Why all the hate on worf? Not the best character, but brought a lot to tng and ds9. Also, it is bs and unfair to say ds9 does not qualify as star trek. It's whole universe icluding cardies romulans vulcans ferengi and Klingons grew out of the canon established by tos and tng and the movies. I like your reviews, but just cuz ds9 surpassed it's predecessors in narrative scope and character depth doesn't mean it isn't ST. it was just better ST.
matthew- get your facts right- Julian bashir was not a shapeshifter the whole time in the series prior to By Inferno light, the shapseshifter was only on ds9 for a few months, a few episodes of season 5
I think part of the reason why the Dominion was such a fascinating adversary was that it was more or less a dark Federation, only more technologically advanced and led by shapeshifters. One could "join" the Dominion but not join the Klingons, Romulans, or even the Borg (without altogether losing your identity).
Matthew's critique of Voyager does not hold, though- how were the bad guys in Voyager any less appealing than those in TOS or TNG?
You almost -almost- make it sound like a formulaic, canned, predictable, episodic style of storytelling the other Star Trek series used would actually be preferable, but that isn't what makes Star Trek what it is - it's about the characters. You know, what makes TNG and VOY so boring. You briefly mention how going to war somehow makes DS9 *not* Star Trek because that made it not about exploration anymore. But this is where I disagree with you.
You see, the exploration is never about meeting some alien of the week, its about exploring some aspect of ourselves. When done badly, these allegories and parallels are completely obvious, and the message tends to get lost. When done well, it makes us think, because we aren't as distracted by the allegory.
As far as what the Dominion War and everything else about the show you felt made it not about exploration and therefore not Star Trek, I disagree.
The war simply gives the show another means of exploring humanity. Conflict is an aspect of humanity, no matter how much Gene Roddenberry wanted to claim humanity was somehow above all that in the show. Personally that's why I feel so much of modern Trek has been boring, so I liked it when DS9 turned this on its head. As Sisko said, "it's easy to be an angel in paradise, but we're not in paradise."
Conflict, especially war, takes people to their extremes as far as what they even think themselves capable of doing, and this is at its heart the same kind of exploration of the human condition that Star Trek has always been about. What would we, as what we consider to be a highly civilized and cultured people do if the shit hit the fan? Well, we certainly got a taste of that in more recent years, haven't we?
And DS9 also managed to cover issues like the idea of dealing with homeless people by rounding them up and putting them in ghettos, out of sight, out of mind, before the idea had actually come up to actually do that in California.
See, the thing about your review is that it almost makes it seem like it has to be boring and predictable -bad things in my book- to be Star Trek, and I couldn't disagree more. DS9 was Star Trek done right, by people who cared about the show and what they made.
So in my opinion, DS9 sets the standard for what Star Trek should be like, not TNG, and not even TOS anymore. TOS is a good starting point, but its style of storytelling is dated. Trying to do the same kind of canned, episodic, formulaic, predictable storytelling lead to how VOY and ENT turned out. ENT even seemed to think so, so they tried to do a season-long story arc themselves, and to their credit, it was probably that show's best season. It just didn't make sense in overall context.
I think if you combined the good points of your review with the great human mirror of our own society, it would be a great show. Star trek DS9 is the only show I like because the characters are believable.
Ah, vintage Confused Matthew...a bit off in this review, I think, but he WAS just starting out here, and we all know as Trek fans how bad the first few episodes can be... ;)
@dankrug572 i saw his review of season 7 he points out stuff i missed. but at the same time i mean it was still pretty awsome granted i wish the serires had lasted longer.
ok i kind of understand where u are coming from. but this is why ds9 is the best star trek i think. because well its the most human. and is not affarid to branch out and explore other clutures like some episodes are 100% deadicated to the frugengi or seeing 2 diffrent aliens that are not humans intereact with each other is also amzing for example the bajaron oucupation. of coruse i am not saying its perfect. but its better then all the others.
guys don't pretend the character promotions in tos and tng were the same AT ALL. the tos characters were only ever promoted in the films, and the tng characters were only promoted for one episode or in alternate universes. it's essentially tv writing at its safest.
...though I do consider DS9 to be Star Trek in the most basic sense (just look at how well they fit into the TOS universe in "Trials and Tribble-ations". Though DS9 had an over-arching arc from season 3 onward, the series had plenty of singular episodes where there was a problem that required a solution by the end of the episode. I also don't consider the first 2 seasons to be poor replications of TNG. There were stinkers, but it had some of my favourite episodes, of any Trek (Duet - Jem'Hadar).
@avenuePad well 2 things in seasons 1 and 2 defense 1)it was doing what tng did the frist series trying to get its idententy right but at least it was using a simlar formula from tng. so it did not feel totaly out there. 2)secondly some episodes were not too bad and some of the aliens/villans of the week were not too bad like paraside just an example and yet there was still a feeling of this is bigger then just one ship like in tng.
Yeah, the whole changing ranks argument/observation isn't true at all. Spock was promoted to captain, Kirk was promoted to admiral twice, Scotty was promoted to captain, Chekov was promoted from ensign to commander and first officer of the Reliant, and Sulu was promoted through the ranks to finally captain of the Excelsior. Even on TNG the characters were promoted throughout the series and movies.
A pretty good review, though I do consider DS9 to be Star Trek in the most basic sense.
The following Trek regulars/recurring characters have held at least two ranks at some point in canonical appearances: Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, Riker, LaForge, Worf, Troi, Wesley, Ro Laren, Sisko, Kira, Jadzia, Ezri, Nog, Martok, Damar, Janeway, Tuvok, Paris.
ah ha I has found it.......no i was wrong......I dont agree with you.....looks like were ganna have to agree to disagree.....not even ganna bother watching part 2..........
you present several things that are your opinions as fact. you make assumptions about everyones feelings and ideas on star trek aswell. i usually like your movie reviews but this was a rather poor review. I love deep space nine aswell but you seem to be of the opinion that no other show can be as great as it.
Also you had Paris lose rank after an incident on an artificial planet, which he is then put into solitary confinement for 30 days, and is an ensign after that.
Well maybe not that exact form, but for one thing, la forge is a captain in a voyager story arc, so you have to be a fuckin idiot to think rank changes are foreign to the show. Maybe to something like TNG, even though many of the future time arcs involve new captains(like Riker or Beverly Crusher).
In voyager paris was demoted and the whole xindi arc of enterprise was really dark and you never saw it comeing at the end of season 2. I thought ds9 was interesting but sisko was such a bad protagonist he just went around punching people in the face.
Did you just say that sissko was a better character than picard? And you basically said picard never took action when he thought out his plans. You have never watched TNG have you!!!!!!!!!!!!
@TheShanediesel well i honestly do think sissko is kind of better then picard to be honest. because i mean he is porably the most human out of all of them. picard and kirck are awsome but sissko well actully he porably has a bigger dick then both of them comibed to be honest. i dont see kirck or picard standing up to an empire like the dominon like sisko did infact in one episode picard like was oh i am letting u cardasins get away with shit cuz i dont want to start a war with youlol.
