen - 3 secs per ball which isn't too difficult.
tearecords 2 years ago
Nice find. Maybe the brick wall was chosen in case the cut or fade would mess up due to indirect light or reflection. All the more reason why this is probably how it was done. Good job man.
wltmy 2 years ago
Oops, I just deleted someone's comment by mistake. Sorry to whoever that was - I meant to click reply.
tearecords 2 years ago
Yeah prediction of truley random numbers is impossible, and that's why the machine they use to draw the balls is analogue. Because only in true "lottery" can randomness be achieved. If it was a machine that digitally selected numbers at some point a programmer would have had to tell the machine "what random IS" and then there would be a way to crack that system. This was a trick, but enjoy it for what it is: Entertainment,... :D
GarryTheMonkey 2 years ago
There used to be a bit of mystery........thats all gone now.
dynamite1324354 2 years ago 2
The ball doesn't jump positions, nor was it or its movement distorted. It appears to be a smooth, albeit quick movement.
How exactly would that fit in with a jump or wipe from a frozen to a live feed?
soma00110000 2 years ago
Something like a morph video transition effect could produce what you see. I haven't looked closely at the frames around the transition but I'm 100% certain it's a change from recorded to a live shot.
tearecords 2 years ago
I knew youtube would be flodded by his trick and 15 year olds attempting to explain how he did it.
Shad0wack 2 years ago
I'm a professional video editor and was just curious to work out what he'd done.
tearecords 2 years ago
I don't see it...
Bewiick 2 years ago
I do believe its camera tricks which i am really ashamed of such a great illusionist to do but he knows it was just a camera trick and is testing us so we talk more about it and getting him more views on channel 4. But dont forget people that his 3rd event will be about an undercover spy!!! SO this might be him being undercover in the lottery and wrigging the machine!!!
DEMONATA1995 2 years ago
do you work for channel 4 or just a pathetic suck up
He has let himself down ,gordon brown
arrghgarry 2 years ago
derren brown is a complete mug i dont bellive 1 word of it . Why didnt he show the numbers 2 the 24 people and why is the camera shaking its a joke
Gingerlegs77 2 years ago
haa, weird.
cazloveshaz 2 years ago
not only ball 39 is moving up, but all the balls are moving right.... :-)
doncico1 2 years ago 2
my favourite point about the 'wisdom of crowds' is that if you get 24 people to predict an event with a probablity of 14,000,000 to 1 it with only lower the probablity to 14,000,000 to 24. its the same as buying 24 tickets of different numbers. but then he spoils it by taking an average of their answers, thus making it 14,000,000 to 1 again. haha he should've got 24 tickets, least he would've had a better chance!!!
joeglassfield1 2 years ago
It's actually a clever joke because what he was demonstrating is the stupidity of crowds and he knows it!
tearecords 2 years ago
well thats it. as a maths graduate as soon as he started saying "deep maths" i knew it was a trick. there's lots of studies that support the idea that people in crowds perform worse intellectually than on their own. say what you want about derren, he's very good at understanding the psychology behind misdirection. mostly its just cue suggestions but people fall for it everytime, if we didn't, advertising wouldn't work!!!
joeglassfield1 2 years ago
If you're referring to the coin tosses with the "deep maths" business then you have to bear in mind that they were counting continuously NOT in sets of 3 tosses. THH will ALWAYS come up before HHH unless HHH is the VERY FIRST sequence tossed. It's pretty simple, keep tossing a coin until you get HHH, if you DON'T get it the first time then a T will precede the H's and therefore make THH appear before HHH each time.
soma00110000 2 years ago
well done to you mate, you figured that out. i wasn't refering to that tho ^^
joeglassfield1 2 years ago
derren brown lost a lot of my trust and respect with this farse. his show was basically an hour of bullshit, trying to make the viewer believe it's some sort of number theory work or wisdom in crowds nonsense (which obviously wouldn't be able to predict the lottery anymore than by chance). i'm disappointed he didn't tell the viewer how it was actually done and instead put 2 or 3 stupid theories in their head. he said he was going to show how he did it but he did nothing of the sort.
