I find the whole discussion of plagiarism on pop/rock genre naive. Simplicity is pretty much what defines them, and you can only do so much with 3 to 4 chords in a major scale.
Anyway, Coldplay has uses the same chord progression of Satriani's but not the same main melody. Satriani (and consequently Coldplay) does not use the same chord progression of this Enanitos Verdes' song but they have a very similar main melody.
OMG people! All three songs have like 4 similiar notes.... Does not mean they are stolen! There are only so many notes on a scale. Similar sequences are going to come up every so often!
what a douche. first 2 seconds of the frances song is same as joe's song. big deal, and if thats the case, all the songs of these days are a copy of some other song...
God you obviuosly have no music training and they are not the same melodies or same keys!Satriani is an incredible musician and you are an illiterate no body
Waitasecond, I think there's some end credit music in one of the Resident Evil games that in turn sounds spookily similar... seriously people, let this lie!
EITHER:
Coldplay ripped off Satch who in turn ripped off Verdes,
OR:
This has all been one massive coincidence. Guitar snobs seriously need to calm down...
I think Joe and Enanitos Verdes came up with the melody separately because Enanitos released their song before Satch but Satch wrote If I could Fly for 10 years.
Heh... typical reactions to videos like these. On Joe Satriani videos we see Coldplay fanboys turning their heads at the similarities, and on this video we see Joe Satriani fanboys doing exactly the same thing. The whole "stealing music" thing seems stupid to me. Considering how long music has been around for, I'm sure it's more than likely that much of the music today has been written at some point in the past.
And no, I don't like Coldplay, Joe Satriani, or whoever this band is.
@rockwellumrocks2 u dont have to like em for the facts to be giving, coldplay admitted that the music was stolen purposely from satriani and thats fact about the situation, also they paid there way out of court so they didnt lose there awards
Where are you getting your facts from bud? Type 'Coldplay lawsuit dropped' into Google and according to various articles it may have been settled out of court but more importantly the lawsuit against Coldplay was dropped without them having to admit anything at all....
@aammcc1234 yes the law suit was dropped without them having to admit anything at all but they did in fact admit to satriani that they took the beat of his song
@daxeboy9 sure thing i will asap, i looked it up a while back and had the articles where they did but got a new laptop so it mite take me a couple days
To all the Joe haters. Coldplay had to pay up. End of story. Next time don't pick on a guy who's been around forever, by all accounts an amazing musician who's taught the likes of Kirk Hammett of Metallica, and toured with the Stones. And for the other half of people with the Who's Satriani bullcrap -- Do you really think the only good music is sell out pop that's commercially viable? You obviously don't know the difference between a performer and an artist so go watch American Idol!
@hiimanub musician (of course) he taught Kirk Hammet (lead guitarist for Metallica) and the guitarist for third eye blind i think but other than that he's a awesome musician :)
I like coldplay, I hate satriani. But the melody is exactly the same at a point. But why is he making a point? Because coldplay is popular? Because he envies coldplay? Because he is a weirdo? Each album has songs which are slighty influenced by some song, and not everyone is making a point of that. Satriani got into the news for free. That's the only thing he deserves.
@x9x8x7x61 there's a difference between an ''influence'' and a straight up take from the melody of another song. I think if you where a singer / songwriter and you poured your heart into a song, only to be ripped off by another band i think you would start making a point about it .
@x9x8x7x61 Influencing is one thing, copying another. Joe Satriani makes a lot better music than Coldplay and has been doing so for decades.. envy Coldplay? What's there to envy?
Satriani is brill. Coldplay are supposed to be one the best British bands out - To me they are crap. I dont think Coldplay copied Joe's If I could fly on purpose. They put some chord sequences together & we all know the rest.. Then again did Joe steal it from Enanitos. I think the same happened again. Led Zep had the same prob with Whole lotta love.
Also Cheryl Cole was reported to have copied Kelis.
ok first off, im both enanitos verdes and satriani's fan and i can say, this is bullshit, they just sound similar in like 4 notes and satriani's is in a higher octave, and besides the rest of the song doesn't sound alike at all, so screw this theory of satriani copying them of the other way around.
"if the ripped version turns out better than the original, then the original should be replaced by the ripped version and the original writer should have to pay a penalty to the new writer"
satriani made a demo of "if i could fly" back in the early 90's or i believe it was the late late 80's, so yea satriani wrote it before both groups even thought of it...
The backing music is drastically different in the Satch and Verdes clips, only the melody is similar, but not exact. And, the music is not the same for more than two measures. However, the music and melody line in Satch's song and the coldplay song is nearly identitical for more than 12 straight measures. He is owed at least a writing credit. He will win the case, according to my sister who has a Ph.D. in music and works for a publishing company.
Honestly, by now its pretty much impossible to write a relatively popular melody without it being a "rip off" or a song before it. The whole argument about who copied who is pretty pointless. Everybody can bicker and talk shit all they want, but the truth is that we will most likely never know for sure whether Coldplay copied Satriani, or if Satriani copied Enanitos Verdes. There's no need to throw out mindless insults about the artists either. Just my two cents.
This video makes a great point. Maybe Coldplay did plagiarize, maybe they didn't. Maybe Satch's melody subconsciously snuck into Chris Martin's head while he was writing Viva La Vida. You can never really know. There's so much music out there that there's no guarantee that your 5 notes and chord progression hasn't been played somewhere else before.
mmm i would like to say something here, there is a difference in what the autor of the video calls "chord progression" and the actual melody of a song, viva la vida doesnt just share some chords, but the vocals are almost identical to joe's tune on the guitar, that, is plagiarism.
that is not copyright infringment dicks becuz the whole instrumental and everything is diffrent except for the the vocalist melody everything else is diffrent,its not enough
That's a bunch of shit. That does not sound similar at all. If anybody thinks that sounds anything like these guys, they need to get their head examined and their ears checked.
Well, I think that Satriani copied those 4 notes, that are the most awesome thing of the sond "If I could fly". So, just deal with it, its the same thing as Frances Limon but, in Satriani style. Don't get mad, just accept it.