@thewewguy8t88 ok picard lets the cardassians get away with it but that is because he is ordered to keep the peace what ever the costs, even firing on another federation ship is not out of the question. and sissko doesn't start the war it is going to happen 1 way or another. besides if sissko was the superior comander he would command the enterprise, you no the flagship of the fleet rather than DS9.
Matthew, you do realize that LaForge held three different ranks on TNG, right? Lt. Junior Grade, Lieutenant, and then Lt. Commander. The rank doesn't matter... the POSITION, however, does. Sisko kept his position as leader of DS9 consistently.
how can you say DS9 isn't Star Trek, it's the natural evolution of star trek. It's different yes, but it's retains enough of the spirit of Trek to deserve it's name
i think that it is great that ds9 broke away from the other star treks, i never like tng or the original series anyway. Things actually happened in ds9, what happened one day affected things the next day; this never happened in any other star trek series except maybe enterprise.
Well TNG had some story arcs in them and some of the events in one episode(like Q who for example) caused the events in another(best of both worlds). And even if a series doesn't that doesn't mean that's it's inferior or bad or anything. In my opinion TOS, TNG and DS9 all have their strengths and weaknesses Personally I think the Twilight zone is the greatest sci-fi show and television show of all time and that series had no story arcs in it.
@sniperdude12a yeah i agree and it had other characters other then just the main cast all the time figureing out the porblem with mabye the occainal guest star of the week
Of all the Star Trek series, I liked DS9 the best because they showed the characters personal lives more. This aloud me to imagine myself as apart of that world and the characters as my friends.
Funny that you should mention Moonlighting since both Colm Meaney(O'Brien) & Andy Robinson(Garak) guest starred on that show. As both a DS9 & Moonlighting fan I must say I don't see any resemblance between them (ML was mostly a 2 character show, Maddie & David fought & made up more than any characters on Ds9 ever did and the show was clearly geared more towards screwball comedy than solid plots). Anyway, if any of you are curious about Robinson's performance on ML, you can see it on my channel.
Also, I don't get why you dislike Worf so much. To be honest he isn't in my top 5 Star Trek characters either(he's not even in my top 3 TNG characters),but I still think Michael Dorn did a great job portraying the klingon outcast, raised by human parents and torn between his loyalty to the federation and its ideals on one hand and the cultural heritage of his klingon bloodline on the other.Plus his volatile temper made him a great target for comic relief, as a many DS9 & TNG epsiodes have shown.
he mentioned in his review of Star Trek Generations that worf is a crappy character because he lives to do one of two things... Pontificate or get humiliated. It's boring and stupid.
@Spikezx7 yeah i kind of felt way in tng at times but i mean worf does have his moments. but like i mean he has had like 3 true loves his life and 2 of them were killed and the other well they broke up off screen?
I think I'm right in saying that Spock WAS a lieutenant commander in TOS. He was a commander in the first movie and a captain from the second movie on.
I remember this and enjoyed it but I felt that its was somewhat over shadowed by Babylon 5 with had simular themes and a bigger budget. DS9 had its moments.
I think you got it all wrong, it was the other way around; DS9 had a bigger budget per episode than B5, which is clearly noticeable in the rather poor quality of B5's sets and the crappy (and I do mean CRAPPY) CGI (while DS9 used a lot of models which were much more realistic but also more expensive than CGI). But the fact that B5 manage to overcome the limitations of their small budget & become (at times) a lot better than DS9 was a testament to the dedication & skill of those involved with it.
It's amazing what happens when you're on a space station at a worm hole. Second, promotions happened in TNG. Next, you can't compare because this was supposed to be different - IT'S NOT A TRAVELING SHIP. And the Dominion War was brilliant. BTW it was not new at all - they foreshadowed it in TNG.
You went on about the promotion like its never happened before, LeForge was an ensign when he was conn officer, promoted to lt.Jr Grade. He was promoted to full Lieutenant when he was transferred to engineering and made chief engineer. He was then promoted again to Lt. Commander. Worf also gets several promotions during the show having joined the Ent-D as lieutenant jr. grade, by the time he's moved to DS9 he's Lt. Commander. They just never made as big a deal out of it.
I feel like the Dominion-esque sorta thing was kinda going in Voyager, if only it had been handled differently. The Kazon tribal sects and their street-gang like struggle with each other could have been really intelligently done, and in several key moments were, but overall they fell victim to being formulated for story with them just following what the story needed them to do, rather than the other way around with story being made and shaped around their actions.
It was THE Star Trek. TOS was total crap!!! Okay, TNG was better, but ALL seasons are absolutely Trek. TOS is no Trek. Cause it has more inconsistencies than anything should have!
When I watched DS9 for the first time, I was absolutely glued to my tv every time I replayed the episodes I had taped while I was in middle school. By the time Sisko had announced his plan to retake DS9, I was contemplating ditching school to watch it as soon as it aired. Then, THOSE BASTARDS AT SPIKE TV SKIPPED AN EPISODE AND SHOWED THE STATION ALREADY TAKEN BACK BY THE FEDERATION!
Didn't Wesley and Troy get promoted? Deanna Trois promotion was actually the plot of an episode...
But apart from that...you're right. I particularly like the fact that Worf screws up his chances on EVER getting a commando on his own on DS9. Wonder if they gonna stick to that decision...
Hard to have a lasting conflict on Voyager when the whole point of the show was for them to get home. In otherwords, they kept moving from system to system, and that is why the writers had to keep coming up with new aliens.
but that's not terribly realistic. In the course of their travels they should have encountered some aggressive species where crossing their territory would take months. None of the voyager villians were ever that menacing, the kazon were laughable, the vidians were ok but not sustainable, the borg became weak in the wake of first contact.
Species 8472 had great potential but they killed that one off too soon. I admit some of the one off aliens were great like those we saw in distant origins
Worf was my favorite character in that series next to sisco. Whats wrong with Worf? I though it gave an awsome oppurtunity to better explore and understand the Klingons and their culture.
Worf and Geordi in TNG were both promoted in between the 1st and 2nd seasons. They were both junior grade lieutenants before.
The very nature of Voyager wouldn't allow for the intricate weaving of plot that DS9 was privileged to have since Voyager was supposed to be in a constant state of motion, and DS9 stayed put.
I liked Jadzia and Worf. Sisko always used Dax as a sounding board for all his ideas which is necessary for TV sometimes. He relied on her 7 lifetimes of experience and wisdom.
