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  • anyone reading the ticker on this one? wow...

  • that grave looks really expensive to make. it's a very fancy one

  • @lysol5555 Well, keep in mind soldiers (pretty much all national armies) pay for their soldier's grave unless there's some specific request otherwise, like if the family wants them put in the family plot. Soviet Russia at that time was pretty hard-line militaristic and didn't have much moral issue using the soldiers deaths as a propaganda tool of a sort. Look how the Nazi's, who were comparable in militaristic ideology, if not much else, treated the "martyrs" of the Beer Hall Putsch

  • listen to the Russian soldier tell the truth, a system that turns people into drunks, and LIES to the people. pure deception and propaganda.

  • THEM SOLDIERS LOOK DEPRESSED AS HELL

  • interest i learned some stuff

  • @liamelders bitch you're so dumb hahahahaha fucking retard hahahahah captain fag america hahahahaha go fuck a goat, a donkey and justin bieber, bitch!! hahahahahaha and drink their cum fag hahahahahaha every time you make my day with your moronic defence hahahahaha go to afghanistan to be assraped by the mujahadins bitch and the talibans too cocksucker hahahahaha a shame there are no more commies for your coch sucking and cock asspounding satisfaction hahahahahahaha

  • @liamelders hahahahaha damn you¡re a retard hahahahaha are you one of those little bitches that dream marrying justin fucking bieber? or to much skull fucking from your daddy and that's why you are so dumb hahahahaha retard hahahahaha go read a book... and yes, go fuck a goat hahahahahaha and a donkey's schlong if you want too hahahahahaha i love mindfucking you bitch hahahahahaha

  • @liamelders damn you're slow, boy!! I own you now, bitch!! Let it go, kiddo!! Better luck next time, bitch!! You are MENTALLY CHALLENGED and that's it, loser!! Go buy a captain america pijama and look to yourself in the morror... what do you see? A FUCKING RETARD THAT WAS HUMILIATED BY A SUPERIOR MIND HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Again: go fuck a fucking goat, bitch!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm laughing at you and crying at the same time... damn you're slow, boy!! Good look sucking dick in your life! HAHAHAHA

  • What the Soviets did here was not much different from what the US did to Vietnamese civilians during the Vietnam War.

  • @Ermal8711

    It was identical.

  • @liamelders hahahaha sure retards like to turn things upside down hahahaha seems your brain is full of shit. what? now your're running to mommy and daddy to tell someone is picking on you? hahahahahaha pathetic your brain is just missing loser hahahaha and again... go fuck a goat kiddo. ans is YOU not ME you understand? hahahahaha retard

  • @stradhex

    Damm your retarded.

  • @liamelders hahahahaha seems that you lose loser hahahaha drink my cum, bitch!! and stop thinking wars are cool and you are the first avenger, bitch!! red read read and stop being a retard and a pussy and learn that NO country is better than other because we are human beings... well exept you that fuck goats hahahahahaha

  • @liamelders hahahahaha you are mentally challenge, boy!! your bitch, fag, redneck insults are proof hahahahaha go suck your granpas dick, bitch hahahahahaha and i think your are the one without friends. i bet you are jercking off right know while reading this hahahaha sicko hahahaha go fuck a goat hahahaha

  • @liamelders integrity? you speak of integrity you fag piece of shit?! hahaha your mother and sister are whores sucking cock for crack and you are giving rimjobs to strangers so they would be kind enaugh to call you captain america hahaha you are so pathetic with your reasoning that i feel like a bully picking on a retard... shut the fuck up and read more books loser hahahaha

  • @liamelders hahahaha the usa didn't nuke korea because fucking uncle joe had the bomb... you chicken out because well, bullies are cowards anyway hahaha. and is your whore of a mother that sucks by dick every night hahahahaha you know nothing of history and like a parrot repeats the things you've heard hahahaha you do not know how to think. read more books try to travel (epcot center does not count bitch!) know more people from diferent culturs ets. and again... stop playin call of duty bitch.

