Israel Chooses Expansion and Oppression over Security

[dman1311974]

fuck chomsky

[ETSpacealien]

@dman1311974 Fuck you moron.

[lauraleesmithagain]

Um... Palestinians rejected the Oslo treaty that would've given them a huge amount of land back in exchange for peace. The excuse given was apparently that they didn't want to settle for anything less than getting rid of the Jews altogether from the middle east. I can only surmise from this that destruction of the Jews is more important to them than obtaining peace.

[Metsada007]

We will wipe Israel out, their end is near.

[RevolutionaryJam]

Chomsky should say "The Israeli Government" has chosen expansion over security,

Most Israelis seem completely oblivious to the fact as you will find out if you debate with them.

watch?v=HotnTmLI7b4

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

Israel will destroy itself through warmongering. They are completely insane and hell-bent on starting wars with any other Middle Eastern country which tries to stand up to them or become modern. Face it, Israel deserves a kick in the ass.

[JimmyeDallas]

It doesn't deserve a kick in the ass. The Americans just need to stop giving them 3 billion in aid with no strings attached. That's the bottom line.

When America disowns it's Dispesationalists and ends it's historically biased intervention, then peace is an option. But lets not forget the factory workers in America that make the bombs Israel drops. Don't want to take their jerbs.

[tommydaskanninchen]

israel was biggest between 1967 and 1978 or s

so how is it expanding

it gave back gaza southern lebanon and the sinai

[lacarneceria613]

tommydask- your right

IDF troops more polite than PA police'

Jun. 6, 2009

Khaled Abu Toameh ,

IDF soldiers who raid the homes of Palestinians are more polite than the Palestinian Authority security forces in the West Bank, the mother of a top Hamas terrorist who was killed by Israel said over the weekend.

Her son, Yahya Ayyash, nicknamed The Engineer, was responsible for a spate of suicide bombings in the 1990's that killed more than 100 Israelis and injured hundreds others.

[disj1987]

They have given Gaza to the palestinians and they respond by voting in Hamas and continuing terrorist attacks. I agree with TooJewish. The only thing that will lead to Israels destruction is thier acceptance of pacificist policies forced on them in the roadmap to peace. Now the terrorist have an unhindered base to launch new attacks.

[AIPACOWNSCONGRESS]

Wow - the same zionist - pro apartheid liars and propaganda dorks are here day after day, night after night. Do you sick scumbags ever sleep? Do you have a job?

The world is wise to your lies and crimes against the Palestinians, as well as your crimes and scams against the America.

Your little puppets in congress and the media might support you - BUT "We the people" DO NOT.

Go to hell Israel, AIPAC, ADL and all Zionists. You are a disgrace to the human race.

[TooJewish]

and I must repeat this comment.

Its a simple situation... The lands were split into 2 lands, one for Jews and one for arabs... the arabs being idiots left their lands so the arab armies could attack and destroy israel... repeat a few times and see Israel today. All the land Israel holds was won in battles Israel did NOT want.

The rest of these ignorant arabs are just continuing the stupidity and ignorance islam teaches them to continue... peace will appear when islam is gone.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: And again, this is the line of crap that people are no longer believing. You can say it all you want, but people are wising up to your kind.

[TDanza8]

So...never sweet. Better invest in arms companies.

*slaps forehead* There can be peace without the destruction of Israel or Islam. It's called Coexist, and stop Israel's human rights abuses,.

[TooJewish]

human rights abuse??? hahaha, you tipped your hand and showed your antisemitism...

[bobomber]

What do you have against antisemitism? You clearly are a racist. Why then do you have a problem is somebody else is a racist also?

[TooJewish]

actually no puppet boy... it was because of american antisemitism that boatloads of Jews were sent back to germany to be killed by the nazis while the quotas were never filled the years the holocaust was occuring.

