@patternsinchaos .....some drugs, if not given in very small amounts, make one vomit as prerequisite to the insight they gain. i just like throwing up instead for etiquette purposes here in comments section.
Respond to this video... another thought, if a person is in their right mind and they decide that they want "gifts" to enhance their thinking, or if they see it as helping to gain clarity to their lives, then so be it. the plants that grow in tandem with our lives on this planet at this time may be used to benefit. the vomiting part is just to massively and instantly cleanse the body, preparing it for higher energy vibrations. i am not arguing with you J.
As per "matty", or anyone---- everything one would need to open portals is in the woods already. Chemical induced seeing, or hearing is no substitute for the preparation needed to be invited to see. The force of demanding to be initiated can create a like resistance. it's called regretting a bad trip. I agree that one would need to take great care.
There are many assumptions in Matts video which are inaccurate. I have used hypnotic regression for years to enable clients to free themselves from areas they have become 'stuck' since it has, until that point, remained trapped in the unconscious though still been a driving force in terms of actions. No drug is required to achieve this. The use of hallucinogenic drugs in therapy of any kind, whether it be in more 'conventional' form or self chosen guidance with experienced others should (more)
@Loreleila be used with extreme caution, and in most cases is not wise, particularly with those who have mental health issues as varying brain chemistry can cause such drugs to behave in ways quite other to those of the average psyche. We have a very curious relationship with drugs as societies, either used for a heightened sense and often used recklessly, or placed in the hands of so called professionals who can do untold harm. If the personal journey dictates if the use of such things (more)
@Loreleila that should be down to the individual, and potential risks considered. In such cases it can be truly valuable to have an experienced other present.
@Loreleila RE: "it can be truly valuable to have an experienced other present" I completely agree. But there are different experiences with this substance, as different as our past lives. This is where there is danger in suddenly plugging someone into another time-space. And even if the other is experienced if you suddenly see their past-lives or daemons this is a major wild card. If it's like Hoffman's experience with his neighbor, the patient's going to at least need an escape plan.
@Loreleila Also. I think the biggest issue with this is that there doesn't seem to be any reliable way to achieve informed consent. Since the effects are so intense and diverse, how can someone really know what they are getting?
@patternsinchaos Indeed. They can't. In a way the professional encouraging such is to me an abuse of power. When people come for pyschotherapy they, by the very nature of the process, make themselves vulnerable, and it's the responsibility of the therapist to ensure that is not abused. To suggest such a risky strategy is going to be an abuse, even if unwitting or unintended, at least some of the time. On the other hand making a personal choice to take that risk outside that is another matter.
@Loreleila Outside. LOL Yes. Indeed. :-) I could go on and on about this. And as I mentioned. I'm not an advocate of laws to procure control on these sorts of things. That has caused an even more reprehensible situation here in the US where independent experimenters and government agencies alike commit even more heinous acts in the interest of exploring this territory. Personally, I believe it should be socially policed. That means we have to educate others. Thanks for chiming in on this!
Well said! I read Stanislav Grof's book "The Holotropic Mind" in which he described some experiments he did with people and I think using drugs can only cause more problems for those people. I think hypnosis would be better so people could regress back to those times, without being exposed to any drugs.
@HaleyMary I think it could help some people, but it's too risky because it could also make them much worse. And in either case the effect of having esoteric knowledge and experience is alienating. So even if the patient didn't misinterpret their experiences, if they relive some ancient trauma with no context to heal that could be very bad for them.
Well said! Plus, for me there would be serious trust issues with the lab setting. In spite of the trust one might have for integrity of the write-up, or the lab tech you're interacting with, often studies are blind or double blind. The info given up front about the experiment would then have to be suspect. Who knows what they're REALLY after, or what part you play in it.
Time to be much less trusting of the establishiment, imo. ;)
@theeastwatch As a means to understand the human condition and the nature of consciousness this sort of "re-birthing" experience is invaluable. But it's not something I'd offer someone who's having trouble coping with their present.
...so just be careful and after you finish with the throwing up perhaps your paradigm will shift. hi there heart heart-kath
kaqs8994 6 months ago
@kaqs8994 "throwing up" Kathryn?
patternsinchaos 6 months ago
@patternsinchaos .....some drugs, if not given in very small amounts, make one vomit as prerequisite to the insight they gain. i just like throwing up instead for etiquette purposes here in comments section.
kaqs8994 6 months ago
Respond to this video... another thought, if a person is in their right mind and they decide that they want "gifts" to enhance their thinking, or if they see it as helping to gain clarity to their lives, then so be it. the plants that grow in tandem with our lives on this planet at this time may be used to benefit. the vomiting part is just to massively and instantly cleanse the body, preparing it for higher energy vibrations. i am not arguing with you J.
kaqs8994 6 months ago
@kaqs8994 I was simply trying to understand the comment, K. Thanks for your input! :-)
patternsinchaos 6 months ago
@patternsinchaos laughinggggggggggggg, yes throwing up my arms with hands flailing about
kaqs8994 6 months ago
As per "matty", or anyone---- everything one would need to open portals is in the woods already. Chemical induced seeing, or hearing is no substitute for the preparation needed to be invited to see. The force of demanding to be initiated can create a like resistance. it's called regretting a bad trip. I agree that one would need to take great care.