"The very nature of Voyager wouldn't allow for the intricate weaving of plot that DS9 was privileged to have since Voyager was supposed to be in a constant state of motion, and DS9 stayed put"
Character development and story arcs have nothing to do with location, and everything to do with paying attention to where you're going and where you've been. Something that the writers of Voyager and Enterprise had no idea how to do, nor any interest in doing. It has do with characters being people.
commandox30, while it's true that character development and story arcs are possible in a show like Voyager, it would have to be done differently than DS9. The only recurring cast could (or should) be the members of the crew (and Barclay, lol), and that limits the overall story richness. I'm not trying to defend Voyager. I, too, thought it was awful, but we shouldn't think it worse than it was.
psst ... I wouldn't mentioned Enterprise ... Matthew doesn't like that very much, lol ....
How would having the only recurring characters being the main cast limit story telling? You don't have to line up some kind of a master plan,as long as previous episodes are kept in the back of the writers minds so that if any moment comes up where you're treading over already covered ground you can have the characters act and react logically. Story and character arcs arent just big things, they can be subtle - and often work better that way. (Take Babylon 5, or a newer show would be "House.")
he sounds nothing like avgn. he doesn't curse like avgn, he doesn't get too angry, (except on the lion king reviews) and he doesn't have over the top editing.
I agree with you on your credit, but there's nothing to criticize:
a) Yep, it wasn't like Star Trek before. It was a MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT of Star Trek. I mean, TOS is stupid anyway, but TNG, under its wish to resemble realism, has been rightfully kicked in its a** if you mind. (not saying that TNG wasn't great)
2) Ziyal was no different to Tasha Yar.
3) Dax was great. A new race to explore *yay*
4) I give a shit about Worf. I love the klingon eps...
well, with most of your comments I agree with you, and I also agree with celtcarchie on him/her saying "yes it was a start trek show, in fact definitely the BEST star trek show"
You NEVER give TNG anywhere near the credit it's due, CM.
What do you have against Picard: so he's not a sex amiac and not trigger happy like Kirk, and not ruthless like Sisko (who I'd NEVER want as a captain, I'd rather Kirk the comrade or Picard the patriarch, not Sisko the cold and almost cold-blooded in my opinion.)
Picard was a thinking-man's captain, a strategist who utilized the whole team, not just a few like Kirk (I like both equally, by the way, no Picard-Kirk war intended.)
Data was.... well, we all know he's awesome. Riker and Troi....... a little dull and not as good as other Trek officers, but not terrible and at least not annoying (ex. NEELIX and WESLEY.)
I LIKED Worf- good two-worlds, one man conflict, a bit like Spock's human-Vulcan conflict, just with a muscular Klingon who's introverted instead ot a logical Vulcan. Beverly I liked, and Geordi- and Q was a brilliant guest villian.
I agree with sooo much stuff in this video except worf. Worf may have been a 2 dimentional character with crap lines and little backstory in TNG (which i hated btw, and DS9 is my fav series). However, in DS9 his character was given the opporotunity to expand and develop into someone just as believeable and dynamic as Sisko. Worf (DS9) = Worf (TNG) * 10
DS9 was made as a Star trek knock off of Babylon5, The one thing that makes DS9 stand out is character development , All the characters were well developed and very deep even reoccurring characters like Garak, It had taken them untill season 4 to figure what there doing.
They came out at the same time, Babylon 5 was in development before DS9, They managed to launch a year ahead of Babylon-5.
J. Michael Straczynski, Shopped around his Babylon-5 concept in search of a studio willing to buy into it, There is a claim that Rick Berman and paramount stole his premise and retooled into a star trek show.
A lot of things are claimed. There is no reason why both of them could not have come up with the idea independently. It is not as if either of them invented the concept "space station". Space stations have appeared in SF stories and films for a long time.
granted, a lot of the first and second season were crap. but it was all character development, and i've found that nearly every episode has an important character developing aspect for at least one character.
the first episode i thought was pretty amazing. "in the hands of the prophets", the final episode of the first season where wyn tries to shut down keiko's school; this is what hte first two seasons really accomplished, shedding an intense amount of light on bajoran society.
I've seen many of your reviews. I agree will many of the things that you say. Deep Space Nine does seem very different from the other series. I love this show mostly because of those differences. However, I find it interesting that you say season 7 was horrible. That season was my favorite (Then again, I like Voyager and you don't). I would like to say one thing about your Voy and DS9. Voyager was constantly moving. And thus the writers could not make an enemy as complex as the Dominion.
WHAT do you have against TNG? Please tell me? Picard "just" a thinker? I'd prefer that to the mindless doing captain Archer was and I think sisko was too. Data was a great character too, and Worf- he's one of the most popular in all Trek, and as he's on two shows, he changes so much, from being introverted to being open and fierce, becoming a father, and finally getting married. You say you like character growth- how much more do you want?
Worfs life circumstances change, sure, but Worf him self can't/doesn't. I say cant because Worf doesn't rely have a character, he's basicaly a chatty cathy doll, you pull the string and he says pretty much the same three things.
As for him being a father, what did he ever do with that? All he ever realy said to alexander way "IT IS TIME TO EAT"... IT IS TIME TO GO TO BED." LOL.
I watched the episode where Kimtar was telling Alexander that if he learns to be a warrior he would always feel safe, and respect him self, and I YELLED: "THIS IS WHAT WORF SHOULD BE SYING TO HIM!" But as it was, the warf having a son arc just didn't go anywhere.
in ur comment about who gives a shit about worf read this comment someone made once about him. "I love how it lays out Worf's development that we see over the 11 years of his character. He was probably TNG's most interesting character, if only because he was the one that had any real conflict to it."
I think season 1 of DS9 was the main reason I thought not to get into Babylon 5: "Oh great! Not another boring-ass Deep Space 9!" And I was right...for the 1st season (of both shows).
But now that I think about it, I wonder if DS9 took some lessons from B5's successful episodic continuity. DS9 got good after B5 started getting good.
The only weak season is the first one. Your missing out on a lot from season two, and season seven worse than all of Voyager's combined?! It wasn't *that* bad. DS9 pushed boundaries, sure. But it's still a Star Trek because it features Star Trek races, nations, planets, etc. It simply took a different appraoch to accommodate present day trends, as the original series did.
Season 7 was disappointing... I loathed the fact they used the Prophets as a win button... it wasn't really acceptable the first time they did it but the second time just added insult to injury.
i have actully seen a comment somewhere about worf saying he is the most interesting character in start trek or at least tng anyways. and i thought it was interesting how he got to star in ds9 after tng was finshed lol.
main characters can die in star trek i mean tassa yar for example and jezdi dax both were 2 main characters who got killed off. and kes left at one point lol so that kinda counts as being killed off. i wont even go into the last episode of that other star trek show though:P.
I didn't mind the 1st and 2nd season, it was certainly nothing like TNG... The last season had its problems, but overall there was more good then bad IMO.
Unusually this time, I agree with you. DS9 was a great series, but it really did not resemble Star Trek at all. And I too thought it was cool when Sisko was promoted. Good review. Now for part 2...
Good review....but really?...Worf and Jadzia were cool.
