Am confused-- isn't it natural for every person to think their particular race is the best? I mean, if you had mind-reading spectacles, isn't that what you would see?
That's not the issue. It's elevating that sentiment to a feeling of entitlement, that if you are not in fact in the best position as a race then you need to take action to lower others. This ideology doesn't lead to pride, but rather to self-loathing.
LOL a young fucktard kid who calls himself a "man" getting owned with some satire & his arguement getting picked apart by a real man.this is funny no matter what race they are.LOL did the kid ever make a response to this?
lol Just had to add this,the kid is probably one of those deniers that say the moon landing was a hollywood hoax,yes even today people think the moon landing was a hoax.
@slavsyarus1 hmmm that is what the book said. stating that jews have an advantage over whites. in turn you, dissapoint me. This is my last response so I am going to keep it short. I hate people who hate other people. there is no reason for it. we all are human. we hurt, we bleed we feel, we want offspring and let them live a good life.
@slavsyarus1 Your so called "book" said to deny jews to go to post highschool. That is absurd, idiotic. Jews have genetic traits with above average verbal intelligience? no not all do, I admit. but the fact you call that evolution is...... retarded absolutly retarded. And its sad, really sad.
@slavsyarus1 The fact you would deny anyone the right to an education is beyond me. An "Above-Average verbal intelligence" means you know what the fuck your talking about. And thats what we,as humans, do. We usually stripmine a place. Now when you understand the failures of humanity, please let me know. Untill we meet again.Si vos reputo parumper minute .... dicens: "Anti-Racism = Anti-Nepos 'est ipsum pretium. ut esset album Racism esset. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet ignoramous
@slavsyarus1 Me? a kook? lol I am not a kook. I thought the subject of religon was intersting. We are entitiled to a vast amount of knowledg and I want it. Do I belive in god? Is the world 10,000 years old? Hell no!
@slavsyarus1 Oh,and I suppose your Albert FUCKIN einestien? Say ,did you know that the polio Vaccine was developed by a jew? and that he never patentd it? Yup his name was Jonas Salk. He later spent his Final Years in his lab trying to find a cure for AIDS.
@slavsyarus1: He isn't a hypocrite, he is admitting that we're stupid. Which is true, white people are stupid, people are stupid. It's being truthful to yourself and not being in denial. But then again, I wouldn't think twice that the idea of accepting who you're would be able to get into that brain of yours, amerikkunt..
@Pinochimon Wow, that's... really racist. im not going to lie. i check your channel sometimes because after you left those ridiculous comments on my videos, i wanted to see if your just naturally like this. and i have to admit, you don't make me feel ashamed to be a while person. you make me feel ashamed to be called human. because that means that we have something in common. Which is like saying I'm Hitler's cousin.
Identifying yourself as white is also an attack on the white race. White people don't try to tell jews that we are jews too since we have the same skin color. And jews don't get to tell us who is white.
Apples and oranges. Popping into someone's comment thread to call them a name clearly designed as a personal insult is not equivalent to ever using a word in any context. I don't care what words a person has ever "openly used," but I do care greatly how people use their words. Get over yourself.
If you put your content on Youtube, it is open to criticism. Most educational theory, though, would posit that it is kids who can benefit the most from correction, and who are most harmed by not being corrected.
@mindprism also all those geniuses got most of their knowledge from nonwhites. Socrates for example got is wisdom from the Egyptians as well as other eastern thinkers. Btw no pyramids in Europe. Either way if the west closed itself off from the rest of world it would eventually fail because of the ideas that would not be exchanged. Melanin or lack there of does not genius. I meanthe funny thing you are doing exactly what the Amazing Athiest and Friendough made videos about.
@leopard6984 {Socrates for example got is wisdom from the Egyptians as well as other eastern thinkers.}
According to who?
{Melanin or lack there of does not genius.}
Thank you for showing your lack of understanding of the assertions being put forth here. This has nothing to do with melanin, we are talking about population groups.
You should at least review the discussion before opining and making assumptions about what is being asserted.
@leopard6984 {Socrates for example got is wisdom from the Egyptians as well as other eastern thinkers.}
According to who?
{Melanin or lack there of does not genius.}
Thank you for showing your lack of understanding of the assertions being put forth here. This has nothing to do with melanin, we are talking about population groups.
You should at least review the discussion before opining and making assumptions about what is being asserted.
The reason blacks tend not to do well and the Jews do is this, the bastardization of culture. Jews have had a cultural heritage that goes back 6,000 years, black African's even longer, but due to enslavement in the Americas they were made to forget language, customs, religion, and anything else that tied them to their homeland to prevent slave revolts like in Haiti or Brazil. Everytime blacks try to get ahead in life whites do everything short of murder to halt it.
@leopard6984 {due to enslavement in the Americas they were made to forget language, customs, religion}
Nope, sorry, there are plenty of irreligious Jews who are emancipated from Judaism and those tribal ways who are still very successful -- in fact, it is these Jews who are in the majority of successful Jews.
Shedding your culture and becoming an American doesn't make you a failure.
@mindprism the world at large goes through ups and downs for example during the middle ages Europe was by and large a literal shithole because they didn't know how to dispose of waste, 2 more than 90% of Europe's population was illiterate, and 3 it was run by people who scoffed at economic, intellectual freedom, as well as spiritual freedom. What got them out of this, knowledge from Moors, Arabs, and other nonwhites from the east.
Oh btw I'd like to point out this about west that eurocentrists seem to forget, everything in this universe goes through cycles. Balance is key, for example kingdoms no matter where they are have uptides and downtides, yesterday the power was in europe now it's in east asia. Power is fluid, daosim 101, be like water and adapt. Things change and if you stick to one concept it becomes outdated like the concept of white supremacy for example.
@leopard6984 {Things change and if you stick to one concept it becomes outdated like the concept of white supremacy for example.}
Yea, and giraffes become elephants, and there is no reality or truth, its all just a crazy mixed up world, etc, etc.
If you're such a big fan of cycles, maybe you want to tell me about that phase in the cycles where everyone was kind and loving, and there was no war or fighting on the planet. You know, where the meek inherited the Earth and all that jazz.
@leopard6984 {it becomes outdated like the concept of white supremacy for example.}
Oh yes, I forgot to mention. If you take the time to read my postings you might notice I am NOT advocating "white supremacy" -- but rather recognize, as far as IQ goes, it is:
Africans<Europeans<Asians<Ashkenazi Jews
So, you have a problem with your accusation that I am outdated due to my advocation of white supremacy.
I have to call you out on the TV invented by an American, John Logie Baird ( a scotsman) invented the Television... admittedly it wasn't electronic but he got there first before Filo T Farnsworth ( did I get that right?) who's version WAS electronic
Philo Farnsworth is generally credited with inventing the television, but I was previously unaware of John Logie Baird. A number of people have dropped this correction in, but that wasn't really my point, of course. The scientific and technological advances we all enjoy are the result of cooperation across boundaries, continents, languages, and races. Science is the domain of mankind, not a single nation. Thanks for the comment!
@Friendough maybe Americans favour Farnsworth and us brits favour Baird just because of our respective nationalities, and yes I know that's not the point you were making I was just being a pedantic prick! lol I actually agree with everything you say in this video, and thank you for taking the time to make it. I have subscribed and look forward to your future uploads.
@Mindprism as black man I must say your take on black people is just funny. You do realize that blacks are the most diverse people on earth, even in America? For every Lil Wayne there's also a Dr. Chieke Ante Diop, Dr. John Henrik Clarke, Malcolm X, Lupe Fiasco, Will Smith, Bernard Harris(astronaut), Dr. Ben Carson. As a whole the average black person on earth actually speaks more languages than your average white.
Also I'd like to make this point about Africa. Even with colonialism and everything else there are parts of Africa that shit on parts of Europe. For example, Botswana which btw is not run by whites has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Ghana has been civilized longer than most European nations. We forget that Bosnia a white country had a problem with war about 15 years ago with Serbia.
@leopard6984 {Botswana which btw is not run by whites has one of the fastest growing economies in the world.}
Botswana has been a British protectorate from 1885-1964. The British set up Botswana advisory councils. It is very rich in diamonds and minerals and so the law of small numbers is naturally going to give it an impressive growth rate percentage.
Botswana government is carrying out genocidal policies against Bushmen in order to obtain diamonds.
@leopard6984 {Even with colonialism and everything else there are parts of Africa that shit on parts of Europe} Per capita PPP income/IQ Poorest country in Europe: Moldava: 3,092/96 (Communist) Richest country in Africa: Equatorial Guinea: 9,100/59 (Oil) Poores country in Asia: Afghanistan: 700/84
@Friendough your video is brilliant. It's like this, I'm black I admit western civilization has giving us cool things, but they would not be possible without the folks in the east or the south. Like you said before with Sun Tzu and gun powder. Kinetic linking in hand to hand combat are products of India and China(kung fu). Daoism and taichi are the precursors to binary code. Coffee some europeans love so much comes from Ethiopia.
Thanks! I think we, as a species, are at our best when we don't discard or dismiss ideas just because of where they came from. Everyone can add something to the whole of human knowledge, and that's where the advances in our collective civilization come from every day. Everyone brings something to the table, and dismissing them because of their race or country of origin is like shooting yourself in the foot.
9/11? Everyone knows south tower was a government conspiracy, tower 2 was a terrorist attack(dang muslims...) and tower 7 was an insurance scam, i mean come on kid, at least search the web before you form baseless opinions.... sheeesh...
Ha! That's great use of the Halloween theme song! I see quite a few dislikes for this video. A lot of fan boys and girls of MM4 must have watched this video.
@Mikkedev Ha, CULTURE. What you said about the British and French made me crack up a . That was one thing I heard about Burying the dead and taking shits and eating them. Same with the rat Infestation. Now Lets go to Africa during that time. You had every Mineral, Salt, Gold, You think you taste real salt In the States? Africa Had the real salt, along with Animals, Flowing Rivers. I am The Opposite of a racist. But We have to say the truth. And It shouldn't be referred to as Racism.
