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Hitch has not read aereopagitica- if he had he would know Milton excludes catholics from free speech--so pucker up Hitch oops forgot he's dead oh he has not read up on More--who cheerfully burned Lutherans--God I am tired of people who have hidden agendas!!
That only works with a repeated use of the word 'IF'. But to stay with your rather silly analoogy, the Holocaust is not one event, decided in one court by 12 people choosing a verdict as polarised as the flip of a coin.
Can you think of any aspect of epic and significant history generally, which has reduced credibility for the lack of a photo?
I HAVE asked you to illustrate coerced confessions attached to Holocaust, but we're still waiting.
@mdmguyon no man. Look it up. I think he DID believe Irving's waffle. And I am not saying that he or Irving should be allowed to say it, I mean, I would love to know what the truth is, but, so far, holocaust deniers just seem delusional.
@MJFAN666 In one talk, Mr. Hitchens referred to an analogy that implied that he believed that Zyklon B was used to gas people.
Be careful of strawmen. When people ask how anyone can deny the Holocaust when we have pictures and videos of it, you know you have to go deeper. There are no pictures or videos of anyone being gassed, of Hitler's order to kill all Jews, or of 6 million Jews dying.
@timpovikings If you were on a jury and there were pictures neither of the murder, the murder weapon, nor of the victims, none of which were even alleged to have been found, and if most witness testimony, according to an organization which collected such testimonies for the purpose of convicting the defendants, were unreliable, and if those who tortured the defendants admitted that the confessions they got were acquired through torture, would you vote to convict?
@Jyggafey He isn't going against it here, but I think Hitchens DID become a Holocaust denier. I am not sure. But I completely agree with all that he says. loll.
@MJFAN666 He's made statements and articles on the negatives effects *of* the holocaust, hasn't he? I mean, he pointed out the Catholic Church's role in the persecution of the jews. :P It would be insanely difficult to assert that it happened, and the Church should apologise; whilst simultaneously denying that any of it actually occurred.
LOCAL OPPOSITION WAS THE FIRST TO GO / THEN THE FOREIGN OPPOSITION / NEXT WAS SENT DOWN THE SICK AND UNPROFITABLE THEN WEALTHY LOCALS WITH FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS THEN NON-PARTY MEMBERS, REACTIONARIES AND NON-PRODUCTIVE WORKERS : ALL THE CORPSES I SAW WERE DEAD LESS THAN A WEEK AND NO MASS INTERMENTS HAVE EVER BEEN UNCOVERED. LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE OF THE MAJOR CITIES AND CONSIDER THAT STARVATION WAS INEVITABLE : IM JUST SAYING :
The best class I ever took in high school that was of the most value for my life (48 years old now) is Critical Thinking. Even more so than basic algebra. It taught me the value of always questioning what is the truth. To constantly update what I "know" to what fits the actual facts. Thank you Christopher Hitchens for teaching these values across nations. Your memory will live on sir.
I always wanted to meet Christopher and try and convince him in the error of his ways of condemning the entire county of Yorkshire as "untakeable". I like to think I can be quite charming! Alas, poor Hitch has left us too soon and I have missed the opportunity to scold him.
Brilliant and entertaining speech, I am so going to miss his conscious presence in our universe.
......What I don't understand is why Christopher routinely goes beyond offering mere support for Irving's right to free speech by praising the content of his work. It's one thing to fight censorship on the very reasonable ground that it can lead to further restrictions. It's quite another to offer remarkably purple prose to the writings of David Irving, a man who has for the past 50 years distorted the historical record in every conceivable way to bend it to his pro-Nazi ideology.
@kmank2 "What I don't understand is why Christopher routinely goes beyond offering mere support for Irving's right to free speech by praising the content of his work."
Maybe if you read some of Irving's work you would find out. There must be something there that Hitchens considers praiseworthy.
@dissidentaggress0r Actually, Hitchens never does praise Irving's work as a whole. What he is referring to is a couple of his early books that were not bad historical texts for an Amateur. In particular his book on the Luftwaffe was reasonably solid, even if it just repeated what was already known.
Of course as soon as he started writing about the High Command, his holocaust denying tendencies stated coming out in his work. pretty much downhill from there.
This clip really pains me. On the one hand I totally agree with Christopher's stance on the repugnant David Irving. We shouldn't criminalize any form of speech no matter how repellant. In regards to Holocaust denial criminalization not only sends the wrong message about how a society should combat revisionist nonsense, but it also makes a martyr out of the denier and ultimately wins them far more attention and adulation than if they had simply been ignored. I get that aspect of his argument.....
@cfc19900 Revisionist bullshit. The holocaust can be and is looked at and debated endlessly, there are at least 5 major historical debates going on that I'm aware of, and likely many more I am not. It is debatedjust like every other aspect of history. Only the terminally stupid or the deliberately ignorant would ever claim otherwise.
If physicists scoff at some bigoted retard who claim that E=MC2 was wrong because einstein was a jew, that does not mean they dont discuss einsteinian physics.
@CuiusRegio No, sorry to break it to you but it can't be looked at like everything else. The fact that people are arrested for that proves my point. And if you have to be insulting like you know you're wrong then it's better that you do not reply me.
@cfc19900 I have to be insulting because ignorant comments like yours are worthy of nothing but scorn. If you dont like being called out as a retard, then stop acting like a retard. Dont blame me.
Questioning or debating the holocaust is not illegal. In fact in every country in Europe there is a large and active scholarly debate on the topic. DENYING the holocaust is illegal, because it can only stem from pure unadulterated bigotry and hatemongering as its source.
@kmank2 Really you're missing the whole point here...how DO you know it is only "revisionist nonsense" if no one is allowed to investigate and attempt vocal supports of their "theories" with what they call "evidence?" If history is not even allowed to be discusse, and there is ONLY an official story with which no one can disagree (as with 9/11 for example) how DO you know that it is "revisionist nonsense?" If you are so sure, then you should be HAPPY to examine what they offer.
@TwitSpotter " If you are so sure, then you should be HAPPY to examine what they offer."
Let's have a great big debate, televised live, with all the experts on both sides presenting their evidence. No emotional appeals, no racism or name calling, no nationalistic rants. Just a pure debate. This sort of thing has been offered in the past (by revisionists) and has never yet, to my knowledge, been taken up by the Holocaust dogmatists.
I do sympathize with the notion the late mr. Hitchens puts forward - I always found the specific laws against holocaust denial absurd - but I think his choice of words is poor.
Everyone should be allowed to question estabilished scientific facts - and yes, history is a scientific field - I agree there. I do wonder, though, how someone who questions evolution is delusional, whereas someone who doubts the holocaust is excercising his rights to freedom of speech and critical thinking.
@Sylvine "someone who questions evolution is delusional, whereas someone who doubts the holocaust...free speech and critical thinking.
Maybe because the holocaust just doesn't have that ring of truth to it....all those shifty eyed "witnesses" constantly glancing left as they spin their tales.