HEY to all of u, i dont think Satriani could ever climb up his thrown without working on his own.A guitarist of his class should not be accused of copying anything
no one here knows anything about music. only the first five or six notes of the melody are the same, and it's an entirely different chord sequence. listen for the root note. Coldplay is C# Eb Ab F#m. Satriani is E A D Bm. Those aren't the same intervals, even if you shifted the key up.
HAHAHA!!! look at the Like and Dislike hits on this Video, Many dislike, So Professor Satchafunkilus wins the Case. They can use the same Chord Progression but make their own melody It is evident that The melody is very much similar to Satch's sone, so it's a close copy. Sorry dude, your obsession with this band is not praiseworthy at all
It actually is a copy... "If I could Fly" is an extended electric guitar solo, while "Francis Limon" is played in a Spanish style with a more prominent (and dragging) Bass.
lol...Rock progression and melodies maybe used over and over agian..but how bout both in the same song..the same melody and the same progression..I mean come on really??
It is definitely stolen; at best the guy heard it, didn't think he was stealing it, and re'wrote' it from his head.
if you cant hear this, you are tonedeaf. moreover, skilled musicians are globally agreeing. That again: scholars of music say that it is unfightable in court....
I honestly don't know what the problem is. Yeah, they sound the same. Big deal. Of course, stealing is bad... but I honestly don't think Coldplay stole it.
Calling Coldplay or Satriani bad is an opinion.. personally I like both of them. But, similar sounding music should not be automatically considered "stealing". Could be.. but I highly doubt it.
Okay...so I am not a musician. I am just a regular guy. I have now heard all three versions. IT'S THE SAME FRIGGING SONG!!! How can people not hear that? I don't like Coldplay, I don't like Joe Satriani and I don't like Enanitos Verdes. It doesn't matter---IT'S THE SAME DAMN SONG!!!!!
honestly nobody copied anything, being a guitarist myself 90% of good sounding chord progressions have been done before your bound to find similar songs, i mean think of all 5 milion songs using the progression G D Am C, and i'm not exaggerating, and don't even start with Saying Satch is bad, he is a jazz /blues fusion instrumental guitarist, and a very good one at that, anyone to say otherwise is just stubborn.
@cavajason You're right about that, the progressions tend to repeat a lot, but there's also rythm and some melody here in this issue, if it onle were a mere case of chord progression I don't think Satriani would've done anything.
yeah you said it in the review, satriani is probably trying to keep his pride in his old age. The fact that over the years all the different chord progressions how are people not going to run into similar sounds, its all over right now, satriani doesnt understand this he's from a different generation.
Satriani didn't copy anything, the song from Satriani shares like 4 notes with Enanitos Verde's song, so NO, JOE SATRIANI DIDN'T STEAL A THING AND YES! COLDPLAY COPIED SATRIANI'S ORIGINAL SONG: "IF I COULD FLY"
How can you possibly think Viva La Vida sounds more like If I could fly than if I could fly sounds like Frances Limon. Oh wait, I know how. You're probably a Satch fan.
@eltiogamboin exactly what im thinking satriani's song doesnt sound near enanitos' song....however coldplay paid up to satriani due to the fact that they knew they stole his song
@MrTheCircle Perhaps it was just easier than going to court? Why have the agro when you can pay your way out of it. And for the record, its pretty easy to accidently copy somebody, think of all the music that exists throughout the world, it just so happened that the two artists involved were both pretty famous.
@aammcc1234 they paid out and admitted that they stole the song tho it wasnt just that they paid there way out of court they paid him and admitted to taking the song from him, and if they didnt steal the song they would of went to court with him because they wouldnt of worried about losing the awards they made off of it
@eltiogamboin bwahaha. This sounds almost exactly like if I could fly. You're kidding me right? Typical fanboy. You act like there's really an ounce of originality in this world anymore... 6.7 billion people. Tap into reality. Everyone plagiarizes everyone.
@mililaniguy You do realise that once you've established the chord progression, you can (quite easily) alter the "feel" of a song by simply converting a Major progression to a Minor progression? Or Minor to Major in this case. Easier still to a professional.
But I think a lot of people are missing the point: ultimately what we've got are three different pieces of music; Satch's differs in feel, CP's differs in texture.
I blame the guitar snobs for taking this whole thing far too seriously!
The first part is the same, exactly the same. But in the rail down it's different. If you played the coldplay bit you'd hear it's tic for tac the same.
On this occasion, I think that JS's guitar solo & groove sounds far better than the Coldplay's one. But, I don't think they copied it. I usually love Coldplay, but here their chords don't sound as nice, and they could have done more to make the solo sound nicer. But it all sounds similar because it is NATURAL music. Give anyone a keyboard or guitar and ask them to improvise for a few hours and they would almost certainly hit one of these chord progression, and maybe even the melody.
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ARE YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES KIDDING ME!?
Coldplay owns Shitriani in any way, just because that shitbag underground prick nobody knew claims they "stole" a random melody from one of his ass-sucking guitar riffs doesn't mean they did! In 100 years, will there be many melodies other bands didn't play before?!
Viva la Vida >>>>>>>>>> If I could fly any day, just look at the copies sold and popularity of Coldplay, the best band at the moment
@mrmaster52 Satriani isn't just a nobody, almost every guitarist, not including beginners, knows of him and respects him for what he has done, but still you are right. Even these days it is nearly impossible to write something new... cheers mate
only thing that is the same about these two is the first chord and the first three notes, where as the cold play song has nearly the exact same chord progression and a slightly varied melody (compare vocals to the guitar) as joes song. also if people want to be having kittens about this, please listen to autumn leaves and you will descover that that most likely what influenced satch.
They no doubt share the same drum machine! But the issue is not if the chords, scales, or melody lines are similar. The issue is could ColdPlay have written the song independent of having heard Satch's tune. I thought ColdPlay to be a U2 cover band from the start, so I think they got too comfortable ripping off material and got caught. The scale that is being used makes them all sound a little Santana-ish.
Hey guys, if you know anything about music theory instead of just listening to it. If you disect it and look at it in the theory and "science" of it then Viva and If i Could Fly are the same exact song. Cold Play cant write, Satch spent a long ass time writing that song and perfecting it...the Coldplay stole it. They are the douche bags lol.
