Full 4 iron (1960) = full 5 iron (present day)....uphill = full 6 iron.... into the wind = full 7 iron. Wait, why am I trying to justify what club he uses? It's not how, it's how many. And he uses less. What a beast.
@1tontomato I'll repeat my post a third, and final time to clear things up:
"I have this dvd and Hogan is NOT 155 yds out. He is playing a 430 yd par 4 and the announcer says his drive was 255 yds. i.e. he is 175 yards away, and while the announcer says he has a "full four iron", look at his swing; hardly full by today's standards. Anyone who is posting here... knows that he swings significantly less than 100%, even with a four iron. Hell, his short irons look like pitch-swings."
@thechessstick Isnt that what higher numbered irons are for to take full swings to get high loft, less roll, and less distance. Why would anyone hit a low numbered iron with a 3/4 swing unless they were trying to roll the ball but, that wont offer much accuracy.
Guys..it was a 3/4 swing...watch the backswing...the club never gets close to parrallel....he basically pitched it...Hogan in his prime would easily be top 5 in driving distance today..
It is simple. Hogan was going for the PIN. Always take a little more club and grip down or swing with a lil less power and you will hit it straighter and have those 3 footers more. Not rocket science. Every club has a 30 yard (overlapping gap). From 160 I could hit a 8 Iron, 7 iron, or a very babied 6 iron. Would I use a 6 iron ever? Yes because under the wind a slower swing= lower trajectory=less distance loss. And thats how you play golf.
"Golf"? What's that? I thought we were supposed to play "who can hit the highest-numbered club at any given distance, no matter how much you have to smash it."
@TheGolfdaily , yes, I wondered that myself when I first saw the title of this clip and remembered that Hogan posted his approx. distances in his book ' Ben Hogan's Power Golf '
No kidding. He barely bunted this one. When he was really lashing at it you could see it. And Snead, with a 6-iron from 145? I guarantee you at his peak of physical strength, with today's clubs, he would melt people's faces.
hey guys.. um, pretty sure he is not using a Titleist Prov1 and a set of AP2s... what im saying that is hit equipment made him hit it well shorter than today.
@cockywatchman1976 Ben Hogan was once playing in a pro-am where one of his partners asked him all day what club he was using. Finally, on the eighteenth hole, a long par 3, after hitting his regulation shot, Hogan proceeded to put a ball on the green with every club in his bag. He looked at his astonished amateur partner and told him that it didn't matter what club he used, but rather what the shot had to be in order to make club selection.
@panthershock Haha, yeah I heard that one. i was only joking! Distance isn't that relevant...and Im sure he'd hit it miles past me with decent equipment. But 155 with a 4 iron seems way too little, even with old balls and clubs, maybe wind was agaionst!
I have this dvd and Hogan is NOT 155 yds out. He is playing a 430 yd par 4 and the announcer says his drive was 255 yds. I'll do the math for you: he is 175 yards away, and while the announcer says he has a "full four iron", look at his swing; hardly full by today's standards. Anyone who is posting here has undoubtedly seen much of the other footage of Hogan hitting irons, and knows that he swings significantly less than 100%, even with a four iron. Hell, his short irons look like pitch-swings.
It's not the swing, or the clubs (in the case of irons) that have made the biggest difference in distance. It's the ball. Nicklaus has been saying for years that they need to go back to wound, balata balls for tour players.
BTW, if you've ever watched this entire round of gold, you'll notice that Hogan never missed a fairway and was right at every flag for his approach shots. Unreal control and accuracy.
@aod123100 I think your right. According to the Modern Guide of club making a average 4 iron back then was lofted as a 6 iron and consider the technology. I mean today if he had a top of the line 7-8 iron with the technology. The ball would have gone around 155.
i found a set of blades (probably from the 60's) in my attic. took them to the range. they are really hard to hit. it is amazing how consistent hogan was.
You know what this game is all about? Yeh right ... distance... NO it isnt. Its about control, but if you dont get that try hitting your 7 iron 190 yards IN COMPETITION,
I´ll take a five iron and have an easy time sticking it to the flag.
Anyone else else bother to notice that his divot points well left and yet the ball launches strait to the green. So he's hitting a high cut to this pin. Plus, that is not a "full" 4 iron, maybe 3/4. For all we know it's not even a 4 iron. Oh, and BTW, the modern ball is a good full club longer on iron shots than those old atti-pattern wound balatas. Plus those clubs are shorter than modern irons, blades or not, and the loft is a full club weaker.
the difference today isn't the clubs as much as the modern golf ball. take a tour quality set of irons from 1968 and use a golf ball from 2011....and the ball is going to travel very close distance to modern irons when struck properly
I would say more like 1/2 to 1 club difference based on loft and shaft length. A typical 60's 5 iron had 30 or more degrees of loft, today, 27 is typical. You're right about the ball, the old balatas (not the last generation of the 90's) they were short.
look at the new taylormade 2.0 burner irons, they are longer because the shaft is longer, lighter and the club is less lofted. that general progression has happened over the years, so he is probably hitting what would now be a 9 iron
something to be learned from the greatest players in the game...your clubs aren't just one trick ponies. hogan never needed a bushnell or gps to figure out what club he wanted to use. he played enough and hit enough balls different distances/trajectories with all his clubs and developed a tremendous sense of feel that simply can't be taught. see the shot, feel the shot, and hit the shot. hogan might have been able to pull a 5 or 6 iron here, but obviously he didn't think it was called for.
The real point it that Mr Hogan was one of the best of the best to ever play the game and he earned the adulation and respect from those of us who understand the game.
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Believe me even back then Hogan hit a 4 iron much farther than 155. The video title is bull...unless he was hitting into a very stiff head wind...everyone can take a deep breath now.
you can tell fr the different lofts because with the 4-iron today you try to take a divot like that your gonna hit it fat, but back then taking divots in all your clubs was normal.
Wow, the ignorance displayed here amazes me. To those of you somehow thinking Hogan was deficient by hitting a 4-iron from 155 yards . . . go on back to Hogan's time and try the clubs and balls he used. You will look like a monkey next to him.