@Mikkedev Mindprism Isn't the smartest guy, Europe Use to Eat rats, their own shit. They even thought alcohol was water at a time, Which is where the Whole "Irish can hold their liquor" Joke comes from..A lot people didn't know that...This explanation is also a cut up Version of what you'd read In History. I just got to the point.
@lordvoldemort578 {Mindprism Isn't the smartest guy, Europe Use to Eat rats}
Africans are STILL eating Africans, smart guy.
The only two countries in Africa which have not experienced "evil colonialism" are Liberia and Ethiopia. Why don't you go and check out how those two shitholes compare to those who were colonized and get back to me.
@mindprism Europe Has the Biggest Human Trafficking ring They Net In the 10's of Billions, man Export Is Child Prostitution. Armenia, Albania and Macedonia are on the International Monetary Fund's list of the poorest countries eligible for assistance.They are also on the World Food Programme's list of low income countries that have low incomes and are unable to produce enough food for their populations. In Serbia, one third of people live below the poverty line. These are Not Black influenced.
And Africans rape infants and young virgins believing it will cure their VD. Most of the current slavery in the world (there are more slaves in the world than there has ever been) exist in Asia and Africa.
According to the ILO, Africa has the highest percentage of child labourers in the world with 80 million or 41% of African children that work
In Nigeria, one ILO report found that 40% of the street children and hawkers were trafficking victims.5 An ILO/UNICEF report released in March 2002 states that eight million Nigerian children are enduring the worst forms of child labour.6 These children serve as domestic servants, beggars, street hawkers, agricultural labourers and prostitutes.
@lordvoldemort578 Meanwhile, child prostitution is on the rise across Africa, fuelled by the prevailing erroneous belief that sex with a virgin will cure HIV/AIDS or that sex with a child decreases the likelihood of contracting HIV/AIDS or another sexually transmitted disease. Molo Songololo, a prominent child rights non-governmental organisation (NGO), estimated that there are at least 28,000 children in commercial sexual exploitation in South Africa’s urban centres
@mindprism A Whooping 28,000 Against a Industry across Europe that nets In the Billions. The Human trafficking ring In Europe Nets In the Billions, Off Not Only their Own People, But other People from different Countries.Yeah, White People In Europe Are so Serious about sticking tight with their own..HAHA. My Point being Simple. Africa Isn't the only country fucked up, There are white countries that are fucked up too.
@kylem1112 {You know why Africa is such a shithole compared to europe? }
Africa was a shithole before they even got there. Why do you think it was so easy for a relative handful of foreigners to take over? Its because they were more advanced and more intelligent, by far.
@mindprism It wasn't necesarily a shithole.... Africa still had empires. Were they not as industrialized as the europeans, no, but that's because africa wasn't trying to take over the whole world. they were fine chilling in africa they had resources that they traded to europeans. I wouldn't say the europeans were more intelligent... just more determined, selfish, and hungry for money and power. that's why they had better weapons, because they traded all over the place for their king.
@kylem1112 {I wouldn't say the europeans were more intelligent}
if one were to draw a line from the boot of Italy to London England and take a swath 300 miles east and west you would find, over history, 95% of the geniuses of the world. Art, music, literature, mathematics, physics, inventions ; you name it.
Just one thing wrong here mate. The inventors/engineers concept of a 'television' was not invented in the US. Most of the early work on TV's was done by scientists in Germany, Russia and Hungary, I believe. The first commercially viable (ready for general broadcast, easy to operate etc.) 'television sets' using electronic scanning tech. was created by an American scientist.
I'm not sure any one person 'invented' the idea of a transmittable picture with sound, probably a dream of science fiction.
Lots of people have pointed this out, and it is completely true. Of course, the point was just for the sake of argument, and not meant to be taken as an argument on its own. The rapid explosion of growth in science and technology seen over the last century is not the result of individual countries, races, or cabals, but of individuals of all nationalities, races, and social status, contributing their ideas and finding them judged on their merit, not on who had the idea.
@Friendough Of course this is still true. it would be the same if a modern German, say, claimed this. Your point obviously still stands. Also, I would also like to emphisise the way in which pre WWI and WWII the well know scientific and academic cooperation between the nations was actually quite common post renaissance Europe. So many inventions are multinational in origin when historians are being honest.
This boys historical ignorance is far more astounding than this small detail....
@Christopholaes {So many inventions are multinational in origin when historians are being honest.}
It is undeniable that if one were to draw a line from the boot of Italy to London England and take a swath 300 miles east and west you would find, over history, 95% of the geniuses of the world. Art, music, literature, mathematics, physics, inventions ; you name it.
@Friendough Great, then pony up the chinese equivalents of:
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Emanuel Swedenborg, Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, Leonardo da Vinci, John Stuart Mill, Blaise Pascal, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Bobby Fischer, Galileo Galilei, René Descartes, Madame De Stael, Immanuel Kant, Linus Carl Pauling, Sofia Kovalevskaya, Thomas Chatterton, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans), Nicolaus Copernicus, Olof Palme, Rembrandt van Rijn, Anna Lindh, George Sand
OMFG that is hysterical! Give you a list of names you wouldn't recognize that are as important to Western culture as the names you've listed? That's retarded. However, here's a brief primer: Confucius, the most influential political thinker in human history, Sun Tzu, whose military ideas are still consulted by Western militaries, Ge Hong, an alchemist who wrote a comprehensive treatise on gunpowder in 300 AD, Shen Kuo, who wrote about true north, magnets, and dry docks in 1088 AD...
@mindprism Some of these guys were influenced by Egyptian, Persian, and Indian philosophers and mathematicians. Did you know that the concept of zero was invented in India, along with infinity and many of the modern concepts used in maths today to explain wonderful things in physics. Without these ideas our maths would be centuries behind. Are Indian 'white' as well?
An interesting question. United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind
By the late-2nd millennium BC offshoots of the Proto-Indo-Europeans had reached Anatolia, the Aegean, Western Europe, and the Iranian plateau;[1] they reached northern India later.
Southern Indians tend to be Australoid. Eastern Indians tend to be Mongoloid and Northern Indians tend to be Caucasian. India is probably the most racially diverse place in the world.
@mindprism I'm sorry mate, but I'm not going to even entertain this attempt at pure sophistry. Your going to suggest it's the 'white' in them that makes them smart, right?
Ancient Indians, if 'race' exists in the terms you couch it, then 'white' would not apply at ALL.
Have you met many Sri-Lankans, they are preported by anthropologists to be descended from the older tribes of India. They are darker than most African Americans, on average. With recognisably 'Indian' facial features.
@Friendough {isn't cited by anyone outside of the racist community.}
Well, no, it hasn't because everyone who cites it becomes a member of the "racist community". Catch 22.
Do you contend that the US IQ scores there are fraudulent? Then say so, and provide proof. I know thats a lot harder to do than screaming "racist", but I have confidence that your position is based on evidence and not emotion. Don't let me down.
@mindprism Well if that's the extent of your data you got big problems buddy....
Also, what a dishonest question -"Do you contend that the US IQ scores there are fraudulent?" You gave to friendough here.
It's was never really in question as to much of the actual data itself, AS MEASURED. It was the measuring process itself, the institution of know statistical artifacts such as 'g'. While also a number of very dishonest, basically, doctored style of analysis that failed this pile of crap.
@Christopholaes So you are denying that IQ is a decent predictor of academic success which in turn is a decent predictor of economic success. Correct? What are the numbers and sources that you have come to accept in these matters? If none, what is the source for your decision for throwing the whole matter out as junk science?
Do you accept the SAT score race gap (which mirrors the IQ results) in the US, or is that too, "meaningless"?
@mindprism See, if your talking about genetics, you need to point to the ACTUAL genetics. Not 'white' or 'black'. You need to point to the MAOA 2R gene etc. Yet, then the distribution is not divided on colour lines is it. It's environmental, mainly, and the overlap between the 'races' of which you speak is huge. Or you could go to another gene, yet you will find the same. No genes, besides the ones refering to phenotypical and superficial traits, divide on the colour lines. Especially ability.
@Christopholaes {No genes, besides the ones refering to phenotypical and superficial traits, divide on the colour lines. Especially ability.}
No one is talking about "color lines", we are talking about population groups. Which, if that is what you mean would make your statement patently false.
Africans have higher resistance to malaria, for example. People who are not Pygmies have a greater ability to run, jump and play freaking basketball. OMG, an "ability" -- how racist!
@Christopholaes "The ancient Indians and Greeks, unable to codify infinity in terms of a formalized mathematical system approached infinity as a philosophical concept."
"The earliest attestable accounts of mathematical infinity come from Zeno of Elea (ca. 490 BC? – ca. 430 BC?)"
"Isha Upanishad of the Yajurveda (c. 4th to 3rd century BC)"
@mindprism Yes, exactly they had no mathematical expression for infinity. And it was not used in mathematics in their time. the Indians were the first to do this, functionally. Sorry, it's just history.
An account of infinity is not the same as a functional mathematical principle. Which I was obviously speaking to.
Okay, what about the work done by the ancient Chinese on equations used for the programing and organisational work done on the internet? Which are irreplaceable. Are they 'white'?
OMFG that is hysterical! Give you a list of names you wouldn't recognize that are as important to Western culture as the names you've listed? That's retarded. However, here's a brief primer: Confucius, the most influential political thinker in human history, Sun Tzu, whose military ideas are still consulted by Western militaries, Ge Hong, an alchemist who wrote a comprehensive treatise on gunpowder in 300 AD, Shen Kuo, who wrote about true north, magnets, and dry docks in 1088 AD...
