i don't like it when people mess with what is already perfect. I'm sure if Chopin thought it proper to write his op.10 no.1 like this, he would've done so. This type of music really distracts from the musical part of the piece while adding to the technical difficulties.
To my ears, one thing that marks Hamelin apart from many of today's super-technicians: his tone. No matter how stupendous the difficulties, or brilliant the passagework, Hamelin never fails to produce a gorgeous tone. And he is capable of so many fine subtleties. I think that when he is very old and has lost some of his technical power he will be more recognized and appreciated for these most refined qualities.
Imagin youre a college student at a major music school and youre a performance major at studio hour (where all instrumentalists perform pieces). The first ones suck for the most part, mistakes and all, but then finally its youre turn, and youre the new kid on the block. You sit at the piano and play chopin etude 1 followed by Godowskys study version (with the skill of Pollini). Every one then CUMS IN THEIR UNDERWARE!!
Godowsky's interpretations are difficult for me... One the one hand they give those etudes a new perspective, show them in a different light, adding flavours here and there, making them almost enchanting; on the other hand some of these changes seem to me a tad too Liszt-ian (esp. those heavy bass chords) and I don't know if this does Chopin's work justice - but, I think I have to listen to them a lot more to fully grasp what Godowsky intended...
@Keytaster youve heard hamelins study on paganini (commonly referred to as "la campanella").. Godowsky takes a chopin study and does his own (compositional)study based on the original (compositional) study. theyre two totally different pair of shoes. the only way to honor a great piece in this case a cycle of music, is to take it serious (which doesnt mean you cannot "play" with it). Godowsky took them serious, thats called hommage.. course it doesnt sound entirely chopinesque. its godowsky..
i love the godowsky transcriptions almost as much as the originals. so virtuosic though. some of them are absolutely ridiculous. such as the op10 no.12.
I read somewhere that Horowitz himself said that first Chopin Etude out of ALL the original Etudes was the hardest to play. Sounds wierd cos personally I think the one in A flat (the Aoelian hap) is 10 times harder. Anyway, I digress. Horowitz refused to play Godowsky. Whether he thought he (Godowsky) was committing sacrilge by re-writing perfect Chopin, or whether he thought it too hard to play, I don't know. All I know, is that Godowsky is painfully difficult.
there is discussion here on whether this is harder than the original OF COURSE this is harder. that was the whole purpose of writing them, to develop left hand technique.
Unlike the other Godowsky studies, this one is not only interessting on a technical level - I find it very beautiful and even though Chopin's original is far superior, this one has a nice "scent" of Godowsky to it, like some new melodies and atmospheres are added. Defo my favourite of his etudes!
@MrRosfordKjaerulff the one for left hand is good too. i wouldnt say its "far superior" thats kind of disrespectful dont you think?? Chopin is the originator of course, but Godowsky made the etude more musical and covered a greater technical ground
@MrRosfordKjaerulff of course, theres nothing wrong with liking the original better. i actually think if i heard the original first i would have liked it better too.
I find the orginal much harder. Firstly, to learn and memorize godowsky's version is very quick IF you've learned the original first, ofcourse. Also, godowsky gives some leniency with the speed at 144. The problem with orginal is the right hand has no "breaks", and is completely outstreched, and at lightning speed for the entire song, which is not the case with godwosky's. The original is waaay more physically demanding. Cziffra's live version is a good example.
@debussy84 this version essentially plays the right hand from the original with the left, and makes the new right hand even more difficult. In what way is this easier than the original.
@mgager06 Well, i'm by no means stating this as a fact for everyone, just my opinion in my attemps at both. For me, the right hand is made easier in this "remix". Firstly, kicking up the metronome by a single notch makes these pieces noticeably harder and the original is drastically faster by comparison. Also, the remix is the same melody in 3/4, so the original actually requires 4 most 16ths per EACH bar, and yet the original is still completed much sooner.
