It's intension if you know in your heart Allah is the decision maker then tawassul is not shirk at all. Who ever says it is be aware of what you say because you are going to be held accountable for all the people who believe you.
I can't post this video on FB because wahhabis have reported it as being 'abusive'... alsong with MANY other videos so FB has blocked them! Wahhabi Cowards fear the truth!
ni sufis sejer att ibn taymiyah var den första som var emot tawassul ; Imâm Abû Hanîfah (rahimahullâh) – dog 150 H, 511 år före Imâm Ibn Taymiyyahs födsel, 661 H – sade: ”Det är förbjudet att säga: ”Jag ber Dig vid den och den” eller ”vid Dina profeter och sändebud…” Sharh al-´Aqîdah at-Tahâwiyyah, sid. 334, av Imâm Ibn Abîl-´Izz al-Hanafî, Sharh al-Fiqh al-Akbar, sid. 198, av ´Allâmah ´Alî al-Qârî al-Hanafî.
It's a strange thing to say seeking help from the dead is shirk, because they can't help you, but from the living is fine, because they can. NO one can help you accept Allah. Dead or alive is irrelevant. Are those who claim it's shirk if the person is dead, guilty themselves of shirk when they say the living can help? Certainly not! Something is not right here.
We one makes tawassul, one seeks the help of Allah through the position and rank a person has with Him, and His love for this person.
NO asking your mother for prayers is absolutely opposite to asking Prophets for prayers. Because when one asks his her mother for prayers, She is alive & there to pray for her child. No body in his/her right minds will go to her dead mother's grave & ask her to do prayers for him/her.
You can ask me to pray for you & i can ask you the same. The problem is when we ask for prayers from a dead person.
@0515524847 What are you waiting for? I told you where the answer to your question is. Just wtch the video and then relate to my answers, and stop repeating yourself like a parrot.
@0515524847 Every Prophet and saint is alive as Quran 2:154 says that do not call a marytr dead, although you think he's dead, you perceive it not. And a martyr is a person doing Jih'ad and struggle, and dies during it. And these saints do Jihad to make people come towards Islam (Prophet Muhammad (SAW), All other 123999 prophets, and saints like Mevlana Rumi, Data Hajweri, Ajmer Sharif, Ahmed Shah Masood, Shahbaz Qalander. made struggle and are alive in thier graves.
'The Prophets are ALIVE in their graves, praying to their Lord'
Albani (leader of the wahabis) classified this Hadith as Sahih, see in: Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah (#621).
Why are they still saying that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is dead, while their 'big' shaikh classified the Hadith above as Sahih? Are they going against their own 'Sheikh ul Islaam'? It is Albani, the one who corrected Imam Bugari (rahimullah)...
As for seeking rescue from the dead, from the Prophets and other than them, it is not permissible and it is from the Major Shirk. As for seeking rescue from the one who is alive and present (in the vicinity), and seeking rescue from him in that which he is capable of, then there is no harm in that, due to the saying of Allaah, the Sublime, "The man of his (own) party asked him (fastaghaathahu) for help against his foe." (al-Qasas 28:15).
@killa4489 Please watch the video and then try to say the same thing. In the video I try to prove that:
1. Tawassul is not, as you say: “seeking rescue from the dead”. It is turning to Allah trough the mediation of another. Just like when you ask your mother to pray for you. The Prophet (‘alaihi alsalaam) is not dead in the sense of being unconscious and unaware. The proof for that is the first hadith I quote in the video. And remember its only Allah that answers the prayers
2. There are a lot of hadith that prove that the sahaba made tawassul before and after the Prophet lived among them. Just see the video and you will come to know that inshaAllah.
@killa4489 Dear brother in Islam, you should read the tafsir of that verse. Imam ibn kathir says concerning it: “but you cannot make hear those who are in graves.” means, `just as the dead cannot benefit from guidance and the call to truth after they have died as disbelievers and ended up in the graves, so too you cannot help these idolators who are decreed to be doomed, and you cannot guide them.'
It is clear from the words of ibn kathir that the hearing of that verse means guidance (hedayah) (the prophet(alayhi salaat wa salaam) can not guide them because they died as kuffar) and not that they can not hear us. So ibn Kathir explains that the hearing in this verse is the guidance. And as you know after a person dies a kafir he cannot be guided anymore and it’s too late to repent.
Moreover Imam Suyuti says in his Al-hawi lil Fatawa, vol. 2 p. 169-175: "It is an Allegorical statement (an-Nafi Ja'a ala m'ana al -Majaz). The Real meaning of this is that: "They cannot listen to Guidance (Ma'naha Sama' Huda) i.e. they are dead and cannot be guided anymore."
it is true the prophets (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon them) have a higher position in the afterlife than the martyrs, however the prophets (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon them) nor pious people (i.e. pirs/murshid) have not been mentioned in this verse 2:154 here solely "shuhada" have been mentioned no prophets (pbut) or pirs, so why make outright blatent innovations. Will you stay arrogant in your ways and earn Allah's anger when the truth is there and clear
It has been narrated on the authority of Masruq Who said: We asked 'Abdullah about the Qur'anic verse: "Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord" (Qur'an 3:169). He said: We asked the meaning of the verse (from the Holy Prophet) who said: The souls of the martyrs live in the bodies of green birds who have their nests in chandeliers hung from the throne of the Almighty.
The point is... they went to an extreme in constriction in order to root out an extreme in too liberal an attitude.
Most of the outrageous practices that shocked these people are rooted in Da'if or even mawdu' hadiths. And while they can be used to justify the Fada'il, opening the door unconditionally lets in a flood of insanity.
But closing the door makes Islam nothing but a Talmud-like nightmare with no color and no life for the spirit.
A wise position for people who firmly believe in Tawassul and tasawwuf as mainstream Islam, NOT some extra separate option, is to realize that there has always been a tug-of-war in Islam (even in all of the religious sciences) between those who have more rigid constrictive views, and those who don't.
You have to know what it is that Al Albanee was witnessing in Egypt, and Abdal Wahhab in the East. Snake charmers, belly dancers, dog and cock fights at the grave sites of our Ulema.
if the prophet pbuh prophesised about the wahhabis then they must be corrupt i dont think wahhabis read hadiths very often they are there to corrupt our religion i dont regard them as muslims abdul wahhab is a satans horn as said in a hadith or hadiths so whoever has got him down as someone good then im afraid you are sleeping so wake up and start educating yourself.
Good video, please can you give me the link to the nasheed, i know it is Qasida Muahmadiyya/Qasida Burdah but please can you give me the link beacuase i love this version :)
tawassul is pefectly allowed in islam wahhabis have such corrupted beliefs that cannot agree with the truth they are trying to remove the love of the prophet out of our hearts
salaam i would like to say that allah always helps through prophets and saints ive had an experience to prove this myself and in my opinion you are allowed to make tawassul i am with the idea beacause our duas are not accepted quickley so through tawassul is a quicker way to have your duas accepted.
"No intercession can avail in His Presence, except for those for whom He has granted permission. So far (is this the case) that, when terror is removed from their hearts (at the Day of Judgment, then) will they say, 'what is it that your Lord commanded?' they will say, 'That which is true and just; and He is the Most High Most Great'."
"No intercession can avail in His Presence, except for those for whom He has granted permission. So far (is this the case) that, when terror is removed from their hearts (at the Day of Judgment, then) will they say, 'what is it that your Lord commanded?' they will say, 'That which is true and just; and He is the Most High Most Great'."
Imam Abu Hanifah only declared tawassul disliked if one made it in the wording of "bihaq al-nabiy" or "by the right of the prophet upon you." He didn't actually declare tawassul itself to be disliked.
To address all the haters: Please do not use "Salafi" as a derrogatory term as I would not use the word Sufi to delineate those deviants who claim to be Sufi. As a person who follows the Salaf, I believe tawassul is PERMISSABLE; however, only if it is done flawlessly in the aspect of recognizing that it is ALLAH who fulfills the need. This can be easily misinterpreted b y those whose knowledge in the deen is not as developed, and furthermore, there is NO OBLIGATION whatsoever to partake in it
I think that "salafis" despise Tawassul because of this hadith in particular.
(The Prophet) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our Yemen." People said, "Our Najd as well." The Prophet again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and Yemen." They said again, "Our Najd as well." On that the Prophet said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan."
Brother Crunchybear1, this line of reasoning is fallacious as you cannot pinpoint as to what the Prophet himself was specifically alluding to. (I would argue the House of Saud) Secondly, you cannot take this hadeeth to categorically laud or condemn any school of thought, as exceptions exist. For example, Musailama Al Kadhaab was from....YEMEN, Anwar al Awlaki (may Allah guide him back to the straight path) is from.... YEMEN and so on.
Very Very good collection, Subhan Allah wahhabis have been brainwashed to think its shirk, they just accept their scholars to be wrong.
I would like to add a hadith narrated by al-hakim, Tabaraniyy in Mu`jam alKabir and in Mu`jam alAwsat that Anas ibn Malik said when Imam Ali's mother passed away and was being buried The Prophet said "O Allah i ask you by my virtue and the virtue of the Prophets before me that you forgive her"
This is the Prophet making Tawassul by the Prophets before him
2) TAWASSUL by means of a righteous action which the person who is supplicating has done. There occurs the hadeeth of the companions of the cave (reported by Bukhari and Muslim), where they called upon Allaah in reference to a righteous action they had done and said O Allaah if I did that seeking Your Face then release us from the situation we are in.
There are 3 prescribed forms of Tawassul (seeking a means of nearness to Allaah):
1) TAWASSUL by means of the names and attributes of Allaah. Allaah says in the Quraan: And (all) the Most Beautiful Names belong to Allâh, so call on Him by them..Al-A'raf 7:180.