Chomsky drew a parallel to a person arriving on earth from another planet, hearing the holocaust story, and deciding "I don't believe" it. You wouldn't throw them in jail for that opinion - would you?
I don't care whether it has a "ring of truth" to it. For many people, evolution and abiogenesis don't have it, either. That's a totally subjective term. Within the field of history, the holocaust is as undeniable a fact as evolution is within the field of biology.
I wouldn't throw anyone in jail for doubting an estabilished scientific fact, I'm in no disagreement there. I merely found the disparity noteworthy.
Is it the term that you find subjective - or truth itself? I really don't see what's so "undeniable" about the holocaust story - and I'm not even a "denier". Lots of people cite the "mountains of documents" to support it, and yet, where are they? If you count the many eyewitness reports as "documents" then, yes, there are a lot of those - many of which conflict with each other. The Holocaust is just another sacred cow.
@dissidentaggress0r The 'mountains of evidence' are literally mountains. You want to know where they are? Currently housed in about 14 different archives, with hundreds of thousands more supporting documents around the world.
YOU didnt know this. YOU have never seen the evidence because you never looked. So, like most retards, you assume if you dont know about it, it must not exist.
The holocuast is not a sacred cow, it is the subject of enormous historical debate (of which I am a part).
@CuiusRegio "The holocuast is not a sacred cow, it is the subject of enormous historical debate"
Yes. The debate tends to center around "were there only 6 million killed - or could it have been more? Like, say, maybe 10 million?"
Then if some foolhardy scholar pipes up "I think there were only maybe 600,000 killed and that was mainly through reprisal actions in the eastern theater"
BAM! He's labeled "anti-semitic" and loses his tenure or his publisher or his paypal account or his funding.
@dissidentaggress0r You want me to summarize the holocaust evidence in 500 characters? Seriously?
Fine, lets start with the documentary evidence, Nazi documents detailing the planning and organisation of the extermination (wansee), orders to occupied nations, train schedules, creamation targets and corrspondance, medical reports and experiments, by the MILLIONS. Not just German, but Polish, Italian, Slovak, French, every occupied nation. Thats not even including witnesses on both sides..
@CuiusRegio For every document that refers to extermination, there's one that refers to the final solution being a plan for evacuation. Both the Nazis telling everyone that they wanted to exterminate Jews and "evacuation" being a euphemism for "extermination" because they wanted to keep it a secret are presented as evidence for the Holocaust when only one can be true.
@mdmguyon That, of couyrse, is an absolute lie. Please stop making silly shit up. The plans for forced avacuation are quite distinct and fell through as the germans advanced and conquered territories containing millions more jews. The Wansee conference documents deal specifically and clearly with extermination, noting that plans for forced evacuation had failed. ALL the evidence is for extermination, from every country involved, millions of documents, not even including witnesses.
@CuiusRegio Millions of documents referring to extermination? That sounds high. It seems strange that Hitler's public proclamations of wanting to exterminate the Jews in, say, 1942 and before, are used as evidence of his order, but then, in 1944, Hungary's Jews passively got on the trains to go to Auschwitz without resisting. Wouldn't they have heard something? Hitler made a speech 3 days after the Wannsee Conference that explicitly contradicted an order for extermination.
@CuiusRegio "The Wansee conference documents deal specifically and clearly with extermination"
Uh...no, they don't. The word is never used - at least according to Dr. Norbert Kampe, historian and director of the "Wannsee Conference" Memorial Centre in Berlin.
If you are tired of the Zionist propaganda google Gilad Atzmon and read his blog post on this topic.
The nazis threatened extermination openly, then encouraged emigration, then stopped emigration and physically sought out Jews - and others - for transport to the East.
Fact. Huge numbers were rounded up and transported to the Eastern camps.
Fact. 60-odd survivors were located from the AR sites.
Fact. Deniers have no alternative and no explanation for the dearth of compensation-hungry Jews.
@Sylvine It is one's right to criticize someone who questions evolution just as it is their right to question evolution. All that Hitch is saying here is that one must be able to exercise their right to freedom of expression. Hitch has criticized David Irving's studies of the holocaust in an interview on Charlie Rose's show.
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We should focus more on the value of critical thought when we are raising our children and teach or students. That way they can stick up for themselves and they wouldn't need to be protected against 'wrong' beliefs or 'wrong' thought. They will have to depend solely on their own critical judgment to make such distinction.
@CuiusRegio, what number do you want to go by? A U. N. report said that 500,000 children had died directly due to the sanctions that are the responsibility of the United States. But let's say it's a huge exaggeration and that the United States is only responsible for 30,000 deaths in Iraq. Doesn't that make it 10 times more outrageous than September 11 was?
@mdmguyon Are you *really*comparing wartime casualties to a terror attack masterminded by a group of fanatics who felt that causing the loss of--potentially--hundreds of lives was justified because of their distorted grip on reality due to their interpretation of a stone-age religion?
Those men killed and wounded hundreds because they didn't like the way those 'western infidels' lived their blissful lives.
September 11 was not part of some grand occupation; it was death for the sake of death.
@jaieet For years and years the US have bombed and invaded who they liked, when they liked. Half of what goes on will never make it back to the general public in its full integrity. You are very ignorant if you believe that September 11th was simply the act of Islamic extremist's for deaths sake. Would you simply sit back and watch another country invade, brutalize and occupy your nation? I'm sure you would want to fight back, but how do you fight back against the world's most powerful nation?
@wengerisapeado "You are very ignorant if you believe that September 11th was simply the act of Islamic extremist's for deaths sake. "
Lucky you pointed that out, else I might've stewed in my ignorance for all of eternity *eye roll*
Why did they do it then? For war reasons? They weren't at war - or even a scaled conflict - with the US at that point. But they *did* make deaththreats when a 14 yr old internet-goer imagined up a flattering image of their prophet to paper.
@jaieet It would of been for a number of reasons, not simply because of the 'western' so called blissful lifestyle. Do you really believe they are jealous of what we have? And yes of course there are extremists who are going to make death threats. We fly over their country and drop bombs on civilians, in Iraq alone there have been over 1 million civilian casualties. That doesn't include the future generations that will be born with defects.
@wengerisapeado No, there have not. I just finished slapping another fellow around for made-up numbers. The death toll of the Iraq war has been about 120,000 civilians, and the vast majority of those were killed by other Iraqis, not the US.
And that 120,000 dead still does not equal the number of Iraqis killed by theor previous leader, to say nothing if Iranians and israelis.
@CuiusRegio@CuiusRegio The numbers I provided are not made up, let me guess you are getting your information straight from the US government official statistics?
@wengerisapeado Yes of course the numbers you provided are made up. Complete and utter crap through and through. We both know it, so why are you pretending otherwise?
@CuiusRegio I can provide you with the credible links, i'll pm them to you. Can you also do the same so that I can see where you are getting your stats from? I'm assuming you are just taking your information from one source?
@wengerisapeado No you cant. How can you provide 'credible links' for a number you just pulled out of your own sphincter? not to mention that if you could have, you would have.
Not only are you a liar, but you are not even a very good liar.
