your theory sounds arguable, but just cuz people havnt seen something or have proof of something doesnt mean they dont exist...there is alot of shit we cannot see that exist......
As I was saying--Keep up the good work, here's another absurdity man--Why do Christians grieve when a fellow loved one dies and goes to heaven--I'm baffled by that one too. Just noticed, this thread is 2 years old...but actually it is a perrenial argument.
"Why do Christians grieve when a fellow loved one dies and goes to heaven" I realize this is an old comment but I thought I'd respond. We Christians greive for our own loss, not for the deceased Christian.
Alright you Masonic, Reptilian, Christian hating #*!!! No, just kidding. Noel, I just watched you here for the first time and I like you man! Your argument is very sound and intelligent, and darkly humorous. A voice of reason in an insane society of programmed robots who continue to mindlessly follow tradition. . I live here in Georgia, USA--the South, the Bible Belt and I can tell you that I have seem many instances where children of fundamentalist parents reject their conditioning. I'm
This is nothing more than a variant of Pascal's wager. Christianity is 100% fraud. And the use of hell threat fear tactics are especially sick and disgusting. It takes a special kind of deluded asshole to use them on children.
One little ironic twist---if the Moslems are right, then Christians are going to Islamic hell. You see the threats don't stop just because you are Christian. All religions are a gamble.
As a youth I grew up as a believing protestant but even that never stopped the hell threats because they were used on me by my Catholic friends (because I wasn't Catholic). Their parents wouldn't dare say such a thing but I knew this was where it came from. Kids are just more candid and honest.
And while I agree--there is genuine logic to not having children (for the reasons you mentioned) if you are a hell believer it never stopped my Catholic neighbors from having large families.
I must admit, I checked out your channel and the comment didn't really seem to fit with what I saw their. I also tend to get a bit shirty with comments along the lines of 'this video/your arguments are shit' that do not elaborate or go on to explain what it is they take issue with.
I'm doing a video on the soul soon and one of the factors i will be looking at is exactly what could the soul actually consist of once stripped of the functions we know our brain contains already (personality, memory etc) and which, ofc, need to be stripped out anyway to make heaven bearable with the kinds of knowledge you allude to there.
If they really believed what they say they do, this would be true Noel. However christian actions rarely line up with supposed christian beliefs. As Gorilla said a few posts below me, it's repeatedly stated in the new testament that christians are required by Jesus to sell all of their possessions and give the money to the poor. I've never seen a single one do this. There's no big mystery as to why, they only SAY that believe the bible to fit in socially, they don't really believe a word.
"i said i just consider myself Christian that doesn't mean you follow an organized religion"
So you decided what xtian is and defined it yourself with no evidence its true.
"idk for sure if none are correct"
So maybe one of the religions that existed before your gods failed first attempt are the right one? Or just didnt do anything for a few hundred thousand years?
i said i just consider myself Christian .... that doesn't mean you follow an organized religion...... idk for sure if none are correct but like with anything it's hard to trust people in high power
"i said i just consider myself Christian that doesn't mean you follow an organized religion"
So you decided what xtian is and defined it yourself with no evidence its true.
"idk for sure if none are correct"
So maybe one of the religions that existed before your gods failed first attempt are the right one? Or just didnt do anything for a few hundred thousand years?
ummm i'm not working .... being on the computer for this is not work
and the Bible has many contradictions you can't live by the old testament completely.... its like Amendments to the Constitution ... there are contradictions
Jesus was mentioned outside the Bible from people who ddnt even believe he was the Messiah.... for example Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius........ and even in the Koran
"Jesus was mentioned outside the Bible from people who ddnt even believe he was the Messiah.... for example Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius........ and even in the Koran"
All writen by people who where not even until after 34 ad, and definately did not met him.
I just wrote about the easter bunny book, therefore easter bunny is real because I wrote about it!
thats what you claim! Doesnt prove it, as I say no records, no independed wriottings only copy of the bible!
anyways the the Bible itself is a collection of stories..... not everyone got together at one point and decided to write it.... its a collection of scriptures and writings
I just wanted to say it's a pleasure to host this long running debate you are both having, even though I long lost any concept of what you are both on about hehe :))
some stories may not be true... as in that they didn't happen although the their is truth in what the story is saying
so if ur saying have some stories not actually happened... then yea i suppose
alot of it happened for real tho, atleast i believe.. such as carridges being found at the bottom of the Red Sea is a good reason to believe the Moses and Isrealites story really happened
there's been other findings... like Mt. Sinai having a blackened top... like in the Bible where it says God threw fire on it... and finding artifacts of what is believed to be from Saddam and Gomorrah
If I told you that IF you had a child there wass a 20% chance it would grow up to become the next Hitler or Stalin would you take the risk?
well, one individual suffers more in hell (over the infinitude of time) than BOTH those dictators inflicted on humanity put together.
Statistically there is a good chance your child will reject your faith whatever you do; statistically you are risking your progeny suffering for eternity.
if you told me? how would you know, how could you know any percentage of the chance of a child that i don't have's eternity or what they will become in life
how do you know there is a good chance of my child rejecting my faith..... there is a chance but how do you know if its good, bad, etc...
i don't think that is a valid argument... cus how could any person know just what the chances r of your child becoming the next Hitler.. especially when you don't even have one
They don't but statistically we could calculate, based on statistical data we could collect (if not already collected elsewhere), the probability that for someone of your socio-economic group and geographical location that your child would abandon the belief of the parent.
This is just the same as you could tell me what my potential childs chance of being run over by a bus is using statistics in the same way.
Let me tell you that if I knew there was even the slightest chance my child would be run over by a bus, if i also knew that it's suffering would not go on for days or months (as it would with a road accident) but for an unending eternity I would not take the risk of potentially causing so much suffering.
well if i ddnt have a child(and i dont have one)... i certainly wouldnt stop myself from having one just because i fear he/she may be run over by a bus
but there is always a chance of someone being run over by bus.... so you don't want children?
i know you obv dont believe they even rly have a chance of suffering for eternity but lets use the bus for example then
there is a chance anyone could get hit by one... so ur not gonna have kids because of this?
There is a small chance my child could be run over by a bus. If this happens it could cause a fair degree of pain and suffering to my child and could cause their death. I regard this as a risk worth taking given the low probability of it occuring and finite nature of the suffering should the worst happen. If the bus collision was, instead, going to cause my child to suffer for unending billions of years then I would definitely reevaluate and not take the risk.......
....so the difference would not be one of probability of occurence but of the severity of the potential outcome.
The suffering of every child on earth who has ever been hit by a vehicle all added together is still less than the suffering of ONE child in an eternal hell.can you not see how we are talking about totally different scales of risk here?
but the child also has a chance at eternal happiness which i think is worth it and that i shouldnt be afraid to reproduce because of that fear/risk
.. i'd hope i wouldnt of did anything wrong that would lead my child away from my faith but that's his decision not mine if he chooses another faith... i'm pretty sure once their old enough to think for themselves that God wouldnt hold it against you... unless maybe i did do something wrong.... but anyways valid point
your very welcome lol ...... sorry about the looong debate with gorilla199uncensored... the debate has spinned all over the place... althought u gained many text comments lol .... idk when it will end... maybe soon, i think its winding down
y wouldn't anyone be happy about someone going to Heaven?
i don't think i'm risking my child's eternity by having the child... but ya there is always a chance he/she may end up in eternal torture.. and i'll i can do is do my best to present Christianity to them... i will not refuse to have a child out of the fear that they may end up in eternal torture...
we all have the chance of going to hell... until you hit the age of reason you can't put yourself at risk of hell
to insist that its my fault that my child has the chance of going to hell is really silly... its not my fault... although there is a risk of them developing into an immoral person as they grow up.. but that would be up to them... unless i was a bad parent i would have a part in it
so yea there's is a risk and this is true but how does that mean i dont believe in my own religion?
ofcourse a Christian tries to do their best to be a good person
but people aren't perfect so not every believer always leads a christlike life and therefore worry a bit about their eternity but one can always change their life around
i dont believe you have to be Catholic to enter Heaven
i consider myself a Christian because i believe in God and Jesus Christ ... but i don't really want to label myself with any denomination... i see different things i like... i dnt think any denomination is really that perfect.... think for yourself...
