The vaccination "debate" (there is no debate)

[bdrasin]

Please vaccinate your kids. Jenny McCarthy doesn't know better than your doctor.

[sweetalker79]

@bdrasin

"Mommy" =/= phD

"tits" =/= brains

[temtes]

with that said, I have 1 fully vaccinated child, and 1 un-vaccinated child....my vaccinated child has many medical problems....my un-vaccinated child is so healthy she shines, after much investigation into families that have followed the same general plan on things, those families to are observing the exact same thing. Why!? where being lied to about the safety of our vaccines. And thats coming from a pro vaccinator...wtf is going on here? what is wrong with this picture? -_-

[Salisya]

This is sad and tragic. yet when it comes to the vaccines. More get injured and killed from them.

NO ONE is held responsible for causing my child slight brain damage. Which happens way more often then this type of thing. Modern practices need to be improved or this stuff will keep happening. It is not the lack of vaccination that is the problem. It is so sad to see how brainwashed the world really is. :(

[temtes]

@Salisya I'm pro vaccine and I 100% agree, the risks far out way the benefits ( if there are any , given our current state of the product known as "the Vaccine")

[temtes]

actually want to know what disturbed me....kids who have a family history of convulsions should not be vaccinated, my doctor, the hospital that my son was born in were fully aware of this, but they still vaccinated. On top of that my son had a slightly high white blood count, due to a immune system reaction to bacteria from out side the womb not long before he was born (supposedly) I remember arguing with the bastards about it. so what happens is, they administer antibiotics. continued --->

[temtes]

@temtes and after that they give him a very controversial jab called " hep B vaccine" ....what is wrong with this picture? you should never ever vaccinate a child / infant that has a compromised immune system! its more likely to disable or kill them either in the short run or the long run then give any benefit to the child/infant...what a f'ing disaster ? this is what our medical system is comprised of....IDIOTS , plain and symbol, there all JAb crazy morons and never consider the childs health

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Every child's death is a tragedy, but vaccines have never prevented any diseases. The belief in vaccination is a form of collective insanity and an organised criminal enterprise dressed up as disease prevention.

[temtes]

@vaccineshurtbabies I concur, after heavy investigation into the Pharmaceutical industry, (which has one if not the worst track record then any other industry) I came to the conclusion that vaccination in its current state, and managed by its current untrustworthy manufacturers is nothing more then a poisonous cocktail designed to cause more ailments for the pharmaceutical industry to profit from. But its so deep , not even the anti vaccinaters could get there head around it all.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

@temtes Thanks temtes - well said!

[giliellthesecond]

The child's fate made me cry, holding my own baby on my lap. Those anti-vaxers should be held responsible for her death. I feel so much for the child and her parents.

[temtes]

@giliellthesecond i think what you said is disgusting.....try not to fall victim to corporate propaganda, we are living in a corpocracy where corporations dominate Government, politics, the medical industry, the Medical schools. Did you know that most education a doctor receives in medical school is mostly provided BY, the pharmaceutical industry? whats wrong with that picture? ok well we have a Profit driven industry teaching our doctors to market there products, that alone should terrify u!

[giliellthesecond]

@temtes The problem is that you have no fucking evidence for what you say. Vaccines are used all over the world, in highly capitalist states like the USA, in more social states like the UK, in the former socialist states, in China, in Iran and Parkistan. Don't you think that uf it were a great conspiracy the MUllahs would have loved to point that out? Or the Chinese government would have demonstratetd that they're the better folks by not poisoning their kids?

[temtes]

@giliellthesecond your not seeing the point are you, lets stop arguing about vaccines and focus on the reputation of one of the most dangerous industries in the world! LOGIC! we are putting our children in the hands of criminals, how many whistle blowers have to come forward before someone as uneducated about the pharmaceutical industry as you wakes up and realizes that if the vaccine manufacturing was manufactured by a more trustworthy source that we might be able to get a much safer vaccine?

[temtes]

@giliellthesecond and also STOP FUCKING SWEARING AT ME, i'm pro vaccine I just want Safer vaccines! and safer Vaccine practices, more screening in hospitals for potential problems that could cause problems with vaccines and the chemicals that they contain...Until vaccines, vaccine practices, screening practices improve, I dont want anything to do with them! so play nice, cause all your arguments are is repetitive propaganda that was birthed by the pharmaceutical industry...use your brain?

