You could always use his weight against him And kick his knees out. If it's a street fight I doubt he'd know any jiu jitsu except for what he sees on tv.
Also if he's on top heavily , I know it sounds stupid but I've gotten ppl off me by getting my ear to their shoulder and forcing my head to get a little under their body and from there to stand push up with your head and hands while pushing your hips back and walking your feet back and to sweep to mount I push my head to his neck
PLEASE YOUTUBERS I NEED YOUR HELP HERE !!!! what if when iam putting someone in my closed guard , he goes flat on me ??? iam pretty sure , there must be a very efficient sweep , or attack form that position , but i dont know wich ??? can you tell me ? or maybe guide me to a video ? i encounter very very often this type of reaction comming from begginers ,, so iam pretty sure , it have a great chance of happening on a street figth ...
@ezzedine114 Ha, I had this same problem since I almost only roll with beginners and am one of them. Just today I found this cool video with counter to the position you described. Just look for ,,finishing moves jean jacques machado" here on youtube. It's all great but you will especially enjoy the fifth technique. BTW, I doubt that you would experience this on the street, there is too much rush to hug someone and rest. xoxo
@kamasumatra Actually this is a realistic situation. The opponent will sometimes just colapse onto you bearing down all his weight. Now if you are fighting someone much bigger than you this can be a huge problem. That is why I think going for a Kimura or at least trying to shrimp out and take the back would be a good idea.
@BandakaKush You're probably right, I don't have much experience. But how can you go for a kimura if a guy gable grips behind your head&shoulder? And most guys will do this. Than, especially if he's bigger, you can't just pull his arm out using only strength. I'll try to find a way to kimura from this position soon and I'll appreciate every advice.
@kamasumatra If he has got the headlock, make your head heavy as to trap his arm behind your head, then grab one if his arms with your own arm. With the other free arm you reach for the sky and bridge, you should be able to roll the guy off you and end up on top in his guard. If he still has the headlock just switch to modified side mount, u will be able to pop out of the headlock by pressing your weight down onto his chin while creating space.
@ezzedine114 Assuming you are wearing a gi, you can cross-grip strangle him/her, or sleeve choke. There are many options for chokes and sweeps when someone goes flat on you. Its probably the worst thing they can do.
Honestly, pulling guard on someone can rattle them more than bullrushing. When someone pulls guard, controls your wrists, and all you can do is squirm, it's a terrifying feeling. Plus there are a lot of combinations and subs you can execute off your back.
But I guess 'your prob 2 shit @ martial arts if your on your ass in the 1st place? Find one fighter who's never been on their back please. Or just ask BJ Penn why he sucks so bad, because he's on his back a lot and few would fight him.
@MischiefCON Check out some pulling gaurd/jump gaurd techniques then look at all the options from there, for a practitioner with long legs(such as myself) then pulling the guy to your guard can be very effective.
I'm sorry but I have to dissagree with the idea of this video. Fighting closed guard for most of a jiu-jitsu match is very ametuer and I only see novice fighters doing it. If you only fight from the closed guard then you become highly predictable, because the only time you open your legs is when your about to sweep or submit. Maintaining wrist/sleeve control and fighting open guard is the best way.
@NepolianZeeBean I don't think he suggests anywhere here that fighting in closed guard for a long time is a good idea. I think he's explaining the principles of the closed guard so that people who are learning BJJ can do it correctly.
If [for whatever reason] you're in closed guard then it makes sense that you'd want to do things right while you're there, even if you're merely on your way to spider guard or whatever.
@ManicParroT I'm sorry I missunderstood him in the begining, he said "for the most part your going to have your legs locked", at first I thought he meant your going to have your legs locked for most of the time your in guard. :)
and the fact he was the first one syaing that gi and no gi grappling are two different things
by the way did u ever try weed?;p like in good stuff? i live in holland and i tried it a few times, nothign wrong with it;p it's a bit like alchohol dont do to much but i small potions its fun
I know you're not asking me, but it's actually not a matter of closed guard vs. rubber guard. You have to first get into closed guard to get to mission control (rubber guard). A better closed guard will mean that you will be better at breaking down your opponents so you can get into mission control (rubber guard). Also, if you can't break down your opponents posture, you better have a damn fucking good closed guard lol.