"Then again if you read what the bible says nobody is going to heaven!"
??????????
I'm not so sure if it is or isn't, but whether it happened or not is really irrelevant to whether or not God exists, besides not every story in the Bible is literal .... and i dont think so and that could of just been a misinterpretation... and maybe so you gotta be a little optimistic
no all i'm saying is that it can't always been taken literal
why aline myself with this certain view i have ..... well why are you atheist?.... its just the way i see things and what i believe... same in your case.. i think people sometimes have personal experiences that may lead them to one faith or the other or lack there of
Ok so if big boat rides for animals etc is a made up story with all the others.
What else in their is a story?
Zombie coming back to life after he sacrafied himself to himself to PAY himself for the sins people do because he created people knowing they would sin?
Maybe thats not quite what happened either!
Why am I atheist?
I dare you to truthfully supply the answer....
WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE THE 10,000's OF OTHER GOD ARE NOT REAL?
none of the others seemed as appealing and/or trustworthy
i just choose to believe in the Judeo-Christian God and Jesus.. if you ask me why i choose that God we'll i could give you an answer but i myself don't have any strong/solid proof because ofcourse we know Christianity is for a large part faith based
well mostly from personal experiences(not that God has appeared to me or anything but i feel like his guidance is present in my life) and i believe Jesus was a real person and that his story is true.... that much i believe strongly
How about employing disturbed teenagers from any country and have them take their father's firearms and give them a mission from Beelzebub.
Suicide Shooters.
Works for the muslims.
Tell 'em that they'll go straight to Old Nick's permanent disco, Valhalla Beat, where there's a wet T-shirt contest every five minutes ... oooh! My imagination is bubbling over.
Try getting a sense of humour transplant. It would serve you well. Ridicule via satire is a very useful tool to trash the idiotic extremists that are a virus infecting humanity these days but it is wasted on those too dense to recognise it.
Just continue being a good guy and we'll leave you alone in your protective cocoon.
If I though for one minute that a comment made on this thread was from someone who genuinely wanted theists wiped out (as opposed to theism) I wouldn't have let it go unchecked.
I'm sure the posters comments were jockular in nature; a wry comment based on the stated mindset of many people who do commit atrocities in the name of their faith.
This is AMAZINGLY funny. I'm not sure if anyone else has commented about this, but what you're saying flies in the face of christian belief! First, God COMMANDED "Go forth and Multiply". Second it's a sin to use ANY form of contraception. LOL you people make me laugh, you have no idea what your religion stands for and yet blindly follow it! Unless you're an atheist trying to stop any more brainwashed kids from entering the world? lol which is a good thing!
i'm not claiming anyone is not a genuine Christian but there out there... there all kinds of ppl out there... just because you believe in God that doesn't make you a Christ like person
well it was never proven... ... like i said it was proven he did or didn't ....
i'm not defending any particular book at this point ... i'm talking about how just because u call urself Christian.. that doesnt mean u have Christlike traits .......and since u talking about the Bible.... there are many contradictions in it... just like say the constitution and its amendments.. some amendments repeal others but there r sill in the fine print....so, when it comes to Christians, no matter what denomination, the same is believed by all on what will/can get u in Heaven or Hell....
confession to God whether it be directly or through a priest(catholic) ... they all believe in confessing to God.... anyways Catholics do believe you can be Protestant for example and make it into Heaven
Catholics do not say that .... you are so wrong.... Catholics don't believe for example if your Protestant that you will go to hell.... Catholics believe it's very likely for them to go to Heaven..... idk what THE CHURCH said... but Catholics don't believe that for one minute
to tell u the truth i don't know which comment your referring to cus i left so many on this dudes page arguing with a guy... so if you could please tell me that would help
but to simply answer the question i'ma just through personal experience... i think personal experiences draw ppl to their faiths or the lack of faith
Now all the people that pray to your god (because they are genuine xtians) how should their survial compare to people (who have the same type of cancer, in the same place, at the same severity) but dont pray to any god?
"actually it has not been proven that praying doesn't work.... how can you prove that doesn't work........ "
Well you look at the results of cancer survial(One survey proves it, but there have bneen over a dozen doing the same)
Now all the people that pray to your god (because they are genuine xtians) how should their survial compare to people (who have the same type of cancer, in the same place, at the same severity) but dont pray to any god?
by "follow" the lord i mean that i will tell other people that they are wrong and will burn in hell because they don't conform to MY beliefs on what god is. basically i am saying that i will be using the lord as a shield to avoid any personal responsibility for my actions. after all we are all sinners right?
they couldnt get into Heaven so God sent his only son to die for us so we may enter into Heaven...... u should know the story
no, every Christian knows to get into Heaven you must follow and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, no matter what denomination you are..... denominations dont argue about that
ummmm, no i haven't rly heard much of that other denominations won't make it to Heaven... i don't recall anyone saying they wouldn't get into Heaven, idk if that's the case though, i'm not an expert on every denomination
The catholics know your going to burning in hell for eternity with me. So do many other denominations, other denominations just know you made the wrong choice and wont be rewarded.
Jsut like your sure about xtianity, theres many other denominations that are sure you will burn for being the wrong denomination.
Catholics don't think other denominations are going to burn in hell.... i was raised in a catholic house... but i consider myself Christian.... the differences between denominations comes with what part of the Bible they focus on more.... i consider myself Christian because somethings i like the Catholic church better but in other ways i like the Protestant church better.... i cant speak for those who are running the whole show...... but the everyday ppl.... dont think the other is going to hell
"Catholics don't think other denominations are going to burn in hell.... "
Not all of them maybe, which is in direct contradiction to what their religion say! good old xtians ignoring what they KNOZW id true from god, to make things lss offensive.
"i like the Protestant church better"
You like the changes they made to xtianity! A version of the religiopn created a long tme after the real version.
not all changes... just some because some didn't seem right to begin with
by other i meant.... other denominations.... we'll like u said i guess only some feel that way..... we'll atleast not major denominations theres prob some really distorted ones out there
"y other i meant.... other denominations.... we'll like u said i guess only some feel that way..... we'll atleast not major denominations "
catholics say all others burn (oofical church standing)
Baptists, king henry the 8thers alot of them think other denominations will burn, alot of them even m,ore against mormons,witnesses etc.
Why is that because all the different denominations have very different ideas, and uit even varies within the same church what people think xtianity is.
lol not all... like i said i can't speak for the higer-ups .... but i know the everday man doesn't think that way....... and Mormonism is different from any Christian denomination.... idk too much about the church of latter day saints but if ppl follow original Mormon beliefs then they are wrong
YEs is your sinner with un confessed sin you burn (you must confess toget into Heaven) Thats why they have one after they die!