@jaieet And what do you mean why do they need to fight the US? For decades the US has tried to impose its power over the world, fighting for global domination. Would you honestly sit back and watch your country get destroyed while your powerless to do anything? Obviously terrorism is not the right way about it, especially not when innocent lives are taken because of it, but i don't think it's right to just sit there and have such a narrow frame of mind. You need to see the bigger picture.
@jaieet Do you not believe what the US is doing is a form of terrorism in itself? How can you justify invading another country to protect your own? Then add onto that the number of lies the US government has produced, one of the most notorious being the white phosphorous attacks of Fallujah. You start to get a very ugly picture of the US, and in reality this is just scratching the surface. Why do you think more soldiers killed themselves on returning from vietnam than those in battle?
@mdmguyon The UN report sais that about 500,000 children had died during the decade that sanctions were in place. The report however, did not blame the US< but blamed Iraq, which was spending tis money on rearming rather than taking care of its own citizens. Iraq blamed the sanctions of course, even as their military's share of the GDP tripled. And it wasnt US sanctions, it was UN sanctions.
I watched all this and was greatly impressed. I read the comments and had the wind kicked out of me finding out that he had died in Dec 2012. How sad. He was so extremely intelligent. I agree on that part if free speech regarding David Irving. Right or wrong, keep an open mind.
@banjosolid Hahahaha. Shut up nazi!! You're in the wrong place. Instead: go to Degrelle videos and write: "He's the best thinker of xx century". Go to Flawrisson videos and write: "the jewry wasn't able of buy this brave guy". Go to Dresden bombing videos and write: "oh the children, the poor aryan children killed by the jews". Get out of here freak!
He promoted holocaust as a source of alleged suffering of the jews as much as he promoted wars in the balkans and the middle east. We should look at the entire picture instead of what hitch and his minions want(ed)
The great thing about CH is that he opposes all tyranny, including the crap by Hitler, Pol Pot, a little from the Catholic Church, and definitely Islamic imperialism.
And your use of the word "alleged" makes me think you've been reading too much David Irving.
Thanks for that quote and your stupid conspiracy videos you're trying to link me to, typical radical loon without facts---just resorting to YouTube to be his prophet. When will you think for yourself.
@AceofDlamonds So he must also have opposed the tyranny of opinion enforced by the Zionist Holocaust lobby - which is exactly the impression I got from this video. If you can't debate a topic without fear of going to jail there is something deeply, fundamentally wrong with your society. End of story.
@dissidentaggress0r Its so easy to deal with lunatic holocaust deniers. pretty much as soon as anyone uses the phrase 'Zionist holocaust Lobby' you can feel quite confident that they are ignorant motherfuckers who should be ignored in all things.
@CuiusRegio Mearsheimer and Walt may disagree with you on that...but whatever. I'm sure you know better than they do. Your victimhood status gives you omniscience, doesn't it?
@breakinmedia I did listen with great attention to Hitchen's comments, thank you, and was quite impressed. There was no genetic fallacy here, nor in any of my comments.
@me6664 As far as GOD sending me to save you. Ha uh, no man can be saved by any other man only by GOD THROUGH CHRIST. I am here to preach a "message" of salvation to you. Not save you myself, "WOE is me if I take up a false position in the place of CHRIST." I am here to give you THE TRUTH & nothing else but that(TRUTH). Take heed the words I speak of ELOHIM & CHRIST THE LORD are not mine. They belong to THE FATHER & THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT bears witness to the truth. Learn something from it!
@me6664 First! I didn't say anyone would burn in "hell." It just proves your own ignorance about GOD'S WORD. Hell as you call it comes from the Hebrew word Sheol. Which is mankind's common grave. No one is burning there as far as it is told..It is the earth in which we all return, the grave. The fiery Gehenna is another story, but i must tell you according to scripture. It is no man's job to say whether another man will ascend or descend. I only state the facts of GOD. & HIS WORD is what counts.
@Camsauce87 Cure cancer? HAHAHAHA! Are you kidding me??!! You need to talk to your scientist boyfriends about that. After all they made it in their "scientific" labs. Hahaha you don't know your head from your hole do you? Hahaha
@Camsauce87 The word of GOD that is in me will decimate & obliterate any so called education you think you have. Your whole psyche would be crushed. Your best bet is to keep it moving, or end up another intellectual casualty of this war of words!
@MessengerOfTruth27 Okay monkey boy. You may vehemently claim that your word of GOD obliterates scientific knowledge, but that opinion like I said, is old, primitive and tiresome these days. You can use your biblical circular logic to "crush" my arguments all you want. Your ideas will never cure cancer though; as a point of reference. Your Bible disproves evolution? I think the problem there is that this conversation between you and I is in itself, proof to the contrary.
@Camsauce87 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HOW STUPID DO YOU SOUND? You just proved that being a primate is an insult. By calling me "monkey boy." Just goes to show how much of an idiot you are. That you would fight to be called the same thing that you "trying"(key word trying) to insult me with. BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME! TRY AGAIN! TRY AGAIN! TRY AGAIN! TRRYYY AGGAAAIIIINNNNN!
@MOT27 I never said being a primate is an insult. We evolved from primates physically and mentally, but clearly some of us haven't made the same steps intellectually that others have. Our primate ancestors were the ones that looked to the sky and likely thought of unexplainable supernatural ideas. Modern men (not the 'monkey boys') look to empirical observation for their understanding. I showed that quote to my dog and she didn't get it either; Sorry for expecting more of you
@MessengerOfTruth27 And in case you 'still' don't see where the insult actually originates, it's on the person who evolved from primates but still thinks like one, unlike the atheists of today. I hope anyone reading these comments can see from this guy what dangers the process of religious ignorance and brainwashing poses to our integrity. You're a real shining star for the concept of being a dumbshit motherfucker, that's for sure.
@Camsauce87 Before there were schools by what means were men deemed intelligent? By the power of their minds to"reason." That's wisdom & it is far beyond your primitive view. Wisdom is simple no overly complicated calculations. U atheist morons complicate everything by adding untruths to the equation of life. Life is simple Proof of that is this. When you want to understand something you don't add to it. You break it down to its simplest form. If you want to mislead someone you add to it.
@MessengerOfTruth27 And having just seen your post beginning "Before there were schools", I just want to point out that schools were a product of wisdom and reason... now you denounce what they have accomplished? We don't "add" anything to the equation of life either... If you knew what the scientific process actually was, you'd see that we "discover" new things rather than just arbitrarily "adding" them -_-. You don't really seem to have a stable intellectual basis magn.
@Camsauce87 & to respond to the comment: "I just want to point out that schools were a product of wisdom and reason." Worldly wisdom is foolishness to GOD. Why do you think that after all the blasphemies that you atheist scum spew out ELOHIM still hasn't intervened? Because 1. He doesn't move when insignificant worms like atheists say so. 2. He is well aware of his own power & all of his accomplishments. 3. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE HAS IN STORE FOR FOOLS LIKE YOU. 4. He has everything running on
@Camsauce87 4. He has everything running on a schedule. Nothing happens in this "UNIVERSE" with out his knowledge or consent. 5. The angels handle the matters of men & the events that are to occur. ELOHIM doesn't deal with sinners directly. 6. Maybe the last but not the least. ELOHIM gives time for people to repent. Just repent you know that you need to. Stop fighting him, he loves all people(on different levels & in different ways). He doesn't want to see people like you suffer. REPENT!