IgWannA2 2 years ago 3
Couldn't agree more. I have lost a lot of respect for Derren Brown now. To resort to technology and camera tricks is just pathetic. He should be ashamed of himself.
cherbert1701 2 years ago
faggot
RadioRock97 2 years ago
what really gives him away in his video, are his reactions.. if you predicted lottery numbers, you'd probably have them stuck in your head and wouldn't need to write them down from the tv-screen.. and you'd already know you got it right before eagerly waiting for the bonus number which you then discard..
auzivot 2 years ago
what really gives him away in his video, are his reactions.. if you predicted lottery numbers, you'd probably have them stuck in your head and wouldn't need to write them down from the tv-screen.. and you'd already know you got it right before eagerly waiting for the bonus number which you then discard..
auzivot 2 years ago
he wrote them down so he could hold them above the prediction balls. Most people watching wouldn't have remember all of the numbers so he was doing it for their benefit you idiot.
Zeek001 2 years ago
you're the idiot one.. i'm saying if he predicted the numbers before the show, he wouldn't need to look at the screen so much before writing them down on paper.. after the draw he would already know he was right and therefore would be able to write them on the paper without looking at the screen so much..
auzivot 2 years ago
Yes the assistant messed up big-time.
Now will people finally accept that Derren does cheap dirty camera tricks?
Some will still insist he doesn't and he's not like that.
Numpties.
GravityBoy72 2 years ago
Oh, and also, if you watch the full clip, it looks like Derren did in fact notice that the "moving" ball was out of place when he turned them around. He acted a bit taken aback when he pointed to that ball and even (IMO) tried to push it back down for a split second before realizing he shouldn't be doing that. My guess is that an assistant got fired after after this show.
Naturyl 2 years ago
Yeah, ball 39 moves. It's undeniable. I guess this has to be the explanation, since the both of the ones he gave in the "reveal" (automatic writing by 24 people and rigging the lottery) were ludicrous.
Naturyl 2 years ago
I've seen another vid of this, but speeded up it's REALLY noticeable now!
Cheers for this ;-)
LurkingCrassZero 2 years ago
I'm surprised he's resorting to cheap camera tricks like this.
tearecords 2 years ago
Yeah, me to.
Did you see the 'explaination' where he got a group of actors to pretend to be his own mini 'wisdom of the crowd' machine? lol.
The thing with that wisdom of the crowd thing (which does work by the way) is that the crowd is guessing on something tangible that they can see (and therefore have at least some clue) not so with some arbitrary number! The way he applied it was total poo.
LurkingCrassZero 2 years ago
In his defense, I think it is interesting to see it demonstrated how little people know about numbers and how easily they can be duped. I don't think that group were actors but that he played some kind of trick on them too - I only say that because they were very convincing. Maybe he cheated them about the timing and actually did the thing in reverse - ie, the lottery draw happened before the group "picked" the numbers but he showed them the video as if live afterwards.
tearecords 2 years ago
He pretended they couldn't reveal the numbers they'd picked to anyone before the draw which is nonsense because it was only a guess, even if it turned out to be correct. Because of this the group weren't allowed out of the room and I'm sure they had to hand in their mobile phones. Maybe he got their watches too and they didn't know what time it was.
tearecords 2 years ago
That doesnt explain the first 3 times they did it though. 1 number, then 3, then 4 with 2 of them being very close.
I'm not sure yet. I think you should just be open to anything. The numbers, the camera trick or even rigging the machine. The only way we will find out is if he admits the truth or if another group of people do the numbers thing to see what their results are like.
Zeek001 2 years ago
Predicting random numbers is impossible as that's the meaning of random; the specifics can't be predicted only the overall probability can. There are NO exceptions to this unless you believe in psychic phenomena (which Derren says he doesn't.) Tampering with the machines would be a national scandal resulting in EVERYBODY who bought a ticket for that lottery being able to demand their money back and DB would be committing a criminal offense. So it must be camera trickery.
tearecords 2 years ago
But theres no proof that he did rig it. Even if the BBC got the balls and weighed them I doubt they would want to give everyone their money back.
Anyway as I said I'm still open to all 3 possibilities although I do lean towards the camera theory more.
His excuse for not showing the numbers beforehand is bullshit. I mean he only had a guess. The lottery people couldn't do anything about someone guessing the results on TV even if they were correct.
