@BarerMender who the fuck do you think you are? ok it's not entirely blank verse since it's not entirely in iambic pentameter, but by your logic Gascoyne's Cubical Domes Rising, half of ee cummings work, Ginsberg's Howl and countless other mind bending uses of the english language aren't poetry. obviously you haven't been studying poetry for more than ten seconds if you ignore Breton, Goethe, Coledridge and countless other's definitions of poetry. you're not a poet you're a facist, and a cunt
i stumbled on to this and started to wonder why folks are attacking @BarerMender, let him keep his opinion. YET, at the same time it would make sense Mr. Mender to show some writings/performances exalting your opinion.
the only "right" in poetry is structure and intent, aka the use of literary devices to present an idea for folks to pull an emotion from. (and even that feels limited.)
again,i suggest he show us his greatest. &, sir/ma'am don't be disrespectful, i am qualified to say all this
@4oldskool This deserves a reply: Poetry is concrete. The more concrete the better."And the silken, sad, uncertain/Rustling of each purple curtain" "So much depends/on the red wheelbarrow/glazed with rainwater/beside the white chickens" (from memory) "And the yellow fog that rubs its back along the windowpane" "My pony gives his harness bells a shake" "I have walked out in rain and back in rain/I have looked down the saddest city lane" See? Concrete imagery is what it's all about.
This speaks to the young people, they need to hear this instead of the bullshit on tv today. Peace and Love and Light brothers and sisters. We are one. :)
I can see where BarerMender MIGHT be coming from. I had a hard time with his beginning as well. The first 40 seconds do come across as a bunch of wordplay with no real meaning. There was a time when i would have judged him in that time frame & never let go of that judgement due to my ego. But as he went on, he dove into some fantastically deep material. I do like Rafael Casal's "ADD" which is very literal or even Shane Koyzcan who has a great blend of the two. But they are all great : )
I first this piece on Lyricist Lounge Vol 2. Opened my mind and writing to a new world. Perhaps I'm projecting my own memories onto it but I dig his writing during this era more than his new joints (Niggy/Volcanic). Seems more focused.
@Barermender I hope for your own sake you're a troll, cause I've never read something so pretentious. Stop evaluating and examining and just listen. Try, for own sake to just enjoy the words. Stop being so euphuistic, we can all use big words.
Simply 2 Powerful, 4sURe/S, I 1st Felt This Mystickal-Power In The 1990s w/SLAM, A GREAT FILM, I Got It 4 sURe. Now Today In 2011-Year 4 The 4TH TURNING (see; Google- The 4 YUGAS) in Stellar-Language, If We All Today Don't Deal With The TRUTH of It ALL,Then The TRUTH of It ALL Will Deal With Us ALL, By That I Mean It Will Come Out/In ALL of US!
@BarerMender ummm...this poetry is pretty original...there are not alot of people out there that can use interstellar lyrics and interplanetary linguisitics...and if its under your head then write something better and enlighten us please
@fred2001bear I actually consider myself pretty hot stuff as a poet, and I'm not shy about performing it, but I have phobia about publishing my work on the internet.
@BarerMender you sound so pretentious that its laughable. you are talking shit about saul williams(!!!!) on a youtube video that you navigated to, and you are, well... you. dissecting his published, well known verses. really? hahahh
@BarerMender "Books are carefully folded forests/void of autumn/bound from the sun" "i am like a survivor of the flood walking through the streets drenched with God surprised that all of the drowned victims are still walking and talking" "the anchor man thrown overboard has simply rooted us in history's repeating cycle" I can't make you love Saul Williams. But if you think he doesn't have something to say then my friend you are mistaken.
@AExodus7 "i am like a survivor of the flood walking through the streets drenched with God surprised that all of the drowned victims are still walking and talking" "the anchor man thrown overboard has simply rooted us in history's repeating cycle"
The paronomasia on "God" is very good. "Drowned victims still walking and talking" isn't all that striking. "Anchor man thrown overboard" goes for the shock. "Rooted us in history's repeating cycle" is a little abstract for poetry.