Johnrl21 3 weeks ago
And Dax was great if only for her friendship with quark.
jgabriellam 1 month ago
Why all the hate on worf? Not the best character, but brought a lot to tng and ds9. Also, it is bs and unfair to say ds9 does not qualify as star trek. It's whole universe icluding cardies romulans vulcans ferengi and Klingons grew out of the canon established by tos and tng and the movies. I like your reviews, but just cuz ds9 surpassed it's predecessors in narrative scope and character depth doesn't mean it isn't ST. it was just better ST.
jgabriellam 1 month ago
Ziyal was a main character? I think not. Although, he may have meant Jadzia.
kurumako 1 month ago
fuckin dork
36328ie 3 months ago
@confusedmatthew You'll probably rage when I point this out but... Janeway got a promotion. >=)
crazy88boss 4 months ago
Worf FTW!!!!!!!!
Se7enBeatleofDoom 6 months ago
I give a shit about Worf.
DeftCrowMk3 8 months ago 9
matthew- get your facts right- Julian bashir was not a shapeshifter the whole time in the series prior to By Inferno light, the shapseshifter was only on ds9 for a few months, a few episodes of season 5
elcap22 8 months ago
@elcap22 I think he meant "the whole time Bashir was in a prison camp."
tardisbuff 6 months ago
I think part of the reason why the Dominion was such a fascinating adversary was that it was more or less a dark Federation, only more technologically advanced and led by shapeshifters. One could "join" the Dominion but not join the Klingons, Romulans, or even the Borg (without altogether losing your identity).
Matthew's critique of Voyager does not hold, though- how were the bad guys in Voyager any less appealing than those in TOS or TNG?
wijayapala 8 months ago
Um, you do realize that Spock was a Lieutenant Commander (if you ignore his stripes) in the first season of TOS. He was called that, at least.
In season 2 and 3, he was a Commander, in the movies (except for TMP) he was Captain, and in TNG, he's Ambassador.
The character of Spock went through a LOT of promotions, even though they're all off screen.
StoneKnivesBearskins 8 months ago
And BTW these are showing up in reverse order.
Anyway, I can only hope that you find me to be one of your more thoughtful commentators, and I hope you'll actually respond to me.
captainexcabier 11 months ago
You almost -almost- make it sound like a formulaic, canned, predictable, episodic style of storytelling the other Star Trek series used would actually be preferable, but that isn't what makes Star Trek what it is - it's about the characters. You know, what makes TNG and VOY so boring. You briefly mention how going to war somehow makes DS9 *not* Star Trek because that made it not about exploration anymore. But this is where I disagree with you.
captainexcabier 11 months ago
You see, the exploration is never about meeting some alien of the week, its about exploring some aspect of ourselves. When done badly, these allegories and parallels are completely obvious, and the message tends to get lost. When done well, it makes us think, because we aren't as distracted by the allegory.
As far as what the Dominion War and everything else about the show you felt made it not about exploration and therefore not Star Trek, I disagree.
captainexcabier 11 months ago
The war simply gives the show another means of exploring humanity. Conflict is an aspect of humanity, no matter how much Gene Roddenberry wanted to claim humanity was somehow above all that in the show. Personally that's why I feel so much of modern Trek has been boring, so I liked it when DS9 turned this on its head. As Sisko said, "it's easy to be an angel in paradise, but we're not in paradise."
captainexcabier 11 months ago
Conflict, especially war, takes people to their extremes as far as what they even think themselves capable of doing, and this is at its heart the same kind of exploration of the human condition that Star Trek has always been about. What would we, as what we consider to be a highly civilized and cultured people do if the shit hit the fan? Well, we certainly got a taste of that in more recent years, haven't we?
captainexcabier 11 months ago
And DS9 also managed to cover issues like the idea of dealing with homeless people by rounding them up and putting them in ghettos, out of sight, out of mind, before the idea had actually come up to actually do that in California.
See, the thing about your review is that it almost makes it seem like it has to be boring and predictable -bad things in my book- to be Star Trek, and I couldn't disagree more. DS9 was Star Trek done right, by people who cared about the show and what they made.
captainexcabier 11 months ago
So in my opinion, DS9 sets the standard for what Star Trek should be like, not TNG, and not even TOS anymore. TOS is a good starting point, but its style of storytelling is dated. Trying to do the same kind of canned, episodic, formulaic, predictable storytelling lead to how VOY and ENT turned out. ENT even seemed to think so, so they tried to do a season-long story arc themselves, and to their credit, it was probably that show's best season. It just didn't make sense in overall context.
captainexcabier 11 months ago
I give a shit about Worf! Worf Rocks HARD!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO As does Jadzia!
johnnygingign 1 year ago 2
Deep Space Nine has got to be one of my favourites of the new gen era. Why? becausw Ronald D Moore took charge of it and made it intresting.
martinf74 1 year ago
I think if you combined the good points of your review with the great human mirror of our own society, it would be a great show. Star trek DS9 is the only show I like because the characters are believable.
shots151 1 year ago
Characters to get promotions sometime on-screen:
Troi- Lieutenant Commander to Commander
Worf- Lieutenant to Lieutenant Commander
Geordi: Ensign to eventually Lieutenant Commander
Riker: Commander to Captain (temporary)
sfs2040 1 year ago
@sfs2040
Geordi was a helmsman. He was never an ensign onscreen.
InfernalApocalypse 1 year ago
@InfernalApocalypse
Correction: He was a Junior Lieutenant. My bad.
sfs2040 1 year ago
obrien is a pimp
theredsox333 1 year ago
btw: Work = Worf (sorry)
jesus316 1 year ago
In regards to promotions, TNG saw quite of few in terms of them either being given or offered.
Picard: Twice offered, but turned both down
Riker: Three times offered the rank of captain but turned them all down. Temperarly assumed captaincy of the Enterprise D
Troi: Became a commander during the last season
Work: Became a full lieutenant and chief of security
Laforge: Became a lieutenant commander & Chief of Engineer by the second season
Weasly Crusher (Sigh): Ensign
jesus316 1 year ago
TOS=Legendary
TNG=Great
DS9=Good
VOY=Poor
ENT=Disaster
Ah, vintage Confused Matthew...a bit off in this review, I think, but he WAS just starting out here, and we all know as Trek fans how bad the first few episodes can be... ;)
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago 2
"No one could ever envision a Captain Data, a Lieutenant Commander Spock, or an Ensign La Forge"
It's easy to envision all 3... just watch Yesterday's Enterprise, The Cage, and Encounter at Farpoint, respectively, and it's right in front of you.
TazG2000 1 year ago
I love TOS
I love TNG
I love DS9
The rest I try to forget.
digitalintent 1 year ago 3
@dankrug572 i saw his review of season 7 he points out stuff i missed. but at the same time i mean it was still pretty awsome granted i wish the serires had lasted longer.
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
ok i kind of understand where u are coming from. but this is why ds9 is the best star trek i think. because well its the most human. and is not affarid to branch out and explore other clutures like some episodes are 100% deadicated to the frugengi or seeing 2 diffrent aliens that are not humans intereact with each other is also amzing for example the bajaron oucupation. of coruse i am not saying its perfect. but its better then all the others.