@mgager06 Also, the stress that develops from the right hand being out-stretched at lightning speed with no chance to breathe for the entire original is prevented by the chords and short intervals that appear regularly throughout godowsky's
What can one say ? Staggeringly difficult to pull off,. but then again we're talking about Hamelin, one of the greatest living pianists. Makes my fingers ache just reading the music lol. Godowsky must have been some pianist.
I actually find it rather crude and tastless - maybe a good exercise in contrary motion arpeggios. Is this supposed to be an improvement on the original?... if so it has failed big time in my book. I agree with musician 2958 above that this is easier than the original ( and IMO musically quite inferior )
@wayneredhart I asked a question - does anyone know if Godowsky mean't it to be an improvement. I didn't make an assumption. Look, in short its a very demanding piece played excellently by Hamelin. On its own terms I cannot knock it...but I much prefer the original as a " piece of music "...thats all!
@warddavis Well, that's certainly a question that's heavily loaded with implication. Adding an "if" hardly makes your comment anyway less damning. Anyway, for you information, Godowksy stated in the most specific terms possible that none of his studies were intended to improve on the originals. So, he didn't "fail big time".
@wayneredhart Well thats me well told then! ha ha...just not a fan of listening to technically difficult vacuous music (more than once) ....fun to play for those with a big technique though - I can just about get through Chopins at a reasonable pace and I do have immense respect for Hamelin and anyone who can do this. I assume I am allowed to have an opinion. I am not advocating banning it!
@warddavis You're more than welcome to dislike it. What I objected to your strong implication that Godowksy might have produced this because he thought he could do better than Chopin had. Personally I'm not a great fan of most of these studies, but I do find this particular one to be an interesting (and largely successful) experiment, musically as well as technically.
@warddavis I don't see how you could call this "vacuous", when it has exactly the same harmonic foundations as Chopin's original, coupled with greater variety (both musically and technically) in the figurations. Chopin's original uses one single figuration with virtually no variety. So how can you refer to a more contrasted version as vacuous, but not the original? I don't really follow the logic of that statement.
I have Berezovsky as my favourite Chopin/Godowsky pianist. If you really really master this one, you can make it spacious, staccato, or whatever. Just a question of taste.
Would be interesting to discuss here techniques and methods of learning to play it.
I find the Godowsky version of this one much more easy to play than the original, but it might be individual I guess. It will take quite a time to master it, but it will be worth it :)
i have the studio recording this is my favorite godowsky etude in faCT THE ONLY ONE I LIKED BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL CHOPIN ETUDES sorry for those caps lol no emphasis on them. its well put together and is very magical
interestingly Hamelin omits the optional octaves in the right hand the first time around but opts for them the 2nd time. The choice is great, although even for me the choice is weird since he didn't use it the first time around. I would've thought if he chose it once, then he might as well use it wherever the option is given.
@scriabinwasmydad I would think it was weird if he chose to play the octaves the first time and not after that. The other way around does kind of make sense.
@scriabinwasmydad perhaps because it occurs twice, doing it in octaves the second time not only restates that figure, but also elates it to a more profound statement? The change in texture and volume brings it further to the fore..... maybe. lol
wow! i have heard Libetta, Hamelin, Madge, Berezovsky, and Grante in these ...
I was planning to post all the etudes but its so much work. as you can see, i havent posted much, very very busy. thanks for the dedication. I'll throw something your way too! :)
It amazes me that the critics who first heard these way back when it first appeared hated these and thought it to be overshadowing Chopin and his works. Such a progressive change in sound like the gears changing in a car
Godowsky should have six fingers. (Compass 3, last note. Look at the finger)
FranKiisko 5 days ago 3
i don't like it when people mess with what is already perfect. I'm sure if Chopin thought it proper to write his op.10 no.1 like this, he would've done so. This type of music really distracts from the musical part of the piece while adding to the technical difficulties.
dalecampbl5 1 week ago
Who played this piece?
Theonedue 1 month ago
this one goes to eleven
megasveco 1 month ago
To my ears, one thing that marks Hamelin apart from many of today's super-technicians: his tone. No matter how stupendous the difficulties, or brilliant the passagework, Hamelin never fails to produce a gorgeous tone. And he is capable of so many fine subtleties. I think that when he is very old and has lost some of his technical power he will be more recognized and appreciated for these most refined qualities.
rekab7070 1 month ago
Who's the pianist here?
markarama23 2 months ago
@markarama23 I believe it's Marc-Andre Hamelin
throwaway69247 2 months ago
Godowsky is so funny!