@mindprism LOL, you actually believe that! hahahahahahhaha. you've obviously never been to Europe at ALL. Especially the areas of which you speak. The Spanish and Italian range from pinky-white to an almost African black colour. If you go back in history these differences were more exaggerated (due to low mobility).\
Most of the invention credited to Europe were built on the giant ideas of the Greeks and Romans.
Many of which were already in use in the east, western history tends to ignore this.
@Christopholaes Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Emanuel Swedenborg, Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, Leonardo da Vinci, John Stuart Mill, Blaise Pascal, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Bobby Fischer, Galileo Galilei, René Descartes, Madame De Stael, Immanuel Kant, Linus Carl Pauling, Sofia Kovalevskaya, Thomas Chatterton, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans), Nicolaus Copernicus, Olof Palme, Rembrandt van Rijn, Anna Lindh, George Sand
@mindprism LOL, half of these guys and Gals aren't exactly what you would call 'white'. Some had more tan than your local Mexicans in the US. So fail from the start. Add to that the point that Friendough as pointed out, that is just western historical figures. You've forgotten more than half the planet! It's like I was pointing out to friendough history as taught in the US is basically a game of taking credit for the hard work of Europe and the East. Such as with the television.
@Christopholaes Are you contending that the list does not contain at minimum, a very large admixture of white European genes?
{You've forgotten more than half the planet!}
If so, then where is your data? I want a comparable list of black geniuses, or even Asian. You have the entire internet as your disposal, put up or shut up.
@mindprism Yup, that I am, you have yet to identify or define "white European genes" you have to prove 'race' as a concept before you can start using it to label this cluster of alleles or that cluster as belonging to a 'race'. That's obvious. Let alone the fact that many of the 'Europeans' you are referring to lived in a time where cultural and ethnic lines were drawn rather heavily in the sand. Meaning that if 'race' did exist many of these would be categorised as French, English, dutch etc.
@Christopholaes No, I can let you define it however you want, as you said with the categories of English, French, etc -- all we need to recognize is there are clusters of populations with common genetic traits, and that IQ is largely heritable - 0.65-0.85, and that environment can select for IQ. Which of these do you NOT accept?
Just because Fahrenheit and Celsius and Kelvin are largely arbitrary, does not make the reality of temperature go away.
@mindprism I recognise clusters of 'genetic similarity' between populations, as well as amongst them. I do not think IQ to be heritable to those rates. Especially considering many in the psychological community are at odds as to what actually constitutes IQ at all. I think it's safe to say we shouldn't be measuring anybody by an unverified set of values that don't actually translate across to brain activity.
Heat, or lack of heat (cold), do not 'go away' but the arbitrary line to measure it does
@Christopholaes {I do not think IQ to be heritable to those rates}
Am not sure what you mean by that. Do you disagree with the numbers given for the heritability of IQ? I fail to see anything that stops a population group from simply evolving a better functioning brain do to environmental selection -- in the same way it would select for greater melanin in blacks. Do you agree in principle to this.. possibility/probability... or not? If not, why not?
@mindprism Already got a few for my list in just a few minutes it's piling up quick. you wanna retract your ridiculous assertion yet?
Richard Wright, Zora Neale Hurston, Srinivasa Ramanujan (absolute genius, modern mathematics and phsyics would be unrecognisable without this brilliant Indian), Swami Vivekananda....
That's just a few I found in very little time I could add all the obvious famous ones to that, but hey i think to show tyou how ignorant you are of the outside world is better...
Zora Neale Hurston - Hurston opposed the Supreme Court ruling in the Brown v. Board of Education case of 1954, "America's favorite black conservative", against Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal policies.
You must really be desperate.
I don't see any particular genius in this woman. Very smart, and hard working perhaps.
@mindprism So your ignoring the other three names I found in five minutes, and zeroing in on the one you think you may have a shadow of a hope in discrediting?
Okay, as I already pointed out many of your names listed ARE NOT proven geniuses at all. Many just achieved something 'great', many of which are culturally subjective in the absolute. Yet, they showed no real increased or abnormal level of intelligence that would set them apart from the merely highly intelligent, to the level of genius..
I will make it simpler for you - mostly you have given Indian persons, with some true Asians, the rest are simply not up to snuff. So give me the African equivalent of:
Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Zeno, Pythagoras, Hypatia, Euclid, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla, Niels Bohr, Max Planck, Michael Faraday, James Maxwell, René Descartes, Darwin, Godel, Hubble
@Christopholaes Richard Wright -- a black author writing on black issues is not genius, but rather mundane and commonplace. Anyone who sees far-left government policies as a solution for social ills has got a screw loose somewhere, and is not what I would consider a deep thinker, one who is capable of assessing unintended consequences.
@Christopholaes Srinivasa Ramanujan -- I will agree, but his case arouses suspicions that he may be borderline savant, his genius being so singularly focused on a realm typical of savants and at such a young age.
@mindprism Yet, he was socially normative, as any particularly clever individual is. Hardly a classic savant. I mean come on, even if he was a savant, so what? Your contention was all the geniuses and invention is found in Europe right. You just keep trying to wriggle out of the fact that that is obviously not true..
Got some more for you told you wouldn't take long.. (cont.)
@mindprism Aprille Erisson, Benjamin Banneker - self taught mathematician/astronomer, Dr. Daniel Hale Williams - first open heart surgery, Charles Henry Turner - self taught under very difficult circumstances, proved insects can hear despite 'white' scientists failing,Percy L. Julian, Dr. Charles Richard Drew, Philip Emeagwali - born in absolute poverty, yet won Gorden Bell prize for electrical engineering, not to mention George Washington Carver of course - at the end of the slave days no less.
@mindprism Here are some child prodigies and human calculators - most have amounted to little. You see you seem to assume history. and socio-economic and political factors don't inhibit whether 'geniuses' or the very bright ever become recognised or achieve anything at all!
Akshay Venkatesh, March Tian Boedihardjo - at nine enrolled in Hong Kong university., Terence Tao, Raul Chavez Sarmiento, Sufah Yusof, Priyanshi Somani, Shakuntali Devi - recognised at three as exceptional.
@Christopholaes Ok, let us assume that our lists are 'equal' for the time being, and move toward your underlying 'excuse' for lack of black success -- namely, that blacks are hated irrationally and have a history of being persecuted, ghettoized and oppressed.
The problem with that is there exists another group of people who have had, through the centuries, the exact same issues, yet remain among the most successful group in society -- the Jews.
@mindprism Maybe in modern times, in the US, maybe. Yet, your US-centric ideas let you down again. I would like to see you spin this tale of Jewish success in the ghettos of Israel and Palestine?
Or maybe, talk to the Jews who still live who just survived of the most crushing blows to their ethnicity through the last war, only 60 years ago. Still relevant. Then see what they think of the success of pushing 'racial identity' as a recipe for Jewish success? I mean what planet are you on?
@Christopholaes On the whole, worldwide, are you asserting Jews are as successful as blacks? Are you asserting that they have been experienced anything substantively different in terms of being oppressed to explain this gap? Do not blacks have their own ethnocentric ideals that compare to Jews, namely Afrocentricism?
You have a big economic gap on one side, and barely a difference on the persecution, hate side. How do you explain this?
@mindprism Nope, don't need to. The socio-economic factors are not comparable in the effects they have, and social perception of the 'race' in question is not even close to comparable. I mean the very fact you brought up 'Jews' as a success story speaks to the stereotype of Jewish lawyers and solicitors, and being good with money all that patently absurd crap..
That's why today, arguably, they are successful in the US, because Americans go to Jewish layers etc. because of the stereotype itself..
@mindprism How does listing income, a completely subjective thing, based on an abstract thing 'money' show intelligence? Money, a thing in which the earning and value of said abstract commodity is almost entirely based on socioeconomic factors. Especially things like racial perception and the ability to easily attain jobs etc I mean actually this kinda goes to prove my point. There u go the income increases in the US, perceptions of Jews particularly stereotypical in the US. Want me to get polls
If you recall, the idea here is to debate how Jews, while persecuted and hated historically more than blacks, have managed to succeed, while blacks have fallen short. Income is an acceptable measurement of success.
To simplify, blacks may be shunned, but Jews are systematically attacked and killed, so I don't see a correlation that would hold true to the idea that 'hate makes me poor'.
@mindprism Ummm, how is it? your just asserting that 'money' is a measure of 'success'. As I pointed out before you try to use IQ to infer better life outcomes, such as financial success. Then you argue that it is the financial success that is telling you about better life outcomes, and higher intelligence is definitely being suggested as well?
The argument is almost circular, not to mention many of the terms desperately need defining outside of YOUR own cultural bias. Which is obvious here..
@mindprism So there is a massive difference in the social and political persecution. I mean how many American nations can claim a hand in foundation, upkeep and military support (more than any other nation to date post WWII) as Israel can. Granted much of this support and funding is garnered by religious groups in the US. Yet, also through the US government in a consistent manner. Explain how that doesn't help, or favour the 'Jews'?
@Christopholaes {So there is a massive difference in the social and political persecution. }
Well. I don't see blacks needing an ever vigilant ADL or JDL (worldwide organizations) to keep a lid on animosity toward their group to prevent another pogrom or mass extermination -- so you are right, there IS a massive difference.
@mindprism And to think, you actually thought that line of argument poses a problem to my line of reasoning that you don't have poof of anything but cultural bias in favour of your 'white' geniuses hypothesis.
I didn't get into any reasons myself as to why 'blacks', supposedly, 'succeed' less. I would kindly ask you not to try and fill in the blanks of my own personal views/opinions without me first stating them. As it is obvious your skills of perception are severely lacking...
@mindprism Oh and most of those rather famous and easily found names (due to dominance of west-centric history in the media) you referred to are not all technically geniuses at ALL. Many are just famous for inventing something or a concept in science etc.
This also makes the question kinda loaded, as many of the people I would reference you to would hardly be famous, especially since history is written mainly by old status-quo loving white men.