@robertschelly OK enlighten me. Didn't they use steel back then with their irons and werent they forged to add distance? At best the irons hit 15 yards shorter then todays irons i'd say. As far as i know the technology improvmement on distance mainly affect the fairway woods and driver.
@Gyro911 You go to the head of the class. Most of the comments about this video are from people who have little clue about ball striking. You are correct iron technology has not changed that much. It's the drivers and fairway woods and the hybrids that have made golf a bit easier.
@robertschelly so true, his estimated swing speed on a driver was 137-139mph there's hardly anyone in the world pulling those numbers even today, he knew what he was doing alright
that shot looked kinda rushed, like he didn't complete his backswing. i dunno i'm not too familiar with hogan's tempo like i am someone like snead but it looked kinda off. or maybe i'm just off?
Who cares about the distance he hit that 4-iron or the distance anyone hits a 4-iron - just appreciate viewing footage of a legendary golf swing.
dopekr - you're right about variable loft angles, but, let's see you take Tiger's blade 6-iron and hit it 216 yards out of a fairway bunker over water to a shallow green. Take any iron anywhere and try to pull that off - not gonna happen! These guys are good!
Equipment is better now, more than anything the ball has completely changed the game. But golf courses have gotten a lot longer as well to compensate. Bottom line is you cant compare players now to players of the past. The players now would completely thrash all older players like Hogan, Snead. Absolutely no comparison. Everything is different, the game is science now, not a waltz.
lol you also gotta remember they didnt have the technology we do now. its not even fair to compare tiger to hogan because if hogan had tigers equipment he would be as good if not better
people go on about who can hit what club how far, you hear about these club players hiotting 9 iron 180 yards.....how many majors have they won ?
Pro golfers hit within themselves, they are focusing on getting pin high, in all sorts of differing conditions week in week out, if you attend a fun clinic you can watch them hit 9 iron 200 yards easy....or a 3 iron out of a bunker.
I have seen a pro clinic and have seen the player hit every club in his bag to a 150 green putter too
What yous are all forgeting is that Hogan was the greatest shot maker of all time.His mind was genuis level when it came to creating shots.If he saw a 4 iron to 155 then thats what was required at that moment.
Distance is easy,creative Genuis is NOT!
The easiest thing to do in golf is hit it far,millions and millions of people can hit it far simply because its easy to do.
You'd be surprised how often the announcers are wrong, even with the superior camera coverage today. Just look and think about it, that club has over 40 degrees of loft to it which makes it about an 8 iron! Now, I'm not sure whose voice that was, but if it was indeed a former player like Jimmy Demaret, he might have been busting balls.
guys, this video shows you that you must hit down on the ball with any club in the bag apart from the driver when it is teed up. The divot must come after the ball so that the clubhead is travelling down as it strikes the ball. Do the same for pitching and chipping because that is what the clubs and ball have been designed to work like.
to all the people who say i can hit a 4 iron 200+ yards all i can say is well done but ur still not one of the greatest players of all time are u ben hogan is a god and the best golfer that ever lived!!
All of you need to look bit closer and you will see this iss not a "Full 4 iron". This is the shortest most compact swing, ever. He stopped the club at a true 9 o'clock position then just let it go and released away. Very Simple Golf Swing. If Tiger could only get this down he would be hands down the best ever.
@mougan999 well for hogan that is his full swing. he might not have had one of the longest swings, but he was one of the most consistent and most skilled. so his distance didn't matter to him, in fact distance wasn't as important back in those days as it is now. but that's just a guess since i'm 16 and hit a 4 iron around 195-200 (with no where near as much talent as hogan, at least not yet). lol i guess plenty of practice and i could be 1/2 as good as this legend of the greatest game!
@MAlatinboy If you can consistently hit a 4 that far at 16 you can just work on consistency and short game and let your distance develop naturally. I probably gained about 10 yards per iron between 16 to 20 and I played a LOT less golf as I got older. My bet is that at 18 you'll easily hit 205+ carry with that same swing.
Hogan was 150 yards out one day when his playing partner asked him what he usually hits from there. Hogan just stared at him for a moment, then proceeded to hit a shot with every club in his bag except driver and putter. Hit the green with every club.
I dont doubt he hit a 4 iron. The yardage means little to me. I once hit a 4 iron 160 yards and in the same round hit an 8 iron 170. Wind, conditions, elevation, they factor in to the shot. I have stood right on a 150 yardage marker and counted 180 to the pin due to a back pin location.
Hi again! I should have remembered on my last post that I think Hogan may have been hitting an 8 iron there. Look at the club he's using. That was what Carl Lohran was talking about in his book with a short little swing that took off like a canon. It was that tremendous action of Hogan's that made that shot.
If you read "One Move To Better Golf" The author was there for that shot and was surprised at the distance it went. You have to remember that these were the days when 250 yards off the tee was a big deal. A five iron went 150 yards if you were great. It was Hogan's action that made that shot possible.
It's the lofts, no question. My main set of irons is a vintage set of Hogan Apex Redline blades. I am AT LEAST a club or club-and-a-half shorter than with my newer Titleists. My Hogan pitching wedge is 50 degrees. That's like a gap wedge today.
The point is, for a level shot with no wind, I've got to really bust that old 4-iron just to go 185. Uphill, into the wind, from 155 out, I would probably hit the 4. Maybe the 5 if I was feeling strong...but most likely the 4.
The specs on a golf club bacjk then were dramatically different than today. Add to that the MAJOR difference in ball technology and you have your answer. Also...MEGA WASKO..How many Majors has your LW won you?
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It's a 4. This was from the Shell's program, a canned event, where they had time to check every club and get every line right. It's just that the 4 back then was shorter and higher-lofted. With 155, if there was any wind into him, it wouldn't have been unusual for a 52-year-old Hogan to take this shortish swing with a 4.
Just to point out that over the years iron lofts have strengthened by about 1 club. A modern pitching wedge has on average 46 degree of loft when 30 years ago it was 49 or 50 degrees. This has a detrimental effect on the long irons as the lower loft makes it very difficult to get the shot airborne. It is just a clever marketing technique to make golfers think that if they hit the short irons further that the clubs are better.