@Camsauce27 You have no idea about what i know! GUARANTEE IT! The problem with idiots like yourself is that your too blind to see how stupid you actually are. Blind to evident reality! That is why "idiots like yourself" need a piece of paper to make you feel legitimately intelligent. Otherwise you think of yourselves as stupid. Actually I have the answers to those questions I posed Einstein I asked an atheist to answer em. Logically, if i might add!
@mot27 You are correct that I have no idea what you know (since like proving God, it's inherently impossible, being a negative by nature), but what you don't know is much more painfully obvious. It's just that society is starting to tire of people like you who are stuck in the past with the same holes in your intelligence which have been improved upon endlessly by now. I actually just saw a video which reminded me of you: watch?v=BQXnS9narng&feature=related
@GlompasaurusRex Well Glompasaurus, GOD has a strong case proving that it isn't fact at all. Besides the fact that to any "sane" person these theories don't make any sense at all. Where did apes come from? Why aren't there "some" neaderthals still evolving? If we were here for hundreds of thousands of years, Why have we only recently advanced in the production of certain technology? Where do U.F.O's come from? The list goes on! In the Bible I have all my answers how about your"theories?"
@MOT27 I'll be brief on this. Those questions are already sufficiently answered. You're clearly too uneducated to be aware of this, and your ability to ask them doesn't do anything to compensate for your intellectual dishonesty. These same questions have been repeated for so long, and answered sufficiently for so long, that I feel justified in digressing from formal response. Simply put, you're an idiot. Your ignorance is a seriously depressing experience.
Great video: hope some politicians in Europe viewed it...they should be ashamed of these laws in Europe. Not worth of Countries that self-proclaim to be "democracies". Those laws are simply disgusting and against the art 19 of the Universal Declaration of rights!
@me6664 The best Advice I can give to anyone wise enough to take it. Don't listen to un-informed people like yourself who have no knowledge at all about the things you"claim" to speak about. Learn about a thing before you judge Einstein! People's punishments will fit their crimes, an unrepentant heart shows no appreciation for the gift of life. Hence, is why people like you squander your life away. When people like you are on their death bed they have nothing to show for it. Just doubts!
@MessengerOfTruth27 you require religion to fullfill your life? then i greatly pity you. i will know when i die that i will have strived to make the world better through acts i choose, that i will have been following no-ones doctrine, that i have freedom to choose how to live, that i don't require someone to keep me from murder and harming innocents. and i know i will strive to bring about my ideal, my socialist dream, though my dream may not succeed, i'll know i tried, that i followed my ideas
@me6664 You obviously haven't been paying attention. I do not promote religion in any way shape or form. "You" confuse religion with truth. I practice truth, & I follow truth, not religion. Religion is man made a figmentation of the world's imagination. Pretty much the same thing as your religion which you claim you don't have. Evolution is still "belief based." Because there are no modern "neanderthals" walking around evolving. Or whatever "theory" or "philosophy" that you can come up with.
@MessengerOfTruth27 You. Are. Ignorant. Evolution is established scientific FACT backed by years of research and observation and a mountain of evidence. Read a fucking book ffs
@MessengerOfTruth27 For the love of all that is and ever will be, please please please try reading a fucking book or two before you act like you have something interesting to say. Anyone in their right mind can see from your questions/comments that you have ZERO knowledge of evolution, yet you act like you have relevant objections. I promise if you read up on it thoroughly, you'll look back on yourself and go "Ohhh... it really was obvious what a moron I was then." I promise.
@MessengerOfTruth27 your about blasphemy and how we're atheist scum and that i will burn in hell. i am on the side that says religion is not fact and is merely a story to explain the world and as a tool of control. you say that the anti-christ is speaking through me and that god sent you to save me. also, plenty of evidence to suggest evolution, you just bury your head when you hear it. don't act llike you know the world, then scream that everyone else doesn't.
Ya'll can do all the wishful thinking you like! My GOD has spoken! & now his soul will answer for his blasphemies! If any fool wants to follow this fool to the pit.Your more than welcome to. But I already told you all he would answer for his blasphemy & Now! He Is! & not a theory in the world can help this blasphemer. So now is the time for you people to grow up & stop making up stories in your head! If not you will all likewise perish without the possibility of repentance. Seek truth & repent!
@MessengerOfTruth27 YES, LISTEN TO MY BROTHER IN GOD! PRAY TO A 2000 YEAR OLD CARPENTER! DON'T THINK FOR YOURSELF! READ A BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN LONG AFTER IT WAS SET! DEATH TO FREE SPEECH! YOU WILL ALL BURN UNDER THE ALL FORGIVING GOD! HE IS ALL LOVING BUT WILL SEND YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN TELLING A LIE!
@me6664 ThE same spirit that speaks through you.Is the same spirit of the anti-CHRIST that mislead hitchens until his death. Now, just recently I had been on here by the power of GOD. Speaking to you atheist about the dangers of your ways & less than 2 weeks later hitchens is dead. I had no prior knowledge of this imbecile existed b4 2 weeks ago. But GOD'S SPIRIT lead me here to issue a warning. HERE IS WHAT IT SAYS TO YOU IF YOU FOLLOW THIS PATH U WILL SUFFER WITH HIM! So go 4 it if u want.
@jorisewout Absolutely. Just so long as you gather that understanding with honesty, and not just in order that you can use the knowledge only for refutation.
In other words, don't just study it to find the holes. Study it UNTIL you find the holes. If you don't find those holes, be prepared to BELIEVE it.
@mush01 That sounds like a lot of wishful thinking there buddy. Hitchens won't be resting & it damn sure won't be easy for him. History will definitely prove that to be true.
@ Do know what the theory of evolution is like? It's like a man committing a murder with a weapon. Wiping his prints off. Then, inviting a "friend" over to the area where the crime was committed. Giving his friend the murder weapon. Then calling the police & "reporting" a murder. Giving the police a description of his own "friend." And then standing back on the sidelines & watching chaos ensue. That's what evolutionists have done 2 the public. Filled your head with lies they don't even believe.
@MessengerOfTruth27 I think you need to read up on evolution, ethics and history. The fact that your mind cannot comprehend these things, doesn't make them untrue. Your view is SO conservative, it makes me wonder how you got there.
@Krommak "Reading up on evolution" as you say is degenerative to anyone with any HUMAN DIGNITY within themselves. "I don't care about the so called wisdom of any man." What I do care about is the accuracy of his words. The meaning of what man says is far more important than the way he says it. For instance the way a man says something can confuse you if he doesn't present it in the way your used to hearing it. But the meaning! If you understand his meaning you get what he's trying to convey...
