Flash vs JangBi @ Colloseum (Triple Commentary of the Week!)

[iloveisoov]

корейские уебки)))

[thehyphenator]

Step forward to 2011 where Jangbi beats Flash and wins the OSL. What a fucking baller.

[thematthewburke]

@thehyphenator he beat fantasy.

[thehyphenator]

Step forward to 2011 where Jangbi beats Flash and wins the OSL. What a fucking  baller.

[iWearCapeIRL]

turtle heaven terran ftw

[chrisbary]

klaz is annoying

[chriseok]

lol at sign ("Whatever the opponent does, it won't work on *FlaSh*~)

[twitcherzed]

how the hell?

[ttylga]

Hoooly cow..

[jeremyras]

amazing, nice job boys

[Kamikazi101]

I like how it's been almost a year since this game was played, and they had this long post-game analysis on the viability of Arbiters in PvT, and you see now that Arbiters are pretty much standard in late game PvT with High Templar, and for a while, they looked unstoppable until a couple months ago. You've also seen Jangbi in 3 of the most recent Starleague finals while Flash has only seen one Finals since this game was played.

[hcferago]

And now you never hear Jangbi's name mentioned anymore and Flash is the undisputed best player in the world.

[darrens888]

@hcferago nah flashs is garbage

[aZnInVasion2007]

wTF

[dragoons9009]

@ 27.00

"Jangbi's SCVs" lmao

[dragoon414]

HAHAHAHA you guys are the best commentators by far.

[keuleduc]

very very nice analysis

[onlyeightpsi]

USA would be great at SC if players were paid.......

[Icecreamboxman]

lol they are paid if they win tournaments

[kreternal]

He means paid as in a full-time job.

[Icecreamboxman]

oooo

[humourZoNe]

well USA player are payed to play soccer, and they arent that good.

[Balgore8]

Except for Beckham... The world's best player?

Denied.

[humourZoNe]

@Balgore8 Beckham is not from the USA, he's English.

[Balgore8]

Hes from England, but he currently plays in USA and is paid by USA... Which was your (HumourZoNe's) whole arguement...

[humourZoNe]

@Balgore8 my argument was that american players are rubish ... im having a go at americans ;)

[Balgore8]

Lol okay, touche\. Im Canadian, so I support your statement haha!

[OnmyRedEye]

well, its all about the $ and troops. each time jangbi did suicidal recall, despite he took out flash's command centre, he also lost his entire troops without taking out flash's scvs. if u convert those troops into resources, the money jangbi lost > flash stop mining( flahs only needed to rebuild a command centre, his scvs were not lost). plus jangbi spent too much in recall, there is no way he got enough money to keep building his army. So, flash took his perfect opportunity to wipe out jangbi.

[deathlefthandofdevil]

i think ur right and wrong about the map sure its easier to defend but its also easier to recall in ur opponents base like if it was farther away to the expo i think flash woudlbve saved it rather easily >>

[WhiteShark125]

god that yelling commentator is so irritating

[beserkerred]

rofl couldnt comb his hair.... starcraft players are like celebarties they change their hairstyle a lot but ya i was surprised by that one too lol

[YorkeKin]

USA sucks at sc, Idra is the only good one tho

[AznPryde68]

Probably not 600....really good koreans get 300-400 avgapm tops.

NA players get like 270...tops.

[adamisuber]

Good god. Flash is fucking unbelievable, 600 apm, compared to the best north american players who hit 300-350 in their game

[austinsaiiz]

seriously...and to think that he was born 7/5/1992 ... that makes him 15 years old?!?!?! freaking insane ...

great commentary too btw ;]

[adamisuber]

15?! =[ He would whip me so hard that my manliness would be put on the line.

I wonder if the trainers like...shock the players if they lose a unit in practice?...

[Kahouneko]

600!?!??!?

SHIT

[stuntmasta305]

600 apm is a near impossible if you mean peak then yes, but vapm is probably impossible.