I have to laught when the priet does it for suiciders (who are not allowed in) totally contradiction of their own wbeliegfs, well thats what all religions are about isnt it
"original Mormon beliefs then they are wrong "
Only because theirs is different and you think yours is right, the same for every denomination
"this is true for everyone..... you think your right just as much as i do..... i'm assuming "
Im not the one claiming one out of tens of gods is the real one, because you feel it is, the same reason every one else knows their god is real and yours is not!
"i know what your trying to say but you believe there is no God just as much as i believe my one out of tens of gods is the real one.... get it? "
Your biased for you one god out of the many is obvious. You claim its the real one (Without any evidence) as do all the others people of different religions
I just say want me to think santa is real show me proof, want to claim your god is real show some proof.
Its proven praying does not work for any religion!
ok that argument about santa clauses and pink unicorns is way over blown........ i know what your trying to say but its not the same..... some might even find it offensive
actually it has not been proven that praying doesn't work.... how can you prove that doesn't work........ and for your piece of mind ... yes the same way you can't prove spaghetti monsters dont live on the dark side of the moon.... look the fact of the matter is that you think your right and i think i'm right
yea the same way you pretend that God doesn't exist.... see my point yet
ummm actually science helps prove God's existence ... the only thing science really has done has made some Scripture seem like they have flaws.. but still not proven..
and look.... science can be used to support either argument that God exists or God doesn't exist..... dont act like science is some tool just to prove God doesn't exist..... science isnt there for that ..... theres plenty of ways it points to God existing.... and ways it points to it not..... so stop making it a one way argument.... your making science out to be a god, like it has all the answers or something
Well you look at the results of cancer survial(One survey proves it, but there have bneen over a dozen doing the same)
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
Now all the people that pray to your god (because they are genuine xtians) how should their survial compare to people (who have the same type of cancer, in the same place, at the same severity) but dont pray to any god?
i already answered your question calm down..... look for it on these thousands of comments......
i told you i know about that survey.... once again doesnt prove anything and it was pretty much a dumb survey/test anyway..... sure i'll have to look it up sometime... why not...
calm down..... like i said dont act like science is a god
Now all the people that pray to your god (because they are genuine xtians) how should their survial compare to people (who have the same type of cancer, in the same place, at the same severity) but dont pray to any god?
WHY WONT YOU ANSWER?
AFRAID OF YOUR ANSWER?
AFRIAD OF REALITY?
So why doesnt god ever heal amputtees whats he got against them?
first off all ppl that pray to my God are not necessarily "genuine" Christians, that's where your wrong .... you could believe in God and pray to him..... but still sin alot and live life without a care..... you almost must look at what you can do for God not just what God can do for you..... thats called selfishness if you only want for yourself..... its between you and God of how close you are with him, i can't speak for others.... i'd hope God would have mercy and bring understanding to all
God will bring understanding to those who really want it.. cant be stubborn
Yes some of us are good Christians ..... idk what percent i dont know everyone.... i could only tell u from ppl i know... and from who i know i think less are then more unfortunetly
no i dont think God answers everyones prayers but their might be a reason why he wouldnt..... it might just be in God's will... but then you one would say then whats the point of praying if its God's will..... well not all Christians pray or think it works.... i think praying should not only be for when you want something.. it should daily for anything and everything
you dont ask me questions about my religion you keep asking me stuff about who i think God would help.... IM NOT GOD.... ask me a questions about my religion not what percent of ppl i think God would save
i'm not avoiding anything ..... ill answer your question with a random number because it will not mean anything and you wont be happy unless i answer it.... umm... say alot more than 5% of Christains with cancer..... doesnt mean anything ... that doesnt mean God wont heal everyone.. or no one
"i think God would help.... IM NOT GOD." You claim praying helps? YES/NO? So you some idea, take a guess how many do you think god helps? christians with cancer praying for thier lives How many DO YOU THINK he would help 1 in 100 ? 1 in 1000? 1 in 10000? 1 in 50000? " that doesnt mean God wont heal everyone" So you think god might not have saved any of the 100,000 millions of christans who prayed for their lives
yes i think it helps... like it would be considered talking to God but it only helps if God helps you
i dont think God has any certain amount he will only help but.. umm maybe 30/50
i dont necessarily think that God was planning to save their lives but possibly the praying saved their souls... so it would mean God saving their soul... which is alot better then life
because the whole test to see if it works was based on whether God exists or not.... it was a really dumb test... it doesn't prove anything... because you couldnt even prove if they praying cured them or did anything at all because the whole thing was just made in pathetic attempt to prove God doesn't exist.... and when ppl pray they have to mean it.. they cant be like... umm God can i have a million dollars right now.. doesnt work like that... and you have to be patient
not deliberately.... cus if some dude was like pray and we'll see what happens..... i'm pretty sure they just talked alot of nothing....... it like if someone told u to apologize to someone on the spot... you said but did u even really mean it
If you have not heard of the Lord, i think he would ask you when u die if u accept Jesus as you Lord and Saviour.... we'll i dont rly know, i'm not God, we must pray for them
i consider myself to be Christian.... you either follow the Lord or you don't
once again, it wouldnt be me risking their eternity..... so the answer is no because i would show them Jesus Christ message, it's up to them if they want to accept, i pray to God they would
your theory sounds arguable, but just cuz people havnt seen something or have proof of something doesnt mean they dont exist...there is alot of shit we cannot see that exist......
wanker
jice63 7 months ago
As I was saying--Keep up the good work, here's another absurdity man--Why do Christians grieve when a fellow loved one dies and goes to heaven--I'm baffled by that one too. Just noticed, this thread is 2 years old...but actually it is a perrenial argument.
ssomnaed 1 year ago
@ssomnaed
"Why do Christians grieve when a fellow loved one dies and goes to heaven" I realize this is an old comment but I thought I'd respond. We Christians greive for our own loss, not for the deceased Christian.
eternalwolf777 10 months ago
Alright you Masonic, Reptilian, Christian hating #*!!! No, just kidding. Noel, I just watched you here for the first time and I like you man! Your argument is very sound and intelligent, and darkly humorous. A voice of reason in an insane society of programmed robots who continue to mindlessly follow tradition. . I live here in Georgia, USA--the South, the Bible Belt and I can tell you that I have seem many instances where children of fundamentalist parents reject their conditioning. I'm
ssomnaed 1 year ago
fail.
AzlanProductions 1 year ago
@AzlanProductions What did you just fail?
hugesinker 1 year ago
This is nothing more than a variant of Pascal's wager. Christianity is 100% fraud. And the use of hell threat fear tactics are especially sick and disgusting. It takes a special kind of deluded asshole to use them on children.
One little ironic twist---if the Moslems are right, then Christians are going to Islamic hell. You see the threats don't stop just because you are Christian. All religions are a gamble.
"You mean I picked the wrong religion? oh shit!"
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
As a youth I grew up as a believing protestant but even that never stopped the hell threats because they were used on me by my Catholic friends (because I wasn't Catholic). Their parents wouldn't dare say such a thing but I knew this was where it came from. Kids are just more candid and honest.
And while I agree--there is genuine logic to not having children (for the reasons you mentioned) if you are a hell believer it never stopped my Catholic neighbors from having large families.
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
Please, please accept my apologies for my previous comment - it was a copy&paste nightmare. I'm really sorry.
On your video, I can but agree wholeheartedly - well said.