9macrina9 7 months ago
There are many assumptions in Matts video which are inaccurate. I have used hypnotic regression for years to enable clients to free themselves from areas they have become 'stuck' since it has, until that point, remained trapped in the unconscious though still been a driving force in terms of actions. No drug is required to achieve this. The use of hallucinogenic drugs in therapy of any kind, whether it be in more 'conventional' form or self chosen guidance with experienced others should (more)
Loreleila 7 months ago
@Loreleila be used with extreme caution, and in most cases is not wise, particularly with those who have mental health issues as varying brain chemistry can cause such drugs to behave in ways quite other to those of the average psyche. We have a very curious relationship with drugs as societies, either used for a heightened sense and often used recklessly, or placed in the hands of so called professionals who can do untold harm. If the personal journey dictates if the use of such things (more)
Loreleila 7 months ago
@Loreleila that should be down to the individual, and potential risks considered. In such cases it can be truly valuable to have an experienced other present.
Loreleila 7 months ago
@Loreleila RE: "it can be truly valuable to have an experienced other present" I completely agree. But there are different experiences with this substance, as different as our past lives. This is where there is danger in suddenly plugging someone into another time-space. And even if the other is experienced if you suddenly see their past-lives or daemons this is a major wild card. If it's like Hoffman's experience with his neighbor, the patient's going to at least need an escape plan.
patternsinchaos 7 months ago
@Loreleila Also. I think the biggest issue with this is that there doesn't seem to be any reliable way to achieve informed consent. Since the effects are so intense and diverse, how can someone really know what they are getting?
patternsinchaos 7 months ago
@patternsinchaos Indeed. They can't. In a way the professional encouraging such is to me an abuse of power. When people come for pyschotherapy they, by the very nature of the process, make themselves vulnerable, and it's the responsibility of the therapist to ensure that is not abused. To suggest such a risky strategy is going to be an abuse, even if unwitting or unintended, at least some of the time. On the other hand making a personal choice to take that risk outside that is another matter.
Loreleila 7 months ago
@Loreleila Outside. LOL Yes. Indeed. :-) I could go on and on about this. And as I mentioned. I'm not an advocate of laws to procure control on these sorts of things. That has caused an even more reprehensible situation here in the US where independent experimenters and government agencies alike commit even more heinous acts in the interest of exploring this territory. Personally, I believe it should be socially policed. That means we have to educate others. Thanks for chiming in on this!
cosabio 7 months ago
@cosabio Well said, and you're welcome. :)
Loreleila 7 months ago
I agree. It seems irresponsible, and underestimating the power of the drug
atree3 7 months ago
@atree3 Thought you might feel this way. Thanks for your input.
patternsinchaos 7 months ago
Well said! I read Stanislav Grof's book "The Holotropic Mind" in which he described some experiments he did with people and I think using drugs can only cause more problems for those people. I think hypnosis would be better so people could regress back to those times, without being exposed to any drugs.
HaleyMary 7 months ago
@HaleyMary I think it could help some people, but it's too risky because it could also make them much worse. And in either case the effect of having esoteric knowledge and experience is alienating. So even if the patient didn't misinterpret their experiences, if they relive some ancient trauma with no context to heal that could be very bad for them.
patternsinchaos 7 months ago
Well said! Plus, for me there would be serious trust issues with the lab setting. In spite of the trust one might have for integrity of the write-up, or the lab tech you're interacting with, often studies are blind or double blind. The info given up front about the experiment would then have to be suspect. Who knows what they're REALLY after, or what part you play in it.
Time to be much less trusting of the establishiment, imo. ;)
~♥~
TheseEyesGod 7 months ago
Mind Control at 0:36
norcal81 7 months ago
@norcal81 OBEY
patternsinchaos 7 months ago
If I didn't think you were smarter than me I wouldn't be watching your vids.
Shit's in the world and we and in the world. To suggest a barrier is interesting and perhaps wrong.
barrywilliamsmb 7 months ago
I agree
IrKrash 7 months ago
I dont really understand why anyone would want to relive your birth...
As for the LSD, travel cautiously over bridges that burn behind you.
I think you make a great point about Mind Altering drugs with people with mental disorders or instabilities.
-TEW
theeastwatch 7 months ago
@theeastwatch As a means to understand the human condition and the nature of consciousness this sort of "re-birthing" experience is invaluable. But it's not something I'd offer someone who's having trouble coping with their present.
patternsinchaos 7 months ago
watch?v=rpoEmlxUPeQ
UU361 7 months ago
Extremely pleasant color scheme....
Agent99 7 months ago
@Agent99 LOL
patternsinchaos 7 months ago