Chiu19931993 3 months ago in playlist CHOPIN Etude Op.10 n°1
I think I would drink a whole bottle of water after playing this. lol
PlanetReeceMusic 3 months ago
Imagin youre a college student at a major music school and youre a performance major at studio hour (where all instrumentalists perform pieces). The first ones suck for the most part, mistakes and all, but then finally its youre turn, and youre the new kid on the block. You sit at the piano and play chopin etude 1 followed by Godowskys study version (with the skill of Pollini). Every one then CUMS IN THEIR UNDERWARE!!
Theonedue 3 months ago
Godowsky-Chopin's Double waterful etude!!! or maybe... the NIAGARA FALLS ETUDE !!! lol
TheSoken123 3 months ago
Godowsky's interpretations are difficult for me... One the one hand they give those etudes a new perspective, show them in a different light, adding flavours here and there, making them almost enchanting; on the other hand some of these changes seem to me a tad too Liszt-ian (esp. those heavy bass chords) and I don't know if this does Chopin's work justice - but, I think I have to listen to them a lot more to fully grasp what Godowsky intended...
Keytaster 3 months ago
@Keytaster youve heard hamelins study on paganini (commonly referred to as "la campanella").. Godowsky takes a chopin study and does his own (compositional)study based on the original (compositional) study. theyre two totally different pair of shoes. the only way to honor a great piece in this case a cycle of music, is to take it serious (which doesnt mean you cannot "play" with it). Godowsky took them serious, thats called hommage.. course it doesnt sound entirely chopinesque. its godowsky..
agniky 2 months ago
I'm sure that Chopin's soul is in peace when it listens to this transcription of Godowsky!
Nganguenf 4 months ago
wow i didn't know you had this video too :) But my vieo ain't yours
2hyeok 4 months ago
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Ummm...Ugh... My head hurts just thinking about playing this...lol (2)
phew this is sick... i have my troubles getting the original right :( (2)
was the original not hard enough?! (2)
That just makes me want to quit piano. That is not possible! The original is not possible, damnit. (2)
fevimaster 4 months ago
Beautiful... it sounds like 4 hands playing this piece.
xeliosphere 4 months ago
Hexameron
Parabéns, só material surpreendente e de primeira linha!
sergiobantam 5 months ago
Oh boy this is a difficult one to play, but beautifully played! Amazing stuff.
Eztoez 5 months ago
i love the godowsky transcriptions almost as much as the originals. so virtuosic though. some of them are absolutely ridiculous. such as the op10 no.12.
DualThunder 5 months ago
Um.... I think I will be able to play only 1:14, RH crochet and LH two quavers.
TheSoken123 5 months ago
So what did Godowsky do with this piece? It doesn't sound like he combined it with another etude, so I'm guessing the LH is an inversion of the RH?
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Ir0nman86 7 months ago
he took chopin's incredibly complicated etude...and made it more complicated...and intricate, ...incredible.
jerdawg553 7 months ago
Wow !!! Who is Play this version
Hamelin or anther one
airvarie 10 months ago
Ummm...Ugh... My head hurts just thinking about playing this...lol
a1vocalcoachdotcom 11 months ago
Phew! I think I'll stick to playing nursery rhymes.
rationalistx 11 months ago
I read somewhere that Horowitz himself said that first Chopin Etude out of ALL the original Etudes was the hardest to play. Sounds wierd cos personally I think the one in A flat (the Aoelian hap) is 10 times harder. Anyway, I digress. Horowitz refused to play Godowsky. Whether he thought he (Godowsky) was committing sacrilge by re-writing perfect Chopin, or whether he thought it too hard to play, I don't know. All I know, is that Godowsky is painfully difficult.