@dopekr you have no clue what your talking about. The iron lofts then were virtually the same as now. Hogan hit a 4 iron under normal conditions much further than 155. This video is bullcrap!! I know because I was playing back in the 60's and 70's and blades(muscle backs) have not changed that much. Back in those days I hit a 4 iron at least 200 to 215 depending on the shot.
@watertonrivers i am golfing now with apex ii that are a couple degrees weaker than modern irons, its roughly half a club difference. this doesn't look like a full swing in the video. it might be a punch shot. His book says 165 regular 4 iron shot up to 190.
Hogan said himself that he had no idea how far he hit one club or another. He hit the shot that was called for, NOT I'll knock it on the green from 180 with an 8 iron to impress all these people. He never carried a yardage book that the pro's today are married to. Hogan said that using a yardage book would deny him the satisfaction of hitting a well stuck golf shot.
who the hell cares??? and I once hit a 4 iron 260 downwind to a downhill green.....none of that means shit.....the only thing that matters is how many times it took to get that white ball in that little hole...
Hogan crushed the ball. Could hit driver 300 with woods and shitty balls... He used a 4 iron there because that is what the shot called for! do you know the conditions that set up his choice of clubs? Wind, elevation, lie, green conditon, carry etc...? please....
Hogan crushed the ball. Could hit driver 300 with woods and shitty balls... He used a 4 iron there because that is what the shot called for! do you know the conditions that set up his choice of clubs? Wind, elevation, lie, green condition, carry etc...? please....
@BuellersIt Exactly.... that's what's all aboot (as a canadian would say) The way through is also important but, again... I don't give a sh** I prefer doing birdie after two 130 yards shots than after a 280 yards shot and two putts.
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a full 4iron from 130? jeez those clubs must be weak like they say.. my grandad could hit a 2wood (actually made from wood) 280 metres back in the day of Ben Hogan. Something i'm proud of :)
I have never heard of the word trolling before anyway...... I got a bit ahead of myself, I just get annoyed with people who think distance is the be all and end all. Whilst acting like they are all it because they can hit it further than someone could with inferior equipment. I realise your comment propably wasn't meant in those terms, however you can see who it comes off a bit arrogant. I mean who really cares about how far you hit the ball?
exactly irons arnt distance clubs anyway they are accuracy clubs he could of put this within two feet and somebody could step up with a pitching wedge and spin it off the green so who cares
I wasnt trolling I was just comparing it to my club. Shit. I didnt say I could beat Ben Hogan. Read what I said. Dumbasses. Also whoever said Tiger put in more work than Tiger is on something. Tiger worked harder than any other golfer period.
300 yard drives in what conditions????? rock hard fairways????
Hogan was long for his era, but never carried his driver more than 260, which is quite long considering eqipment back then, and yes he is the all time greatest ball striker in golf, but to say he would dominate today is ludicrous considering theres a guy out there today who is already dominating the game...
Sergio Garcia is the best ball striker on tour today....how many majors does he have???
Tiger is a great player undoubtably and I'm a fan but Tiger isn't golf and there are weak points to his game that cause him to lose.I just think he is that much better than everyone else day in and day out no one is in his league but Hogan put in so much more work than tiger has.When Hogan was in his 80's he was hitting it over 250 Hogan had a better fundamental game than woods does Hogan would go tournaments not missing a green or fairway and they played courses over 7000yds back then
Hogan is no doubt one of the great grinders of all time but I think its ignorant to assume Tiger doesn't work just as hard......When gearing up for tournaments Tiger is known to have 14 hour nonstop practice sessions.....If Hogan put the work into his short game that Tiger does, maybe he would be as great a player in terms of majors and overall victories, but that just wasn't Ben. He would rather beat balls for 10 or 12 straight hours b/c that part of the game interested him that much more.
"taking a little more time than usual ,he uncorked another 280-yard drive over the bunkered ridge of the doglegging fairway....and landed his shot in the fairway beyond the dogleg."Ben Hogan 18th holeUS Open Oakland Hills 1951
Ben Hogan An American Life
James Dodson pg. 323
Maybe if Ben Hadn't Got Hit by a bus went into the Airforce or actually played in more majors he would have a better record hogan won 8 out of 11 majors he played in 4 of 6 opens and finished in the top three 30%
yes u just stated exactly what I said.....20 yards of roll is pretty standard on most fairways so a 260 yard carry plus 20 yards of roll equals 280...
According to Doug Sanders and Arnold Palmer Hogan got pissed when Arnie's army was raising hell after a Palmer drive and knocked one 310 at Augusta.That was in an Augusta book I read.Hogan was very fundamentaly sound that is why he generated so much power he used the big muscles and kept his arms close to his torso.I do really like
tiger though golf sucked without him David Duval Davis Love the III boring boring Tiger saved golf in my opinion I wouldn't watch it without him
I think he was trying to hit a punch, but I know what you mean because when you see 4 iron and 140 yards the first thing you think is wait can't I hit that with my pitching wedge or my 9 or my 8.
Firstly, it's an elevated green. Secondly, I doubt you could hit Hogan's driver 200 yards. No kidding--that was when woods were wood! Thirdly, the equipment of today can't compare to Hogan's era. You haven't impressed anybody with your comment.
sucks you can only hit an 8 iron 155, o yea and you probably couldn't hit a 4 iron even with todays technology, also you might want to invest in some glasses or corrective lenses and get a dictionary defining the following words: three, quarters, and swing.
this is a low trajectory 3 quarter punch shot. He was trying to hit it 155 with THIS club... You can hit a 4 iron any distance you want if you have trajectory control... Which you obviously don't understand sine eatthemoney already explained it.
What the fuck does that have to do with my comment? I know how to hit a 4 iron many distances, and that does not change the fact that my comment is correct, dumbass.
hogans 4 iron was probably 190-200 average but it was a 30 degree 4 iron
jeddddification 4 days ago
hogan's 4 iron=bubba's half swing w/lob wedge
95gashead 5 days ago
@95gashead thats interesting math there but let me give you a couple variables....
x=ball technology back then was much different
y= shaft and clubhead technology was far inferior back then as well...
I challenge you to try and hit a 1950s 4 iron with a 1950s ball and I bet you cant even come close to carrying it 155 yards.
atlantaguy34 4 days ago
@atlantaguy34 wow! thanks for taking my light hearted comment so seriously. you are obviously the superior being.