@mrnye66 and you're an authority on what poetry is? This isn't too abstract actually, so whoever said that is wrong. But good Poetry should (apparently) deal with things in the physical world and the 5 senses. That's why God gave us metaphors. I think Saul manages to concritise all his abstracts though
@BarerMender Too abstract for poetry? It's not even abstract as history repeats itself and we are all as humans rooted in what has been experienced once and what will be repeated again. The only thing thats too abstract for poetry is confining rules that try to tell one what you can use to speak to the listener or reader as opposed what it is made for, speaking to ones soul.
@scualabamafan "It's not even abstract as history repeats itself and we are all as humans rooted in what has been experienced once and what will be repeated again."
What does that even mean?
The essence of poetry is that it must be concrete.
And for everyone that asked, I'm not publishing my poetry in the comments section of a YouTube video.
@BarerMender for someone trying to sound so smart, you really are simple. history through time repeats itself. Regardless of the recording of what has happened in history it still repeats, whether it be the the uprising of a revolution, the persecution of religions, races, or ideals, or the downfall of a great nation, everything that happens has been repeated. Poetry has predetermined boundaries that give you endless ways to bring about what you are trying to say, whether cryptic or directly
@scualabamafan "Poetry has predetermined boundaries." I don't know what you're trying to say, and I'm not sure you do either. I grant you, you have to do certain things to have poetry. It has to be rhythmic, for instance. But boundaries? What does that mean?
@BarerMender Poetry therefore even with confines of what is "acceptable", with the right writer it has a way of taking what seems as nonsense and hitting you square between the eyes because its not speaking to your brain but somewhere deeper. For someone that seems to have a good idea of what poetry is, you really don't know a whole lot
@scualabamafan I don't give a rat's ass what's "acceptable." But I do care when bad poetry is passed off to the uneducated by the uneducated trying to sound educated by writing wordy, muddy sentences. Abstract poetry is bad poetry. Period.
@BarerMender Blank verse doesnt have to be ryhtnic. Many newer pots that are published use many different styles. This poem is using the abstractness of the poem to talk about the black race and their uniqueness, their soul, their rythym, the achievements and what makes them great in his eyes in the grand scheme of things. Its not rythmic, doesn't ryhme, it fits perfectly into blank verse. The days of every poem ending in couplets or using iambic standards are over
@scualabamafan You insulting little twerp. Don't you talk down to me. I've been studying poetry for forty-five years. Every definition of poetry ever attempted includes a mention of rhythm. If you poetry doesn't have any, it isn't poetry..Don't pretend that I mentioned couplets or iambic anything. Also, don't use words you don't understand. Blank verse has a definition, and you obviously don't know it.
@BarerMender I dont know anything about poetry, but i read all your posts and their replies and i can tell you that i cant take your opinion seriously for just one reason. You refuse to show your work in a public free to use service for your own reasons, yet you ask for 10 dollars for your book. Its ok if you make your art just for the money, but i cant understand why people trying to talk sense to somone like you.. Keep humilating yourself and have a nice day. :)
@AExodus7 The first quotation is fair, though "tree of life" is a trite phrase that weakens the whole thing. The second one does a thing amateur poets do that gets on my nerves: it blatantly says, "sit before me and absorb my wisdom," and then offers a commonplace. "Activist of intellectualized circumstance" doesn't mean anything, or doesn't mean enough to justify stuffing three polysyllabics in a poem.
@BarerMender funny that ur the only one who has these critiques. maybe u need to be a little more humble and figure out what hes doing that ur not that hes so successful in a field that some said was a dead art. and hes brought it back. he inspires millions with his ''amateur'' words. instead of being so spiteful, maybe u would do well to learn from him.
@BarerMender Where are your poems and performances since you claim to be a good poet? Unless you manage to produce and present anything better then this ingenius work, your opinion [of your so called skills as a poet] is unwarranted and baseless. Step up or step back
@monalisa02 Come to Central Florida and you can hear me perform. Let me know when you'll be here and I'll give you a venue. I won't be hanging my poetry on the internet for anyone to walk away with.