Eztoez 1 year ago
This looks hard,
openmindspace 1 year ago
phew this is sick... i have my troubles getting the original right :(
shadecross 1 year ago
WTF!!.......I like it.
cedricrlongreen 1 year ago
was the original not hard enough?!
chaz567123456789 1 year ago 20
I can only imagine the beads of sweat of the pianist...
NoirOrchestre 1 year ago
I like it.
StradAmatiViolin 1 year ago
That just makes me want to quit piano. That is not possible! The original is not possible, damnit.
jegspillerpiano 1 year ago
anyone know sythesia??? its a program on how you play the piano easier! :p
nathanmidori 1 year ago
@nathanmidori Synesthesia? It is really a very easy programme!!
tratebane 1 year ago
Is this 'Allegro Maestoso'? Seems too fast.
aardvaark069 1 year ago
Godowski is no less genious than chopin
iltonjardim 1 year ago
there is discussion here on whether this is harder than the original OF COURSE this is harder. that was the whole purpose of writing them, to develop left hand technique.
anonymousQ45 1 year ago
Unlike the other Godowsky studies, this one is not only interessting on a technical level - I find it very beautiful and even though Chopin's original is far superior, this one has a nice "scent" of Godowsky to it, like some new melodies and atmospheres are added. Defo my favourite of his etudes!
MrRosfordKjaerulff 1 year ago
@MrRosfordKjaerulff the one for left hand is good too. i wouldnt say its "far superior" thats kind of disrespectful dont you think?? Chopin is the originator of course, but Godowsky made the etude more musical and covered a greater technical ground
anonymousQ45 1 year ago
@anonymousQ45 Yes, you have a point :) Sry my English is not that good, and maybe I didn't express myself the way I intended to.
I like Chopin's original better, but this piece is so.. HUGE. The "fff" part at 1:14 almost brings tears to my eyes.
MrRosfordKjaerulff 1 year ago
@MrRosfordKjaerulff of course, theres nothing wrong with liking the original better. i actually think if i heard the original first i would have liked it better too.
anonymousQ45 1 year ago
great!!!!!!!!!
rittelmann 1 year ago
Godly
chutdigadut 1 year ago
This is so beautiful.
avalanche183 1 year ago 2
This really shows the love that Godowsky had for Chopin, awesome etudes based on Chopin's Etudes.
OceanbornSWT 1 year ago
Godowsky is pure MADNESS......holy crap, like is this SERIOUS right now!?
chutdigadut 1 year ago 2
How can this even be considered as being easier than the original? It is much harder in every way
ReclaimTheGlory 2 years ago
Who said it was easier?? Every one of the Godowsky arrangements are at least TWICE as difficult as the original.
MrGrigor99 1 year ago
I find the orginal much harder. Firstly, to learn and memorize godowsky's version is very quick IF you've learned the original first, ofcourse. Also, godowsky gives some leniency with the speed at 144. The problem with orginal is the right hand has no "breaks", and is completely outstreched, and at lightning speed for the entire song, which is not the case with godwosky's. The original is waaay more physically demanding. Cziffra's live version is a good example.
debussy84 1 year ago
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maydengarNSBHS 1 year ago
@debussy84 this version essentially plays the right hand from the original with the left, and makes the new right hand even more difficult. In what way is this easier than the original.
mgager06 1 year ago
@mgager06 Well, i'm by no means stating this as a fact for everyone, just my opinion in my attemps at both. For me, the right hand is made easier in this "remix". Firstly, kicking up the metronome by a single notch makes these pieces noticeably harder and the original is drastically faster by comparison. Also, the remix is the same melody in 3/4, so the original actually requires 4 most 16ths per EACH bar, and yet the original is still completed much sooner.
debussy84 1 year ago
@mgager06 Also, the stress that develops from the right hand being out-stretched at lightning speed with no chance to breathe for the entire original is prevented by the chords and short intervals that appear regularly throughout godowsky's
debussy84 1 year ago
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itsanthonyhere 2 years ago
If I tried to learn this thing, I would never have time to date! Or anything else!
