i guess this just goes to show what kind of audiences enjoy south park, right wing idiots. thank god i am a family guy fan. anyway, i have lived in this country the whole 21 years of my existence and the only canadians that i have ever heard complain about our healthcare are albertans who have been sucking americas balls for generations, (hence our nazi pm is from there). i also know many other immigrants to this country who chose to immigrate here FOR our healthcare.
The Canadian system is very broken.Don't kid yourselves.Wait times are very long for starters.To get an MRI takes months and many Canadians just hop across the border to Buffalo and get it done right away.Not everything is covered here as well like prostate exams,eye exams,and many other procedures as well.We have had 1000's die in our hospitals in the last 5-7 years due to C-Deficile,76 alone in the hospital in my town of Burlington, Ontario.Many more 1000's have been sickened as well.
Hello everyone. I am British person (no, not French, German or any other nationality that is in Europe). I have noticed in some of your debates on universial health care that some right-wingers love to bring up the short comings of our NHS as proof of the demonic idea that people should look after one another. So hear it is from the dog's mouth, the NHS (socialised health care) is a good thing. No one ever said you can't still go private, it's just there if you can't afford to. End of.
Americans against socialised health should also go after the public school system then. Couldn't you argue with the same logic that private schooling is the only way to go and that the public schools shouldn't exist because they're "socialist?" Wake up, health is just as important as education and must be available to EVERYONE.
Just wanted to point out that none of the comments that were taken out of context were attacks on Canada. But comparisons of a failed socialized health care to Obamacare. Maybe people should actually listen to the "talking heads" before they scream over top of them.
stop Fox TV, YOU ARE ARMS, If you Wanna Make fun of Canada, Do that to Some other Counrty's NOT US, This Is a Piece of Bull Crap!! I AM CANADIAN BY THE WAY!!
holy shit, I agree with JDSolym. I live in Canada, and I don't have any issues with healthcare. And as for wait times for surgery, it's not that long. ER wait times aren't very long either. I remember when I thought I had broken my foot, I was in the hospital for less than two hours. X-ray and all. This is totall bull.
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) interviewed neurosurgeons in Montreal and Toronto who described Holmes' claims as exaggerated; they stated that her condition was a benign cyst which was not a medical emergency.
@jeremysc123 In an emergency, yes. Then we all pay for it. We spend more than any other country and yet are ranked #27 in health outcomes. 60% of our bankruptcies are due to medical bills.
We are the only industrialized country on the planet that leave the health of its citizens in the hands of greedy for-profit insurance companies - the real “death panels.”
I have a friend who lives in Canada, after spending 20 years here. He is much happier now. Much, much happier.
Wow the American news is actually like that! Utterly bizarre - we have the NHS in the UK which is "socialist healthcare" for want of a better word, and we treasure it. I think the reason Fox News doesn't want this happening is because perhaps a few high-fliers will lose a lot of money.
For all Americans reading, trust me, your system is absolutely insane - if you're poor you're essentially screwed right? Healthcare isn't the place to play around with financial status - this is human life here.
Get sick in the US you better be rich because if not you will die or go into debt forever. But when a Canadian gets sick he can be sure he will be taken care despite his\her wealth or social status. Capitalism has no place in healthcare. Greed leaves way to many in need.
1. People should take better care of themselves. For all you 'self-reliance' rightwingers; if you're 100lbs overweight and need surgery and can't get it- perhaps you shouldn't get it- it's your own fault that you are fat.
2. This has nothing to do with quality- and everything to do with profit. If you really don't want government run health care on ideological grounds please refuse any assistance like medicare and medicaid.
WTF? Canadian Healthcare "appalling"?! You have no clue you nitwits! My niece got her heart surgery (for atrial septal defect) the next day of diagnosis! It wasn't immediately life threatening that's why it took a day.
OMG. I can't believe how ignorant you americans are!!! Canada is just right above you and you know nothing!!! *facepalm*
But Fox News is really good at black propaganda, tip of my hat to Fox news. Kinda reminds me of the Third Reich Propaganda Machine.
@friendlyfire925 Great comment, It's hard to believe so many Americans swallow the propaganda from Faux Noos and the crazy Right Wing.
I was born in the UK 1949 1 year after the establishment of the National Health Service, I benefited greatly from that system as did many millions who prior to 1948 had zero healthcare.
The argument pushed in the US all about taxes, well from Reagan thru to Bush jnr those tax cuts went to the top 1% hardly a group in need!
my friend broke his hand and the doctors said instead of a cast he had to but his hand up his own asswhole after waiting for 3 years. I am a canadian citizen
the conservative republicans in this video are just using propoganda to scare the american citizens against a "socialist" idea. i live in canada, and everything they say in this video is BULLSHIT.
you can't trust the media anymore, especially Fox, which by the way, is the news channel used for a majority of the clips found in this video
It's funny how all these views are from Americans, and not Canadians who actually use the free healthcare. There was the one Canadian lady, but every system has its flaws, that's to be expected. They should get the whole story before they turn the blame on us.
I lived in Canada for 6 years straight. And, to this day, I spend up to about 3 or 4 months a year there, depending on the the year. I have dual citizenship. I have a good deal of experience with the Canadian health-care system. It's far from perfect - it has its share of problems. There's no doubt about it. Would I trade our health-care system for it? In a second! ...unless I was uber-rich. Then, I might think twice.
wow....what incredible bullshit......canada has great health care.....no appointment and you get seen immediately. who knows where they get the "several months" statistic.....i worked in a hospital in kansas city for two years and we had several people die while waiting from bleeding out or blunt force trauma..simple broken bones ended in amputation because they had to get in line behind the insured......if there's a finger to point, its at the american health care system.
@billytinkler no i think your the fucking idiot and obviously not canadian because if you were then you would have realized that I was being sarcastic in part and saying that if we canadians found our health care system so bad we wouldn't have named tommy douglas as the greatest canadian. If you are not aware tommy douglas can be credited with creating universal health care in canada.
Seriously? Can anyone actually stick up for the HCR that was legislated? ( Any U.S. Citizen that respects the U.S. Constitution as ' The Law of the Land ' and is not a communist or far leftist or authoritarian ... or SEIU, AFL-CIO, Huffington Post and all that hold their ideology... Obama, you can respond. ) ;)
...it fox news people only watch it for Family guy and the simpsoms there all stupid ..i watch it and i see crap like this all the time its no surprise i wan't to join the talban just to kill all fox emploies whos with me
Lol, stupid news channels....they will say anything to get attention! this is totaly false, some cases you do have to wait for certain health treatment but you have to wait in the US and France and just about anywhere els sometimes.
@iwannafrankyou you're a fucking idiot, the health system in canada is, by EVERY single scale of measurement, far better than that of the US. this is just retarded conservative propaganda and, if you listen, not at ALL based on actual facts or evidence. these people support private health care because it makes them MONEY, and that is the ONLY reason.
I'm from the UK and I love how the right wing Americans babble on about ours and Canada's healthcare system when in the US, if a patient doesn't have insurance they'd be thrown out on the street and left to die. NICE ONE!
Wel....All i know is...That britains healthcare sucks ass aswell haha
For example....If your a goddam dirty hippie who takes drugs and is a a homeless piece of crap but o your ill...FREE HEALTHCARE...FREE EVERYTHING...But if you work your nutsacks off...you gota pay like fuck...soo it sucks here 2 haha
They made a comment of "I had to wait months for gall bladder surgery." And if true then that is sad. But in the U.S. you wouldn't get it at all unless your job let you. Wait a few months and maybe die? Or not get it at all and definitely die? What do you think sounds best?
I love our Canadian healthcare, I couldnt be happier. I couldnt believe how shitty health in the states was when i got sick there while visiting. i was appalled.
This is total bullshit. I waited only 4 days for an mri when I needed one and if I need to see a specialist I can see one within 1 1/2 to 2 weeks after the appiontment is made. What fox news does is take all of the worst case scenarios and passes them off as an everyday circumstances in Canada. Don't believe an American point of view about Canada because they're all based on ignorance
@NikoNYC1974 because they don't some people may go see a specialist in the States, but some Americans may come to say "Sick Kids Hospital" in Canada for treatment
@NikoNYC1974 there's a long waiting line for canadian healthcare... because there's lot of people using medical equipment... because it's free!!!! dumbass.
knowsalot2002.. lemme guess u love to watch fox news and gain info from there... cuz then everything you know is a lie... Fox always smears all the info to turn their way.. you will never see anything against them...
this is why you see them lie so often and get called out on it.. Fox is ridiculous and making the USA look bad
Oh yes! I'm really appalled at the fact that if I get cancer, I won't have to pay 20,000$ to get treatment. Instead, I pay up a very small fee, just like every other Canadian, as part of my taxes once a year. Yup, you guys in the US have it good: pay or die... *rolls eyes*.