Peace.
klhcc 2 years ago
.....ok, will do.
I must admit, I checked out your channel and the comment didn't really seem to fit with what I saw their. I also tend to get a bit shirty with comments along the lines of 'this video/your arguments are shit' that do not elaborate or go on to explain what it is they take issue with.
take care,
np99
noelplum99 2 years ago
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klhcc 2 years ago
thanks for your enlightening comments
noelplum99 2 years ago
What's worse, if Heaven is real, then the child might not only wind up in Hell, but the parent will be *happy* while knowing this to be true.
abbnormalfunctions 2 years ago
I'm doing a video on the soul soon and one of the factors i will be looking at is exactly what could the soul actually consist of once stripped of the functions we know our brain contains already (personality, memory etc) and which, ofc, need to be stripped out anyway to make heaven bearable with the kinds of knowledge you allude to there.
noelplum99 2 years ago
Vote bot attack?
Proves the xtianst have NO argument against it.
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
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"finding artifacts of what is believed to be from Saddam and Gomorrah "
WOW even if there was those two cities, who cares?
IT does not mean the rest of the bible is correct does it?
YES OR NO?
Ark for one joke is proven wrong
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
It put the suffering in the basket! D=
Ibitsae 2 years ago
If they really believed what they say they do, this would be true Noel. However christian actions rarely line up with supposed christian beliefs. As Gorilla said a few posts below me, it's repeatedly stated in the new testament that christians are required by Jesus to sell all of their possessions and give the money to the poor. I've never seen a single one do this. There's no big mystery as to why, they only SAY that believe the bible to fit in socially, they don't really believe a word.
cyxgun 2 years ago
" they only SAY that believe the bible to fit in socially, they don't really believe a word. "
hmmm, they definately ignore thier own religion even the fanatical ones.
If I believed in a god (AS they truely do) I would be such a good little theist! Who wants to piss of their god?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
cyxgun ...... actually he only wants 10% of your earnings
underdog92z 2 years ago
"Out of respect for this man's comment section I will stop this now."
Out of thwe fact you are gorilla199 and wont comment on yopur SERIOUS MENTAL ILL you will not comment!
The judge will send you to jail, when he sees how nuts your videos are (Check the conditions on you SUSPENDED senttence Christopher C )
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
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"i said i just consider myself Christian that doesn't mean you follow an organized religion"
So you decided what xtian is and defined it yourself with no evidence its true.
"idk for sure if none are correct"
So maybe one of the religions that existed before your gods failed first attempt are the right one? Or just didnt do anything for a few hundred thousand years?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
" idk what THE CHURCH said... but Catholics don't believe that for one minute "
Its always so funny when believers beliefs dont even line up with their own religion!
LOL religion is a joke
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
i never said i was Catholic.....some aspects of organized religion are skeptical ..... i just consider myself Christian
underdog92z 2 years ago
"i never said i was Catholic..."
What are u then??
"e aspects of organized religion are skeptical "
So none are correct!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
i said i just consider myself Christian .... that doesn't mean you follow an organized religion...... idk for sure if none are correct but like with anything it's hard to trust people in high power
underdog92z 2 years ago
"i said i just consider myself Christian that doesn't mean you follow an organized religion"
So you decided what xtian is and defined it yourself with no evidence its true.
"idk for sure if none are correct"
So maybe one of the religions that existed before your gods failed first attempt are the right one? Or just didnt do anything for a few hundred thousand years?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
i base it on the fact that Jesus was a real person and i follow what he says.....
no i don't believe any other religion is true.... if any other religion is true at all it's only partly.... it would be distorted with some truths
underdog92z 2 years ago
"i base it on the fact that Jesus was a real person and i follow what he says....."
No reawson to believe he as real let alone, what the highly edited bible says.
So you kill anyone who works on the sabbath? as the bible requires, you obviously have gievn away our computer as the bible demands.
Hypocrite, either do what it commands or dont pretend you follow the bible!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
ummm i'm not working .... being on the computer for this is not work
and the Bible has many contradictions you can't live by the old testament completely.... its like Amendments to the Constitution ... there are contradictions
Jesus was mentioned outside the Bible from people who ddnt even believe he was the Messiah.... for example Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius........ and even in the Koran
underdog92z 2 years ago
"Jesus was mentioned outside the Bible from people who ddnt even believe he was the Messiah.... for example Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius........ and even in the Koran"
All writen by people who where not even until after 34 ad, and definately did not met him.
I just wrote about the easter bunny book, therefore easter bunny is real because I wrote about it!
thats what you claim! Doesnt prove it, as I say no records, no independed wriottings only copy of the bible!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
anyways the the Bible itself is a collection of stories..... not everyone got together at one point and decided to write it.... its a collection of scriptures and writings
underdog92z 2 years ago
I just wanted to say it's a pleasure to host this long running debate you are both having, even though I long lost any concept of what you are both on about hehe :))
noelplum99 2 years ago
noelplum99..... if ur referring to me and gorilla199uncensored.... sorry for the inconvience... yea it's been awhile....
underdog92z 2 years ago
"anyways the the Bible itself is a collection of stories..... "
Yes with many proven to be dumb sheep herder fairy tales.
So its possible other things in their are make believe that have not been proven make believe as yet?
YES/NO?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
some stories may not be true... as in that they didn't happen although the their is truth in what the story is saying
so if ur saying have some stories not actually happened... then yea i suppose
alot of it happened for real tho, atleast i believe.. such as carridges being found at the bottom of the Red Sea is a good reason to believe the Moses and Isrealites story really happened
underdog92z 2 years ago
"some stories may not be true..."
Noahs ark is BS
" as in that they didn't happen although the their is truth in what the story is saying"
So we cant accept anything in the bible as true, we know it has plenty of lies.
"such as carridges being found at the bottom of the Red Sea is a good reason to believe the Moses and Isrealites story really happened "
LOL not true, Ron Whyatt liar for flase hopes!
So lucky to find all the different thigns he did! No other fundie found any! LOL
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
there's been other findings... like Mt. Sinai having a blackened top... like in the Bible where it says God threw fire on it... and finding artifacts of what is believed to be from Saddam and Gomorrah
underdog92z 2 years ago
"finding artifacts of what is believed to be from Saddam and Gomorrah "
WOW even if there was those two cities, who cares?
IT does not mean the rest of the bible is correct does it?
YES OR NO?
Ark for one joke is proven wrong
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
Can you refute what Noel has to say, you are willing to risk eternal torture of your child on a 1 in 10 roll?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
i havent been on utube... anyways..... i do not think i in anyway am risking eternal torture of my child (if i had one)
underdog92z 2 years ago
I know thats a lie, I believe your intelligent enuff to see the point.
YOUR NO SO PERFECT THAT YOU CAN GUARENTEE YOUR CHILD WONT CHANGE RELIGION OR BECOME ATHEIST!
You dare to claim you know your child will never change religion ro become atheist?
Thats just an optemistic lie!
Even if theres 5% chance your child will stop being xtian, thats 5% of eternal torture.
Thaqts the risk you take if you where to have a child.
You will ignore your claimed beliefs you dont believe in!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
i know there is a chance if i have a child that they may choose to change religion etc..
but thats not me risking my child's eternity.... it is my child's risking his/her own
i'd hope that i havent of done anything wrong that would make them want to change and i'd hope i'd have presented Christianity well to them
but i'm not perfect like u said
but i do not believe that by having child that i would risking the child's eternity... see what i mean?
if u disagree .. whatever
underdog92z 2 years ago
If I told you that IF you had a child there wass a 20% chance it would grow up to become the next Hitler or Stalin would you take the risk?
well, one individual suffers more in hell (over the infinitude of time) than BOTH those dictators inflicted on humanity put together.