95gashead 4 days ago
@95gashead
if you were being sarcastic and light hearted I do apologize. I see too many people ripping on ben hogan and it drives (pun) me nuts!!! sorry bro.
atlantaguy34 1 day ago
Full 4 iron (1960) = full 5 iron (present day)....uphill = full 6 iron.... into the wind = full 7 iron. Wait, why am I trying to justify what club he uses? It's not how, it's how many. And he uses less. What a beast.
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magaz000 3 weeks ago
Almost looks like he hit it fat. But im not an idiot so i know he didnt.
hommeeygeeee 3 weeks ago
Look at that loft, ridiculously high.
Looks more like an 8 iron loft.
Things have definitely changed.
1tontomato 1 month ago
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@1tontomato I'll repeat my post a third, and final time to clear things up:
"I have this dvd and Hogan is NOT 155 yds out. He is playing a 430 yd par 4 and the announcer says his drive was 255 yds. i.e. he is 175 yards away, and while the announcer says he has a "full four iron", look at his swing; hardly full by today's standards. Anyone who is posting here... knows that he swings significantly less than 100%, even with a four iron. Hell, his short irons look like pitch-swings."
pls pass on
maxfiglio 1 month ago
thats so weak, a smooth pw for me goes the same distance
toreman81 1 month ago
That was not a 3/4 swing it was a full iron swing. One of the biggest problems golfers have is using a driver swing with their irons.
thechessstick 1 month ago
@thechessstick Isnt that what higher numbered irons are for to take full swings to get high loft, less roll, and less distance. Why would anyone hit a low numbered iron with a 3/4 swing unless they were trying to roll the ball but, that wont offer much accuracy.
Gyro911 3 weeks ago
@Gyro911 LMFAO! you madd bro? lil key board warrior. :D
talk to me like that in real life and id fucking drop you kid.
magaz000 3 weeks ago
best swing of all time
superbee63 2 months ago
that was a 3/4 swing and it could have been into wind, and the balls back then pretty much had the same performance as hitting a cheese ball
bensteeley 2 months ago
Guys..it was a 3/4 swing...watch the backswing...the club never gets close to parrallel....he basically pitched it...Hogan in his prime would easily be top 5 in driving distance today..
JCook3123 2 months ago
For crying out loud people, read my post 2 months ago.
maxfiglio 2 months ago
It is simple. Hogan was going for the PIN. Always take a little more club and grip down or swing with a lil less power and you will hit it straighter and have those 3 footers more. Not rocket science. Every club has a 30 yard (overlapping gap). From 160 I could hit a 8 Iron, 7 iron, or a very babied 6 iron. Would I use a 6 iron ever? Yes because under the wind a slower swing= lower trajectory=less distance loss. And thats how you play golf.
mikepownzall 3 months ago
@mikepownzall
"Golf"? What's that? I thought we were supposed to play "who can hit the highest-numbered club at any given distance, no matter how much you have to smash it."
emncaity 1 week ago
people ripping on him prob hit their 4 iron hybrids like 175 and think theyre the shit
kevywevykevy 3 months ago
Hogan listed his club distances... he posted 4 iron shot reg. 165, max 190 and min. 155, so, don't be fooled by this title.
luchpockets 3 months ago
@luchpockets
Yea, I wondered that my self. 155 yards with 4 iron sounds too short even though they had crappy balls back then.
TheGolfdaily 3 months ago
@TheGolfdaily , yes, I wondered that myself when I first saw the title of this clip and remembered that Hogan posted his approx. distances in his book ' Ben Hogan's Power Golf '
luchpockets 3 months ago
@luchpockets
No kidding. He barely bunted this one. When he was really lashing at it you could see it. And Snead, with a 6-iron from 145? I guarantee you at his peak of physical strength, with today's clubs, he would melt people's faces.
emncaity 3 months ago
im better than him, i got 3rd at state
sp0rtsfan11 3 months ago
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4fingersinge 2 months ago
@sp0rtsfan11
LoL, u made me laugh. Are you saying you are better than Ben Hogan was?
4fingersinge 2 months ago
@4fingersinge lol no sorry my friend typed that after we got third at State.
sp0rtsfan11 2 months ago
he sucks so bad
sp0rtsfan11 3 months ago
hey guys.. um, pretty sure he is not using a Titleist Prov1 and a set of AP2s... what im saying that is hit equipment made him hit it well shorter than today.
Floundertextsalot 4 months ago
i work soooo hard to maintain a motion that short and simple!
shivom90 4 months ago
his swing plane is really low
Hankywu 4 months ago
not to mention look at the technology we have today...
golf is completely different than it was back in the day
hockeysobie96 5 months ago
A great player isn't measured by their distance, but by their scorecard. Hitting it far is great but if you cant finish is then it doesn't matter
Nate3625 5 months ago
Wow I hit it further than Hogan lol
cockywatchman1976 5 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 Ben Hogan was once playing in a pro-am where one of his partners asked him all day what club he was using. Finally, on the eighteenth hole, a long par 3, after hitting his regulation shot, Hogan proceeded to put a ball on the green with every club in his bag. He looked at his astonished amateur partner and told him that it didn't matter what club he used, but rather what the shot had to be in order to make club selection.
panthershock 4 months ago
@panthershock Haha, yeah I heard that one. i was only joking! Distance isn't that relevant...and Im sure he'd hit it miles past me with decent equipment. But 155 with a 4 iron seems way too little, even with old balls and clubs, maybe wind was agaionst!
cockywatchman1976 4 months ago
I have this dvd and Hogan is NOT 155 yds out. He is playing a 430 yd par 4 and the announcer says his drive was 255 yds. I'll do the math for you: he is 175 yards away, and while the announcer says he has a "full four iron", look at his swing; hardly full by today's standards. Anyone who is posting here has undoubtedly seen much of the other footage of Hogan hitting irons, and knows that he swings significantly less than 100%, even with a four iron. Hell, his short irons look like pitch-swings.
maxfiglio 5 months ago
I bet he'd hit it over 300 yards today. He might only be 5-7inches but with that swing he'd hit the nails everytime.