[benfranklin1776n]

9-11 Twin Towers False Flag attack by USA to win support for: war, imperialism, oil theft,Patriot Act & Israel. Google: Justice for 9/11, Loose Change, Walt-Mearsheimer-Israel, Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism, Terrorstorm, Money Masters, Robert Bowman, David R Griffin, Steven Jones, Michael Ruppert, Charlie Sheen, Wm Rodriguez, Rosie O'Donnell, Michael Meecher, Andreas von Bülow

video. google. com/videoplay?docid=4972518193­35380093

[nicholas9999]

yank: tho' i'm not sure i can point you to a source at the moment, I'm quite sure tons of Jews who fled Russian and Germany came to the U.S. and became citizens here. Have I misread your question?

[representativepress]

Roosevelt advisor, Morris Ernst was shocked at the Zionists' actions after WWII, "I was amazed and even felt insulted when active Jewish leaders decried, sneered, and then attacked me as if I were a traitor" for suggesting that the survivors of the Holocaust be permitted the choice of emigrating to the United States. p 93, Chomsky, Fateful Triangle

[nicholas9999]

this may be true as a historical event, so perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but jews emigrating to the u.s. has occurred over the course of u.s. history, yes? I know tons of them whose parents came here.

[gmfutube]

That doesn't even address the ones trying to escape Germany before we even entered the war. The US and Britian turndown shiploads of Jewish refugees from Hitler & they ended up back in Germany.

[nicholas9999]

gmfutube: I don't know if your comment was an answer to my question. The point is, it seems an odd configuration of events that the U.S. showed little pity for Jews escaping from Germany, but then showed empathy for Jewish nationalism and for the creation of a Jewish state, all the while giving a U.S. Jewish population full support for their wish to avoid cultural assimilation.

[representativepress]

After the war, tens of thousands of Jewish displaced persons died in camps from miserable conditions and lack of care, as congressional Displaced Persons (DP) gave priority not to the Jews but to refugees from the Russian-occupied Baltic states, many of them Nazi sympathizers, including even SS troopers. There was little American Zionist support for legislation intended to bring DP's to the U.S. in contrast to massive support for resolutions calling for the establishment of a Jewish state.

[representativepress]

yankhadenuf, see the link in the video description for Fateful Triangle by Chomsky. "As for the wretched survivors of Hilter's holocaust themselves, it is likely that many - perhaps most - would have chosen to come to the United States had this opportunity been offered, but the Zionist movement, including American Zionists, preferred that they settle in a Jewish state." pp 92-93

[hodenriss]

no, they were blocked from empathic and moral thinking.

[Slayer34214]

I need an explanation on why they relocated the jews into palestine instead of into some European Country?

[gmfutube]

To continue to have an excuse for British/US meddling in the mid-east. The Brits has double crossed the arabs more than once since they help the Brits destroy the Ottoman empire during WWI.

Everything that goes on there since then has been a result of manuevering by mainly the Brit & US companies to keep control of the flow of oil.

[gmfutube]

The public support of Isreal in the US was first a result of guilt/sympathy for the Jews post WWII.

The most vocal supporters of Isreal now come from the neo-con right with its "christian" base. These people still hate jews as much as ever, but they want to be "blessed by god" by helping Isreal. They also want the Jews to control Jeruselam so that Jesus will come back...and send those same Jews to hell. LMAO

[mrgrieves9876]

great video, more people need to see this

[ForAmerica]

Cheers Tom, keep it up

[wchendri23]

Support for Israel now includes wanting war with Iran. If Iran is such a threat to Jews, then how come there are 25,000 Jews living in Iran, about 100 synagogues and also a Jewish member of parliament. Iran is an example Jews living in relative peace with Muslims.

[representativepress]

wchendri23,

Yes, this worries me greatly. We need to start getting certain basic facts in front of MILLIONS and MILLIONS of fellow Americans.

[Markdorman]

Somewhat Obvious. This is hardly a revelation.

[salim201]

it is if you're from the US

[nicholas9999]

mark: it makes a point that escapes many people. you can be against Israeli expansion and aggression and not be anti-semitic. You can be "for Jews," and not be "for Israel (as presently constructed)". And you can be _not_ a NWO, Illuminati, "the jews own the fed reserve" nutjob, and not be "for Israel."