[giliellthesecond]

@temtes Cupcake, if I swore at you, you'd know.

So, you're pro vaccines only not in favour of those that we have. It's all a big conspiracy by big pharma, but you cannot explain to me why vaccines are and were used in countries where there is no big pharma.

So, what are the dangers of vaccines, apart from those that are well know, documented and published on every information sheet you get along with your vaccine?

[temtes]

@giliellthesecond Gilie, I didnt see your latest comment, sorry i didnt have auto update selected. the vaccines in other countries without big pharma in them are just sent from the countries with big pharma in them. Anyway, you see the information is manipulated or can be manipulated to there liking, now think holistically....they control our medical industry, they are the primary producers of medical educational content in our medical schools, They are GOD here don't you see? and we are fools

[temtes]

@giliellthesecond btw I do have evidence that the industry is heavy with corporate crime and corruption....and that it is COMMON practice for the industry to try and profit and create products that don't work and cause serious illness...and I think peter rost that pharmaceutical industry whistle blower gave a important incite into the seriousness of highly illegal practices within the industry not just pfizer.

[giliellthesecond]

@temtes

"the vaccines in other countries without big pharma in them are just sent from the countries with big pharma in them. " Simply not true.

Yeah, the pharamceutical industry isn't a nice grandfather. That doesn't invalidate thousands of studies conducted worldwide in different countires with different systems and ideologies on the safety and effectiveness of vaccines . So, do you have concrete evidence or not?

[Blndrfist]

The problem is that most housewives are complete, uneducated idiots. This makes them gullible and naive to superstitions and makes their small, idiot minds pliable by new age anti-vacers. The "Kara Harding" fool is a good example of your typical idiot housewife.

[youtypewriter]

I think the issue here is the parent's reaction to a perceived direct effect on their child's health. It seems to me that many of these parents against vaccinations would have their children experience disease rather than hurt their children by introducing a vaccine, even if the chances of an adverse reaction are smaller than those of acquiring the disease. Mothers, when you hear anecdotal evidence of vaccine reactions, please remember that sometimes life isn't fair to some. It's sad but true.

[TheJagnz]

Immunising your kids has been proven time and time again, at reducing the spread of these diseases, and or the effects of the disease. Are you really wanting to see mass outbreaks and deaths return, as they did in the time of my parents, and Grand Parents. I dont understand how any sane person, could or would, make a decision that could not only have fatal consequences for their child, but for other families as well.

[TheJagnz]

Parents, listen do you restrain your child in a car, if so why. could it stop your child from being a projectile that would result in death, possibly, is it to possibly reduce any injury, in the case of an accident. Is it due to having a law that says all children have to be restrained in a vehicle. Or do you do it because you love and want to protect your child. Car seats restraints dont always prevent injury or death in accidents but in the majority of cases they do, its been proven.

[baf53]

Pertussis is not an effective vaccine in infants - it takes too many shots and by then their airways are large enough. Maybe if the parents had whooping cough as children the mom would have passed immunity onto the infant.

[TheJagnz]

If we allowed naturally occuring immunity as you sugguest from any of these preventable diseases, the possibility arises that Mum might never have lived through an outbreak to actually pass on that immunity. 

[rotcafarg]

North coast hippies.

[azbacnikorange]

"I think doctors believe in vaccination because they were taught to believe in vaccinations. They haven't really done any research on their own." And this stupid cunt has?? Wait....I'm sorry she must've gotten her "research" from the University of Google.

[Kingfillins]

Vaccinating new borne babies, absolutely insane.

[azbacnikorange]

@Kingfillins Why is that?

[Kingfillins]

@azbacnikorange Because a vaccine is a cocktail of disease and this damages the child's natural development. A parent would not stick its baby in a public toilet bowl and expect that this would be good for it.

[rotcafarg]

@Kingfillins Bullshit.