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
guys don't pretend the character promotions in tos and tng were the same AT ALL. the tos characters were only ever promoted in the films, and the tng characters were only promoted for one episode or in alternate universes. it's essentially tv writing at its safest.
MrZingnigga 1 year ago
...though I do consider DS9 to be Star Trek in the most basic sense (just look at how well they fit into the TOS universe in "Trials and Tribble-ations". Though DS9 had an over-arching arc from season 3 onward, the series had plenty of singular episodes where there was a problem that required a solution by the end of the episode. I also don't consider the first 2 seasons to be poor replications of TNG. There were stinkers, but it had some of my favourite episodes, of any Trek (Duet - Jem'Hadar).
avenuePad 1 year ago
@avenuePad well 2 things in seasons 1 and 2 defense 1)it was doing what tng did the frist series trying to get its idententy right but at least it was using a simlar formula from tng. so it did not feel totaly out there. 2)secondly some episodes were not too bad and some of the aliens/villans of the week were not too bad like paraside just an example and yet there was still a feeling of this is bigger then just one ship like in tng.
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
Yeah, the whole changing ranks argument/observation isn't true at all. Spock was promoted to captain, Kirk was promoted to admiral twice, Scotty was promoted to captain, Chekov was promoted from ensign to commander and first officer of the Reliant, and Sulu was promoted through the ranks to finally captain of the Excelsior. Even on TNG the characters were promoted throughout the series and movies.
A pretty good review, though I do consider DS9 to be Star Trek in the most basic sense.
..con't
avenuePad 1 year ago
The following Trek regulars/recurring characters have held at least two ranks at some point in canonical appearances: Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, Riker, LaForge, Worf, Troi, Wesley, Ro Laren, Sisko, Kira, Jadzia, Ezri, Nog, Martok, Damar, Janeway, Tuvok, Paris.
aperson22222 1 year ago
ah ha I has found it.......no i was wrong......I dont agree with you.....looks like were ganna have to agree to disagree.....not even ganna bother watching part 2..........
godslittlediva 1 year ago
you present several things that are your opinions as fact. you make assumptions about everyones feelings and ideas on star trek aswell. i usually like your movie reviews but this was a rather poor review. I love deep space nine aswell but you seem to be of the opinion that no other show can be as great as it.
016899 1 year ago
Also you had Paris lose rank after an incident on an artificial planet, which he is then put into solitary confinement for 30 days, and is an ensign after that.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
"Nobody could ever invision a captain data"
Well maybe not that exact form, but for one thing, la forge is a captain in a voyager story arc, so you have to be a fuckin idiot to think rank changes are foreign to the show. Maybe to something like TNG, even though many of the future time arcs involve new captains(like Riker or Beverly Crusher).
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
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summerpup022 1 year ago
In voyager paris was demoted and the whole xindi arc of enterprise was really dark and you never saw it comeing at the end of season 2. I thought ds9 was interesting but sisko was such a bad protagonist he just went around punching people in the face.
prestruction 1 year ago
Did you just say that sissko was a better character than picard? And you basically said picard never took action when he thought out his plans. You have never watched TNG have you!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheShanediesel 1 year ago
@TheShanediesel well i honestly do think sissko is kind of better then picard to be honest. because i mean he is porably the most human out of all of them. picard and kirck are awsome but sissko well actully he porably has a bigger dick then both of them comibed to be honest. i dont see kirck or picard standing up to an empire like the dominon like sisko did infact in one episode picard like was oh i am letting u cardasins get away with shit cuz i dont want to start a war with youlol.
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
@thewewguy8t88 ok picard lets the cardassians get away with it but that is because he is ordered to keep the peace what ever the costs, even firing on another federation ship is not out of the question. and sissko doesn't start the war it is going to happen 1 way or another. besides if sissko was the superior comander he would command the enterprise, you no the flagship of the fleet rather than DS9.
TheShanediesel 1 year ago
i like warth
critic189 1 year ago
@critic189 i think you mean WORF
TheShanediesel 1 year ago
@TheShanediesel fare enough
critic189 1 year ago
"Dax... was Xena Warrior Princess in a green outfit". Green? Science officers have always worn blue. It doesn't even look green.
TerranRich 1 year ago
Matthew, you do realize that LaForge held three different ranks on TNG, right? Lt. Junior Grade, Lieutenant, and then Lt. Commander. The rank doesn't matter... the POSITION, however, does. Sisko kept his position as leader of DS9 consistently.
TerranRich 1 year ago
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great characters: Garak, Obrien, Quark, Odo, Rom, Weyoun, Morn,
so so characters: Bashir, Sisko, Nog, Worf, Martok, Kasidy, Eddington, Admiral Ross, Damar.
Horrible characters: Kira, Jadzia, Ezri, Winn, Bareil, Dukat, Jake, the prophets.
kakashi76767 1 year ago
Really, Kira & Dukat? Ouch...
meleniumshane90 1 year ago
Loved DS9 -- feel bad it's treated like Star Trek's poor cousin.
voteformitt 1 year ago
how can you say DS9 isn't Star Trek, it's the natural evolution of star trek. It's different yes, but it's retains enough of the spirit of Trek to deserve it's name
Ironzealot7531 1 year ago
@Ironzealot7531 thats what i felt like. it took star trek into a dark turn and for the most part it worked.
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
I had the stop the review 2 mins in. I forgot just how good this show was. I stopping so I can watch the box set before I hear anymore .
Joeybsmooth 2 years ago
worse than all the VOY shows put togeather?
holy shit that's bad. that's almost as bad as ENTERPRISE
Kargaroc286 2 years ago 2
i think that it is great that ds9 broke away from the other star treks, i never like tng or the original series anyway. Things actually happened in ds9, what happened one day affected things the next day; this never happened in any other star trek series except maybe enterprise.
sniperdude12a 2 years ago
Well TNG had some story arcs in them and some of the events in one episode(like Q who for example) caused the events in another(best of both worlds). And even if a series doesn't that doesn't mean that's it's inferior or bad or anything. In my opinion TOS, TNG and DS9 all have their strengths and weaknesses Personally I think the Twilight zone is the greatest sci-fi show and television show of all time and that series had no story arcs in it.
mummra4ever 1 year ago
@sniperdude12a yeah i agree and it had other characters other then just the main cast all the time figureing out the porblem with mabye the occainal guest star of the week
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
Of all the Star Trek series, I liked DS9 the best because they showed the characters personal lives more. This aloud me to imagine myself as apart of that world and the characters as my friends.
Delta4ms 2 years ago
@Delta4ms exactly.