Your also asking me to do your research for u..cont
@Christopholaes René Descartes, Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, Augustine, Aquinas, Machiavelli, Copernicus, Luther, Bacon, Descartes, Newton, Rousseau, Kant, Darwin, Marx, Maxwell, Nietzsche, Pavlov, Freud, Einstein, Keynes, Sartre, Francis Crick, James Watson, Philo Farnsworth, Enrico Fermi, Alexander Fleming, Robert Goddard, Kurt Gödel, Mary Leakey, Richard Leakey, Jean Piaget, Jonas Salk, William Shockley, Alan Turing, Ludwig, Orville Wright
@mindprism Okay, now prove that 'white' a race genetically, tie that to a real and tangible genetic variant or cluster of alleles, specific repetition of gene(s) expression, monozygotic etc. That explains 'genius', whatever that is.
Then explain and provide evidence that it WAS NOT ANY socio-economic, political, cultural or ideological ideas and practices amongst the different ethnic groups which effect the recognition of this genius throughout history. Then a shadow of a point, may, rear up..
I have never claimed that this isn't a factor. But sadly for your case the heritability of IQ is .85 in adults. This means that such factors are minimal, and not really part of the topic anyway, which is the idea that environment can and does select for IQ (a proxy for better made brains) among population groups.
To deny this yet holding onto the idea that it affects other traits puts you in a burden of proof position, does it not?
@mindprism Considering I'm not the one making claims about 'race' or the distribution of geniuses (or high IQ) there in. Why is the burden of proof on me to retort the list you presented as a form of evidence I didn't ask for?
Also I notice it's a list that favours OUR cultural values in considering 'intelligence'. Not to mention many of these men and women based some of their ideas on that of the eastern philosophy, concepts and art..
But hey you want a list, okay, be ready to admit your wrong
*Sigh* You remain one of the most caustically prevaricating self-aggrandizing fuckwads I've encountered on the internet. 1. IQ does not equate to achievement. Having a genius IQ doesn't mean you actually contributed fuck all to society. 2. What percentage of black people across the world receive IQ tests? 3. IQ testing began in 1904, so if that's your metric, don't refer to anyone who lived before that time. 4. Stop quoting Rushton like you'll be taken seriously.
1a. Then if you are to hire someone and all you know is their IQs, you will disregard those and toss a coin?
1b. Again, you point to the possible exception that proves the rule, but you don't dare come out and say those who have made the most contributions to society have "random IQs" now do you?
2. Enough to directly determine the IQs for most all of the continent of Africa. If you are not aware of this, then you need to bow out of the debate.
@Friendough {Stop quoting Rushton like you'll be taken seriously}
Ok, instead I will quote James Dewey Watson, Nobel prize winner, American molecular biologist, geneticist, and zoologist, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA in 1953...
[lookup yourself: inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa...]
Your side has serious black marks against you for how you have treated individuals like this man. You are the ones hard to take seriously now.
You really don't understand how quoting things works, do you? I don't care what the guy's IQ is. He didn't have the professional credentials to back up the claims that he made. I don't sign on to everything Chomski has to say about politics just because he's a genius in the field of linguistics.
Like the great majority of hiring managers throughout the world, I would use neither IQ nor a coin toss to decide who I hired. See what I mean when I say you are prevaricating?
@Friendough The following gives an in depth look at the black mark that exists on your side, and makes it comical to assume the anti-racists are even attempting to be impartial in the light of science. And as I said before, this is nothing but treason against the principles of the enlightenment.
google:Gene Expression James Watson Tells the Inconvenient Truth Faces the Consequences
Nope, I can't see that what he said is supported by evidence. He didn't say they score lower on IQ tests, but they have lower intelligence. IQ does not equal intelligence. All testing is fallible, and not realizing that makes you out of your depth. The author of this article abuses the term intelligence, and completely misunderstands what IQ is. And this article cites Lynn, as well? I am heartily underwhelmed.
@Friendough {He didn't say they score lower on IQ tests, but they have lower intelligence}
Well, do tell where a great scientist like him would get his ideas about a populations intelligence if not through IQ tests? Suppose it was academic performance? Or is it chicken entrails?
The fact remains that Africans score lower on IQ tests.
I have a relative who took an IQ test in preschool and tested around 65. He had no developmental disabilities, apart from a case of ADHD, which doesn't affect IQ. However, six years later he tested around 130. Why the difference? Because IQ is just a number. It's a culturally centered test, and it is under ongoing debate. Intelligence and IQ are not equivalent. Where does a brilliant scientist get fucked up ideas? Are you serious, or is this a bullshit rhetorical question?
You like quotes, so here is a quote from Alfred Binet, the man who invented IQ testing:
"Some recent thinkers…[have affirmed] that an individual's intelligence is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be increased. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we must try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing."
Binet's method was to identify who needed special attention, so that they could receive more resources for education. Nothing more than that.
@Friendough {an individual's intelligence is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be increased.}
Again, you judge with emotions not logic. Brains are brains, they have a capacity, they can be exercised or developed to a degree - but the limitation remains, both in capacity and adeptness.
If you don't believe me, then teach a chimp trigonometry. Hell, teach him long division.
@mindprism Oh, and by the way you just confirmed (with your US-centric historical figure list) that you do indeed use the corn-bred, red-neck, bum-fuck USA version of history.... Well done!!!!!!!!!
@mindprism You obviously know absolutely nothing of history or the cultural or ethnic origins of anything in particular. Why are you even trying to comment on a topic that you have the corn-bred red-neck bum-fuck USA version of???
yeah, south africa is a great example civilization blacks are capable of building. Why do people say peanut butter was invented? It's a fucking recipe.
Well, reciped isn't proper English, last I checked, but how does one say that either Africans or Europeans alone built what is now modern Africa? It was the joint effort of a colonial period, and both Africans and Europeans have to bear responsibility for that history.
Marmiteman is a classic example of someone who knows nothing about world history and who therefore suffers from temporal prejudice. It does not occur to him that European dominence in the world is a fairly recent and transient event.
Am confused-- isn't it natural for every person to think their particular race is the best? I mean, if you had mind-reading spectacles, isn't that what you would see?
mindprism 7 hours ago
@mindprism
That's not the issue. It's elevating that sentiment to a feeling of entitlement, that if you are not in fact in the best position as a race then you need to take action to lower others. This ideology doesn't lead to pride, but rather to self-loathing.
Friendough 7 hours ago
This vid a better response then the one TJ did imo
cropathfinder 1 week ago
@cropathfinder
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Friendough 1 week ago
Funny how guys like this doesn't want to claim things like slavery. Lol claiming the positives but not the negatives.
DevilMayhem666 3 weeks ago
@mindprism Seychelles Islands, Mauritius, Aruba, and Cayman Islands all do not have very high IQs on average yet are doing well.
DevilMayhem666 3 weeks ago
LOL a young fucktard kid who calls himself a "man" getting owned with some satire & his arguement getting picked apart by a real man.this is funny no matter what race they are.LOL did the kid ever make a response to this?
JYoung3rd 3 months ago
@JYoung3rd
No response via comment or video. Nothing as far as I am aware.
Friendough 3 months ago
Haha nice video, you are a funny guy. Subscribing to you now!
23lFrench 4 months ago
lol Just had to add this,the kid is probably one of those deniers that say the moon landing was a hollywood hoax,yes even today people think the moon landing was a hoax.
philosophicalreason 4 months ago
The first thing i said to myself about the kid in the video was,wow now i know what people in concentration camps look like.
philosophicalreason 4 months ago 2
@philosophicalreason
Someone should get him a kebab.
Friendough 4 months ago
@slavsyarus1 hmmm that is what the book said. stating that jews have an advantage over whites. in turn you, dissapoint me. This is my last response so I am going to keep it short. I hate people who hate other people. there is no reason for it. we all are human. we hurt, we bleed we feel, we want offspring and let them live a good life.
Halonerdful 4 months ago
@slavsyarus1 Your so called "book" said to deny jews to go to post highschool. That is absurd, idiotic. Jews have genetic traits with above average verbal intelligience? no not all do, I admit. but the fact you call that evolution is...... retarded absolutly retarded. And its sad, really sad.
Halonerdful 4 months ago
@slavsyarus1 The fact you would deny anyone the right to an education is beyond me. An "Above-Average verbal intelligence" means you know what the fuck your talking about. And thats what we,as humans, do. We usually stripmine a place. Now when you understand the failures of humanity, please let me know. Untill we meet again.Si vos reputo parumper minute .... dicens: "Anti-Racism = Anti-Nepos 'est ipsum pretium. ut esset album Racism esset. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet ignoramous
Halonerdful 4 months ago
@slavsyarus1 Maybe not you. But any Anthropolgist here will agree with me.
Halonerdful 4 months ago
@slavsyarus1 Me? a kook? lol I am not a kook. I thought the subject of religon was intersting. We are entitiled to a vast amount of knowledg and I want it. Do I belive in god? Is the world 10,000 years old? Hell no!
Halonerdful 4 months ago
@slavsyarus1 You know Jesus was a jew? And that Judiasm predates christianity? and that the 3 major religons intertwine with oneanother?
Halonerdful 4 months ago
@Friendough YOU SIR..... just got a Subb
Halonerdful 4 months ago
@slavsyarus1 Oh,and I suppose your Albert FUCKIN einestien? Say ,did you know that the polio Vaccine was developed by a jew? and that he never patentd it? Yup his name was Jonas Salk. He later spent his Final Years in his lab trying to find a cure for AIDS.
Halonerdful 4 months ago
@slavsyarus1: He isn't a hypocrite, he is admitting that we're stupid. Which is true, white people are stupid, people are stupid. It's being truthful to yourself and not being in denial. But then again, I wouldn't think twice that the idea of accepting who you're would be able to get into that brain of yours, amerikkunt..