@BarerMender Or, send me ten dollars plus $2 for shipping & handling, and I'll send you my book, "Engines of the Night." or "Screaming from the Sky," whichever you want. (Engines is better.) Drop me your email address for my mailing address.
i say this in my read 180 class, i had to find this, and i found it
row907 4 days ago
I listened to this poem 19 times in a row :)
AfricanPrincess999 5 days ago
@BarerMender who the fuck do you think you are? ok it's not entirely blank verse since it's not entirely in iambic pentameter, but by your logic Gascoyne's Cubical Domes Rising, half of ee cummings work, Ginsberg's Howl and countless other mind bending uses of the english language aren't poetry. obviously you haven't been studying poetry for more than ten seconds if you ignore Breton, Goethe, Coledridge and countless other's definitions of poetry. you're not a poet you're a facist, and a cunt
2012clynep 2 weeks ago
youtube.com/watch?v=7s3RsO7NHHo
darorobot 2 weeks ago
So much swag and creativity
basiation 2 weeks ago
I recommend everybody to see his live show if you ever get the chance! Amazing! It always comes back to Poetry.
Mrlucky0711 3 weeks ago
hes a santanist
thisisacunt 1 month ago
@thisisacunt it seems like all the best musicians are these days
ChordsFromTheVoid 4 weeks ago
@ChordsFromTheVoid yea what you gona do oh yea find jesus
thisisacunt 4 weeks ago
i stumbled on to this and started to wonder why folks are attacking @BarerMender, let him keep his opinion. YET, at the same time it would make sense Mr. Mender to show some writings/performances exalting your opinion.
the only "right" in poetry is structure and intent, aka the use of literary devices to present an idea for folks to pull an emotion from. (and even that feels limited.)
again,i suggest he show us his greatest. &, sir/ma'am don't be disrespectful, i am qualified to say all this
TheVicelounge 1 month ago
Brilliant!!
yourviews123 1 month ago
Oh yes I feel ya !
AWMsT 1 month ago
So this has nothing to do with electrical resistance?
williamhenkel 2 months ago 3
wow...i do
this!
devin help me become a u tube hit11!
TrueSelfRealLife 2 months ago
Oh yes!
lwil2 2 months ago
there's not a single person I'd rather smoke a blunt with.
Twobitgangster 3 months ago 4
@Twobitgangster I'd rather eat mushrooms with him. ;)
qeurpoi 2 months ago
@Twobitgangster I'd offer a hand shake and a hug and say, "Thank you."
736wilsonlm 1 month ago
@4oldskool This deserves a reply: Poetry is concrete. The more concrete the better."And the silken, sad, uncertain/Rustling of each purple curtain" "So much depends/on the red wheelbarrow/glazed with rainwater/beside the white chickens" (from memory) "And the yellow fog that rubs its back along the windowpane" "My pony gives his harness bells a shake" "I have walked out in rain and back in rain/I have looked down the saddest city lane" See? Concrete imagery is what it's all about.
BarerMender 4 months ago
@BarerMender Music/art/poetry is a highly advanced language, what you call imagery is just a language you need to Rosetta stone.
thepeopleinthetrees 1 month ago
The best living poet, hands down!
MrCiscojae 4 months ago
shit is real.
thetwowheeler1 4 months ago
I seriously want a Galaxaphone!
CosmicBoot 4 months ago 3
This speaks to the young people, they need to hear this instead of the bullshit on tv today. Peace and Love and Light brothers and sisters. We are one. :)
TruthRebelofLight 5 months ago 3
I can see where BarerMender MIGHT be coming from. I had a hard time with his beginning as well. The first 40 seconds do come across as a bunch of wordplay with no real meaning. There was a time when i would have judged him in that time frame & never let go of that judgement due to my ego. But as he went on, he dove into some fantastically deep material. I do like Rafael Casal's "ADD" which is very literal or even Shane Koyzcan who has a great blend of the two. But they are all great : )
Warren2TheG 5 months ago
I first this piece on Lyricist Lounge Vol 2. Opened my mind and writing to a new world. Perhaps I'm projecting my own memories onto it but I dig his writing during this era more than his new joints (Niggy/Volcanic). Seems more focused.
philosophersphone 5 months ago 2
@Barermender I hope for your own sake you're a troll, cause I've never read something so pretentious. Stop evaluating and examining and just listen. Try, for own sake to just enjoy the words. Stop being so euphuistic, we can all use big words.
McFearless92 7 months ago
Saul williams = A beast
lionintu 7 months ago 2
Only fools subject poetry to rules like the words are his tools to build boxing schools.
tear of those locks overcome the shocks of feelings out of the box no one rules.