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
ds9 delft like a bad knock off of B5. not bad just not as good. And it didn't feel like trek
frankenmuth1 2 years ago
Um, Didnt Geordie get promoted? He started off at the helm O__o
Holodiction 2 years ago 17
@Holodiction
Not to mention nearly everyone in TOS was promoted by the time the films came around :P
TheYahara 1 year ago
@Holodiction Yes, but his character and role completely changed when doing so. Sisco did it by actually growing into a higher rank.
trlkly 1 year ago
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BelowAbsoluteZero 2 years ago
Funny that you should mention Moonlighting since both Colm Meaney(O'Brien) & Andy Robinson(Garak) guest starred on that show. As both a DS9 & Moonlighting fan I must say I don't see any resemblance between them (ML was mostly a 2 character show, Maddie & David fought & made up more than any characters on Ds9 ever did and the show was clearly geared more towards screwball comedy than solid plots). Anyway, if any of you are curious about Robinson's performance on ML, you can see it on my channel.
Shadowboro2 2 years ago
Also, I don't get why you dislike Worf so much. To be honest he isn't in my top 5 Star Trek characters either(he's not even in my top 3 TNG characters),but I still think Michael Dorn did a great job portraying the klingon outcast, raised by human parents and torn between his loyalty to the federation and its ideals on one hand and the cultural heritage of his klingon bloodline on the other.Plus his volatile temper made him a great target for comic relief, as a many DS9 & TNG epsiodes have shown.
Shadowboro2 2 years ago
he mentioned in his review of Star Trek Generations that worf is a crappy character because he lives to do one of two things... Pontificate or get humiliated. It's boring and stupid.
Spikezx7 2 years ago
@Spikezx7 yeah i kind of felt way in tng at times but i mean worf does have his moments. but like i mean he has had like 3 true loves his life and 2 of them were killed and the other well they broke up off screen?
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
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elcap22 2 years ago
I think I'm right in saying that Spock WAS a lieutenant commander in TOS. He was a commander in the first movie and a captain from the second movie on.
blert88 2 years ago
Wooden Log and a Wet Sponge
ahaha
TheDarkFrontier 2 years ago
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it's all true but let's face it typical star trek sucks
sniperdude12a 2 years ago
"WHo gives a shit about Worf?"
......fuck you!
rabbitkeeper 2 years ago 2
I remember this and enjoyed it but I felt that its was somewhat over shadowed by Babylon 5 with had simular themes and a bigger budget. DS9 had its moments.
almanacofsleep 2 years ago
I loved Babylon 5.
Teraneo 2 years ago
I think you got it all wrong, it was the other way around; DS9 had a bigger budget per episode than B5, which is clearly noticeable in the rather poor quality of B5's sets and the crappy (and I do mean CRAPPY) CGI (while DS9 used a lot of models which were much more realistic but also more expensive than CGI). But the fact that B5 manage to overcome the limitations of their small budget & become (at times) a lot better than DS9 was a testament to the dedication & skill of those involved with it.
Shadowboro2 2 years ago
decent character breakdown
tos-all of them of course
next gen- picard, la forge
ds9- quark, rom
voyager- seven, emh, tuvok
enterprise- trip
icarus3375 2 years ago
Zee Ell (spelling) was not a main character. Beyond this and my other post, I agree with the rest. This show was brilliant.
cpmiz 2 years ago
It's amazing what happens when you're on a space station at a worm hole. Second, promotions happened in TNG. Next, you can't compare because this was supposed to be different - IT'S NOT A TRAVELING SHIP. And the Dominion War was brilliant. BTW it was not new at all - they foreshadowed it in TNG.
cpmiz 2 years ago
You went on about the promotion like its never happened before, LeForge was an ensign when he was conn officer, promoted to lt.Jr Grade. He was promoted to full Lieutenant when he was transferred to engineering and made chief engineer. He was then promoted again to Lt. Commander. Worf also gets several promotions during the show having joined the Ent-D as lieutenant jr. grade, by the time he's moved to DS9 he's Lt. Commander. They just never made as big a deal out of it.
DarthSutekh 2 years ago
That comment about season 7 being worse than all of Voyager...
the 10, or however many it was, parter to conclude the series was awsome man
threat20 2 years ago
I feel like the Dominion-esque sorta thing was kinda going in Voyager, if only it had been handled differently. The Kazon tribal sects and their street-gang like struggle with each other could have been really intelligently done, and in several key moments were, but overall they fell victim to being formulated for story with them just following what the story needed them to do, rather than the other way around with story being made and shaped around their actions.
CaptainRedHook 2 years ago
It was THE Star Trek. TOS was total crap!!! Okay, TNG was better, but ALL seasons are absolutely Trek. TOS is no Trek. Cause it has more inconsistencies than anything should have!
Friedebarth 2 years ago
When I watched DS9 for the first time, I was absolutely glued to my tv every time I replayed the episodes I had taped while I was in middle school. By the time Sisko had announced his plan to retake DS9, I was contemplating ditching school to watch it as soon as it aired. Then, THOSE BASTARDS AT SPIKE TV SKIPPED AN EPISODE AND SHOWED THE STATION ALREADY TAKEN BACK BY THE FEDERATION!
Ruined the whole thing.
irreverentmoose 2 years ago 2
Chicks dig Worf. :)
MetalManni 2 years ago 7
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there's no way this dude ever got laid
funghool 2 years ago
Didn't Wesley and Troy get promoted? Deanna Trois promotion was actually the plot of an episode...
But apart from that...you're right. I particularly like the fact that Worf screws up his chances on EVER getting a commando on his own on DS9. Wonder if they gonna stick to that decision...
damanhl 2 years ago
Matthew, if DS9 was done the same way as TOS, it would have been TOS...for Pete's sake, it's a different show!
sberg81 2 years ago
Hard to have a lasting conflict on Voyager when the whole point of the show was for them to get home. In otherwords, they kept moving from system to system, and that is why the writers had to keep coming up with new aliens.
sberg81 2 years ago
but that's not terribly realistic. In the course of their travels they should have encountered some aggressive species where crossing their territory would take months. None of the voyager villians were ever that menacing, the kazon were laughable, the vidians were ok but not sustainable, the borg became weak in the wake of first contact.
Species 8472 had great potential but they killed that one off too soon. I admit some of the one off aliens were great like those we saw in distant origins
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Worf was my favorite character in that series next to sisco. Whats wrong with Worf? I though it gave an awsome oppurtunity to better explore and understand the Klingons and their culture.
archangel316 3 years ago
But the Klingons are so one-dimensional.
ClockWork82 2 years ago
I remember when they weren't.
jfridy 2 years ago
Worf and Geordi in TNG were both promoted in between the 1st and 2nd seasons. They were both junior grade lieutenants before.
The very nature of Voyager wouldn't allow for the intricate weaving of plot that DS9 was privileged to have since Voyager was supposed to be in a constant state of motion, and DS9 stayed put.
