sorry to see you get injured. thank you for posting so that we may learn. Those ATOS gliders are expensive im wondering if the pilot had trouble keeping his run up seems like this glider has a higher stall speed than the pilot could run. pulling on the bar would have saved airspeed but risk hitting the ground with the control bar..he could have flared - and just keep the nose up no matter what, arms stretched, and take the fall that way
my 5 cents: notice how he pushed out almost as soon as he began running. This must have been the key contributing factor. Rigid winds need more airspeed to begin with so he should have pulled in more and ran until airborne. He almost made it though. Glad he was okay.
Maybe if he had wheels on the base bar he would have just bounced and not ploughed the nose in. Even so, it was a common learner's mistake (stalling). 95% of such bingles don't usually injure the pilot so badly.
@shess0501 high angle of attack, like you say... stalled. makes a big negative pressure.
if you ever watch a large bird while landing, all of their feathers on top of their wings do the same thing. the negative pressure on top of the wings lifts the feathers, which in turn changes the shape of the wing, giving them better low speed lift.
very nasty way to land. He could of easily broken his back or neck. you have to ask is it worth it for one of those things. Powered flight it alot safer than hang gliding
@1982FMJ No matter the machine you fly, you must have the adequate skills to fly it... powered or not. An airfoil meeting relative wind is what causes a flying machine to fly, not the motor.
This pilot was underqualified to fly this glider. An ATOS glider is an advanced fixed wing glider. The pilot made an beginner's mistake and went into a stall. A similar mistake in an airplane would have spelled instant death. In this situation, a hang glider is actually safer than powered aircraft.
@1982FMJ You can consider whatever you wish. I'm simply explaining that any vehicle is going to be as safe as its operator. The majority of hang glider pilots fly with no problems because they use good judgement. Any machine that is operated with reckless decisions is going to become dangerous.
@1982FMJ As for flying into jet streams go, only ATP pilots in passenger jets are immediately concerned with such an altitude. These are the only pilots that absolutely HAVE to take their aircraft beyond the tropopause and into the stratosphere.
@schlusselmensch A similar mistake in an airplane would result in a takeoff stall, in which there is no sufficient altitude to recover. I would not call that a landing. Landings are supposed to happen by choice.
Looks like a case of 'more money than skills'. Don't be so quick to get in the harness before you're off the mountain. He clearly stalled....back to the training hill for basic skills for this pilot!
maybe you should hold you hands on the front side of the downtubes while launching. So do not switch your hands to the back of the downtubes while running. It will help to keep your nose down. Only change your hands when you are in the air (directly change to speedbar)
I see you wanted to fly the glider, and not let theGlider fly you, HG wasn't ready to needed some more frijoles on run, jog crash or is it walk, jog and run you ass off?
Interesting that both spoilerons rise as the glider is stalling. Can't help the airflow at all that way. It reminds me of how bird feathers fluff up on the top of their wings as they stall for landings. I'm wondering if the stalled airflow is actually blowing the spoilers up from behind. Tufts on a wing will indicate reversed airflow when it stalls, if this wing is getting reversed, stalled airflow, that might be the reason the spoilerons raise up increasingly as the wing stalls in.
Maybe the are used as "Rückstromklappen" (sorry, don't now the English word for them- maybe there isn't one!?) - however, they are still not used in GA and CA so maybe you're right and the rising of the spoilers is just a failure. regards Felix
@TheVladomo, I'll get back to training in June. But I will do it very slowly this time and I'll be extremely cautious. its gonna be a year on May 23rd. Its something I want to do and need to do.
