Z3TA+ 2 - Second Generation Waveshaping Synth

[Senj1n]

hahaha, mac losers..

[Flippy1565]

please make a mac version??? :(

[vanishy0urself]

@Flippy1565 you have your Logic, we have our Z3TA. You've got enough Mac-exclusive programs that PC users are salivating about. Let us PCers have our own perks.

[TheEliasMontalvo]

mine doesnt work with i open the vst. the sound shuts off if i move the knobs. anyone know what can fix this problem???

[AlexxInc92]

a fast question... why is sounds from z3ta+ much stronger then other sounds in music softwares?

[ScyL0n]

@AlexxInc92 i dton know, but the synth is raw.

[MrDopeddoped]

this sinth was a little bit a deception. i like his look and the way you can tweek sounds its all organized ok . but i didnt find one single preset thats works to starting point. all sounds are soft or monotonous. u cant compare this to massive or sylenth and dont come to tell me " do your own sounds". couse if i wanted to make my own sounds i could do it on any other sinth. i like synths that come w\sounds u can b inspired by, and z3ta doesnt have any :(

[bluecafe69]

I installed Z3ta 2. It works fine in Sonar X1 but FL Studio can't find it. Where can the dll for Z3ta 2 be found? It's not in the folder.

[DeeNizProductions]

@bluecafe69 you need to change the vst location of z3ta when istalling, choose custom installatation, install z3ta as usual, but when it comes to choose the vst location, choose your vstplugins folder instead of default z3ta location in cakewalk folder. hope it helps, worked for me.

[0733503934]

just got it today.....woooooow, the first version always had my back and now this is on another level of it's own... :-)

[croatianthug]

I came.

[HeavenlyRealms0910]

Z3TA the first is still a learning process this is one of the synths that will blow many away I cannot see it will be used in super studios anything is possible if you have the imagination and patience... the upgrade if you have the first is well priced I think. Peace people if you are the musician that takes this seriously buy it I am.

[hardpulse]

@DJBoN3Z Unfortunately this is a common problem with most VSTs that isn't made by Imageline themselves.. Same shit applies with the cutoff/reso and legato notes.

[lumpichu]

Fair price in USD, but unfortunately Cakewalk shop forces me to buy at a much higher price in EUR. Well it still isn't that expensive but I don't want to pay such premium as a matter of principle :))

[vollrath2323]

can someone buy it then make a torrent

we can all share

[ToasterFerret]

Haha....FL Studio.



[MMK0078]

This is such a great synth! I bought one today and it sounds amazing. Fair price too. Thank you Cakewalk!

[kooistradurk]

No demo Roland?

[Bidd46]

Have you tried reaper

[bimini1212]

just saw it's for sale on the cakewalk website now. ordered one.

[0Jebus0]

@DaNorthernLight Maybe you're right, I've always wondered why it's a popular software amongst beginners. Maybe it's the 'playful' (ehrmm) UI design.. or the sequencer, which I'd imagine for a beginner is a fun toy. All DAWs get cracked quickly though. A friend of mine spent 6 months coding a great anti-piracy system for his software release, it got cracked in days. I felt sorry for him..

Aaaaand back on topic - Can't WAIT for this z3ta+ 2!!

[ScyL0n]

@DaNorthernLight hum..... i see what u mean

[teonoman89]

MAC MAC MAC VERSION!!! PLEASE I BEG YOU DO A MAC VERSION!

[vileguile4]

fair price!!! *reaches for credit card*

[ScyL0n]

@zmazak you mean its not analogue ? like the old ones?

whats your point?

[simonbostock]

please make a mac version.

[kingkirby07]

please make one for mac

[Reggmail]

I like it, I just bough ''FL Studio Producer'' today so that I can intergrate the step sequencer into my Sonar X1 Producer.

I will be looking forward to adding Z3Ta + 2 in the mix as well.