Jazak Allah Khair brother! If only people would take their deen from the universally accepted scholars of Islam, rather than "self-appointed" "scholars/shuyukh" (I use those terms very loosely), the Umma would not be in the situation it finds itself in today.
the tawasul thing is all misunderstood by muslims, same is hajj, coz muslims now make hajj in 10 days, even though God says "alhajj ashhor ma3loumat"! and all this hadith things, forget about it, follow only the quran, sunna and this hadiths is all crazy!full of contradictions.God promised to maintain the quran not the sunnah, isnt that enough for you?!memorize the qurasn first before reading all these silly books of hadith!
"The Jews were split up into 71 or 72 sects; the Christians were split up into 71 or 72; and my community will be split up into 73 sects" Narrated by Abu Hurayrah
Allah (Subhana wa Ta'ala) says:
"Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did" Al-Anaam (6):159
The Prophet could intercede, not through man, but through Angels
What an idiot.. May Allah guide you and remove the vails of ignorance.. In Islam we don't need to debate on any matter, we form together on whatever Allah (The All-Knower) has said:
"If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah (Quran) and His Messenger (Sunna), if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day." Surat An-Nisa (4):59
We read everyday in Surat Al-Fatiha:
"You ALONE we worship and YOU ALONE we ASK FOR HELP"
And that was exactly what I did in the video. I used quran and ahadith to prove my case. And yes, we only pray to Allah. You obviously dident even watch the video.
Nauzubillah... Clearly you do not ONLY pray to Allah (The provider).. You pray to a Messenger of Allah just like the practices of the Christians.. You have created a partner (which is the worst of sins and will not be forgiven on the Day)
As I have pointed out in the video, we do not pray to other than Allah, that is shirk. Muslims have been making tawassul troughout our history. It was only when ibn Abdulwahhab came on the scene that it was declared shirk for the first time. You cannot find even one scholar before him that ever called tawassul shirk, although there where scholars who said it is haram (but never shirk). What you are saying is a new thing, and its only bacause you follow the sect of wahhabis.
@trulgn In Tuwassul its never the case of praying to anybody else other then ALLAH swt but its way of makeing a duwa to ALLAH swt through his Prophet SAW.. or Asking Ya ALLAH forgive and help me for the sake of your Rasool SAW... now tell did i do shirk in this duwa? if you dont understand this that means you wahabis Neo fake salafis are just thick heads so im sorry thats how ALLAH swt have made yous...
@rabbaniqadri, Asalam bro. when you make this type of du'a, it is empty because the statue of the Prophet(saw) has nothing to do with you and Allah. It would be better for you to make Tawassul to Allah through His Names. Ya Allah you are AL-GHAFFAR (The Forgiver) and You Like those who turn to You for Forgiveness so Forgive me. Brother Don't be offended, We Pray to Allah that He gives us Knowledge so that we are able to follow anly that which is correct. ameen.
@trulgn In Tuwassul its never the case of praying to anybody else other then ALLAH swt but its way of makeing a duwa to ALLAH swt through his Prophet SAW.. or Asking Ya ALLAH forgive and help me for the sake of your Rasool SAW... now tell did i do shirk in this duwa? if you dont understand this that means you wahabis Neo fake salafis are just thick heads so im sorry thats how ALLAH swt have made yous..
@mainstreamIslam u can't defend urself whoever u are...the sunnah of the companions is not to pray to the dead..none of the companions did it, and Muhammad sallallahu'alaihiwasallam forbid such thinks even in his death bed...May Allah guide us from such deviance...
@DrakyGordon Yes you’re right. Off course, the companions never prayed to anyone other than Allah. That’s shirk (may Allah protect us)! But here we are talking about tawassul and not du’a. Why did you not watch the video? In the video I quoted ahadith from the companions who did make tawassul when they visited the grave of the Prophet (alayhi ssalam). Watch the video again my friend, and specifically watch after 3:15 min.
@mainstreamIslam Also, no one calls himself a Wahhabi Astagfirullah. its a name which the Sufis attribute to the people who follow the Manhaj of Muhammad ibnu Abdul Wahhab. And Al-Wahhab is an Attribute of Allah. Lets not play with the name of The Almighty brother...its a dangerous game we are playing. Its not worth it at all..i suggest we seek knowledge from the right source. U can ask me if u have any doubts i can only direct u, and i will be more than happy to do so for the sake of Allah.
@DrakyGordon So now you change the topic from ahadith about tawassul to semantics. You know what is more serious than calling “salafis” wahhabis, in spite of the wish? I will tell you…. It’s calling the majority of the umma for the past 1000 year’s mushrikeen because they approved of tawassul. Calling Muslims mushrikeen and killing their men and enslaving their women (and this is what ibn Abdulwahhab did) is worse than calling him and his followers wahhabis.
Allah is the all living, all hearing, the forgiver, the hidden, the obvious, the intercessor, the concealer
and etc.... when you read in the Quran that we are from Allah and to him is our return. We are returning to all that which Allah swt describe himself. And as such he describes his prophet. The verses are too many to mention just read quran and think about the station of Man when all the angels prostrated be4 him and Allah glorified himself for man's creation.
Asalamualaykum, the brother has in this video shown the possition of some of the greatest ulama in our religions history on tawassul. And he has given us REFERENCES. If anybody wants to refute that, please leave a reference and bring your proof from ANY ulama before Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab, that claims that it is shirk. Please do this instead of indirectly accusing thousands of ulama of major shirk.
This matter can be easily dealt with a few verses from the Quran. Abraham said he will pray for forgiveness from His Lord for his father's idolatry. Yusuf's brothers asked their father to repent for them from His Lord for what they did to Yusuf. barakAllah feek for the video.
That is a bad analogy. First of all, the Prophet(alaihi salaam) is higher in status than any other prophet, so he dont need to make tawassul by them, but the other prophets did tawassul through him. Did you for example read the hadith in the video where Adam made tawassul through the Prophet(alaihi salaam)? And second the Prophet(alaihi salaam) DID teach us to make tawassul through him! You obviously did not even watch the video. But thankyou for the comment.
pure shirk the reson is Allah says in the opening of teh quran the dua all muslims must read when praying surah Al Fathiha ' IT IS YOU WE WORSHIP AND YOU WE ASK FOR HELP, GUIDE US TO THE STRAIGHT PATH'.
no where in the ahadith or quran does it mention pray 2 d prohets abt intermediaries.
the great intercession on the day of judgement is the only place where the prophet pbuh will interceed 4 us.
Yes, we must only pray to and worship Allah. I have said this 100 times now, but I obviously need to say it again: tawassul is NOT the praying to other than Allah, that is shirk (as you correctly say)! As for your second question: if you had watched the video you would have known.
No I am not...that is shirk...only Allah can forgive sins....but they can ask the prophet(alaihi salaam) to ask Allahs forgivness for them, like the Qur'an say: "If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah.s forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them[wa istaghfara lahom al-rasool], they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful." (4:64)
everyones a shayk without any elementary understanding of what there nafs are doing to them. they think it is deen to insult and humiliate others understanding withouth fully understanding themselves. like parrots or brainwashed mindslaves repeating what there learned shayks taught them withouth any understanding from themselves.
Tawassul is asking someone closer to Allah to grant us.. It is just what happens in our normal lives.. If we want medicine, we go to doctor..
It is not rejecting Allah or attributing partners. We Sunnis know the Source of help, but make request to the Source through someone closer to the Source.
The christians ask Jesus saying he is God himself, not a prophet.
We ask saying that ALLAH is ONLY God, and Prophets are Prophets, Saints are Saints.
christians belive in the trinity...3 in 1 idea...but how can a wahabi justify tawasul amounts to shirk? if it were up2 them im sure they would have desacrated the prophets grave by now! astagfirullah..ibn abdul wahab has blood on his hands..you need to read about his history from impartial sources and you will see what a fool he was...british used him to do the dirty work! the devil of najd. btw does any one know where is he buried?
And rather than use weak and fabricated hadiths for evidence, show me ONE verse in Allah's Book wherein he states that we can call upon a person who has DIED (as the Prophet, peace be upon him, did) for intercession. Such does not exist.
The Muslim Ummah today is a humiliated community because they have followed the Jews and Christians in matters such as this. This criticism isn't directed at you personally, but at the cultures that taught you these beliefs.
If you had bothered watching the video you would have seen that I presented the classification of the top scholars to every hadith I mentioned. So if you have any issue with that you should try to become as knowledgeable as the scholars I mentioned and then refute them!
Im sorry I cant answer your strange request by presenting a verse from the Qur'aan that "states that we can call upon a person who has DIED". Its like me asking you to show me a verse that says we must pray 4 rak'a at zuhr.
That is a terrible analogy. There is no verse in the Qur'an forbidding us to pray 4 rakaat at zuhr, but there are MANY verses in the Qur'an forbidding us to call upon ANYONE other than Allah, for any reason. So the Qur'anic rule is that we cannot do so. You claim that we can---so where is the verse that makes the exception?
Why take a chance losing your soul if not doing so will gain you no harm? That's quite a gamble!
And in this verse Allah encouraged people to ask the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) to pray for them:
"If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked Allah's forgiveness and the Messenger of Allah had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed forgiving and Most Merciful".(Surah al-Nisa: 64).
And do you see how stupid it is to ask "why not pray to Allah directly?" when Allah himself asked people to use the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) as mediator.
If that is what this verse means, then logically we should use the Prophet as mediator for everything. Would you accept that? And if not, why not?
The point is, you call upon Allah all the time---yet at some point that's not good enough, so you use a "mediator." Why? Do you think you'll get better results?