[Markdorman]

nicholas9999, I've never equated anti Israel with anti-semite.I think the distinctions you allude to are uniquley American in so far as I think the rest of the World already Undersatnds the difference. In much the same way as I am anti American foreign policy and yet count several Americans as good friends. Its an Orwellian argument. A large part of the Middle Eastern Fiasco we currently face could be resolved by Israel following UN Guidelines and taking down that fuckin wall.

[nicholas9999]

mark: Many Americans are anti american foreign policy and have American friends, lol. And of course, the fact that it is not obvious to Americans is the key point, given that American foreign policy vis a vis Israel is probably the single greatest cause of the problems - all the way from '48 forward.

[Markdorman]

A lot of UN vetoes between the Two of them, enough to ensure that nothing ever Improves for the Palestinians, and tensions will always be high regionally because of it. Its a Crime isn't it. Are Americans blind to it? or is it Unreported?

[nicholas9999]

markdor: I don't know where you are, but America has a long history of involvement with Israel and with Jews in America, and with propaganda going back forever, etc. This has had the predictable effects. However, that situation is changing - many people who have no gripe with the Jewish people are open to questioning policy regarding Israel.

[Markdorman]

Nicholas, Im in the UK. TooJewish, I wouldn't wish to visit Israel until it starts to behave in a civilised manner towards its neighbours. Occupations cause hostility, massacres cause hostility. Dont put your hand in the fire and complain that it burns.

[TooJewish]

You make it sound so simple... if only your own ignorance wasnt limited to what "Israel" does... of course this blinds you to the truth of the situation.

Obviously you have never been to Israel or are really that stupid.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: I've never been, but I've talked to a lot of Jewish friends and acquaintances who have gone or regularly go. What is the truth of the situation as you see it?

[TooJewish]

Its a simple situation... The lands were split into 2 lands, one for Jews and one for arabs... the arabs being idiots left their lands so the arab armies could attack and destroy israel... repeat a few times and see Israel today. All the land Israel holds was won in battles Israel did NOT want.

The rest of these ignorant arabs are just continuing the stupidity and ignorance islam teaches them to continue... peace will appear when islam is gone.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: Many of us don't believe this truth now. There are way too many quite reasonable Arabs who see the circumstances very differently. It is your use of the words idiots, stupid and ignorant; I've heard these words before from militant Israelis. Keep in mind that I'm for preserving Israel.

[megarafan]

me too!!

[TooJewish]

Thats nice... if this is truly the case, then ignore self-hating leftist degenerates like this retarded Noam Chomsky...

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: Apart from the other words, you use the words "self-hating, degenerates and retarded," all of which show clearly you have no argument, no game, no legitimacy. I have to believe you are for the destruction of Israel.

[TooJewish]

well nicholas9999 it is obvious from your comment that you are a moron.

I am for a strong and secure Israel. If this means removing the arab filth to stop the attacks, then I am all for it. see, these arab muslim nazis dont want peace, and the few that do have no voice... so unlike the lefties who bend over for arabs do to being afraid of violence, I am all for stoppign the violence in one move. deport the arabs back to their actual lands... which means OUT of Israel.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: The problem with your argument is that it won't work for two reasons 1) it just won't work - there are desperate forces continuing to mount in the ME, 2) people like me wish to preserve Israel- the only way to do that is to take a genuinely moderate approach - Israeli militancy won't work over the long term.

[TooJewish]

It works because it is historical fact and truth.

Your islamo-fascist muslim nazi propaganda doesnt stand up to the truth.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: It is not in fact working. Israel will have to give up the golan, and the west bank. we will all have to come to terms with the nature of the occupation and the original "resettlement" of the Palestinians. There are many Israelis who want a reasonable way out.

[TooJewish]

Firstly, you are incorrect.

The Golan and what you call the "west bank" doesnt need to be given up to anyone. These are legitimate spoils of war. Jewish Land back in Jewish hands.

There is no "ossupation" to come to terms with, the use of the word alone shows your are a propagandist.