And having a good health IS A HUMAN RIGHT.
You just don't know what you're talking about, "knowsalot".
you're an idiot. first off the point the conservatives are making is not blame canada, but that canada is a socilaized healthcare just like brittian and it does not work. the point is how can you expect our system to be any different. don't take people of context and not work with facts, when you dont do that it makes you look uniformed.
How can your need become some other person's obligation? A person decides to become a doctor through their own effort and finances and when they graduate you are waiting for them to get set up so they can look after you. Why don't we do that with plumbers and mechanics? We need them too so the government sets the rate and you provide the projects. If they like it or not. Sounds like a plan. Or do you just want to reserve this indenture to medical professionals?
You don't need a car repair or toilet plunging as badly as you need to keep yourself in good health. That's a ridiculous comparison and it only weakens your argument.
I am not talking about a plugged toilet. If you own a home and have a water main break you have no waterd the water is flooding your basement you really need a plumber. If you make a living with your vehicle and it breaks down then what do you do...how bad do you need a mechanic .we all have priorities. If health is so important we need to grow up and pay for it and save for it. A plumber for plunging a toilet? When do you go to the doctor? My argument is fine. Yours on the other hand...
No, a car and plumbing are not basic survival needs. There are other ways to travel and there are other ways to get water. If you don't have a car and you lose your job, it doesn't kill you. If you can't see a doctor and you have a serious health problem, it DOES kill you.
@greatrighthope Because mechanics and plumbers work on objects, not people. And the doctors who got through on their own efforts still get paid for it. I'm a Canadian and I actually LIVE this situation. I also have a friend native of the US of A that's been living here for the past couple of years, and the fact that people in the US are being so fearful and hateful of the reform proposed is just beyond her understanding. She's like "Go for it, you morons!!", and she's NOT a left-winger.
Real Canadians would not make up a statement like yours. Canadians by and large have to get insurance just to enter into America in fear they might get hurt in America and go bankrupt.
First you say "Why are YOU all" inferring that "they"...Canadians are coming to America...and then you say "I lived in Alberta" as if you are a Canadian who benefited from the healthcare system. Straighten up your story before commenting.What statistics are there to prove Canadians enter America for treatment
I've never broken a bone in my body. I dislocated my right elbow and had nerve damage in my left arm recently and I was covered with my private insurance. If the public option is passed, I will still use the same health care. I won't cross over to a government run health-care system because what I have already works. Having a government run health-care plan won't bankrupt insurance companies. I don't care if you're considered a lazy bum. You deserve full medical treatment.
I don't care who you are. If you're sick, and you have a pre-existing cough problem, you shouldn't be allowed to be dropped because it's bad for United Healthcare's business.The public option won't bankrupt sht. It'll just keep them in check.
Canada became a socialist country under Pierre Trudeau.
I have family in Canada and it is not as bad as some of the commentators say it is - it is much worse.
The Doctors are good when you can find one and they will allow operating time. Some of the best surgeons in the world are only allowed one day of OR time a week. The problem isn't just the health care you can get but it is the fact that it is illegal to purchase private health care or health care insurance. That is the problem. Say no
I live in Victoria BC and it is not worse. We DO NOT have socialized medicine. Socialized medicine means that doctors are government trained and drugs and equipment are government issued. We have privatized healthcare in some sectors (orthotics, cancer treatment, etc.) Canada wants a little more privatized business to keep the government in check but it is NOT socialized medicine. Our healthcare system is like America's Medicare system. 65 and over are automatically in. Ours is for everyone.
Your definition of Socialized medicine is your own. A reasonable person would agree that a system with 99 percent of all procedures and doctor consultations run through the government is a socialized medicine. Dentistry is private in Canada. Medicine is public. It is against the law to pay for procedures that are offered by the government run health. True, it's not completely socialized because u still have to pay for it every month unless u are on welfare. Nice, the worst of both worlds!
The government is not pursuing the private clinics. However, in Quebec a recent Quebec Supreme Court decision determined that it is illegal to prevent Quebecers from purchasing their own insurance but as of yet their have been no parliamentary bill to deal with this issue. IN CANADA IT IS NOT LEGAL TO GET PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE OR TO PAY FOR PROCEDURES. WHAT DO YOU THINK ALL THOSE HYSTERICAL UNION/NDP PROTESTS ARE ABOUT WHEN EVER THE SUBJECT OF PRIVATE HEALTH CARE COMES UP??? Read a paper.
Health insurance is not the same as health care. I live in Canada and I have Blue Cross to cover prescriptions, vision, dental and things that AREN'T covered by our health care system. It varies from province to province. For example, in Saskatchewan, most medical procedures, tests and surgeries are 100% free, but in BC, you have to pay for some things. Maybe you should read a BOOK since papers are full of slanted articles arguing for political agendas.
And actually Tommy Douglas is responsible for our universal healthcare. Started in Saskatchewan, and then was implemented in the entire country in the 1960s.
This just in! jacquiemt99 is master of the obvious...film at 11:00! I really can't match your command of the facts and history associated to this story. You are one of Canada's great minds....look forward to seeing you on the cover of Maclean's. Just to be clear when was the foundation of the Universal Health Care in question in anything I have written? Just trying to figure out why you pulled that magic bullet out of your holster right now.
@greatrighthope You are completely incorrect. BC(perhaps others) has private clinics, and you are ALLOWED to pay to use it for certain surgeries.AND I have extended medical insurance through Blue Cross as well. As for finding a doctor there are 4 drop in medical clinics within 5 blocks of my home which I can use or I can go to my family doctor. America has worse problems when it comes to medical care. Stop the fear mongering. Ive lived in both countries and Canada has a better system right now.
@josava1 Have not looked at my inbox lately so just to set the record straight; Each one of the private medical services you have pointed out are not legal. They are not permitted. They are tolerated. They can be shut down at any time. They are being used by the government to relieve the load on the public system and also are beneficial for ICBC and Worksafe BC cases. Blue Cross is for extended insurance. that means you can get a private room and a TV and phone if you stay in the hospital.
@greatrighthope Thats setting the record straight?? Right. You say these clinics are illegal but tolerated - Who runs ICBC and Worksafe BC? The Gov't. What are they gonna do arrest and charge themselves and shut down something they are okay with? They arent going anywhere because this systems works for us. Where do you get off claiming extended medical ONLY entitles me to a private room with tv? How about EVEN cheaper meds, eye care, cheaper dental work, massage therapy, chiro, etc. Check mate
@josava1 you might get "cheaper meds, eye care, cheaper dental work, massage therapy, chiro, etc" but you cannot get any medical treatment that would normally be provided by BC Medicare. I have tried to explain the difference on the "private" clinics but you are either not capable of understanding or do not wish to try to comprehend my very straight forward point so to that effect by virtue of either your stubbornness or ignorance you can claim your "Check mate" Good for you. I guess.
im not lieing or trying to pursuade you into thinking anything against healthcare, because in theory its a good idea. All im sayin is its not perfect. My grandmother has to go south to seatle for her medical needs because they dont treat you (in canada) when you reach a certain age-they just make you feel "comfortable"(ready to die). they have to give treatment priority to the younger patients due to the fact that most canadian doctors left to come to the US and earn more money. no lieing here
I lived in Canad for 46 years. I have family in 6 of the 10 provinces. My Mother in Manitoba cannot find a family doctor. She's not in Churchhill but in Winnipeg. My parents lost their doctor, he could no longer handle the workload the government mandated for him. They're in a city of 650,000, 77 and 74 now reduced to going to walk in clinics. Just recently she was told she was too old for stress test. Would you like some more examples of my personal experience?
There are offices in Winnepeg taking on new patients and this is noted online. I am not sure exaclty what the dr per 1000 number is in manitonba, but is better than in Ontario. In Toronto in one section of one heath region there are over 80 Dr's taking on new patients..