[skexinator]

Sorry you're right, 600 peaking during a battle (usually if he thinks he's losing)

His average is something like 250. Suffice it to say, he's always doing something... Always.

[OnmyRedEye]

600...normal male's fingertip reaction time is about 0.178 seconds, which means normal people's limit is about 337 apm.

[SarsPirate]

I think APM is measured per unit also, meaning he isn't clicking 600 times. It's more like he's moving 600 units?

[OnmyRedEye]

no..its action per minute. it has nothing to do with how many units u r moving. u can group 12 units each team, there r 10 number keys on the keyboard, does that mean when u swithing group 1-10 very fast in 1 sec then u r having 7200 APM?? obviously not.

[Icecreamboxman]

not really he groups them so went he selects groups it counts as one action not 12

[mechwarrior13]

most of the apm comes from the left hand on the keyboard. and they do spam a lot too... like keep on switching between production buildings to track reinforcements...

[BenHileday]

Mickey looks pissed this game.. She needs a drink.

[Quincy0047]

wow, that was amazing. Why is half of the video the post-game commentary, though?

[BenHileday]

they like talking about SC

[BladeOfAiur]

Well done, gentleman!

[PieCook]

Those storms his Templar unleashed were just vicious and sweet. Too bad he deprived us of that sight for most of the game.

[Calger]

And the second was a replay.. lol so yes, awesome.

[Calger]

That first game made me soo hard =/

[zzt32]

"And these birds are so damn distracting"

XD

[Sc565645]

um. how do u all come togeter? like combat lives in like canada.. and like do u guys all live in the same area? or usmthing?

[BenHileday]

Ventrilo or some other chat program. They presumably use headphones and a microphone to chat online to eachother. They all also watch the same video at the sametime somehow. I think Mole and Diggity might know eachother forrealz

[Arathorn1973]

The one thing I've not seen mentioned is all the EMPs Flash was throwing around. Keeping the arbiters from doing too much, killing protoss shields (so the units melted that much faster), and greatly limiting the efficacy of Jangbi's forces.

Epic game all around. And great commentaries, guys. Thanks.

[jjiao09]

in case anyone doesn't know why Klaz is "the bird man" its because in one (or maybe more? idk) commentary with diggity, there were a bunch of birds that somehow got into his room's vent...so yeah they were chirping in the background whenever he was talking, haha

[mortalchung]

Lol klaz = birdman now

[RealmEternal]

Terran is imba

[Lysts]

The KTF players' expressions at 16:19 are priceless.

[revelationsz]

agreed, nice find ^^

[zerueldota]

@arthainius "Flash had about 4 tanks overlooking his bases. Any templar that had been dropped woulda died before it could get off any storms."

Dropping them onto the SCV line would have cause the tanks to friendly splash and kill the SCVs. Coupled with a few zealots (dropping them first) it might have worked.

Or just recalling in a large bunch of Dragoons with a couple templars nearby and quickly storming, then using the Goons to focus the CC.

[7r1663rh4ppy]

hahahhahaha, "looks like he hasn't combed his hair in a week"

that's the hairstyle klaz!! korean hairstyle, i would know, i'm korean

[thundasc]

whos the kid for ktf? hes like 8yrs old is he an up-and-comer or a coaches kid..?

[moletrap]

lol, that would be Flash, the best starcraft player in the world

[thundasc]

uh... the other kid :P the one he high-10s at the end and they show him once during the game :P

everyone knows who flash is lol

[MrAndersonmm]

No, he was asking about the like, 7 y/o sitting next to the coach about mid-game. Probably a newb-pro gamer, up-and comer or coaches kid, ya.

[needsmorsleep]

eh, wat happend to jaedong i havent seen any of his games in a while, good commentary

[djYngin]

Nice Nal-rA style hallucination of the arbiters..

Maybe Jangbi should've focused more on taking out the science vessels, so his arbiters would be more useful.

Great commentary, great game! Keep up the bird fight, Klaz!