Zeek001 2 years ago
They wouldn't want to give the money back but it would destroy the credibility of the whole lottery and would be a big deal considering the millions of pounds at stake. I would bet my life on it being nothing to do with DB having tampered with the balls. Well, not with those balls. Sorry, it's hard to resist such puns. I agree about the excuse for not showing the numbers - there's no rule that say you can't tell others what numbers you've chosen even if that's on TV.
tearecords 2 years ago
Re: 'That doesnt explain the first 3 times they did it though. 1 number, then 3, then 4 with 2 of them being very close.'
Who were those people?
Who was the guy with the calculator?
You don't know.
Learn to ask more questions Dude.
Personally I think the guy with the calculator was a ringer (struggled with the automatic writing my arze).
GravityBoy72 2 years ago
How do you get 23 people to at random pick ball number one in hope's that the 24th person doesn't pick a number higher than 21.... On this basis the only way to average a number to 1 is for everyone to pick it, there is a very small allowence but the odds of "Wisdom of Crowds" picking ball 1 is near impossible. hence when he did his first test and got three out of the 6 right the lowest three numbers failed.
marksmart1976 2 years ago
That's why they were allowed to pick negative numbers as well.
I'm not defending the whole charade, but the point you picked up on is hardly the most important failure of this "experiment".
Caeternum 2 years ago
very good video. like you say...simples. It's just a shame that the assistant messed it up. I bet you Derren Brown was proper pissed off after the show on Wednesday. As for Friday's show, it was as entertaining as watching paint dry.
ztls6i 2 years ago
Yes, I bet someone got a right bollocking after that. Somehow I wonder if behind that cool exterior is a control freak who can really blow his top.
tearecords 2 years ago
A lot of people referred to it as frozen - this is why I was curious. I don't suppose it matters if it's a frozen shot or in real time. It looked perfect, you couldn't see the joins. And the fake camera judder helped to create the illusion it was one whole image rather than two images put together. Clever stuff.
netgeekishere 2 years ago
Yeah but is the left side like a photo or is it actually pre-recorded tv footage?
netgeekishere 2 years ago
I don't know if the left side is frozen (like a photo) or actually a pre-recorded running in real time shot. I'm not sure if anyone can determine that.
netgeekishere 2 years ago
I should think it's a moving image as a still would be more noticeable but 'm not sure. My understanding of motion control is that you shoot once and record the camera movement which can then be repeated.
tearecords 2 years ago
The left side of the set is not in real time, it's pre-recorded or frozen. This hides the assistant when he/she comes over and put the correct balls in the container. BUT... and it's a big BUT... the assistant didn't put the far left ball right into the container - it's not level with the other balls. This proves it was done with a split screen! The ball hasn't risen - it just gives that impression because the frozen image of the balls were all level but the altered ball is NOT level!
netgeekishere 2 years ago
LOL The ball didn't rise like a balloon. LOL. It's merely in a higher postion than the original frozen shot we see. What happens is when Brown is watching the tv the left side of the screen is fake, it's not in real time. The balls are all level in the fake frozen or pre-recorded image but when the real left side is revealed the far left ball is higher because the assistant didn't put it level with the rest. It didn't rise, merely put back in the wrong position (so it looks like it's risen).
netgeekishere 2 years ago
OK So It Rises What Does That Mean??
HustleNdFlow2k9 2 years ago
It means that there was a switch at that point from pre-recorded video to live on that half of the screen.
tearecords 2 years ago
So they used stop motion to gradually make the ball rise? Seems like a waste of time.
TheHibbleton 2 years ago
Not stop motion but motion control. It's a system for recording camera movements so they can be accurately repeated and is used for CGI in movies. This time it was just used to match the small camera shakes so that people would believe the entire shot was filmed hand held and live.
tearecords 2 years ago
Anyone can see the ball rises. The assistant didn't put it back in line with the other ones. DOH!!!
netgeekishere 2 years ago
Repeat after me..
IF THE BALL IS HIGH YOU KNOW IT'S A LIE!
LOL!
netgeekishere 2 years ago
that's not a ball, that's an egg!
IgWannA2 2 years ago
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netgeekishere 2 years ago
YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!! It's a fact lottery balls contain helium - a lighter than air gas. It's quite common for lottery balls to rise. I have some and they rise all the time. Some even refuse to come down from the ceiling, Damn stubborn things!!
netgeekishere 2 years ago 2
Those aren't lottery balls.
beckyinnam 2 years ago 2
@KEATON459 That would be because of a slow fade. Basically, frozen frames are imposed over each other from one image to the next so as not to be noticeable.