NadenkenMoetAltijd 8 months ago 2
I have never heard poetry done in such a fucking STYLE that moved me so much as Saul Williams. What a genius.
AExodus7 11 months ago 3
Simply 2 Powerful, 4sURe/S, I 1st Felt This Mystickal-Power In The 1990s w/SLAM, A GREAT FILM, I Got It 4 sURe. Now Today In 2011-Year 4 The 4TH TURNING (see; Google- The 4 YUGAS) in Stellar-Language, If We All Today Don't Deal With The TRUTH of It ALL,Then The TRUTH of It ALL Will Deal With Us ALL, By That I Mean It Will Come Out/In ALL of US!
THEMETAPHY 1 year ago
I don't know what you mean by "Saul Williams counts," but I know bullshit when I hear it.
BarerMender 1 year ago
@BarerMender ummm...this poetry is pretty original...there are not alot of people out there that can use interstellar lyrics and interplanetary linguisitics...and if its under your head then write something better and enlighten us please
fred2001bear 11 months ago
@fred2001bear I actually consider myself pretty hot stuff as a poet, and I'm not shy about performing it, but I have phobia about publishing my work on the internet.
BarerMender 11 months ago
@BarerMender you sound so pretentious that its laughable. you are talking shit about saul williams(!!!!) on a youtube video that you navigated to, and you are, well... you. dissecting his published, well known verses. really? hahahh
coldgettindumb 10 months ago 7
AExodus7 11 months ago
@AExodus7 "i am like a survivor of the flood walking through the streets drenched with God surprised that all of the drowned victims are still walking and talking" "the anchor man thrown overboard has simply rooted us in history's repeating cycle"
The paronomasia on "God" is very good. "Drowned victims still walking and talking" isn't all that striking. "Anchor man thrown overboard" goes for the shock. "Rooted us in history's repeating cycle" is a little abstract for poetry.
BarerMender 11 months ago
@BarerMender Wow u dumb. How can anything be too abstract for poetry. I suppose Picasso was too abstract for painting as well
TheDrKnowNothing 8 months ago
@BarerMender Too abstract for poetry?? Your a retard
mrnye66 7 months ago 21
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@mrnye66 Ad hominem attack? Is that the best you can do?
BarerMender 7 months ago
@mrnye66 this is nice,
johnxmc 2 months ago
@mrnye66 you're*
BSDConstantine 1 month ago
@mrnye66 Not to split hairs, but you may want to use the correct you're while calling someone a retard.
computerguru52 1 month ago
@mrnye66 and you're an authority on what poetry is? This isn't too abstract actually, so whoever said that is wrong. But good Poetry should (apparently) deal with things in the physical world and the 5 senses. That's why God gave us metaphors. I think Saul manages to concritise all his abstracts though
PK10dotdotdot 1 month ago
@mrnye66 HAHA that's so contradictory I can't even believe one would say such a thing
pkilly126 5 days ago
@BarerMender Too abstract for poetry? It's not even abstract as history repeats itself and we are all as humans rooted in what has been experienced once and what will be repeated again. The only thing thats too abstract for poetry is confining rules that try to tell one what you can use to speak to the listener or reader as opposed what it is made for, speaking to ones soul.
scualabamafan 2 weeks ago
@scualabamafan "It's not even abstract as history repeats itself and we are all as humans rooted in what has been experienced once and what will be repeated again."
What does that even mean?
The essence of poetry is that it must be concrete.
And for everyone that asked, I'm not publishing my poetry in the comments section of a YouTube video.
BarerMender 2 weeks ago
@BarerMender for someone trying to sound so smart, you really are simple. history through time repeats itself. Regardless of the recording of what has happened in history it still repeats, whether it be the the uprising of a revolution, the persecution of religions, races, or ideals, or the downfall of a great nation, everything that happens has been repeated. Poetry has predetermined boundaries that give you endless ways to bring about what you are trying to say, whether cryptic or directly
scualabamafan 2 weeks ago
@scualabamafan "Poetry has predetermined boundaries." I don't know what you're trying to say, and I'm not sure you do either. I grant you, you have to do certain things to have poetry. It has to be rhythmic, for instance. But boundaries? What does that mean?