@MessengerOfTruth27 Not sure what you mean here. You mean to say that when I tell you to read up on evolution, I'm basically saying that I only care about my own views?
@Krommak Whether your telling me to read up on my own views, your views, or someone else's views is totally irrelevant. My focus just like yours or anyone else's when researching the history of mankind should be focused on the facts. The truth!Not yours,mine,or someone else's "opinion","theory", or "philosophy." Any man/woman honest enough within themselves knows that science is basic assumptions that men make.
Then set out to prove their theories correct. Some even setting up false evidence.
@MessengerOfTruth27 You are telling me that I should be focused on 'the facts' and 'the truth' and that 'any person honest with himself knows that science is a basic assumption that men make'. What kind of rhetoric is that? It's like those people who argue and conclude their argument stating that 'this is a fact!'. Well, stating that something is a fact, does not make it so.
How do you find 'truth'? By trying to understand the world as it is, not by reasoning from dogma.
You use the rhetoric I mentioned a lot. You state that things are facts, truths or absolute rights (probably referring to absolute morality). Some examples from what you said:
"Which is obviously is a lie" --> stating that something is obviously a lie, does not make it so.
"It's not justified, so how can it be righteous" --> you never provide any arguments for why it's not justified.
@Krommak Dude you are too slow for your own good. Which is why your not able to produce good & cannot understand it. Justification comes in the form of justice. Hence "Justification." My example about a unjust thing that is called a right here in america. Abortion of a child's life that a woman/man started through being irresponsible. Then choosing to abort the child's life before it can fully start bcuz of this reckless act of lust. It is not proper to call such things a "right." It isn't right
"Evolution conveys the false idea that..." --> where is the proof that it's false? All you seem to do is show that evolution is a concept that is difficult to understand. I can certainly agree with that, but that doesn't make it untrue.
"In case you didn't know, the 20th and 21st century is not the first time that beings have tampered with genes" --> again this rhetoric, saying 'in case you didn't know' does not make you an authority on the subject.
@Krommak Your absolutely correct about me saying something is a fact does not make it a fact. No more than hitchens saying it is scientifically proven. It doesn't make it a fact either because science claims it is. What does make it a fact is the proof & evidence that these things occurred & are still occurring. What does make me authority on any given subject is when HE(I AM) says I am an authority. & he made "ME" such. Which is why you & no one else on here can dispute the words that I write.
@Krommak CONTINUED..My point? Evolution conveys the false idea that: various types of animals & plants have their origin in preexisting types &that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations. Which is obviously a lie! Through satanic manipulation of the genes of all species. Even now scientist have thrown off the natural balance of the law of nature. In case you didn't know the 20th & 21st century is not the 1st time that beings have tampered with genes
@Krommak The mixing of the genes of different species obviously has unnatural effects on the proper order of things. For instance when a tiger & a lion are mixed. If you've done any research on it. You'd know that this Tion or Liger can't reproduce. Reason? ELOHIM said let everything on earth produce seed after it's kind. Man,animals, & plant alike all produce after their kind. You don't get an ape from a fish or a man from an ape. That's ludicrous! & It cetainly isn't worth my precious time!
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tigersforchrist 2 days ago
Hitch has not read aereopagitica- if he had he would know Milton excludes catholics from free speech--so pucker up Hitch oops forgot he's dead oh he has not read up on More--who cheerfully burned Lutherans--God I am tired of people who have hidden agendas!!
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@mdmguyon
That only works with a repeated use of the word 'IF'. But to stay with your rather silly analoogy, the Holocaust is not one event, decided in one court by 12 people choosing a verdict as polarised as the flip of a coin.
Can you think of any aspect of epic and significant history generally, which has reduced credibility for the lack of a photo?
I HAVE asked you to illustrate coerced confessions attached to Holocaust, but we're still waiting.
timpovikings 1 week ago
Nicely done by Christopher Hitchens, and I am happy to defend Chris' freedom to speak, but I think his denial of Holocaust is a bunch of BULLSHIT.
MJFAN666 1 week ago
@MJFAN666 I don't think he did. He just defended David Irving's right to free speech.
mdmguyon 1 week ago
@mdmguyon no man. Look it up. I think he DID believe Irving's waffle. And I am not saying that he or Irving should be allowed to say it, I mean, I would love to know what the truth is, but, so far, holocaust deniers just seem delusional.
MJFAN666 1 week ago
@MJFAN666 In one talk, Mr. Hitchens referred to an analogy that implied that he believed that Zyklon B was used to gas people.
Be careful of strawmen. When people ask how anyone can deny the Holocaust when we have pictures and videos of it, you know you have to go deeper. There are no pictures or videos of anyone being gassed, of Hitler's order to kill all Jews, or of 6 million Jews dying.
mdmguyon 1 week ago
@mdmguyon
That's another genius post.
Can you think of any other historic events we have no videos or pictures of, that we should similarly reject as false?
Explain how that one works, would you?
timpovikings 1 week ago
@timpovikings If you were on a jury and there were pictures neither of the murder, the murder weapon, nor of the victims, none of which were even alleged to have been found, and if most witness testimony, according to an organization which collected such testimonies for the purpose of convicting the defendants, were unreliable, and if those who tortured the defendants admitted that the confessions they got were acquired through torture, would you vote to convict?
mdmguyon 1 week ago
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timpovikings 1 week ago
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Math is Anti Semitic...
ONE body can be Cremated in a Modern, Sealed chamber in 3 hours = 8 per day
240 per month, 3000 per year.
5 Chambers, not counting time down for cleaning and processing, could process 60,000 bodies in 4 years..
NO, 6 million people did not die in a 2.5 car Garage Sized, Vented Room by use of bug spray.
Stop The Hoax.
StSimonMartyr 4 days ago
@MJFAN666 He does not deny that the holocaust happened, listen to it again please. He is speaking up against supression of free speech, no excepions.
Jyggafey 3 days ago
@Jyggafey He isn't going against it here, but I think Hitchens DID become a Holocaust denier. I am not sure. But I completely agree with all that he says. loll.
MJFAN666 3 days ago
@MJFAN666 If you aren't sure what he said, how on earth can you disagree with it? =P
jaieet 3 days ago
@jaieet agree with his stuff on free speech, disagree with him if he believes that holocaust didn't happen. I really liked this speech of his.
MJFAN666 3 days ago
@MJFAN666 He's made statements and articles on the negatives effects *of* the holocaust, hasn't he? I mean, he pointed out the Catholic Church's role in the persecution of the jews. :P It would be insanely difficult to assert that it happened, and the Church should apologise; whilst simultaneously denying that any of it actually occurred.
Who told you he thought otherwise? =P
jaieet 3 days ago
@jaieet aah. You are right. Thank you!
MJFAN666 2 days ago
He looks like, speechs like and have the same confidence as Robert Downey Jr in the roll as Tony stark.