  • @liamelders you did not nuke korea because you are a bunch of pussies that's why. go stick a nigger cock up your ass motherfucker loser hahahahahaha and stop playing call of duty bitch wars are terrible you piece of uneducated and jingoistic shit hahaha go fuck your mother and leve thinking to other people.

  • @liamelders hahahaha you need balls to nuke a country asshole! and you cannot buy them at your local walmart bitch! shut the fuck up call of duty retard hahaha

  • Haha the news lines on the bottom are a bit ironic to say the least ;)

  • It's funny that CNN made this,bit ironic.

  • great doco

  • Red Army?? They changed the name to the Soviet Army like 30 years before

  • I am an Indian. I love the whole world but hate the Chinese communist regime, the cruel and insane barbaric Pakistanis, The Taliban and Al Qaida Bastards. May lord condemn thses mother@#$%&rs to hell.

  • just goes to show Russian tech is shit..Remember the Afghan loved to butt-f*ck russians.

  • @EuromanMovieReport fuck u and all Afghanistan

  • @EuromanMovieReport the gooks butt fucked you too buddy!!!!!!!!

  • War began when soviets put women in school and wanted equality for the people, so they would get out of poverty.

    exactly the same goals from usa in the past 10 years.

    Suddently soviet union form of government doesnt look so bad now does it lol

  • @Grokh is that why the soviet union failed? and communism always fails?

  • @afg96 the subject is too big to discuss in a small statement. Id say soviet union failed due to corruption and lack of freedom. However if someone is smart then they would see that some ideas from communism are good ones as well as some from capitalism.

    Otherwise we would have everyone working on sweatshops for profits. I think we cant have a global economy without having a standard rule. Countries that treat people like humans and give proper jobs lose to China sweatshop slaves

  • @Grokh That is true, socialism exists in many religious beliefs. I don't like communism or imperialism. Both are bad, both don't work I mean look at U.S right now it is failing just like Rome fail. I believe we should start with another type of political and economic ideology. Interest is not good, it creates slavery, credit cards charge interests, banks charge interests this causes inflation and corruption amongst the corporations. I hate communism since it is even worser. We need something new

  • @afg96 i think right now balanced socialist countries like canada and sweden have it pretty good.

    But tbh even capitalism would work if only the actual rules set for it were actually followed.

    i dont like capitalism or communism either.

    The whole zeitgeist idea is kinda too extreme though feels like a sect right now, If only people would take the good ideas and stick with them but theres always someone trying to get the biggest slice of the cake by creating loopholes

  • @Grokh That is true, I think balanced socialism and capitalism would work. I live in Canada and I think we have it pretty good here. The only problem is that, there are people in the government currently that are trying to destroy that. The political parties now a days changed whether it is a liberal or conservative government, it has changed and is no longer what it used to be. It seems like the whole world is following one agenda now a days. The NWO will not bring peace but they think it will.

  • @Grokh no, you haven't studied this war enough.the communists were attacking Islam in that say youre a women wearing a veil, then you're family is targeted to be killed or persecuted in another severe way. say you want to grow a beard, you're family is targeted to be killed. say if you regularily greet people with the 'asalamoalaikum' then you're family's targeted to be killed, etc. In fact communists in all countries attacked religions.

  • @Grokh there were many other awful things like villages known to be passive to the mujahideen would have many of there women taken and raped. This is why the scholars of islam declared this jihad but not against the americans, because the same things aren't happening now so the same amount of money isnt coming in for the fight this time

  • lol they cut the Russian guy out who said we collect a bunch of children and burned them in the documentary, it was my favorite part

  • taliban was the advanced form of mujhadin and pakistan was pressurized to accept taliban govt. in Pakistan....it was after attack in somalia when US changed their policy ....America started the war to kill Osama he is killed what the logic of this war now...this war and war in US is the biggest embarrassment for American. They fought these wars for oil

  • taliban was the advanced form of mujhadin and pakistan was pressurized to accept taliban govt. in Pakistan....it was after attack in somalia when US changed their policy ....