Threadonaspool 5 months ago
He is so f-ing square at impact
drewster85 6 months ago
It's not the swing, or the clubs (in the case of irons) that have made the biggest difference in distance. It's the ball. Nicklaus has been saying for years that they need to go back to wound, balata balls for tour players.
BTW, if you've ever watched this entire round of gold, you'll notice that Hogan never missed a fairway and was right at every flag for his approach shots. Unreal control and accuracy.
targhee159 6 months ago
@targhee159 what round of golf was this?
anwealde 6 months ago
4 iron from 155?? watta pussy. JK hogan was the best ball striker who cares how far he hit it back in the 60s. the clubs were completely different
pandatanto415 6 months ago
@pandatanto415 A 4 iron back then is like the loft of a 8 iron today.
mikepownzall 6 months ago
@mikepownzall dont think your right there buddy
aod123100 6 months ago
@aod123100 I think your right. According to the Modern Guide of club making a average 4 iron back then was lofted as a 6 iron and consider the technology. I mean today if he had a top of the line 7-8 iron with the technology. The ball would have gone around 155.
mikepownzall 6 months ago
@aod123100 Clubs are shorter and the loft of a 6 iron. I think personally the club would go miles longer if it was a 4 iron with the tech now.
mikepownzall 4 months ago
i found a set of blades (probably from the 60's) in my attic. took them to the range. they are really hard to hit. it is amazing how consistent hogan was.
steveingvar 7 months ago
You know what this game is all about? Yeh right ... distance... NO it isnt. Its about control, but if you dont get that try hitting your 7 iron 190 yards IN COMPETITION,
I´ll take a five iron and have an easy time sticking it to the flag.
FullTimeHypocrite 7 months ago
Anyone else else bother to notice that his divot points well left and yet the ball launches strait to the green. So he's hitting a high cut to this pin. Plus, that is not a "full" 4 iron, maybe 3/4. For all we know it's not even a 4 iron. Oh, and BTW, the modern ball is a good full club longer on iron shots than those old atti-pattern wound balatas. Plus those clubs are shorter than modern irons, blades or not, and the loft is a full club weaker.
MrLuigiFercotti 8 months ago
the difference today isn't the clubs as much as the modern golf ball. take a tour quality set of irons from 1968 and use a golf ball from 2011....and the ball is going to travel very close distance to modern irons when struck properly
JBsZ06 8 months ago
@JBsZ06
I would say more like 1/2 to 1 club difference based on loft and shaft length. A typical 60's 5 iron had 30 or more degrees of loft, today, 27 is typical. You're right about the ball, the old balatas (not the last generation of the 90's) they were short.
MrLuigiFercotti 8 months ago
look at the new taylormade 2.0 burner irons, they are longer because the shaft is longer, lighter and the club is less lofted. that general progression has happened over the years, so he is probably hitting what would now be a 9 iron
somelikeitsnotty 9 months ago
something to be learned from the greatest players in the game...your clubs aren't just one trick ponies. hogan never needed a bushnell or gps to figure out what club he wanted to use. he played enough and hit enough balls different distances/trajectories with all his clubs and developed a tremendous sense of feel that simply can't be taught. see the shot, feel the shot, and hit the shot. hogan might have been able to pull a 5 or 6 iron here, but obviously he didn't think it was called for.
dschultz6072 9 months ago 11
@dschultz6072 he still would have know how far the show was though even though he didnt use a bushnell or gps
awesomedude69ftw 3 weeks ago
I hit my 9 iron 155. If you can only hit a hybrid iron that far then you should put it away.
POIZONKILLZ21 9 months ago
@POIZONKILLZ21 good for yu knucka
MrRobeezy29 9 months ago
Pretty good quality video for its age.
17865329 9 months ago
The real point it that Mr Hogan was one of the best of the best to ever play the game and he earned the adulation and respect from those of us who understand the game.
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bigboycat1 10 months ago
how ture that is
brushfirecri 10 months ago
Believe me even back then Hogan hit a 4 iron much farther than 155. The video title is bull...unless he was hitting into a very stiff head wind...everyone can take a deep breath now.
watertonrivers 10 months ago
he also hit a 6 iron from 180 on the first hole of this match
arniepga 10 months ago
you can tell fr the different lofts because with the 4-iron today you try to take a divot like that your gonna hit it fat, but back then taking divots in all your clubs was normal.
T3hFreek 11 months ago
@T3hFreek Actually if the divot is taken after striking the ball you will not hit it fat. That is a fact my friend.
watertonrivers 10 months ago
Wow, the ignorance displayed here amazes me. To those of you somehow thinking Hogan was deficient by hitting a 4-iron from 155 yards . . . go on back to Hogan's time and try the clubs and balls he used. You will look like a monkey next to him.
robertschelly 11 months ago 15
@robertschelly OK enlighten me. Didn't they use steel back then with their irons and werent they forged to add distance? At best the irons hit 15 yards shorter then todays irons i'd say. As far as i know the technology improvmement on distance mainly affect the fairway woods and driver.
Gyro911 11 months ago
@Gyro911 You go to the head of the class. Most of the comments about this video are from people who have little clue about ball striking. You are correct iron technology has not changed that much. It's the drivers and fairway woods and the hybrids that have made golf a bit easier.
watertonrivers 10 months ago
@robertschelly so true, his estimated swing speed on a driver was 137-139mph there's hardly anyone in the world pulling those numbers even today, he knew what he was doing alright
woodhooker1 1 month ago
155 yars with a 4 iron? thats as far as i hit with a an 8 iron. 4 iron usually goes 200 for me
Gyro911 1 year ago
@Gyro911 wow. you must be a great golfer. lol.
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Gyro911 11 months ago
@Gyro911 wow that is a long way. why is martin kaymer world no. 1 over you?
and a 200 yard 4 iron is weak as piss.
bigboyrichbitch 10 months ago
4-iron 155? Wow. No wonder he only has 64 tour wins with 9 majors.
bunkerputt 1 year ago
lol i could get a wedge there..funny how times change
RYLEBONE 1 year ago
@RYLEBONE Probably - only difference - he stiffs it, you probably pull it 30y left!
