Dover Death Trap HIGHDRAULIC Elevator at the Dobie Mall Parking Garage.

[MrDiemme]

Why you have defined it Death trap? it all seems ok

[CaptainElevator42189]

Well, it's very loud and bumpy.

[twotailedavenger]

When I went to Florida on vacation in 2004, the motel I stayed at had a hydraulic elevator in it. It felt like the pump motor was dying, because it felt way too slow. It was an Otis, I believe. The doors screeched something awful when they opened and closed due to the immense rust buildup. It sounded like this elevator's doors, only continuous and much, much louder.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Wow, that elevator must have seen better days, and I think it needs to be modernized badly.

[twotailedavenger]

@CaptainElevator42189

They've demolished the building since then.

[CaptainElevator42189]

I'm not surprised.

[twotailedavenger]

@CaptainElevator42189

I checked the state building codes while I was there and discovered that the elevator alone violated several safety measures. Plus, the rooms were chock full of mold and other nastiness. The beds were broken. The mold was probably caused from seawater vapor in the air. The carpet turned our socks black, the a/c was clogged, and the shower was rank. So I'm not surprised they tore the place down.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Wow, that sounded like a nightmare from a horror movie. That building was sick.

[twotailedavenger]

@CaptainElevator42189

We managed to get a better looking room. Cleaner with better maintenance too. Elevator still sucked.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Wow, that's really hideous indeed.

[twotailedavenger]

@CaptainElevator42189

Upon closer investigation, the Travelodge Ft. Lauderdale has been discovered to still exist, but equipped with the same squeaky elevator. Speaking of which, it is actually a 1970's Dover.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Wow, that is amazing, and if you come across it, maybe you can film it, so everyone can see what it looks like.

[twotailedavenger]

@CaptainElevator42189

I doubt I'll ever go back there. And if I do, it will probably be modernized by then. Sorry...

[CaptainElevator42189]

Okay, thanks.

[TheZekethunder]

Thyssenkrupp needs to keep their paws off Dover elevators. Only if the elevator is terrible, thats ok.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, but this elevator I do think is in terrible condition. However, I do think they could use another company to replace the elevator. Maybe Otis Gen2 or Kone EcoSpace.

[CaptainElevator42189]

No, and if this elevator was modernized, I would'nt feel sorry for this one being taken down.

[TheZekethunder]

This doesn't look like a very nice elevator!

[CaptainElevator42189]

I guess so.

[Kargaroc286]

Dover elevators make the most noise and humming?

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, I agree that modernization is not good, unless the elevator doesn't work right.

[suzzex]

UGH! ThyssenKrupp needs to keep their paws off of those Dovers!!! ONLY if the elevator is absolutely sick, then it's OK.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, I liked the original motor, but they could have upgraded to a stainless steel cab, to make it nicer and more vandal resistant.

[pnwelevator]

They could of kept the original motor, and fix the bulbs on the indicator, but it has a nice cab.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Indeed it is.

[elevatorsonly]

HIGHdraulic!

[CaptainElevator42189]

Interesting, but this is an inground hydraulic with Epco CircleLine fixtures. Also, Hissen12 just recorded an inground hydraulic elevator with a whopping 9 floors!

[suzzex]

Wow! I sure would like to see that!

[suzzex]

Those look like Dover/ Burlington fixtures. Amazing how ThyssenKrupp screwed up another elevator!

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, this is a HIGHdraulic elevator, and on the 13 floor elevator, those must have been the largest holeless pistons I've ever seen.

[cubsrule2040]

i'd call this HIGHdraulic because t serves six floors

[CaptainElevator42189]

That is the noise of the doors closing.

[thyssenelevator97]

Hmmm i trying to figure out what that noise was at 0:17 , 0:47 , and 1:12?

[thyssenelevator97]

I meant 0:16.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Thanks.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Holeless elevators have above ground cylinders, which makes it more affordable and versatile to install, but it only goes to a maximum of 3-4 floors. They also have smoother rides.

[georgef551]

So what about the 13-story one both Dieselducy and Musicfreakcc recorded? The pistons were holeless, but huge pistons, though.

[suzzex]

That was a roped hydraulic elevator, which is also holeless. Probably so big so it can handle the pressure.

[georgef551]

True.

Makes me wonder if any place attempted even a taller hydraulic system? I'm guessing no, because Musicfreakcc might've found it by now.