Yeah, I think he was just going for traditional/orthodox closed guards principles and ideas in this one.
I'm not a big fan of Eddie Bravo because he just smokes way too much weed, but I do like the rubber guard/high guard and some elements of his 10th planet system.
@MLee1692 (nothing wrong with weed ;p if u keep doing it for fun and not habit)
im a fan of 10th planet system because it just the more efficient in no-gi / MMA matches and because it showed us that there were much more ways to tap someone, he really thought of some genius submissions if you ask me ;p
Eh, weed isn't for me, and I advise people I know to stay away from it hahaha =P
But yeah, 10th Planet definitely has some interesting and cool stuff.
Well Eddie didn't really create the rubber guard/high guard or omoplatas or gogoplatas. He just really refined the way to transition into those submissions and created some new stuff.
Yeah i must say as an MMA and submission grappler, its nice to see an instructional video on the PRINCIPLES of grappling techniques(in other words, why ur creating angles and openings etc) The advice I get from my club is so vague. Thanks Stephen, keep`em coming!
so if he has no gi and hes posturing himself on the mat instead of myself, and i control his head by pulling it down, how do i break the posture off the mat?
Move your hips create angles and gain leverage. Mess with what he shows at the end of the video, the classic arm bar set up. The angles you create with that setup lead to many sweeps and subs, but do notice the hip control he uses for the setup.
I think the hardest thing to do in closed guard is controlling posture, especially when attacking.
A lot of people (including me) forget about it as soon as they go for an armbar or triangle and are focused on the submission.
I find it particularly hard to control posture in the pre-armbar position you show at 3:30, which is why I now do it while keeping a grip on his shoulder all the time.
Damn this guy teaches soooooo good! He's like a walking instructors school
golobock 2 weeks ago
thankyou ! :)
y2taner 2 months ago
@Kamasumatra
You could always use his weight against him And kick his knees out. If it's a street fight I doubt he'd know any jiu jitsu except for what he sees on tv.
Also if he's on top heavily , I know it sounds stupid but I've gotten ppl off me by getting my ear to their shoulder and forcing my head to get a little under their body and from there to stand push up with your head and hands while pushing your hips back and walking your feet back and to sweep to mount I push my head to his neck
DarienFilms 3 months ago
PLEASE YOUTUBERS I NEED YOUR HELP HERE !!!! what if when iam putting someone in my closed guard , he goes flat on me ??? iam pretty sure , there must be a very efficient sweep , or attack form that position , but i dont know wich ??? can you tell me ? or maybe guide me to a video ? i encounter very very often this type of reaction comming from begginers ,, so iam pretty sure , it have a great chance of happening on a street figth ...
ezzedine114 6 months ago
@ezzedine114 Ha, I had this same problem since I almost only roll with beginners and am one of them. Just today I found this cool video with counter to the position you described. Just look for ,,finishing moves jean jacques machado" here on youtube. It's all great but you will especially enjoy the fifth technique. BTW, I doubt that you would experience this on the street, there is too much rush to hug someone and rest. xoxo
kamasumatra 6 months ago
@kamasumatra Actually this is a realistic situation. The opponent will sometimes just colapse onto you bearing down all his weight. Now if you are fighting someone much bigger than you this can be a huge problem. That is why I think going for a Kimura or at least trying to shrimp out and take the back would be a good idea.