I took my daughter to a hospital there. Sunday afternoon for a badly infected toe the wait was 8 - 12 hours. We were told that there were 42 people in line before us and there was only one doctor on staff. My son tore his ligaments and broke his leg jumping for a rebound he got a cast right away but had to wait for 18 months for the surgery to repair his ligaments by the time he got his surgery he had ruined his cartilage. My sister waiting 6 months with a softball sized tumor in her stomach
Press Ganey confirmed that the average ER wait in US hospitals is around 240 minutes. A similiar study of Canadian hospitals found that 90% of Canadian ER patients waited this time or lower. Furthermore since around 2006, Canada has overtaken the US in number of General Practioners....meaning we have more per 1000 and we have long had more nurses per 1000. US actually ranks near the bottom of industrialized nations for Doctors...no where close to the top
For medical procedures the US leads the world. I am certain there must be more around the numbers but I have experienced both and can only say that your statistics do not match my experience in any way. However, my argument is only anecdotal so I must deffer. I just wonder what the other 10% experienced in Canada and if those numbers where factored into the stats would Canada's numbers be worse? Just an odd way to present the findings.
@SparwoodApple How about you actually grow some balls and state all the facts? That 10% of Canadian ER waiting times are for serious conditions and take from 13-24 hours to get treatment, raising your average above the US. And which two countries report the most medical discoveries? Oh yeah, the US and Australia.
I'm not for a second saying that US healthcare isn't shit, but don't even try to contend that Canada, or any other country is any better.
People do realize that the only reason we have a Health problem is because too many doctors go to the states. We simply dont gave enough doctors, and that is not the fault of socialism. It is simply because the US will always attract people looking for money away from us. There is nothing wrong with the system at all.
Wow I never thought I'd say this but I'm glad I live in a socialist Canada(Yet I can't really remember when we became socialist). At least here we take care of our less fortunate by providing free healthcare, instead of the states where they deny people insurance at their most needed times. My dad has bladder cancer and only took a couple of weeks for him to have his tumor removed,not 6 months.
Just food for thought France has the best health care in the world and it's universal!
Why blame canada when you can be like it ? >_> really free health care is better than no health care at all, I support universeal health care and I hope America gets it because even though most aren't very nice people I know people who are nothing like the sterotype that's given and I don't think people like that should have to suffer
Socialist??? When did Canada become socialist? US media overuses that word and they don't even know what it means. I saw a specialist a week after mentioning an issue to my doctor and it was not life threatening. My grandma got admited to the hospital in seconds when she said she had trouble breathing. You only wait wen the ER is full of first time rents with babies who wont sleep, or girls who did at home ear peircings.
May I remind you of the punishments given to those who Speak bad against our Canadian Soviet masters or deny them. You may end up in that Death Camp north of Montreal where 10,000 pro democracy suporters were executed. Remember Toronto Democracy rally in 2006 where the army was called in and swiftly executed all 1500 demiocracy supporters? Comrade I have no problem reporting your dissenting views to preserve our Soviet lifestyle so be carefull as you may end up in a Canadian Soviet death camp
Clearly I am exagerating, but it is amazing what the many in the US want them to believe about Canada. Some of it is just pure hatred. I have been asked in my travels by some what is it like to live under Communism in Canada. I did`t even dignify that ignorance with a response
Not meaning to overstate it but the Supreme Court of Quebec ruled that the Canadian system is not in keeping with the Canadian Charter of Rights an Freedoms...people cannot be denied the right to purchase private health care if they cannot be attended to by the Government run health care but so far no one wants to create and pass new legislation. There are only three places on earth where it is not legal to buy private health care; Cuba, North Korea and Canada. USA will probably not go that far.
No it was a ruling tha the Quebec system was not keeping with the Charter. As for insurance. - incorrect as private insurance can be purchased in Canada in the form of complementatry insurance and there are many other places that have this same style. For those who offer primary insurace, there are very strict restrictions like as only non profits can participiate and only the gov can set prices or approve them,
In Quebec the ruling states that those who experience waits so long that it could be detrmental to their health can seek private health insurance. To date only two procedures are eligible hip & knee surgery and furthermore not a single policy has been sold
Why would the courts need to be engaged if Canada's system is so great! The restrictive system you site is nothing to brag about. Though that does not seem to stop you. I must say that you are right in saying that the decision was against the Quebec system but can you tell me how the Quebec Health Care system differs from the other Provinces and Territories?
The court did not intervene - it was a challenge brought forth by some people. The Quebec health system for one is governed by a completley seperate health act than the Canadian health act. Again if our care is so disaterously poor then why are we more happy with our system. Also Canadians have some of the highest incidences of major diseases in the OECD and despite this our life span is amongst the highest - even after you factor out the high US homicide and accident rate, x
I am not certain where this Candyland is but in the real world Canadians are looking to find a way to get treatment when they want or or better yet when they need it. You appear to have no problems with it all...good for you. You are the exception. I can't imagine that an American with a good insurance plan is more satisfied than a Canadian waiting for a knee replacement or a MRI. It appears that the uninsured in the States are like the insured in Canada...both waiting.
Then why are americans so much more likely to travel abroad for health care. We Canadians are far less likely to travel for health care needs than Americans. And as I stated previously, Canadians have some of the highest incidences of major diseases in the industrialized world and yet we have one of the highest life spans. Still the fact remains a large % of us are happier with their health care...We also happen to be great critical thinkers
Can you just name a couple of places that Americans for go outside of America to get health care? I know that people from Europe and Canada will go to India for hip and knee replacements but are I think you are saying that Americans join them...or are you talking about the alternative cancer clinics in Tijuana? You don't seem to be the type to talk out of their hat so if you could, I am really in the dark and I would love to know where Americans travel to for health care. Thanks.
India, Costa rica, signapore, Mexico, East Europe, Canada for drugs and eye surgery, Panama, Thailand, Switzerland, France, Panama, Brazil...... One hostpital in thailand serviced 65,000 americans in 2006 alone, Amerimed hospitals in Mexico cater almost exclusively to Americans and offer almost entirely conventional treatments. I am curious as to why you are asking me questions that are easly answered by a few minute search on Google?
So there is a difference and that is what I am trying to point out. I see that there is a problem of people being uninsured in USA and that is something to deal with. However, the people going abroad cannot afford procedures in the US but it can be done.. But in Canada they travel abroad because they cannot wait and are not allowed to purchase. There is a difference. I know there are clinics in Canada that offer private care but they are tolerated. Not legal...there is a difference.
Very few Canadians travel abroad in relation to Americans. Delotte study estimates that as many as 6 millions will travel abroad for health care n 2006. Studies that show Canadians who have received health care, a majority received care while on Vacation as they fell ill or were in. Sorry you have a very poor and selective grasp of our health care by the fact you indicated there are no family Drs accepting new patients when in fact there are plenty.. ..
furthermore Canada has more General Practioners than the US, more nurses and catching up fast in the area of specialist. US almost ranks dead last in the OECD for number of doctors. Further evidence of your lack of knowledge of our system is that you indicate that private interest is banned.....wrong as indeed the insurance portion is indeed public however the delivery portion is mostly private and has always been that way. Most doctor offices, labs and so on are private businesses
Furtheremore Americans who travel abroad are also the insured. Remember that because you have insurance is still not a guarantee of coverage as many have found out. Also the Copays are huge when we are talking about expensive treatments like Cancer care.
Regarding the last part. It was a study that cited two other sperate studies. One that polled Americans and one that polled Canadians. These two studies were not related and conducted 2.5 - 3 years apart. In fact the same questions were not asked to both Americans and Canadians as noted on page 7 by the study author himself.
The study ignored the fact the polls likely used two different anayltical methods The study as admitted on page 10 used a regressive approach to achieve results
Google keywords statistics regression regressive problems and see the huge problems with this and why it is not well accepted given its high degree of innacuracy. It is clear the author of the study formulated the results first and built a research study around it.
I have family in Canada and spend quite a bit of time there. To understand the continuation of the Health System there and even its apparent celebration is to understand the dangers and insidiousness of liberal socialism. All the major media outlets are run by either hard left or left. All radio, all TV, all newspapers except for one (and that is only their editorial page that presents conservative views) so with that type of control it is no wonder Canadian distension is never registered.
In fact I have lived here since 1957 and I can assure you that the vast majority of Canadians would never trade their health care for a US style system in spite of what the fear mongers south of the border would like you to believe.