Now please Sonar/Roland give us a Stutter like ''Sugar Bytes Turnado'' (easy for Roland) plug and something like

''FL Pitch'' and it would be the Sonar X1 supper bomb...Lol.

[theremixcom]

Finally!

[djjessebase10]

I tried the first z3ta synth many years ago, back then it was a cpu hog lol

[clones98]

They have removed some features - like using different scales / tunings.

[djcriticalnoise]

ahaha i hope they will NOT make a mac version, some shit needs to stay pc exclusive

[glsmaster]

Can't wait for this :)

[vstman]

@PetreckMusic So FL is a toy? Please do yourself a favor and search for Johan Brodd on Itunes, Amazon, Spotify and other sites like these. I've used FL Studio since 2001. Listen to my music and hear for yourself.

[melodicwaves91]

for all those who say FL is a toy, yes it is, in that it is very easy to work with and it's quick to get an idea to your speakers. it's a blast to work with. having said that, i prefer logic and cubase for using external hardware with. even with midiquest instead of FL's midi out, i don't believe that it's mature enough to compete with these two DAWs on that sector. as for sound quality, honestly all that has been said here is BS.

[humanLoops]

Wow --this looks truly amazing...can't wait to get it. Nice job, Cakewalk!

[photonicz]

Looks cool, I can't wait to try this out !

[mysticsailor9]

i think i am more excited over this that i was with x1!

[EATYone]

windows only.... :((((

[PetreckMusic]

hahahaha... I can't believe the arguments below... people are comparing fruity loops and ableton to professional DAWs like Sonar, Pro Tools and Logic. Come on, grow up! It's like comparing an SLL with a Behringer mixing desk - both will do the job, but 10 out of 10 people would prefer to work on the SSL. That's why dedicated midi controller for Sonar cost £4000, for Pro Tools over £10,000 and for Ableton £349 with postage. The PRO sound quality is unsurpassed!

[jinga8]

@PetreckMusic is SLL a new company? Never heard of them. Must be AWESOME to be able to compete with Behringer mixing desks...I wonder if they can play professional songs? Nah, maybe only amateur songs. Yeah, amateur...ham and cheese and a diet coke, please! ;)

[TheFourdrinier]

@PetreckMusic: I don't consider Abelton a serious product, but contrary to popular opinion, FL Studio is a beast of a DAW. It's not suited for recording environments, it's designed specifically for a fully sequenced production. Pro Tools and Logic are designed for recording. IMO, they are in different categories all together.

[ScyL0n]

@TheFourdrinier i prefer FL studio over Ableton live 10000x times. in FL studio i make a song in few minutes

when i have quick ideas in my mind. in ableton live its soooo frustrating and user-unfriendly.

thats very important IMO. the piano roll in ableton SUCKSSSSS in Fruity its so manyy thing you can tweak...

resulting in more CREATIVITY at work. i only like Ableton Operator Synth. thats all. for its FM sounds.

[TheFourdrinier]

@ScyL0n: Exactly, FL has gained bad rap from the past, but it's feature set far outstrips Abelton, Sonor, Pro Tools, etc. If you want some amazing FM synthesis, try Sytrus. That synth packs a mean FM punch with 64x oversampling to remove any artifacts, even if you FM a 1200hz Saw wave against a 200hz sine at 100% depth.

[uHuTNO]

@PetreckMusic Noob.

A DAW has no "sound-quality". All DAWs work transparent. They don't influence the sound as long as the user doesn't want them to.

[PetreckMusic]

@uHuTNO I read an article somewhere on that as well, but it is not true. DAWs have to mix and process different sounds and the ability of company's programmers to make them do that to the highest fidelity level possible is what gives the DAW that different-coloured sound. I compared FL Studio (7) and SONAR on the same softsynths and I could hear the difference. FL seemed "muddy", whereas SONAR is very clear. Try it yourself, instead of believing other people and/or magazines!

[uHuTNO]

@PetreckMusic

What you think, you've heard has no relevance. You should really google for "placebo effect" and "expectation bias".