BandakaKush 5 months ago
@BandakaKush You're probably right, I don't have much experience. But how can you go for a kimura if a guy gable grips behind your head&shoulder? And most guys will do this. Than, especially if he's bigger, you can't just pull his arm out using only strength. I'll try to find a way to kimura from this position soon and I'll appreciate every advice.
kamasumatra 5 months ago
@kamasumatra If he has got the headlock, make your head heavy as to trap his arm behind your head, then grab one if his arms with your own arm. With the other free arm you reach for the sky and bridge, you should be able to roll the guy off you and end up on top in his guard. If he still has the headlock just switch to modified side mount, u will be able to pop out of the headlock by pressing your weight down onto his chin while creating space.
BandakaKush 5 months ago
@kamasumatra Also I am speaking from street defense viewpoint not sport Jiu Jitsu.
BandakaKush 5 months ago
@ezzedine114 Have you tried the forced Kimura in that position?
BandakaKush 5 months ago
@ezzedine114 Assuming you are wearing a gi, you can cross-grip strangle him/her, or sleeve choke. There are many options for chokes and sweeps when someone goes flat on you. Its probably the worst thing they can do.
seedbull 4 months ago
OMG it's DON
johnsykwon 6 months ago
Blue guy: "Stephan your eyes are so beautiful. I want to be in this position forever. Punish me please!"
MrDawg12345 9 months ago
Honestly, pulling guard on someone can rattle them more than bullrushing. When someone pulls guard, controls your wrists, and all you can do is squirm, it's a terrifying feeling. Plus there are a lot of combinations and subs you can execute off your back.
But I guess 'your prob 2 shit @ martial arts if your on your ass in the 1st place? Find one fighter who's never been on their back please. Or just ask BJ Penn why he sucks so bad, because he's on his back a lot and few would fight him.
asquadjoey 9 months ago 2
your prob 2 shit @ martial arts if your on your ass in the 1st place
MischiefCON 11 months ago
@MischiefCON
wtf???
Being on your back is a successful fighting strategy for a LOT of BJJ fighters.
If youre a boxer or kung fu guy etc etc and youre on your back - then yeah, you probably "suck" at being a fighter.
SkemeKOS 7 months ago
@MischiefCON Check out some pulling gaurd/jump gaurd techniques then look at all the options from there, for a practitioner with long legs(such as myself) then pulling the guy to your guard can be very effective.
scorcher165 6 months ago
@scorcher165 I agree Bro... I was just being cheeky.
MischiefCON 6 months ago
I'm sorry but I have to dissagree with the idea of this video. Fighting closed guard for most of a jiu-jitsu match is very ametuer and I only see novice fighters doing it. If you only fight from the closed guard then you become highly predictable, because the only time you open your legs is when your about to sweep or submit. Maintaining wrist/sleeve control and fighting open guard is the best way.
NepolianZeeBean 1 year ago
@NepolianZeeBean I don't think he suggests anywhere here that fighting in closed guard for a long time is a good idea. I think he's explaining the principles of the closed guard so that people who are learning BJJ can do it correctly.
If [for whatever reason] you're in closed guard then it makes sense that you'd want to do things right while you're there, even if you're merely on your way to spider guard or whatever.
ManicParroT 1 year ago
@ManicParroT I'm sorry I missunderstood him in the begining, he said "for the most part your going to have your legs locked", at first I thought he meant your going to have your legs locked for most of the time your in guard. :)
NepolianZeeBean 1 year ago
Why don't you put him in the kamora?
BruceBrooks77 1 year ago
@BruceBrooks77
cuz it's called a kimura, first of all..
angrychickin 1 year ago
@BruceBrooks77 you are watching too much UFC without any Jiu Jitsu knowledge. Why would he put him in a kimura?
NECC94 1 year ago
HEY ARE U THE SILAT GUY!? I just saw a documentry with you in it!