MrGrigor99 2 years ago
Being a musician has nothing to do with trying to date. That shouldn't even be an issue on your mind.
itsanthonyhere 1 year ago
What can one say ? Staggeringly difficult to pull off,. but then again we're talking about Hamelin, one of the greatest living pianists. Makes my fingers ache just reading the music lol. Godowsky must have been some pianist.
Eztoez 2 years ago 3
What would Chopin say?
He might be rather snooty, or perhaps enjoy it.
Troybeallad 2 years ago
Wow, this Is more intense than his Revolutionary Etude!! I guess this is one of those songs that can actually hurt you...
blueberr1 2 years ago
I just had an aneurysm keeping up with the sheet music.
deathbymunkey 2 years ago 3
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OrangeSodaKing 2 years ago
really? i think hamelin never plays ossia.. he always sticks to the original..
rvn10rvn17 2 years ago
Oh, well we are both half correct. Some ossias he did take, and some he didn't take.
OrangeSodaKing 2 years ago
this is a superb performance by Hamelin
lhc89 2 years ago
It's a real barn stormer.
Jim341046 2 years ago 2
this version is easy to learn after the Chopin version because the left hand part in this is the original's right hand part
yattaw 2 years ago
If you can play this you DO NOT need to practice your arpeggios!
Jim341046 2 years ago 3
Once you master this etude with your fingers, the next step is to master them with your feet. Both are equally difficult xD
mdeonx16 1 year ago 9
this is fucking crazy. I love it.
SingHouse 2 years ago
I actually find it rather crude and tastless - maybe a good exercise in contrary motion arpeggios. Is this supposed to be an improvement on the original?... if so it has failed big time in my book. I agree with musician 2958 above that this is easier than the original ( and IMO musically quite inferior )
warddavis 2 years ago
no, it is obviously a more demanding piece than the original and therefore comes under technique,i play the original and this is harder
afertyus1000 2 years ago
@warddavis No. It isn't supposed to be an improvement. You "failed big time" by making such a small-minded assumption.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
@wayneredhart I asked a question - does anyone know if Godowsky mean't it to be an improvement. I didn't make an assumption. Look, in short its a very demanding piece played excellently by Hamelin. On its own terms I cannot knock it...but I much prefer the original as a " piece of music "...thats all!
warddavis 2 years ago
@warddavis Well, that's certainly a question that's heavily loaded with implication. Adding an "if" hardly makes your comment anyway less damning. Anyway, for you information, Godowksy stated in the most specific terms possible that none of his studies were intended to improve on the originals. So, he didn't "fail big time".
wayneredhart 2 years ago
@wayneredhart Well thats me well told then! ha ha...just not a fan of listening to technically difficult vacuous music (more than once) ....fun to play for those with a big technique though - I can just about get through Chopins at a reasonable pace and I do have immense respect for Hamelin and anyone who can do this. I assume I am allowed to have an opinion. I am not advocating banning it!
warddavis 2 years ago
@warddavis You're more than welcome to dislike it. What I objected to your strong implication that Godowksy might have produced this because he thought he could do better than Chopin had. Personally I'm not a great fan of most of these studies, but I do find this particular one to be an interesting (and largely successful) experiment, musically as well as technically.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
@warddavis I don't see how you could call this "vacuous", when it has exactly the same harmonic foundations as Chopin's original, coupled with greater variety (both musically and technically) in the figurations. Chopin's original uses one single figuration with virtually no variety. So how can you refer to a more contrasted version as vacuous, but not the original? I don't really follow the logic of that statement.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
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andreybeci 2 years ago
what a ridiculous comment this man would be a better pianist than you even if he had a 1 finger
afertyus1000 2 years ago 3
I can't blame him, look at that horrendously difficult manuscript @_@
Hamelin is better than any other contender, no exceptions.
mdeonx16 2 years ago
good!
It sounds quite funny, rather I like Chopin etude one!! It;s a good challenge!!!
Rickykwun 2 years ago 3
I have Berezovsky as my favourite Chopin/Godowsky pianist. If you really really master this one, you can make it spacious, staccato, or whatever. Just a question of taste.
