Damn dudes ! Yeah, there is many of "illogical techniques", just as you said, but who cares ! You'r damn quick whith your steel guys, and you hava a fucking good rythm, and some great ideas, this little fight is realy cool to see ! ^^
@11OBlitzO11 Actually, the moves themselves were true to historical longsword techniques; the fight itself, however, was excellently choreographed. My one and only issue is the repeated edge blocking.
You guys have some serious balls. I love martial arts, but there isn't a chance in hell I'd pull off some of the stuff you guys did just out of fear to killing myself or my buddy.
this is awesome! If I'm correct there would preferably be less contact of the blades though. But awesome, I guess if a guy is gonna try and smack you with a sword you're gonna use yours to block or deflect.
Idd there were many techniques holding the blade of a sword. Really nice fight, my only concern is how would that work in an actual show, theres so many throws etc that could be quite dangerous, with the adrenaline pumping up, easy to miss a parry...talking for experience and a broken finger :P
@GuardianofRoin that is one of techniques (mordshlag) the swords werent so sharp there are many techniques involving holdint the blade of the sword..... this was a rly good hit you could land on helmet..... i would say that worse is some parrying with the blade
Very well done gentlemen. True to the actual style of Medieval combat. The avoidances, Hilt strikes, the grapples, clinches, pushes, kicks, and hand strikes, were all spot on!
your form was excellent and the techniques were well informed and well executed, but you could do with playing the weight more. It becomes very obvious that there is no force behind the blows and this is an unecessary let down. You have the skills, learn the acting. Well done.
Well... not bad, but I've seen much better duels. Anyway... average. But real sword fight isn't like this one. And... do it faster. It will look much better trust me.
except that it was all planned out and it wasn't fighting, just acting. But yeah, at least their technique isn't based on what they saw in the movies.
a lot better than many other coreographies. a few really nice tecniches and a really clean execution. these guys know what they where doing even if its a coreography
Vom Parier an war die Klinge ehr stumpf als scharf, ab da an wurde die kling hauscharf, erst an der spitze war sie schneidescharf.
So wurde am stumpfen teil Pariert und man konnte selbst die klinge greifen, um im absoluten Nahkampf die Waffe besser zu führen, sowie zu stechen, hebeln, oder Knaufstöße zu verteilen ( wie ein Gewehr mit Bajonett ). das nennt man "Halbschwert".
Das war aber erst im späten 14 Jh. so. Und dann nur die Klingen beim Blossfechten. Und wie du sagst war es nur beim Halbschwert so, nicht aber beim Bastardschwert oder Anderthalbhänder.
Gute Choreographie, aber als Feedback moecht ich anmerken, dass ihr kurz vor Klingenkontakt nicht immer so stark abbremsen solltet und wie ronanscreed schon sagte erst kurz vor dem Auftreffen abblocken. Und bitte nicht mit gehaltener Klinge abblocken, in echt wuerdet ihr euch die Finger abbschneiden. Ich trainiere und kaempfe teilweise mit scharfen Waffen. Ansonsten sehr schoene Manoever!
Abbremsen beim Treffen ist eine der unrealistischesn Dinge die man tun kann in dem Moment. Ein Hau endet nicht bei der Berührung, sondern wird geschoben oder gezogen, denn das Schwert verletzt durch den Schnitt. Der Coreografie fehlen ein wenig die Tempowechsel und die 'Vorführsicherheit' der Teilnehmer, aber scheint erstmal auf dem richtigen Weg. Schön.
Naja, man muss es aber auch so sehen die Sache des Eigenschutzes außerdem der Schnit etc. komm einfach net weil sie eine kampfszene draus machten und erst zum SCHLUSS der "tod des einen" kam
Und deshalb muß man hauen wie ein Depp? Ich kann jeden gezogenen Hau sauber beim Gegner aufsetzen, solange es nicht unbedingt am Hals oder auf dem Handgelenke ist. Ich kann sogar ziemlich sauber auf den Brustkorb stechen, in einer freien Auseinandersetzung aber nur gegen Leute, bei denen ich weiß, daß sie sich nicht selber die Klinge ins Gesicht drücken. Und ich halte mich nicht für unfaßbar gut. Abgestoppte Haue sind blödsinn. Nur die CB-Fraktion propagiert eine Sicherheit dahinter.
the techniques illistrated here are a great mix of realism and fun. i say if you guys can get that down to high speed it will be quite impressive.
a little not ethough..when doing it fast..make sure the "attacker" begins the exicution of each move first and the "defender" moves econd so it appears as though a real fight is happening.
some movies get that wrong..and its far too obvious because teh blocks are happening before or at the same time the attack is starting.
hmm also wirklich, coreo is ja schön und gut aber nicht wirklich realistisch, ich selbst kämpfe und ganz ehrlich, einige dieser schläge hätte man deutlich besser parrieren können...