JSTARYYYY 1 year ago 2
@RYLEBONE lol the 4 iron in hogan day was about a 9 or 8 iron
mikepownzall 1 year ago
i can hit a 7 iron out of a bunker am i good?
jokes.
that shot looked kinda rushed, like he didn't complete his backswing. i dunno i'm not too familiar with hogan's tempo like i am someone like snead but it looked kinda off. or maybe i'm just off?
dschultz6072 1 year ago
Who cares about the distance he hit that 4-iron or the distance anyone hits a 4-iron - just appreciate viewing footage of a legendary golf swing.
dopekr - you're right about variable loft angles, but, let's see you take Tiger's blade 6-iron and hit it 216 yards out of a fairway bunker over water to a shallow green. Take any iron anywhere and try to pull that off - not gonna happen! These guys are good!
SynchroGolf 1 year ago
back when golf wasnt obsessed with distance...
smallerthantall001 1 year ago 2
ha, it's not a 4 iron. hi-larious.
I still use vintage Hogan irons and in no man's fantasy is that one of his 4 irons.
edwargo 1 year ago
Equipment is better now, more than anything the ball has completely changed the game. But golf courses have gotten a lot longer as well to compensate. Bottom line is you cant compare players now to players of the past. The players now would completely thrash all older players like Hogan, Snead. Absolutely no comparison. Everything is different, the game is science now, not a waltz.
Klistern2 1 year ago
lol you also gotta remember they didnt have the technology we do now. its not even fair to compare tiger to hogan because if hogan had tigers equipment he would be as good if not better
gatoralley01 1 year ago
people go on about who can hit what club how far, you hear about these club players hiotting 9 iron 180 yards.....how many majors have they won ?
Pro golfers hit within themselves, they are focusing on getting pin high, in all sorts of differing conditions week in week out, if you attend a fun clinic you can watch them hit 9 iron 200 yards easy....or a 3 iron out of a bunker.
I have seen a pro clinic and have seen the player hit every club in his bag to a 150 green putter too
2000gpg 1 year ago
@2000gpg
What yous are all forgeting is that Hogan was the greatest shot maker of all time.His mind was genuis level when it came to creating shots.If he saw a 4 iron to 155 then thats what was required at that moment.
Distance is easy,creative Genuis is NOT!
The easiest thing to do in golf is hit it far,millions and millions of people can hit it far simply because its easy to do.
Hitting a golf ball to your chosen spot is NOT!
BillKelly13 1 year ago
You'd be surprised how often the announcers are wrong, even with the superior camera coverage today. Just look and think about it, that club has over 40 degrees of loft to it which makes it about an 8 iron! Now, I'm not sure whose voice that was, but if it was indeed a former player like Jimmy Demaret, he might have been busting balls.
zyband 1 year ago
How do we even know it's a 155yd shot?
ddubois919 1 year ago
wow i,m 19 and my hcp is 5 when i hit a perfect flush 4 iron it doesnt travel more than 195
sandersuperfollador 1 year ago
guys, this video shows you that you must hit down on the ball with any club in the bag apart from the driver when it is teed up. The divot must come after the ball so that the clubhead is travelling down as it strikes the ball. Do the same for pitching and chipping because that is what the clubs and ball have been designed to work like.
poorpilot00 1 year ago
I can't hit a four iron for shit, is there a different way to hit it from the fairway woods and the shorter irons?
Daniel39363 1 year ago
to all the people who say i can hit a 4 iron 200+ yards all i can say is well done but ur still not one of the greatest players of all time are u ben hogan is a god and the best golfer that ever lived!!
anyhitchcock 1 year ago 2
All of you need to look bit closer and you will see this iss not a "Full 4 iron". This is the shortest most compact swing, ever. He stopped the club at a true 9 o'clock position then just let it go and released away. Very Simple Golf Swing. If Tiger could only get this down he would be hands down the best ever.
mougan999 1 year ago
@mougan999 its just his driver that tiger needs to get working, im sure he rips it too hard.
themothmanreturns 1 year ago
@mougan999 i'm pretty sure all the girls had there hands down if you know what i mean
Vinny19rocks 1 year ago
@mougan999 well for hogan that is his full swing. he might not have had one of the longest swings, but he was one of the most consistent and most skilled. so his distance didn't matter to him, in fact distance wasn't as important back in those days as it is now. but that's just a guess since i'm 16 and hit a 4 iron around 195-200 (with no where near as much talent as hogan, at least not yet). lol i guess plenty of practice and i could be 1/2 as good as this legend of the greatest game!
MAlatinboy 1 year ago
@MAlatinboy If you can consistently hit a 4 that far at 16 you can just work on consistency and short game and let your distance develop naturally. I probably gained about 10 yards per iron between 16 to 20 and I played a LOT less golf as I got older. My bet is that at 18 you'll easily hit 205+ carry with that same swing.
PlayaGuitar 1 year ago
ahh the good old days... now this can easily be done with a 9 iron xD
GSCrepresentative 1 year ago
Back in the day I easily hit a 9 iron 160 yards. Irons have not changed that much.
pat52010 1 year ago
i cant even fucking explain how pure that shot was lmao
helenathena 1 year ago
Hogan was 150 yards out one day when his playing partner asked him what he usually hits from there. Hogan just stared at him for a moment, then proceeded to hit a shot with every club in his bag except driver and putter. Hit the green with every club.
maxfiglio 1 year ago
I dont doubt he hit a 4 iron. The yardage means little to me. I once hit a 4 iron 160 yards and in the same round hit an 8 iron 170. Wind, conditions, elevation, they factor in to the shot. I have stood right on a 150 yardage marker and counted 180 to the pin due to a back pin location.
marcusdolby1 1 year ago
Hi again! I should have remembered on my last post that I think Hogan may have been hitting an 8 iron there. Look at the club he's using. That was what Carl Lohran was talking about in his book with a short little swing that took off like a canon. It was that tremendous action of Hogan's that made that shot.
jbetleydc 1 year ago
If you read "One Move To Better Golf" The author was there for that shot and was surprised at the distance it went. You have to remember that these were the days when 250 yards off the tee was a big deal. A five iron went 150 yards if you were great. It was Hogan's action that made that shot possible.
jbetleydc 1 year ago
It's the lofts, no question. My main set of irons is a vintage set of Hogan Apex Redline blades. I am AT LEAST a club or club-and-a-half shorter than with my newer Titleists. My Hogan pitching wedge is 50 degrees. That's like a gap wedge today.