Pinochimon 4 months ago
@Pinochimon Wow, that's... really racist. im not going to lie. i check your channel sometimes because after you left those ridiculous comments on my videos, i wanted to see if your just naturally like this. and i have to admit, you don't make me feel ashamed to be a while person. you make me feel ashamed to be called human. because that means that we have something in common. Which is like saying I'm Hitler's cousin.
owlflame 4 months ago
@Pinochimon And seriously, If everyone from America is a terrible person, i would hate to be the people living in whatever country you live in.
owlflame 4 months ago
Identifying yourself as white is also an attack on the white race. White people don't try to tell jews that we are jews too since we have the same skin color. And jews don't get to tell us who is white.
DollaBiIIz 5 months ago
@slavsyarus1
Apples and oranges. Popping into someone's comment thread to call them a name clearly designed as a personal insult is not equivalent to ever using a word in any context. I don't care what words a person has ever "openly used," but I do care greatly how people use their words. Get over yourself.
Friendough 5 months ago
@slavsyarus1
I thought white nationalism wasn't about being racist? I guess you've proved HeyRuka wrong.
Friendough 5 months ago
dumb jew
DollaBiIIz 5 months ago
@DollaBiIIz
That's pretty sad that that's the best you can do.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough It's pretty sad that attacking the white race is the best you jews can do.
DollaBiIIz 5 months ago
@DollaBiIIz
Please give me a time stamp of where I attack the white race.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough You jews attack and mock anybody who wants white people to exist in the future. Jews should have all been killed years ago.
DollaBiIIz 5 months ago
@DollaBiIIz
I can't LOL hard enough, son.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough I can't LOL hard enough at your holohoax myths, jewboy.
DollaBiIIz 5 months ago
This video is a fail because it is an adult picking an argument with a kid
Spagnotic 5 months ago
@Spagnotic
If you put your content on Youtube, it is open to criticism. Most educational theory, though, would posit that it is kids who can benefit the most from correction, and who are most harmed by not being corrected.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough It seemed more like an agrument to me
Spagnotic 5 months ago
@Spagnotic
And what is the difference?
Friendough 5 months ago
The lamest video on youtube ever!
MrWatchdawg77 5 months ago
I think marmiteman4's basis of accurate news are the movies where they show that queens and detroit are gangland warzones.
emancoy 5 months ago
@emancoy
Escape From New York nicely showcases what Manhattan was like in the late 90's, when Isaac Hayes was running the show.
Friendough 5 months ago
claire sent me, good channel, subbed
emancoy 5 months ago
Yawn.
Flipper79able 5 months ago
@mindprism also all those geniuses got most of their knowledge from nonwhites. Socrates for example got is wisdom from the Egyptians as well as other eastern thinkers. Btw no pyramids in Europe. Either way if the west closed itself off from the rest of world it would eventually fail because of the ideas that would not be exchanged. Melanin or lack there of does not genius. I meanthe funny thing you are doing exactly what the Amazing Athiest and Friendough made videos about.
leopard6984 5 months ago
@leopard6984 {Socrates for example got is wisdom from the Egyptians as well as other eastern thinkers.}
According to who?
{Melanin or lack there of does not genius.}
Thank you for showing your lack of understanding of the assertions being put forth here. This has nothing to do with melanin, we are talking about population groups.
You should at least review the discussion before opining and making assumptions about what is being asserted.
mindprism 5 months ago
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@leopard6984 {Socrates for example got is wisdom from the Egyptians as well as other eastern thinkers.}
According to who?
{Melanin or lack there of does not genius.}
Thank you for showing your lack of understanding of the assertions being put forth here. This has nothing to do with melanin, we are talking about population groups.
You should at least review the discussion before opining and making assumptions about what is being asserted.
mindprism 5 months ago
The reason blacks tend not to do well and the Jews do is this, the bastardization of culture. Jews have had a cultural heritage that goes back 6,000 years, black African's even longer, but due to enslavement in the Americas they were made to forget language, customs, religion, and anything else that tied them to their homeland to prevent slave revolts like in Haiti or Brazil. Everytime blacks try to get ahead in life whites do everything short of murder to halt it.
leopard6984 5 months ago
@leopard6984 {due to enslavement in the Americas they were made to forget language, customs, religion}
Nope, sorry, there are plenty of irreligious Jews who are emancipated from Judaism and those tribal ways who are still very successful -- in fact, it is these Jews who are in the majority of successful Jews.
Shedding your culture and becoming an American doesn't make you a failure.
mindprism 5 months ago
@leopard6984 {Everytime blacks try to get ahead in life whites do everything short of murder to halt it.}
Liberia says otherwise. Compare that country to the Ivory Coast just north of it.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism the world at large goes through ups and downs for example during the middle ages Europe was by and large a literal shithole because they didn't know how to dispose of waste, 2 more than 90% of Europe's population was illiterate, and 3 it was run by people who scoffed at economic, intellectual freedom, as well as spiritual freedom. What got them out of this, knowledge from Moors, Arabs, and other nonwhites from the east.
leopard6984 5 months ago
@leopard6984 {the middle ages Europe was by and large a literal shithole because they didn't know how to dispose of waste}
Thats what happens when people are forced to swallow a foreign, dirty, tyrannical, semitic religion, aka Christianity.
mindprism 5 months ago
Oh btw I'd like to point out this about west that eurocentrists seem to forget, everything in this universe goes through cycles. Balance is key, for example kingdoms no matter where they are have uptides and downtides, yesterday the power was in europe now it's in east asia. Power is fluid, daosim 101, be like water and adapt. Things change and if you stick to one concept it becomes outdated like the concept of white supremacy for example.
leopard6984 5 months ago
@leopard6984 {Things change and if you stick to one concept it becomes outdated like the concept of white supremacy for example.}
Yea, and giraffes become elephants, and there is no reality or truth, its all just a crazy mixed up world, etc, etc.
If you're such a big fan of cycles, maybe you want to tell me about that phase in the cycles where everyone was kind and loving, and there was no war or fighting on the planet. You know, where the meek inherited the Earth and all that jazz.
mindprism 5 months ago
@leopard6984 {it becomes outdated like the concept of white supremacy for example.}
Oh yes, I forgot to mention. If you take the time to read my postings you might notice I am NOT advocating "white supremacy" -- but rather recognize, as far as IQ goes, it is:
Africans<Europeans<Asians<Ashkenazi Jews
So, you have a problem with your accusation that I am outdated due to my advocation of white supremacy.
mindprism 5 months ago
I have to call you out on the TV invented by an American, John Logie Baird ( a scotsman) invented the Television... admittedly it wasn't electronic but he got there first before Filo T Farnsworth ( did I get that right?) who's version WAS electronic
petehutcheon 5 months ago
@petehutcheon
Philo Farnsworth is generally credited with inventing the television, but I was previously unaware of John Logie Baird. A number of people have dropped this correction in, but that wasn't really my point, of course. The scientific and technological advances we all enjoy are the result of cooperation across boundaries, continents, languages, and races. Science is the domain of mankind, not a single nation. Thanks for the comment!
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough maybe Americans favour Farnsworth and us brits favour Baird just because of our respective nationalities, and yes I know that's not the point you were making I was just being a pedantic prick! lol I actually agree with everything you say in this video, and thank you for taking the time to make it. I have subscribed and look forward to your future uploads.
petehutcheon 5 months ago
@Mindprism as black man I must say your take on black people is just funny. You do realize that blacks are the most diverse people on earth, even in America? For every Lil Wayne there's also a Dr. Chieke Ante Diop, Dr. John Henrik Clarke, Malcolm X, Lupe Fiasco, Will Smith, Bernard Harris(astronaut), Dr. Ben Carson. As a whole the average black person on earth actually speaks more languages than your average white.
leopard6984 5 months ago
@leopard6984 {your take on black people is just funny}
How so? What is my 'take'? Did I say anywhere that they were monolithic?
mindprism 5 months ago
Also I'd like to make this point about Africa. Even with colonialism and everything else there are parts of Africa that shit on parts of Europe. For example, Botswana which btw is not run by whites has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Ghana has been civilized longer than most European nations. We forget that Bosnia a white country had a problem with war about 15 years ago with Serbia.
leopard6984 5 months ago
@leopard6984 {Botswana which btw is not run by whites has one of the fastest growing economies in the world.}
Botswana has been a British protectorate from 1885-1964. The British set up Botswana advisory councils. It is very rich in diamonds and minerals and so the law of small numbers is naturally going to give it an impressive growth rate percentage.
Botswana government is carrying out genocidal policies against Bushmen in order to obtain diamonds.
mindprism 5 months ago
mindprism 5 months ago
@Friendough your video is brilliant. It's like this, I'm black I admit western civilization has giving us cool things, but they would not be possible without the folks in the east or the south. Like you said before with Sun Tzu and gun powder. Kinetic linking in hand to hand combat are products of India and China(kung fu). Daoism and taichi are the precursors to binary code. Coffee some europeans love so much comes from Ethiopia.
leopard6984 5 months ago
@leopard6984
Thanks! I think we, as a species, are at our best when we don't discard or dismiss ideas just because of where they came from. Everyone can add something to the whole of human knowledge, and that's where the advances in our collective civilization come from every day. Everyone brings something to the table, and dismissing them because of their race or country of origin is like shooting yourself in the foot.
Friendough 5 months ago
9/11? Everyone knows south tower was a government conspiracy, tower 2 was a terrorist attack(dang muslims...) and tower 7 was an insurance scam, i mean come on kid, at least search the web before you form baseless opinions.... sheeesh...
TheyCallMeGawd 5 months ago
@TheyCallMeGawd
10 minutes on Google is all we're asking...
Friendough 5 months ago
Ha! That's great use of the Halloween theme song! I see quite a few dislikes for this video. A lot of fan boys and girls of MM4 must have watched this video.