Oh really dickhead? How do you explain Satriani stole the melody from the other band then!?
By a random coincidence, Coldplay IMPROVED cords that are similar to these ones, but that doesn't mean anything. How could they know Joe Fuckmynanny existed? He's a nobody, a loser, and the chords sound A LOT better with Coldplay
yeah enanitos verdes are coming to a little show in cordoba veracruz (mexico) where i live :D they own and satrianni clearly copy enanitos verdes but coldplay didn't
well the thing is. Coldplay is still living a good life, like it or not. and their album still was a hit. sue or no sue, they are still having a good life.
They sure are having a good life & Racking in the cash with such a monster hit. But sooner or later they will have to give some of it to settle the lawsuit(s). As for their album it took the talent of Brian Eno (U2's producer) & copying & using
U2's Edge style guitar riffs & sound & ripping other artists in order for them to come up with a Hit album. If you've heard their previous album X&Y you'll know how low they hit rock bottom of their musical talent.Not a single hit from it.
Are you fucking stupid. The 2nd song is a totally different voicing. Same fucking key and possibly chord progression but different voicing in the lead which is what Satch is sueing coldplay for you stupid dumb fucks.
Lol what a douche. Satriani did not have to sue them. Even if they possibly did take the melody, so what. I understand it may have been his work (even though it wasn't really his either), but I don't know. To me that's just a bitch move.
Each version uses his characteristic style, of course of every artist, really, you fans of Coldplay, No Does not have to protest, clearly we realize that Coldplay Joe Satriani plagiarism, and Satriani copying to Enanitos Verdes Satriani, like Enanitos Copy to another artist, you could say that this song is the story of musical plagiarism :P
Coldplay is nothing more than a bunch of U2 wannabes!!!!! Let's see them keep their popularity for 3 Decades as Satriani has!!!! Coldplay will fade away just as all of these other new cookie cutter style bands will!!! Satch Forever!!!
Try replying to more recent comments, I had no idea what the fuck you were talking about. I still think my comment was funny. It was just a joke, I am a Satriani Fan.
haha true that, thats why it was such a big deal, verdes and satriani were both good guitarists and, in reality we aren't even talking about a necessarily great song of either of theirs, so who gives a shit about those, were talking a shitty band that steals a song and makes top charts with it.
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woah i didn't even know their was a third group involved in this Satriani, Coldplay, and Enanitos Verdes!!! i don't give a crap if coldplay copied any of those musicians they made it sound the best!!!
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They all sound a little different to me.. but one thing is clear Enanitos came out first and their version is 100 times better... Colplay can play with their little pipis and Joey Buttafuktard can keep copying everyone elses shit
"get a life satch?" say that to his face. anyway, if you've got any ear for the melody, you'll know that the difference is in the ending progression. if its close to possible, satch improv'd off the song. period. Its truly unfortunate that joe was unable to take this to court, and had to make an agreement with them, almost outside the legal system. thank god for joe's attorneys and fans who annoyed the crap out of coldplay.
jajajaj la de Enanitos Verdes nada que ver, jajaj si como no, Joe satriani copiando a los pajeritos verdes, que sigue...Metallica copiandole a flans, por favor!!!, esto es absurdo
Is Coldplay even trying to deny this is a direct copy?........if they are they need only look at the timing, and chord progressions to know they will lose this fight in court. Joe wrote this song over 10 years ago. Case closed.
Well if having simmilar chord progression means it's copied. This only proves that Satriani copied Enanitos Verdes, right? Case closed? Theives are the ones who deserve to be stolen from.
This video showed clearly that Satriani didn't copy Enanitos Verdes: The songs are different!! There is an other video that showed how Coldpplay copied him
dude thats his music that is what he wakes up for and does all day same with me i play 8 hours a day and i too would be pissed off if someone stole my music
We realize how similar much of it is with both rhythm, melody, and coldplays vocals to Satrianis guitar riffs. However when you go and compare it to Verdes, though the chord progression is not similar, the riff is in many way almost exact. This supports that coincidence is very possible in the lawsuit. The chords are very basic and being that there are multiple songs that incorporate a lead melody so similar to satrianis riffs and coldplays vocals, coincidence may be a valid answer.
Hmm, re Satriani and Verdes, there's a similarity rhythmically but melody and chord wise there's virtually no similarity at all. Satriani and Coldplay however have almost chord for chord and note for note exact matches. Probably still a coincidence though
That's just ignorant. So Joe taught Steve a few licks.. Vai was playing with Zappa in 1980 when he was 20... Nobody even heard of Satriani (except his students) until Vai used his fame to promote him.
man, that sucks XD, everyone says that one song copied the other one, I think finally every song is simillar... there are so much examples, not only coldplay and santriani...
There are other songs which are very similar, but sometimes it can be just a random
Any sensible musician will say that it is exaggerated. The resemblance is surprising but the coincidence is far from being improbable. I am guitarist and several years ago I composed a theme of 9 notes completely similar to a phrasing from the piano concerto #3 of Rachmaninov. I had still never listened to this artist before! By chance, I 'm not so famous than Coldplay, I believe that one would judge me systematically!
Nope, bassline is completely different in Enanitos Verdes, and it stretches on for four more bars. Coldplay stole it from Satriani.
Sure all that chord progression stuff you mentioned in the description applies to Enanitos Verdes, but Viva la Vida is blasphemously ripped from Satriani's If I Could Fly.
Cascada too.
Pieces of Heaven.
UpwardsFallings 1 week ago
You sir, are a douchebag.
Charliechoes 3 months ago
Talent borrows, Genius steals.
matrags 5 months ago 3
I find the whole discussion of plagiarism on pop/rock genre naive. Simplicity is pretty much what defines them, and you can only do so much with 3 to 4 chords in a major scale.
Anyway, Coldplay has uses the same chord progression of Satriani's but not the same main melody. Satriani (and consequently Coldplay) does not use the same chord progression of this Enanitos Verdes' song but they have a very similar main melody.
diegofloor 6 months ago
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xLozzieLollipop7x 5 months ago
look at all the satriani fans arguing the toss over something nobody cares about
ZxprosserxZ 6 months ago
OMG people! All three songs have like 4 similiar notes.... Does not mean they are stolen! There are only so many notes on a scale. Similar sequences are going to come up every so often!