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210482fmj 4 months ago
lol get some altitude before u settle in .
nolifemerc 4 months ago
keep pressing 2 :)
EpicFilmsGERMANY 5 months ago
Buy some wheels for the base bar.
dtdan65 5 months ago
i pushed out during take off once. i got away with it. my instructor told me NEVER to do that again.
timmay301 6 months ago
No wind No fly
fabio4756 6 months ago
why is the dust blowing away, bad wind conditions?
subsupercruiser 6 months ago
stolllll
milanoalfredo 7 months ago
should've kept nose more down so he would't get lifted of the ground in the 2nd sec and thus could gain more speed to prevent the stall,
Kounglou 7 months ago
Yep, one two, stuff the bar out. It was the best way to fuck up a launch 30 years ago and it looks like it stiff works really well, even on an Atos.
armandin2048 7 months ago
@armandin2048 on an Atos even more so: higher stall speed
timmay301 2 months ago
sorry to see you get injured. thank you for posting so that we may learn. Those ATOS gliders are expensive im wondering if the pilot had trouble keeping his run up seems like this glider has a higher stall speed than the pilot could run. pulling on the bar would have saved airspeed but risk hitting the ground with the control bar..he could have flared - and just keep the nose up no matter what, arms stretched, and take the fall that way
timmay301 8 months ago
Wtf is he doing? Startlanding? Abort starting? Why is he pushing and get prone when he is supposed to pull and run in upright position?
chiefishere 9 months ago 4
poor atos
snowman3514 9 months ago
STALLED - get a different harness for those LONG runs.
MrSchpankme 10 months ago
your instructor was right!!! But I would say: the glider is better the start is much faster! SOULD HAVE RUN!!!
sn1054a 11 months ago
When i saw this video i heard the screaming of my instructor "pull pull pull"
Ur suposed to pull and run till u get the right speed and than ull get airborne without any pushing at all.
Its not like it was the end of the runway in this case.
Sorry but u got to get back to that little training cliff.
easygtr 11 months ago
i'm sorry but you need to go back at school
deltaplanos 11 months ago
my 5 cents: notice how he pushed out almost as soon as he began running. This must have been the key contributing factor. Rigid winds need more airspeed to begin with so he should have pulled in more and ran until airborne. He almost made it though. Glad he was okay.
damunchiman 11 months ago
both ailerons up ,,stalled it,should have kept running, instead lifts his feet up.
roseytinted 11 months ago
I think he broke his freakin' neck!
zerothehero83 1 year ago
Maybe if he had wheels on the base bar he would have just bounced and not ploughed the nose in. Even so, it was a common learner's mistake (stalling). 95% of such bingles don't usually injure the pilot so badly.
winterka100 1 year ago
@shess0501 high angle of attack, like you say... stalled. makes a big negative pressure.
if you ever watch a large bird while landing, all of their feathers on top of their wings do the same thing. the negative pressure on top of the wings lifts the feathers, which in turn changes the shape of the wing, giving them better low speed lift.
(not that this guy benefited from it)
jwboll 1 year ago
very nasty way to land. He could of easily broken his back or neck. you have to ask is it worth it for one of those things. Powered flight it alot safer than hang gliding
1982FMJ 1 year ago
@1982FMJ No matter the machine you fly, you must have the adequate skills to fly it... powered or not. An airfoil meeting relative wind is what causes a flying machine to fly, not the motor.
This pilot was underqualified to fly this glider. An ATOS glider is an advanced fixed wing glider. The pilot made an beginner's mistake and went into a stall. A similar mistake in an airplane would have spelled instant death. In this situation, a hang glider is actually safer than powered aircraft.
airmanbooker 1 year ago
if you can find me a glider that will ride with the jet stream over the north atlantic then i might consider doing this
1982FMJ 1 year ago
@1982FMJ You can consider whatever you wish. I'm simply explaining that any vehicle is going to be as safe as its operator. The majority of hang glider pilots fly with no problems because they use good judgement. Any machine that is operated with reckless decisions is going to become dangerous.
airmanbooker 1 year ago
@1982FMJ As for flying into jet streams go, only ATP pilots in passenger jets are immediately concerned with such an altitude. These are the only pilots that absolutely HAVE to take their aircraft beyond the tropopause and into the stratosphere.