  • @sokol2110

    fuck u ass hole go you pig we no pig we don't eat pig go eat you shit idiot

  • @alqadiri92 Вы не едите свинину thats сумасшедший, Вы не знаете что ваши без вести пропавшие на

  • @kyrpap1981

    hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh idiot hate your self

  • ...of course, the government turned his parents into alcoholics and him into a drug user, yea right...Ha ha

    There are some people on both sides of the old Iron Curtain that have little else in common but to always blame their government for their own personal failures.

    I only hope there are just as many people (again on both sides) who keep their human dignity and enact proper ethical decisions REGARDLESS of what their government has purportedly done to them :-)))

  • All politicians lie to the people, doesn't matter if they are from the good old USA or mighty Russia , all politicians are full of lies.

  • What fake artificial news! Soviets are not only DEFENDERS, but creators! Defender of the devil and creator of bloodshed!

  • Even the Russian soldiers them selfs are admitting to russia being full of crap in this war.

  • was the guy at 2:07 a russian dude or an afghan dude??

  • so so bad ;D

  • (off topic to everyone elses discussions)

    3:25, is he speaking english or is that russian that sounds english?

    "So so bad, you know, like..."

  • this must have been recorded right after 9/11. captions says L.A. dropped plan to paint hollywood sign red, white & blue.

  • Does anyone know what the song @ 2:30 is called and who sings it?

  • this aired shortly after 9/11 i gather?

  • @tjmick1992 Shortly before, actually. Since one of the people interviewed, Ahmad Shah Masoud, died on Sept. 10, 2001.

  • Why does the americans have to poke their abdnormally large nose into oter people's buissness?

  • "soviet forces are not only defenders but also creators" - best line ever !!

  • @gtsgtsgt hahah yea and gotta love teh forced smile

  • we cant say Russians were bad people just because of an American documentary Russia went there to bring peace

  • @unknown4lifes Yes indeed why people hate Russians they've just wanted to bring peace to civilized people and kinds join schools and teach something new expect ISLAM ! Russia did win the Battle but it didn't win the War ...

  • @valiosubaru Most of the World loves Russia, look at China, Korea, Vietnam, Palestine, Angola, Shouth Africa, Venezuela, Mongolia,Egypt, Zimbabwe and the former Yugoslavia.

  • Respond to this video... that "soviet soldier" was a fool and traitor, too bad HE did not die, I wish his commander shot him.

  • Respond to this video... For every Soviet soldier that died, more than ten "mujahideen" died.

  • @valiosubaru "the war" has become this odd perpetual thing. There is no "war of..." anymore outside of brief names tossed on, the army of a whole bunch of areas, US, Canada, Britain, Russia, seem to lurch blindly around from nation to nation, supplying rebel groups, going over and killing the rebel groups they just supplied, then sliding over the border into other countries entirely. Blowing some things over here up then "declaring victory" over vague concepts and going elsewhere.

  • @unknown4lifes Or more accurately, The Soviets came to help maintain peace, 'cause the Afghan communists were about to lose their grip on it.

  • @LeHuyAnh i agree with you brother russia went to afghanistan for the same purpose USA and allies went there for, i am afghan my self and i remember the days when russian soldiers used to came to our house sometimes lol, that time i was a child they would give my candys lol

  • Russians are terrible people!!!

  • @system0system0 terrible animals

  • @system0system0 actually Russians are lovely people! I can not let the politics of our recent past effect my present or future atleast conceptionally in a negative way! I am an Afghan and if i can have such a sympathetic approoach towards our previous oppressors. My friend then you should let go of any resentment towards a nation that u have misunderstood!