The point is, for a level shot with no wind, I've got to really bust that old 4-iron just to go 185. Uphill, into the wind, from 155 out, I would probably hit the 4. Maybe the 5 if I was feeling strong...but most likely the 4.
Goynes42 1 year ago
there we go hogan!
bloodyslaughter666 1 year ago
and the dicots awful large like he's trying to keep it down - control it
YaaashMichaelScott 1 year ago
Not a full 4 Iron swing.. He looked like he babied it - knockdownish...
YaaashMichaelScott 1 year ago
The specs on a golf club bacjk then were dramatically different than today. Add to that the MAJOR difference in ball technology and you have your answer. Also...MEGA WASKO..How many Majors has your LW won you?
apensyl 1 year ago
lol this is a LW for me !
MegaWasko 1 year ago
155? doubt it...
8cantrell5 1 year ago
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hitmanhawky 2 years ago
I presume a 4iron was gud from 155 yards back then? :/
RoIsCool2009 2 years ago
@RoIsCool2009 his book says his regular 4 iron shot is 165 yards he could hit it up to 190 but usually hit it around 165
drunkass77 2 years ago
no no no these guys were playing with 120 gram plus shafts!
jdhthec 2 years ago
back then 4 iron and 9 iron same length.
SharpEdgeSoda 2 years ago
you can really see the comparison with immelman
aaybtfw 2 years ago
The comparison with Immelman is completely unbelievable, IMHO. So exact in so many places it's spooky.
emncaity 2 years ago
tahts not a 4 iron!
MrPedrogolf 2 years ago
I agree. Looking at the club behind the ball it looks like an 8 or 9. The commentator got it wrong.
bossman96 2 years ago
It's a 4. This was from the Shell's program, a canned event, where they had time to check every club and get every line right. It's just that the 4 back then was shorter and higher-lofted. With 155, if there was any wind into him, it wouldn't have been unusual for a 52-year-old Hogan to take this shortish swing with a 4.
emncaity 2 years ago
shaft is shorter then todays golf clubs
Luckygpg2847 2 years ago 6
Just to point out that over the years iron lofts have strengthened by about 1 club. A modern pitching wedge has on average 46 degree of loft when 30 years ago it was 49 or 50 degrees. This has a detrimental effect on the long irons as the lower loft makes it very difficult to get the shot airborne. It is just a clever marketing technique to make golfers think that if they hit the short irons further that the clubs are better.
irltractor 2 years ago
actually i just looked it up ben hogans pitching wedge was 52 degrees of loft. 2 clubs difference from today
wisgolfer101 2 years ago
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thats it? my 4 iron goes 200
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I can throw mine 250!
scotttinkler 2 years ago
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lol i can hit my 8 iron 150
piguif 2 years ago
also, the clubs we have today are much less lofted than back in the day...
meaning a club with same number today is much less lofted than the old school equivalent..
heck, even today different club manufacturers put different lofts in diferent clubs, nothin is standard anymore in golf
they change the lofts so they can advertise their clubs are longer ..
ppl think they are bombing it by hitting a 7 iron 200 yards when in fact it has the loft of a 5 iron
dopekr 2 years ago 24
@dopekr you have no clue what your talking about. The iron lofts then were virtually the same as now. Hogan hit a 4 iron under normal conditions much further than 155. This video is bullcrap!! I know because I was playing back in the 60's and 70's and blades(muscle backs) have not changed that much. Back in those days I hit a 4 iron at least 200 to 215 depending on the shot.
watertonrivers 10 months ago
@watertonrivers i am golfing now with apex ii that are a couple degrees weaker than modern irons, its roughly half a club difference. this doesn't look like a full swing in the video. it might be a punch shot. His book says 165 regular 4 iron shot up to 190.
drunkass77 9 months ago
@drunkass77
Didn't you hear the commentator said "A full 4 iron"? It was Hogan's full swing shot with a 4 iron.
All of you have to accept it. Modern players including amateurs hit much longer with great accuracy. For a 7-handicap, 165 is an 8 iron!
vietconglimdit 9 months ago
Hogan said himself that he had no idea how far he hit one club or another. He hit the shot that was called for, NOT I'll knock it on the green from 180 with an 8 iron to impress all these people. He never carried a yardage book that the pro's today are married to. Hogan said that using a yardage book would deny him the satisfaction of hitting a well stuck golf shot.
MWolverine1969 2 years ago 6
touche' but im not saying im good, im saying thats how far i hit...
xstevenmaox 2 years ago
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everyone will think i am fibin but i hit a 5 iron 210 once... once I got pretty lucky
mycatrocko 2 years ago
who the hell cares??? and I once hit a 4 iron 260 downwind to a downhill green.....none of that means shit.....the only thing that matters is how many times it took to get that white ball in that little hole...
BuellersIt 2 years ago 35
yea nigga
YEKEHTSIOJOMRUOY024 2 years ago
@BuellersIt 4 iron 155... lololololol
MattJones1418 1 year ago
Hogan crushed the ball. Could hit driver 300 with woods and shitty balls... He used a 4 iron there because that is what the shot called for! do you know the conditions that set up his choice of clubs? Wind, elevation, lie, green conditon, carry etc...? please....
karsurf 1 year ago
Hogan crushed the ball. Could hit driver 300 with woods and shitty balls... He used a 4 iron there because that is what the shot called for! do you know the conditions that set up his choice of clubs? Wind, elevation, lie, green condition, carry etc...? please....
karsurf 1 year ago
@BuellersIt
Just so you know, I can hit my 4 iron much further than 155 Yards
jmaer91 1 year ago
@jmaer91 but your 4 iron is 60 years old
NolandStrike 1 year ago
@NolandStrike
OK I should have put "*sarcasm*" in my comment... but I was hoping everyone would know that by default.
jmaer91 1 year ago
@BuellersIt Exactly.... that's what's all aboot (as a canadian would say) The way through is also important but, again... I don't give a sh** I prefer doing birdie after two 130 yards shots than after a 280 yards shot and two putts.