DancerManda27 8 months ago
Verdes song's chord progression is totally different from Stach's.
Chriskkboongg 8 months ago
I hope they buy Cat Stevens too.
varoennauraa 10 months ago
what a douche. first 2 seconds of the frances song is same as joe's song. big deal, and if thats the case, all the songs of these days are a copy of some other song...
jona544 1 year ago
This whole thing is a publicity stunt. Know why? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BUYING THESE SONGS JUST TO COMPARE THEM!!!
Arse7assassin 1 year ago 4
God you obviuosly have no music training and they are not the same melodies or same keys!Satriani is an incredible musician and you are an illiterate no body
RobertPaulGoode 1 year ago
God you obviuosly have no music training and they are not the same melodies or same keys!
RobertPaulGoode 1 year ago
Waitasecond, I think there's some end credit music in one of the Resident Evil games that in turn sounds spookily similar... seriously people, let this lie!
EITHER:
Coldplay ripped off Satch who in turn ripped off Verdes,
OR:
This has all been one massive coincidence. Guitar snobs seriously need to calm down...
DanielTNicolas 1 year ago
Hahaha increible, como si Satriani supiera quienes son los enanitos, ellos son famosos en nuestras tierras latinas.
nicolasrivera 1 year ago
nobody copied nobody.
TrancoTechnizer 1 year ago
Very little similarity. Unlike the Satriani / Coldplay songs.
WhistlersBrother 1 year ago
The groove, the key, the tempo, everything is different, but coldplay's one is EQUAL
VMP007 1 year ago
Coldplay copied Satriani, Satriani copied Enanitos Verdes. End of.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
wait a minute, satriani stole this song? well he doesn't have a case against coldplay, but enanitos verdes sure do.
083770 1 year ago
viva la vida is song from 2008 .. and if i could fly is from 2004.... do you mean beastered? :@
green9day4 1 year ago
@green9day4 okay now i'm confused. are you saying that both enanitos verdes and coldplay steal from joe satriani?
083770 1 year ago
I think Joe and Enanitos Verdes came up with the melody separately because Enanitos released their song before Satch but Satch wrote If I could Fly for 10 years.
OliOsbourne 1 year ago
Heh... typical reactions to videos like these. On Joe Satriani videos we see Coldplay fanboys turning their heads at the similarities, and on this video we see Joe Satriani fanboys doing exactly the same thing. The whole "stealing music" thing seems stupid to me. Considering how long music has been around for, I'm sure it's more than likely that much of the music today has been written at some point in the past.
And no, I don't like Coldplay, Joe Satriani, or whoever this band is.
rockwellumrocks2 1 year ago
@rockwellumrocks2 u dont have to like em for the facts to be giving, coldplay admitted that the music was stolen purposely from satriani and thats fact about the situation, also they paid there way out of court so they didnt lose there awards
MrTheCircle 1 year ago
Where are you getting your facts from bud? Type 'Coldplay lawsuit dropped' into Google and according to various articles it may have been settled out of court but more importantly the lawsuit against Coldplay was dropped without them having to admit anything at all....
aammcc1234 1 year ago
@aammcc1234 yes the law suit was dropped without them having to admit anything at all but they did in fact admit to satriani that they took the beat of his song
MrTheCircle 1 year ago
@MrTheCircle When did they admit it I never read or saw an interview of that. Can you point me in the right direction to the article or info??
daxeboy9 1 year ago
@daxeboy9 sure thing i will asap, i looked it up a while back and had the articles where they did but got a new laptop so it mite take me a couple days
MrTheCircle 1 year ago
Obvious troll account is obvious.
OtherRealmer 1 year ago
The case was settled out of of court... I wonder why? hahaha... It would take an idiot to realize who's the guilty one... ;-D
darkolyte30 1 year ago
Hey, this makes me think of Marty Balin singing "Hearts" - remember it? A similar sound in places...
Hearts can break, and never mend together
love can fade away
Hearts can cry, when love won't stay forever
hearts can be that way
ytcarol 1 year ago
weak connection at best, no stronger than pinning plagiarism on Enanitos Verdes for ripping their line & changes from Marty Balin's "Hearts" (1981).
jpbreeze 1 year ago
Jajajaja vos te crees que satriani tiene que comer de los enanitos verdes. dios mio.
PeriMaiden90 1 year ago
COLDPLAY COPIED IT !!
dude you suck. joe satriani is the best in the world with steve vai and john petrucci
debakkertje12 1 year ago
and...steve vai surpassed his master years ago.
3lullabies 1 year ago
satriani makes elevator metal for guys that play golf but still think they are rockers.
3lullabies 1 year ago
To all the Joe haters. Coldplay had to pay up. End of story. Next time don't pick on a guy who's been around forever, by all accounts an amazing musician who's taught the likes of Kirk Hammett of Metallica, and toured with the Stones. And for the other half of people with the Who's Satriani bullcrap -- Do you really think the only good music is sell out pop that's commercially viable? You obviously don't know the difference between a performer and an artist so go watch American Idol!
theshortladders 1 year ago
The cat walks backward in rain
zacho3to 1 year ago
who the hell is joe satraini?
hiimanub 1 year ago
@hiimanub musician (of course) he taught Kirk Hammet (lead guitarist for Metallica) and the guitarist for third eye blind i think but other than that he's a awesome musician :)
TheDorkySquirrel 1 year ago
But the difference is half of people don't know who Joe Satraini is and Coldplay made Viva la Vida No.1 in the charts.