Why don't you just admit that maybe you think Allah is just too Great to listen to us---but he'll listen to the Prophet, right?
You asked: "...we should use the Prophet as mediator for everything. Would you accept that? And if not, why not?".
As I have said in the video its not wajib to make tawassul.
I have told you that tawassul is like asking your parents or pious muslims to pray for you. Its not wajib to do that, but its more likely that their prayers get answerd. So you can ask them to pray to Allah or you can ask Allah yourself. Both are permissible. Do you get it?
so what makes you any different to the christians?
at least Jesus (pbuh) is still alive (although it is STILL shirk) Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is dead.
Quran 39:43-44"Or choose they intercessors other than Allah? Say: Even though they (those who they choose as intercessors) have power over nothing and have no intelligence?"
3:160 If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust.
Many points to answer, why dont you ask a question at the time?
1. The difference between muslim tawassul and the christian is that they pray to Jesus(3alayhi salaam) as God, and believe that he can answer prayers. Muslims only ask the Prophet(3alayhi salaah) as the slave of Allah to ask Allah, all this while knowing that only Allah answers the prayers.
PS. Allah says we must not call the shuhada dead and you call the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) dead?!?!
2. Concerning the verse 39:43-44 it is about those who worship the intercessors as gods. See the tafsir.
We know for sure that Allah allowes some people the status of intercession. Im sure you have read ayatul kursi when Allah say: "Who is there can intercede in His presence EXCEPT AS HE PERMITTETH?"(2:255). And as I said before we all agree that the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) will intercede for the muslims on jawm al-qeyaamah.
So therefor the verse you quoted can not be applied in this way.
Regarding the Prophet's intercession on the Day of Judgement---we will be in his physical presence and will go to him directly to ask.
Which brings up the issue of proximity: Are you claiming that you can address the Prophet from any location or at his gravesite only? And if so, how loudly must you speak for him to hear? If you're 100 feet away can he understand? And must you speak his form of Arabic? What if you mispronounce a word and he doesn't understand you?
Yes you can adress the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) from any location.
In a Sahih Hadith narrated by Abu Dawud, Nasai, Ibn Majah, Ahmad,Tabarani, and others, The Prophet said what means that one should say increase the saying of salawat on the day of Jumu`ah as this will be presented to the him. Then the Sahabah asked the Prophet how their salawat was going to be presented to him after he had died and his body is no longer existent, and the Prophet replied that:
even though christians believe he is god, they used him as a mediator to god the 'father', they also used Mary (pbuh) the dead and saints to interseed for them, so it's no different to what you claim.
it would make more sense to have Jesus mediate coz he is alive but even then it is major shirk.
the dead are dead they can do nothing for us not even to mediate.
i used to be a christian i am now Muslim Allhumdullila, i know well how christians worship. they most definately ask others to mediate between them and God that is a fundamental fact about christianity in particular all the non protestant sects!
'They worship the mediator as god'... as you claim, makes no sence because he then is the worshiped no longer classified a 'mediator' for he is not mediating but being worshiped.
'holy Mary mother of God pray for our sins now and at the hour of our death'
this is just one common prayer they use there are hundreds more on top of the worshipers private pray to Mary, saints the dead person to ask god for this and that on their behalf.
protestant groups pray to Jesus as 'god'.
the mere fact you even talk to these dead is shirk wether you are asking direct for whatever or you ask to mediate for you all 'shirk'
I have now told you over 3 times that tawassul is not prayers to anyone besides Allah. Im tired of saying this! And do you call the sahaba mushrik that made tawassul through the Prophet(3alayhi al-salaatu wa al-salaam)?
did Mohammad (pbuh) pray to the dead or saints pious person to ANYONE besides Allah (swt) ....? no.... that's all the answer you need, if he had done it well i am here to try and reason with you for nothing but the fact is he did not do it.
Why can't you be satisfied with calling upon Allah alone? Allah doesn't need intermediaries---he sees and hears all things. I would reconsider your opinion in this matter and stop labeling anyone who opposes this "wahhabi."
If you mean praying by your word "calling" then I would agree and say that YES WE MUST ONLY CALL UPON ALLAH. But If you mean using a intermediary then I would say that it is permissible. Just like it is permissible to ask a pious person to pray for you.
I definitely dident call "anyone who opposes this(tawassul)`wahhabi`" I clearly said in the video(that you never saw) that their is a difference of opinion in the matter and a muslim can either do or not do tawassul but dont call it shirk!
And by the way noone ever said Allah NEED intermediaries. But HE does allow intercession. Im sure not even the most hardline salafi would deny that the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) will intercede for the muslims on jawm al-qeyaamah. So its just strange to write what you wrote. Its like someone saying: "why should we pray to Allah when HE dont need our prayers".
First, you began your video by stating that you were refuting the wahabbis.
Your analogy that tawassul to the dead is the same as having your mother pray for you would only be relevant if your mother is dead. Also, except for the Prophets, those you call upon in their graves may be at the time receiving the punishments of the grave for all you know, so how can they help you if they can't help themselves?
Yes I refuted the wahhabis/salafis when they say that it is shirk. Do you see the difference?
I gave many ahadith that the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) is our intermediary in this world and the next. And also ahadith about the sahaba making tawassul through the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) after him passing away.
all he did was bring the people back from the ignorance of using the dead as mediators, he helped bring them back to the true Islam as Allah (swt) and Mohammad (pbuh) intended.
the enemies of Islam label and divide us and some Muslims went along with it, what better way to conquer by dividing us.
Allah gave us ONE deen Islam; he called us Muslims nothing else no wahabis shia sufi salafi nothing.... we are muslims.
It was him that divided the muslims. Look at what is going on in our masaajids now. Muslims fight over how long pants they wear.
It was him that killed the muslim men and enslaved their women and children.
It was the British that used to fulfill their motto: "divide and conquer". The British were laughing at Muhammad Ibn 'Abdi-l-Wahhab looting, and killing Muslims in the name of Islam, causing Muslims in Mecca to resort to eating dogs.
Yes we must always ask Allah, but one can also do that through the mediation of a holy person, your good deeds etc.
And yes, without doubt Allah alone answers prayers. Have the scholars ever said differently? If anyone believe that any other than Allah can answer prayers is a kafir.
Now let me ask you something....have you ever asked anyone to pray for you? If yes, then why dident you just pray to Allah directly yourself? Tawassul is just like that!
I agree, its shirk to ask a dead person for help. Only Allah answers prayers. But asking a deceased holy person to ask Allah is not shirk. Do you understand the difference or should I just keep repeating myself in every reply? The permissibility of using a deceased person as mediator is proven by the ahadith I have quote in the video that you obviously never saw.
For the same reason that we ask our parents to pray for us. And again: YES, it is only Allah that responds to prayers, and tawassul is not about praying to anyother than Allah.
Unlike christians we do not pray to or ask forgiveness from any other than Allah.
If you mean praying to by the words "Would you call upon sayyidinaa Musa?" then the answer would be NO, thats shirk.
U fail 2 understand s.t., Bro. When the Christians say "We believe in God", no one questions thir Christianity. When they say "Jesus is a prophet", still the Christians accept them as their own. When they say "Jesus is His son", still no question arises, and when they finally say "Jesus is Divine", there's still total acceptance.
I am so self-sufficient that I am in no need of having an associate. Thus he who does an action for someone else's sake as well as Mine will have that action renounced by Me to him whom he associated with Me.
It was related by Muslim (also by Ibn Majah).
Text copied from Al-Nasir's Hadith Qudsi DivineIslam (dot) com
bro watch out for these people, they use verses that are sent dont for the kafirs and use them on muslims.
It has been said by Abdullah ibn Umar (RA) that Kawarij are so mischievous that they fit those Quranic verses that were revealed about the non-believers on the believers. Just like many of the followers of Abdul Wahab the najdi do today with Muslims opposed to them.
Imâm Muhammad bin 'Abdil-Wahhâb (rahimahullâh) said:
"Hold fast to your knowledge of the issues that cancels a person's Islâm is ten:
The second: Anyone who puts a mediator between himself and Allâh, worship him, asking him if mediation or trust themselves to him, according to the consistency has made Kufr. "[2]
Nawâqidh-ul-Islâm, pp. 258 along with Madjmû 'Mu'allafât-ish-Shaykh Muhammad bin' Abdil-Wahhâb, vol. 6, Dâr-ul-Qâsim
First of all you know that sunnis dont accept ibn 3abdul wahhabs fataawa. But even if we did, in this statement he is saying those who WORSHIP the mediator, but we do not worship any other than Allah. But let me now ask you something...why do you stick to ibn 3abdul wahhab while ignoring Imam abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi3i, Imam Malik, Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal, Ibn Hajar, Imam al-Nawawi, al-Subki, al-Haytami, al-Shawkani, Ibn Kathir, Ibn al-Jawzi, Al-Hafiz al-Dhahabi. They all permited/recommend tawassul
you didn't mention that Ibn Hanbal was jailed and forbidden to hold lecture for 14 years because he stood against the innovators such as those who called for comitting shirk with the meaning of Tawassul.
La ilaaha Illa Allah. I pray to Allah that you stop with this nonsense and come back to ahl as-sunnah wa al-jam3aa. Now I have warned you and asked you to come back and ask forgivness to Allah for abusing his rights to be worshiped alone. So you have no excuses in the day of the deen.
Ahmad ibn Hanbal was tortured because he stood agaist the innovations of the Mu'tazilah, not because he was agaist tawassul. You did not present any proof for your statement. He clearly said in his own book "Manasik" to his student al-Marwazi:
"Let him use the Prophet as a means in his supplication to Allah."