I agree. I am Canadian and I would never want to sit at home and think "I hope I don't get sick, because I can't afford it." Life is hard enough, staying healthy shouldn't be.
I have friends in Europe and no one is dropping dead waiting in line for medical treatment. 45 million in the U.S.A. with no health care is a crime. I Have a friend who is recovering from cancer in this country and she is now almost 300,000 dollars in debt because her insurance co. won't cover some of the treatment. It's all about money and campaign contributions people. For God's sake don't believe the Republican bullshit. Have we learned nothing during the Bush administration!?...LIES!!!!!
You know, that woman never had a brain tumor, it was a cyst that was actually non-life threatening, and was slowly going away on its own. That woman is a tool.
if health care is a human right, why not food, housing and energy? i live without the help of doctors, but i would die within a month without food, shelter, and energy in the cold months.
if we followed your logic to its conclusion, governments would be overwhelmed and collapse, followed by anarchy and then tyrrany. people who advocate socialism pave the way for the undoing of centuries of struggle.
don't be a parasite! get off your behind, get a job and pull your own weight!
If you are so opposed to socialism I am sure you would like to see our fire departments go back to being privatized. We can enjoy the great Chicago fire all over again where firefighting companies didn't put fires out in homes that did not pay their racket.
I ask you this, if we think it is important enough to stop our houses from burning down then why not pay to stop our bodies from burning down?
Food is a human right, it just doesn't cost $10,000 a day to eat.
Sure just get a job. And for those who are laid off or inbetween jobs - well you can just die or go bankrupt.
And actually 2/3 of the the bankrupties due to health cost (more than half of all bankruptcies) are from people who have insurance. Or maybe the insurance company will just deny your care. Meanwhile they make billions.
Canadian healthcare is GREAT!! This is only neoconic propaganda! You have sniffles, YOU WAIT...but you have an emergency...you're IN!! It's called TRIAGE!
Dear LacyPro: My comments below are directed at you. Sleep tight. Now that I am back in Canada, I do... and I get the treatment I need without the "Languishing in lineups" that the media talks about. This video is hilarious and hits it on the head. Canada's solution WILL NOT work in the US. Obama never said it would... but something's gotta give....
wow that was pretty bad i am a Canadian and my healthcare is top of the line and if i wanted to see my doctor tomorrow i could call right now get an appointment. FREE! Same if i went to the hospital i need to give my helatcard not my credit card. Wow you can find some people in Canada who dosen't like or had problems with the system. I'm sure we could find way more who don't like your system. Our system already has like and 85% approval rate. Whats your systems approval rate. It sure isn't that!
People seem to be neglecting one very important detail. A man in the vid said something about wait 6 months for gallbladder surgery. It isn't pleasant to wait half a year, but if this same guy were American, he'd probably wouldn't have even gotten to see the doctor due to health prices! If you've never personally dealt with a US doctor on anything beyond the common cold that results in a 100K+ in bills, you have no room to comment about how the US "health care system" is the best.
i guess this just goes to show what kind of audiences enjoy south park, right wing idiots. thank god i am a family guy fan. anyway, i have lived in this country the whole 21 years of my existence and the only canadians that i have ever heard complain about our healthcare are albertans who have been sucking americas balls for generations, (hence our nazi pm is from there). i also know many other immigrants to this country who chose to immigrate here FOR our healthcare.
conday1990 2 weeks ago
I'd rather wait to get a surgery than go bankrupt paying for it.
Troggleboggle 1 month ago
The Canadian system is very broken.Don't kid yourselves.Wait times are very long for starters.To get an MRI takes months and many Canadians just hop across the border to Buffalo and get it done right away.Not everything is covered here as well like prostate exams,eye exams,and many other procedures as well.We have had 1000's die in our hospitals in the last 5-7 years due to C-Deficile,76 alone in the hospital in my town of Burlington, Ontario.Many more 1000's have been sickened as well.
russfromdodge 1 month ago
Hello everyone. I am British person (no, not French, German or any other nationality that is in Europe). I have noticed in some of your debates on universial health care that some right-wingers love to bring up the short comings of our NHS as proof of the demonic idea that people should look after one another. So hear it is from the dog's mouth, the NHS (socialised health care) is a good thing. No one ever said you can't still go private, it's just there if you can't afford to. End of.
WolfAssad 5 months ago
Americans against socialised health should also go after the public school system then. Couldn't you argue with the same logic that private schooling is the only way to go and that the public schools shouldn't exist because they're "socialist?" Wake up, health is just as important as education and must be available to EVERYONE.
ALBGunner04 6 months ago
Just wanted to point out that none of the comments that were taken out of context were attacks on Canada. But comparisons of a failed socialized health care to Obamacare. Maybe people should actually listen to the "talking heads" before they scream over top of them.
Freakk1979 9 months ago
stop Fox TV, YOU ARE ARMS, If you Wanna Make fun of Canada, Do that to Some other Counrty's NOT US, This Is a Piece of Bull Crap!! I AM CANADIAN BY THE WAY!!
pegasusmon25 10 months ago
fox news, ugh, enough said.
70rm3n70r 10 months ago
I notice a lot of the clips are from fox "news" hmmm interesting
wiccanmoonman 11 months ago
holy shit, I agree with JDSolym. I live in Canada, and I don't have any issues with healthcare. And as for wait times for surgery, it's not that long. ER wait times aren't very long either. I remember when I thought I had broken my foot, I was in the hospital for less than two hours. X-ray and all. This is totall bull.
TheCrayonMaster 1 year ago
from the wiki page of Shona Holmes
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) interviewed neurosurgeons in Montreal and Toronto who described Holmes' claims as exaggerated; they stated that her condition was a benign cyst which was not a medical emergency.
poopeeps 1 year ago
Hospitals treat you without insurance and they will treat you for free in the us
jeremysc123 1 year ago
@jeremysc123 In an emergency, yes. Then we all pay for it. We spend more than any other country and yet are ranked #27 in health outcomes. 60% of our bankruptcies are due to medical bills.
We are the only industrialized country on the planet that leave the health of its citizens in the hands of greedy for-profit insurance companies - the real “death panels.”
I have a friend who lives in Canada, after spending 20 years here. He is much happier now. Much, much happier.
demmmmm1 1 year ago
Wow the American news is actually like that! Utterly bizarre - we have the NHS in the UK which is "socialist healthcare" for want of a better word, and we treasure it. I think the reason Fox News doesn't want this happening is because perhaps a few high-fliers will lose a lot of money.
For all Americans reading, trust me, your system is absolutely insane - if you're poor you're essentially screwed right? Healthcare isn't the place to play around with financial status - this is human life here.
kissinglips69 1 year ago
Get sick in the US you better be rich because if not you will die or go into debt forever. But when a Canadian gets sick he can be sure he will be taken care despite his\her wealth or social status. Capitalism has no place in healthcare. Greed leaves way to many in need.
JimmyFeign 1 year ago
I would NEVER trade my Canadian healthcare for the healthcare south of the border.
ChrisPaddlefoot 1 year ago
1. People should take better care of themselves. For all you 'self-reliance' rightwingers; if you're 100lbs overweight and need surgery and can't get it- perhaps you shouldn't get it- it's your own fault that you are fat.
2. This has nothing to do with quality- and everything to do with profit. If you really don't want government run health care on ideological grounds please refuse any assistance like medicare and medicaid.
You of course, because your hypocrites.
iannovick 1 year ago
usual bullshit. this is all lies
CrazyCanuck129 1 year ago
Fox news the network that said comparing Bush to Hitler was wrong yet today they compare Obama and other to Hitler in a daily basics....
Se7enBeatleofDoom 1 year ago
I like how it's all from Fox News.
Chigokai1080 1 year ago
end game point. No one in Canada has died because they couldn't afford health care.
MysticKnight38 1 year ago
@MysticKnight38 They just die waiting
jethrodassam 1 year ago
@jethrodassam guess what,you are wrong..... I know, I know its hard for you to understand.
MysticKnight38 1 year ago
@MysticKnight38 Wrong about what?
jethrodassam 1 year ago
@jethrodassam people dieing wile waiting. I also know people that died in the US that died because they couldn't afford treatment.