[suzzex]

Because roped hydraulic elevators are very efficient, I would not be surprised if I saw one go up more than 13. The floors would have to be less than 10 feet though, because I think there is a limit to how far they can go up to.

[georgef551]

C'mon now! There's NO limits! The Tacoma Narrows Bridge proves it!

:D lol.....rotfl.....

[suzzex]

Dover proved that too! Well, maybe just in the code or something, but I am definatly sure there is a hydraulic close to 15 floors that's either inground or roped. I wonder if telescoping can go that high...

[georgef551]

Those would have to be huge pistons.

[suzzex]

True.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Especially older ones.

[bagelboi66]

All parking garage elevators feel like death traps to me.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, this has the new power unit, but the fixtures are still original.

[thyssenelevator95]

When you filmed this, did it have the new power unit? Also, did they upgrade the fixtures?

[CaptainElevator42189]

So do I.

[elevatorsaregreat]

I see the Dover nameplate.

[CaptainElevator42189]

That's because it has a bumpy ride, a rough jolt when going up, and a rapid plunge when going down.

[hugboxx]

I don't understand, why is it a death trap?

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, this is a death trap elevator, and maybe you should make a video of that elevator you rode recently.

[PivotMasterD1]

If you think this is a death trap, you should see the elevator I rode a few days ago. It feels (and sounds!) as if it doesn't have any guides and is just scraping against the side of the shaft.

Specs:

Brand: Montgomery G&P

Type: Inground Hydraulic

Floors: 4

Speed: 150 FPM

Modernized: No

Scenic: Rear Wall Only

DT Rating: Off The Charts Bad

[CaptainElevator42189]

It sure is, and they probably would have been better off replacing the whole elevator, rather than replacing the power unit & cylinder.

[buginafugreturns]

Very old.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, but they're actually designed to cut down on noise.

[mikesully02]

Actually your wrong about the MRL (Machineroom less), the motor is in the hoistway and without the hoistway floor to drown out the noise, they are much louder.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Usually, on hydraulic elevators, I separate the doors to see if it's inground, or holeless/roped. As with traction, usually most of them are geared, but if I'm in a skyscraper, then it's gearless, and if it's very quiet and smooth, then it's MRL.

[elevatorsonly]

Please, make a video on how to separate doors on hydraulics, please???

[CaptainElevator42189]

I will do it soon.

[thyssenelevator97]

Interesting

[9862671]

cpatin elevator how can you tell like on hydraulics if its an inground roped or holeless hydraulice elevator and also on traction how can you tell if its geared gearless or MRL traction please reply to my comment if you get a chance Blake D.

[CaptainElevator42189]

That's very interesting, and it uses the inground cylinder with submersible power unit, which has that high power propulsion sound at the beginning.

[bodharry]

what is an inground hydraulic

[CaptainElevator42189]

An inground hydraulic elevator is where the elevator is supported by a silver plunger pole housed in an underground cylinder.

[NEXPAR]

And a holeless?

[bearchoirfan]

The propulsion sound is from the propulsion ram design, I believe. The new ThyseenKrupp propulsion pump should be itself quiet. In other words, when this pump is introduced into a European or Asian design the resultant sound would be just as quiet.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Just like MusicFreakCC's Dover Death Trap Elevator video.

[Baytrail]

The door closing sound sounds like somebody just barfed all their abdominal organs out in one barf!

[Baytrail]

The non-airport one I meant.

[Baytrail]

Since you're out of UT Austin, can you record the elevator at the Hilton in Austin, Texas?

[CaptainElevator42189]

I will, since it's in one of the top 5 tallest buildings in Austin. Basically I'm referring to the one by the Convention Center.

[Baytrail]

Where is the Frost building?

[CaptainElevator42189]

It's located on 4th and Congress.

[CaptainElevator42189]

It's probably about 5 feet from left to right, and about 3 feet from front to back.

[Baytrail]

Small.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, it's got a capacity of only 2500 lbs.

[Baytrail]

I mean in size.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Yes, it sounds ominous, and it smells like a bunch of vomiting drunks.

[patricknedz]

scary elevator

[CaptainElevator42189]

I think it was level 3 or 4, since there was someone getting on board at that floor.

[Baytrail]

What floor did you stop at before 1?

[MSWinBetaX]

@Baytrail The 6th floor.

[CaptainElevator42189]

Actually, it was the 4th floor.