Even your favourite shaykh ibn Taimiyyah recorded him encouraging Tawassul through Rasulullah[3alayhi salaam] in ones du3a.(Fataawa ibn Taimiyyah vol.1 pg.140).
To make Tawassul in the manner that you are propagating for is an act of shirk since you pray to a person who can't benefit you nor harm you. you should make Dua for the dead people instead of making the Dua TO them.
Since the prophet mentioned in a hadith that Dua is an act of worship makes tawassul to a dead person an act of worship to the dead one.
You should also read the qur'an more:
"...and behind them is barzakh (a barrier) until the Day when they will be resurrected" 28:100
They me I shouldent debate a salafi because they are so brainwashed. Im starting to think they are right! WHERE IN MY VIDEO DID I SAY ONE SHOULD MAKE DUA TO A DECEASED PERSON?!?!?!?!
First of all you quoted the wrong surah. This verse is in surah Al-Mu'minun and not in surah Al-Qasas!
And second of all, if you would have read it in context it would be clear that the verse is about the barzakh between this world and the next. Meaning that the dead cannot have a second chance.(see Ibn kathir).
Yes i wrote the wrong number it is sura 23:100. According to mujaahid barzakh means a barrier between this world and the hereafter, according to ibn Ka'b barzakh is what there is between this world and the hereafter, neither there are people of this world,eating and drinking, nor are the they with the people of the hereafter. This is in Tafsir Ibn Katheer. So the scholars tells us that there is a barrier between us and the dead. Is it too hard to understand?
And that is exactly what I said the verse mean(based on the tafsir). Yes, there is a barzakh between this world and the world of the dead, we cannot go to them and they cannot come back to life. In what way does this prove me wrong? The fact that the dead cannot come back to this world doesent mean we cannot communicate with them. And that is exactly what the prophet(3alayhi salaam) did in the hadith I quoted in the video. If the dead cannot hear then why did he(3alayhi salaam) talk with them?
MainstreamIslam, it seems that something has went wrong with you deen and I hope Allah will guide you to the straight path again. In your vidoe you are propagating and defending an act the prophet said is an act of worshiping (see tirmidhi). So what your video really says is that one should make dua to a dead person in order that the dead person would make dua for one to Allah. Why don't you instead stop with ypur shirk and make dua directly to Allah? is it so complicated?
JazakAllah khayr for your concern. I also pray that Allah guide me to the straight path everyday, im sure you do also. Now to your objections...
I never said in my video that one should make du3a to a dead person, but rather that one should ASK the Prophet(3alayhi salam) to pray for you to Allah(this is using the words of the scholars quoted in the video). And I also said one can pray to Allah directly. Its just like asking Allah directly for a good wife OR asking a muslim to ask Allah for you.
Brother, you should know one more thing. When you call me a mushrik for believing tawassul to be allowed you are also indirectly calling Ibn Hajar, Imam al-Nawawi, al-Subki, al-Haytami, al-Shawkani, Ibn Kathir, Ibn al-Jawzi, Al-Hafiz al-Dhahabi etc mushrikeen! And the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) said:
``No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.''(Bukhari, Book 78, ch. 44).
It's intension if you know in your heart Allah is the decision maker then tawassul is not shirk at all. Who ever says it is be aware of what you say because you are going to be held accountable for all the people who believe you.
a4fkntrippen 2 months ago
I can't post this video on FB because wahhabis have reported it as being 'abusive'... alsong with MANY other videos so FB has blocked them! Wahhabi Cowards fear the truth!
MissConceptions1 7 months ago
ni sufis sejer att ibn taymiyah var den första som var emot tawassul ; Imâm Abû Hanîfah (rahimahullâh) – dog 150 H, 511 år före Imâm Ibn Taymiyyahs födsel, 661 H – sade: ”Det är förbjudet att säga: ”Jag ber Dig vid den och den” eller ”vid Dina profeter och sändebud…” Sharh al-´Aqîdah at-Tahâwiyyah, sid. 334, av Imâm Ibn Abîl-´Izz al-Hanafî, Sharh al-Fiqh al-Akbar, sid. 198, av ´Allâmah ´Alî al-Qârî al-Hanafî.
hunker87 9 months ago
@hunker87 Nej, vi säger inte detta. Det vi säger är att Wahhabiter är de enda som ansett tawassul vara shirk. Abu Hanifa sa aldrig att det är shirk!
mainstreamIslam 9 months ago
It's a strange thing to say seeking help from the dead is shirk, because they can't help you, but from the living is fine, because they can. NO one can help you accept Allah. Dead or alive is irrelevant. Are those who claim it's shirk if the person is dead, guilty themselves of shirk when they say the living can help? Certainly not! Something is not right here.
We one makes tawassul, one seeks the help of Allah through the position and rank a person has with Him, and His love for this person.
Synergistik 9 months ago
kuffars!!!
Anonymous01011 11 months ago
@Anonymous01011
who are kuffar? Those who perform Tawassul? if yes, why?
DaKosovali 11 months ago
The Quran is written in Arabic not English. Words could be out if context? As there is really a 100% accurate English to Arabic translation???
Mrpolice333 1 year ago
NO asking your mother for prayers is absolutely opposite to asking Prophets for prayers. Because when one asks his her mother for prayers, She is alive & there to pray for her child. No body in his/her right minds will go to her dead mother's grave & ask her to do prayers for him/her.
You can ask me to pray for you & i can ask you the same. The problem is when we ask for prayers from a dead person.
Peace
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 all your objections have been answerd on the video and in the comments. But thanks for trying your best.
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago 5
@mainstreamIslam well i am still waiting XD
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 What are you waiting for? I told you where the answer to your question is. Just wtch the video and then relate to my answers, and stop repeating yourself like a parrot.
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago 6
@mainstreamIslam
Assalamu alaykum
May Allah reward you for defending tawassul. Something nobody classified as shirk before Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. .
btw, Can you please tell me who is reciting Qasida Burda, and if it is available on youtube?
Wassalam
EngjellAlbani 1 year ago
@0515524847
The Prophets (peace upon them) are alive. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
'The Prophets are ALIVE in their graves, praying to their Lord'
Naasruddien Albani (wahabi imam) classified it as Sahih: Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah (#621).
Your own Shaykh said it's Sahih and you say the Prophet (peace be upon him) is dead.
hytata 1 year ago 2
@0515524847 Every Prophet and saint is alive as Quran 2:154 says that do not call a marytr dead, although you think he's dead, you perceive it not. And a martyr is a person doing Jih'ad and struggle, and dies during it. And these saints do Jihad to make people come towards Islam (Prophet Muhammad (SAW), All other 123999 prophets, and saints like Mevlana Rumi, Data Hajweri, Ajmer Sharif, Ahmed Shah Masood, Shahbaz Qalander. made struggle and are alive in thier graves.
nawazsucks 3 months ago
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
'The Prophets are ALIVE in their graves, praying to their Lord'
Albani (leader of the wahabis) classified this Hadith as Sahih, see in: Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah (#621).
Why are they still saying that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is dead, while their 'big' shaikh classified the Hadith above as Sahih? Are they going against their own 'Sheikh ul Islaam'? It is Albani, the one who corrected Imam Bugari (rahimullah)...
hytata 1 year ago
As for seeking rescue from the dead, from the Prophets and other than them, it is not permissible and it is from the Major Shirk. As for seeking rescue from the one who is alive and present (in the vicinity), and seeking rescue from him in that which he is capable of, then there is no harm in that, due to the saying of Allaah, the Sublime, "The man of his (own) party asked him (fastaghaathahu) for help against his foe." (al-Qasas 28:15).
killa4489 1 year ago
@killa4489 Please watch the video and then try to say the same thing. In the video I try to prove that:
1. Tawassul is not, as you say: “seeking rescue from the dead”. It is turning to Allah trough the mediation of another. Just like when you ask your mother to pray for you. The Prophet (‘alaihi alsalaam) is not dead in the sense of being unconscious and unaware. The proof for that is the first hadith I quote in the video. And remember its only Allah that answers the prayers
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago
2. There are a lot of hadith that prove that the sahaba made tawassul before and after the Prophet lived among them. Just see the video and you will come to know that inshaAllah.
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago 2
In the Name of Allaah, the Most Merciful... May His Salaat and Salaam be upon His Messenger...
Allaah the Most High has said, what means:
"Surely you can not make those in the graves hear" (Faatir 35:22)
So here is the general rule - the dead do not hear, as stated clearly by the Knower of all things.
killa4489 1 year ago
@killa4489 Dear brother in Islam, you should read the tafsir of that verse. Imam ibn kathir says concerning it: “but you cannot make hear those who are in graves.” means, `just as the dead cannot benefit from guidance and the call to truth after they have died as disbelievers and ended up in the graves, so too you cannot help these idolators who are decreed to be doomed, and you cannot guide them.'
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago
It is clear from the words of ibn kathir that the hearing of that verse means guidance (hedayah) (the prophet(alayhi salaat wa salaam) can not guide them because they died as kuffar) and not that they can not hear us. So ibn Kathir explains that the hearing in this verse is the guidance. And as you know after a person dies a kafir he cannot be guided anymore and it’s too late to repent.
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago
Moreover Imam Suyuti says in his Al-hawi lil Fatawa, vol. 2 p. 169-175: "It is an Allegorical statement (an-Nafi Ja'a ala m'ana al -Majaz). The Real meaning of this is that: "They cannot listen to Guidance (Ma'naha Sama' Huda) i.e. they are dead and cannot be guided anymore."
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago
Very good presentation for the innocent muslims,
Thank you very much!!!!!!
May Allah shower all his blessing on you & your team by intersession of His beloved Prophet PEACE BE UPON HIM.