[azbacnikorange]

@Kingfillins Wow! Just wow! Your comment shows that you have absolutely no idea about disease,. immunity, vaccinations, human development, or probably even science in general. I feel embarrassed for you and I think it would be best if you didn't speak in public because I makes you look really bad. I'm dead serious; I am not joking. YOu are ridiculously obtuse and I would feel like I would be making myself more stupid if I were to open up any kind of dialogue with you.

[Kingfillins]

@azbacnikorange With all due respect, I think you are reflecting yourself here.

[WestliFerZul]

@Kingfillins New borns arent vaccinated...The first vaccinations are at 3-6 months

[Kingfillins]

@WestliFerZul 3 months is new born... a baby naturally is building its immunity and should not be poisoned at this time.

[WestliFerZul]

@Kingfillins This "poison" eradicated a disease that killed 500 million people..Not really a poison eh?

[Kingfillins]

@WestliFerZul I am not going to get into a debate about the pros and cons of vaccination. There can be benefits of vaccination, but to vaccinate a new born baby is extreme. Why vaccinate a new born who is not at risk of many of the diseases in the vaccination cocktail? It is far better to build a babies immunity with a proper diet and a good environment.

[azbacnikorange]

@Kingfillins Vaccinating at birth is the only time you can guarantee that a child will get a vaccination. They aren't mandatory in the US.

[Kingfillins]

@azbacnikorange The first vaccination programs began at the very tail end of the natural decline in many of the diseases vaccinated for today. Why was this so? Why where the diseases already in decline? Not because of vaccination. There are serious questions regarding vaccination. You think that their is no reason for an educated and cautions approach to using vaccines? That is dangerous.

Your comment is as emotional ungrounded as the "Anti-Vaccination" camp.

[azbacnikorange]

@Kingfillins This statement was much better than the "toilet" argument. Diseases naturally have cyclical patterns of incidence. I have no idea why but I have some hypotheses. Their are plenty of reasons for a cautious approach to ANY medication we take or produce. However, for some ppl that caution manifests as noncompliance because they want to "wait until all the evidence is in." Rubbish. That is what angers scientists; plenty of studies have been conducted and their NO link to autism.

[Kingfillins]

@azbacnikorange The problem with this issue is the imbalance between parent actual experience with their children pre and post vaccination and the "models" used to study the effects of vaccination. Also the accumulative effects of mercury found from multiple sources (not just in vaccines), but that the toxins in vaccines could tip the scales of the toxicity effecting a child or trigger neurological effects etc. What is needed is a study including and beyond the vaccines etc.

[azbacnikorange]

@Kingfillins I appreciate you using a respectful and thoughtful instead of yelling out incoherent thoughts and curse words. You are a step ahead of your "colleagues." This does not however mean you aren't ignorant. Vaccines have NO ZERO NONE mercury in them. The don't even have thimersol in them. And I'm not sure what "toxins" you are referring to. Toxins is also a vague term, oxygen can technically be called a toxin because it can cause harm to living tissue.

[Kingfillins]

@azbacnikorange Vaccines have excipients. According to the CDC, the following vaccines which are marketed as mercury free, actually do have mercury in them (less than 3mcgs per vaccine, but still there)

DTaP (Tripedia) DTaP/HIB (TriHIBit) DT (Sanofi) Hep B (Engerix-B) Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix) Influenza (Fluarix, Flulaval, Fluvirin and Fluzone brands) Japanese Encephalitis (JE-Vax) Meningococcal (Menomune) DT (Decavac) DT (Massachusetts)

[Kingfillins]

@azbacnikorange  (I mentioned Mercury as you had mentioned Autism, the combo which had all the controversy originally).

[Tiffany4jesus]

IN the US babies are vaccinated for Hep B before they leave the hospital...if parents allow it.

Then a hep b booster and 5 more shots @ 8 weeks.

by 6 months they've had 19 shots!

[boobmcnutt]

Thanks for posting this.

[infidelguy]

Indeed Randall.. it's scary the crap people believe and how their ignorance affects others.

[bencarn1]

yes, I llive with a chid who began to seize as the needle came out and didn't stop for 10 years. He isn't dead but he has massive brain damage.

He is not included in statistics, medical doctors tried hard to not even register this disaster.

[RandallLord]

We have the anti-vax nutters in the USA too. Sadly, the Chiropractic profession is involved as well.