Reality and propaganda... wake up you are a propagandist puppet. There are no "ancient palestinians" as actual "palestinians" were Jews and Arabs living in pre 1948 Israel. Jews and Arabs.

[TooJewish]

secondly... The truth will always work.

Wake up puppet boy. Your islamo-facsist muslim nazi propaganda only works on ignorant fools with no historical understanding of the situation and deranged muslims who if given the truthful facts will claim its some plot against islam... not that I care what psychopathic musims belives, as anyone stupid enough to believe the koran needs psychological help.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: You simply don't seem to get the picture. As long as you express yourself in the way you do, you actually end up losing sympathy for the Israeli cause. If you had a reasonable argument, you would probably express it, but your ugly style gives you away. I'm suspicious - I believe you're against the preservation of Israel.

[TooJewish]

Obviously you are a retarded imbecile.

You havent made a single statement with any sliver of truth or factual basis to it...

End result, your just a retarded leftist anti-Jew pansy fuckup too ignorant to realise the truth when its right in front of you.

Have fun retard.

[Timbo227]

To toojewish,

your shooting yourself in the foot with your derogatory slander. Dont expect any intellectual to respect the opinion of one who uses this type language, it is the vernacular of the ignorant.

[TooJewish]

Great... Remembering that this is YouTube reminds me that there isnt a single intellectual on here that would waste their time replying...

so back to the standard line...

[Lacolith]

You're right. He is a standard troll, nothing else.

[nicholas9999]

laco: So let me see, here is Chomsky, a well-recognized scientist devoted to giving people real info on which to base decisions, who believes that Israel's militancy is putting it in _greater_ danger, not less. It's at least an idea worth considering, yes??

[disj1987]

Nicholas: So by saying expansionism I assume Chomsky is talking about not relinquishing lands for the terrorists(palestinians) to have their own state. Well now they do and by Israel giving them this land they have "shot themselves in the foot". The terrorist have done nothing with their new state but vote a terrorist organization into power. The idea was considered and acted on, it hasn't worked, end of story.

[nicholas9999]

disj: Let me put it this way. I've talked many times with Israeli militants and other supporters of Israeli behavior. There is no reasoning with them. They are always righteous in their behavior, theirs is always the correct approach, etc. This will probably never change. But the slow breakdown of the propaganda machine in the U.S., and eventual effects on U.S. leadership, is I believe occurring. We can only wait and see.

[disj1987]

nicholas9999: Israel gave Gaza to the palestinians. The only thing it did was give them a base to launch fresh attacks against Israel unhindered. If they wanted peace, do you think they would have voted for a known terrorist organization dedicated to the complete overthrow of Israel?

[nicholas9999]

disj: Yes, of course, Israel's actions are always correct, and its understanding of events is unbiased. Of course.

[disj1987]

Did you read what I wrote, smartass!? When the palestinians got back Gaza(only the first step in the Roadmap to peace) they responded by voting in a terrorist organization and using Gaza to launch attacks against Israel unhindered!

[nicholas9999]

disj: I understood exactly what you said. You said, quite clearly, Israel is always correct, Israel never does anything wrong. Israel's position is always enlightened, whereas the people they oppress are medieval violent demonic crazies. How dare they stand up for themselves, those ungrateful unwashed, don't they know we are meant to be here? Sure, understood every word!!

[AntiEverything07]

lol do you enjoy being a facsist puppet my son?

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: This is another charge often leveled against any Jew, whether in the U.S. or in Israel, who disagrees with the extremist rightwing people in power. Just keep on calling leftists "self-hating" as get tough policies continue to build world support for limitations on Israeli expansion and dominance.

[TooJewish]

thats the problem genius... its the leftist traitor scum in power, not the "extremist rightwing" who is the only ones who could bring real peace as they understand the enemy attacking Israel constantly while the leftist traitors are bought puppets.