JAZAKALLAHU KHAIR..........
waseem0609 1 year ago
Inshallah this will help:
/watch?v=ySXzyN90Ve0
nomi589 1 year ago
it is true the prophets (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon them) have a higher position in the afterlife than the martyrs, however the prophets (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon them) nor pious people (i.e. pirs/murshid) have not been mentioned in this verse 2:154 here solely "shuhada" have been mentioned no prophets (pbut) or pirs, so why make outright blatent innovations. Will you stay arrogant in your ways and earn Allah's anger when the truth is there and clear
0526789100 1 year ago
@0526789100 You should study some ususl al-fiqh and tafsir so that you will understand why this analogy is valid.
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago
It has been narrated on the authority of Masruq Who said: We asked 'Abdullah about the Qur'anic verse: "Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord" (Qur'an 3:169). He said: We asked the meaning of the verse (from the Holy Prophet) who said: The souls of the martyrs live in the bodies of green birds who have their nests in chandeliers hung from the throne of the Almighty.
0526789100 1 year ago
The point is... they went to an extreme in constriction in order to root out an extreme in too liberal an attitude.
Most of the outrageous practices that shocked these people are rooted in Da'if or even mawdu' hadiths. And while they can be used to justify the Fada'il, opening the door unconditionally lets in a flood of insanity.
But closing the door makes Islam nothing but a Talmud-like nightmare with no color and no life for the spirit.
Balance and tolerance people.
rightlyguidedsinner 1 year ago
Great video!
A wise position for people who firmly believe in Tawassul and tasawwuf as mainstream Islam, NOT some extra separate option, is to realize that there has always been a tug-of-war in Islam (even in all of the religious sciences) between those who have more rigid constrictive views, and those who don't.
You have to know what it is that Al Albanee was witnessing in Egypt, and Abdal Wahhab in the East. Snake charmers, belly dancers, dog and cock fights at the grave sites of our Ulema.
rightlyguidedsinner 1 year ago
if the prophet pbuh prophesised about the wahhabis then they must be corrupt i dont think wahhabis read hadiths very often they are there to corrupt our religion i dont regard them as muslims abdul wahhab is a satans horn as said in a hadith or hadiths so whoever has got him down as someone good then im afraid you are sleeping so wake up and start educating yourself.
machine9191 1 year ago
MashAllah excellent video.
I ask my brother, when you are sick, do you just sit at home and ask for Allah to cure you and say "Ya Shafee!"?
Or do you go to a doctor understanding that Allah has allowed you to seek this as a means to achieving a cure?
What about reaching Allah in the spiritual sense? We use the Quran, we use salaat, we use the Prophet, and we use his family to reach Allah (swt).
ShiaAfghan 1 year ago
@EesaaibnJames are u sure?
DrakyGordon 1 year ago
Good video, please can you give me the link to the nasheed, i know it is Qasida Muahmadiyya/Qasida Burdah but please can you give me the link beacuase i love this version :)
ashmoro 1 year ago
tawassul is pefectly allowed in islam wahhabis have such corrupted beliefs that cannot agree with the truth they are trying to remove the love of the prophet out of our hearts
machine9191 1 year ago
salaam i would like to say that allah always helps through prophets and saints ive had an experience to prove this myself and in my opinion you are allowed to make tawassul i am with the idea beacause our duas are not accepted quickley so through tawassul is a quicker way to have your duas accepted.
salaam
machine9191 1 year ago
BarakaAllahou fyk :)
ahlsunnawaljamaa 1 year ago
Quran Chapter 34 verse 23:
"No intercession can avail in His Presence, except for those for whom He has granted permission. So far (is this the case) that, when terror is removed from their hearts (at the Day of Judgment, then) will they say, 'what is it that your Lord commanded?' they will say, 'That which is true and just; and He is the Most High Most Great'."
rabbaniqadri 1 year ago
Quran Chapter 34 verse 23:
"No intercession can avail in His Presence, except for those for whom He has granted permission. So far (is this the case) that, when terror is removed from their hearts (at the Day of Judgment, then) will they say, 'what is it that your Lord commanded?' they will say, 'That which is true and just; and He is the Most High Most Great'."
rabbaniqadri 1 year ago
SubahanALLAH MashALLAH very nice video jazkaALLAHir for your post
rabbaniqadri 1 year ago
Imam Abu Hanifah only declared tawassul disliked if one made it in the wording of "bihaq al-nabiy" or "by the right of the prophet upon you." He didn't actually declare tawassul itself to be disliked.
Nice video.
TheCreedofIslam 2 years ago
As for myself, I take the ayat from the Quran in which Allah states: " 'Ud'uni Astajib lahum"
Thus, in my opinion, there is no need for the complication of the pathway to Allah, even if it leads to the same place.
q0408099 2 years ago
To address all the haters: Please do not use "Salafi" as a derrogatory term as I would not use the word Sufi to delineate those deviants who claim to be Sufi. As a person who follows the Salaf, I believe tawassul is PERMISSABLE; however, only if it is done flawlessly in the aspect of recognizing that it is ALLAH who fulfills the need. This can be easily misinterpreted b y those whose knowledge in the deen is not as developed, and furthermore, there is NO OBLIGATION whatsoever to partake in it
q0408099 2 years ago
I think that "salafis" despise Tawassul because of this hadith in particular.
(The Prophet) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our Yemen." People said, "Our Najd as well." The Prophet again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and Yemen." They said again, "Our Najd as well." On that the Prophet said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan."
Crunchybear1 2 years ago
Brother Crunchybear1, this line of reasoning is fallacious as you cannot pinpoint as to what the Prophet himself was specifically alluding to. (I would argue the House of Saud) Secondly, you cannot take this hadeeth to categorically laud or condemn any school of thought, as exceptions exist. For example, Musailama Al Kadhaab was from....YEMEN, Anwar al Awlaki (may Allah guide him back to the straight path) is from.... YEMEN and so on.
q0408099 2 years ago
what do u mean by may Allah guide imam anwar back?? he is guided!
striving4Rahman 2 years ago
Very Very good collection, Subhan Allah wahhabis have been brainwashed to think its shirk, they just accept their scholars to be wrong.
I would like to add a hadith narrated by al-hakim, Tabaraniyy in Mu`jam alKabir and in Mu`jam alAwsat that Anas ibn Malik said when Imam Ali's mother passed away and was being buried The Prophet said "O Allah i ask you by my virtue and the virtue of the Prophets before me that you forgive her"
This is the Prophet making Tawassul by the Prophets before him
Brotherofheart 2 years ago
so if the "salafis" are right then over 1000 years of Muslim scholars were all kaffirs and mushriks.. damn.
SurahTaHaForever 2 years ago 8
2) TAWASSUL by means of a righteous action which the person who is supplicating has done. There occurs the hadeeth of the companions of the cave (reported by Bukhari and Muslim), where they called upon Allaah in reference to a righteous action they had done and said O Allaah if I did that seeking Your Face then release us from the situation we are in.
TM15C 2 years ago
There are 3 prescribed forms of Tawassul (seeking a means of nearness to Allaah):
1) TAWASSUL by means of the names and attributes of Allaah. Allaah says in the Quraan: And (all) the Most Beautiful Names belong to Allâh, so call on Him by them..Al-A'raf 7:180.
TM15C 2 years ago
Jazak Allah Khair brother! If only people would take their deen from the universally accepted scholars of Islam, rather than "self-appointed" "scholars/shuyukh" (I use those terms very loosely), the Umma would not be in the situation it finds itself in today.
hasanalbosni 2 years ago
If only I could thumb your comment up 10 times more.
iostream1 2 years ago
the tawasul thing is all misunderstood by muslims, same is hajj, coz muslims now make hajj in 10 days, even though God says "alhajj ashhor ma3loumat"! and all this hadith things, forget about it, follow only the quran, sunna and this hadiths is all crazy!full of contradictions.God promised to maintain the quran not the sunnah, isnt that enough for you?!memorize the qurasn first before reading all these silly books of hadith!
zilichservia 2 years ago
The beloved Prophet (pbuh) said:
"The Jews were split up into 71 or 72 sects; the Christians were split up into 71 or 72; and my community will be split up into 73 sects" Narrated by Abu Hurayrah
Allah (Subhana wa Ta'ala) says:
"Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did" Al-Anaam (6):159
The Prophet could intercede, not through man, but through Angels
blaky 2 years ago
According to the ahadith the prophet (alaihi salaam) himself intercede. What is your proofs that its only through the angles?
mainstreamIslam 2 years ago
What an idiot.. May Allah guide you and remove the vails of ignorance.. In Islam we don't need to debate on any matter, we form together on whatever Allah (The All-Knower) has said:
"If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah (Quran) and His Messenger (Sunna), if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day." Surat An-Nisa (4):59
We read everyday in Surat Al-Fatiha:
"You ALONE we worship and YOU ALONE we ASK FOR HELP"
Do you wish to follow your fathers or your LORD?
blaky 2 years ago
And that was exactly what I did in the video. I used quran and ahadith to prove my case. And yes, we only pray to Allah. You obviously dident even watch the video.
mainstreamIslam 2 years ago
Nauzubillah... Clearly you do not ONLY pray to Allah (The provider).. You pray to a Messenger of Allah just like the practices of the Christians.. You have created a partner (which is the worst of sins and will not be forgiven on the Day)
"And if you don't know, now you know..."
trulgn 2 years ago
As I have pointed out in the video, we do not pray to other than Allah, that is shirk. Muslims have been making tawassul troughout our history. It was only when ibn Abdulwahhab came on the scene that it was declared shirk for the first time. You cannot find even one scholar before him that ever called tawassul shirk, although there where scholars who said it is haram (but never shirk). What you are saying is a new thing, and its only bacause you follow the sect of wahhabis.
mainstreamIslam 2 years ago
Pfft, quoting a dead 'gangster' lyricist isn't going to get you anywhere.
iostream1 2 years ago
@trulgn In Tuwassul its never the case of praying to anybody else other then ALLAH swt but its way of makeing a duwa to ALLAH swt through his Prophet SAW.. or Asking Ya ALLAH forgive and help me for the sake of your Rasool SAW... now tell did i do shirk in this duwa? if you dont understand this that means you wahabis Neo fake salafis are just thick heads so im sorry thats how ALLAH swt have made yous...
rabbaniqadri 1 year ago
@rabbaniqadri, Asalam bro. when you make this type of du'a, it is empty because the statue of the Prophet(saw) has nothing to do with you and Allah. It would be better for you to make Tawassul to Allah through His Names. Ya Allah you are AL-GHAFFAR (The Forgiver) and You Like those who turn to You for Forgiveness so Forgive me. Brother Don't be offended, We Pray to Allah that He gives us Knowledge so that we are able to follow anly that which is correct. ameen.