MysticKnight38 1 year ago
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@MysticKnight38 You know them? Who are they?
jethrodassam 1 year ago
WTF? Canadian Healthcare "appalling"?! You have no clue you nitwits! My niece got her heart surgery (for atrial septal defect) the next day of diagnosis! It wasn't immediately life threatening that's why it took a day.
OMG. I can't believe how ignorant you americans are!!! Canada is just right above you and you know nothing!!! *facepalm*
But Fox News is really good at black propaganda, tip of my hat to Fox news. Kinda reminds me of the Third Reich Propaganda Machine.
friendlyfire925 1 year ago 5
@friendlyfire925 Great comment, It's hard to believe so many Americans swallow the propaganda from Faux Noos and the crazy Right Wing.
I was born in the UK 1949 1 year after the establishment of the National Health Service, I benefited greatly from that system as did many millions who prior to 1948 had zero healthcare.
The argument pushed in the US all about taxes, well from Reagan thru to Bush jnr those tax cuts went to the top 1% hardly a group in need!
US healthcare = costly & inefficient .
slotter127 1 year ago
@friendlyfire925 And it's also amusing how Canadians think they know all about our health care too.
jethrodassam 1 year ago
These countries are bullshit. You want to live in the United Kingdom.
132jellytime 1 year ago
my friend broke his hand and the doctors said instead of a cast he had to but his hand up his own asswhole after waiting for 3 years. I am a canadian citizen
lovestospooge314 1 year ago
CANADAS HEALTH CARE OWNS THE US HEALTH CARE PLAN BY A LANDSLIDE BUT I GUESS U GE IT FREE IF U GET PRETTY HEFTY TAXES
dojOdRiFTeR 1 year ago
the conservative republicans in this video are just using propoganda to scare the american citizens against a "socialist" idea. i live in canada, and everything they say in this video is BULLSHIT.
you can't trust the media anymore, especially Fox, which by the way, is the news channel used for a majority of the clips found in this video
ema93 1 year ago 3
@ema93 True, you can't trust Fox News, but you can trust The New York Times.
jethrodassam 1 year ago
i wish i lived in canada
TheGreghingst 1 year ago
glenn beck iz dumb......
gregaguilar01 1 year ago
It's funny how all these views are from Americans, and not Canadians who actually use the free healthcare. There was the one Canadian lady, but every system has its flaws, that's to be expected. They should get the whole story before they turn the blame on us.
Canuckchick52 1 year ago
@Canuckchick52 The exact same thing applies to Canada as well. Most Canadians are nice people, but also hypocrites.
jethrodassam 1 year ago
Canada just needs more doctors. More doctors = problem solved.
DarthSchwartz 1 year ago
I lived in Canada for 6 years straight. And, to this day, I spend up to about 3 or 4 months a year there, depending on the the year. I have dual citizenship. I have a good deal of experience with the Canadian health-care system. It's far from perfect - it has its share of problems. There's no doubt about it. Would I trade our health-care system for it? In a second! ...unless I was uber-rich. Then, I might think twice.
BloatedSensations 1 year ago
@BloatedSensations You don't need to be rich. That's a ridiculous statement.
jethrodassam 1 year ago
@jethrodassam You don't think that in the U.S., it's possible to buy a better level of health care if you have money??? Are you serious???
BloatedSensations 1 year ago
@BloatedSensations The same goes for you Canadians. Are you serious?
jethrodassam 1 year ago
wow....what incredible bullshit......canada has great health care.....no appointment and you get seen immediately. who knows where they get the "several months" statistic.....i worked in a hospital in kansas city for two years and we had several people die while waiting from bleeding out or blunt force trauma..simple broken bones ended in amputation because they had to get in line behind the insured......if there's a finger to point, its at the american health care system.
sethmusic 1 year ago
@billytinkler no i think your the fucking idiot and obviously not canadian because if you were then you would have realized that I was being sarcastic in part and saying that if we canadians found our health care system so bad we wouldn't have named tommy douglas as the greatest canadian. If you are not aware tommy douglas can be credited with creating universal health care in canada.
iwannafrankyou 1 year ago
Seriously? Can anyone actually stick up for the HCR that was legislated? ( Any U.S. Citizen that respects the U.S. Constitution as ' The Law of the Land ' and is not a communist or far leftist or authoritarian ... or SEIU, AFL-CIO, Huffington Post and all that hold their ideology... Obama, you can respond. ) ;)
parish32 1 year ago
...it fox news people only watch it for Family guy and the simpsoms there all stupid ..i watch it and i see crap like this all the time its no surprise i wan't to join the talban just to kill all fox emploies whos with me
KvSfan24 1 year ago
Lol, stupid news channels....they will say anything to get attention! this is totaly false, some cases you do have to wait for certain health treatment but you have to wait in the US and France and just about anywhere els sometimes.
Rushworshiper92 1 year ago
I'm American and had surgery in Canada.
I didn't pay a dime and got right in for surgery.
They do have something called priority so if you actually need immediate care, you get right in.
This is bullshit.
iambatman145 1 year ago 10
Yet we Canadians named Tommy Douglas as the greatest Canadian!
iwannafrankyou 1 year ago
@iwannafrankyou you're a fucking idiot, the health system in canada is, by EVERY single scale of measurement, far better than that of the US. this is just retarded conservative propaganda and, if you listen, not at ALL based on actual facts or evidence. these people support private health care because it makes them MONEY, and that is the ONLY reason.
billytinkler 1 year ago
I'm from the UK and I love how the right wing Americans babble on about ours and Canada's healthcare system when in the US, if a patient doesn't have insurance they'd be thrown out on the street and left to die. NICE ONE!
SteveO11990 1 year ago
Wel....All i know is...That britains healthcare sucks ass aswell haha
For example....If your a goddam dirty hippie who takes drugs and is a a homeless piece of crap but o your ill...FREE HEALTHCARE...FREE EVERYTHING...But if you work your nutsacks off...you gota pay like fuck...soo it sucks here 2 haha
F1sLkeSexYStpIfULvIt 1 year ago
They made a comment of "I had to wait months for gall bladder surgery." And if true then that is sad. But in the U.S. you wouldn't get it at all unless your job let you. Wait a few months and maybe die? Or not get it at all and definitely die? What do you think sounds best?
pianorisk 1 year ago
I tought Canedian people really had floppy heads en little eyes
SuperDaryl13 1 year ago
@SuperDaryl13 lol me to XD
mrdoom666 1 year ago
I love our Canadian healthcare, I couldnt be happier. I couldnt believe how shitty health in the states was when i got sick there while visiting. i was appalled.
kylie9022 1 year ago
Few Americans consider Canada to be a real country.
MrJJackYT 1 year ago
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frodoondabass 1 year ago
@frodoondabass
I am not interested in your desire to suck on penis, foreigner.
MrJJackYT 1 year ago
Classic fear mongering from old Beck there. Well at least he's got over gays blacks and jews.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
I can't believe someone wrote "Health Care is a service,...not a human right" ... INCREDIBLE!!!
geminisfl 1 year ago
This is total bullshit. I waited only 4 days for an mri when I needed one and if I need to see a specialist I can see one within 1 1/2 to 2 weeks after the appiontment is made. What fox news does is take all of the worst case scenarios and passes them off as an everyday circumstances in Canada. Don't believe an American point of view about Canada because they're all based on ignorance
msto4121 2 years ago
In America we wait 4....minutes for a MRI and less than 24 hours to see a specialist.
If the Canadian HC is so great, why so many canadians come to US for treatments?
NikoNYC1974 1 year ago
@NikoNYC1974 because they don't some people may go see a specialist in the States, but some Americans may come to say "Sick Kids Hospital" in Canada for treatment
Asscat55 1 year ago
@NikoNYC1974 there's a long waiting line for canadian healthcare... because there's lot of people using medical equipment... because it's free!!!! dumbass.
jim0watkins 1 year ago
fox news sucks
cdnparatrooper 2 years ago
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Health Care is a service,...not a human right. If you can't pay for health care how is that the PEOPLE'S problem?
You welfare fans on the left are indeed nuts.
I can only relax knowing that the Democrats will be out of Washington for at least a decade whether they pass it or not.
The health care reform will raise health care costs. No way around it and no way to debunk it regardless of how you crunch the numbers.