Gsee94 1 week ago
@Gsee94 Or maybe it's just the annoying 360p again
Gsee94 1 week ago
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bujumbura101 1 week ago
love and miss this guy....."can get in line and kiss my ass".....brilliant.
adstanra 2 weeks ago 6
@adstanra I read your comment at the same time as he exclaimed it =P
SicSeb 2 days ago
The best class I ever took in high school that was of the most value for my life (48 years old now) is Critical Thinking. Even more so than basic algebra. It taught me the value of always questioning what is the truth. To constantly update what I "know" to what fits the actual facts. Thank you Christopher Hitchens for teaching these values across nations. Your memory will live on sir.
davidmanhart1 2 weeks ago
"anyone who wants to say anything abusive about or to me is quite free to do so, and quite welcome in fact, at their own risk."
06alepea1 3 weeks ago
I always wanted to meet Christopher and try and convince him in the error of his ways of condemning the entire county of Yorkshire as "untakeable". I like to think I can be quite charming! Alas, poor Hitch has left us too soon and I have missed the opportunity to scold him.
Brilliant and entertaining speech, I am so going to miss his conscious presence in our universe.
rcarass1 1 month ago 6
@rcarass1 In one debate, I think it was his opponent who said that he was never dull.
mdmguyon 1 month ago
......What I don't understand is why Christopher routinely goes beyond offering mere support for Irving's right to free speech by praising the content of his work. It's one thing to fight censorship on the very reasonable ground that it can lead to further restrictions. It's quite another to offer remarkably purple prose to the writings of David Irving, a man who has for the past 50 years distorted the historical record in every conceivable way to bend it to his pro-Nazi ideology.
kmank2 1 month ago
@kmank2 "What I don't understand is why Christopher routinely goes beyond offering mere support for Irving's right to free speech by praising the content of his work."
Maybe if you read some of Irving's work you would find out. There must be something there that Hitchens considers praiseworthy.
dissidentaggress0r 3 weeks ago
@dissidentaggress0r Actually, Hitchens never does praise Irving's work as a whole. What he is referring to is a couple of his early books that were not bad historical texts for an Amateur. In particular his book on the Luftwaffe was reasonably solid, even if it just repeated what was already known.
Of course as soon as he started writing about the High Command, his holocaust denying tendencies stated coming out in his work. pretty much downhill from there.
CuiusRegio 3 weeks ago
This clip really pains me. On the one hand I totally agree with Christopher's stance on the repugnant David Irving. We shouldn't criminalize any form of speech no matter how repellant. In regards to Holocaust denial criminalization not only sends the wrong message about how a society should combat revisionist nonsense, but it also makes a martyr out of the denier and ultimately wins them far more attention and adulation than if they had simply been ignored. I get that aspect of his argument.....
kmank2 1 month ago
@kmank2 If any part of history can be looked at, I don't see why the holocaust can't.
cfc19900 1 month ago
@cfc19900 Revisionist bullshit. The holocaust can be and is looked at and debated endlessly, there are at least 5 major historical debates going on that I'm aware of, and likely many more I am not. It is debatedjust like every other aspect of history. Only the terminally stupid or the deliberately ignorant would ever claim otherwise.
If physicists scoff at some bigoted retard who claim that E=MC2 was wrong because einstein was a jew, that does not mean they dont discuss einsteinian physics.
CuiusRegio 4 weeks ago
@CuiusRegio No, sorry to break it to you but it can't be looked at like everything else. The fact that people are arrested for that proves my point. And if you have to be insulting like you know you're wrong then it's better that you do not reply me.
cfc19900 4 weeks ago
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@cfc19900 I have to be insulting because ignorant comments like yours are worthy of nothing but scorn. If you dont like being called out as a retard, then stop acting like a retard. Dont blame me.
Questioning or debating the holocaust is not illegal. In fact in every country in Europe there is a large and active scholarly debate on the topic. DENYING the holocaust is illegal, because it can only stem from pure unadulterated bigotry and hatemongering as its source.
CuiusRegio 4 weeks ago
@kmank2 Really you're missing the whole point here...how DO you know it is only "revisionist nonsense" if no one is allowed to investigate and attempt vocal supports of their "theories" with what they call "evidence?" If history is not even allowed to be discusse, and there is ONLY an official story with which no one can disagree (as with 9/11 for example) how DO you know that it is "revisionist nonsense?" If you are so sure, then you should be HAPPY to examine what they offer.
TwitSpotter 1 month ago
@TwitSpotter " If you are so sure, then you should be HAPPY to examine what they offer."
Let's have a great big debate, televised live, with all the experts on both sides presenting their evidence. No emotional appeals, no racism or name calling, no nationalistic rants. Just a pure debate. This sort of thing has been offered in the past (by revisionists) and has never yet, to my knowledge, been taken up by the Holocaust dogmatists.
dissidentaggress0r 1 month ago
@dissidentaggress0r Michael Shermer and Mark Weber had a reasonably good debate that I found on youtube. It was civil, at least.
mdmguyon 4 weeks ago
I certainly hope Hitch didn't form his historical views from Irving's book on Goebbels.
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Lordradost 1 month ago
I do sympathize with the notion the late mr. Hitchens puts forward - I always found the specific laws against holocaust denial absurd - but I think his choice of words is poor.
Everyone should be allowed to question estabilished scientific facts - and yes, history is a scientific field - I agree there. I do wonder, though, how someone who questions evolution is delusional, whereas someone who doubts the holocaust is excercising his rights to freedom of speech and critical thinking.
~Sylv
Sylvine 1 month ago
@Sylvine "someone who questions evolution is delusional, whereas someone who doubts the holocaust...free speech and critical thinking.
Maybe because the holocaust just doesn't have that ring of truth to it....all those shifty eyed "witnesses" constantly glancing left as they spin their tales.
Chomsky drew a parallel to a person arriving on earth from another planet, hearing the holocaust story, and deciding "I don't believe" it. You wouldn't throw them in jail for that opinion - would you?
dissidentaggress0r 1 month ago
@dissidentaggress0r
I don't care whether it has a "ring of truth" to it. For many people, evolution and abiogenesis don't have it, either. That's a totally subjective term. Within the field of history, the holocaust is as undeniable a fact as evolution is within the field of biology.
I wouldn't throw anyone in jail for doubting an estabilished scientific fact, I'm in no disagreement there. I merely found the disparity noteworthy.
~Sylv
Sylvine 1 month ago
@Sylvine "That's a totally subjective term."
Is it the term that you find subjective - or truth itself? I really don't see what's so "undeniable" about the holocaust story - and I'm not even a "denier". Lots of people cite the "mountains of documents" to support it, and yet, where are they? If you count the many eyewitness reports as "documents" then, yes, there are a lot of those - many of which conflict with each other. The Holocaust is just another sacred cow.
dissidentaggress0r 1 month ago
@dissidentaggress0r The 'mountains of evidence' are literally mountains. You want to know where they are? Currently housed in about 14 different archives, with hundreds of thousands more supporting documents around the world.
YOU didnt know this. YOU have never seen the evidence because you never looked. So, like most retards, you assume if you dont know about it, it must not exist.