Your comment about expansion shows your true ideals... there is no expansion. Land won in war... arab squatters coming in droves with their claims as fakestinians... the propaganda is great. keep it up.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: "Land won in war". This is the sort of classic remark that defines the Israeli situation so exquisitely. There is something about it that smacks of the word "detainee." It's all quite cynical, one merely defines things as one wants, and, voila!, everything is clear as a bell. There are only friends or demonic enemies. But the 50 years of propaganda is starting to fray around the margins. Too many Americans beginning to admit to shades of gray and more than one legitimate POV.

[TooJewish]

there is only one legitimate POV, and that is the one that also follows through with truth and historical accuracy. The arabs who were squatting in Israel left because other arabs told them to, they gambled on these other arabs killing all the Jews and then they could come back and dance on the dead Jews bodies... well they lost, thats reality. They have no rights to any of the land, they are and were the agressors.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: Sorry, it's always the same, an Israeli version of history. Apparently, the Arabs were not convinced of the legitimacy of "might makes right," and have fought the occupation ever since. The situation is complicated by the fact that Israel was installed by the actions of U.S. president Truman. The current arrangement is untenable, especially if one wishes for the preservation of the state of Israel, which I do.

[TooJewish]

the only occupation there is in Israel is the fact the Israelis have Jobs, and the landsquatting arabs do not. Maybe if they had some form of education they could get out there and find an occupation for themselves.

Other than that, your islamo-facsist muslim nazi propaganda just doesnt get you anywhere.

[nicholas9999]

toojewish: Thanks for the anti-Arab comment, it completely delegitimizes anything further you have. But I'm genuinely grateful for your comment about my propaganda because your comment is at least a realistic political one, instead of some fake "principled Israeli" one. In fact, the question of "doesn't get you anywhere" is an empirical one. We shall see, over time, how things play out.

[lacarneceria613]

TooJewish- 100% right on

sraels RELENTLESS quest for peace

Camp David 2000

Ehud Barak offered Arafat an eventual 91% (after many years) of the West Bank, and all of the Gaza Strip, with Palestinian control over Eastern Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinian state(ALL OCCUPIED TERRITORIES); in addition, all refugees could apply for compensation of property from an international fund to which Israel would contribute along with other countries.

[AbdodoxD]

RELENTLESS quest for peace? Right you go back only 9 years ago how about you go back to the times where Jimmy Carter was the president? he was one of the Main figures that braught egypt and Israel to have a peace treaty, even before that how about the U.N Reslutions the Israelie Government broke the 242, 338 and 465 all those 3 and many more could have achieved peace but they decided not to follow them and started carrying with the blockade and bombardement of the Palestinians.

[powa2live]

It still baffles me, why is the US so strongly supporting Israel for so long? Regional control?

[MrStarborn]

Because that gives them the ability pick new terrorists to improve the support of the USA government in the united states.

[nicholas9999]

powa: because of 1) belief by many christians that the Jewish people have a rightful place in the holy land, 2) huge monetary support of Israel by Jews in the U.S., 3) people, both Jews and non-Jews, in positions of power and influence in both gov't and elsewhere, who believe in Israel's right to exist.

[AntiEverything07]

the religious nuts believe jesus won't return unless the jews control the holy land.

period. the rest is just economical and social terrorism (perpetuated and initiated by america and israel)

[TooJewish]

matters which religious nuts you mean... Since I am obviously Jewish I couldnt give no shits about your false man-gud jesus.

I am interested in security, which will only happen when the arabs are removed from the equation.

[representativepress]

"the religious nuts believe jesus won't return unless the jews control the holy land."

Could someone cite the passage in the Bible they think that is based on?

Because it turns out, "Christian" Zionists are wrong! There's no such requirement. Christians are NOT required to support a "Jewish State," in fact it goes against the whole point of Jesus Christ! If you accept Jesus then you ARE the descendants of Abraham! There is not supposed to be an exclusive control of the Holy Land.

[TooJewish]

jesus freaks are just idolators... they are the descendants of fools who try to steal the covenant with G-d we have with their false jebus crap.

Sorry to burst your bubble... but you are an idiot.

[gratex]

israel is an experiment in the limits of control.

[Gwiz91]

beside subscribing and going on the site what else could i do to campain?