Da hast du ja recht. Ist eben nur ein Schaukampf-Coreo-test . Aber man macht ja solche Videos um die Fehler zu sehen und zu beheben, die Finale Aufführung war dann etwas anders.
It's called halfswording folks, it's standard in Renaissance era longsword fencing. Pretty well executed here, i usually hate stage combat but this includes a lot of real HEMA (historical) techniques. Good stuff.
Yes! Way to keep history alive!! You guys should take on some squires, or SOMETHING, and pass this down! Makes me sad, that hardly anybody does this kind of thing anymore.
Pretty cool, especially since you actually employed some techniques from actual historical sources. Relatively practical looking weapons, too. I'd like to see your sources for those edge on edge parries, though.
The historical mauals do not really discuss edge on edge or edge on flat parries, for the old masters it was an non-issue, a nice artickle has been aroud on this subject in the magazine: SPADA
They may not necessarily discuss it in words but if you take a close look at many of their pictures (I.33 for example) it distinctly shows parries being done with the flat. The sword can more easily flex and absorb the impact of the opposing weapon when using the flat to parry and it also aligns the edge to make an immediate counter-cut. Not to mention edge parrying is a quick way to trash a really expensive sword. ;-)
and hit them with the hilt. But this technique requires alot of thought before use as if you rotate to the wronge side or sacrafice the strength of your block to early you can end up getting hit so i advise alot of practice before applyinig it
wow this makes me feel alot better about the unconventional stuff i do in my sword sparring classes
( i spar with samurai swords) because one of the things i do , and i swear i thought of it instinctualy is to use a version of the halbhand technique . Another technique i do that you guys may be interested in is when i get in a lock is to rotate my blade around theirs ( this works best agaist a 2h sword)
I thought it to be common pratice to support your blade (while wielding a 2H) with your hand. Most blades had a sharpened tip and the part that this guy grabs on wasnt sharpened at all. Most damage by sword were stabbing wounds and broken bones after all. (just think of a long battle... the sharpened edge would be gone after a decent number of swings and parrys) aw.. anyway.. im not an expert.. but i remember a good friend of mine telling me this stuff.
hey that was pretty good aye. Just quickly though, would you be more comfortable with a quarterstaff? I'm talkin to the guy who lost- you seemed to hold onto the blade for the majority of the fight, and then held it backwards...why? You could slice your hand open if you parried a heavy blow.
Damn dudes ! Yeah, there is many of "illogical techniques", just as you said, but who cares ! You'r damn quick whith your steel guys, and you hava a fucking good rythm, and some great ideas, this little fight is realy cool to see ! ^^
YorunekoShio 3 months ago
Nice fight. I think the dog was genuinely worried to see master in combat!
blagolishche 4 months ago
Was that a dog whining in the background?
bogns1 4 months ago
Clearly fake ... yet still entertaining.
11OBlitzO11 4 months ago
@11OBlitzO11 Actually, the moves themselves were true to historical longsword techniques; the fight itself, however, was excellently choreographed. My one and only issue is the repeated edge blocking.
ChishioAme 3 months ago
"Alright, we'll call it a draw."
4DPerformance 6 months ago
Love it...! You guys look great :)
jeminiiii 6 months ago
No, they aren't. Probably with a 2 mm broad edge.
CorranOutsider 7 months ago
are those swords sharp?
0790ryan 7 months ago
Very well choreographed. Could have been smoother but still very good job and very good choreography.
DSCFencing 8 months ago
no idea about fencing ...
veselaveverka 8 months ago
nice parry...no power however..
Altiar253 8 months ago
sounds like some 1 stabed a dog b4 filming started
TaylorOnTheMic 10 months ago
Very nice choreography.
grantcarter3 10 months ago
Very nice made
sebassmiel 10 months ago
You guys have some serious balls. I love martial arts, but there isn't a chance in hell I'd pull off some of the stuff you guys did just out of fear to killing myself or my buddy.