iVanHalen666 6 months ago
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I have a friend who played some semi-pro golf, he can hit a 6 iron 210, and he did it on a small turtle green, within 10 feet
rendog92 2 years ago
Whatever. Not with the kind of 6-iron they had back then.
emncaity 2 years ago
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this is my pitching wedge i feel bad for old school golf technology
xstevenmaox 2 years ago
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a full 4iron from 130? jeez those clubs must be weak like they say.. my grandad could hit a 2wood (actually made from wood) 280 metres back in the day of Ben Hogan. Something i'm proud of :)
qbb01 2 years ago
Also saying that he would hit a drive straighter than my wedge is ludicrous. Your just trolling when you say things like that.
hubomba 2 years ago
I have never heard of the word trolling before anyway...... I got a bit ahead of myself, I just get annoyed with people who think distance is the be all and end all. Whilst acting like they are all it because they can hit it further than someone could with inferior equipment. I realise your comment propably wasn't meant in those terms, however you can see who it comes off a bit arrogant. I mean who really cares about how far you hit the ball?
rgmmiller93 2 years ago
exactly irons arnt distance clubs anyway they are accuracy clubs he could of put this within two feet and somebody could step up with a pitching wedge and spin it off the green so who cares
dandydude123xyz 2 years ago
I wasnt trolling I was just comparing it to my club. Shit. I didnt say I could beat Ben Hogan. Read what I said. Dumbasses. Also whoever said Tiger put in more work than Tiger is on something. Tiger worked harder than any other golfer period.
hubomba 2 years ago
Hogan put in more work than Tiger. My bad its late.
hubomba 2 years ago
That=My 8 iron.
hubomba 2 years ago
dude sick. your awesome.
bogeyhitter25 2 years ago
crisp. damn
stridskuk87 2 years ago
fat hook
vinesboyseventysix 2 years ago
1.Hogan came in 2nd at the Greater Brock Open in Niagra Falls pounding out several 300 yard drives in 1937.
Hogan was 5'8" 135
2. Hogan did not play by yardages he said there were to many variables...course condition,how you were playing that day ect.
3.Hogan told his shag boy Jody Vasquez to over club if the pin was in the front.
Hogan would dominate today if he was in pre accident shape no one is close to his ability with a golf club
benhogan1977 2 years ago
300 yard drives in what conditions????? rock hard fairways????
Hogan was long for his era, but never carried his driver more than 260, which is quite long considering eqipment back then, and yes he is the all time greatest ball striker in golf, but to say he would dominate today is ludicrous considering theres a guy out there today who is already dominating the game...
Sergio Garcia is the best ball striker on tour today....how many majors does he have???
BuellersIt 2 years ago
Tiger is a great player undoubtably and I'm a fan but Tiger isn't golf and there are weak points to his game that cause him to lose.I just think he is that much better than everyone else day in and day out no one is in his league but Hogan put in so much more work than tiger has.When Hogan was in his 80's he was hitting it over 250 Hogan had a better fundamental game than woods does Hogan would go tournaments not missing a green or fairway and they played courses over 7000yds back then
benhogan1977 2 years ago
Hogan is no doubt one of the great grinders of all time but I think its ignorant to assume Tiger doesn't work just as hard......When gearing up for tournaments Tiger is known to have 14 hour nonstop practice sessions.....If Hogan put the work into his short game that Tiger does, maybe he would be as great a player in terms of majors and overall victories, but that just wasn't Ben. He would rather beat balls for 10 or 12 straight hours b/c that part of the game interested him that much more.
BuellersIt 2 years ago
"taking a little more time than usual ,he uncorked another 280-yard drive over the bunkered ridge of the doglegging fairway....and landed his shot in the fairway beyond the dogleg."Ben Hogan 18th holeUS Open Oakland Hills 1951
Ben Hogan An American Life
James Dodson pg. 323
Maybe if Ben Hadn't Got Hit by a bus went into the Airforce or actually played in more majors he would have a better record hogan won 8 out of 11 majors he played in 4 of 6 opens and finished in the top three 30%
benhogan1977 2 years ago
yes u just stated exactly what I said.....20 yards of roll is pretty standard on most fairways so a 260 yard carry plus 20 yards of roll equals 280...
BuellersIt 2 years ago
According to Doug Sanders and Arnold Palmer Hogan got pissed when Arnie's army was raising hell after a Palmer drive and knocked one 310 at Augusta.That was in an Augusta book I read.Hogan was very fundamentaly sound that is why he generated so much power he used the big muscles and kept his arms close to his torso.I do really like
tiger though golf sucked without him David Duval Davis Love the III boring boring Tiger saved golf in my opinion I wouldn't watch it without him
benhogan1977 2 years ago
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Thats my 8 iron.
hubomba 2 years ago
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rgmmiller93 2 years ago
I think he was trying to hit a punch, but I know what you mean because when you see 4 iron and 140 yards the first thing you think is wait can't I hit that with my pitching wedge or my 9 or my 8.
mgkibbles 2 years ago
Firstly, it's an elevated green. Secondly, I doubt you could hit Hogan's driver 200 yards. No kidding--that was when woods were wood! Thirdly, the equipment of today can't compare to Hogan's era. You haven't impressed anybody with your comment.
jwsmith000 2 years ago 2
Hogan could out drive you with a pro v1 and his favorite 3 iron. Retard.
theestrogenius 2 years ago
sucks you can only hit an 8 iron 155, o yea and you probably couldn't hit a 4 iron even with todays technology, also you might want to invest in some glasses or corrective lenses and get a dictionary defining the following words: three, quarters, and swing.
eatthemoney 2 years ago
8 iron 155 is very close to tour average, dont tAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
Tulsagolfomatic 2 years ago
this is a low trajectory 3 quarter punch shot. He was trying to hit it 155 with THIS club... You can hit a 4 iron any distance you want if you have trajectory control... Which you obviously don't understand sine eatthemoney already explained it.
quasiphatpaul 2 years ago
What the fuck does that have to do with my comment? I know how to hit a 4 iron many distances, and that does not change the fact that my comment is correct, dumbass.
Tulsagolfomatic 2 years ago