  • I loved how they called it a "Soviet Information film!" It's nothing more than frieking Propaganda. Amazing it's the same thing as in WW2 from every side. Nazi's against the Jews & Communist Russia, American's against the Nazi's but especially the Japanese. Information film makes laugh/choke it's so absurd.

    Thanks for posting. It was interesting.

    Nothing worse than people dying for pointless causes.

  • afghanistan can be improved by turning it into a giant sewage treatment plant or a nuclear waste dump....the people there will never notice 'cause they have allah

  • Alexander the Great- arguably greatest military genius of all time Ghengis Khan-forged largest continuous empire in history British Empire- Largest empire the world has ever known The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics- Superpower. Have all been defeated and driven out of Afghanistan when will people learn? "youve got the watch weve got the time" Afghan saying, thank God Americas not pissing them off and keeping the civilian deathtoll low otheriwse the American body count would be 7000 not 700

  • @MrMagnum786 You can't compare old world armies and new world armies.

    The SU or the USA could just drop a big bomb on them and totally obliterate them without a fight. While old world armies would of HAD to get their hands bloody to achieve victory.

    Bad comparison.

  • @AgrivatedKillah but the fact remains both had to get go in with over 100,000 soldiers, ill give you some stats. there are 132,203 Nato soldiers in afghainstan, in vietnam by 1965 there were 125,000 soldiers a comparabale number. there have been so far 4071 (including contractors) nato deaths in afghanistan meaning 1/32 have been a casualty so far, in vietnam the death toll by the end of 1965 was 2264 a kill rate of 1/55..if obama gives full commitment hes lbj with the mother of all quagmires =)

  • @MrMagnum786 Lol but they're surviving by coincidence, not because those armies weren't strong.

    The armies of today aren't just trying to ethnically clean it.

  • Jesus 2000 soviet troops a year.. a far cry from America's 1,368 casualty over a 9 year span and we bitch.

  • @1989Zachyo dont go talking crap you dont know about, american troops arn't any better.. you say the soviets bombed civilian targets for no reason, thats a load of bullshit, everything that was bombed was due to suspected or known hostile positions, perhaps some places were accidently bombed because of misleading info. but to say that they killed people in cold blood is wrong! don't go making stupid assumptions, if you don't know anything don't say anything, because noone wants to hear your crap

  • @AnalsaurusRex Look, I didn't mean to say that. It was a satirical comment from my side. I didn't know you people would take it literately.

  • Its weird to be seeing a documentary about the Soviets war in Afghanistan and at the same time see a news marquee at the bottom announcing events of the US/coalition war happening there now. Like what Rocafile said, the video also makes me sympathise what Soviet troops put up with in Afghanistan. The US is fucking up the Taliban now, but there will always be a new generation of Islamic fundamentalists who hate America.

  • Afghanistan and N Pakistan is the place where the army of Al Mahdi will come from, and the preparation is already underway. These will be the people who had been persecuted and massacred and who would be the displaced people because of the unrelenting killings, but then, when they will fight and move towards Jeruseleum, to join the Mahdi as, no one would be able to stop them, and they will be on the sides of Jesus when he will kill Dajjal (anti christ, supposedly),that time is not far, it seems

  • I have a very good idea of what games are going on in Afghanistan. It is the destruction of this country and an inhumane and illegal occupation that continues... this is a crime that will bring down all those participants who are involved in this massacre of humanity....

  • The Soviets invaded Afghanistan and destroyed the country.

    The Americans are different: they never kill people in "cold blood", there is only "collateral damage" here and there and talks of making peace with good "Taliban."

  • @1989Zachyo Tell that to the Korean civilians gunned down at the Bridge at No Gun Ri! Or the Vietnamese women who where raped and murdered by US G.I.'s. And lest not forget the mass bombings on Germany and Japan in WW2 including the atomic bomb! America is no different from the Soviets, only difference is they do it with in a tuxedo and giving out free ice cream to everyone. They just deny or cover up anything they did wrong or call it "collateral damage".