Deibodese 10 months ago
just type SVIBOR 2009,part 2 and look some real fights
danijeltomicPFC 11 months ago
aw poor puppy
WayfinderTerra 1 year ago
Poor dog was worried someone would get hurt.
SanFranGirl1982 1 year ago
This is really good, nice fight, i been writing medieval fantasy fiction, and videos like this help much when is i am writing a battle scene.
kamiwoo 1 year ago
teh dog was sort of distracting that is my only criticism
lockbreak12 1 year ago
This is awsome!
SuperSpyrotheDragon 1 year ago
nice
beheritage 1 year ago
this is awesome! If I'm correct there would preferably be less contact of the blades though. But awesome, I guess if a guy is gonna try and smack you with a sword you're gonna use yours to block or deflect.
CrimsonEmpire 1 year ago
Idd there were many techniques holding the blade of a sword. Really nice fight, my only concern is how would that work in an actual show, theres so many throws etc that could be quite dangerous, with the adrenaline pumping up, easy to miss a parry...talking for experience and a broken finger :P
thorrgal 1 year ago
The only issue that I have in this video is at 0:49 where he hold the sword by the blade and uses it as a hammer. Otherwise pretty good.
GuardianofRoin 1 year ago
@GuardianofRoin that is one of techniques (mordshlag) the swords werent so sharp there are many techniques involving holdint the blade of the sword..... this was a rly good hit you could land on helmet..... i would say that worse is some parrying with the blade
kolotiti 1 year ago
@GuardianofRoin This technique is called "Mortschlag".
It is a hisrorische technique in the sword used like an axe to beat a strong attack to the coverage of the Enemy.
Merenorokrockt 1 year ago
warum trägt der eine eigentlich eine Rüstung ?????
CapKecks 1 year ago
Dog is upset leave it home next time.
lebarosky 1 year ago
oh mein gott was ist das für eine scheisse xD
das ist nit tahlhofer und nicht lichtenhauer schwertkampf kunst
Angerkane 1 year ago
Very well done gentlemen. True to the actual style of Medieval combat. The avoidances, Hilt strikes, the grapples, clinches, pushes, kicks, and hand strikes, were all spot on!
onmitsu9 2 years ago 4
Thanks!
TheHolyWenzel 2 years ago
Well coreographed, do i detect a hint of monty python-esque moves there?
Grymbaldknight 2 years ago
Maybe.......
TheHolyWenzel 2 years ago
die armen schwerter ^^ also mit schwertfechten hats nix zu tun aber lustig anzuschauen is es^^
EngaChris 2 years ago
War halt nur ein alter Schaukampf, mit vielen merkwürdigen aktionen.
TheHolyWenzel 2 years ago
Technicaly horrible!
UrielSemptim 2 years ago
your form was excellent and the techniques were well informed and well executed, but you could do with playing the weight more. It becomes very obvious that there is no force behind the blows and this is an unecessary let down. You have the skills, learn the acting. Well done.
TheDumbeKnight 2 years ago
Well... not bad, but I've seen much better duels. Anyway... average. But real sword fight isn't like this one. And... do it faster. It will look much better trust me.
UrielSemptim 2 years ago
:) This is beautifully done
tetsero 2 years ago 5
and doggy is crying =)
theatre )))
RussianDrunkard 2 years ago
ah finally some nice fighting... done looking at geek-os fight all day
OCV7 2 years ago 3
except that it was all planned out and it wasn't fighting, just acting. But yeah, at least their technique isn't based on what they saw in the movies.
MrDmsir 2 years ago
a lot better than many other coreographies. a few really nice tecniches and a really clean execution. these guys know what they where doing even if its a coreography
DicorGuardian 3 years ago
looks like fun.
fisheyman22 3 years ago
ah, alles klar
stoffelmatt 3 years ago
der typ in grün hält das schwert zum teil an der klinge
?...?.......?
stoffelmatt 3 years ago
Richtig, und das hat folgenden Grund:
Das Lange Schwert war nicht voll ausgeschliffen.
Vom Parier an war die Klinge ehr stumpf als scharf, ab da an wurde die kling hauscharf, erst an der spitze war sie schneidescharf.