airmanbooker 1 year ago
@airmanbooker Actually, a similar mistake in an airplane at that altitude would have resulted in a landing.
schlusselmensch 1 year ago
@schlusselmensch A similar mistake in an airplane would result in a takeoff stall, in which there is no sufficient altitude to recover. I would not call that a landing. Landings are supposed to happen by choice.
airmanbooker 1 year ago
@1982FMJ not so sure my friend!
viagro1980 1 year ago
you'd best learn proper launch technique on a Falcon or similar before you bust up that ATOS or worse, gotsta have airspeed or they don't fly
OldHPAT145 1 year ago
needs a more comited run and dont push out to get away from hill coz you stall. build up speed on the run then keep the speed on.
light wind shallow slope is hard mover forward where it is steeper
FCbisleybob 1 year ago
Looks like a case of 'more money than skills'. Don't be so quick to get in the harness before you're off the mountain. He clearly stalled....back to the training hill for basic skills for this pilot!
FutzAndTinker 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
please watch youtube.com/watch?v=vqTyaZnpUNc and tell me if it is broken or okay
slajdik 1 year ago
Run Forrest Run !!!!!
pgpete 1 year ago
looks like he was too heavy for this glider
lti12 1 year ago
stall !!!
maurotopless 2 years ago
maybe you should hold you hands on the front side of the downtubes while launching. So do not switch your hands to the back of the downtubes while running. It will help to keep your nose down. Only change your hands when you are in the air (directly change to speedbar)
belgianhorst 2 years ago 4
Wow, glad there where no rocks down there.
hamboot 2 years ago
Looks like a stall to me. Pilot pushing out before glider ready...Earlier text is right... interesting spioleron action
gilliguts 2 years ago
Should've eat some beans bro.
I see you wanted to fly the glider, and not let theGlider fly you, HG wasn't ready to needed some more frijoles on run, jog crash or is it walk, jog and run you ass off?
xlentertainment 2 years ago
Ouch
livelifealwaystoo 2 years ago
...did the pilot shift weight forward,
putting weight on the basetube and
pulling nose down...?
jwm239 2 years ago
Interesting that both spoilerons rise as the glider is stalling. Can't help the airflow at all that way. It reminds me of how bird feathers fluff up on the top of their wings as they stall for landings. I'm wondering if the stalled airflow is actually blowing the spoilers up from behind. Tufts on a wing will indicate reversed airflow when it stalls, if this wing is getting reversed, stalled airflow, that might be the reason the spoilerons raise up increasingly as the wing stalls in.
tontar 2 years ago
Maybe the are used as "Rückstromklappen" (sorry, don't now the English word for them- maybe there isn't one!?) - however, they are still not used in GA and CA so maybe you're right and the rising of the spoilers is just a failure. regards Felix
CombatPara 2 years ago
@tontar Thats the same thing I was thinking.
lltowing2007 1 year ago
Gotta keep that nose down and run it out.
tomale 2 years ago
Good thing it was 'just' your elbow that broke and not that $20,000 glider!
FutzAndTinker 2 years ago 2
just?
looks like a density altitude thing...or a serious learning lesson....gota run run at that altitude..
acrazedmaniac 2 years ago
@acrazedmaniac you mean altitude above sea level or what, because his altitude was about 0 feet.
timmay301 8 months ago
he was ok, just a broken elbow
fortsnoho 2 years ago
@fortsnoho , sorry to know he broke his elbow.
I broke my rigth humerus while training takeoffs ans landings on a training hill about a year ago. It took me time to recover.
Cyrano9041975 1 year ago
@Cyrano9041975
are you still flying ?
TheVladomo 1 year ago
@TheVladomo, I'll get back to training in June. But I will do it very slowly this time and I'll be extremely cautious. its gonna be a year on May 23rd. Its something I want to do and need to do.
Cyrano9041975 1 year ago