  • @CrimsonGuard1992 Look, I didn't mean to say that. It was a satirical comment from my side. I didn't know you people would take it literately.

  • @CrimsonGuard1992 The South Korean troops murdered their own civilians than the US ever did in Korean war. Germany and japan bombed allied civilians so the allies repay them back with a greater scale. It was total war and back then no one gives a shit about civilians. When another nation attack regardless of victims it's an act of war. Plus you should know that south Koreans are thankful for us to help them. Now SK have higest living standard in the whole.

  • @Hperman09 Even though SK thanked US the fact that US keeps on preaching "world peace" " freedom and equality for everyone" and then do this still does not make it right. And yes Germany and Japan bombed allied cities bec they are the "Bad Guys"

  • @CrimsonGuard1992 That's because every country has their own interest no matter what. Wars has many reasons. 

  • this video makes u wanna sympothize with the soviet soldiers in afghanistan

  • totally biased documentary with no truth in it. the real fight was done by the afghans and Pakistan military/mujahideens, and it was only under Pak pressure that US slowly sent some equipment, reluctantly....what a fraud!

  • @salman125 i know. We never armed the Taliban. The West finances the mujahideens and the training was done by Pakistan's military. Yes there are some member from that group joined the Taliban(who formed in 1994) but The Taliban as the former government of AF and the current insurgents did not exist as such in the 80s. The West who armed the mujahideen goes under the name "northern alliance" and they are fighting with NATO. I suggest read Steve toll ghost wars and you get the better picture.

  • @Hperman09 what you're saying is not entirely correct. in Part 2/5 06:30 you see US national security advisor Brzezinski in Pakistan supporting the resistance. This area at the border to afghanistan is one of the taliban's savehavens today. you're right, America supported the mujahideen fighting the russians but like you said in your comment the radical ones of them were future taliban. so in someway the US supported both, their future allies (northern alliance) and their future enemies.

  • @Ch4M4L First off CNN was a very biased network. They tend to twist fact in order to make money. 2nd: The Taliban was created by Pakistan ISI. It's fact. 3rd it was created by Bin Laden along with Al-Qaeda in 1988. First maujdeden and Taliban are very different. 3rd. do you have magic globe what's going on in the future? Get some research instead of watching CNN or Fox news.

  • @Hperman09 haha i was talking about the past and since the taliban were formed in 1994 or 1988 (MAKE A DECISION moron), some of the afghan guys fighting the russians were later to become Taliban --> Got it??? and you don't have to get so pissed off you little dick and btw i'm not watching fox news at all i hate fox. and no matter how bad CNN is, Brzezinski was there doing what i described in my first comment. it's a fact too. find yourself a boyfriend.

  • @Ch4M4L Not all. Some Afghan guys from muajdeheen, some guys from Pakistan, and some guys from SA joined. But fact is lot of former mujdendeen are against the Taliban. The current insurgents we are fighting now does not exist in such 1980s. No i don't like CNN or Fox they tend to twist facts in order to spin truth. NO saying we formed terrorist group is just ignorant.

  • @Hperman09

    Yes you are right. Taliban was created in 1994. i am from a mujahideen background and i hate taliban

  • @gr8muslim why you hate taliban ?

  • @gr8muslim Guess what guys. Osama Bin Laden is officially dead. I thank you all NATO for help.

  • @gr8muslim of cause your do. hate is what muslims do best.

  • @gr8muslim you hate taliban but you love the americans right ??

  • @gr8muslim youre from mujahideen background don't make me laugh your a spammer on youtube that is why you have fake adress , you have no life that is why you go on youtube pretending to be muslim to make fake comments about taliban youre probably a 30 year old american living in his mothers basement .. go get a life

    MAY GOD ASSIST THE MUJAHIDEEN AGAINST IMPERIALIST CAPITALIST SWINES OF AMERICA

  • @Hperman09 But CIA did fund Al Qaeda, didn't they? And Al Qaeda is bigger problem for USA rather than Taliban, isn't it?

