@IntellectualPopulist It was put on by the Mises institute for Murray Rothbard's 60th, I will put that in the description. I don't know who the cast is unfortunately.
Love it! I'm a Rand fan, but I'd never put up with her demand for absolute agreement either. David Kelly said that Rand acknowledged that man was capable of error but then seemed to forget it.
I'm an Objectivist and definitely no anarchist, but this is hilarious. Rothbard certainly knew how to take the mickey out of Rand. However, it's Ayn Rand's core ideas that I agree with, not all of the things she did or all of her character traits.
@shadowgeyser he wasn't religious and married an episcopalian or unitarian who didn't refuse her faith. rothbard was only a christian for marital reasons but that bit of "impurity' was the final drop for their short lived relationship. Ayn Rands hates him because he borrowed all of Ayn Rand's poliitics without its metaphysics, but at the same time the same could be said of Ayn Rand with Garet Garrett.
@jonathanaconway Do your research? I try. Thanks for the encouragement! We might disagree on the extent to which one was influenced by the other, but to say that Rothbard "borrowed all of Ayn Rand's politics" is just not true. You yourself say it was a "great deal" he owed, rather than "all", and go on to mention their different positions on government - surely proving that he could not have borrowed "all of Ayn Rand's politics". Pity she didn't adopt etc etc
@jonathanaconway Oh such a sham that he didn't become one of her pawns.. He did thank her as well as disagreed with her.. it's when she got pissed at him for not agreeing with all of her ideas that he parted ways on terrible terms.
@jonathanaconway Maybe you could assign him a research paper and provide the aforementioned things to be researched. Maybe it's just me but I think he owed a great deal to Mises, Menger, and Bohm-Bawerk.
And if anything, the likes of Leonard Peikoff and Yaron Brooks have proven just how VILE their ideas are of what the role of government is supposed to be. They are war-collectivists and advocates of murder.
What is a pity, is that Ayn Rand was apparently shocked by the conclusions she reached in her own novel "Atlas Shrugged" which led to decidedly secessionist and anarchistic conclusions.
@tridentmovies I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I am strongly convinced by the Objectivist arguments, although I disagree with Peikoff on some minor points. I believe that you anarchists share a common premise with the marxists: you fail to distinguish between economic and political power. This leads you to believe that force can be bought and sold like anything else on the market, and the rule of objective law is unnecessary. You couldn't be more wrong, in my opinion.
@jonathanaconway I don't understand why objectivists, which I assume includes you, find the idea of polycentric law so bizarre. I see law, like language, as a polycentric, emergent entity. Also, I don't understand how thinking that giving one entity the power to create laws is a bad idea makes us like Marxists, there idea of economic power is very different than Rothbard's. I would love to know why you reject the idea of polycentric law.
The problem is that there is no "objective" law that can be attained, because it will either be dependent on all under it to understand why it is "objective", or is to be imposed by those that do understand it onto those that don't. Then we come to the convenient conclusion that those who understand it, and are qualified to be the final arbiter *must* be Objectivists, and so Objectivists have "reasoned" their way to unquestioned rule.
And, again. Judging by some Objectivist acolytes' views on American foreign policy, the notion that a "final arbiter" would reach the conclusion that "savages" (innocent or guilty) don't deserve life if they stand in the way of America's interests in their oil, is nauseating and barbaric. In terms of collectivism and violence is doesn't differ from neocons. Such people would love nothing more than a monopoly on force so they could invade and bomb at will.
Jeffrey Tucker seems to always have been a charming fellow. He has a certain way of carrying himself that is very charismatically and appealing in a positive sense. It's like he is constantly enjoying himself by breathing the air of personal freedom.
PS: Rothbard's humor, as usual, is phenomenal. I have listened to all audio with him on mises.org and truly appreciate his positive being and constructive radicalism. The man was mightily intelligent and other-worldly productive.
@shadowgeyser I don't know,but they were bound to have problems because unlike the slavishly devoted Barbara and Nathaniel Brandon,Murray was too independent to last long in Ayn's presence. The story is that when Ayn wanted to have sex with Nathaniel,she & he sat their spouses down and informed them that they were going to have an affair and that was that. It's hard imagining Rothbard putting up with that.
@svanarchei One day,according to Murray Rothbard,he and his wife were at Rand's apartment when Ayn discovered that Mrs. Rothbard believed in God. Rand got all excited,saying in her russian accent" this is irrational. Here--"Rand handed her her article on religion " read z proof " Mrs. Rothbard read it & said " very interesting,but I still believe." Rand angerily said to Rothbard " She is irrational. You must divorce her" Rothbard did'nt want to and was forever banished from Rand's life.
@progrockcoffee actually, Rothbard said that he thought it was one of the greatest books ever written, fiction or nonfiction. I think the book IS 'magnificent' as Rothbard would put it- I think the point of this is that there are a few times in the book that are a bit too much, such as the 'fire in the mind' smoking thing, and the thing about Galt springing forth from a greek diety. All in all, I think the book is great save the very few parts that are kind of silly.