MrHyper12345678910 1 year ago
Alizee - Jen ai marre
Cat Stevens 'Foreigner Suite'
Satriani - if i could fly
Creaky boards - the song i didn't write
enanitos verdes - Frances Limon
pizanoxd 1 year ago
I like coldplay, I hate satriani. But the melody is exactly the same at a point. But why is he making a point? Because coldplay is popular? Because he envies coldplay? Because he is a weirdo? Each album has songs which are slighty influenced by some song, and not everyone is making a point of that. Satriani got into the news for free. That's the only thing he deserves.
x9x8x7x61 1 year ago
@x9x8x7x61 there's a difference between an ''influence'' and a straight up take from the melody of another song. I think if you where a singer / songwriter and you poured your heart into a song, only to be ripped off by another band i think you would start making a point about it .
AdieuAndy 1 year ago
@x9x8x7x61 Influencing is one thing, copying another. Joe Satriani makes a lot better music than Coldplay and has been doing so for decades.. envy Coldplay? What's there to envy?
RsGhost1 1 year ago
@x9x8x7x61 joe satriani makes better music and it is not okay to copy any music from someone else without permission.
debakkertje12 1 year ago
How would Joe have ever listened to this? - nobody even knows them. Plus, it's a totally different scalar mode.
JScottPeregrine 1 year ago
Satriani is brill. Coldplay are supposed to be one the best British bands out - To me they are crap. I dont think Coldplay copied Joe's If I could fly on purpose. They put some chord sequences together & we all know the rest.. Then again did Joe steal it from Enanitos. I think the same happened again. Led Zep had the same prob with Whole lotta love.
Also Cheryl Cole was reported to have copied Kelis.
MrGarypeck 1 year ago
Que grandeee santriani habra escuchado Divididos tambien?? ojo eh! estos chanquis son unos chorros!! muy buen video!!
AgusAndRaven 1 year ago
Anyone considered that perhaps such is just a simple structured note progression, thus making it rather appealing and common?
MortarMann 1 year ago
4 notes down an octave or something like that, and satriani copied? fuck this fag
valeriobert 1 year ago
i dont now , it sounds pretty much the same , but the thing is that the diference is in the execution , because satriani uses much more effects
proyekto25 1 year ago
ok first off, im both enanitos verdes and satriani's fan and i can say, this is bullshit, they just sound similar in like 4 notes and satriani's is in a higher octave, and besides the rest of the song doesn't sound alike at all, so screw this theory of satriani copying them of the other way around.
TheOnix123 1 year ago
"if the ripped version turns out better than the original, then the original should be replaced by the ripped version and the original writer should have to pay a penalty to the new writer"
- chris martin
AhYaOk 1 year ago
satriani made a demo of "if i could fly" back in the early 90's or i believe it was the late late 80's, so yea satriani wrote it before both groups even thought of it...
JacksonGuitarist718 1 year ago
The backing music is drastically different in the Satch and Verdes clips, only the melody is similar, but not exact. And, the music is not the same for more than two measures. However, the music and melody line in Satch's song and the coldplay song is nearly identitical for more than 12 straight measures. He is owed at least a writing credit. He will win the case, according to my sister who has a Ph.D. in music and works for a publishing company.
evhman 1 year ago
Honestly, by now its pretty much impossible to write a relatively popular melody without it being a "rip off" or a song before it. The whole argument about who copied who is pretty pointless. Everybody can bicker and talk shit all they want, but the truth is that we will most likely never know for sure whether Coldplay copied Satriani, or if Satriani copied Enanitos Verdes. There's no need to throw out mindless insults about the artists either. Just my two cents.
skyline3295 1 year ago
This video makes a great point. Maybe Coldplay did plagiarize, maybe they didn't. Maybe Satch's melody subconsciously snuck into Chris Martin's head while he was writing Viva La Vida. You can never really know. There's so much music out there that there's no guarantee that your 5 notes and chord progression hasn't been played somewhere else before.
Theblob516 1 year ago
mmm i would like to say something here, there is a difference in what the autor of the video calls "chord progression" and the actual melody of a song, viva la vida doesnt just share some chords, but the vocals are almost identical to joe's tune on the guitar, that, is plagiarism.
LuckFx 1 year ago
JoeSatchSucksD , you are retarded. its not just chord progression.
pgdrums12 1 year ago
You freaking bastard
Flying94Man 1 year ago
They're completely different, you dumbass...
MetalMilitian13 1 year ago
that is not copyright infringment dicks becuz the whole instrumental and everything is diffrent except for the the vocalist melody everything else is diffrent,its not enough
2k9Jenna 1 year ago
That's a bunch of shit. That does not sound similar at all. If anybody thinks that sounds anything like these guys, they need to get their head examined and their ears checked.
guitarheroaddict365 1 year ago
Well, I think that Satriani copied those 4 notes, that are the most awesome thing of the sond "If I could fly". So, just deal with it, its the same thing as Frances Limon but, in Satriani style. Don't get mad, just accept it.
masterdvd007 1 year ago
HEY to all of u, i dont think Satriani could ever climb up his thrown without working on his own.A guitarist of his class should not be accused of copying anything
GotzosSpyr 1 year ago
SATRIANI FORERVER
inverte1 1 year ago
no one here knows anything about music. only the first five or six notes of the melody are the same, and it's an entirely different chord sequence. listen for the root note. Coldplay is C# Eb Ab F#m. Satriani is E A D Bm. Those aren't the same intervals, even if you shifted the key up.
sucralosekids 1 year ago
haha if you talk like this almost all mainstream shit is copied, along with most things that have chord progressions
Guitareben 1 year ago
HAHAHA!!! look at the Like and Dislike hits on this Video, Many dislike, So Professor Satchafunkilus wins the Case. They can use the same Chord Progression but make their own melody It is evident that The melody is very much similar to Satch's sone, so it's a close copy. Sorry dude, your obsession with this band is not praiseworthy at all
acecepeda 1 year ago
It actually is a copy... "If I could Fly" is an extended electric guitar solo, while "Francis Limon" is played in a Spanish style with a more prominent (and dragging) Bass.
LKDynamite7 1 year ago
Satriani's 'If I Could Fly" was released in 04' ...coldplay's song was released in 08' ...nuff said...stupid fahks
sssssshhhiiittt 1 year ago
lol...Rock progression and melodies maybe used over and over agian..but how bout both in the same song..the same melody and the same progression..I mean come on really??
nignoman2021 1 year ago
the final two chords are completely different assfuck. Are you trying to claim he stole half of a riff from a lesser musician? Strong case. LOL
buckeyebullet 1 year ago
It is definitely stolen; at best the guy heard it, didn't think he was stealing it, and re'wrote' it from his head.
if you cant hear this, you are tonedeaf. moreover, skilled musicians are globally agreeing. That again: scholars of music say that it is unfightable in court....