  • @Rajbhandari88 go back to SOVIET AFGHAN WAR DOCUMENTARY Part 3/5 and listen to what the person replying to u please.

  • @Hperman09

    Its like saying, we didnt arm Americans, we only gave weapons to people from California.

    In the big picture the west are fighting the same people they helped finance and or gave weapons too.

    The "...we never armed the Taliban..." is a semantically technicality at best.

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  • why was soviet marching in afghan?

  • As an Afghan citizen I have no one to blame but my uneducated and unwise leaders some of whom followed the Russian footsteps and some of whom the American and others and has never thought about the interest of Afghanistan and Afghani people. I certainly do not believe we we will ever have a stable and a peaceful Afghanistan unless we eliminate those old leaders who brought Afghanistan in that circumstance.

  • @maisamsayedi4 In order to achieve piece and harmony first thing we have to do is run these foreign assholes out, then make clear that their is no difference between hazara uzbek tajiki pashtun etc. Together we are stronger than the world. History does not lie

  • И, с каких, это радостей, убитый черножопый с длинными патлами выдан за Советского солдата? 2:25 мудазвоны херовы...

  • As an american myself...we did the dumbest thing...and that was LEAVING after the soviets pulled out...we should not have left...all of this leads to 9/11 etc...if you dont know how than youll have to do some research

  • @burgersforreal Smart of you to realize this after it cost more than 500,000 lives all across the subcontinent.

  • @Saffronwing1 spare me..im not old at the point where i had knowledge about this stuff during the times of the event....

  • @burgersforreal

    fuck yu wid yur 9/11 (4000innocent, a few fire trucks, and two buildings) vs (destroying a whole country, killing many hundered thousand, destablising the whole region) and i forgot what was the made up reason for invading iraq fuckin terrorist......

  • @Dholbajale- I somewhat agree only because the US wants to be the world police instead of worrying and defending home. We stick our noses in other countries asses. War is about interests and money nowadays.

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  • Stupid Reagan and stupid Brzeziński - now we have islamic terrorist all over western Europe - thank you damned americans !

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  • Our central purpose in Afghanistan is to prevent future 9/11s, and this, first and foremost, requires stopping the rise of a new generation of anti-American terrorists, particularly suicide terrorists, the super-predators who can kill large numbers of people.Our best strategy is Off-shore balancing – relying on air, naval, and (drastically reduced number of) rapidly deployable ground forces, combined with training and equipping local groups to oppose the Taliban.

  • Frankly, I've had enough of you. By all means, continue regurgitating State department propaganda.

  • If you guys were smart you'd realize the soviet propaganda is the same as the US, there building schools lol.

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  • If US had let Russia take over Afghanistan, Afghanistan would have been a peaceful place like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan right now. instead of this piece of shit.

  • @iamirshadhussain

    u forgot chechnya

  • @iamirshadhussain well, what you say is sort of true. Russia would of established a stable government in what afghanistan needed. but in my opinion, i would fight for freedom and independence than rather living in a strict, controlled, policed state.

  • @iamirshadhussain , Yes you are 100 percent right!

  • @iamirshadhussain U.S didn't so shit, didn't you listen at the beginning of the video, what the commander of CIA in Afghanistan said? He said "sure we provided them with weapons, but THEY FOUGHT WITH THEIR BLOOD" We are Muslims and no one can defeat us, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are shit countries that is why no country in the world respects those two weak countries.

  • @afg96 yea, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan sucks because there is peace there. you fucking barbarians like killing.

  • @iamirshadhussain yeah i agree but the muslims were the ones who reacted first against communism

  • The USSR knew real evil when it saw it, and it's a tragedy that it wasn't fully able to bring about the positive changes in Afghan society, such as the liberalisation of women, and the attempt to reduce the influence of religion. Alas, the Americans, then critical, are trying to do the same now! Maybe they should have let the Soviets deal with it - they were doing a better job.