So wurde am stumpfen teil Pariert und man konnte selbst die klinge greifen, um im absoluten Nahkampf die Waffe besser zu führen, sowie zu stechen, hebeln, oder Knaufstöße zu verteilen ( wie ein Gewehr mit Bajonett ). das nennt man "Halbschwert".
TheHolyWenzel 3 years ago
Das war aber erst im späten 14 Jh. so. Und dann nur die Klingen beim Blossfechten. Und wie du sagst war es nur beim Halbschwert so, nicht aber beim Bastardschwert oder Anderthalbhänder.
BaDDbOiiGangin 2 years ago
diese darbietung der schaukampfkunst gehört wohl zu den besten die ich bisher hier finden konnte ...
weiter so! ..denke wir würden uns alle auch über noch mehr videos froi´n.. ;)
LostInMySelf1 3 years ago 2
I don't want to be the douche but coreographed fights look like nobody is trying to accomplish anything.
BelligerentAuthority 3 years ago
Cool ^^
SharoonX 3 years ago
Gute Choreographie, aber als Feedback moecht ich anmerken, dass ihr kurz vor Klingenkontakt nicht immer so stark abbremsen solltet und wie ronanscreed schon sagte erst kurz vor dem Auftreffen abblocken. Und bitte nicht mit gehaltener Klinge abblocken, in echt wuerdet ihr euch die Finger abbschneiden. Ich trainiere und kaempfe teilweise mit scharfen Waffen. Ansonsten sehr schoene Manoever!
BaDDbOiiGangin 3 years ago
Danke für dein Feeback! ^^
TheHolyWenzel 3 years ago
Abbremsen beim Treffen ist eine der unrealistischesn Dinge die man tun kann in dem Moment. Ein Hau endet nicht bei der Berührung, sondern wird geschoben oder gezogen, denn das Schwert verletzt durch den Schnitt. Der Coreografie fehlen ein wenig die Tempowechsel und die 'Vorführsicherheit' der Teilnehmer, aber scheint erstmal auf dem richtigen Weg. Schön.
Lorgarn 3 years ago
Naja, man muss es aber auch so sehen die Sache des Eigenschutzes außerdem der Schnit etc. komm einfach net weil sie eine kampfszene draus machten und erst zum SCHLUSS der "tod des einen" kam
ScotlandsJan 2 years ago
Und deshalb muß man hauen wie ein Depp? Ich kann jeden gezogenen Hau sauber beim Gegner aufsetzen, solange es nicht unbedingt am Hals oder auf dem Handgelenke ist. Ich kann sogar ziemlich sauber auf den Brustkorb stechen, in einer freien Auseinandersetzung aber nur gegen Leute, bei denen ich weiß, daß sie sich nicht selber die Klinge ins Gesicht drücken. Und ich halte mich nicht für unfaßbar gut. Abgestoppte Haue sind blödsinn. Nur die CB-Fraktion propagiert eine Sicherheit dahinter.
Lorgarn 2 years ago
the techniques illistrated here are a great mix of realism and fun. i say if you guys can get that down to high speed it will be quite impressive.
a little not ethough..when doing it fast..make sure the "attacker" begins the exicution of each move first and the "defender" moves econd so it appears as though a real fight is happening.
some movies get that wrong..and its far too obvious because teh blocks are happening before or at the same time the attack is starting.
ronanscreed 3 years ago
was the dog worried about his owner (one of the fighters?) XD
kardentyrell 3 years ago
Yes, and the Dog was very very nerved.
TheHolyWenzel 3 years ago
Eine echt nette rauferei die ihr da eistudiert habt... gefällt mir! Bin Schaukämpfer seit 20 Jahren und muß sagen.... Top! (aber ausbaufähig) :-)
Grüße
Erik
ErikTributsch 3 years ago
Seit 20 jahren?? Dann wuerdest du es nicht als Top bezeichnen
BaDDbOiiGangin 3 years ago
good job
MonkeyNordsson 4 years ago
hmm also wirklich, coreo is ja schön und gut aber nicht wirklich realistisch, ich selbst kämpfe und ganz ehrlich, einige dieser schläge hätte man deutlich besser parrieren können...
und das entwaffnen am ende... NAJA
100Maggots 4 years ago
Da hast du ja recht. Ist eben nur ein Schaukampf-Coreo-test . Aber man macht ja solche Videos um die Fehler zu sehen und zu beheben, die Finale Aufführung war dann etwas anders.