Besides the fact, that I studied numerics (aka digital signal processing), it was proven a thousand times by blindtests and "null"-tests, that all DAWs are transparent.

Maybe you should stop believing, what other people said, because it's clearly the case, that you've fallen for one of the oldest myths in the world of audio.

[PetreckMusic]

@uHuTNO So would you say that 2+2=4 and 2.0+2.0=4.00 are equal in software? If you ever attempt to program a vst you will understand the answer. And if you were more interested in the area of DSP you’d know that there is no transparency in DSP processing and there are always trade-offs to be made which have impact on sound quality, timbre, colour etc and thus different gear sounds different. Applies to software too. And as to placebo effect, clearly you are not a musician or being serious.

[uHuTNO]

@PetreckMusic

Stop pretending you'd know anything about digital signal processing, because you clearly don't.

With 32bit fp for simple operations like summing/multiplication (DAW-tasks) the truncation/rounding-errors are way below what anybody can hear.

The differences appear on the least significant bit of a 24bit audio-stream, which means those errors take place at -138dB.

In the end, none of the errors would ever make it to a 16bit file.

[uHuTNO]

@PetreckMusic

For the placebo-effect it doesn't matter, if you are a musician, a scientist, or just an idiot. Nobody is immune to it.

[PetreckMusic]

@uHuTNO OH ! Almost forgot! All of the tests in the professional magazines and internet I have seen and read about proved absolutely jackall! None of them wear even close to serious investigation. Maybe you could share your source of info, I'd be happy to evaluate some new evidence that software DAWs are truly transparent, the cause of this argument.

[uHuTNO]

@PetreckMusic

My information is science. But besides that, every DAW-developer will tell you the same.

You can also visit KVRAudio, if you are really interested in the topic. There people will take the time to explain it to you.

[TheFourdrinier]

@PetreckMusic: uHuTNO speaks the truth. Only under extreme circumstances in Scientific computing(like tracing radio dispersion and interference patterns in micrometer-space) actually require the use of a 64bit double to prevent numerical stagnation. I the case of a DAW, 32bit float will never lose the necessary precision required for what is, in commercial circles, a 24bit integer(yuck). So processing is done, in any DAW, as 32bit float. They are the same "perfect" quality. Transparent.

[PetreckMusic]

@TheFourdrinier I decided not to participate in this argument any more as people seem to know everything on any given subject, without realising how limiting such approach can be. After uHuTNO comments I googled the subject again, and on anjunabeats forum people do report FL Studio sounding muddy (as I had noticed when comparing FL 8 to Sonar 8). Other people said that when they switched from Logic Win to Logic Mac they also noticed the difference.

[TheFourdrinier]

@PetreckMusic: Statistically, those people are experiencing the same mental changes as the Placebo Effect. If someone thinks a product will sound worse, it almost always will. The human brain is far more inclined to believe itself than raw facts. DAW's are transparent, they take the pointer to a 32bit floating point value from a VSTi, and dereference it to the 32bit parameter on another VST. Simple. Effective. Transparent.

[PetreckMusic]

@TheFourdrinier Of course, that difference (be it sound engine, mixing, bussing processing, WMD/WASAPI and other bollocks) is subjective, and some people won't notice a thing. Nevertheless, to me saying that all DAWs sound the same is like saying that e.g. all guitars sound the same. If it was so, why don't we ALL just use one brand of guitar/DAW? DAWs use different programmers, modules, APIs, project managers and deadlines.

[PetreckMusic]

@TheFourdrinier My point about is: not ALL DAWs SOUND THE SAME, but there exist DAWs that sound the same.

[PrtuguesePride]

@PetreckMusic actualy they all sound diferent... but most of people cant notice diference...

there are DAWs that turn the sound warmer than others, but that is mostly because they use a default setup in their audio output, or pré-amp config, but theres definitly diference, specialy in the mixing, there are daw´s where you can mix 70 tracks and use alot of memory and the sound still will be pristine, crystal (excelent quality) and others that if you use alot of tracks will sound kind of shoppy

[MrDopeddoped]

@PrtuguesePride sorry but ive been using both and to me ableton output sounds just like FL10 output cant find any diference.

[PrtuguesePride]

@MrDopeddoped like i said, most of people cant notice diference (thats your ears)

i can easly notice ableton less quality in bottom end of sounds and delay and reverb tales, because the sound loses detail in that parts, that happens mostly because the sample rate is not so high as in other daw´s by definition because ableton is suposed to be a light cpu software for using in live... wich means will consume less cpu than others, but will have a slight inferior quality...

[0Jebus0]

@PrtuguesePride I am surprised anyone can think a professional DAW would colour sound this way tbh, no offence. I would also say a low sample rate would mean the high frequencies are where you would start noticing things, not the low end. Don't quote me on that though.

They all probably handle samples slightly differently though but you'd have to pull out a spectogram and take a flipping darn close look to see it. Hearing it would be, dare I say it, impossible.

[MrDopeddoped]

@PrtuguesePride its all about the external plugins u use and how u use it (E.Q , compression. vsts ) the daw doesnt make that for you, its your head and ears :) for me they all sound quite similar with the master output empty or maybe even equal, not big difference, one thing is true logic and pro tolls have the best built in plugins and thats a big step to archieve a better sound, but u can easily turn around that for ex: using vsts like Z3ta, sylenth, Dune,minimoog and waves v7 on the mixer

[MrDopeddoped]

@uHuTNO TRUE!

[djtequilaslammer]

@uHuTNO A DAW does indeed have "sound quality". Usually the difference is heard in the mixer algorithms and can be profound. If you don't believe me, take a Reason project (for example) and rewire it through Logic, so each sound source goes through separately. Then mix it down identically on Logic's mixer, get a friend to do a blind A/B and listen to the enormous difference - far less congestion in the mid-range, deeper bass and a much more open feel.

[uHuTNO]

@djtequilaslammer

If there are actual differences in sound, it is because you did different things in both DAW programs (might even be some presettings).

Besides the fact, that it was PROVEN endless times, that digital summing in DAW programs doesn't do anything with the sound, I studied that stuff and know what I'm talking about.

32bit floating point resolution (or 48bit fixed in Protools, or 64bit in some programs) is already more than enough to be transparent.

[djtequilaslammer]

@uHuTNO Interesting. If it's proven, could you point me at the proof? I've seen some evidence going the other way, and even set it up myself to confirm it.

I'm fascinated by this stuff. What did you study?

[uHuTNO]

@djtequilaslammer

Check forums like KVRAudio for the proof. The topic comes up there every now and then and sometimes people make comparison files.

I studied amongst other things numerics.

[djtequilaslammer]

@uHuTNO LOL! Well, I literally can't argue with a general wave towards KVRAudio forums, can I?

Now I can see how numerics might give you an angle on the argument, but how does it give you the confidence to state how 'transparent' something sounds with such positivity?

Can you prove, for example, that every summing algorithm used by every DAW will produce an identical 16bit 44.1kHz output for a given set of n inputs at given levels? What about every dithering algorithm, or lack thereof?

[uHuTNO]

@djtequilaslammer

Would be very hard to screw something easy like summing and multiplying up.

It's been a while since I looked into that in detail, but you can actually calculate the max error for a certain operation in a certain numeral system.

Tests (if done right) show, that the differences between DAW programs are below the resolution of a 16bit file (for summing only, because it's often impossible to match fader-levels).

[djtequilaslammer]

@uHuTNO 'Would be .. hard to screw ... summing .. up.'

Dunno about screwing it up, but I do know as a programmer that floating point representations produce sometimes surprising inaccuracies.

Of course, if you're right and any inaccuracies will always be smaller than is able to be represented by a 16 bit waveform, it's game over. (Unless the coders are trying to do some funky optimisation or something.)

But forgive me if I don't just take Random Youtube Comment Guy's word just yet...

[uHuTNO]

@djtequilaslammer

Dithering is another thing. It's used to retain information and reduce quantization artefacts.

It's totally overrated, because for music at usual levels it simply doesn't matter.

Watch the "Audio Myth Workshop" of Ethan Winer here on Youtube for more information about stuff like that.

[djtequilaslammer]

@uHuTNO Dithering is indeed another thing. I do sometimes wonder what algorithms different DAWs use to drop from floating point (or high bit depth) to 16bit for live listening. I never see a choice, like you get when you do a final render.

Just out of interest, what would you say are 'usual' levels? I mean, this is a Z3ta+ 2 video, so I'm guessing dance music is the order of the day. Dunno about you but my stuff is normally played at something approaching pain threshold. ;^)

[uHuTNO]

@djtequilaslammer

As long as the music plays, it's impossible to hear any quantization noise/artefacts. The music peaks near 0dBFS, the artefacts are around -96dbFS below!

If you turn up your volume really very loud, you might be able to hear artefacts and/or dither-noise at the end of a fade-out.

There are different dither noises and different kinds of noise shaping. Some might be better (subjective), but in most/all real world scenarios even no dither at all wouldn't make a difference.

[index0101]

@uHuTNO i guess you miss the words "sound engine"...

[lambd01d]

@PetreckMusic A fool and his money are soon parted. Lots of professionals use FL Studio and Ableton Live, so your argument is flawed-if pros are using them, they are by definition pro DAWs. Double blind null tests have repeatedly shown that there is no difference between the sound quality of DAWs. However, if you stick all the money you've saved by not buying Pro Tools in your ears you WILL definitely hear a difference.

[RoboticusMusic]

@DJBoN3Z I got one about a year ago for some game I never played. Are you sure its not a bill that would pursue that? If this was happening there would be mass hysteria surrounding it.

[RoboticusMusic]

@DJBoN3Z really? thats everyone. where did you hear?

[Djmegaflor]

i want it... now.. :) ;) 

[kabanowster]

what a noobs saying FL is a toy, please grow up

[YEE941]

they copied that fx idea from izotopes nectar lol

[TtopMusic]

@DJBoN3Z Get a real production program like Ableton, FL is a toy

[GRAFq]

@TtopMusic

FL is not a toy, quit talking bs.

[Delicorish]

@TtopMusic i use ableton and let me tell you, a lot of talented and famous people use fruity loops, if you cant make a decent track on it maybe you're the toy eh?

[ScyL0n]

@Delicorish yeah but they dont say they use it!!!! they say "ableton, cubase..."

but FL Studio is a beast of a DAW. i tried cubase and ableton and sony acid pro and I CAME BACK TO FRUITY.

[ScyL0n]

@TtopMusic I HAVE ALBLETON LATEST VERSION ALL FULL . TRIED IT MANY TIMES.

AND MY FRIEND, IT SUCKSSS COMPARED TO FL STUDIO. the piano roll ( very important to make music )

in ableton is a JOKE!!! FL studio has a REAL PROduction piano roll and versatiliy/flexibility.

you just dont like FL studio cuz it has a Fruit as a Logo its IRRATIONAL dislike, not rational. but its more serious than ableton with an ugly grey GUI.

[Nexcet]

beast.

[kokeklasick]

@DJBoN3Z im using sonar and theirs so much better about it have a look at its features and flstudio is only 24bit internal audio engine and all pro daws have at least 32 bit hell even free programs like EnergyXT have at least 32bit whats up with imageline? their so much more i could rip on fl about but i dont have enough characters remaining the interface sucks etc. have a look at the others and try them out

[uHuTNO]

@kokeklasick Noobs like you should stop to talk about things, they don't know.

FLStudio uses 32bit floating point, which is more than enough. 64bit fp or 48bit fixed sounds exactly the same ... the errors are for all 3 formats far, far away from an audible area.

Also FLStudio has some features, other DAWs can only dream about. It's perfect for producing midi-based music, and today it's also great for audio recording (though others are still a bit more comfortable for multitrack recording).

[kokeklasick]

@uHuTNO wrong noobs like you should not think they know what they are typing better get your facts straight

[ScyL0n]

@uHuTNO i agree. FL studio is underrated. i think its irrationality.. its has got so many stuff and sooo USER FRIENDLY.  and if you pay attention, image line impllements new stuff to tweak your sounds whichc is great you only have to pay attention. they work great at every release.

a good sound comes from good use of plugins and mastering ( Waves Mercury 7 ). not the DAW.

[kokeklasick]

@DJBoN3Z your problem is flstudio get a REAL daw

[ScyL0n]

@kokeklasick ok, can you tell me WHY FL studio is not a REAL Daw ??

i could say Ableton is not a real daw. because it has a SUXXORS piano roll

so basic and retarded icant make any shit on ableton , it hinders my creativity. in FL studio i FLY.

[PrtuguesePride]

@ScyL0n anyone who criticize Flstudio being an ableton live user is DUMB, ableton live audio SUCK BALLS

its the worse DAW in the market, the only thing about ableton is that INDEED is very usefull for live performance... ONLY that, forget ableton to use in STUDIO the audio engine was built to be LOW CPU Profile and it cuts alot of quality in the sound signal, in other hand the problem of FLstudio is not the audio quality, but its users, most of FLstudio users are amateurs,so their sound suck

[ScyL0n]

@PrtuguesePride why is it that, as you say, most FLstudio users are amateurs ??? why?

[alexanderonedj]

Mac Version this time Please Cakewalk...

[wetdentist]

z3ta+ is in my top 2 all-time favorite, most heavily used synths. so i am excited about this coming release. however, i think i will wait awhile before taking the plunge for 2 reasons 1) let it get a couple of updates to work out the bugs, 2) BROKE!

[PizziDj]

mac please!!!

[LunatiqueSF]

I hope the preset management has been updated to modern standards with clear categories and filtering/searching functions. That was really the only issue I had with the original Z3TA+.

[iszoloscopeable]

Z3TA+ is easily my favorite synth of all time. I have to say that I really hope Cakewalk will make this version available on both platforms. It's the only tool I truly miss from producing on a Windows machine since I switched to OSx!

[MarcioYTchannel]

>:-D



[djdunamis]

I hope they will make a version for Mac too.

[Desmaad]

@djdunamis Yeah, Cakewalk, do it!

[EternitySoundDesign]

...Yay, graphical arp!

[EternitySoundDesign]

Can't wait!

[sonarrules]

Great thing about music is everyone has different tastes. Sorry you did not like the tune, we will have more examples soon.

[Muziekschuur01]

I like

[azybalka]

promo track sucks balls fucking hard and showing nothing that this synth can produce so better think abouit better one not a keygen soundtrack ...

[PlautoCamargo]

Z3Ta + 2 - best of all.

Top one virtual synth episode!!!!

kkkkk...kkkkk

[PlautoCamargo]

Maravilha!!!!!

[cybersklar]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!



[TheMidstOfIt]

Must have.

[bimini1212]

I Love this!

[plasmaforce11]

wicked!

[kb1629]

Most def upgrading to v2 ASAP!

[MrLotus2035]

I use a PC but I have a couple of friends who use Mac..Will Z3ta+ 2 be released for Mac?

[dragonsagoth666]

@MrLotus2035

Nope.

[narfy]

@MrLotus2035 Nope.

[rickthbass]

Me Likey. Way to go Cake!

[Subtronik]

Sounds as good as hardware... at least the crushing filtered saw.

[deeroks1]

great synth! glad they changed interface!

[RoboticusMusic]

Where can I steal this??

[TheUnknownCowboy]

This is Awesome!!!

When can I get it?