  • looks all to familiar hey!!!

  • USA IS AN TRUE TERROR OF OUR PLANT

  • @navinmnrk No most nations are not just the USA.

  • LMAO.the true terror of our"PLANT" too funny.america is great .politicians suck dick.

  • @bioborg9 .politicians r hardcore terror than others

  • Seeing those guys being shot is very strange. Its hard to think its real people who are really losing their lifes. I'm sure I'm not the only one who treats it just like a movie but when you consider that you have just watched someone lose their life, all be it thirty years ago, it makes you think...

  • US troops showing similar signs of post-trauma stress syndrome PTSS like these Soviet troops. Suicides are way up including a recent suicide in Iraq by US Col. Ted Westhusing a former West Point Honor Guard. His suicide note read, "How is honor possible in a war like the one in Iraq?"

    Sound familiar to this Soviet soldier @3:30 above?

  • @AccordGTR no that is because bin laden started bombing the american troops why else would they be in afghanistan

  • @MrFantastickid many things, according to the fbi, he isnt even charged with 9/11,

    Thats not the only reason there in afgqanistan i think thats obvious.

  • @MrFantastickid ur a fuckin dumbass hahahahaha

  • Its funny how that news crawler at 1:14 says that Bush had a 87% approval rating at the time.... how times have changed, I miss the early 2000s.

  • Now the tables have turned around; Afghanistan is a bear trap

  • "In war all humanity suffers"-------King Ashoka 300 B.C. , India.

  • LoL this was released during the war in Afghanistan 2001 :p they just occupied Mazar e Sharif in Balhk

  • oh i love it how they shoot them russkies.it brings back wonderfull memories of how we used to kill young russian men.slauter them like animals.

  • EVERY FUCKING DOG HAS HIS DAY

  • as an american I see the comparitive similarities between the soviets and what is going on now Americas. Every american wake up and watch and learn. starting at 3:45 do you see the similarities?! We need to learn from history.

  • @4SCARECROWS except the massive difference is that america has no interest in controlling the nation. they cant wait to get the fuck out. the soviets on the other hand wanted control of the territory through a puppet state like they had done for most of europe.

  • @AussiePolitics Oh yeah. I glad you made that point.

  • @AussiePolitics You are very wrong here. Americans do want to control Afghanistan. But instead of Communism, they want to install Consumerism regime. They already put that puppet Karzai in charge to take power away from mullahs. Slowly we will see McDonald's and GAP popping on every street in Kabul. To the US, Afghanistan is just another country that will be buying useless american junk in the near future.

    Atleast Communism was meant to bring them out of the dirt and make their lives better.

  • @Arobein what a load of crap. america went into afghanistan because the nutjobs in the taliban were a breeding ground of international terrorists. do you really think that afghanistan was a nice place with those thugs running it? at least the americans werent trying to BAN their religion like the soviets were. and no, communism has ONLY made the lives of the ELITE better. the poor get ground more deeply into the dirt

  • @AussiePolitics You really believe that the US went to Afghanistan to wipe out the terrorists? You must be mad if you do. Taliban was formed by CIA (under a different name) in the 80s to fight soviets. They are paying Taliban from american taxes to destabilize the region and install their own regime.

    Banning their religion was the first step to bringing them out of medieval lifestyle into Communism. Sharia law is even now seen as too harsh and barbaric.

  • @Arobein no, the taliban was not formed by the CIA. the CIA funded everyone defending their country against the soviets. it was pakistan who deliberately funded the nutjobs because they wanted a fundamentalist regime

    of course religious fundamentalism is extreme, however it was the soviets trying to BAN the religion that made so many muslims extreme. any government that tries to tell you what you HAVE to believe and wear is a disgusting totalitarian one at best

  • @AussiePolitics All governments try to control and brainwash their people by various forms of religion or propaganda. And CIA did fund the Taliban knowingly or not it doesn't matter. Taliban train their fighters in ambushing and sabotage based on techniques taught by the CIA agents.