OwayneKhoo93 1 year ago
I'm worried about the hair thing.
itdatruf 1 year ago
Nice video, thanks for uplaoding!
tsi2568 1 year ago
and the fact he was the first one syaing that gi and no gi grappling are two different things
by the way did u ever try weed?;p like in good stuff? i live in holland and i tried it a few times, nothign wrong with it;p it's a bit like alchohol dont do to much but i small potions its fun
normalnamesplz 1 year ago
rubberguard any good in your opinion? because IMO rubberguard is way better htan closed guard
normalnamesplz 1 year ago
@normalnamesplz
I know you're not asking me, but it's actually not a matter of closed guard vs. rubber guard. You have to first get into closed guard to get to mission control (rubber guard). A better closed guard will mean that you will be better at breaking down your opponents so you can get into mission control (rubber guard). Also, if you can't break down your opponents posture, you better have a damn fucking good closed guard lol.
Hope that helped.
MLee1692 1 year ago
@MLee1692 thanks, nice comment
i was wondering about rubberguard because he didnt mention it as a option from closed guard
normalnamesplz 1 year ago
@normalnamesplz
Yeah, I think he was just going for traditional/orthodox closed guards principles and ideas in this one.
I'm not a big fan of Eddie Bravo because he just smokes way too much weed, but I do like the rubber guard/high guard and some elements of his 10th planet system.
MLee1692 1 year ago
@MLee1692 (nothing wrong with weed ;p if u keep doing it for fun and not habit)
im a fan of 10th planet system because it just the more efficient in no-gi / MMA matches and because it showed us that there were much more ways to tap someone, he really thought of some genius submissions if you ask me ;p
normalnamesplz 1 year ago
@normalnamesplz
Eh, weed isn't for me, and I advise people I know to stay away from it hahaha =P
But yeah, 10th Planet definitely has some interesting and cool stuff.
Well Eddie didn't really create the rubber guard/high guard or omoplatas or gogoplatas. He just really refined the way to transition into those submissions and created some new stuff.
MLee1692 1 year ago
i didn't know that moby is a black belt
rastadave 1 year ago
@rastadave I think thats a brown belt, Because my Instructer is a brown belt and has that red thing at the end, Then Again, i might be color Blind XP
DeathruTutorials 1 year ago
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konflow2002 1 year ago
I got same gi, Atama brand is very nice =D
Vladimir144 1 year ago
Yeah i must say as an MMA and submission grappler, its nice to see an instructional video on the PRINCIPLES of grappling techniques(in other words, why ur creating angles and openings etc) The advice I get from my club is so vague. Thanks Stephen, keep`em coming!
criticalbill1983 1 year ago 2
Excellent advice as always, thanks Stephan
pandnh4 2 years ago
Stephen Kesting is AWE-SOMe, I have a program of his on my ipod touch, subscribe to his emails and never tire of his wisdom
dukenukem001 2 years ago
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excellent video thanks Stephan!
therage001 2 years ago
so if he has no gi and hes posturing himself on the mat instead of myself, and i control his head by pulling it down, how do i break the posture off the mat?
tosxpert 2 years ago
Move your hips create angles and gain leverage. Mess with what he shows at the end of the video, the classic arm bar set up. The angles you create with that setup lead to many sweeps and subs, but do notice the hip control he uses for the setup.
drakinwow 2 years ago
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fighttuts 2 years ago
@tosxpert A WB in JJ learns that as soon as he puts his hands on the mat he is opened up for a kimura. That works in gi or no gi.
Solid basics.
jhares0311 2 years ago
your half guard dvd is awesome and easily understood with alot of real situational sequences...thx ..
jamanursula 2 years ago
Brilliant video and link to a fantastically informative site. Highly recommended!
BraveUlysses01 2 years ago
Very Good.
Dudongo86 3 years ago
I think the hardest thing to do in closed guard is controlling posture, especially when attacking.
A lot of people (including me) forget about it as soon as they go for an armbar or triangle and are focused on the submission.
I find it particularly hard to control posture in the pre-armbar position you show at 3:30, which is why I now do it while keeping a grip on his shoulder all the time.
sha167 3 years ago 2
My Sensei always says the same thing: "Position over submission..." So I feel ya man, I feel ya....
BoricuaBrotha 2 years ago
Excellent well taught and explained! Thanks!
peacemaker281 3 years ago