Statistically there is a good chance your child will reject your faith whatever you do; statistically you are risking your progeny suffering for eternity.
noelplum99 2 years ago
if you told me? how would you know, how could you know any percentage of the chance of a child that i don't have's eternity or what they will become in life
how do you know there is a good chance of my child rejecting my faith..... there is a chance but how do you know if its good, bad, etc...
i don't think that is a valid argument... cus how could any person know just what the chances r of your child becoming the next Hitler.. especially when you don't even have one
underdog92z 2 years ago
They don't but statistically we could calculate, based on statistical data we could collect (if not already collected elsewhere), the probability that for someone of your socio-economic group and geographical location that your child would abandon the belief of the parent.
This is just the same as you could tell me what my potential childs chance of being run over by a bus is using statistics in the same way.
noelplum99 2 years ago
yah i suppose you have a point.... but then that same argument could be asked of anyone not just Christians
underdog92z 2 years ago
....and you could ask it of me.
Let me tell you that if I knew there was even the slightest chance my child would be run over by a bus, if i also knew that it's suffering would not go on for days or months (as it would with a road accident) but for an unending eternity I would not take the risk of potentially causing so much suffering.
noelplum99 2 years ago
well if i ddnt have a child(and i dont have one)... i certainly wouldnt stop myself from having one just because i fear he/she may be run over by a bus
but there is always a chance of someone being run over by bus.... so you don't want children?
i know you obv dont believe they even rly have a chance of suffering for eternity but lets use the bus for example then
there is a chance anyone could get hit by one... so ur not gonna have kids because of this?
underdog92z 2 years ago
You misunderstand.
There is a small chance my child could be run over by a bus. If this happens it could cause a fair degree of pain and suffering to my child and could cause their death. I regard this as a risk worth taking given the low probability of it occuring and finite nature of the suffering should the worst happen. If the bus collision was, instead, going to cause my child to suffer for unending billions of years then I would definitely reevaluate and not take the risk.......
noelplum99 2 years ago
....so the difference would not be one of probability of occurence but of the severity of the potential outcome.
The suffering of every child on earth who has ever been hit by a vehicle all added together is still less than the suffering of ONE child in an eternal hell.can you not see how we are talking about totally different scales of risk here?
noelplum99 2 years ago
i see what your saying
but the child also has a chance at eternal happiness which i think is worth it and that i shouldnt be afraid to reproduce because of that fear/risk
.. i'd hope i wouldnt of did anything wrong that would lead my child away from my faith but that's his decision not mine if he chooses another faith... i'm pretty sure once their old enough to think for themselves that God wouldnt hold it against you... unless maybe i did do something wrong.... but anyways valid point
underdog92z 2 years ago
...and thank you for responding to my video :)
noelplum99 2 years ago
your very welcome lol ...... sorry about the looong debate with gorilla199uncensored... the debate has spinned all over the place... althought u gained many text comments lol .... idk when it will end... maybe soon, i think its winding down
underdog92z 2 years ago
It's no problem, i've started to feel like you've both kind of set up home here ;)
noelplum99 2 years ago
lol :)
underdog92z 2 years ago
"but there is always a chance of someone being run over by bus.... so you don't want children?"
In your imaginary world of pretend religion is real, then thats a bonus you should be happy, your child goes to heaven!
(Xtians are not happy when somone goes to heaven, thats because they dont really believe it)
Now the opposite when you risk their eternal soul tortured forever by having a child. Thats a risk you take by having the child.
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
gorilla199uncensored....
y wouldn't anyone be happy about someone going to Heaven?
i don't think i'm risking my child's eternity by having the child... but ya there is always a chance he/she may end up in eternal torture.. and i'll i can do is do my best to present Christianity to them... i will not refuse to have a child out of the fear that they may end up in eternal torture...
underdog92z 2 years ago
You are risking their soul, when they are born they are at risk of going to hell, thats the whole point of the video!
Its a risk you are prepared to take as you dont really believe your own religion.
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
we all have the chance of going to hell... until you hit the age of reason you can't put yourself at risk of hell
to insist that its my fault that my child has the chance of going to hell is really silly... its not my fault... although there is a risk of them developing into an immoral person as they grow up.. but that would be up to them... unless i was a bad parent i would have a part in it
so yea there's is a risk and this is true but how does that mean i dont believe in my own religion?
underdog92z 2 years ago
All xtians are scared/upset about death.
If there was a heaven people where going to, they would not try and avoid it!
Why avoid the luxry of heaven?
Theres no point!
Your just here to earn yoru way to heaven!
So why avoid your reward?
life is nothing compared to heaven, so living is not a valid excuse!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
Christians are not afraid of death they're afraid of hell
you live here on earth so that you may recieve your reward by living a good life
underdog92z 2 years ago
"Christians are not afraid of death they're afraid of hell"
Afraid of going to hell?
HOW CAN THEY BE?
they know they get into heaven, for being the right type of xtian (The rules they follow)
Do you worry you might not get into heaven becasue you wrong and not Catholic?
thats nothing compared to going to heaven the big pay off.
Its like somone winning alot of money and not collecting!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
ofcourse a Christian tries to do their best to be a good person
but people aren't perfect so not every believer always leads a christlike life and therefore worry a bit about their eternity but one can always change their life around
i dont believe you have to be Catholic to enter Heaven
underdog92z 2 years ago
So whos version should I belive?
you think your right so do the catholics, so do peeople of every other religion.
So do xtians get forgiven for all sins?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
if your truly sorry your forgiven
i consider myself a Christian because i believe in God and Jesus Christ ... but i don't really want to label myself with any denomination... i see different things i like... i dnt think any denomination is really that perfect.... think for yourself...
underdog92z 2 years ago
"if your truly sorry your forgiven"
Others dissagree, so they might be right and therefore you will burn for not doing confession.
Then again if you read what the bible says nobody is going to heaven!
So is the ark story real?
Is the world 6004 years old as the bible says?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
well they have a right to disagree
"Then again if you read what the bible says nobody is going to heaven!"
??????????
I'm not so sure if it is or isn't, but whether it happened or not is really irrelevant to whether or not God exists, besides not every story in the Bible is literal .... and i dont think so and that could of just been a misinterpretation... and maybe so you gotta be a little optimistic
underdog92z 2 years ago
Ok so you admit the bible cant be truisted and is not true.
So why aline yourself with that particular religion let alone a certain view of that that religion which you have!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
no all i'm saying is that it can't always been taken literal
why aline myself with this certain view i have ..... well why are you atheist?.... its just the way i see things and what i believe... same in your case.. i think people sometimes have personal experiences that may lead them to one faith or the other or lack there of
underdog92z 2 years ago
Ok so if big boat rides for animals etc is a made up story with all the others.
What else in their is a story?
Zombie coming back to life after he sacrafied himself to himself to PAY himself for the sins people do because he created people knowing they would sin?
Maybe thats not quite what happened either!
Why am I atheist?
I dare you to truthfully supply the answer....
WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE THE 10,000's OF OTHER GOD ARE NOT REAL?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
haha it's fine we all have our different beliefs
none of the others seemed as appealing and/or trustworthy
i just choose to believe in the Judeo-Christian God and Jesus.. if you ask me why i choose that God we'll i could give you an answer but i myself don't have any strong/solid proof because ofcourse we know Christianity is for a large part faith based
underdog92z 2 years ago
Not that you have investigated them!
So you just jumped on the nearest band wagon and bet your soul on it!
So why did you become that religion?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
nearest band wagon lol
well mostly from personal experiences(not that God has appeared to me or anything but i feel like his guidance is present in my life) and i believe Jesus was a real person and that his story is true.... that much i believe strongly
underdog92z 2 years ago
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"so what if people have diffrent level of forgiveness.... any 2 ppl could have a different definition"
LOL so which is right?
They both cant be!
One has gotten their religion wrong!
"not rly its basically accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and live a Christ like life "
LOL
Catholics say you must be catholic and get their death confessions etc to get to heaven.
Others claim you wont be forgiven for some sins.
Remeber the start of this convo.
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
Religious people should not be allowed to breed. That'll solve the problem.
Hey - it would solve the problem completely, as religion would die out within a few generations.
Great plan.
There'd be a major problem convincing the muslims, though. There has to be a way. Invade? Seems to be popular right now.
draagon66 2 years ago 2
Some kind of virus or nerve gas which only targets theists.
That'd work.
paspax 2 years ago
How about employing disturbed teenagers from any country and have them take their father's firearms and give them a mission from Beelzebub.
Suicide Shooters.
Works for the muslims.
Tell 'em that they'll go straight to Old Nick's permanent disco, Valhalla Beat, where there's a wet T-shirt contest every five minutes ... oooh! My imagination is bubbling over.
I must go now.
draagon66 2 years ago
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GoodGuy4life199 2 years ago
GoodGuy4life199
Try getting a sense of humour transplant. It would serve you well. Ridicule via satire is a very useful tool to trash the idiotic extremists that are a virus infecting humanity these days but it is wasted on those too dense to recognise it.
Just continue being a good guy and we'll leave you alone in your protective cocoon.
draagon66 2 years ago
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GoodGuy4life199 2 years ago
If I though for one minute that a comment made on this thread was from someone who genuinely wanted theists wiped out (as opposed to theism) I wouldn't have let it go unchecked.
I'm sure the posters comments were jockular in nature; a wry comment based on the stated mindset of many people who do commit atrocities in the name of their faith.
noelplum99 2 years ago
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GoodGuy4life199 2 years ago
GoodGuy4life199
is the crazy gorilla199 himself
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
"ou're a sick person.."
Hello GORILLA199 AKA Chris AKA GoodGuy4life99
You are seriously mmentally ill, remember you admityted it in court to save you from jail!
So why was the NWO judge so nice and not jail you as he should have?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
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GoodGuy4life199 2 years ago
"I thought you were dead because you haven't made any new hate-videos about me lately. "
chris you just admitted.
so ttell me, why did the the NWO not jail you and the judge suspend your jail term because fo your serious mental illness?
"How's about you and your dozen troll accounts"
Gorilla199 you have over 500 accounts!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
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GoodGuy4life199 2 years ago
"Damn troll, you make me look bad......."
Gorilla199 your criminal and mental health problems make you look bad!
Why not comment on that?
When the judge sees you channel (I have sent him a letter and the url)
Do you think he will see you are not getting the mental tretament (HE ordered as a CONDITION you keep OUT of jail)
He will be sending you to jail for breach of that condition!
There you will get the help u need, forced if needed!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
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GoodGuy4life199 2 years ago
"Oh, man you really believe that I am gorilla199."
Dhris its obvious.
If not comment on gorilla199 legal and mental health problems!
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
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GoodGuy4life199 2 years ago
"Out of respect for this man's comment section I will stop this now."
Out of thwe fact you are gorilla199 and wont comment on yopur SERIOUS MENTAL ILL you will not comment!
The judge will send you to jail, when he sees how nuts your videos are (Check the conditions on you SUSPENDED senttence Christopher C )
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
This is AMAZINGLY funny. I'm not sure if anyone else has commented about this, but what you're saying flies in the face of christian belief! First, God COMMANDED "Go forth and Multiply". Second it's a sin to use ANY form of contraception. LOL you people make me laugh, you have no idea what your religion stands for and yet blindly follow it! Unless you're an atheist trying to stop any more brainwashed kids from entering the world? lol which is a good thing!
kendrawhisp 2 years ago
"so it would mean God saving their soul... which is alot better then life "
they where already xtian and their sould already saved (if your right LOL) so it has nothing to do with that!
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
no no lol..... just because you label yourself as Christian doesn't really mean your in tune with God... we been over this
and i never said God couldn't of helped ppl that are non Christian, God reveals himself to ppl in many ways
underdog92z 3 years ago
"just because you label yourself as Christian doesn't really mean your in tune with God"
So your claiming out the 100,000's of christians none where christians? LOL
"i never said God couldn't of helped ppl that are non Christian"
Well he doesnt even help christians as proven!
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
i'm not claiming anyone is not a genuine Christian but there out there... there all kinds of ppl out there... just because you believe in God that doesn't make you a Christ like person
well it was never proven... ... like i said it was proven he did or didn't ....
underdog92z 3 years ago
"just because you believe in God that doesn't make you a Christ like person"
Your religious book is so funny, you xtians cant even define what xtian is!
The book does not say (or is it just biased reading)
If your religious book cant even define its religion then thats a joke!
4 major verions whats rewuired for heaven.
(I wont mention all the other laws that the bible demands MUST be follwed to get into heaven - This means NO ONE gets into heaven)
Let alone all other claims.
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
i'm not defending any particular book at this point ... i'm talking about how just because u call urself Christian.. that doesnt mean u have Christlike traits .......and since u talking about the Bible.... there are many contradictions in it... just like say the constitution and its amendments.. some amendments repeal others but there r sill in the fine print....so, when it comes to Christians, no matter what denomination, the same is believed by all on what will/can get u in Heaven or Hell....
underdog92z 2 years ago
"no matter what denomination, the same is believed by all on what will/can get u in Heaven or Hell.."
You are joking right? I cant believe your that ignorant, your lying?
Let the atheeist educate the xtian on their religion as always!
Catholics say you must d confession!
Others do not!
Some catholics say god will not forgive some sins!
Catholics are also divided the same.
God didnt hell for 4.6 billion years? when he had hsi first failed attempt at a religion? after man evolved.
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
confession to God whether it be directly or through a priest(catholic) ... they all believe in confessing to God.... anyways Catholics do believe you can be Protestant for example and make it into Heaven
underdog92z 2 years ago
"they all believe in confessing to God"
No they dont does that confessiong the sin they dont rember let alone the oens they dont realise they even did!
Diff people believe in levles in forgivens.
Therefore
Christuianity has many definitions and beliefs on whats required to get into haven.
None of which coniside with what is written in the bible offcourse! LOL
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
so what if people have diffrent level of forgiveness.... any 2 ppl could have a different definition
not rly its basically accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and live a Christ like life
underdog92z 2 years ago
"so what if people have diffrent level of forgiveness.... any 2 ppl could have a different definition"
LOL so which is right?
They both cant be!
One has gotten their religion wrong!
"not rly its basically accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and live a Christ like life "
LOL
Catholics say you must be catholic and get their death confessions etc to get to heaven.
Others claim you wont be forgiven for some sins.
Remeber the start of this convo.