@progrockcoffee If you dig deep enough into Rands philosophy you see that she was not a libertarian, in fact she hated us. I have a lot of respect for Ayn Rand but as a person with a conscience I could never be an "objectivist".
@WorshipInTruth could you direct me toward a criticism of objectivism? It seems like an odd philosophy and people often make claims like yours (from what I can tell, they are understandable), but I've not read that much about it.
Love Rothbard.
WorshipInTruth 1 month ago
givvvveeee morrrrrrre Objectivists, Wow!
TomekHujek631 2 months ago
Don't leave philosophical or political comments? HA! Anyway, way to go Rothbard!
mox1211 3 months ago
@mox1211 Ah how naive I was.
evilsceptic 3 months ago
Great play, I am wondering what the circumstances were; who put on the play, who the cast was, ect.
IntellectualPopulist 5 months ago
@IntellectualPopulist It was put on by the Mises institute for Murray Rothbard's 60th, I will put that in the description. I don't know who the cast is unfortunately.
evilsceptic 5 months ago
@evilsceptic You can see the cast in the end of the other upload of this same video. And yes, that's Jeffrey Tucker.
Rrppooq 2 months ago
Objectivists,
U mad bros?
DMU555 5 months ago
Love it! I'm a Rand fan, but I'd never put up with her demand for absolute agreement either. David Kelly said that Rand acknowledged that man was capable of error but then seemed to forget it.
randfan1776 5 months ago
I'm an Objectivist and definitely no anarchist, but this is hilarious. Rothbard certainly knew how to take the mickey out of Rand. However, it's Ayn Rand's core ideas that I agree with, not all of the things she did or all of her character traits.
jonathanaconway 6 months ago
@shadowgeyser he wasn't religious and married an episcopalian or unitarian who didn't refuse her faith. rothbard was only a christian for marital reasons but that bit of "impurity' was the final drop for their short lived relationship. Ayn Rands hates him because he borrowed all of Ayn Rand's poliitics without its metaphysics, but at the same time the same could be said of Ayn Rand with Garet Garrett.
verticalmatt 7 months ago
@verticalmatt "Ayn Rand hates him because he borrowed all of Ayn Rand's poliitics without its metaphysics"
That is preposterous nonsense.
oldoddjobs 7 months ago
@oldoddjobs Do your research. He did owe a great deal to rand. Pity he didn't adopt her ideas on the proper government, and on ethics.
jonathanaconway 6 months ago
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oldoddjobs 6 months ago
@jonathanaconway Do your research? I try. Thanks for the encouragement! We might disagree on the extent to which one was influenced by the other, but to say that Rothbard "borrowed all of Ayn Rand's politics" is just not true. You yourself say it was a "great deal" he owed, rather than "all", and go on to mention their different positions on government - surely proving that he could not have borrowed "all of Ayn Rand's politics". Pity she didn't adopt etc etc
oldoddjobs 6 months ago
@jonathanaconway Oh such a sham that he didn't become one of her pawns.. He did thank her as well as disagreed with her.. it's when she got pissed at him for not agreeing with all of her ideas that he parted ways on terrible terms.
D34thSetX 5 months ago
@jonathanaconway Maybe you could assign him a research paper and provide the aforementioned things to be researched. Maybe it's just me but I think he owed a great deal to Mises, Menger, and Bohm-Bawerk.
StickyGreenTreez 5 months ago
@jonathanaconway
There is no proper government.
And if anything, the likes of Leonard Peikoff and Yaron Brooks have proven just how VILE their ideas are of what the role of government is supposed to be. They are war-collectivists and advocates of murder.
What is a pity, is that Ayn Rand was apparently shocked by the conclusions she reached in her own novel "Atlas Shrugged" which led to decidedly secessionist and anarchistic conclusions.
tridentmovies 4 months ago
@tridentmovies I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I am strongly convinced by the Objectivist arguments, although I disagree with Peikoff on some minor points. I believe that you anarchists share a common premise with the marxists: you fail to distinguish between economic and political power. This leads you to believe that force can be bought and sold like anything else on the market, and the rule of objective law is unnecessary. You couldn't be more wrong, in my opinion.
jonathanaconway 4 months ago
@jonathanaconway I don't understand why objectivists, which I assume includes you, find the idea of polycentric law so bizarre. I see law, like language, as a polycentric, emergent entity. Also, I don't understand how thinking that giving one entity the power to create laws is a bad idea makes us like Marxists, there idea of economic power is very different than Rothbard's. I would love to know why you reject the idea of polycentric law.
evilsceptic 4 months ago
@jonathanaconway
The problem is that there is no "objective" law that can be attained, because it will either be dependent on all under it to understand why it is "objective", or is to be imposed by those that do understand it onto those that don't. Then we come to the convenient conclusion that those who understand it, and are qualified to be the final arbiter *must* be Objectivists, and so Objectivists have "reasoned" their way to unquestioned rule.