[beredu666]

kill that bird!!!! how do you sleep?hahahah

amazing game , great comments

[thundasc]

birds sleep when its dark if you have a bird in a cage u can make it shut up by putting a sheet over the cage ;)

[Thappy9]

He had illusions from the HT and i'm 100% positive that his Arbiters would have reached his factories. :) + they would have survived longer in the middle of his base and they could have destroyed some tech buildings too :) Flash was lucky in my oppinion .

[Setekhx]

Lucky? No, Jangbi didnt touch Flashs' army with those recalls. He lost CC's, yea big deal big deal but Flash never lost units so his army got really really big near the end.

[Thappy9]

Exactly, Flash was lucky because Jangbi didn't attack his factories! just think about it! if Flash had lets say.. 2-3 min without factories (no more units pumping) , Jangbi would have had a huge advantage, but he chose to destroy Flash's CC (400 min) at the cost of his goons+arbiters (1350 min and 800 gas ) NOT A WISE DECISION :)

[zerueldota]

@Thappy9 - It's not that easy to take down factories. Terran buildings are strong enough to allow time for their units to come back and defend. I assume you mean recalling to attack the factories and not the SCV lines? True, 20 dragoons may be able to take down a couple. But that's only around a 20% decrease in production for a couple minutes and Flash would no doubt build 4 more to replace them, speeding up production to catch up, effectively making that recall useless in 3 minutes time.

[Thappy9]

The Factories were bunched up, belive me , if he recalled let's say 20 goons (he recalled more) they would have destroyed some tech and probably some factories and that would have ment that for 3 min Jangbi would be macroing units and Flash would be building factories , thus by the time Flash would have his factories back Jangbi would have had a bigger army :) . (We all saw that Flash was just macroing units very slow and then he pushed) .

[Thappy9]

Just figure it out, A protoss must always be 1 base ahead to be equal (economicly speaking) with a terran, Jangbi had 3 bases Flash had 3 bases (Flash ahead 1). Jangbi destroyed 1 base meaning that they were even (economicly) But, Jangbi had No units and Flash had almost all of his units. When he destroyed his other expantion he was only 1 expantion ahead of Flash BUT he had no units and Flash had a lot of units :) .

[Thappy9]

Plus, in TvP you cannot allow the terran to sit and max because when he pushes (as Flash did) you will surely get owned :) . Jangbi wanted to out-macro Flash by Destroying his economy but he didn't pick the right set of units. The Arbiter plus 20 goons are way to expensive for an expantion + lets say 10 scvs (a cc is 400 min and a scv costs 50 min but with mining time lost it's considered to be worth about 75 min so.. Jangbi wasted 1350 minerals and 800 gas for 1150 minerals :) )

[KarmAgith]

Not at all, it also cost the Flash all of the resources that that base would produce in the near future so that would be about 1500 more resources at least.

[killerjitsu]

Amazing... what a come back. thanks for the commentary you guys.

[Kilithaza]

jangbi is positioned at & as protoss :/ hehe typo in description

[Kilithaza]

what birds ?

[dcr3]

Listen around 23-24 minute mark :P

[paladinzdude]

3-1 tanks vs 2 sacrificed armies from protoss, taking bases don't mean a thing if you have no army left.

[wormite]

Birds!! hahaha

[wormite]

Lolz, bird man....

In Chinese culture bird is always related to Male reproduce organ. :)

[anthonysw1]

Is the viewing area smaller? There seems to be more of a black border than I remember in most past videos.

[dcr3]

Agreed. But it does help the resolution without being reduced too small, maybe that's why? *shrug*

[JeremyJT]

yeah wow, great game. Cant really add any strategic analysis on this one cause you guys pretty much covered it all..lol

GG thanks guys great game!

[Finlandzki]

Awesome game, great commentary and analysis.

Keep it up, guys! :)

[danielodunne]

lol cant afford combs!! Hilirious dude haha :D

[sh02hp0869]

Im no terran or protoss player but isent it better to use the stasi field rather then recall most of the time?