Hamzabadhwal 1 year ago
@trulgn In Tuwassul its never the case of praying to anybody else other then ALLAH swt but its way of makeing a duwa to ALLAH swt through his Prophet SAW.. or Asking Ya ALLAH forgive and help me for the sake of your Rasool SAW... now tell did i do shirk in this duwa? if you dont understand this that means you wahabis Neo fake salafis are just thick heads so im sorry thats how ALLAH swt have made yous..
rabbaniqadri 1 year ago
@mainstreamIslam u can't defend urself whoever u are...the sunnah of the companions is not to pray to the dead..none of the companions did it, and Muhammad sallallahu'alaihiwasallam forbid such thinks even in his death bed...May Allah guide us from such deviance...
DrakyGordon 1 year ago
@DrakyGordon Yes you’re right. Off course, the companions never prayed to anyone other than Allah. That’s shirk (may Allah protect us)! But here we are talking about tawassul and not du’a. Why did you not watch the video? In the video I quoted ahadith from the companions who did make tawassul when they visited the grave of the Prophet (alayhi ssalam). Watch the video again my friend, and specifically watch after 3:15 min.
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago
@mainstreamIslam Also, no one calls himself a Wahhabi Astagfirullah. its a name which the Sufis attribute to the people who follow the Manhaj of Muhammad ibnu Abdul Wahhab. And Al-Wahhab is an Attribute of Allah. Lets not play with the name of The Almighty brother...its a dangerous game we are playing. Its not worth it at all..i suggest we seek knowledge from the right source. U can ask me if u have any doubts i can only direct u, and i will be more than happy to do so for the sake of Allah.
DrakyGordon 1 year ago
@DrakyGordon So now you change the topic from ahadith about tawassul to semantics. You know what is more serious than calling “salafis” wahhabis, in spite of the wish? I will tell you…. It’s calling the majority of the umma for the past 1000 year’s mushrikeen because they approved of tawassul. Calling Muslims mushrikeen and killing their men and enslaving their women (and this is what ibn Abdulwahhab did) is worse than calling him and his followers wahhabis.
mainstreamIslam 1 year ago
Read the following verse from the Holy Quran:
O you who believe! Fear Allah and seek a means (wasila) to him.
—Surah al-Ma'ida, V: 35
safyanshah 2 years ago
Allah is the all living, all hearing, the forgiver, the hidden, the obvious, the intercessor, the concealer
and etc.... when you read in the Quran that we are from Allah and to him is our return. We are returning to all that which Allah swt describe himself. And as such he describes his prophet. The verses are too many to mention just read quran and think about the station of Man when all the angels prostrated be4 him and Allah glorified himself for man's creation.
feesabeal 2 years ago
Asalamualaykum, the brother has in this video shown the possition of some of the greatest ulama in our religions history on tawassul. And he has given us REFERENCES. If anybody wants to refute that, please leave a reference and bring your proof from ANY ulama before Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab, that claims that it is shirk. Please do this instead of indirectly accusing thousands of ulama of major shirk.
mumadone 2 years ago
another thing, the hadith about LA ILAHA ILLALLAH on the throne of Allah
- that is a WEAK hadith
tlascar 2 years ago
Well, the hadith is sahih according to the greatest scholars of hadith like: Al-hakim, Al-Subki, Ibn al-Jawzi, Qadi Iyad, Al-Bulqini etc.
See minute 6:45 in the video for the refenerce.
mainstreamIslam 2 years ago
im confused, Yasir Qadhi in a book said it was a weak, and he is a trusted scholar these days
tlascar 2 years ago
This is nothing new and shouldent make you confused. Scholars have always differd on what ahadith are sahih. It depends on their criterions.
mainstreamIslam 2 years ago
u cant just take one ayah and base your life around it....
the shuhada's souls are not in their bodies, but they are in Jannah at the moment! (enjoying)
tlascar 2 years ago
Yes your right. I quoted the ayah inorder to show that we should not CALL them dead. I quoted alot of quran and hadith.
PS. Who said that we believe one should base his life around tawassul? We dont even say tawassul is wajib.
mainstreamIslam 2 years ago
One other thing: Do you know what type of style is the Burdah being sung in the video?
m2k41 2 years ago
Jazak'Allah khair brother. Keep up the good work!
m2k41 2 years ago
Mas-Allah brother good work to present QURANIC aqaids and sunnas...Jazak-Allah Khaira!
May Allah give aal people tofeeq to understand the Muqaam-e-Mustafa Sallalahoalahiwasalam And Aoulia!
RealNoorTv 3 years ago
This matter can be easily dealt with a few verses from the Quran. Abraham said he will pray for forgiveness from His Lord for his father's idolatry. Yusuf's brothers asked their father to repent for them from His Lord for what they did to Yusuf. barakAllah feek for the video.
TrustInIslam 3 years ago
good point brother.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
Thank you and barakAllah feek.
TrustInIslam 3 years ago
wow.. the proof is irrefutable!!!!!!!! You cant touch this man!!!!!!
OneUniversalCreed 3 years ago 2
look at the prophet as an example as all muslims should do, he neva once prayed to any of the prophets b4 him he only asked help n guidence from AllAH
may Allah guide these people commiting major shrik to the straight path. AMEEN
HG1345 3 years ago
That is a bad analogy. First of all, the Prophet(alaihi salaam) is higher in status than any other prophet, so he dont need to make tawassul by them, but the other prophets did tawassul through him. Did you for example read the hadith in the video where Adam made tawassul through the Prophet(alaihi salaam)? And second the Prophet(alaihi salaam) DID teach us to make tawassul through him! You obviously did not even watch the video. But thankyou for the comment.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
pure shirk the reson is Allah says in the opening of teh quran the dua all muslims must read when praying surah Al Fathiha ' IT IS YOU WE WORSHIP AND YOU WE ASK FOR HELP, GUIDE US TO THE STRAIGHT PATH'.
no where in the ahadith or quran does it mention pray 2 d prohets abt intermediaries.
the great intercession on the day of judgement is the only place where the prophet pbuh will interceed 4 us.
HG1345 3 years ago
Yes, we must only pray to and worship Allah. I have said this 100 times now, but I obviously need to say it again: tawassul is NOT the praying to other than Allah, that is shirk (as you correctly say)! As for your second question: if you had watched the video you would have known.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
are u saying u pray to muhammed pbuh to forgive ur sins too?
PrInCeSsuk8 3 years ago
No I am not...that is shirk...only Allah can forgive sins....but they can ask the prophet(alaihi salaam) to ask Allahs forgivness for them, like the Qur'an say: "If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah.s forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them[wa istaghfara lahom al-rasool], they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful." (4:64)
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
1st al-Quran. Others 2nd.
AntiSyirik 3 years ago
Nicely explained. & I agree with you.
TrustInIslam 3 years ago
everyones a shayk without any elementary understanding of what there nafs are doing to them. they think it is deen to insult and humiliate others understanding withouth fully understanding themselves. like parrots or brainwashed mindslaves repeating what there learned shayks taught them withouth any understanding from themselves.
yournotintelligent 3 years ago
yes i agree, some muslims have unfortunately done this and is still doing it. May Allah ta3aala guide us all.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
Tawassul is asking someone closer to Allah to grant us.. It is just what happens in our normal lives.. If we want medicine, we go to doctor..
It is not rejecting Allah or attributing partners. We Sunnis know the Source of help, but make request to the Source through someone closer to the Source.
The christians ask Jesus saying he is God himself, not a prophet.
We ask saying that ALLAH is ONLY God, and Prophets are Prophets, Saints are Saints.
eworlder 3 years ago
no this is the same
PrInCeSsuk8 3 years ago
barakallah fiik, May ALLAH reward you and help us against the wahhabis/salafis.
Takillah 3 years ago
subhanualla what nonsense!
ASA753 3 years ago
yes this is not right to have intermediatories christians have priests!!!
PrInCeSsuk8 3 years ago
Yes they do have priests.....and?!?!?!?!
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
christians belive in the trinity...3 in 1 idea...but how can a wahabi justify tawasul amounts to shirk? if it were up2 them im sure they would have desacrated the prophets grave by now! astagfirullah..ibn abdul wahab has blood on his hands..you need to read about his history from impartial sources and you will see what a fool he was...british used him to do the dirty work! the devil of najd. btw does any one know where is he buried?
chishty786 3 years ago
Masha Allâh
talealbedru 3 years ago
And rather than use weak and fabricated hadiths for evidence, show me ONE verse in Allah's Book wherein he states that we can call upon a person who has DIED (as the Prophet, peace be upon him, did) for intercession. Such does not exist.