Bear5177 5 months ago
@Bear5177
In this case, I find the dislikes heartening. I'm glad the racist community has seen the video.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Mikkedev Ha, CULTURE. What you said about the British and French made me crack up a . That was one thing I heard about Burying the dead and taking shits and eating them. Same with the rat Infestation. Now Lets go to Africa during that time. You had every Mineral, Salt, Gold, You think you taste real salt In the States? Africa Had the real salt, along with Animals, Flowing Rivers. I am The Opposite of a racist. But We have to say the truth. And It shouldn't be referred to as Racism.
lordvoldemort578 5 months ago
@Mikkedev How many thousands of years of head start did Africa have on those who migrated out of that continent?
mindprism 5 months ago
@Mikkedev Mindprism Isn't the smartest guy, Europe Use to Eat rats, their own shit. They even thought alcohol was water at a time, Which is where the Whole "Irish can hold their liquor" Joke comes from..A lot people didn't know that...This explanation is also a cut up Version of what you'd read In History. I just got to the point.
lordvoldemort578 5 months ago
@lordvoldemort578 {Mindprism Isn't the smartest guy, Europe Use to Eat rats}
Africans are STILL eating Africans, smart guy.
The only two countries in Africa which have not experienced "evil colonialism" are Liberia and Ethiopia. Why don't you go and check out how those two shitholes compare to those who were colonized and get back to me.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Europe Has the Biggest Human Trafficking ring They Net In the 10's of Billions, man Export Is Child Prostitution. Armenia, Albania and Macedonia are on the International Monetary Fund's list of the poorest countries eligible for assistance.They are also on the World Food Programme's list of low income countries that have low incomes and are unable to produce enough food for their populations. In Serbia, one third of people live below the poverty line. These are Not Black influenced.
lordvoldemort578 5 months ago
@lordvoldemort578 {Europe Has the Biggest Human Trafficking ring}
And Africans rape infants and young virgins believing it will cure their VD. Most of the current slavery in the world (there are more slaves in the world than there has ever been) exist in Asia and Africa.
According to the ILO, Africa has the highest percentage of child labourers in the world with 80 million or 41% of African children that work
mindprism 5 months ago
@lordvoldemort578
In Nigeria, one ILO report found that 40% of the street children and hawkers were trafficking victims.5 An ILO/UNICEF report released in March 2002 states that eight million Nigerian children are enduring the worst forms of child labour.6 These children serve as domestic servants, beggars, street hawkers, agricultural labourers and prostitutes.
mindprism 5 months ago
@lordvoldemort578 Meanwhile, child prostitution is on the rise across Africa, fuelled by the prevailing erroneous belief that sex with a virgin will cure HIV/AIDS or that sex with a child decreases the likelihood of contracting HIV/AIDS or another sexually transmitted disease. Molo Songololo, a prominent child rights non-governmental organisation (NGO), estimated that there are at least 28,000 children in commercial sexual exploitation in South Africa’s urban centres
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism A Whooping 28,000 Against a Industry across Europe that nets In the Billions. The Human trafficking ring In Europe Nets In the Billions, Off Not Only their Own People, But other People from different Countries.Yeah, White People In Europe Are so Serious about sticking tight with their own..HAHA. My Point being Simple. Africa Isn't the only country fucked up, There are white countries that are fucked up too.
lordvoldemort578 5 months ago
@kylem1112 {You know why Africa is such a shithole compared to europe? }
Africa was a shithole before they even got there. Why do you think it was so easy for a relative handful of foreigners to take over? Its because they were more advanced and more intelligent, by far.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism It wasn't necesarily a shithole.... Africa still had empires. Were they not as industrialized as the europeans, no, but that's because africa wasn't trying to take over the whole world. they were fine chilling in africa they had resources that they traded to europeans. I wouldn't say the europeans were more intelligent... just more determined, selfish, and hungry for money and power. that's why they had better weapons, because they traded all over the place for their king.
kylem1112 5 months ago
@kylem1112 {I wouldn't say the europeans were more intelligent}
if one were to draw a line from the boot of Italy to London England and take a swath 300 miles east and west you would find, over history, 95% of the geniuses of the world. Art, music, literature, mathematics, physics, inventions ; you name it.
True or false.
mindprism 5 months ago
*looks at Europe*
riots in the streets
*looks at Africa*
riots in the streets.....
themiddleman009 5 months ago
MM is a retard
IzzySpeaks 5 months ago
Yet, that's just a niggling point.
Your points in no way rested on these facts. Just a pedantic prick, don't mind me...
Enjoyed the vid. Well done on explaining the topic, you do better than most at making it plain for these misguided individuals..
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes
For all the good it does them!
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough Unfortunately, it seems, not much :(
Christopholaes 5 months ago
Just one thing wrong here mate. The inventors/engineers concept of a 'television' was not invented in the US. Most of the early work on TV's was done by scientists in Germany, Russia and Hungary, I believe. The first commercially viable (ready for general broadcast, easy to operate etc.) 'television sets' using electronic scanning tech. was created by an American scientist.
I'm not sure any one person 'invented' the idea of a transmittable picture with sound, probably a dream of science fiction.
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes
Lots of people have pointed this out, and it is completely true. Of course, the point was just for the sake of argument, and not meant to be taken as an argument on its own. The rapid explosion of growth in science and technology seen over the last century is not the result of individual countries, races, or cabals, but of individuals of all nationalities, races, and social status, contributing their ideas and finding them judged on their merit, not on who had the idea.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough Of course this is still true. it would be the same if a modern German, say, claimed this. Your point obviously still stands. Also, I would also like to emphisise the way in which pre WWI and WWII the well know scientific and academic cooperation between the nations was actually quite common post renaissance Europe. So many inventions are multinational in origin when historians are being honest.
This boys historical ignorance is far more astounding than this small detail....
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes Sorry "nations THAT was actually quite common IN post renaissance Europe."
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {So many inventions are multinational in origin when historians are being honest.}
It is undeniable that if one were to draw a line from the boot of Italy to London England and take a swath 300 miles east and west you would find, over history, 95% of the geniuses of the world. Art, music, literature, mathematics, physics, inventions ; you name it.
You know, white guys.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism
It is deniable. Plenty of geniuses in China, and they invented a lot when white people had no real society to speak of.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough Great, then pony up the chinese equivalents of:
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Emanuel Swedenborg, Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, Leonardo da Vinci, John Stuart Mill, Blaise Pascal, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Bobby Fischer, Galileo Galilei, René Descartes, Madame De Stael, Immanuel Kant, Linus Carl Pauling, Sofia Kovalevskaya, Thomas Chatterton, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans), Nicolaus Copernicus, Olof Palme, Rembrandt van Rijn, Anna Lindh, George Sand
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism
OMFG that is hysterical! Give you a list of names you wouldn't recognize that are as important to Western culture as the names you've listed? That's retarded. However, here's a brief primer: Confucius, the most influential political thinker in human history, Sun Tzu, whose military ideas are still consulted by Western militaries, Ge Hong, an alchemist who wrote a comprehensive treatise on gunpowder in 300 AD, Shen Kuo, who wrote about true north, magnets, and dry docks in 1088 AD...
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough
{Confucius, most influential political thinker, 500 BC}
Plato, 450 BC, no comparison, though I will grant Confucius his due.
{Ge Hong, gunpowder, 300 AD}
Compared to Pythagoras, mathematician, mystic and scientist, nearly a century before, 500 BC? Or Democritus and the atom, 420 BC, or Aristotle 400 BC
So where are all the great black thinkers? How very strange. Have they gone underground and are secretly conspiring to make the black race look bad?
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Some of these guys were influenced by Egyptian, Persian, and Indian philosophers and mathematicians. Did you know that the concept of zero was invented in India, along with infinity and many of the modern concepts used in maths today to explain wonderful things in physics. Without these ideas our maths would be centuries behind. Are Indian 'white' as well?
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {Are Indian 'white' as well?}
An interesting question. United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind
By the late-2nd millennium BC offshoots of the Proto-Indo-Europeans had reached Anatolia, the Aegean, Western Europe, and the Iranian plateau;[1] they reached northern India later.
Southern Indians tend to be Australoid. Eastern Indians tend to be Mongoloid and Northern Indians tend to be Caucasian. India is probably the most racially diverse place in the world.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism I'm sorry mate, but I'm not going to even entertain this attempt at pure sophistry. Your going to suggest it's the 'white' in them that makes them smart, right?
Ancient Indians, if 'race' exists in the terms you couch it, then 'white' would not apply at ALL.
Have you met many Sri-Lankans, they are preported by anthropologists to be descended from the older tribes of India. They are darker than most African Americans, on average. With recognisably 'Indian' facial features.
So no go..
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {Your going to suggest it's the 'white' in them that makes them smart, right?}
My position is that of the data:
Africans<Europeans<Asians<Ashkenazi Jews
The Bell Curve (1994) gives the numbers that I would believe largely reflect inherent ability.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism
And The Bell Curve is a piece of shit that has been torn to shreds by peer review and isn't cited by anyone outside of the racist community.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough {isn't cited by anyone outside of the racist community.}
Well, no, it hasn't because everyone who cites it becomes a member of the "racist community". Catch 22.
Do you contend that the US IQ scores there are fraudulent? Then say so, and provide proof. I know thats a lot harder to do than screaming "racist", but I have confidence that your position is based on evidence and not emotion. Don't let me down.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Well if that's the extent of your data you got big problems buddy....
Also, what a dishonest question -"Do you contend that the US IQ scores there are fraudulent?" You gave to friendough here.
It's was never really in question as to much of the actual data itself, AS MEASURED. It was the measuring process itself, the institution of know statistical artifacts such as 'g'. While also a number of very dishonest, basically, doctored style of analysis that failed this pile of crap.
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes So you are denying that IQ is a decent predictor of academic success which in turn is a decent predictor of economic success. Correct? What are the numbers and sources that you have come to accept in these matters? If none, what is the source for your decision for throwing the whole matter out as junk science?
Do you accept the SAT score race gap (which mirrors the IQ results) in the US, or is that too, "meaningless"?
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism See, if your talking about genetics, you need to point to the ACTUAL genetics. Not 'white' or 'black'. You need to point to the MAOA 2R gene etc. Yet, then the distribution is not divided on colour lines is it. It's environmental, mainly, and the overlap between the 'races' of which you speak is huge. Or you could go to another gene, yet you will find the same. No genes, besides the ones refering to phenotypical and superficial traits, divide on the colour lines. Especially ability.
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {No genes, besides the ones refering to phenotypical and superficial traits, divide on the colour lines. Especially ability.}
No one is talking about "color lines", we are talking about population groups. Which, if that is what you mean would make your statement patently false.
Africans have higher resistance to malaria, for example. People who are not Pygmies have a greater ability to run, jump and play freaking basketball. OMG, an "ability" -- how racist!
mindprism 5 months ago
@Christopholaes "The ancient Indians and Greeks, unable to codify infinity in terms of a formalized mathematical system approached infinity as a philosophical concept."
"The earliest attestable accounts of mathematical infinity come from Zeno of Elea (ca. 490 BC? – ca. 430 BC?)"
"Isha Upanishad of the Yajurveda (c. 4th to 3rd century BC)"
"Indian mathematical text Surya Prajnapti (c. 400 BC)"
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Yes, exactly they had no mathematical expression for infinity. And it was not used in mathematics in their time. the Indians were the first to do this, functionally. Sorry, it's just history.
An account of infinity is not the same as a functional mathematical principle. Which I was obviously speaking to.
Okay, what about the work done by the ancient Chinese on equations used for the programing and organisational work done on the internet? Which are irreplaceable. Are they 'white'?
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@mindprism
OMFG that is hysterical! Give you a list of names you wouldn't recognize that are as important to Western culture as the names you've listed? That's retarded. However, here's a brief primer: Confucius, the most influential political thinker in human history, Sun Tzu, whose military ideas are still consulted by Western militaries, Ge Hong, an alchemist who wrote a comprehensive treatise on gunpowder in 300 AD, Shen Kuo, who wrote about true north, magnets, and dry docks in 1088 AD...
Friendough 5 months ago
@mindprism LOL, you actually believe that! hahahahahahhaha. you've obviously never been to Europe at ALL. Especially the areas of which you speak. The Spanish and Italian range from pinky-white to an almost African black colour. If you go back in history these differences were more exaggerated (due to low mobility).\
Most of the invention credited to Europe were built on the giant ideas of the Greeks and Romans.
Many of which were already in use in the east, western history tends to ignore this.
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Emanuel Swedenborg, Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, Leonardo da Vinci, John Stuart Mill, Blaise Pascal, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Bobby Fischer, Galileo Galilei, René Descartes, Madame De Stael, Immanuel Kant, Linus Carl Pauling, Sofia Kovalevskaya, Thomas Chatterton, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans), Nicolaus Copernicus, Olof Palme, Rembrandt van Rijn, Anna Lindh, George Sand
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism LOL, half of these guys and Gals aren't exactly what you would call 'white'. Some had more tan than your local Mexicans in the US. So fail from the start. Add to that the point that Friendough as pointed out, that is just western historical figures. You've forgotten more than half the planet! It's like I was pointing out to friendough history as taught in the US is basically a game of taking credit for the hard work of Europe and the East. Such as with the television.
Go back to skool
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes Are you contending that the list does not contain at minimum, a very large admixture of white European genes?
{You've forgotten more than half the planet!}
If so, then where is your data? I want a comparable list of black geniuses, or even Asian. You have the entire internet as your disposal, put up or shut up.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Yup, that I am, you have yet to identify or define "white European genes" you have to prove 'race' as a concept before you can start using it to label this cluster of alleles or that cluster as belonging to a 'race'. That's obvious. Let alone the fact that many of the 'Europeans' you are referring to lived in a time where cultural and ethnic lines were drawn rather heavily in the sand. Meaning that if 'race' did exist many of these would be categorised as French, English, dutch etc.
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes No, I can let you define it however you want, as you said with the categories of English, French, etc -- all we need to recognize is there are clusters of populations with common genetic traits, and that IQ is largely heritable - 0.65-0.85, and that environment can select for IQ. Which of these do you NOT accept?
Just because Fahrenheit and Celsius and Kelvin are largely arbitrary, does not make the reality of temperature go away.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism I recognise clusters of 'genetic similarity' between populations, as well as amongst them. I do not think IQ to be heritable to those rates. Especially considering many in the psychological community are at odds as to what actually constitutes IQ at all. I think it's safe to say we shouldn't be measuring anybody by an unverified set of values that don't actually translate across to brain activity.
Heat, or lack of heat (cold), do not 'go away' but the arbitrary line to measure it does
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {I do not think IQ to be heritable to those rates}
Am not sure what you mean by that. Do you disagree with the numbers given for the heritability of IQ? I fail to see anything that stops a population group from simply evolving a better functioning brain do to environmental selection -- in the same way it would select for greater melanin in blacks. Do you agree in principle to this.. possibility/probability... or not? If not, why not?
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Already got a few for my list in just a few minutes it's piling up quick. you wanna retract your ridiculous assertion yet?
Richard Wright, Zora Neale Hurston, Srinivasa Ramanujan (absolute genius, modern mathematics and phsyics would be unrecognisable without this brilliant Indian), Swami Vivekananda....
That's just a few I found in very little time I could add all the obvious famous ones to that, but hey i think to show tyou how ignorant you are of the outside world is better...
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes
Zora Neale Hurston - Hurston opposed the Supreme Court ruling in the Brown v. Board of Education case of 1954, "America's favorite black conservative", against Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal policies.
You must really be desperate.
I don't see any particular genius in this woman. Very smart, and hard working perhaps.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism So your ignoring the other three names I found in five minutes, and zeroing in on the one you think you may have a shadow of a hope in discrediting?
Okay, as I already pointed out many of your names listed ARE NOT proven geniuses at all. Many just achieved something 'great', many of which are culturally subjective in the absolute. Yet, they showed no real increased or abnormal level of intelligence that would set them apart from the merely highly intelligent, to the level of genius..
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes That's just like, your opinion man...
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {That's just like, your opinion man.}
And you would prefer I give what - your opinion?
I will make it simpler for you - mostly you have given Indian persons, with some true Asians, the rest are simply not up to snuff. So give me the African equivalent of:
Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Zeno, Pythagoras, Hypatia, Euclid, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla, Niels Bohr, Max Planck, Michael Faraday, James Maxwell, René Descartes, Darwin, Godel, Hubble
You get the picture
mindprism 5 months ago
@Christopholaes Richard Wright -- a black author writing on black issues is not genius, but rather mundane and commonplace. Anyone who sees far-left government policies as a solution for social ills has got a screw loose somewhere, and is not what I would consider a deep thinker, one who is capable of assessing unintended consequences.
mindprism 5 months ago
@Christopholaes Srinivasa Ramanujan -- I will agree, but his case arouses suspicions that he may be borderline savant, his genius being so singularly focused on a realm typical of savants and at such a young age.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Yet, he was socially normative, as any particularly clever individual is. Hardly a classic savant. I mean come on, even if he was a savant, so what? Your contention was all the geniuses and invention is found in Europe right. You just keep trying to wriggle out of the fact that that is obviously not true..
Got some more for you told you wouldn't take long.. (cont.)
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@mindprism Aprille Erisson, Benjamin Banneker - self taught mathematician/astronomer, Dr. Daniel Hale Williams - first open heart surgery, Charles Henry Turner - self taught under very difficult circumstances, proved insects can hear despite 'white' scientists failing,Percy L. Julian, Dr. Charles Richard Drew, Philip Emeagwali - born in absolute poverty, yet won Gorden Bell prize for electrical engineering, not to mention George Washington Carver of course - at the end of the slave days no less.
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@mindprism Here are some child prodigies and human calculators - most have amounted to little. You see you seem to assume history. and socio-economic and political factors don't inhibit whether 'geniuses' or the very bright ever become recognised or achieve anything at all!
Akshay Venkatesh, March Tian Boedihardjo - at nine enrolled in Hong Kong university., Terence Tao, Raul Chavez Sarmiento, Sufah Yusof, Priyanshi Somani, Shakuntali Devi - recognised at three as exceptional.
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes Ok, let us assume that our lists are 'equal' for the time being, and move toward your underlying 'excuse' for lack of black success -- namely, that blacks are hated irrationally and have a history of being persecuted, ghettoized and oppressed.
The problem with that is there exists another group of people who have had, through the centuries, the exact same issues, yet remain among the most successful group in society -- the Jews.
You best radio to Houston, you have a problem.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Maybe in modern times, in the US, maybe. Yet, your US-centric ideas let you down again. I would like to see you spin this tale of Jewish success in the ghettos of Israel and Palestine?
Or maybe, talk to the Jews who still live who just survived of the most crushing blows to their ethnicity through the last war, only 60 years ago. Still relevant. Then see what they think of the success of pushing 'racial identity' as a recipe for Jewish success? I mean what planet are you on?
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes On the whole, worldwide, are you asserting Jews are as successful as blacks? Are you asserting that they have been experienced anything substantively different in terms of being oppressed to explain this gap? Do not blacks have their own ethnocentric ideals that compare to Jews, namely Afrocentricism?
You have a big economic gap on one side, and barely a difference on the persecution, hate side. How do you explain this?
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Nope, don't need to. The socio-economic factors are not comparable in the effects they have, and social perception of the 'race' in question is not even close to comparable. I mean the very fact you brought up 'Jews' as a success story speaks to the stereotype of Jewish lawyers and solicitors, and being good with money all that patently absurd crap..
That's why today, arguably, they are successful in the US, because Americans go to Jewish layers etc. because of the stereotype itself..
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {you brought up 'Jews' as a success story speaks to the stereotype of Jewish lawyers and solicitors}
No, I rely on fact, not perceptions:
Income per capita:
Israel 28th 29,602 - comparable to Spain, Italy
US Median household income-
Jewish: $50,000
Average: $42,000
{because Americans go to Jewish layers etc. because of the stereotype itself..}
Sounds like another 'Just so' story on your behalf, do you have any thing but your own imaginings to back this up?
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism How does listing income, a completely subjective thing, based on an abstract thing 'money' show intelligence? Money, a thing in which the earning and value of said abstract commodity is almost entirely based on socioeconomic factors. Especially things like racial perception and the ability to easily attain jobs etc I mean actually this kinda goes to prove my point. There u go the income increases in the US, perceptions of Jews particularly stereotypical in the US. Want me to get polls
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {'money' show intelligence}
If you recall, the idea here is to debate how Jews, while persecuted and hated historically more than blacks, have managed to succeed, while blacks have fallen short. Income is an acceptable measurement of success.
To simplify, blacks may be shunned, but Jews are systematically attacked and killed, so I don't see a correlation that would hold true to the idea that 'hate makes me poor'.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Ummm, how is it? your just asserting that 'money' is a measure of 'success'. As I pointed out before you try to use IQ to infer better life outcomes, such as financial success. Then you argue that it is the financial success that is telling you about better life outcomes, and higher intelligence is definitely being suggested as well?
The argument is almost circular, not to mention many of the terms desperately need defining outside of YOUR own cultural bias. Which is obvious here..
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@mindprism So there is a massive difference in the social and political persecution. I mean how many American nations can claim a hand in foundation, upkeep and military support (more than any other nation to date post WWII) as Israel can. Granted much of this support and funding is garnered by religious groups in the US. Yet, also through the US government in a consistent manner. Explain how that doesn't help, or favour the 'Jews'?
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {So there is a massive difference in the social and political persecution. }
Well. I don't see blacks needing an ever vigilant ADL or JDL (worldwide organizations) to keep a lid on animosity toward their group to prevent another pogrom or mass extermination -- so you are right, there IS a massive difference.
But it is not in your favor.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism And to think, you actually thought that line of argument poses a problem to my line of reasoning that you don't have poof of anything but cultural bias in favour of your 'white' geniuses hypothesis.
I didn't get into any reasons myself as to why 'blacks', supposedly, 'succeed' less. I would kindly ask you not to try and fill in the blanks of my own personal views/opinions without me first stating them. As it is obvious your skills of perception are severely lacking...
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@mindprism Oh and most of those rather famous and easily found names (due to dominance of west-centric history in the media) you referred to are not all technically geniuses at ALL. Many are just famous for inventing something or a concept in science etc.
This also makes the question kinda loaded, as many of the people I would reference you to would hardly be famous, especially since history is written mainly by old status-quo loving white men.
Your also asking me to do your research for u..cont
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes René Descartes, Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, Augustine, Aquinas, Machiavelli, Copernicus, Luther, Bacon, Descartes, Newton, Rousseau, Kant, Darwin, Marx, Maxwell, Nietzsche, Pavlov, Freud, Einstein, Keynes, Sartre, Francis Crick, James Watson, Philo Farnsworth, Enrico Fermi, Alexander Fleming, Robert Goddard, Kurt Gödel, Mary Leakey, Richard Leakey, Jean Piaget, Jonas Salk, William Shockley, Alan Turing, Ludwig, Orville Wright
Happy now?
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Okay, now prove that 'white' a race genetically, tie that to a real and tangible genetic variant or cluster of alleles, specific repetition of gene(s) expression, monozygotic etc. That explains 'genius', whatever that is.
Then explain and provide evidence that it WAS NOT ANY socio-economic, political, cultural or ideological ideas and practices amongst the different ethnic groups which effect the recognition of this genius throughout history. Then a shadow of a point, may, rear up..
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Christopholaes {it WAS NOT ANY socio-economic}
I have never claimed that this isn't a factor. But sadly for your case the heritability of IQ is .85 in adults. This means that such factors are minimal, and not really part of the topic anyway, which is the idea that environment can and does select for IQ (a proxy for better made brains) among population groups.
To deny this yet holding onto the idea that it affects other traits puts you in a burden of proof position, does it not?
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism Considering I'm not the one making claims about 'race' or the distribution of geniuses (or high IQ) there in. Why is the burden of proof on me to retort the list you presented as a form of evidence I didn't ask for?
Also I notice it's a list that favours OUR cultural values in considering 'intelligence'. Not to mention many of these men and women based some of their ideas on that of the eastern philosophy, concepts and art..
But hey you want a list, okay, be ready to admit your wrong
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@mindprism
*Sigh* You remain one of the most caustically prevaricating self-aggrandizing fuckwads I've encountered on the internet. 1. IQ does not equate to achievement. Having a genius IQ doesn't mean you actually contributed fuck all to society. 2. What percentage of black people across the world receive IQ tests? 3. IQ testing began in 1904, so if that's your metric, don't refer to anyone who lived before that time. 4. Stop quoting Rushton like you'll be taken seriously.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough
1a. Then if you are to hire someone and all you know is their IQs, you will disregard those and toss a coin?
1b. Again, you point to the possible exception that proves the rule, but you don't dare come out and say those who have made the most contributions to society have "random IQs" now do you?
2. Enough to directly determine the IQs for most all of the continent of Africa. If you are not aware of this, then you need to bow out of the debate.
mindprism 5 months ago
@Friendough {Stop quoting Rushton like you'll be taken seriously}
Ok, instead I will quote James Dewey Watson, Nobel prize winner, American molecular biologist, geneticist, and zoologist, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA in 1953...
[lookup yourself: inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa...]
Your side has serious black marks against you for how you have treated individuals like this man. You are the ones hard to take seriously now.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism
You really don't understand how quoting things works, do you? I don't care what the guy's IQ is. He didn't have the professional credentials to back up the claims that he made. I don't sign on to everything Chomski has to say about politics just because he's a genius in the field of linguistics.
Like the great majority of hiring managers throughout the world, I would use neither IQ nor a coin toss to decide who I hired. See what I mean when I say you are prevaricating?
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough The following gives an in depth look at the black mark that exists on your side, and makes it comical to assume the anti-racists are even attempting to be impartial in the light of science. And as I said before, this is nothing but treason against the principles of the enlightenment.
google:Gene Expression James Watson Tells the Inconvenient Truth Faces the Consequences
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism
Nope, I can't see that what he said is supported by evidence. He didn't say they score lower on IQ tests, but they have lower intelligence. IQ does not equal intelligence. All testing is fallible, and not realizing that makes you out of your depth. The author of this article abuses the term intelligence, and completely misunderstands what IQ is. And this article cites Lynn, as well? I am heartily underwhelmed.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough {He didn't say they score lower on IQ tests, but they have lower intelligence}
Well, do tell where a great scientist like him would get his ideas about a populations intelligence if not through IQ tests? Suppose it was academic performance? Or is it chicken entrails?
The fact remains that Africans score lower on IQ tests.
{completely misunderstands what IQ is}
How so? And you contend it is... what?
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism
I have a relative who took an IQ test in preschool and tested around 65. He had no developmental disabilities, apart from a case of ADHD, which doesn't affect IQ. However, six years later he tested around 130. Why the difference? Because IQ is just a number. It's a culturally centered test, and it is under ongoing debate. Intelligence and IQ are not equivalent. Where does a brilliant scientist get fucked up ideas? Are you serious, or is this a bullshit rhetorical question?
Friendough 5 months ago
@mindprism
You like quotes, so here is a quote from Alfred Binet, the man who invented IQ testing:
"Some recent thinkers…[have affirmed] that an individual's intelligence is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be increased. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we must try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing."
Binet's method was to identify who needed special attention, so that they could receive more resources for education. Nothing more than that.
Friendough 5 months ago
@Friendough {an individual's intelligence is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be increased.}
Again, you judge with emotions not logic. Brains are brains, they have a capacity, they can be exercised or developed to a degree - but the limitation remains, both in capacity and adeptness.
If you don't believe me, then teach a chimp trigonometry. Hell, teach him long division.
mindprism 5 months ago
@mindprism
You call moving the goal posts logic? We're talking about human beings, not chimps you dishonest parasite.
Friendough 5 months ago
@mindprism Oh, and by the way you just confirmed (with your US-centric historical figure list) that you do indeed use the corn-bred, red-neck, bum-fuck USA version of history.... Well done!!!!!!!!!
Go back to skool!!!
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@mindprism You obviously know absolutely nothing of history or the cultural or ethnic origins of anything in particular. Why are you even trying to comment on a topic that you have the corn-bred red-neck bum-fuck USA version of???
Christopholaes 5 months ago
@Mikkedev
I think this might be my favorite "thumbs up" comment so far!
Friendough 5 months ago
yeah, south africa is a great example civilization blacks are capable of building. Why do people say peanut butter was invented? It's a fucking recipe.
TheVikingNinja 5 months ago
@TheVikingNinja
Well, reciped isn't proper English, last I checked, but how does one say that either Africans or Europeans alone built what is now modern Africa? It was the joint effort of a colonial period, and both Africans and Europeans have to bear responsibility for that history.
Friendough 5 months ago
Marmiteman is a classic example of someone who knows nothing about world history and who therefore suffers from temporal prejudice. It does not occur to him that European dominence in the world is a fairly recent and transient event.
WildwoodClaire1 5 months ago
I own a shirt just like MarmiteMan's. Should I feel embarrassed? :(
WildwoodClaire1 5 months ago
@WildwoodClaire1 Damn, now that you said that, I want one too >_< Oh, and merry International Talk Like A Pirate Day, AARGGHH!
OverusedArgument 5 months ago
@WildwoodClaire1
Yes, you should. Shame!
Of course, I own a similar shirt, too, but in the spirit of racism, I'll just pretend that I don't.
Friendough 5 months ago