Poor people will benefit, ofcourse. But not the ones paying for it.
knowsalot2002 2 years ago
knowsalot2002.. lemme guess u love to watch fox news and gain info from there... cuz then everything you know is a lie... Fox always smears all the info to turn their way.. you will never see anything against them...
this is why you see them lie so often and get called out on it.. Fox is ridiculous and making the USA look bad
skinnydiprog3r 1 year ago
@knowsalot2002
Oh yes! I'm really appalled at the fact that if I get cancer, I won't have to pay 20,000$ to get treatment. Instead, I pay up a very small fee, just like every other Canadian, as part of my taxes once a year. Yup, you guys in the US have it good: pay or die... *rolls eyes*.
And having a good health IS A HUMAN RIGHT.
You just don't know what you're talking about, "knowsalot".
JohnMoonlord 1 year ago
South Park was making fun of people who blame others
ConnDevi88 2 years ago 3
I actually live in Canada. This is all bullshit.
JDSolyom 2 years ago 43
@JDSolyom
I bet. You know greed when you see it, and this propaganda is founded on it....
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tolesyyidumu 2 years ago
LOLOL brilliant. Go phuck yourselves GOP!
shawakwak 2 years ago
you're an idiot. first off the point the conservatives are making is not blame canada, but that canada is a socilaized healthcare just like brittian and it does not work. the point is how can you expect our system to be any different. don't take people of context and not work with facts, when you dont do that it makes you look uniformed.
dudeman972 2 years ago
@dudeman972
I actually live in Canada.
I actually had to use the healthcare system several times.
I didn't pay a dime for it.
That's the point.
And it DOES work.
What was that about looking "uninformed"?...
JohnMoonlord 1 year ago
How can your need become some other person's obligation? A person decides to become a doctor through their own effort and finances and when they graduate you are waiting for them to get set up so they can look after you. Why don't we do that with plumbers and mechanics? We need them too so the government sets the rate and you provide the projects. If they like it or not. Sounds like a plan. Or do you just want to reserve this indenture to medical professionals?
greatrighthope 2 years ago
You don't need a car repair or toilet plunging as badly as you need to keep yourself in good health. That's a ridiculous comparison and it only weakens your argument.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
I am not talking about a plugged toilet. If you own a home and have a water main break you have no waterd the water is flooding your basement you really need a plumber. If you make a living with your vehicle and it breaks down then what do you do...how bad do you need a mechanic .we all have priorities. If health is so important we need to grow up and pay for it and save for it. A plumber for plunging a toilet? When do you go to the doctor? My argument is fine. Yours on the other hand...
greatrighthope 2 years ago
No, a car and plumbing are not basic survival needs. There are other ways to travel and there are other ways to get water. If you don't have a car and you lose your job, it doesn't kill you. If you can't see a doctor and you have a serious health problem, it DOES kill you.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
@greatrighthope Because mechanics and plumbers work on objects, not people. And the doctors who got through on their own efforts still get paid for it. I'm a Canadian and I actually LIVE this situation. I also have a friend native of the US of A that's been living here for the past couple of years, and the fact that people in the US are being so fearful and hateful of the reform proposed is just beyond her understanding. She's like "Go for it, you morons!!", and she's NOT a left-winger.
JohnMoonlord 1 year ago
Real Canadians would not make up a statement like yours. Canadians by and large have to get insurance just to enter into America in fear they might get hurt in America and go bankrupt.
First you say "Why are YOU all" inferring that "they"...Canadians are coming to America...and then you say "I lived in Alberta" as if you are a Canadian who benefited from the healthcare system. Straighten up your story before commenting.What statistics are there to prove Canadians enter America for treatment
seattle8686 2 years ago
I've never broken a bone in my body. I dislocated my right elbow and had nerve damage in my left arm recently and I was covered with my private insurance. If the public option is passed, I will still use the same health care. I won't cross over to a government run health-care system because what I have already works. Having a government run health-care plan won't bankrupt insurance companies. I don't care if you're considered a lazy bum. You deserve full medical treatment.
xtlhogciao 2 years ago
I don't care who you are. If you're sick, and you have a pre-existing cough problem, you shouldn't be allowed to be dropped because it's bad for United Healthcare's business.The public option won't bankrupt sht. It'll just keep them in check.
xtlhogciao 2 years ago
Canada became a socialist country under Pierre Trudeau.
I have family in Canada and it is not as bad as some of the commentators say it is - it is much worse.
The Doctors are good when you can find one and they will allow operating time. Some of the best surgeons in the world are only allowed one day of OR time a week. The problem isn't just the health care you can get but it is the fact that it is illegal to purchase private health care or health care insurance. That is the problem. Say no
greatrighthope 2 years ago
I live in Victoria BC and it is not worse. We DO NOT have socialized medicine. Socialized medicine means that doctors are government trained and drugs and equipment are government issued. We have privatized healthcare in some sectors (orthotics, cancer treatment, etc.) Canada wants a little more privatized business to keep the government in check but it is NOT socialized medicine. Our healthcare system is like America's Medicare system. 65 and over are automatically in. Ours is for everyone.
seattle8686 2 years ago
Your definition of Socialized medicine is your own. A reasonable person would agree that a system with 99 percent of all procedures and doctor consultations run through the government is a socialized medicine. Dentistry is private in Canada. Medicine is public. It is against the law to pay for procedures that are offered by the government run health. True, it's not completely socialized because u still have to pay for it every month unless u are on welfare. Nice, the worst of both worlds!
greatrighthope 2 years ago
Where do you find your information? It is not illegal to purchase private health care or insurance in Canada. Check your facts.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
The government is not pursuing the private clinics. However, in Quebec a recent Quebec Supreme Court decision determined that it is illegal to prevent Quebecers from purchasing their own insurance but as of yet their have been no parliamentary bill to deal with this issue. IN CANADA IT IS NOT LEGAL TO GET PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE OR TO PAY FOR PROCEDURES. WHAT DO YOU THINK ALL THOSE HYSTERICAL UNION/NDP PROTESTS ARE ABOUT WHEN EVER THE SUBJECT OF PRIVATE HEALTH CARE COMES UP??? Read a paper.
greatrighthope 2 years ago
Health insurance is not the same as health care. I live in Canada and I have Blue Cross to cover prescriptions, vision, dental and things that AREN'T covered by our health care system. It varies from province to province. For example, in Saskatchewan, most medical procedures, tests and surgeries are 100% free, but in BC, you have to pay for some things. Maybe you should read a BOOK since papers are full of slanted articles arguing for political agendas.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
nothing is free dude .
Camikaze999 2 years ago
Oh very insightful.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
@greatrighthope
Then I've been illegal for quite some time now... and so have most of the people I know.
Read the RIGHT papers.
JohnMoonlord 1 year ago
And actually Tommy Douglas is responsible for our universal healthcare. Started in Saskatchewan, and then was implemented in the entire country in the 1960s.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
This just in! jacquiemt99 is master of the obvious...film at 11:00! I really can't match your command of the facts and history associated to this story. You are one of Canada's great minds....look forward to seeing you on the cover of Maclean's. Just to be clear when was the foundation of the Universal Health Care in question in anything I have written? Just trying to figure out why you pulled that magic bullet out of your holster right now.
greatrighthope 2 years ago
Just attempting to discrediting you in the hopes of showing what little understanding of the Canadian healthcare system you truly have.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
@greatrighthope You are completely incorrect. BC(perhaps others) has private clinics, and you are ALLOWED to pay to use it for certain surgeries.AND I have extended medical insurance through Blue Cross as well. As for finding a doctor there are 4 drop in medical clinics within 5 blocks of my home which I can use or I can go to my family doctor. America has worse problems when it comes to medical care. Stop the fear mongering. Ive lived in both countries and Canada has a better system right now.
josava1 1 year ago
@josava1 I lived in both counties also, and I totally disagree with you.
jethrodassam 1 year ago
@jethrodassam And why is that?
josava1 1 year ago
@josava1 Have not looked at my inbox lately so just to set the record straight; Each one of the private medical services you have pointed out are not legal. They are not permitted. They are tolerated. They can be shut down at any time. They are being used by the government to relieve the load on the public system and also are beneficial for ICBC and Worksafe BC cases. Blue Cross is for extended insurance. that means you can get a private room and a TV and phone if you stay in the hospital.
greatrighthope 1 year ago
@greatrighthope Thats setting the record straight?? Right. You say these clinics are illegal but tolerated - Who runs ICBC and Worksafe BC? The Gov't. What are they gonna do arrest and charge themselves and shut down something they are okay with? They arent going anywhere because this systems works for us. Where do you get off claiming extended medical ONLY entitles me to a private room with tv? How about EVEN cheaper meds, eye care, cheaper dental work, massage therapy, chiro, etc. Check mate
josava1 1 year ago
@josava1 you might get "cheaper meds, eye care, cheaper dental work, massage therapy, chiro, etc" but you cannot get any medical treatment that would normally be provided by BC Medicare. I have tried to explain the difference on the "private" clinics but you are either not capable of understanding or do not wish to try to comprehend my very straight forward point so to that effect by virtue of either your stubbornness or ignorance you can claim your "Check mate" Good for you. I guess.
greatrighthope 1 year ago
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Smoke0me0a0kipper 2 years ago
my 90 year old great grandma CANT get proper help in BC because shes too old
mbenson2790 2 years ago
There is no way that's true. My grandmother had perfectly good healthcare up until she died in her sleep at age 88.