The Muslim Ummah today is a humiliated community because they have followed the Jews and Christians in matters such as this. This criticism isn't directed at you personally, but at the cultures that taught you these beliefs.
MustafaSpeaks 3 years ago 4
If you had bothered watching the video you would have seen that I presented the classification of the top scholars to every hadith I mentioned. So if you have any issue with that you should try to become as knowledgeable as the scholars I mentioned and then refute them!
Im sorry I cant answer your strange request by presenting a verse from the Qur'aan that "states that we can call upon a person who has DIED". Its like me asking you to show me a verse that says we must pray 4 rak'a at zuhr.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
That is a terrible analogy. There is no verse in the Qur'an forbidding us to pray 4 rakaat at zuhr, but there are MANY verses in the Qur'an forbidding us to call upon ANYONE other than Allah, for any reason. So the Qur'anic rule is that we cannot do so. You claim that we can---so where is the verse that makes the exception?
Why take a chance losing your soul if not doing so will gain you no harm? That's quite a gamble!
MustafaSpeaks 3 years ago 6
And there is no verse in the Qur'aan forbidding tawassul. But there is as you say many verses forbidding prayers to other than Allah.
Allah even encourage us to use wasila(means) to approach Him: "O you who believe! Fear Allah and seek a means (wasila) to him"(Surah al-Ma'ida: 35).
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
And in this verse Allah encouraged people to ask the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) to pray for them:
"If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked Allah's forgiveness and the Messenger of Allah had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed forgiving and Most Merciful".(Surah al-Nisa: 64).
And do you see how stupid it is to ask "why not pray to Allah directly?" when Allah himself asked people to use the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) as mediator.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
If that is what this verse means, then logically we should use the Prophet as mediator for everything. Would you accept that? And if not, why not?
The point is, you call upon Allah all the time---yet at some point that's not good enough, so you use a "mediator." Why? Do you think you'll get better results?
Why don't you just admit that maybe you think Allah is just too Great to listen to us---but he'll listen to the Prophet, right?
MustafaSpeaks 3 years ago 6
You asked: "...we should use the Prophet as mediator for everything. Would you accept that? And if not, why not?".
As I have said in the video its not wajib to make tawassul.
I have told you that tawassul is like asking your parents or pious muslims to pray for you. Its not wajib to do that, but its more likely that their prayers get answerd. So you can ask them to pray to Allah or you can ask Allah yourself. Both are permissible. Do you get it?
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
I understand the argument, I just don't agree with it. Nothing personal.
MustafaSpeaks 3 years ago 5
Al7amdulillah. Its fine to disagree, some scholars did, but they never called it shirk. That is the difference between them and the wahhabis/salafis.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
so what makes you any different to the christians?
at least Jesus (pbuh) is still alive (although it is STILL shirk) Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is dead.
Quran 39:43-44"Or choose they intercessors other than Allah? Say: Even though they (those who they choose as intercessors) have power over nothing and have no intelligence?"
3:160 If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust.
ASA753 3 years ago 2
Many points to answer, why dont you ask a question at the time?
1. The difference between muslim tawassul and the christian is that they pray to Jesus(3alayhi salaam) as God, and believe that he can answer prayers. Muslims only ask the Prophet(3alayhi salaah) as the slave of Allah to ask Allah, all this while knowing that only Allah answers the prayers.
PS. Allah says we must not call the shuhada dead and you call the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) dead?!?!
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
2. Concerning the verse 39:43-44 it is about those who worship the intercessors as gods. See the tafsir.
We know for sure that Allah allowes some people the status of intercession. Im sure you have read ayatul kursi when Allah say: "Who is there can intercede in His presence EXCEPT AS HE PERMITTETH?"(2:255). And as I said before we all agree that the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) will intercede for the muslims on jawm al-qeyaamah.
So therefor the verse you quoted can not be applied in this way.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
3. Concerning the verse 3:160 I really dont see your point! In what way does this verse refute tawassul?
And let their be no doubt its is Allah alone who answers all prayers and all intercession.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
Regarding the Prophet's intercession on the Day of Judgement---we will be in his physical presence and will go to him directly to ask.
Which brings up the issue of proximity: Are you claiming that you can address the Prophet from any location or at his gravesite only? And if so, how loudly must you speak for him to hear? If you're 100 feet away can he understand? And must you speak his form of Arabic? What if you mispronounce a word and he doesn't understand you?
MustafaSpeaks 3 years ago 2
Yes you can adress the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) from any location.
In a Sahih Hadith narrated by Abu Dawud, Nasai, Ibn Majah, Ahmad,Tabarani, and others, The Prophet said what means that one should say increase the saying of salawat on the day of Jumu`ah as this will be presented to the him. Then the Sahabah asked the Prophet how their salawat was going to be presented to him after he had died and his body is no longer existent, and the Prophet replied that:
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
"Allah has made it haram (forbidden) for the earth to consume the bodies of the Prophets".
In another hadith: "I will hear the salawat recited at my grave, I will be INFORMED of the salawat recited at a DISTANCE".
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
even though christians believe he is god, they used him as a mediator to god the 'father', they also used Mary (pbuh) the dead and saints to interseed for them, so it's no different to what you claim.
it would make more sense to have Jesus mediate coz he is alive but even then it is major shirk.
the dead are dead they can do nothing for us not even to mediate.
the Quran is quite clear on this issue.
Assalamu Alaikum
ASA753 3 years ago
I told you what the difference is.
1. They worship the mediator as god.
2. They believe the mediator can answer prayers himself.
3. They pray in the name of the mediator("in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit").
4. They dont ask the mediator to ask God, but rather ask the mediator directly.
Yes the Qur'aan is clear on this issue.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
i used to be a christian i am now Muslim Allhumdullila, i know well how christians worship. they most definately ask others to mediate between them and God that is a fundamental fact about christianity in particular all the non protestant sects!
'They worship the mediator as god'... as you claim, makes no sence because he then is the worshiped no longer classified a 'mediator' for he is not mediating but being worshiped.
ASA753 3 years ago
tell that to the christians!
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
cont'd.
'holy Mary mother of God pray for our sins now and at the hour of our death'
this is just one common prayer they use there are hundreds more on top of the worshipers private pray to Mary, saints the dead person to ask god for this and that on their behalf.
protestant groups pray to Jesus as 'god'.
the mere fact you even talk to these dead is shirk wether you are asking direct for whatever or you ask to mediate for you all 'shirk'
ASA753 3 years ago
I have now told you over 3 times that tawassul is not prayers to anyone besides Allah. Im tired of saying this! And do you call the sahaba mushrik that made tawassul through the Prophet(3alayhi al-salaatu wa al-salaam)?
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
Ok..I pray you see the error my Brother/Sister
Ramadan Mubarak.
Assalamu Alaikum
ASA753 3 years ago
jazakAllah khair for your prayers.
Ramadaan mobarak to you also.
wa 3alaikomos salaam
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
cont'd.
did Mohammad (pbuh) pray to the dead or saints pious person to ANYONE besides Allah (swt) ....? no.... that's all the answer you need, if he had done it well i am here to try and reason with you for nothing but the fact is he did not do it.
ASA753 3 years ago
No the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) never prayed to a dead person(or anything besides Allah). Thats shirk and everyone who does that is a mushrik!
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
haha ur off ur head
Moh0707 3 years ago
Why can't you be satisfied with calling upon Allah alone? Allah doesn't need intermediaries---he sees and hears all things. I would reconsider your opinion in this matter and stop labeling anyone who opposes this "wahhabi."
MustafaSpeaks 3 years ago 3
If you mean praying by your word "calling" then I would agree and say that YES WE MUST ONLY CALL UPON ALLAH. But If you mean using a intermediary then I would say that it is permissible. Just like it is permissible to ask a pious person to pray for you.
I definitely dident call "anyone who opposes this(tawassul)`wahhabi`" I clearly said in the video(that you never saw) that their is a difference of opinion in the matter and a muslim can either do or not do tawassul but dont call it shirk!
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
And by the way noone ever said Allah NEED intermediaries. But HE does allow intercession. Im sure not even the most hardline salafi would deny that the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) will intercede for the muslims on jawm al-qeyaamah. So its just strange to write what you wrote. Its like someone saying: "why should we pray to Allah when HE dont need our prayers".
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
First, you began your video by stating that you were refuting the wahabbis.
Your analogy that tawassul to the dead is the same as having your mother pray for you would only be relevant if your mother is dead. Also, except for the Prophets, those you call upon in their graves may be at the time receiving the punishments of the grave for all you know, so how can they help you if they can't help themselves?
MustafaSpeaks 3 years ago 3
Yes I refuted the wahhabis/salafis when they say that it is shirk. Do you see the difference?
I gave many ahadith that the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) is our intermediary in this world and the next. And also ahadith about the sahaba making tawassul through the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) after him passing away.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
nice video...it still seems these wahabis have bricks for brains! lol
chishty786 3 years ago
what wahabis...? no such thing this is what the enemies of Islam have put on us to divide us don't fall for it my dear brother/sister.
ASA753 3 years ago
even if you dont approve of this, the fact still remains: the wahhabis follow the methodology of Muhammed ibn 3abdulwahhab!
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
all he did was bring the people back from the ignorance of using the dead as mediators, he helped bring them back to the true Islam as Allah (swt) and Mohammad (pbuh) intended.
the enemies of Islam label and divide us and some Muslims went along with it, what better way to conquer by dividing us.
Allah gave us ONE deen Islam; he called us Muslims nothing else no wahabis shia sufi salafi nothing.... we are muslims.
ASA753 3 years ago
It was him that divided the muslims. Look at what is going on in our masaajids now. Muslims fight over how long pants they wear.