I liked Jadzia and Worf. Sisko always used Dax as a sounding board for all his ideas which is necessary for TV sometimes. He relied on her 7 lifetimes of experience and wisdom.
tgbotg 3 years ago
"The very nature of Voyager wouldn't allow for the intricate weaving of plot that DS9 was privileged to have since Voyager was supposed to be in a constant state of motion, and DS9 stayed put"
Character development and story arcs have nothing to do with location, and everything to do with paying attention to where you're going and where you've been. Something that the writers of Voyager and Enterprise had no idea how to do, nor any interest in doing. It has do with characters being people.
commandox20 2 years ago
commandox30, while it's true that character development and story arcs are possible in a show like Voyager, it would have to be done differently than DS9. The only recurring cast could (or should) be the members of the crew (and Barclay, lol), and that limits the overall story richness. I'm not trying to defend Voyager. I, too, thought it was awful, but we shouldn't think it worse than it was.
psst ... I wouldn't mentioned Enterprise ... Matthew doesn't like that very much, lol ....
tgbotg 2 years ago
How would having the only recurring characters being the main cast limit story telling? You don't have to line up some kind of a master plan,as long as previous episodes are kept in the back of the writers minds so that if any moment comes up where you're treading over already covered ground you can have the characters act and react logically. Story and character arcs arent just big things, they can be subtle - and often work better that way. (Take Babylon 5, or a newer show would be "House.")
commandox20 2 years ago
Dude, you are trying waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too hard to be like the angry video game nerd. Trekkie trash.
GODCONVOYPRIME 3 years ago
he sounds nothing like avgn. he doesn't curse like avgn, he doesn't get too angry, (except on the lion king reviews) and he doesn't have over the top editing.
Spikezx7 2 years ago
I agree with you on your credit, but there's nothing to criticize:
a) Yep, it wasn't like Star Trek before. It was a MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT of Star Trek. I mean, TOS is stupid anyway, but TNG, under its wish to resemble realism, has been rightfully kicked in its a** if you mind. (not saying that TNG wasn't great)
2) Ziyal was no different to Tasha Yar.
3) Dax was great. A new race to explore *yay*
4) I give a shit about Worf. I love the klingon eps...
CmdrWilliamRiker 3 years ago
"TOS is stupid anyway."
I would kirk-punch you if I were not a man of peace and wisdom.
commandox20 2 years ago 3
well, with most of your comments I agree with you, and I also agree with celtcarchie on him/her saying "yes it was a start trek show, in fact definitely the BEST star trek show"
pawpaw104 3 years ago
Yes Star Trek Deep Space Nine was a Star Trek show, in fact definitely the BEST Star Trek show.
celticarchie 3 years ago 3
You didn't like Dax? I knew you were a homo.
japattack2005 3 years ago
the battles are cool
daniel12344567 3 years ago
You NEVER give TNG anywhere near the credit it's due, CM.
What do you have against Picard: so he's not a sex amiac and not trigger happy like Kirk, and not ruthless like Sisko (who I'd NEVER want as a captain, I'd rather Kirk the comrade or Picard the patriarch, not Sisko the cold and almost cold-blooded in my opinion.)
Picard was a thinking-man's captain, a strategist who utilized the whole team, not just a few like Kirk (I like both equally, by the way, no Picard-Kirk war intended.)
obiwanobiwan13 3 years ago
Data was.... well, we all know he's awesome. Riker and Troi....... a little dull and not as good as other Trek officers, but not terrible and at least not annoying (ex. NEELIX and WESLEY.)
I LIKED Worf- good two-worlds, one man conflict, a bit like Spock's human-Vulcan conflict, just with a muscular Klingon who's introverted instead ot a logical Vulcan. Beverly I liked, and Geordi- and Q was a brilliant guest villian.
(And Geordi and Worf were promoted, too.)
TNG>DS9 (But both good)
obiwanobiwan13 3 years ago
I agree with sooo much stuff in this video except worf. Worf may have been a 2 dimentional character with crap lines and little backstory in TNG (which i hated btw, and DS9 is my fav series). However, in DS9 his character was given the opporotunity to expand and develop into someone just as believeable and dynamic as Sisko. Worf (DS9) = Worf (TNG) * 10
crimsonninja6995 3 years ago
Dude the first season KICKED ASS! No TNG rip off at all though I like both.
The last season wasn't bad, Voyager sucked!
DEP717 3 years ago 2
DS9 was made as a Star trek knock off of Babylon5, The one thing that makes DS9 stand out is character development , All the characters were well developed and very deep even reoccurring characters like Garak, It had taken them untill season 4 to figure what there doing.
Jizuschrist 3 years ago
DS9 came before Babylon 5. Babylon 5 was episodical at first. Both of them took their time to mature.
LindaDanvers 3 years ago
They came out at the same time, Babylon 5 was in development before DS9, They managed to launch a year ahead of Babylon-5.
J. Michael Straczynski, Shopped around his Babylon-5 concept in search of a studio willing to buy into it, There is a claim that Rick Berman and paramount stole his premise and retooled into a star trek show.
Jizuschrist 3 years ago 2
A lot of things are claimed. There is no reason why both of them could not have come up with the idea independently. It is not as if either of them invented the concept "space station". Space stations have appeared in SF stories and films for a long time.
LindaDanvers 3 years ago
DS9 is a Babylon 5 rip off. However, they were both good shows. Babylon 5 was never episodic though.
philyburkhill 3 years ago
war good. dukats ever changing character bad.
agree the first series dragged on
coaxis314 3 years ago
the time you spent in making this review you should have spent outside and get some fresh air...nuts
aayla1988 3 years ago
... I give a shit about Worf
thebigt82 3 years ago 23
The 7th season was bad???? Wow you really were watching a different show to me.
scytherinc 3 years ago 3
Just wanted to let you know Matthew, you misspelled "Trek" "Threk" in the information section of your video
Gerthonex 3 years ago
matthew...you are a dumb fuck. LUCY LAWLESS PLAYED XENA...TERRY FARRELL PLAYED DAX!!!
jmrudd1980 3 years ago
thats why I like DS9 more than the rest of the star trek shows, characters that are both thinkers and doers, not just thinkers (crying picard)
hisoj 3 years ago 11
What's with the screwed up sound at the beginning of this and the Nemesis reviews? bad mic? otherwise good job!
XSC3 3 years ago
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look you bitchy whiny shithead! IF YOU HATE STAR TREK DONT GIVE IT A BOTHER! I HOPE U GET ASSIMILATED!!!!!!!!
Darth305 3 years ago
he does like star trek
keridog1 3 years ago
ROFL..."I hope you get assilmilated". Quite a witty retort.
BottleHoward 3 years ago
Data was a captian.
Klingons should have won...worf kicked ass in that fight episode.
xtheshame 3 years ago
Data being a Captain was only a one-off thing, and nothing really happened. Him being a Captain ALL the time is just hard to imagine.
MrMcChicken 3 years ago
Data would be a fine. he has mega strength.
xtheshame 3 years ago
My mom loved this Star Trek series the most.^^ And after watching this I kinda wished I watch some more of it with her. -.-
golfclubwwe 3 years ago
I read that they needed a way to seperate it from Voyager which was airing at the same time.