tridentmovies 3 months ago
@jonathanaconway
And, again. Judging by some Objectivist acolytes' views on American foreign policy, the notion that a "final arbiter" would reach the conclusion that "savages" (innocent or guilty) don't deserve life if they stand in the way of America's interests in their oil, is nauseating and barbaric. In terms of collectivism and violence is doesn't differ from neocons. Such people would love nothing more than a monopoly on force so they could invade and bomb at will.
tridentmovies 3 months ago
im assuming thats murray at the table at 0:07
tonygmilan7 8 months ago
@shadowgeyser Rothbard was "ethnically jewish" in that his parents were jewish, but as far as I know he was agnostic.
evilsceptic 8 months ago
Jeffrey Tucker seems to always have been a charming fellow. He has a certain way of carrying himself that is very charismatically and appealing in a positive sense. It's like he is constantly enjoying himself by breathing the air of personal freedom.
PS: Rothbard's humor, as usual, is phenomenal. I have listened to all audio with him on mises.org and truly appreciate his positive being and constructive radicalism. The man was mightily intelligent and other-worldly productive.
Fruerik 8 months ago 4
@Fruerik Great comment, so true! :)
L1ber8ted 7 months ago
@shadowgeyser I don't know,but they were bound to have problems because unlike the slavishly devoted Barbara and Nathaniel Brandon,Murray was too independent to last long in Ayn's presence. The story is that when Ayn wanted to have sex with Nathaniel,she & he sat their spouses down and informed them that they were going to have an affair and that was that. It's hard imagining Rothbard putting up with that.
sleedolfine15 9 months ago
@svanarchei One day,according to Murray Rothbard,he and his wife were at Rand's apartment when Ayn discovered that Mrs. Rothbard believed in God. Rand got all excited,saying in her russian accent" this is irrational. Here--"Rand handed her her article on religion " read z proof " Mrs. Rothbard read it & said " very interesting,but I still believe." Rand angerily said to Rothbard " She is irrational. You must divorce her" Rothbard did'nt want to and was forever banished from Rand's life.
sleedolfine15 10 months ago
Hilarious!
The similarity to Ellseworth Toohey's parlor scenes in The Fountainhead add an extra layer of irony.
Shild 10 months ago
OMG! that's Jeffery Tucker lol...
prmd142 10 months ago
this guy sounds just like rothbard. liked.
dieyoung 11 months ago
@shadowgeyser I'm an atheist libertarian, and I'm not an Objectivist. :P
progrockcoffee 1 year ago
@shadowgeyser I think Only objectivists really, and the saner ones are... well saner.
evilsceptic 1 year ago
lol i love rothbard's humor
gsukrw06 1 year ago
This has got to be one of the funniest plays I've ever seen.
icarus313 1 year ago
Oh my god. Is it Jeffrey Tucker on the left ??
MrKiromunist 1 year ago 26
@MrKiromunist looks like it.
evilsceptic 1 year ago 3
@MrKiromunist It is Jeffrey Tucker.
D34thSetX 5 months ago
love the voices!
bfb8688 1 year ago
Also, Jeffrey Tucker as Jonathan FTW.
progrockcoffee 1 year ago 7
@progrockcoffee He doesn't seem to have aged the past 25 years... DEMON
davyjames 1 year ago 2
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progrockcoffee 1 year ago
Ah, Rothbard. A libertarian who saw through Ayn Rand.
progrockcoffee 1 year ago 34
@progrockcoffee actually, Rothbard said that he thought it was one of the greatest books ever written, fiction or nonfiction. I think the book IS 'magnificent' as Rothbard would put it- I think the point of this is that there are a few times in the book that are a bit too much, such as the 'fire in the mind' smoking thing, and the thing about Galt springing forth from a greek diety. All in all, I think the book is great save the very few parts that are kind of silly.
ChannelofLiberty 10 months ago
@progrockcoffee AMEN! What is with these libertarians who worship Rand??
Trimbler00 9 months ago 3
@Trimbler00 I am begining to think very few actually do, and it is just a meme dreamed up by the left to make us look stupid...
evilsceptic 9 months ago 5
@evilsceptic well done comrade
falllingrock 9 months ago
@progrockcoffee If you dig deep enough into Rands philosophy you see that she was not a libertarian, in fact she hated us. I have a lot of respect for Ayn Rand but as a person with a conscience I could never be an "objectivist".
WorshipInTruth 1 month ago
@WorshipInTruth could you direct me to a criticism of objectivism?
Goodatconnect4 2 weeks ago
@WorshipInTruth could you direct me toward a criticism of objectivism? It seems like an odd philosophy and people often make claims like yours (from what I can tell, they are understandable), but I've not read that much about it.
Goodatconnect4 2 weeks ago
huge fan of rand and this is awesome!
chaserehn 1 year ago
hilarious
sadkins1 1 year ago