Nur leider ohne Video.
TheHolyWenzel 4 years ago
Alles Mist, ich sah bessere Choreographien bei Kindern die ihr Holzschwert schwingen.
Kleiner Spass, natuerlich spitze nur gewisse Pausen haettet ihr weglassen sollen macht sich besser auf Videos.
CenrionPrime 4 years ago
Kleine Kinder mit Holzschwertern sind furchtbare Gegner! Die Prügeln wie Wild und du darfst nichts gegen sie tun.
TheHolyWenzel 4 years ago
Fun coreography. I like the way you incorporate historical techniques like halfsword.
JohnRaptor 4 years ago
It's called halfswording folks, it's standard in Renaissance era longsword fencing. Pretty well executed here, i usually hate stage combat but this includes a lot of real HEMA (historical) techniques. Good stuff.
BigDummy23 4 years ago
Bravo! Superb Swordsmanship guys! You guys could very well hit the silver screen
TheDuke1011 5 years ago
Yes! Way to keep history alive!! You guys should take on some squires, or SOMETHING, and pass this down! Makes me sad, that hardly anybody does this kind of thing anymore.
artistinwonderland 5 years ago
Cool Cool and once more Cool, i plan to go in swordfighting too(Greece or Medieval),
lordvivec87 5 years ago
Pretty cool, especially since you actually employed some techniques from actual historical sources. Relatively practical looking weapons, too. I'd like to see your sources for those edge on edge parries, though.
invisinerd 5 years ago
The historical mauals do not really discuss edge on edge or edge on flat parries, for the old masters it was an non-issue, a nice artickle has been aroud on this subject in the magazine: SPADA
merlynknows 5 years ago
They may not necessarily discuss it in words but if you take a close look at many of their pictures (I.33 for example) it distinctly shows parries being done with the flat. The sword can more easily flex and absorb the impact of the opposing weapon when using the flat to parry and it also aligns the edge to make an immediate counter-cut. Not to mention edge parrying is a quick way to trash a really expensive sword. ;-)
SwordAndBuckler 4 years ago
and hit them with the hilt. But this technique requires alot of thought before use as if you rotate to the wronge side or sacrafice the strength of your block to early you can end up getting hit so i advise alot of practice before applyinig it
TheDarkWall 5 years ago
wow this makes me feel alot better about the unconventional stuff i do in my sword sparring classes
( i spar with samurai swords) because one of the things i do , and i swear i thought of it instinctualy is to use a version of the halbhand technique . Another technique i do that you guys may be interested in is when i get in a lock is to rotate my blade around theirs ( this works best agaist a 2h sword)
TheDarkWall 5 years ago
its right,
When i held my sword backward, this is the "Mordhau"
you must see: the sword is not only the Blade.
And when i have my Left hand on the Blade and the right hand on the heft, this is the
"Halbhand" i have the better leverage as my enemy, and my sword is stronger.
Europ.Sword technics are very complex, but there are almost forgotten.
When you think a Samurai have a easy fight against a
Knight,then you think wrong!
TheHolyWenzel 5 years ago
I thought it to be common pratice to support your blade (while wielding a 2H) with your hand. Most blades had a sharpened tip and the part that this guy grabs on wasnt sharpened at all. Most damage by sword were stabbing wounds and broken bones after all. (just think of a long battle... the sharpened edge would be gone after a decent number of swings and parrys) aw.. anyway.. im not an expert.. but i remember a good friend of mine telling me this stuff.
Can somebody confirm this?
lookout101 5 years ago
hey that was pretty good aye. Just quickly though, would you be more comfortable with a quarterstaff? I'm talkin to the guy who lost- you seemed to hold onto the blade for the majority of the fight, and then held it backwards...why? You could slice your hand open if you parried a heavy blow.
ironmanalasdair 5 years ago
What the hell...
all peoples talk about the dog!
you have no idea, this dog was sooooo nervous!
you must see the first combat....
comming soon...
TheHolyWenzel 5 years ago
Nice fight, but I feel sorry for the dog who has to watch the violence =D
LegauIt 5 years ago
cool fight
ChristianBest 5 years ago
nice, do you learn Escrima Swordfight technics?
Traeumeer 5 years ago
Nice, but your scareing the dog. I love the sound of sword play.
DrTzeus 5 years ago