RobSoundtrack 1 year ago
@RobSoundtrack Truth.
Pillguin5000 1 year ago
um, judging by your username, did you just create an account for this video? just curious.
inthemood1939 1 year ago
enanitos verdeees! jajaja
sofiaablanco 1 year ago
I think this whole thing is pretty uhhhhhhhhhhhh STUPID
MrBoycat101 1 year ago
I honestly don't know what the problem is. Yeah, they sound the same. Big deal. Of course, stealing is bad... but I honestly don't think Coldplay stole it.
Calling Coldplay or Satriani bad is an opinion.. personally I like both of them. But, similar sounding music should not be automatically considered "stealing". Could be.. but I highly doubt it.
mrrugburn911 1 year ago
how fuckin dare you hate on satch bow your monkey ass in same for being a moron who doesnt know snakes from dildos about guitar
ninjafretshadow 2 years ago
Okay...so I am not a musician. I am just a regular guy. I have now heard all three versions. IT'S THE SAME FRIGGING SONG!!! How can people not hear that? I don't like Coldplay, I don't like Joe Satriani and I don't like Enanitos Verdes. It doesn't matter---IT'S THE SAME DAMN SONG!!!!!
GreekGuy9999 2 years ago
honestly nobody copied anything, being a guitarist myself 90% of good sounding chord progressions have been done before your bound to find similar songs, i mean think of all 5 milion songs using the progression G D Am C, and i'm not exaggerating, and don't even start with Saying Satch is bad, he is a jazz /blues fusion instrumental guitarist, and a very good one at that, anyone to say otherwise is just stubborn.
cavajason 2 years ago
@cavajason You're right about that, the progressions tend to repeat a lot, but there's also rythm and some melody here in this issue, if it onle were a mere case of chord progression I don't think Satriani would've done anything.
eltiogamboin 2 years ago
yeah you said it in the review, satriani is probably trying to keep his pride in his old age. The fact that over the years all the different chord progressions how are people not going to run into similar sounds, its all over right now, satriani doesnt understand this he's from a different generation.
Filmster81 2 years ago
Satriani didn't copy anything, the song from Satriani shares like 4 notes with Enanitos Verde's song, so NO, JOE SATRIANI DIDN'T STEAL A THING AND YES! COLDPLAY COPIED SATRIANI'S ORIGINAL SONG: "IF I COULD FLY"
eltiogamboin 2 years ago 47
How can you possibly think Viva La Vida sounds more like If I could fly than if I could fly sounds like Frances Limon. Oh wait, I know how. You're probably a Satch fan.
Dewality 2 years ago
@eltiogamboin Yeah!! and "viva la vida" is the perfect copy (with al the notes) of joe satriani's song.
defman02 1 year ago
@eltiogamboin 3 notes actually. lol.
ZacharyLandgraf1 1 year ago
@eltiogamboin exactly what im thinking satriani's song doesnt sound near enanitos' song....however coldplay paid up to satriani due to the fact that they knew they stole his song
MrTheCircle 1 year ago
@MrTheCircle correct :)
sparx3600 1 year ago
@sparx3600 i think i say it for both of us when i say satriani shall be one of my favorite guitarist for the rest of my life
MrTheCircle 1 year ago
@MrTheCircle Perhaps it was just easier than going to court? Why have the agro when you can pay your way out of it. And for the record, its pretty easy to accidently copy somebody, think of all the music that exists throughout the world, it just so happened that the two artists involved were both pretty famous.
aammcc1234 1 year ago
@aammcc1234 they paid out and admitted that they stole the song tho it wasnt just that they paid there way out of court they paid him and admitted to taking the song from him, and if they didnt steal the song they would of went to court with him because they wouldnt of worried about losing the awards they made off of it
MrTheCircle 1 year ago
@eltiogamboin bwahaha. This sounds almost exactly like if I could fly. You're kidding me right? Typical fanboy. You act like there's really an ounce of originality in this world anymore... 6.7 billion people. Tap into reality. Everyone plagiarizes everyone.
alexkills 1 year ago
@eltiogamboin You're wrong! The idea and musical intention, the feeling, all are obvious riped off!
shakriviere 3 months ago
that just said it all
satriani copied that
colplay followed
lol
royboykie 2 years ago
I think the keys are different. Satriani is a more uplifting and soaring major key, this piece sounds like in the minor.
My wife and I both agree: Coldplay's Vida sounds VERY similar to Satch.
mililaniguy 2 years ago 12
@mililaniguy You do realise that once you've established the chord progression, you can (quite easily) alter the "feel" of a song by simply converting a Major progression to a Minor progression? Or Minor to Major in this case. Easier still to a professional.
But I think a lot of people are missing the point: ultimately what we've got are three different pieces of music; Satch's differs in feel, CP's differs in texture.
I blame the guitar snobs for taking this whole thing far too seriously!
DanielTNicolas 1 year ago
@mililaniguy Nope. Exact same key.
IsaacTheGuitarist 8 months ago
Rhythm is the same. Notes are different though.
pulledteeth 2 years ago
The first part is the same, exactly the same. But in the rail down it's different. If you played the coldplay bit you'd hear it's tic for tac the same.
humansRpepul2 2 years ago
On this occasion, I think that JS's guitar solo & groove sounds far better than the Coldplay's one. But, I don't think they copied it. I usually love Coldplay, but here their chords don't sound as nice, and they could have done more to make the solo sound nicer. But it all sounds similar because it is NATURAL music. Give anyone a keyboard or guitar and ask them to improvise for a few hours and they would almost certainly hit one of these chord progression, and maybe even the melody.
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doronel 2 years ago
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ARE YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES KIDDING ME!?
Coldplay owns Shitriani in any way, just because that shitbag underground prick nobody knew claims they "stole" a random melody from one of his ass-sucking guitar riffs doesn't mean they did! In 100 years, will there be many melodies other bands didn't play before?!