Also Jadzia was much more of a main charecter than Zieal was, yet you didn't mention her death. Only cause you don't like her?
divad838 3 years ago 2
granted, a lot of the first and second season were crap. but it was all character development, and i've found that nearly every episode has an important character developing aspect for at least one character.
the first episode i thought was pretty amazing. "in the hands of the prophets", the final episode of the first season where wyn tries to shut down keiko's school; this is what hte first two seasons really accomplished, shedding an intense amount of light on bajoran society.
genesayssitdown 3 years ago
Ronald d moore FTW
Hubbleknarf 3 years ago
I've seen many of your reviews. I agree will many of the things that you say. Deep Space Nine does seem very different from the other series. I love this show mostly because of those differences. However, I find it interesting that you say season 7 was horrible. That season was my favorite (Then again, I like Voyager and you don't). I would like to say one thing about your Voy and DS9. Voyager was constantly moving. And thus the writers could not make an enemy as complex as the Dominion.
FairHavenTommyboy 3 years ago 3
This has to be the most boring ¨review¨ Ive ever watched. Trekkies are lame.
inmendholevision1 3 years ago
Here I go again, confusedmatthew, disagreeing:
WHAT do you have against TNG? Please tell me? Picard "just" a thinker? I'd prefer that to the mindless doing captain Archer was and I think sisko was too. Data was a great character too, and Worf- he's one of the most popular in all Trek, and as he's on two shows, he changes so much, from being introverted to being open and fierce, becoming a father, and finally getting married. You say you like character growth- how much more do you want?
obiwanobiwan13 3 years ago
Gotta jump in here about Worf, LOL.
Worfs life circumstances change, sure, but Worf him self can't/doesn't. I say cant because Worf doesn't rely have a character, he's basicaly a chatty cathy doll, you pull the string and he says pretty much the same three things.
As for him being a father, what did he ever do with that? All he ever realy said to alexander way "IT IS TIME TO EAT"... IT IS TIME TO GO TO BED." LOL.
xSpectatoronex 3 years ago
CONT.
I watched the episode where Kimtar was telling Alexander that if he learns to be a warrior he would always feel safe, and respect him self, and I YELLED: "THIS IS WHAT WORF SHOULD BE SYING TO HIM!" But as it was, the warf having a son arc just didn't go anywhere.
So theres my 2 cents.
Cheers mate.
xSpectatoronex 3 years ago
in ur comment about who gives a shit about worf read this comment someone made once about him. "I love how it lays out Worf's development that we see over the 11 years of his character. He was probably TNG's most interesting character, if only because he was the one that had any real conflict to it."
thewewguy8t88 3 years ago
I think season 1 of DS9 was the main reason I thought not to get into Babylon 5: "Oh great! Not another boring-ass Deep Space 9!" And I was right...for the 1st season (of both shows).
But now that I think about it, I wonder if DS9 took some lessons from B5's successful episodic continuity. DS9 got good after B5 started getting good.
QuartuvLarry 3 years ago
love ds9
duncan01234 3 years ago
In my book Siscko was a way better captain then Picard(not Kirk)
alxzanki 3 years ago
The only weak season is the first one. Your missing out on a lot from season two, and season seven worse than all of Voyager's combined?! It wasn't *that* bad. DS9 pushed boundaries, sure. But it's still a Star Trek because it features Star Trek races, nations, planets, etc. It simply took a different appraoch to accommodate present day trends, as the original series did.
crouteru 3 years ago 2
I will tell you where the star trek is in deep space nine,its in seasons 1 and 2 really and then comes the war.
trekkie08 3 years ago
What's wrong with Dax and Worf? They were awesome imo
Ilovetubezz 3 years ago 3
Worf was cool, but I really wanted Dax to die and stay dead.
pytko3 3 years ago
what happened in season 7?
duncan01234 3 years ago
Season 7 was disappointing... I loathed the fact they used the Prophets as a win button... it wasn't really acceptable the first time they did it but the second time just added insult to injury.
ProphetTenebrae 3 years ago
In TNG a main character died too.
Data254 3 years ago 2
Yeah,if you mean Tasha Yar it was because they had to write her out of the show.
Data's death was to end the TNG movies.
OneCovenant4All 3 years ago
and by the same rule they had to write dax out too because of a dispute between the actress and the show
u2atomicbomb 3 years ago
I thought Ferrel just wanted to leave DS9 so she could do Becker. Which is kinda insulting, Becker better than DS9? Humph!
MadamGul 3 years ago
B 5 is far better
badhead 3 years ago
dude,review season 7 soon!!!
elwalsho 3 years ago
i have actully seen a comment somewhere about worf saying he is the most interesting character in start trek or at least tng anyways. and i thought it was interesting how he got to star in ds9 after tng was finshed lol.
thewewguy8t88 3 years ago
main characters can die in star trek i mean tassa yar for example and jezdi dax both were 2 main characters who got killed off. and kes left at one point lol so that kinda counts as being killed off. i wont even go into the last episode of that other star trek show though:P.
thewewguy8t88 3 years ago
The last episode technically doesn't count. If you're going to go by that, you could say Sisko was killed off in "What you Leave Behind".
NewFrontiers01 3 years ago
true. and confused matthew dose think dax dieing was just dumb and perictable but then worf and her are the only 2 characters he hated.
thewewguy8t88 3 years ago
Why did Voyager and Enterprise have to ruin Star Trek?
I hope the new movie changes things back round...
bloodrunsclear 3 years ago
I don't see what the big problem is with voyager.
NewFrontiers01 3 years ago
The main issue I took with it was Neelix who was one of the worst characters ever.
bloodrunsclear 3 years ago
just a terribly written show, with little to no character development.
eyelark 3 years ago
I didn't mind the 1st and 2nd season, it was certainly nothing like TNG... The last season had its problems, but overall there was more good then bad IMO.
RichGilly 3 years ago 2
did you just quote depeche mode in your review? LOL! fave song as well!
mojo96 3 years ago
Nice review, spot on about seasons 1 & 2 being rubbish, although I thought season 7 was pretty good....
bensquid 3 years ago
Is the sound messed up on this video?
jjdaly 3 years ago
I so want a t-shirt that says "Who gives a shit about Worf?" XD
SnarkLicker 3 years ago
actually,i like worf but someone i know has a t-shirt with worfs growling face on it and the words:''who let the dogs out?''written on it.lol.
elwalsho 3 years ago
omg that is exactly what i was gunna say hahaha
Sentinal3131 3 years ago
DS9 was supposed to show the more political side of Star Trek....that's what I thought.
True Voyager was boring...but DS9 kept me up from season 1 to 7 ...they also had the best star trek series intro...I find.
alxzanki 3 years ago
Unusually this time, I agree with you. DS9 was a great series, but it really did not resemble Star Trek at all. And I too thought it was cool when Sisko was promoted. Good review. Now for part 2...
mashdoctor 3 years ago