Lies and fact fabrication don't further your point. You're polluting the waters of debate with bullshit and making everyone scared and confused.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
im not lieing or trying to pursuade you into thinking anything against healthcare, because in theory its a good idea. All im sayin is its not perfect. My grandmother has to go south to seatle for her medical needs because they dont treat you (in canada) when you reach a certain age-they just make you feel "comfortable"(ready to die). they have to give treatment priority to the younger patients due to the fact that most canadian doctors left to come to the US and earn more money. no lieing here
mbenson2790 2 years ago
I lived in Canad for 46 years. I have family in 6 of the 10 provinces. My Mother in Manitoba cannot find a family doctor. She's not in Churchhill but in Winnipeg. My parents lost their doctor, he could no longer handle the workload the government mandated for him. They're in a city of 650,000, 77 and 74 now reduced to going to walk in clinics. Just recently she was told she was too old for stress test. Would you like some more examples of my personal experience?
greatrighthope 2 years ago
There are offices in Winnepeg taking on new patients and this is noted online. I am not sure exaclty what the dr per 1000 number is in manitonba, but is better than in Ontario. In Toronto in one section of one heath region there are over 80 Dr's taking on new patients..
SparwoodApple 2 years ago 2
I took my daughter to a hospital there. Sunday afternoon for a badly infected toe the wait was 8 - 12 hours. We were told that there were 42 people in line before us and there was only one doctor on staff. My son tore his ligaments and broke his leg jumping for a rebound he got a cast right away but had to wait for 18 months for the surgery to repair his ligaments by the time he got his surgery he had ruined his cartilage. My sister waiting 6 months with a softball sized tumor in her stomach
greatrighthope 2 years ago
Press Ganey confirmed that the average ER wait in US hospitals is around 240 minutes. A similiar study of Canadian hospitals found that 90% of Canadian ER patients waited this time or lower. Furthermore since around 2006, Canada has overtaken the US in number of General Practioners....meaning we have more per 1000 and we have long had more nurses per 1000. US actually ranks near the bottom of industrialized nations for Doctors...no where close to the top
SparwoodApple 2 years ago 13
For medical procedures the US leads the world. I am certain there must be more around the numbers but I have experienced both and can only say that your statistics do not match my experience in any way. However, my argument is only anecdotal so I must deffer. I just wonder what the other 10% experienced in Canada and if those numbers where factored into the stats would Canada's numbers be worse? Just an odd way to present the findings.
greatrighthope 2 years ago
@greatrighthope They do match mine.
JohnMoonlord 1 year ago
@SparwoodApple How about you actually grow some balls and state all the facts? That 10% of Canadian ER waiting times are for serious conditions and take from 13-24 hours to get treatment, raising your average above the US. And which two countries report the most medical discoveries? Oh yeah, the US and Australia.
I'm not for a second saying that US healthcare isn't shit, but don't even try to contend that Canada, or any other country is any better.
rgrmatt69 11 months ago
People do realize that the only reason we have a Health problem is because too many doctors go to the states. We simply dont gave enough doctors, and that is not the fault of socialism. It is simply because the US will always attract people looking for money away from us. There is nothing wrong with the system at all.
PS3Oilerfan83 2 years ago
thats not because of socialism?!? whats it because of then???????
mbenson2790 2 years ago
Wow I never thought I'd say this but I'm glad I live in a socialist Canada(Yet I can't really remember when we became socialist). At least here we take care of our less fortunate by providing free healthcare, instead of the states where they deny people insurance at their most needed times. My dad has bladder cancer and only took a couple of weeks for him to have his tumor removed,not 6 months.
Just food for thought France has the best health care in the world and it's universal!
simminie19 2 years ago
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mbenson2790 2 years ago
Why blame canada when you can be like it ? >_> really free health care is better than no health care at all, I support universeal health care and I hope America gets it because even though most aren't very nice people I know people who are nothing like the sterotype that's given and I don't think people like that should have to suffer
kaikou13 2 years ago 3
Socialist??? When did Canada become socialist? US media overuses that word and they don't even know what it means. I saw a specialist a week after mentioning an issue to my doctor and it was not life threatening. My grandma got admited to the hospital in seconds when she said she had trouble breathing. You only wait wen the ER is full of first time rents with babies who wont sleep, or girls who did at home ear peircings.
SQRL13 2 years ago
May I remind you of the punishments given to those who Speak bad against our Canadian Soviet masters or deny them. You may end up in that Death Camp north of Montreal where 10,000 pro democracy suporters were executed. Remember Toronto Democracy rally in 2006 where the army was called in and swiftly executed all 1500 demiocracy supporters? Comrade I have no problem reporting your dissenting views to preserve our Soviet lifestyle so be carefull as you may end up in a Canadian Soviet death camp
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Clearly I am exagerating, but it is amazing what the many in the US want them to believe about Canada. Some of it is just pure hatred. I have been asked in my travels by some what is it like to live under Communism in Canada. I did`t even dignify that ignorance with a response
SparwoodApple 2 years ago 2
Not meaning to overstate it but the Supreme Court of Quebec ruled that the Canadian system is not in keeping with the Canadian Charter of Rights an Freedoms...people cannot be denied the right to purchase private health care if they cannot be attended to by the Government run health care but so far no one wants to create and pass new legislation. There are only three places on earth where it is not legal to buy private health care; Cuba, North Korea and Canada. USA will probably not go that far.
greatrighthope 2 years ago
No it was a ruling tha the Quebec system was not keeping with the Charter. As for insurance. - incorrect as private insurance can be purchased in Canada in the form of complementatry insurance and there are many other places that have this same style. For those who offer primary insurace, there are very strict restrictions like as only non profits can participiate and only the gov can set prices or approve them,
SparwoodApple 2 years ago 2
In Quebec the ruling states that those who experience waits so long that it could be detrmental to their health can seek private health insurance. To date only two procedures are eligible hip & knee surgery and furthermore not a single policy has been sold
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Why would the courts need to be engaged if Canada's system is so great! The restrictive system you site is nothing to brag about. Though that does not seem to stop you. I must say that you are right in saying that the decision was against the Quebec system but can you tell me how the Quebec Health Care system differs from the other Provinces and Territories?
greatrighthope 2 years ago
The court did not intervene - it was a challenge brought forth by some people. The Quebec health system for one is governed by a completley seperate health act than the Canadian health act. Again if our care is so disaterously poor then why are we more happy with our system. Also Canadians have some of the highest incidences of major diseases in the OECD and despite this our life span is amongst the highest - even after you factor out the high US homicide and accident rate, x
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Are we happier?
greatrighthope 2 years ago
I am not certain where this Candyland is but in the real world Canadians are looking to find a way to get treatment when they want or or better yet when they need it. You appear to have no problems with it all...good for you. You are the exception. I can't imagine that an American with a good insurance plan is more satisfied than a Canadian waiting for a knee replacement or a MRI. It appears that the uninsured in the States are like the insured in Canada...both waiting.
greatrighthope 2 years ago
Then why are americans so much more likely to travel abroad for health care. We Canadians are far less likely to travel for health care needs than Americans. And as I stated previously, Canadians have some of the highest incidences of major diseases in the industrialized world and yet we have one of the highest life spans. Still the fact remains a large % of us are happier with their health care...We also happen to be great critical thinkers
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
I really have no idea what procedures Americans would have to travel to receive and where would they go? India?
greatrighthope 2 years ago
There are various places as for the most popular....not entirely sure
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Can you just name a couple of places that Americans for go outside of America to get health care? I know that people from Europe and Canada will go to India for hip and knee replacements but are I think you are saying that Americans join them...or are you talking about the alternative cancer clinics in Tijuana? You don't seem to be the type to talk out of their hat so if you could, I am really in the dark and I would love to know where Americans travel to for health care. Thanks.
greatrighthope 2 years ago
India, Costa rica, signapore, Mexico, East Europe, Canada for drugs and eye surgery, Panama, Thailand, Switzerland, France, Panama, Brazil...... One hostpital in thailand serviced 65,000 americans in 2006 alone, Amerimed hospitals in Mexico cater almost exclusively to Americans and offer almost entirely conventional treatments. I am curious as to why you are asking me questions that are easly answered by a few minute search on Google?