[nesquick1256]

to be honest i really thing Jangbi played a bad game, it was his chose of attack, i truly thinks this choice of going fast arbitors was a terrible idea. I feel he would have been much better off just getting a few storm drop in. The Recalls were nice because they kill the command centter but he kill almost no SCVs which was what killed him. Flash was just able to transfer his SCVs and get almost the same minerals.

[nesquick1256]

If Jangbi would have storm dropped he would have done more mineral damage (command center = 400 shit loads of scvs > 400), it would have also cost Flash time in building his scv count up again. it was no surprises to me when Flah won becuase jangbi did not do a good economic harass and his storms (which are his terren destroyer) looked like a D+ on ICCUP. Im not saying he is bad just his choice of strategy was poor

[arthainius]

Think about this for a sec. Your playing TERRAN. And, i am a C+ toss player myself, terran will own storms. Flash had about 4 tanks overlooking his bases. Any templar that had been dropped woulda died before it could get off any storms. So I agree with the commentators that Jangbi lost because of his lower troop count. If he had just left 1 arbiter back to call back his dragoons after a sucessful recall, that might've helped

[arthainius]

Btw, that comment was to Nesquick

[nesquick1256]

yeah that is true about the tank vs high templar but he could have at least incorporated them into his recalls and sniped probes

[arthainius]

And then the templar cost 150 gas each which leaves a lot less for the arbiters. So suiciding 2 temps would be have been the same cost of an arbiter. And the arbiters are what he needed, not just for recall but for stasis in lategame

[nesquick1256]

well im just saying the main target should not have been the Command center but the scvs

[Midvic]

Was this from proleague?

[nesquick1256]

yes

[thecoffinilaidin]

moletrap's commentary style dosnt seem to mix with other's. Klazart's comments are really informative. like worries about Flash burned out. diggnity is also brilliant.

[Paxel911]

I don't agree with you, sure they have different types commentary but that is why is so fun to listen to duel commentary (in this case tripple). Moletrap, Diggity and Klazart keep up the good work

[triplestartriple]

bird brigade^^

[Billy1Kirby]

Amazing game, Amazing commentaries, thanks guys!

[d07a]

bascially jangbi was losing about 1400 minerals per recall, flash lost 400 per recall? =[

[EZTargetsor]

+ minerals for turrets scv's refineries and miningtime =)

[d07a]

big wow. he was going oov macro build anyway, soon as he max's and jangbis army is half depleted he can just push, if jangbi hadmore templar in main army i think he could of stoppedflashs push, jangbis storms are legendary

[piripitok]

please where can i vote vor more trippel commentarys ????

i really wanna give my vvote fore more of the good stuff ....

or am i too selfish ?

[Xhey88X]

Look in the info of this game to find where to vote

[cagatenen]

Wow Jangbi was near perfect in that game, too bad Terran is a bit imba in this map.

[justalocalhero]

it was like royce gracey... absolutely ridiculous game. amazing comentary. It was a virtually perfect strategy from jangbi--can flash be beaten?

[jjay75]

Geez...a 3-2 Terran at 13 minutes, thats crazy.

[YTsr]

I really really enjoy you three guys commentating =)

Thanks A LOT!

[toshzpelta]

i feel like i just watched 2 super computers play starcraft :|

when jangbi smiled after he recalled he looked like an android or something!

no way a human can be that good at starcraft

-_-

[gazhill89]

Flash is the Rocky of Starcraft. Gets the crap beaten out of him but keeps on pushing forward to take the match.

[tejntanga]

Amazing game, awesome comeback and outstanding commentary by the pioneers of english commentaries. Thanks so much for this guys, I couldn't ask for more!

[Thappy9]

If Jangbi had recalled over Flash's factories and stopped him making any more tanks.. (we've seen Bisu doing this, i can't remember against who, but he did it and it was succesful :) ) he would have won. GG Flash

[petivagyoken]

What more can a StarCraft fan ask for? :)

Unbelievable game. Thanks guys!