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
Catholics do not say that .... you are so wrong.... Catholics don't believe for example if your Protestant that you will go to hell.... Catholics believe it's very likely for them to go to Heaven..... idk what THE CHURCH said... but Catholics don't believe that for one minute
underdog92z 2 years ago
" idk what THE CHURCH said... but Catholics don't believe that for one minute "
Its always so funny when believers beliefs dont even line up with their own religion!
LOL religion is a joke
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
wasn't proven he did or didn't **
underdog92z 3 years ago
How does your imaginary friend reveal himself to you?
trueleroix 3 years ago
i don't have one of those but i have God
to tell u the truth i don't know which comment your referring to cus i left so many on this dudes page arguing with a guy... so if you could please tell me that would help
but to simply answer the question i'ma just through personal experience... i think personal experiences draw ppl to their faiths or the lack of faith
underdog92z 3 years ago
so if you could please tell me which comment your referring to that would help** ...(that's what i meant)
underdog92z 3 years ago
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
Now all the people that pray to your god (because they are genuine xtians) how should their survial compare to people (who have the same type of cancer, in the same place, at the same severity) but dont pray to any god?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
"actually it has not been proven that praying doesn't work.... how can you prove that doesn't work........ "
Well you look at the results of cancer survial(One survey proves it, but there have bneen over a dozen doing the same)
Now all the people that pray to your god (because they are genuine xtians) how should their survial compare to people (who have the same type of cancer, in the same place, at the same severity) but dont pray to any god?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
"i consider myself to be Christian.... you either follow the Lord or you don't "
What do you mean by "follow"
So you consider yourself xtian, just like you consider others follow the wrong god.
Many xtians say you are not xtian.
Their point of view is just as valid as yours, so you might be burning for eternity even tho you think your not?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
by "follow" the lord i mean that i will tell other people that they are wrong and will burn in hell because they don't conform to MY beliefs on what god is. basically i am saying that i will be using the lord as a shield to avoid any personal responsibility for my actions. after all we are all sinners right?
greycloud24 3 years ago
they couldnt get into Heaven so God sent his only son to die for us so we may enter into Heaven...... u should know the story
no, every Christian knows to get into Heaven you must follow and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, no matter what denomination you are..... denominations dont argue about that
underdog92z 3 years ago
"they couldnt get into Heaven"
Might you also taking the chance your kids souls will burn forever.
"no matter what denomination you are..... denominations dont argue about that "
Alot of denominations will tekll you people of certain other denominations will not get into heaven CORRECT?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
ummmm, no i haven't rly heard much of that other denominations won't make it to Heaven... i don't recall anyone saying they wouldn't get into Heaven, idk if that's the case though, i'm not an expert on every denomination
underdog92z 3 years ago
"Denominations won't make it to Heaven... "
What denomination are you?
The catholics know your going to burning in hell for eternity with me. So do many other denominations, other denominations just know you made the wrong choice and wont be rewarded.
Jsut like your sure about xtianity, theres many other denominations that are sure you will burn for being the wrong denomination.
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
Catholics don't think other denominations are going to burn in hell.... i was raised in a catholic house... but i consider myself Christian.... the differences between denominations comes with what part of the Bible they focus on more.... i consider myself Christian because somethings i like the Catholic church better but in other ways i like the Protestant church better.... i cant speak for those who are running the whole show...... but the everyday ppl.... dont think the other is going to hell
underdog92z 3 years ago
"Catholics don't think other denominations are going to burn in hell.... "
Not all of them maybe, which is in direct contradiction to what their religion say! good old xtians ignoring what they KNOZW id true from god, to make things lss offensive.
"i like the Protestant church better"
You like the changes they made to xtianity! A version of the religiopn created a long tme after the real version.
"dont think the other is going to hell "
What u mean by other?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
not all changes... just some because some didn't seem right to begin with
by other i meant.... other denominations.... we'll like u said i guess only some feel that way..... we'll atleast not major denominations theres prob some really distorted ones out there
underdog92z 3 years ago
"y other i meant.... other denominations.... we'll like u said i guess only some feel that way..... we'll atleast not major denominations "
catholics say all others burn (oofical church standing)
Baptists, king henry the 8thers alot of them think other denominations will burn, alot of them even m,ore against mormons,witnesses etc.
Why is that because all the different denominations have very different ideas, and uit even varies within the same church what people think xtianity is.
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
lol not all... like i said i can't speak for the higer-ups .... but i know the everday man doesn't think that way....... and Mormonism is different from any Christian denomination.... idk too much about the church of latter day saints but if ppl follow original Mormon beliefs then they are wrong
underdog92z 3 years ago
"lol not all... "
YEs is your sinner with un confessed sin you burn (you must confess toget into Heaven) Thats why they have one after they die!
I have to laught when the priet does it for suiciders (who are not allowed in) totally contradiction of their own wbeliegfs, well thats what all religions are about isnt it
"original Mormon beliefs then they are wrong "
Only because theirs is different and you think yours is right, the same for every denomination
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
no original Mormon beliefs are soooo far from Christians..... i think Islam might be closer to Christianity then original Mormonism
"Only because theirs is different and you think yours is right, the same for every denomination"
this is true for everyone..... you think your right just as much as i do..... i'm assuming
underdog92z 3 years ago
"this is true for everyone..... you think your right just as much as i do..... i'm assuming "
Im not the one claiming one out of tens of gods is the real one, because you feel it is, the same reason every one else knows their god is real and yours is not!
See the difference?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
i know what your trying to say but you believe there is no God just as much as i believe my one out of tens of gods is the real one.... get it?
underdog92z 3 years ago
"i know what your trying to say but you believe there is no God just as much as i believe my one out of tens of gods is the real one.... get it? "
Your biased for you one god out of the many is obvious. You claim its the real one (Without any evidence) as do all the others people of different religions
I just say want me to think santa is real show me proof, want to claim your god is real show some proof.
Its proven praying does not work for any religion!
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
ok that argument about santa clauses and pink unicorns is way over blown........ i know what your trying to say but its not the same..... some might even find it offensive
actually it has not been proven that praying doesn't work.... how can you prove that doesn't work........ and for your piece of mind ... yes the same way you can't prove spaghetti monsters dont live on the dark side of the moon.... look the fact of the matter is that you think your right and i think i'm right
underdog92z 3 years ago
"ok that argument about santa clauses and pink unicorns is way over blown"
No you like to pretend your god is real, when it has just as much evidence as every other god and fictionalcharacter.
Prove your bible is the work of a god!
"actually it has not been proven that praying doesn't work.... how can you prove that doesn't work.."
Science you know that stuff that proves your religion wrong! Ever heard of science?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
yea the same way you pretend that God doesn't exist.... see my point yet
ummm actually science helps prove God's existence ... the only thing science really has done has made some Scripture seem like they have flaws.. but still not proven..
underdog92z 3 years ago
"yea the same way you pretend that God doesn't exist.... see my point yet"
Just like you pretend goblins and unicorns dont exist!
"ummm actually science helps prove God's existence "
LOL NO
"some Scripture seem like they have flaws"
Seems? sun going around earth is seems? No its a bible fact.
God was jewish (got it wrong) made new religion? RIGHT?
God regretted the murder of everyone with the flood? RIGHT?
Which of the two adam/eve creation contradicitions do you pretend correct?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
and look.... science can be used to support either argument that God exists or God doesn't exist..... dont act like science is some tool just to prove God doesn't exist..... science isnt there for that ..... theres plenty of ways it points to God existing.... and ways it points to it not..... so stop making it a one way argument.... your making science out to be a god, like it has all the answers or something
underdog92z 3 years ago
"science can be used to support either argument that God exists "
Provide proof your religion is correct!