Viva la Vida >>>>>>>>>> If I could fly any day, just look at the copies sold and popularity of Coldplay, the best band at the moment
mrmaster52 2 years ago
@mrmaster52 Satriani isn't just a nobody, almost every guitarist, not including beginners, knows of him and respects him for what he has done, but still you are right. Even these days it is nearly impossible to write something new... cheers mate
Evildansk 2 years ago
Not too similiar if you ask me.
ProgOrDie 2 years ago
only thing that is the same about these two is the first chord and the first three notes, where as the cold play song has nearly the exact same chord progression and a slightly varied melody (compare vocals to the guitar) as joes song. also if people want to be having kittens about this, please listen to autumn leaves and you will descover that that most likely what influenced satch.
N0V4S74R 2 years ago
so tell me joe bitchtriani?
from what plastic surgeon did you recieve the balls to sue a band for a song that sounds exactly like two songs that came out before yours did?
ie frances limon and cat stevens?
satch is a money hungry douchebag,
go ahead, downrave all you want. you know its true
im8teennow 2 years ago
They no doubt share the same drum machine! But the issue is not if the chords, scales, or melody lines are similar. The issue is could ColdPlay have written the song independent of having heard Satch's tune. I thought ColdPlay to be a U2 cover band from the start, so I think they got too comfortable ripping off material and got caught. The scale that is being used makes them all sound a little Santana-ish.
AristophanesNow 2 years ago
only coldplay could turn such an awesome song into shit
earthlingfools 2 years ago
Hey guys, if you know anything about music theory instead of just listening to it. If you disect it and look at it in the theory and "science" of it then Viva and If i Could Fly are the same exact song. Cold Play cant write, Satch spent a long ass time writing that song and perfecting it...the Coldplay stole it. They are the douche bags lol.
sikkinixx3 2 years ago
Oh really dickhead? How do you explain Satriani stole the melody from the other band then!?
By a random coincidence, Coldplay IMPROVED cords that are similar to these ones, but that doesn't mean anything. How could they know Joe Fuckmynanny existed? He's a nobody, a loser, and the chords sound A LOT better with Coldplay
mrmaster52 2 years ago
Ummm let me ask you something...are you a musician?
sikkinixx3 2 years ago
if satriani is a nobody or a loser then you are cockhead asshole
fabiorod91 2 years ago
the song of satch is very simply some else can create it, i think the law is wrong, the melodies no can be propierty of individuals.
ricforfreedom 2 years ago
fuck joe snatchriani
mcainforpres 2 years ago
No, fuck Coldplay. They are thieves, plain and simple.
atty1chgo 2 years ago
yeah enanitos verdes are coming to a little show in cordoba veracruz (mexico) where i live :D they own and satrianni clearly copy enanitos verdes but coldplay didn't
pescadomaligno 2 years ago
well the thing is. Coldplay is still living a good life, like it or not. and their album still was a hit. sue or no sue, they are still having a good life.
lalaba12 2 years ago 2
They sure are having a good life & Racking in the cash with such a monster hit. But sooner or later they will have to give some of it to settle the lawsuit(s). As for their album it took the talent of Brian Eno (U2's producer) & copying & using
U2's Edge style guitar riffs & sound & ripping other artists in order for them to come up with a Hit album. If you've heard their previous album X&Y you'll know how low they hit rock bottom of their musical talent.Not a single hit from it.
wydawake 2 years ago
Are you fucking stupid. The 2nd song is a totally different voicing. Same fucking key and possibly chord progression but different voicing in the lead which is what Satch is sueing coldplay for you stupid dumb fucks.
Gorack1313 2 years ago
ok...but....enanitos' all have hair!!!
barabeskisskiss 2 years ago 7
Lol what a douche. Satriani did not have to sue them. Even if they possibly did take the melody, so what. I understand it may have been his work (even though it wasn't really his either), but I don't know. To me that's just a bitch move.
willraz 2 years ago
Lol who is coldplay? get them out of here
vVNightwolfVv 2 years ago 2
Coldplay settled out of court. So much for them being innocent.
flyitfast 2 years ago
Herd of inept musical
Each version uses his characteristic style, of course of every artist, really, you fans of Coldplay, No Does not have to protest, clearly we realize that Coldplay Joe Satriani plagiarism, and Satriani copying to Enanitos Verdes Satriani, like Enanitos Copy to another artist, you could say that this song is the story of musical plagiarism :P
arban68 2 years ago
Coldplay is nothing more than a bunch of U2 wannabes!!!!! Let's see them keep their popularity for 3 Decades as Satriani has!!!! Coldplay will fade away just as all of these other new cookie cutter style bands will!!! Satch Forever!!!
mrfrosty1988 2 years ago 3
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Satriani's Version = Good Elevator Music
Limon Version = Bad Elevator Music
Coldplay Version = Good Music
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hiladelphia 2 years ago
Try replying to more recent comments, I had no idea what the fuck you were talking about. I still think my comment was funny. It was just a joke, I am a Satriani Fan.
lzemlick 2 years ago
lol but coldplay sucks cock
hiladelphia 2 years ago
haha true that, thats why it was such a big deal, verdes and satriani were both good guitarists and, in reality we aren't even talking about a necessarily great song of either of theirs, so who gives a shit about those, were talking a shitty band that steals a song and makes top charts with it.
cavajason 2 years ago
yeah fuck coldplay good that satch sued em talentless thieves
hiladelphia 2 years ago
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woah i didn't even know their was a third group involved in this Satriani, Coldplay, and Enanitos Verdes!!! i don't give a crap if coldplay copied any of those musicians they made it sound the best!!!
Darthlisp 2 years ago
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They all sound a little different to me.. but one thing is clear Enanitos came out first and their version is 100 times better... Colplay can play with their little pipis and Joey Buttafuktard can keep copying everyone elses shit
ryukenhondaguile 2 years ago
"get a life satch?" say that to his face. anyway, if you've got any ear for the melody, you'll know that the difference is in the ending progression. if its close to possible, satch improv'd off the song. period. Its truly unfortunate that joe was unable to take this to court, and had to make an agreement with them, almost outside the legal system. thank god for joe's attorneys and fans who annoyed the crap out of coldplay.