The holocuast is not a sacred cow, it is the subject of enormous historical debate (of which I am a part).
CuiusRegio 4 weeks ago
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@CuiusRegio "The holocuast is not a sacred cow, it is the subject of enormous historical debate"
Yes. The debate tends to center around "were there only 6 million killed - or could it have been more? Like, say, maybe 10 million?"
Then if some foolhardy scholar pipes up "I think there were only maybe 600,000 killed and that was mainly through reprisal actions in the eastern theater"
BAM! He's labeled "anti-semitic" and loses his tenure or his publisher or his paypal account or his funding.
dissidentaggress0r 3 weeks ago
@CuiusRegio "The 'mountains of evidence' are literally mountains"
Since you claim to be well informed on this topic please tell me what these "mountains" are comprised of. Just a general outline will be sufficient.
dissidentaggress0r 2 weeks ago
@dissidentaggress0r You want me to summarize the holocaust evidence in 500 characters? Seriously?
Fine, lets start with the documentary evidence, Nazi documents detailing the planning and organisation of the extermination (wansee), orders to occupied nations, train schedules, creamation targets and corrspondance, medical reports and experiments, by the MILLIONS. Not just German, but Polish, Italian, Slovak, French, every occupied nation. Thats not even including witnesses on both sides..
CuiusRegio 2 weeks ago
@CuiusRegio For every document that refers to extermination, there's one that refers to the final solution being a plan for evacuation. Both the Nazis telling everyone that they wanted to exterminate Jews and "evacuation" being a euphemism for "extermination" because they wanted to keep it a secret are presented as evidence for the Holocaust when only one can be true.
mdmguyon 2 weeks ago
@mdmguyon That, of couyrse, is an absolute lie. Please stop making silly shit up. The plans for forced avacuation are quite distinct and fell through as the germans advanced and conquered territories containing millions more jews. The Wansee conference documents deal specifically and clearly with extermination, noting that plans for forced evacuation had failed. ALL the evidence is for extermination, from every country involved, millions of documents, not even including witnesses.
CuiusRegio 2 weeks ago
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@CuiusRegio Millions of documents referring to extermination? That sounds high. It seems strange that Hitler's public proclamations of wanting to exterminate the Jews in, say, 1942 and before, are used as evidence of his order, but then, in 1944, Hungary's Jews passively got on the trains to go to Auschwitz without resisting. Wouldn't they have heard something? Hitler made a speech 3 days after the Wannsee Conference that explicitly contradicted an order for extermination.
mdmguyon 2 weeks ago
@CuiusRegio "The Wansee conference documents deal specifically and clearly with extermination"
Uh...no, they don't. The word is never used - at least according to Dr. Norbert Kampe, historian and director of the "Wannsee Conference" Memorial Centre in Berlin.
If you are tired of the Zionist propaganda google Gilad Atzmon and read his blog post on this topic.
dissidentaggress0r 1 week ago
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@mdmguyon
"...only one can be true."
Inverted claptrap.
The nazis threatened extermination openly, then encouraged emigration, then stopped emigration and physically sought out Jews - and others - for transport to the East.
Fact. Huge numbers were rounded up and transported to the Eastern camps.
Fact. 60-odd survivors were located from the AR sites.
Fact. Deniers have no alternative and no explanation for the dearth of compensation-hungry Jews.
timpovikings 2 weeks ago
@Sylvine It is one's right to criticize someone who questions evolution just as it is their right to question evolution. All that Hitch is saying here is that one must be able to exercise their right to freedom of expression. Hitch has criticized David Irving's studies of the holocaust in an interview on Charlie Rose's show.
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deadadelta 1 month ago
We should focus more on the value of critical thought when we are raising our children and teach or students. That way they can stick up for themselves and they wouldn't need to be protected against 'wrong' beliefs or 'wrong' thought. They will have to depend solely on their own critical judgment to make such distinction.
Cinqmil 1 month ago
Denying the holocaust is bad, but so is worshiping a state that murders over 1.4 million people in Iraq. Pot kettle black.
brownie1982ad 1 month ago
@brownie1982ad Why stop at 1.4 million? I mean if you are going to make up complete bullshit numbers, why not just claim they killed 8 million, or 17?
All condemn the evil nation that has been absolutely proven to have killed 25 quadrillion people in Iraq!
CuiusRegio 1 month ago
@CuiusRegio, what number do you want to go by? A U. N. report said that 500,000 children had died directly due to the sanctions that are the responsibility of the United States. But let's say it's a huge exaggeration and that the United States is only responsible for 30,000 deaths in Iraq. Doesn't that make it 10 times more outrageous than September 11 was?
mdmguyon 1 month ago
@mdmguyon Are you *really*comparing wartime casualties to a terror attack masterminded by a group of fanatics who felt that causing the loss of--potentially--hundreds of lives was justified because of their distorted grip on reality due to their interpretation of a stone-age religion?
Those men killed and wounded hundreds because they didn't like the way those 'western infidels' lived their blissful lives.
September 11 was not part of some grand occupation; it was death for the sake of death.
jaieet 1 month ago
@jaieet For years and years the US have bombed and invaded who they liked, when they liked. Half of what goes on will never make it back to the general public in its full integrity. You are very ignorant if you believe that September 11th was simply the act of Islamic extremist's for deaths sake. Would you simply sit back and watch another country invade, brutalize and occupy your nation? I'm sure you would want to fight back, but how do you fight back against the world's most powerful nation?
wengerisapeado 1 month ago
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wengerisapeado 1 month ago
@wengerisapeado "You are very ignorant if you believe that September 11th was simply the act of Islamic extremist's for deaths sake. "
Lucky you pointed that out, else I might've stewed in my ignorance for all of eternity *eye roll*
Why did they do it then? For war reasons? They weren't at war - or even a scaled conflict - with the US at that point. But they *did* make deaththreats when a 14 yr old internet-goer imagined up a flattering image of their prophet to paper.
jaieet 1 month ago
@jaieet It would of been for a number of reasons, not simply because of the 'western' so called blissful lifestyle. Do you really believe they are jealous of what we have? And yes of course there are extremists who are going to make death threats. We fly over their country and drop bombs on civilians, in Iraq alone there have been over 1 million civilian casualties. That doesn't include the future generations that will be born with defects.
wengerisapeado 1 month ago
@wengerisapeado No, there have not. I just finished slapping another fellow around for made-up numbers. The death toll of the Iraq war has been about 120,000 civilians, and the vast majority of those were killed by other Iraqis, not the US.
And that 120,000 dead still does not equal the number of Iraqis killed by theor previous leader, to say nothing if Iranians and israelis.
CuiusRegio 1 month ago
@CuiusRegio @CuiusRegio The numbers I provided are not made up, let me guess you are getting your information straight from the US government official statistics?
wengerisapeado 1 month ago
@wengerisapeado Yes of course the numbers you provided are made up. Complete and utter crap through and through. We both know it, so why are you pretending otherwise?