It was him that killed the muslim men and enslaved their women and children.
It was the British that used to fulfill their motto: "divide and conquer". The British were laughing at Muhammad Ibn 'Abdi-l-Wahhab looting, and killing Muslims in the name of Islam, causing Muslims in Mecca to resort to eating dogs.
ooohhhh what a great man he was!
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
SUnhanAllah! JazakAllah Khair for the vid.
xiffyx 3 years ago
SubhaanAllah JazakAllah bro 4 the upload! May Allah bestow HIS blessings upon u, Ameen
AashiqueRasool 3 years ago
if u need something u just ask allah. u don't need anybody.
allah alone unswers your prayers.
may allah guide us all
karimgenerous 3 years ago 2
Yes we must always ask Allah, but one can also do that through the mediation of a holy person, your good deeds etc.
And yes, without doubt Allah alone answers prayers. Have the scholars ever said differently? If anyone believe that any other than Allah can answer prayers is a kafir.
Now let me ask you something....have you ever asked anyone to pray for you? If yes, then why dident you just pray to Allah directly yourself? Tawassul is just like that!
Ameen, may Allah guide us both.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
you don't go and ask dead people for help
karimgenerous 3 years ago
I agree, its shirk to ask a dead person for help. Only Allah answers prayers. But asking a deceased holy person to ask Allah is not shirk. Do you understand the difference or should I just keep repeating myself in every reply? The permissibility of using a deceased person as mediator is proven by the ahadith I have quote in the video that you obviously never saw.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
only allah knows whether a person was "holly" or not. there's no way anybody could know that except allah.
dead person is *dead* be it holly or not.
karimgenerous 3 years ago 2
But im sure you agree on the Prophet(sallahu 3alayhi wa sallam) being holy.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
the prophet peace be upon him was the servent and the messenger of allah.he is habibo er'rahman.whatever he did it was thanks to allah
what do you mean by holy?
karimgenerous 3 years ago 2
I mean exactly what you mentioned that the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) is.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
Why would you ask anyone else, for anything??
Ask Allah, he is the Only One who can respond to your prayer, he is the one whom you call when you are in distress!
He is the one whom you praise when he rewards you!
When you try to promote such things, it resembles the Christian practice when they ask their priests to forgive them their sins!
Islam = Submission
To whom?
ALLAH, not the Awliyaa!!
Would you call upon sayyidinaa Musa?
PS: "...except they do not respond...", should be CLEAR enough!
koekiedow 3 years ago 2
For the same reason that we ask our parents to pray for us. And again: YES, it is only Allah that responds to prayers, and tawassul is not about praying to anyother than Allah.
Unlike christians we do not pray to or ask forgiveness from any other than Allah.
If you mean praying to by the words "Would you call upon sayyidinaa Musa?" then the answer would be NO, thats shirk.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
U fail 2 understand s.t., Bro. When the Christians say "We believe in God", no one questions thir Christianity. When they say "Jesus is a prophet", still the Christians accept them as their own. When they say "Jesus is His son", still no question arises, and when they finally say "Jesus is Divine", there's still total acceptance.
sumayyah1771 3 years ago 2
hadith Qudusi
[Actions for the sake of Allah only]
Allah Almighty had said:
I am so self-sufficient that I am in no need of having an associate. Thus he who does an action for someone else's sake as well as Mine will have that action renounced by Me to him whom he associated with Me.
It was related by Muslim (also by Ibn Majah).
Text copied from Al-Nasir's Hadith Qudsi DivineIslam (dot) com
karimgenerous 3 years ago 2
JazakAllah khayr, what a beautiful hadith. May Allah ta3aala make us all follow the message of that hadith.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
bro watch out for these people, they use verses that are sent dont for the kafirs and use them on muslims.
It has been said by Abdullah ibn Umar (RA) that Kawarij are so mischievous that they fit those Quranic verses that were revealed about the non-believers on the believers. Just like many of the followers of Abdul Wahab the najdi do today with Muslims opposed to them.
Moh0707 3 years ago
if thats the case then, on the day of judgement, u ask Allah for intersission and dont run to any Prophet.
Moh0707 3 years ago
wallahi you are a real yahil
imadlib 3 years ago
instead of insulting me you could just prove me wrong. So I will wait for your answer.
salaam
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
tabârak wa ta'âlâ):
"Calling, therefore, not a different god at the side of Allâh, in other cases, you will belong to those to be punished." (26:213)
imadlib 3 years ago 4
You obviously did not watch the video. Tawassul is not about praying to any other than Allah. If someone does that he is a mushrik.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
Imâm Muhammad bin 'Abdil-Wahhâb (rahimahullâh) said:
"Hold fast to your knowledge of the issues that cancels a person's Islâm is ten:
The second: Anyone who puts a mediator between himself and Allâh, worship him, asking him if mediation or trust themselves to him, according to the consistency has made Kufr. "[2]
Nawâqidh-ul-Islâm, pp. 258 along with Madjmû 'Mu'allafât-ish-Shaykh Muhammad bin' Abdil-Wahhâb, vol. 6, Dâr-ul-Qâsim
imadlib 3 years ago 5
First of all you know that sunnis dont accept ibn 3abdul wahhabs fataawa. But even if we did, in this statement he is saying those who WORSHIP the mediator, but we do not worship any other than Allah. But let me now ask you something...why do you stick to ibn 3abdul wahhab while ignoring Imam abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi3i, Imam Malik, Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal, Ibn Hajar, Imam al-Nawawi, al-Subki, al-Haytami, al-Shawkani, Ibn Kathir, Ibn al-Jawzi, Al-Hafiz al-Dhahabi. They all permited/recommend tawassul
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
you didn't mention that Ibn Hanbal was jailed and forbidden to hold lecture for 14 years because he stood against the innovators such as those who called for comitting shirk with the meaning of Tawassul.
La ilaaha Illa Allah. I pray to Allah that you stop with this nonsense and come back to ahl as-sunnah wa al-jam3aa. Now I have warned you and asked you to come back and ask forgivness to Allah for abusing his rights to be worshiped alone. So you have no excuses in the day of the deen.
miriad 3 years ago 2
Ahmad ibn Hanbal was tortured because he stood agaist the innovations of the Mu'tazilah, not because he was agaist tawassul. You did not present any proof for your statement. He clearly said in his own book "Manasik" to his student al-Marwazi:
"Let him use the Prophet as a means in his supplication to Allah."
Even your favourite shaykh ibn Taimiyyah recorded him encouraging Tawassul through Rasulullah[3alayhi salaam] in ones du3a.(Fataawa ibn Taimiyyah vol.1 pg.140).
TAWASSUL IS NOT SHIRK
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
To make Tawassul in the manner that you are propagating for is an act of shirk since you pray to a person who can't benefit you nor harm you. you should make Dua for the dead people instead of making the Dua TO them.
Since the prophet mentioned in a hadith that Dua is an act of worship makes tawassul to a dead person an act of worship to the dead one.
You should also read the qur'an more:
"...and behind them is barzakh (a barrier) until the Day when they will be resurrected" 28:100
miriad 3 years ago 3
They me I shouldent debate a salafi because they are so brainwashed. Im starting to think they are right! WHERE IN MY VIDEO DID I SAY ONE SHOULD MAKE DUA TO A DECEASED PERSON?!?!?!?!
First of all you quoted the wrong surah. This verse is in surah Al-Mu'minun and not in surah Al-Qasas!
And second of all, if you would have read it in context it would be clear that the verse is about the barzakh between this world and the next. Meaning that the dead cannot have a second chance.(see Ibn kathir).
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
Yes i wrote the wrong number it is sura 23:100. According to mujaahid barzakh means a barrier between this world and the hereafter, according to ibn Ka'b barzakh is what there is between this world and the hereafter, neither there are people of this world,eating and drinking, nor are the they with the people of the hereafter. This is in Tafsir Ibn Katheer. So the scholars tells us that there is a barrier between us and the dead. Is it too hard to understand?
miriad 3 years ago
And that is exactly what I said the verse mean(based on the tafsir). Yes, there is a barzakh between this world and the world of the dead, we cannot go to them and they cannot come back to life. In what way does this prove me wrong? The fact that the dead cannot come back to this world doesent mean we cannot communicate with them. And that is exactly what the prophet(3alayhi salaam) did in the hadith I quoted in the video. If the dead cannot hear then why did he(3alayhi salaam) talk with them?
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
MainstreamIslam, it seems that something has went wrong with you deen and I hope Allah will guide you to the straight path again. In your vidoe you are propagating and defending an act the prophet said is an act of worshiping (see tirmidhi). So what your video really says is that one should make dua to a dead person in order that the dead person would make dua for one to Allah. Why don't you instead stop with ypur shirk and make dua directly to Allah? is it so complicated?
miriad 3 years ago
JazakAllah khayr for your concern. I also pray that Allah guide me to the straight path everyday, im sure you do also. Now to your objections...
I never said in my video that one should make du3a to a dead person, but rather that one should ASK the Prophet(3alayhi salam) to pray for you to Allah(this is using the words of the scholars quoted in the video). And I also said one can pray to Allah directly. Its just like asking Allah directly for a good wife OR asking a muslim to ask Allah for you.
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago
Brother, you should know one more thing. When you call me a mushrik for believing tawassul to be allowed you are also indirectly calling Ibn Hajar, Imam al-Nawawi, al-Subki, al-Haytami, al-Shawkani, Ibn Kathir, Ibn al-Jawzi, Al-Hafiz al-Dhahabi etc mushrikeen! And the Prophet(3alayhi salaam) said:
``No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.''(Bukhari, Book 78, ch. 44).
So be very careful on this issue!
mainstreamIslam 3 years ago