Poi Lesson: Hybrid Wallplane Flower

[AmeniphusX]

Those are clovers, man.

[AmeniphusX]

@AmeniphusX Nevermind. didn't notice they were spinning same direction.

[FireJedi]

Which color of flowtoys you used at this video?

[derekjf85]

@FireJedi I believe those are air.

[FireJedi]

@derekjf85 thx

[kermit368]

ahh i see...i was doin it all wrong, started with poi in butterfly...this is probably one of the best wallplane combinations

[ryantrioxin]

love the vids man. you break it down nice and simple. thanks for the intel.

[Eyeswasdazed]

Compound-antispin hybrid? Ask Alien-Jon.

Ps. You're vid's are great. I've learned a lot over the past year.

[Beema66]

loooks fun....who watches this?

[derekjf85]

@Beema66 1000s of people across the world....since my videos are viral; on many different web sites.

[astronomik]

3 beat in-spin vs anti-spin wall plane flower is what i call them.

[TaoAvatar20]

This is a very clean demo of one of my favorite buzzsaw flower variants. For a challenge, learn to have your hands move in opposites split-time both directions (switch off which one is antispin) and opposites same-time. That way you can start in a normal buzzsaw flower and break it up at each compass point in whatever order you want--the effect of this is really cool to watch!

[PoiMc]

Haha, the names of stuff like this are pretty complex really. I guess you'd call it a wall-plane 2-petal in-spin flower vs 4-petal anti-spin flower hybrid with buzzsaw passes... bit of a mouthful really.

I'm not sure if you'd need to mention the flower's orientation too, as with a lot of moves like this it can be changed around, which really can change the feel and difficulty of the move.

Someone really needs to do some work on the naming conventions, eh? :D

[TaoAvatar20]

I don't know that I'd technically consider this to be a hybrid being as how both hands are using the same driving style (it's not like either is isolating). Calling it simply a variant on a buzzsaw flower I think is sufficient.

[PoiMc]

Really didn't get around to replying to this, but I'm guessing you'd now agree considering your recent post on hybrid theory and symmetry?

[TaoAvatar20]

Yeah, I would consider it a hybrid now...technically it's a "goofy" flower, but that's a subset of polyrhythm hybrids. I would not, however, classify it as two different driving styles. As per my last video on hybrids, I don't believe such a concept actually exists as it's been framed to differentiate between inspin and antispin--these are both just inversions of the exactly same pattern.

[derekjf85]

But isnt inspin and antispin 2 different driving styles?

[PoiMc]

I guess it depends on what you mean by driving style - both hands do technically go round in the same circle, which would be the driving motion, so if you mean what driving motion they have, then no, they have the same driving style.

If however, you mean the actual pattern it makes, then yes, they do have different driving styles. I would personally define it in the latter manner, that way hybrids can be easily defined as a pattern with two driving styles.

[PoiMc]

This would also fit in nicely with Drex's hybrid symmetry theory - each hand is using a different driving style, two different driving styles won't have rotaional symmetry with eachother, therefore hybridiness.

[freedomcaller]

alien jon has a video on it, there are 4 variations of this, becuas there are 2 directions, and each direction can have either hand do wither flower. but i prefer to do the oposites version of this where you spin oposites and your hands to regular buzzsaw patterm :D

[isolatedfire]

so sick im glad i just stumbled across this. im gonna try and learn it

[xXxSkateboardMxXx]

i think these are called goofy flowers, where the poi are going in the same direction but your arms are going butterfly, or vice versa

[derekjf85]

They are considered goofy! But i figured sense the poi are doing 2 different spins they would be hybrid.

[jweezee100]

thats sweet mate, can that also be done vertically so the hand that is not doing anti spin meets the other poi up parts and the down parts?

[derekjf85]

I dont know man! Thats sounds bad ass though! I gotta try that!

[willow2x]

im sure i have a video of me doing it... proberbly in one of my outdoor sessions =/

the kind where you 'push' your arms through eachother, crossing and uncrossing at the top n bottom... hmmm

[shmoofoobean44]

that looks fun! i hope i can get this soon