[KSCIAA]

@ 16:19. Priceless.

[ZkilfinG2]

wow, I'm at a lack of words, this was just breathtaking

[TheAcesniper]

what does Osl stand for?

[sodoomia]

ongamenet starleague

[Yessj]

JESUS CHRIST 47 minutes!

[kakisama]

i c 2 tanks .. dont know what "1" tank u were talkling about ..

[fellfraid]

It wasn't really a comeback. Flash had his army before jangbi took out those expansions and jangbi kept losing all the units he produced. There wasn't a minute where jangbi had a superior ground force and that made the difference.

[Forbiddian12098]

Ten goons + Arbiter = 1350 min, 850 gas. It's a lot to trade for a CC.

Flash also had a much better harass. He stopped the mining at a lot of bases, killed a lot of probes. Jangbi kinda went in and traded his whole army for CCs over and over. It's basically like he just stopped mining for a minute at a base. Didn't kill many SCVs, and Flash just popped the CC back down.

[eddiejhong]

i agree. i thought jangbi was the one being overconfident, throwing all his armies just to kill the command centers.

[tallerthanyou]

Moletrap needs less interrupt.

[urnana]

Omg Klazart you're so funny sometimes.

Klaz: I think ktf is short on cash, i dont think they can afford combs cause it looks like flash hasn't combed his hair for like a week. LOOL XD

[EveryoneAndTheirMom8]

Is there a coding error? I know the second half is a repeat...

Btw- whos the kid? he looks like hes <12 and hes playing starcraft!?!?!

[MKChosen13]

LMAO @ Klazart being Birdman. I vote for Klaz to keep the birds haha

[Sushiiiiiiiiiiiii]

deffinitely best SC game this year

[wormspwn]

Not just yet. There's still more than half a year yet. Most probably at the very least in the top five though. :D

[number1inrs]

needs to build reavers and recal them at mineral line it would be fucking ownage i posted this at 20min in vid just in case if he does after

[hath995]

Amazing game! I like Flash and want to see him continue to dominate. However, Jangbi is a pretty fun player to watch. His storms are just perfect. I want to see more from both these guys! The commentators are pretty awesome also.

[pnoadct05]

i cant hear because of the chirpings

[koreankid1337]

well i dont think flash was ever in a huge pinch... even though he lost a lot of cc, he always had another going and most importantly, he did not lose scvs.

[CommanderZerg]

lol what? it's the same game twice I didn't see that coming rofl

[MKChosen13]

lol at them bming eachother before the game, just like good ol bnet :-) gotta type for a bit before ya play

[napkin16]

lmao brad just lmao

[superadf]

Great game and great commentary.

And yes, I could hear those annoying birds!

[Ougagagoubou]

It was a great game, eventhough video length got me completely fooled. But I don't think it was that amazing how the winner won it, since he never really lost a full unit group, while the constantly harrassing party kept losing like 12 units per base, not doing much other harm than getting the expansion down.

Anyway very good game & commentary

[bobhoward62]

absolutely amazing

Some things you missed is that jangbi actually didn't lose his nexus from that single tank. Flash dropped a tank and I think 4 vultures as well at the same time. The vultures harassed, and the tank was left in the end. Jangbi couldve sent his probes as they were still alive, but that was a fault he made. Even so he did not lose his expansion from that

[onlyinjuly]

beautiful comeback

[paratrooper123]

that was ridiculous...

[kuja900]

you talk of S class terrans and dont mention mind who is the one who beat bisu for the msl gold?

[wormspwn]

Absolutely awesome. "I my god I wish these birds would shut up." Lol. Flash is still the Masta. Can't wait till Flash vs Jaedong again.

[Tempestone]

What league is this?

[Ougagagoubou]

47min "cotw" between these two should be pretty special idd

[SorbetTheMoogle]

Can't wait for this gigant of a video to load :)