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
i said provide support... for either side.... it doesnt prove anything for sure
why don't you go look for yourself and research it... do some work aiiight.... which would require seeking sources that are not only for your argument
underdog92z 3 years ago
Well you look at the results of cancer survial(One survey proves it, but there have bneen over a dozen doing the same)
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
Now all the people that pray to your god (because they are genuine xtians) how should their survial compare to people (who have the same type of cancer, in the same place, at the same severity) but dont pray to any god?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
i already answered your question calm down..... look for it on these thousands of comments......
i told you i know about that survey.... once again doesnt prove anything and it was pretty much a dumb survey/test anyway..... sure i'll have to look it up sometime... why not...
calm down..... like i said dont act like science is a god
underdog92z 3 years ago
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
Now all the people that pray to your god (because they are genuine xtians) how should their survial compare to people (who have the same type of cancer, in the same place, at the same severity) but dont pray to any god?
WHY WONT YOU ANSWER?
AFRAID OF YOUR ANSWER?
AFRIAD OF REALITY?
So why doesnt god ever heal amputtees whats he got against them?
"like i said dont act like science is a god"
Thats an insult as science is real!
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
first off all ppl that pray to my God are not necessarily "genuine" Christians, that's where your wrong .... you could believe in God and pray to him..... but still sin alot and live life without a care..... you almost must look at what you can do for God not just what God can do for you..... thats called selfishness if you only want for yourself..... its between you and God of how close you are with him, i can't speak for others.... i'd hope God would have mercy and bring understanding to all
underdog92z 3 years ago
"i'd hope God would have mercy and bring understanding to all "
Well obviously he does not.
Some of them must be real xtians?
So tell me what % of people who call them selfs xtians do you classify as real ones?
Do you accept the way they test medicine or chemo which proves it works as valid ways to test them?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
God will bring understanding to those who really want it.. cant be stubborn
Yes some of us are good Christians ..... idk what percent i dont know everyone.... i could only tell u from ppl i know... and from who i know i think less are then more unfortunetly
it depends... what kind of testing
underdog92z 3 years ago
" could only tell u from ppl i know.."
You canmake an assumption is yiou have one million xtians with cancer, would god help 1%? More or less?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
God helps those who want his help
could God still help them... absolutely... God works in mysterious ways
underdog92z 3 years ago
"God helps those who want his help"
No god doesnt answer all prayers from devote xtians to be saved from cancer?
TRUE/FALSE?
Out of the peopel who are xtians and pray to god to be saved fromtheir cancer, ROUGHTLY what % would he help?
!% 5% 10% 25%
What do you think?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
idk i'm not God
no i dont think God answers everyones prayers but their might be a reason why he wouldnt..... it might just be in God's will... but then you one would say then whats the point of praying if its God's will..... well not all Christians pray or think it works.... i think praying should not only be for when you want something.. it should daily for anything and everything
underdog92z 3 years ago
you kweep avoiding answering what you think about your religion!
That means you have somthing to hide?
"i think praying should not only be for when you want something"
Saving your own life say?
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
Out of CHRISTIANS with cancer, what % ROUGHTLY would god help
1%? Bit less bit more? 5%
Tell me about god saving.
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
you dont ask me questions about my religion you keep asking me stuff about who i think God would help.... IM NOT GOD.... ask me a questions about my religion not what percent of ppl i think God would save
i'm not avoiding anything ..... ill answer your question with a random number because it will not mean anything and you wont be happy unless i answer it.... umm... say alot more than 5% of Christains with cancer..... doesnt mean anything ... that doesnt mean God wont heal everyone.. or no one
underdog92z 3 years ago
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
yes i think it helps... like it would be considered talking to God but it only helps if God helps you
i dont think God has any certain amount he will only help but.. umm maybe 30/50
i dont necessarily think that God was planning to save their lives but possibly the praying saved their souls... so it would mean God saving their soul... which is alot better then life
underdog92z 3 years ago
"i dont think God has any certain amount he will only help but.. umm maybe 30/50"
Well god never actually helped a single christian in any of the surveys of 100,000's of people.
God believers actually did worse than the people who did not pray at all!
"so it would mean God saving their soul..."
LOL lame excuse god was all for saving the sick in the bible and performing mircales none of which what happens today.
You also said god heals people! LOL
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
So wheres your answer to my question on praying?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
because the whole test to see if it works was based on whether God exists or not.... it was a really dumb test... it doesn't prove anything... because you couldnt even prove if they praying cured them or did anything at all because the whole thing was just made in pathetic attempt to prove God doesn't exist.... and when ppl pray they have to mean it.. they cant be like... umm God can i have a million dollars right now.. doesnt work like that... and you have to be patient
underdog92z 3 years ago
"because you couldnt even prove if they praying cured them "
So yoru saying the xtians with cancer deliberately didnt pray to ruin the results?
"when ppl pray they have to mean it."
So none of the xtians praying actually ment they wanted to be saved?
Thats what you are claiming?
"doesnt work like that... and you have to be patient "
Well they where and god didnt help at all!
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
not deliberately.... cus if some dude was like pray and we'll see what happens..... i'm pretty sure they just talked alot of nothing....... it like if someone told u to apologize to someone on the spot... you said but did u even really mean it
underdog92z 3 years ago
"cus if some dude was like pray and we'll see what happens..... "
Surekly some xtians praying get their prays answered? thats whay you claim by saying praying works!
Some xtians prayers get answered right?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
"Bible it says thou shall not make any likeness of a graven image that is of earth"
Want to complete the quote?
Are you catholic?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
i dont remember the exact reference i told you
If you have not heard of the Lord, i think he would ask you when u die if u accept Jesus as you Lord and Saviour.... we'll i dont rly know, i'm not God, we must pray for them
i consider myself to be Christian.... you either follow the Lord or you don't
underdog92z 3 years ago
"If you have not heard of the Lord, i think he would ask you when u die if u accept Jesus as you Lord and Saviour.... "
So in the god old days before your god figured out he failed with his Jew religion attempt.
Before he even invented Jewdasim
so atleast 195,000 years possibly altot longer.
His method was once people died, then he asked them
"im god do to accept that"
So everyone went to heaven. (As they could see him)
Change to jewdaism, no one went to heaven until 2000 years ago?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
"if i've shown them Jesus Christ message then i've done my job... "
So you are willing to take a 10% risk your child will be tortured forever! You are fiine with that risk! Thats a risk no a sensible parent would take!
"i'm not to point a gun at someone's head to make them believe"
No far worse!
Believe or burn in hell of eternity!
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
No by showing them Jesus Christ message i am giving them the chance for eternal hapiness
if they deny Jesus, then that's up to them, personally
underdog92z 3 years ago
"if they deny Jesus, then that's up to them, personally "
So in that case you dont care they are going to burn, because its their fault?
ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTION PLEASE
So you are willing to risk eternal torture of your kids?
YES or NO
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
once again, it wouldnt be me risking their eternity..... so the answer is no because i would show them Jesus Christ message, it's up to them if they want to accept, i pray to God they would
underdog92z 3 years ago
"once again, it wouldnt be me risking their eternity"
So then your 10 year old knows he should not play with matches.
So you leave the meatches with him as he knows he shoudl not burn the house down?
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago