Hi all. I've only been playing around on drums for a couple weeks, but have in the last hour been attempting this double kick, and it's starting to make sense (of course i still need a ton of practise). to start with, plant your foot on flat ground and lift your foot. now place the ball only of your heel down with toes up, then as your heel hits the ground, roll down the rest of your foot (and you'll work out the dynamics of what's going on) heel is one kick, toe is the second kick
@jwgx16 yes it does, but if you have larger feet it just may take some adjustments to get the motion. The best pedals are longboards (Axis,Trick etc.) only downfall is the price. Personally use the Axis Laser pedals for quite awhile now and they were very similar to my X's just smoother and more fluidity. Have a good one man \m/
@MeatWhistle44 Not really, but it can help depending on where you place your foot/feet. Yes, in the beginning "overdo" it to ensure each hit is solid and equal. Practice very slowly and with a metronome. If you want in-depth drum lessons I can give a more detailed explanation, just message me. Hope that helps! Have a good one \m/
this does not mean literally heel toe! its a middle foot drop and one the rebound you catch it with your toe with makes a double stroke per stroke if im making sense... thumbs up and also watch other heel toe technique videos so you will learn the way i am explaining! please thumbs up and like my band on facebook at ostiumofficial
So I saw you used to play with eliminators. Did you use this same technique with those pedals? The footboard seems way to short for me. Nice video though man!
@teague89 Right on man glad it helped! Will have vid up soon with newest project Incongruous, the most demanding and technical group I've played with so far and this helps for certain time changes etc. Releasing new cd and videos soon with InCo, take care and have a good one bro!
your way of doing heel toe is so easy....im trying to do heel toe on pearl eliminator pedals....i dont want axis long boards....i know i dont need those to play fast
@TheUnconsecrated i had eliminators too and LOVED them but when they finally gave out I got offered a good deal on the long boards so I got them because of that & the ekits for PERFECT triggering. What you play is what you hear, including every mistake clear as day lol Just start off slow and do it for as long as you can at least 1hr to 2hrs feet (hands too if u want) a day with metronome at 100bpm and then increase in increments of 10-15 or w/e is comfortable to u, take care man, Peace!
Hey mianthropic51. I'm getting some of those new Mapex Falcons and I was wondering if those footboard's are long enough for me to start learning how to play heel toe?
@xxxPinkyGSterxxx totally possible man and i suggest starting with a metronome and s l o w. Just like double strokes with hands just work on it for at least 2 hours a day. I do this everyday both heel toe and heel up, if I don't it gets sloppy real quick!
what is your suggestion to someone who doesnt have a longboard pedal? I play an iron cobra rolling glide. I took the toe stops off and I have to slam down with my heel way too hard.
@Zildjian528 this method only works for longboards, the true heel toe method doesnt require you to actually strike with the heel.
in a nutshell its like playing heel up for the first stroke, then as you bring your foot up for another "heel up stroke" you push forward to hit, using more of the muscles in your ankle. i'll reply in a minute with a vid on it
Ok it's totally possible, and I have done it on those exact pedals many times. The trick is to keep your feet solidly in place so your toes don't hit the chain. In plain english it's just doubles but with you're feet! R-R-L-L:) and YES you do strike with the heel it's the first count on the right foot followed by upper part of the right foot for the second stroke.
@parkoanime Damn, feel you there! Ok it's possible just takes getting used to. You have to start off very slowly on each foot and sort of curl the front of your foot down on each pedal totry and keep your foot in place as well as to help not hitting the chain. Hope that helps, take care bro
@parkoanime Im using an iron cobra jr, and ALOT of people say that pedal sucks for heel toe. But i pulled the foot board back, drilled 2 new holes and i have a 10 1/2 inch footboard now. So always check to see if you can modify it cause sometimes, the pedal just isnt made for your foot to do that.
ha ha ha ha Dave lombardo is fucking brutal. Lars Ulrich can only dream of being half as good as Dave. The only thing Lars is good at is sucking dick and inflating his own ego. At least Dave can remember his own songs, unlike Fagtallica.
You probably don't even play drums if you think that Lars sucks and that metallica can't remember thier own songs. Yeah, Dave is better, but saying that Lars sucks is really immature. At least they are both confident about their own playing. You'd probably shit your pants trying to play double bass drums.
Any chance that you're talking out of your arse because you can't hear the double bass, and you're acting all cool and going along the flow of Slayer fanboys?
Please listen to Metallica's drum tracks before commenting.
Their recording quality was shit, and the bass drum was basically inaudible.
Also, if you can play Dyers Eve or Battery on drums 100% perfect, then I'll give in.
Lol visara...i can do 16th note doubles at 200bpm no problem. whats so crazy about that? theres a lot of people who can do that, AND faster. just because i said i can do doubles with one foot at 200bpm doesnt mean i can do doubles at 400 with both lololol. assuming my left foot is just as fast as my right, my doubles would amount to 16th notes at 200bpm just with the extra double to give it straight 16th notes (4 instead of 2). before you say i cant do something, maybe think a little.
Yo man know EXACTLY what you mean. Axis long boards give extra length to the pedal to account for larger feet. OR... just practice like crazy every single day. It's more than possible to do this with any pedals just a bit of a pain if you have bigger feet.
i have the pearl demon pedals, and ive adjusted them to longboards (they have that ability) but i still cant do it, i have fuckin size 12 feet but like idk how to get it clean
I prefer the slide technique. Its just as fast (I can do doubles at 200bpm with one foot). The nice thing about the slide technique is you can do it on ANY pedal without even hesitating. Start slow, work your way up in speed and endurance. But like I said, its nice to jump on anyones kit and be able to do the slide...any pedal any time.
omg dude ur feet seem to like move so fast that yea its blurry and stuff on the video nicee!! i'm still workin on the double bass man i think its my pedal and usin a electronic trigerr pad thats rubber to so yea think thats it too
1:08 woooahhh hey man i have like the taye double bass pedal, and idk if its me, probably is but i cant play fast double and yea it seems like my left pedal just doesnt do right can you help
I just started doing this on my iron cobras. It's been a few weeks and I'm getting pretty fast and even.....but! I had to stop watching this man because what he is doing is PRO +. I needed to just go slow and make the beats even. If you start off slow...you will end up going faster whether you like it or not. THEN!!! Maybe!!!!! When can hope to piss with this guy! I don't know him, but yeah....HE"S A BADASS.
Honestly man do as I said below start off SLOW. It may sound weird but when you begin to get used to the technique the flow will come easier and the motion will be fluid. 150 bpm for 4 mins throughout the day increase speed each week = very fast. Hope that helps.
hm... good video and good drumming... but only one thing... the axis is touching the head from the bass drum thats not good... i don´t meant the beater...
@AIC2374 Start off at a very slow tempo. The easiest explanation I can think of, is that this is just like doubles with your hands, RR, LL, RR, LL ... will sound choppy at first but with time and practice to a metronome,you will be there in no time!
Sick....I gotta learn this. Canine says the motion is the main thing. I hope thats true because it sounds impossible, it's looks easy....but it sounds like unreal!
Thats not how to do heel toe.. the first hit isnt from your heel, you don't need giant ass footboards to do it correct. For a proper demonstration, check out Jared Falks tutorial
I play it with my springs about medium tension. i don't like them to loose cuz you don't get enough rebound but if they're too tight then it can get hard to do it cuz it's hard to press down. so i'd say about medium tension.
I dont know much about double bass pedals, but I want one long enough to do heel toe (my current ones aren't) and the fastest type (i.e. double chain, no chain) can anyone help with this. Ones that also work both when you go down and up like for osuper speed. IF anyone can recommend me a great pair i'd be really grateful. tx
Heel toe is really cool and all, but I still prefer straight heel up or the flatfoot. like 95% of drummers don't do heel toe technique at all, Just a thought.
That's because they can't. If you learn to master it, you can play 50% faster than if you were playing with singles. Mind you 95% of all drummers don't play above 250BPM. Just a thought.
you know what sucks about this. Is that this technique really only works on axis pedals. I know it works on other pedals because Ive seen it before. But I have Eliminators which I love and I cant do that at all. =[
try moving slightly backward; doing so the foot becoms less flexible, thus transmitting the motion to the toe. second stroke lifting the ankle. i hope it'll helps you, it worked for me.
Yup, I was also saying that. You can only do it on longboards, unless you have small feet. There's this kid here in youtube, he did a heel toe on iron cobras, pretty good, but his advantage is that he has small feet so it makes the cobras bigger and longer for him.
Ok....You guys remember where this came from...trips on each foot- t-h-t or h-t-h Bet t-h-t works better. I WILL do it. The- "alternating double-bass ped-trip" I can see it now...right up there w/ the guy who can levitate himself OFF THE GROUND
(but only when there's no one else in the room!!) and if YOU can't do it---then you just have'nt reached that level of 'perfection'! ha ha ha !I may be old-butI replaced Tommy Aldrige,in Black Oak Arkansas.STILL nothing I can't play.EGO*
Big feet, or big kikkin...make your mind up. Serious players-lose the toes.Mine were ruined anyway,from walkin barefoot 'round the kit-stands! %%%%%%% O K -the truth IS, lad--it's all just DUBBED in later, w/ a 15- year old Dr.Rhythm. Yup. Video&live shows are all just 'Foot-Sync' sorry kiddo. And you kids out there-don't mess w/ this-stick to that phat rap...lay-back-Cap!
Or else you might get ankle-tunnel!!Toe-Heel ain't real.........(easy) O SH*T! I bet trips will work!t-h-t(1 foot)RM
It looks like the direct drive mech is hitting the drumhead *just* before the beater does? I took the clamp off mine which makes positioning easier (as Kollias does) but it think the 'excess beater shaft' that sticks out the bottom might be catching and could ruin the head etc. Hard to tell but worth taping up i guess to save the cost of heads.
Hey great video man, I just have one question tho if u dont mind. Can you do this technique playing heel, heel, toe, toe or do u recommend doing a double stroke on each foot?
hey would using long boards help? cause the pedals that i have are quite short. they are pdps, but they are only starter pedals. what pedals would u recomend for this type of style?i know that the 9000s are sick and all, but is there something a little cheaper in price?
Yes! A lot! the extra 2in of pedal board makes a world of difference. Unfortunately Axis is the cheapest(in price) best longboard. I'm using "cheap" loosely lol. Believe it or not others in the same market are 700+ Hit me up for any questions.
I actually have an Alesis DM4. It does a damn good job if you ask me. The sound I use are either "fusion" for a more realistic sound and "blaster" lol for the all out metal sound. I'll be posting a new vid soon so stay tuned, Thanks!
Axis longboard. i just got some too. really really nice pedals. i use this technique too, but my feet were too long for my other pedals so i could only do this when i used my friends pedals. now i always use it.
Thank you everyone for the awesome comments! Im gonna have new vids up as well as a new cd released with my band "Evisceration" it's technical death metal that will hopefully blow your mind!
It looks like you're hitting your drum head with the thing that on most pedal would be the chain or felt. But on the Axis, it's a metal rod or something
i got a question man. iv been workin on this heel toe stuff for lika week, but there too like "doublyy"......like the notes are like duh duh......duh duh.......not how they should be like duhduhduhduh...how do you clear it up to make it more even???
Yes that is the beginning stage of heel-toe. This is normal! What you do now is bit by bit increase your tempo. At around 165 is where it will start to get consistent. Practice heel toe for 3 mins solid per tempo. Start where comfortable and then progress. Do this for a total of 30 mins or more a day. Relax and keep the strokes as clean as possible. Good luck guys!
I'd say 2 months straight. These videos are pretty old, and now I am around 240-260+ It really is just practice that makes all the difference. Don't be discouraged when it sounds crappy for the first couple weeks or month, because it will get better!
ok so what do u suggest, doing each foot "heel right, toe right, heel left, toe left" or switching, "Heel right, heel left, toe right, toe left"? i mess around with dream theater stuff so i really want to learn this.
lol generally its not. You must mic it and or trigger it. Then again the only thing that will cut through a half stack is the cymbals if the drums aren' mic'd/ triggered. Any more questions just ask bro. Thanks for watchin
I'm having trouble doing the heel toe method with the new pddp402 double bass pedal I just got. That pedal seems to require lots of power to push it down and just can't seem to do it with my heel. Was able to easily with my old pedal.
Gibraltar pedals are good
AoePwners 5 months ago
Hi all. I've only been playing around on drums for a couple weeks, but have in the last hour been attempting this double kick, and it's starting to make sense (of course i still need a ton of practise). to start with, plant your foot on flat ground and lift your foot. now place the ball only of your heel down with toes up, then as your heel hits the ground, roll down the rest of your foot (and you'll work out the dynamics of what's going on) heel is one kick, toe is the second kick
steak85 6 months ago
does this work with any double bass pedal? and what is the best pedal for this? thanks
jwgx16 7 months ago
@jwgx16 yes it does, but if you have larger feet it just may take some adjustments to get the motion. The best pedals are longboards (Axis,Trick etc.) only downfall is the price. Personally use the Axis Laser pedals for quite awhile now and they were very similar to my X's just smoother and more fluidity. Have a good one man \m/
misanthropic51 7 months ago
Does the length of the footboard matter on the heal toe technique?
cause my footboard just gets room with my entire foot, and i tend to press a
bit harder with my heal to get the same consistant sound.
MeatWhistle44 9 months ago
@MeatWhistle44 Not really, but it can help depending on where you place your foot/feet. Yes, in the beginning "overdo" it to ensure each hit is solid and equal. Practice very slowly and with a metronome. If you want in-depth drum lessons I can give a more detailed explanation, just message me. Hope that helps! Have a good one \m/
misanthropic51 9 months ago
Damn my Big feet...
TheCJ279 9 months ago
@TheCJ279 Just go slowly bro, in time it will be no problem.
misanthropic51 9 months ago
@misanthropic51 Lol yeah i'm having problems with this... size 15 feet
joshwhiteyz 1 week ago
FOR ALL PEOPLE WITH BIG FEET LEARNING HEEL TOE!!!
this does not mean literally heel toe! its a middle foot drop and one the rebound you catch it with your toe with makes a double stroke per stroke if im making sense... thumbs up and also watch other heel toe technique videos so you will learn the way i am explaining! please thumbs up and like my band on facebook at ostiumofficial
thanks... please thumbs up so others can read
VaLiDxMLG 1 year ago 2
my foot size is 13 and i cant !!! :(
rudiiwii1 1 year ago
holy shitt. i just ordered a sound percussion double pedal. i got the heel toe down for my right foot, gotta work on my left now.
badfish42092 1 year ago
@badfish42092 sick man!
misanthropic51 1 year ago
So I saw you used to play with eliminators. Did you use this same technique with those pedals? The footboard seems way to short for me. Nice video though man!
dosplunder 1 year ago
@dosplunder yes, it just takes some time to get used to but practicing 2hrs a day for month or so should make it more comfortable. Peace
misanthropic51 1 year ago
umm my foot size is 14.
and im still growing.
fuck
babadef 1 year ago
i love your bass drums sounds, what triggers and module you usin? and im jealous you have axis
doublebassrox 1 year ago
i've always done it with the toe and it wasnt like this though nice footwork btw man im def gonna use this method
teague89 1 year ago
@teague89 Right on man glad it helped! Will have vid up soon with newest project Incongruous, the most demanding and technical group I've played with so far and this helps for certain time changes etc. Releasing new cd and videos soon with InCo, take care and have a good one bro!
misanthropic51 1 year ago
wow i've always done this with the toe but this is better and faster than my approach nice footwork man
teague89 1 year ago
wow
teague89 1 year ago
your way of doing heel toe is so easy....im trying to do heel toe on pearl eliminator pedals....i dont want axis long boards....i know i dont need those to play fast
TheUnconsecrated 1 year ago
@TheUnconsecrated i had eliminators too and LOVED them but when they finally gave out I got offered a good deal on the long boards so I got them because of that & the ekits for PERFECT triggering. What you play is what you hear, including every mistake clear as day lol Just start off slow and do it for as long as you can at least 1hr to 2hrs feet (hands too if u want) a day with metronome at 100bpm and then increase in increments of 10-15 or w/e is comfortable to u, take care man, Peace!
misanthropic51 1 year ago
Hey mianthropic51. I'm getting some of those new Mapex Falcons and I was wondering if those footboard's are long enough for me to start learning how to play heel toe?
xxxPinkyGSterxxx 1 year ago
@xxxPinkyGSterxxx totally possible man and i suggest starting with a metronome and s l o w. Just like double strokes with hands just work on it for at least 2 hours a day. I do this everyday both heel toe and heel up, if I don't it gets sloppy real quick!
misanthropic51 1 year ago
@misanthropic51 Thanks for suggestion dude =] I'll be sure to work on it and see what becomes of it.
xxxPinkyGSterxxx 1 year ago
@xxxPinkyGSterxxx Most def. bro, good luck with you're playing! Take care, Peace
misanthropic51 1 year ago
long boards are cheating how the hell can i do this on regular pedals
wuggshine 1 year ago
So are you doing RRLLRRLL on the drum or is it still RLRLRLRLRL?
KeysUpOnTheTable 1 year ago
@KeysUpOnTheTable yes your right RRLLRRLL take care
misanthropic51 1 year ago
Great vid. Can you go any faster than that with heel toe? Just a question.
richmondyayarea 1 year ago
@richmondyayarea ya soundclick monsieur mango. or incongruous or evisceration check the description for links of my work. It's decently fast.
misanthropic51 1 year ago
freakin awesome! THANKS!
gasher70 1 year ago
what is your suggestion to someone who doesnt have a longboard pedal? I play an iron cobra rolling glide. I took the toe stops off and I have to slam down with my heel way too hard.
Zildjian528 2 years ago
@Zildjian528 this method only works for longboards, the true heel toe method doesnt require you to actually strike with the heel.
in a nutshell its like playing heel up for the first stroke, then as you bring your foot up for another "heel up stroke" you push forward to hit, using more of the muscles in your ankle. i'll reply in a minute with a vid on it
DrummerInTheHead 2 years ago
well i use this method with iron cobras so... your argument is invalid
fruitbooting132 1 year ago
i have the iron cobra power glides and i can do it it just takes a ton of practice
jujawk829 1 year ago
@Zildjian528
theres a decent vid alot more in detail
watch?v=bMGCT-J-_N0
DrummerInTheHead 2 years ago
Ok it's totally possible, and I have done it on those exact pedals many times. The trick is to keep your feet solidly in place so your toes don't hit the chain. In plain english it's just doubles but with you're feet! R-R-L-L:) and YES you do strike with the heel it's the first count on the right foot followed by upper part of the right foot for the second stroke.
misanthropic51 2 years ago
ivve got size 10.5 feet, how can i do this on a regular pedal?
Ive tried, but all that happens is the chain ends up digging between my toes because my foot is move so far up the pedal
parkoanime 2 years ago
@parkoanime Damn, feel you there! Ok it's possible just takes getting used to. You have to start off very slowly on each foot and sort of curl the front of your foot down on each pedal totry and keep your foot in place as well as to help not hitting the chain. Hope that helps, take care bro
misanthropic51 2 years ago
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iedanus 2 years ago
@parkoanime Im using an iron cobra jr, and ALOT of people say that pedal sucks for heel toe. But i pulled the foot board back, drilled 2 new holes and i have a 10 1/2 inch footboard now. So always check to see if you can modify it cause sometimes, the pedal just isnt made for your foot to do that.
bradzdestroyer 1 year ago
are you doing doubles with each foot once you speed it up like RHRT-LHLT or are you doing RHLH-RTLT?
MoltovSamson 2 years ago
@MoltovSamson Exactly, I am doing doubles with each foot just as you would do with the hands. Pretty simple, just exhausting at first!
misanthropic51 2 years ago
@misanthropic51 It is exhausting! I just started double bass and it burns xD
WiredDrummer 2 years ago
@visara1313
i bet slayer's drummer can do that. insanely fast double bassing is the only thing he can do good anyways
Kratos9945 2 years ago
Listen To Derek Roddy's Double bass, That is SOME FAST SHIT
TheMetalDoctor1 2 years ago
ha ha ha ha Dave lombardo is fucking brutal. Lars Ulrich can only dream of being half as good as Dave. The only thing Lars is good at is sucking dick and inflating his own ego. At least Dave can remember his own songs, unlike Fagtallica.
*points and laughs at you*
xthatfatguyx 2 years ago
@xthatfatguyx can you even make a good joke? Fagtallica seriously? i know lars was a dick over the whole napster deal, but he is a good drummer
Kratos9945 2 years ago
@Kratos9945
no. he isnt.
xthatfatguyx 2 years ago
@xthatfatguyx *laughs at childish reply*
Kratos9945 2 years ago
@xthatfatguyx
You probably don't even play drums if you think that Lars sucks and that metallica can't remember thier own songs. Yeah, Dave is better, but saying that Lars sucks is really immature. At least they are both confident about their own playing. You'd probably shit your pants trying to play double bass drums.
servantlol 2 years ago
@xthatfatguyx
Any chance that you're talking out of your arse because you can't hear the double bass, and you're acting all cool and going along the flow of Slayer fanboys?
Please listen to Metallica's drum tracks before commenting.
Their recording quality was shit, and the bass drum was basically inaudible.
Also, if you can play Dyers Eve or Battery on drums 100% perfect, then I'll give in.
Until then, fuck up.
dbzsony 1 year ago
nice peddles :D
Ibanez3213 2 years ago
Awsome dude that really helped
drumfan010 2 years ago
Lol visara...i can do 16th note doubles at 200bpm no problem. whats so crazy about that? theres a lot of people who can do that, AND faster. just because i said i can do doubles with one foot at 200bpm doesnt mean i can do doubles at 400 with both lololol. assuming my left foot is just as fast as my right, my doubles would amount to 16th notes at 200bpm just with the extra double to give it straight 16th notes (4 instead of 2). before you say i cant do something, maybe think a little.
tshupe900 2 years ago
hi there! nice video!
i have a question: what pedals do you use?
my drummer uses the Iron Cobra.
he has problems with practicing heel-toe because the pedals are too small & his feet too big.
do you guys know any pedals that are "bigger"?
VermilionZero 2 years ago
Yo man know EXACTLY what you mean. Axis long boards give extra length to the pedal to account for larger feet. OR... just practice like crazy every single day. It's more than possible to do this with any pedals just a bit of a pain if you have bigger feet.
misanthropic51 2 years ago
i have the pearl demon pedals, and ive adjusted them to longboards (they have that ability) but i still cant do it, i have fuckin size 12 feet but like idk how to get it clean
a6lullaby6to6forget 2 years ago
Listen to young blood and just go s l o w! Practice makes perfect bro and in no time you will have it down.
misanthropic51 2 years ago
I prefer the slide technique. Its just as fast (I can do doubles at 200bpm with one foot). The nice thing about the slide technique is you can do it on ANY pedal without even hesitating. Start slow, work your way up in speed and endurance. But like I said, its nice to jump on anyones kit and be able to do the slide...any pedal any time.
cantthinkanameup 2 years ago
omg dude ur feet seem to like move so fast that yea its blurry and stuff on the video nicee!! i'm still workin on the double bass man i think its my pedal and usin a electronic trigerr pad thats rubber to so yea think thats it too
jennafan14 2 years ago
1:08 woooahhh hey man i have like the taye double bass pedal, and idk if its me, probably is but i cant play fast double and yea it seems like my left pedal just doesnt do right can you help
jennafan14 2 years ago
I just started doing this on my iron cobras. It's been a few weeks and I'm getting pretty fast and even.....but! I had to stop watching this man because what he is doing is PRO +. I needed to just go slow and make the beats even. If you start off slow...you will end up going faster whether you like it or not. THEN!!! Maybe!!!!! When can hope to piss with this guy! I don't know him, but yeah....HE"S A BADASS.
Youngblood1223 2 years ago
Thanks for the kind remarks man! Have a good one
misanthropic51 2 years ago
Honestly man do as I said below start off SLOW. It may sound weird but when you begin to get used to the technique the flow will come easier and the motion will be fluid. 150 bpm for 4 mins throughout the day increase speed each week = very fast. Hope that helps.
misanthropic51 2 years ago
lower the footboard
it worked with mine
Drum12301 2 years ago
Good Greef! I guess you can move on to practicing rudiments with your ear lobes! BECAUSE YOU GOT THIS COVERED! LOL (What kind of pedals are those?)
Youngblood1223 2 years ago
Axis Longboards
109deadman 2 years ago
hm... good video and good drumming... but only one thing... the axis is touching the head from the bass drum thats not good... i don´t meant the beater...
PerversionOfHate 2 years ago
Not touching, just close. If it were touching it would have melted within 30 minutes. Thanks for watching
misanthropic51 2 years ago
You really aren't doing a heel stroke, it's more like ball-toe.
x8dddx 2 years ago
It appears this way on camera but it's really just heel-toe.
misanthropic51 2 years ago
No, what I'm saying is you are exaggerating the stroke when breaking it down slowly.
x8dddx 2 years ago
lucky you got a axis pedal
Multimonay 2 years ago
its not that hard to learn, just start slowly and work on it. the hardest thing is to play this technique clean in high speed.
TheSacrileger 2 years ago 8
@TheSacrileger what do you suggest when you have short boards?
AIC2374 1 year ago
@AIC2374 Start off at a very slow tempo. The easiest explanation I can think of, is that this is just like doubles with your hands, RR, LL, RR, LL ... will sound choppy at first but with time and practice to a metronome,you will be there in no time!
misanthropic51 11 months ago
Sick....I gotta learn this. Canine says the motion is the main thing. I hope thats true because it sounds impossible, it's looks easy....but it sounds like unreal!
Youngblood1223 2 years ago
nice. clean. yes.
canine168 2 years ago
THe volume is really low. Specially on a laptop.
KalierMC 2 years ago
N1 :D
Greetz from germany!
Maume89 2 years ago
how did you make your bass drum sound that good? what drumhead did you use? what did you put inside the bass drum?
scorpionknights01 2 years ago
Thats not how to do heel toe.. the first hit isnt from your heel, you don't need giant ass footboards to do it correct. For a proper demonstration, check out Jared Falks tutorial
Klawblach 2 years ago
Big ass footboards
watchyourst3p 2 years ago
Big ass footboards you got, my dude. Mine are DW5000 - and they're short. lol.
GlitchHalo 2 years ago 5
does it take lots of leg/foot strength to do this??
vivioilin 2 years ago
not really. once you get the motion down it doesn't take much.
canine168 2 years ago
Also, does it depend on the spring tension?
vivioilin 2 years ago
I play it with my springs about medium tension. i don't like them to loose cuz you don't get enough rebound but if they're too tight then it can get hard to do it cuz it's hard to press down. so i'd say about medium tension.
canine168 2 years ago
oh okay
thanks for the tips ^_^
vivioilin 2 years ago
Another thing about how tight your spring tension may be, your legs muscles will develop more quickly (higher tension) or more slowly (lower tension).
Midway would probably be a great balance between rebound and getting a good workout for the muscles you use to play.
Rophay117 2 years ago
nice...
iamjello7 2 years ago
TRIGGERSSSSSSSSS
seinty 2 years ago
em i love axis longs.. the basterds where $600
DJScallywag 2 years ago
drums sound so clear
XsitogrinderX 2 years ago
Who makes those longboards?
puppetmetal 2 years ago
axis
Deathhunter992 2 years ago
for 4 continous strokes do you go
right heel left heel right toe left toe
or
right heel right toe left heel left toe??
VPTPdanguitar 2 years ago
right heel right toe left heel left toe
jackkthemackk 2 years ago
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I dont know much about double bass pedals, but I want one long enough to do heel toe (my current ones aren't) and the fastest type (i.e. double chain, no chain) can anyone help with this. Ones that also work both when you go down and up like for osuper speed. IF anyone can recommend me a great pair i'd be really grateful. tx
BkLyNRoCkErOf07 2 years ago
Damn good work! Best teaching video ive found!
Metalmind0815 3 years ago 2
holy shit!
BLOODYCOOKIES0 3 years ago
Very nice!
renskedenz 3 years ago
Heel toe is really cool and all, but I still prefer straight heel up or the flatfoot. like 95% of drummers don't do heel toe technique at all, Just a thought.
EIMRAIZZU 3 years ago
That's because they can't. If you learn to master it, you can play 50% faster than if you were playing with singles. Mind you 95% of all drummers don't play above 250BPM. Just a thought.
misanthropic51 3 years ago
so fast.
but you can't do this for long time.
the muscle may easy be tired.
it's heel toe 's defect.
because i can do this 5 years ago,
so i know what the point.
zased28 3 years ago
you know what sucks about this. Is that this technique really only works on axis pedals. I know it works on other pedals because Ive seen it before. But I have Eliminators which I love and I cant do that at all. =[
Drummerforlife98 3 years ago
try moving slightly backward; doing so the foot becoms less flexible, thus transmitting the motion to the toe. second stroke lifting the ankle. i hope it'll helps you, it worked for me.
dagofuck 3 years ago
check out the guy on my favourites he modded his pedal to make it like a longboard.
Mahavishnu80 3 years ago
Yup, I was also saying that. You can only do it on longboards, unless you have small feet. There's this kid here in youtube, he did a heel toe on iron cobras, pretty good, but his advantage is that he has small feet so it makes the cobras bigger and longer for him.
EIMRAIZZU 3 years ago
haha that's cool as fcuk!!
L7OOONY 3 years ago
all i can say is wow with the heel-toe rolls
absolutely beautiful
Panikkz 3 years ago
i dont know y but it scares me
drummanutta 3 years ago
I MUST LEARN THIS!!!!!!! that so so cool! good job
heathrow04 3 years ago
what kind of pedals do u have
anton8901 3 years ago
those are axis. probaly the L-2
DeanMLFlame 3 years ago
Ok....You guys remember where this came from...trips on each foot- t-h-t or h-t-h Bet t-h-t works better. I WILL do it. The- "alternating double-bass ped-trip" I can see it now...right up there w/ the guy who can levitate himself OFF THE GROUND
(but only when there's no one else in the room!!) and if YOU can't do it---then you just have'nt reached that level of 'perfection'! ha ha ha !I may be old-butI replaced Tommy Aldrige,in Black Oak Arkansas.STILL nothing I can't play.EGO*
RANDYMEERS333 3 years ago
Big feet, or big kikkin...make your mind up. Serious players-lose the toes.Mine were ruined anyway,from walkin barefoot 'round the kit-stands! %%%%%%% O K -the truth IS, lad--it's all just DUBBED in later, w/ a 15- year old Dr.Rhythm. Yup. Video&live shows are all just 'Foot-Sync' sorry kiddo. And you kids out there-don't mess w/ this-stick to that phat rap...lay-back-Cap!
Or else you might get ankle-tunnel!!Toe-Heel ain't real.........(easy) O SH*T! I bet trips will work!t-h-t(1 foot)RM
RANDYMEERS333 3 years ago
@RANDYMEERS333 Were you high when you posted this..? Haha
saddlescars936 1 year ago
ummm i dont know how to connect my heel toes together
like i can do one heel toe at a good speed but i always mess up connecting to the second one
pnopoleank 3 years ago
u rock
ladiesman76226 3 years ago
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you could have put some sox on
smwhite05 3 years ago
It looks like the direct drive mech is hitting the drumhead *just* before the beater does? I took the clamp off mine which makes positioning easier (as Kollias does) but it think the 'excess beater shaft' that sticks out the bottom might be catching and could ruin the head etc. Hard to tell but worth taping up i guess to save the cost of heads.
nathanjh13 3 years ago
Yeah it's def hitting as the main pedal upright gets thrust backwards when the beater hits..?
nathanjh13 3 years ago
Although it looks like it does, it doesn't hit at all luckily!
misanthropic51 3 years ago
Its very difficult to do this with iRON CoBra pedals Right?
retractor3 3 years ago
Hey great video man, I just have one question tho if u dont mind. Can you do this technique playing heel, heel, toe, toe or do u recommend doing a double stroke on each foot?
Thx A lot.
StricklandPropane1 3 years ago
Just do it like a double stroke man! That's all heel-toe is. It's doubles with your feet.
misanthropic51 3 years ago
hey would using long boards help? cause the pedals that i have are quite short. they are pdps, but they are only starter pedals. what pedals would u recomend for this type of style?i know that the 9000s are sick and all, but is there something a little cheaper in price?
PhantomDarkTheif 3 years ago
Yes! A lot! the extra 2in of pedal board makes a world of difference. Unfortunately Axis is the cheapest(in price) best longboard. I'm using "cheap" loosely lol. Believe it or not others in the same market are 700+ Hit me up for any questions.
misanthropic51 3 years ago
Yo, what drum module do you use? And what is the name of the bass drum sample sound?
HelvetiaDamnation666 3 years ago
I actually have an Alesis DM4. It does a damn good job if you ask me. The sound I use are either "fusion" for a more realistic sound and "blaster" lol for the all out metal sound. I'll be posting a new vid soon so stay tuned, Thanks!
misanthropic51 3 years ago
nice im getting an iron cobra. its gonna cost me $375. once i get that my drum set will be worth $2000
drummerboyjoe17 3 years ago
hehe.,yeaa.,., ANDD ??
sorryallusernamesare 3 years ago
wauuu
padybeat 3 years ago
what kind of doublebass pedal is that?
drummerboyjoe17 3 years ago
Axis longboard. i just got some too. really really nice pedals. i use this technique too, but my feet were too long for my other pedals so i could only do this when i used my friends pedals. now i always use it.
Gin543 3 years ago
nicely demonstrated. thanks!
x014821037 3 years ago
Thank you everyone for the awesome comments! Im gonna have new vids up as well as a new cd released with my band "Evisceration" it's technical death metal that will hopefully blow your mind!
misanthropic51 3 years ago
Awesome band i've heard it in the past.
great technique. could you show us how to set up the spring tension, and beater distance from the beater to the bass drum head.
Dmon6od66 3 years ago
oh....my...
deinemutterisstkekse 3 years ago
You know this is the first video I've seen so far that actually does a good job of explaining what it really is...thank you.
xoutofheartx 3 years ago
Thanks a lot I appreciate it!
misanthropic51 3 years ago
pretty fast good job
skittlebro107 3 years ago
Jealousy is a terrible thing, JOCieDC
great playing btw.
SomecallmeJack 3 years ago
It looks like you're hitting your drum head with the thing that on most pedal would be the chain or felt. But on the Axis, it's a metal rod or something
MapexRG 3 years ago
dude.... or someone for that matter..... THEACH ME... lol
justin0185 3 years ago
U dont need to use longboards... it's just more comfortable to play with them...
FireScreamer 3 years ago
o.O nice. i think i need to get axis pedals. i keep kicking the chain with my toes!
whodare 3 years ago
so you have to use longboards to use this technique?
JFMatador 3 years ago
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Hey do u masterbate with those like all the time.
JOCieDC 3 years ago
he's using axis xl-2 longboard pedals
axel5775 3 years ago
what kinda of bass drum pedals is he using
pimpinaustin 3 years ago
its an axis
goodman1507 3 years ago
i got a question man. iv been workin on this heel toe stuff for lika week, but there too like "doublyy"......like the notes are like duh duh......duh duh.......not how they should be like duhduhduhduh...how do you clear it up to make it more even???
brennan23pudding 3 years ago
yea i agree...how do u do that...i have been working on this too....
do use strength when playing it when u move it u toe up and down?how much stength must one use? or do u relax?
MaggotKumar 3 years ago
Yes that is the beginning stage of heel-toe. This is normal! What you do now is bit by bit increase your tempo. At around 165 is where it will start to get consistent. Practice heel toe for 3 mins solid per tempo. Start where comfortable and then progress. Do this for a total of 30 mins or more a day. Relax and keep the strokes as clean as possible. Good luck guys!
misanthropic51 3 years ago
misanthropic51, how long did it take to get to your level of heel toe. I'm still having a tough time.
auburnstone1 3 years ago
I'd say 2 months straight. These videos are pretty old, and now I am around 240-260+ It really is just practice that makes all the difference. Don't be discouraged when it sounds crappy for the first couple weeks or month, because it will get better!
misanthropic51 3 years ago
Thanks buddy. if you ever consider selling that pedal give me a shout. It's an axis right?
auburnstone1 3 years ago
NP. And yes they are. If they ever are avail for sale I'll hit you up lol. Thanks
misanthropic51 3 years ago
Thanks bro. laters.
auburnstone1 3 years ago
one word>> `DAMM!!
shift123 3 years ago
ok so what do u suggest, doing each foot "heel right, toe right, heel left, toe left" or switching, "Heel right, heel left, toe right, toe left"? i mess around with dream theater stuff so i really want to learn this.
PhantomDarkTheif 3 years ago
The best way to do it is how i explained it. Think of it like doing doubles but with your feet. Any more questions hit me up, thanks for watching!
misanthropic51 3 years ago
how do you make your heel toe sound loud??? i do this technique, but i play metal and it's not loud enough to beat a half stack.
juangar107 3 years ago
lol generally its not. You must mic it and or trigger it. Then again the only thing that will cut through a half stack is the cymbals if the drums aren' mic'd/ triggered. Any more questions just ask bro. Thanks for watchin
misanthropic51 3 years ago
wish i had longboards :(
420check420 3 years ago
I'm having trouble doing the heel toe method with the new pddp402 double bass pedal I just got. That pedal seems to require lots of power to push it down and just can't seem to do it with my heel. Was able to easily with my old pedal.
IWANTHOTDOG 3 years ago
Try experimenting with the springs on the side. Because of different types of spring, some may need more or less tension than others.
nl59 3 years ago