  • @Arobein do you honestly believe the CIA created the religious extremists? of course not, the soviets militarized them by banning the people's religion. of course that kind of repression is going to drive them into the arms of the extremists

  • @AussiePolitics Also, they have Taliban training camps in Pakistan and other countries aswell. How come the US haven't invaded them too? They didn't cause their mission isn't "catching Bin Laden". Terrorists don't come from a single country like Afghanistan or Iraq. And killing thousands of innocent civilians doesn't remove the threat of terrorism. They won't even burn the poppy field that are used to make drugs that supposedly sponsor Taliban. What are you going to say about that?

  • @Arobein they wont burn the poppy fields mate because if they did they would be destroying he income of thousands of farmers and their families and would create such a massive hatred from them that the taliban would have a recruiting bonanza. terrorists may not come from a single place but they do seem to like to live in areas with fundamentalist regimes that support them.

  • @AussiePolitics So what you saying is that it's ok to produce and sell drugs now as long as people are happy? Are you insane? Drugs fund terrorists, so only sensible thing to do is get rid of them and over time the terrorism should decline due to lack of fundings. Or does that not make sense to you? Who cares about massive hatred when their own lives are on the line?

  • @Arobein mate obviously people with more knowledge about the situation have analysed it and know that the benefits of burning the crops are massively outweighed by the hatred that it would create amongst the local people. the only way they are going to win the war is if they are going to win the support of people, and they're not exactly likely to be able to do that if they go driving thousands of farmers and their families into their arms

  • @AussiePolitics In addition to my previous comments - Communism doesn't make "the lives of the ELITE better", that's what Capitalism does. Communism is trying to make the gap between rich and poor as small as possible. Communism would've brought free education, medicine and modernized agriculture to Afghanistan, but instead they are still staying in the dirt.

  • @Arobein actually yes, communism in china, the soviet union etc has not made the lives of the ordinary people better. tens of millions starved in china and the soviet union as collectivist policies were proven again and again to be too incredibly inefficient to provide for a nation's needs. all communism has created is barbarity and repression. capitalism is the ONLY system that has brought millions of people out of poverty. care to name a SINGLE communist nation that was FREE and PROSPEROUS?

  • @AussiePolitics Which nation is capitalist, free and prosperous? Name one. Surely not the US. I've seen documentaries about incredibly poor areas of the US where people, get this, starve to death. Free? Only recently did they make black people equal to the whites, but native americans are still being repressed. And they were Capitalist from the beginning. Do you forget about the slavery in that wonderful Capitalist country? Only difference now is that they try to enslave afghans and iraqis.

  • @Arobein the only nations that have been able to lift millions of ORDINARY people out of the dirt have been capitalist nations. they are the ONLY ones where people were free to express their opinions and elect their leaders. obviously all countries have things they are deeply ashamed of, however you compare the millions of people repressed and starved in the soviet union and other such examples of attempted communism and its no comparison to the capitalist nations

  • @Arobein if you want an indication of which system people think are better look how they vote with their feet. which nations were the ones forced to put up walls and shoot people attempting to flee? if the soviet union was so free and the capitalist nations then why were so many people literally dying to flee there?

  • @AussiePolitics

    The US wants Afghanistan to be a stable, client state and you know it. You're only deluding yourself and others when you pretend that American goals is Afghanistan are somehow more "noble" Different? Yes. More noble? No, they want impose a situation favourable themselves, just like the Russians, which is why they are supporting the drug lords and goons on CIA payroll.

  • @phooey108 the US went into afghanistan because the regime in power was an extremist organisation training terrorists. its that simple. the world is a better place with those bastards gone, but apparently you dont give a shit that they cut the nose and ears off women.