If we didn't have the internet, and some totally fired assistant hadn't cocked that up, then this would be an impressive trick.
Unfortunately, we do, and they did, so I'm sadly feeling extremely let down by tonight's hour of misdirection.
beckyinnam 2 years ago 3
but at some point in the fade wouldnt have 50% of each screen and therefore see two balls?
also the other balls dont move.
MauMauPlate 2 years ago
It's true, they do appear not to move. That's the thing about having entirely white balls, complete with minutely distortive perspex.
If you look at this section of the clip compared to the rest of the ten minute performance, then you can clearly see how really very steady it is, for about 3 seconds where the entire left side of the screen is almost static, for the image to be layered over.
Even watching like this, it's so hard to spot because of the aforementioned visual tricks!
beckyinnam 2 years ago
The change over can be done without a fade as everything in the scene should have been exactly the same in both shots. It's a straight cut which is why the ball jumps from one position to the next but everything else matches. A small error that gave the game away.
tearecords 2 years ago
The ball seems to move over a few frames, though, rather than the sudden jump you'd expect with a split screen trick...
KEATON459 2 years ago
People are stupid.
Some are still saying it's not a camera trick.
It beggars belief.
GravityBoy72 2 years ago 2
OMG!!!
I just watched the show.
That must be the poorest show he's ever done.
That was shockingly bad!
He really thought he was going to get away with a cheap camera trick.
GravityBoy72 2 years ago 2
Derren Brown wrote the numbers on the balls with his mind, or... This is a good trick -a great trick, even- using a motion control camera, split-screen, a nice subtle wipe after the balls are swapped, lots of showmanship while he's writing the numbers down to allow for the final ball be replaced. The 2nd camera in the room was actually a pre-record, to show a hand-held camera shooting Derren. In tonight's show the real camera-2 feed will be shown. It is the *only* way to do this trick!
SimplyPaul 2 years ago
Why are people so thick?
Even in this brillant video they still won't say it's a camera trick.
We have a nation of stupids.
Really, really stupids.
GravityBoy72 2 years ago 5
I know gravityboy what youtube and the age of the Internet has taught us is there is two types of people: dumb fuck sheeple and those of us with IQs above 100
jeystonemusic 2 years ago
Indeed, there are some numbers on the lamp post in the advert, but they don't match the ones from the lottery draw. Not even one of those numbers matches.
jmerhar 2 years ago
the "egg" the far left 1 moves upwards
which means someone is writing on it
lottie5000 2 years ago
ffs the advert weeks ago had the numbers on the lamp post go look if u dont believe me
g739 2 years ago
the were different numbers tho.
MauMauPlate 2 years ago
Some kind of morph transition between the still shot and live video could have been used, which would make it seem as if the ball moves.
I do believe that some kind of camera trickery was involved, probably split screen. If this is indeed the case, I am very disappointed in Derren.
jmerhar 2 years ago
Yeah, wot this guy said. I was thinking the same thing, just spotted your comment ;-)
LurkingCrassZero 2 years ago
yeah i don't get it, i don't see anything
JTX1000 2 years ago
Try moving your eyelids up so you see a bright effect! FFS
alexskylarking 2 years ago
Yeh this video does not explain properly, but if you watch you can see the egg on the left moves!
R0CKY44 2 years ago
egg lol
Colm24e 2 years ago
LMAO What was I thinking off!
R0CKY44 2 years ago
Your close-up seems to show the ball actually moves rather than being a cut between a recorded and live shot. I think you have disproved it with this. Not saying he didn't use video tricks, just that this isn't part of it.
Probably more that the ball moved shortly after someone had placed it on the stand.
newtaste46 2 years ago
It moved slowy because the transition was some kind of morph rather than a quck and sudden switch over, probably to eliminate any slight discrepancies that may occur and would have been more obvious in a qiuick and sudden switch over. Even if the ball anomaly wasn't spotted, the claim that you cannot state your 'prediction' for the lottery numbers before the official numbers is total bollocks.
LurkingCrassZero 2 years ago 2
this sucks, it doesnt explain anything
theFlipJack 2 years ago
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doomed13 2 years ago
Brilliant.
And there are people STILL saying that it's not a camera trick because 'it's not his style'.
I despair!
GravityBoy72 2 years ago 5