Would be interesting to discuss here techniques and methods of learning to play it.
musician2598 2 years ago
For spacious grandeur in this piece you can't beat Bolets performance. This Hamelin performance is superb too, I think.
aardvaark069 2 years ago
I find the Godowsky version of this one much more easy to play than the original, but it might be individual I guess. It will take quite a time to master it, but it will be worth it :)
musician2598 2 years ago
@musician2598 If you haven't mastered it then you're not in a position to say that it's easier than the original.
wayneredhart 2 years ago
LOL this is sooo much harder than the other one.
Webarton 2 years ago
i have the studio recording this is my favorite godowsky etude in faCT THE ONLY ONE I LIKED BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL CHOPIN ETUDES sorry for those caps lol no emphasis on them. its well put together and is very magical
anonymousQ45 2 years ago 2
....yea my ears are inversed now lol
danedaworld 2 years ago 3
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Far too many notes. Just one huge all-mighty racket. Godowsky should leave Chopin alone!
NormanicusDiabolicus 2 years ago
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ultracoolhomies 2 years ago
I literally downloaded all these Godowsky etudes on IMSLP. org. The same goes for all Alkan etudes, Chopin, Liszt etc. God, I love the internet.
jasonextreme 2 years ago 47
@jasonextreme It's a really convenient site... but good luck playing those pieces!
SilentViolins 1 year ago
interestingly Hamelin omits the optional octaves in the right hand the first time around but opts for them the 2nd time. The choice is great, although even for me the choice is weird since he didn't use it the first time around. I would've thought if he chose it once, then he might as well use it wherever the option is given.
M-A Hamelin's performance is superb!
scriabinwasmydad 2 years ago 16
@scriabinwasmydad I think he chose to do the octaves the second time only to make it more intense instead of keeping it the same.
JohnJiren 1 year ago
@scriabinwasmydad I would think it was weird if he chose to play the octaves the first time and not after that. The other way around does kind of make sense.
123eldest 1 year ago
There's something to be said for asymmetry.
MichaelHTillman 9 months ago
@scriabinwasmydad perhaps because it occurs twice, doing it in octaves the second time not only restates that figure, but also elates it to a more profound statement? The change in texture and volume brings it further to the fore..... maybe. lol
DualThunder 5 months ago
Thanks for the uploads of Godowsky's Chopin Etudes...They are awfully hard to play which makes a lack of it on Youtube.
talonboy5432 2 years ago
GODOWKSY WAS A GENIUS.... PERIOD.
Egide0 2 years ago 3
I think this version is considerably easier... but thats just IMO
ReclaimTheGlory 2 years ago
Are you going to post more of these? Godowsky's reworking are very interesting.
aewanko300 2 years ago 12
Yes, I'll upload more in the future.
Hexameron 2 years ago
THANK YOU! WHERE DID YOU GET THESE??
Egide0 2 years ago 2
Is the original op10/1 by Chopin more difficult? This may appear to be a dumb question....but op10/1 as it stands is exceptionally difficult anyway.
UKpiano 2 years ago 2
I think this piece is more harder than original by Chopin.
Because of left hand.
vkdlano 2 years ago 5
I agree. It's the left hand.
Androslav 2 years ago 2
wow! i have heard Libetta, Hamelin, Madge, Berezovsky, and Grante in these ...
I was planning to post all the etudes but its so much work. as you can see, i havent posted much, very very busy. thanks for the dedication. I'll throw something your way too! :)
gH
SCOREdom 2 years ago 2
jerk.
sparkape91 2 years ago
Beautiful reading. Great post.
Bravi.
francescaemc2 2 years ago
I am so thrilled to find this posted here. Thank you for paying attention to interpretations and also composers rarely heard. Hamelin is suberb.
MarasVeil 2 years ago 2
Thank You So Much for posting .
fatherwkd 2 years ago
Thanks for posting, I've wanted to hear this.
Reaper978 2 years ago
It amazes me that the critics who first heard these way back when it first appeared hated these and thought it to be overshadowing Chopin and his works. Such a progressive change in sound like the gears changing in a car
gjeacocke 2 years ago