ShadowLancer128 2 years ago
You know what is a crazy lawsuit? Is Eddy Van Halen Suing Nike.
Masterexplodr95 2 years ago
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Klippy22 2 years ago
jajajaj la de Enanitos Verdes nada que ver, jajaj si como no, Joe satriani copiando a los pajeritos verdes, que sigue...Metallica copiandole a flans, por favor!!!, esto es absurdo
gceratic 2 years ago
Is Coldplay even trying to deny this is a direct copy?........if they are they need only look at the timing, and chord progressions to know they will lose this fight in court. Joe wrote this song over 10 years ago. Case closed.
musicheadt 2 years ago
Well if having simmilar chord progression means it's copied. This only proves that Satriani copied Enanitos Verdes, right? Case closed? Theives are the ones who deserve to be stolen from.
8RUC3x733 2 years ago
over 5 years is more correct sience the song was released in 2004. but still.. saying "get a life" to Satriani is retard..
well i don't care if ColdGay copied Satriani or didn't.. i respect Satriani coz he is a great musician, and they are not
tsabszy 2 years ago
JOE SATRIANi CRATE THIS MUSIC 5~10 years ago, coldplay copy the song
LuizxDlol 2 years ago
coldplay is the worst thing ever
casetanner 2 years ago 12
@casetanner No you are the worst thing ever.
Prondox 1 year ago
This video showed clearly that Satriani didn't copy Enanitos Verdes: The songs are different!! There is an other video that showed how Coldpplay copied him
Gamereo 2 years ago
and who the fuk r enanito verdes?
they look like bloody cavewomen!!
gerrardmankind8 2 years ago
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joe satriani is a dick hate him fukin baldy
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gerrardmankind8 2 years ago
enanitos verdes: 2002
Joe satriani: 2004
Coldplay: 2007
YA QUEDO CLARO?¡?¡
tetragramatonadr 2 years ago 4
fuck u, Joe rocks the tits off of Enanitos Verdes
swipem4 2 years ago 4
yeah but Enanitos Verdes stole their song from Coldplay.
ugh go figure.
alvisc2002 2 years ago
wait, wut!?
911Goofy 2 years ago
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satriani is a pussy for sueing them for this
whiteliongate 2 years ago
dude thats his music that is what he wakes up for and does all day same with me i play 8 hours a day and i too would be pissed off if someone stole my music
punkout7 2 years ago 2
well coldplay has a bad record when it comes to copying others songs.
I have first hand experiance, my art teacher went to collage with them and they started as a COVER BAND.
themthrashinkids 2 years ago
We realize how similar much of it is with both rhythm, melody, and coldplays vocals to Satrianis guitar riffs. However when you go and compare it to Verdes, though the chord progression is not similar, the riff is in many way almost exact. This supports that coincidence is very possible in the lawsuit. The chords are very basic and being that there are multiple songs that incorporate a lead melody so similar to satrianis riffs and coldplays vocals, coincidence may be a valid answer.
DCAnt1379 2 years ago
Hmm, re Satriani and Verdes, there's a similarity rhythmically but melody and chord wise there's virtually no similarity at all. Satriani and Coldplay however have almost chord for chord and note for note exact matches. Probably still a coincidence though
GaryMarkJH 2 years ago
ColdPlay SUCKS!!! And they can't help themselves to copy other musicians music because they straight suck on my ****!!!
lunarsedge 2 years ago
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Satriani sucks, Vai owns him.
AdeBfmv 2 years ago
Vai doesn't suck, but without Satriani there wouldn't be a Steve Vai.
Malissa122 2 years ago 2
That's just ignorant. So Joe taught Steve a few licks.. Vai was playing with Zappa in 1980 when he was 20... Nobody even heard of Satriani (except his students) until Vai used his fame to promote him.
They both still bore the shit out of me.
audible67 2 years ago 2
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Ecuibleahcim 2 years ago
who is more succesful, u or coldplay?
swipem4 2 years ago
The video is about Satriani or Coldplay you idiot, not about me. I yes, I can write my own songs, unlike Coldplay who likes to steal others ideas.
lunarsedge 2 years ago
man, that sucks XD, everyone says that one song copied the other one, I think finally every song is simillar... there are so much examples, not only coldplay and santriani...
There are other songs which are very similar, but sometimes it can be just a random
Like both songs
And love Coldplay, still be my favourite group
artOfSamira 2 years ago
And according to Creaky Boards, all of these songs are inspired by "The Legend of Zelda." XD
LittleSocrates 2 years ago
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Any sensible musician will say that it is exaggerated. The resemblance is surprising but the coincidence is far from being improbable. I am guitarist and several years ago I composed a theme of 9 notes completely similar to a phrasing from the piano concerto #3 of Rachmaninov. I had still never listened to this artist before! By chance, I 'm not so famous than Coldplay, I believe that one would judge me systematically!
esthetichaos 2 years ago
Nope, bassline is completely different in Enanitos Verdes, and it stretches on for four more bars. Coldplay stole it from Satriani.
Sure all that chord progression stuff you mentioned in the description applies to Enanitos Verdes, but Viva la Vida is blasphemously ripped from Satriani's If I Could Fly.
derekrau 2 years ago 2
I love the name of this account.
timbulb 2 years ago
15 more.......ziltch, dont know who he is
forshigity5000 2 years ago
Viva la Vida sounds more like 'If I Could Fly' than the Francis Lemon song.
FierceDeityXeroX 2 years ago
Who is Joe Satriani? never heard of him
forshigity5000 2 years ago
That tells us more about you then about Joe himself.
If your comment was serious, then I hope you're 13 or younger.
Schepsel 2 years ago
please tell me what it says about me that i never heard of him.
forshigity5000 2 years ago
He's only one of the greatest guitarists of the 20th and 21th century.
That's like saying 'who's britney spears? who's michael jackson?'
I'm not fond of both of their music, but if you don't know who those are - WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN.
Schepsel 2 years ago