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
So there is a difference and that is what I am trying to point out. I see that there is a problem of people being uninsured in USA and that is something to deal with. However, the people going abroad cannot afford procedures in the US but it can be done.. But in Canada they travel abroad because they cannot wait and are not allowed to purchase. There is a difference. I know there are clinics in Canada that offer private care but they are tolerated. Not legal...there is a difference.
greatrighthope 2 years ago
Very few Canadians travel abroad in relation to Americans. Delotte study estimates that as many as 6 millions will travel abroad for health care n 2006. Studies that show Canadians who have received health care, a majority received care while on Vacation as they fell ill or were in. Sorry you have a very poor and selective grasp of our health care by the fact you indicated there are no family Drs accepting new patients when in fact there are plenty.. ..
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
furthermore Canada has more General Practioners than the US, more nurses and catching up fast in the area of specialist. US almost ranks dead last in the OECD for number of doctors. Further evidence of your lack of knowledge of our system is that you indicate that private interest is banned.....wrong as indeed the insurance portion is indeed public however the delivery portion is mostly private and has always been that way. Most doctor offices, labs and so on are private businesses
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Furtheremore Americans who travel abroad are also the insured. Remember that because you have insurance is still not a guarantee of coverage as many have found out. Also the Copays are huge when we are talking about expensive treatments like Cancer care.
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Regarding the last part. It was a study that cited two other sperate studies. One that polled Americans and one that polled Canadians. These two studies were not related and conducted 2.5 - 3 years apart. In fact the same questions were not asked to both Americans and Canadians as noted on page 7 by the study author himself.
The study ignored the fact the polls likely used two different anayltical methods The study as admitted on page 10 used a regressive approach to achieve results
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Google keywords statistics regression regressive problems and see the huge problems with this and why it is not well accepted given its high degree of innacuracy. It is clear the author of the study formulated the results first and built a research study around it.
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
e how our system is vastly superior and more stable than the American economic system.
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Ok...you seem to be on a roll. Are you going to bring up the hockey thing next?
greatrighthope 2 years ago
holy shit that chick at 0:32 is hot
andrewburton12345678 2 years ago
You would think that if the system is so bad in Canada the voters there would have gotten rid of it by now.
Instead of that in a recent poll they voted Tommy Douglas, the man who led the fight for universal health care as their greatest Canadian.
robbell 2 years ago 4
I have family in Canada and spend quite a bit of time there. To understand the continuation of the Health System there and even its apparent celebration is to understand the dangers and insidiousness of liberal socialism. All the major media outlets are run by either hard left or left. All radio, all TV, all newspapers except for one (and that is only their editorial page that presents conservative views) so with that type of control it is no wonder Canadian distension is never registered.
greatrighthope 2 years ago
I spend quite a bit of time in Canada as well.
In fact I have lived here since 1957 and I can assure you that the vast majority of Canadians would never trade their health care for a US style system in spite of what the fear mongers south of the border would like you to believe.
robbell 2 years ago
I agree. I am Canadian and I would never want to sit at home and think "I hope I don't get sick, because I can't afford it." Life is hard enough, staying healthy shouldn't be.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
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greatrighthope 2 years ago
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robbell 2 years ago
Examples please. I live in Canada and find our news sources to have far less bias than anything that passes for "news" in the USA.
jacquiemt99 2 years ago
@greatrighthope
Then why do I read left opinion here and right comment there on the same topics in the various papers we have?
On the other hand, why does Fox news ALWAYS lean the same way, from what I've seen so far?
Media control is indeed a very deep problem... but I don't think we're the ones stuck with it...
JohnMoonlord 1 year ago
I have friends in Europe and no one is dropping dead waiting in line for medical treatment. 45 million in the U.S.A. with no health care is a crime. I Have a friend who is recovering from cancer in this country and she is now almost 300,000 dollars in debt because her insurance co. won't cover some of the treatment. It's all about money and campaign contributions people. For God's sake don't believe the Republican bullshit. Have we learned nothing during the Bush administration!?...LIES!!!!!
steviegnj 2 years ago 2
You know, that woman never had a brain tumor, it was a cyst that was actually non-life threatening, and was slowly going away on its own. That woman is a tool.
jellofuel 2 years ago 2
Spell it out America, healthcare is a human R-I-G-H-T.
killerbandit 2 years ago
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vincentgargiulo 2 years ago
if health care is a human right, why not food, housing and energy? i live without the help of doctors, but i would die within a month without food, shelter, and energy in the cold months.
if we followed your logic to its conclusion, governments would be overwhelmed and collapse, followed by anarchy and then tyrrany. people who advocate socialism pave the way for the undoing of centuries of struggle.
don't be a parasite! get off your behind, get a job and pull your own weight!
ellwyn 2 years ago
If you are so opposed to socialism I am sure you would like to see our fire departments go back to being privatized. We can enjoy the great Chicago fire all over again where firefighting companies didn't put fires out in homes that did not pay their racket.
I ask you this, if we think it is important enough to stop our houses from burning down then why not pay to stop our bodies from burning down?
Food is a human right, it just doesn't cost $10,000 a day to eat.
I have 2 jobs thank you.
killerbandit 2 years ago
Sure just get a job. And for those who are laid off or inbetween jobs - well you can just die or go bankrupt.
And actually 2/3 of the the bankrupties due to health cost (more than half of all bankruptcies) are from people who have insurance. Or maybe the insurance company will just deny your care. Meanwhile they make billions.
orange343434 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Get a job. Stop always blaming others for you not being able to afford it.
A.) A lot of jobs have you covered with Health Care
B.) Healthcare is not a shit load of money. You guys are making it to be like 100,000$ a year.
If you don't like it, Canada is to the north, and Mexico is to the south. No one is stopping you.
LacyPro 2 years ago
Canadian healthcare is GREAT!! This is only neoconic propaganda! You have sniffles, YOU WAIT...but you have an emergency...you're IN!! It's called TRIAGE!
Froggie2121 2 years ago 12
Dear LacyPro: My comments below are directed at you. Sleep tight. Now that I am back in Canada, I do... and I get the treatment I need without the "Languishing in lineups" that the media talks about. This video is hilarious and hits it on the head. Canada's solution WILL NOT work in the US. Obama never said it would... but something's gotta give....
Casuarinaman 2 years ago
wow that was pretty bad i am a Canadian and my healthcare is top of the line and if i wanted to see my doctor tomorrow i could call right now get an appointment. FREE! Same if i went to the hospital i need to give my helatcard not my credit card. Wow you can find some people in Canada who dosen't like or had problems with the system. I'm sure we could find way more who don't like your system. Our system already has like and 85% approval rate. Whats your systems approval rate. It sure isn't that!
durhamndp 2 years ago
President Obama has said ( many times) that he does NOT favor the Canadian or UK model. He says it over and over and over and over...i kid you not.
But the opposition keeps bringing up Canada and the UK until the gullible public thinks thats what is on the table.
Its called a straw-man argument.. to argue against something that was never proposed. But its effective...so the opposition uses it.
givethemahand 2 years ago
@givethemahand That's an interesting fact to point out. Thanks!
JohnMoonlord 1 year ago
People seem to be neglecting one very important detail. A man in the vid said something about wait 6 months for gallbladder surgery. It isn't pleasant to wait half a year, but if this same guy were American, he'd probably wouldn't have even gotten to see the doctor due to health prices! If you've never personally dealt with a US doctor on anything beyond the common cold that results in a 100K+ in bills, you have no room to comment about how the US "health care system" is the best.
KaraniKun 2 years ago