BarerMender 2 weeks ago
@BarerMender Poetry therefore even with confines of what is "acceptable", with the right writer it has a way of taking what seems as nonsense and hitting you square between the eyes because its not speaking to your brain but somewhere deeper. For someone that seems to have a good idea of what poetry is, you really don't know a whole lot
scualabamafan 2 weeks ago
@scualabamafan I don't give a rat's ass what's "acceptable." But I do care when bad poetry is passed off to the uneducated by the uneducated trying to sound educated by writing wordy, muddy sentences. Abstract poetry is bad poetry. Period.
BarerMender 2 weeks ago
@BarerMender Blank verse doesnt have to be ryhtnic. Many newer pots that are published use many different styles. This poem is using the abstractness of the poem to talk about the black race and their uniqueness, their soul, their rythym, the achievements and what makes them great in his eyes in the grand scheme of things. Its not rythmic, doesn't ryhme, it fits perfectly into blank verse. The days of every poem ending in couplets or using iambic standards are over
scualabamafan 2 weeks ago
@scualabamafan You insulting little twerp. Don't you talk down to me. I've been studying poetry for forty-five years. Every definition of poetry ever attempted includes a mention of rhythm. If you poetry doesn't have any, it isn't poetry..Don't pretend that I mentioned couplets or iambic anything. Also, don't use words you don't understand. Blank verse has a definition, and you obviously don't know it.
BarerMender 2 weeks ago
@BarerMender I dont know anything about poetry, but i read all your posts and their replies and i can tell you that i cant take your opinion seriously for just one reason. You refuse to show your work in a public free to use service for your own reasons, yet you ask for 10 dollars for your book. Its ok if you make your art just for the money, but i cant understand why people trying to talk sense to somone like you.. Keep humilating yourself and have a nice day. :)
Kr3mQ 1 week ago
Insanity is to be in love when in reality you DANCE to "cant touch this"-self!
he's acceptably insane! <3
Odaseni 1 year ago
ok this guy sounds like he is on acid and shrooms at the same time
crash6917 1 year ago
Put in enough fancy word play, and no one will notice you have nothing to say.
BarerMender 1 year ago
@BarerMender guess its over you head
dbecks51 1 year ago
@dbecks51 Actually, it's under my head, but I see that it isn't under yours.
BarerMender 1 year ago
@BarerMender Check out some of these verses by Saul Williams, in his book ", said the shotgun to the head"
"I surrendered my beliefs
and found myself at the tree of life
injecting my story into the veins of leaves
only to find that stories like forests
are subject to seasons"
"I dance for no reason, for reasons you can't dance,
Call me an activist of intellectualized circumstance
You can't learn my steps until you unlearn your thoughts Spirit, soul, can't be store-bought."
AExodus7 11 months ago
@AExodus7 The first quotation is fair, though "tree of life" is a trite phrase that weakens the whole thing. The second one does a thing amateur poets do that gets on my nerves: it blatantly says, "sit before me and absorb my wisdom," and then offers a commonplace. "Activist of intellectualized circumstance" doesn't mean anything, or doesn't mean enough to justify stuffing three polysyllabics in a poem.
BarerMender 11 months ago
@BarerMender funny that ur the only one who has these critiques. maybe u need to be a little more humble and figure out what hes doing that ur not that hes so successful in a field that some said was a dead art. and hes brought it back. he inspires millions with his ''amateur'' words. instead of being so spiteful, maybe u would do well to learn from him.
TheKickasskatie 8 months ago
@BarerMender please, listen again and pay attention, also let yourself go.
Saul Williams counts.
mr02081989 1 year ago
@BarerMender Where are your poems and performances since you claim to be a good poet? Unless you manage to produce and present anything better then this ingenius work, your opinion [of your so called skills as a poet] is unwarranted and baseless. Step up or step back
monalisa02 4 months ago
@monalisa02 Come to Central Florida and you can hear me perform. Let me know when you'll be here and I'll give you a venue. I won't be hanging my poetry on the internet for anyone to walk away with.
BarerMender 4 months ago
@BarerMender Or, send me ten dollars plus $2 for shipping & handling, and I'll send you my book, "Engines of the Night." or "Screaming from the Sky," whichever you want. (Engines is better.) Drop me your email address for my mailing address.
BarerMender 4 months ago
awesomeee!
RinaSvet 1 year ago
This is a brilliant performance
artswebshow 1 year ago