CuiusRegio 1 month ago
@CuiusRegio I can provide you with the credible links, i'll pm them to you. Can you also do the same so that I can see where you are getting your stats from? I'm assuming you are just taking your information from one source?
wengerisapeado 1 month ago
@wengerisapeado No you cant. How can you provide 'credible links' for a number you just pulled out of your own sphincter? not to mention that if you could have, you would have.
Not only are you a liar, but you are not even a very good liar.
CuiusRegio 1 month ago
@wengerisapeado "but how do you fight back against the world's most powerful nation?"
In which scenario? Which country are you talking about? At what point and period? Why do they specifically *need* to fight the US?
And in which alternate universe do you feel that this justifies the deaths of innocents who have nothing - in the slightest - to do with the conflict?
jaieet 1 month ago
@jaieet And what do you mean why do they need to fight the US? For decades the US has tried to impose its power over the world, fighting for global domination. Would you honestly sit back and watch your country get destroyed while your powerless to do anything? Obviously terrorism is not the right way about it, especially not when innocent lives are taken because of it, but i don't think it's right to just sit there and have such a narrow frame of mind. You need to see the bigger picture.
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@jaieet Do you not believe what the US is doing is a form of terrorism in itself? How can you justify invading another country to protect your own? Then add onto that the number of lies the US government has produced, one of the most notorious being the white phosphorous attacks of Fallujah. You start to get a very ugly picture of the US, and in reality this is just scratching the surface. Why do you think more soldiers killed themselves on returning from vietnam than those in battle?
wengerisapeado 1 month ago
@mdmguyon The UN report sais that about 500,000 children had died during the decade that sanctions were in place. The report however, did not blame the US< but blamed Iraq, which was spending tis money on rearming rather than taking care of its own citizens. Iraq blamed the sanctions of course, even as their military's share of the GDP tripled. And it wasnt US sanctions, it was UN sanctions.
CuiusRegio 1 month ago
What's the most shocking thing about the holocaust?
That there were 6 million Jews in the first place.
shebzydon 1 month ago
i don't get it
RomyBaby0x 1 month ago
"Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus."
ytcomposer 1 month ago
Hitchens didn't deny holocaust, I assume?...
TheLordHodne 1 month ago
@TheLordHodne no and he was the only person to point out the fact it was a christian action without any contempt.
xXDISASTERPIECE934Xx 1 month ago
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Good then... I got worried there for a minute
TheLordHodne 1 month ago
@TheLordHodne Of course not. He just stated that Holocaust deniers have a right to speak.
SuperFantasticFox 1 month ago
I watched all this and was greatly impressed. I read the comments and had the wind kicked out of me finding out that he had died in Dec 2012. How sad. He was so extremely intelligent. I agree on that part if free speech regarding David Irving. Right or wrong, keep an open mind.
belinda2118 1 month ago
R.I.P. Christopher Hitchens, You are still my fucking hero. :D
idkfaPL 1 month ago
BRILLIANT!!! The truth about life is that we will never see the likes of this man again EVER!!
"I am absolutely convinced that the main source of hatred in the World is religion and organized religion" - Christopher Hitchens
Thank you for the memory of your life.
AcaiAdvantage 1 month ago 36
@AcaiAdvantage Huge applause for religion as the scourge of mankind and yet everyone was so subdued during the holocaust denial part.
Why is that, I wonder....
dissidentaggress0r 1 month ago
there was no zyklon b in any gas chamber
there is no written document on the extermination of jews
the doors in the gas chambers could be opened from the inside
ground testers discover no mass graves.
banjosolid 2 months ago
@banjosolid Hahahaha. Shut up nazi!! You're in the wrong place. Instead: go to Degrelle videos and write: "He's the best thinker of xx century". Go to Flawrisson videos and write: "the jewry wasn't able of buy this brave guy". Go to Dresden bombing videos and write: "oh the children, the poor aryan children killed by the jews". Get out of here freak!
magomezga 1 month ago
@magomezga u mad faggot!? look at the evidence then argue back
banjosolid 1 month ago
One of his greatest speeches.
endofscene 2 months ago 17
Funny thing is is that this was uploaded the day after 'Our saviors' Birth
Turtlesonspeed 2 months ago
im spending my christmas afternoon listening to some hitchslap. cuz fuck baby jesus
Cheapshot420420 2 months ago
The most honest man I have ever experienced, we miss you dearly Christopher.
AxeHomeless 2 months ago
Christopher Hitchens doesn't support Holocaust Denial FYI.....
Richard Evans makes a good assessment of David Irving's ideas and convictions.
AceofDlamonds 2 months ago
@AceofDlamonds
He definitelly supports holocaust promotion though
gledalac1979 2 months ago
@gledalac1979
Hitchens? He doesn't necessarily advance or "promote" it like you say though.....it's just referred to as a part of history.
AceofDlamonds 2 months ago
@AceofDlamonds
He promoted holocaust as a source of alleged suffering of the jews as much as he promoted wars in the balkans and the middle east. We should look at the entire picture instead of what hitch and his minions want(ed)
gledalac1979 2 months ago
@gledalac1979
Haha..."minions"
The great thing about CH is that he opposes all tyranny, including the crap by Hitler, Pol Pot, a little from the Catholic Church, and definitely Islamic imperialism.
And your use of the word "alleged" makes me think you've been reading too much David Irving.
AceofDlamonds 2 months ago
@AceofDlamonds
who cares what he opposes after the fact anyway?
He was a criminally minded hidden jew. He definitelly
supported USA neoconnery and that's a far greater evil
than anything in the last century. His disappearance as
a demagogue of globalistic pseudo atheistic judaism is
well deserved.
gledalac1979 2 months ago
@gledalac1979 ?????? Hahahaha. Moronic nazi.... i know those words are synonyms.
magomezga 1 month ago
@AceofDlamonds
Of course holocaust is alleged, anything jews say is a presumed lie
and they have the most interest in pursuing it.
Watch the video on youtube "the last days of the big lie" or the links
between zionists and nazis and it will become clear, that is if you have any concience
and honesty. The fact that the zionists and nazis started in the same place (Austria) is by no means an accident.
gledalac1979 2 months ago
@gledalac1979
"Anything jews say is a presumed lie"
Thanks for that quote and your stupid conspiracy videos you're trying to link me to, typical radical loon without facts---just resorting to YouTube to be his prophet. When will you think for yourself.
Goodbye idiot.
AceofDlamonds 2 months ago
@AceofDlamonds
conspiracy theory?
You are talking about christopher hitchens whose entire existence was based on conspiracy theory veiled in a pseudo intelligent language
gledalac1979 2 months ago
@AceofDlamonds So he must also have opposed the tyranny of opinion enforced by the Zionist Holocaust lobby - which is exactly the impression I got from this video. If you can't debate a topic without fear of going to jail there is something deeply, fundamentally wrong with your society. End of story.
dissidentaggress0r 1 month ago
@dissidentaggress0r
Um...yeah. And that. Hitchens doesn't like Zionism.
AceofDlamonds 1 month ago
@dissidentaggress0r Its so easy to deal with lunatic holocaust deniers. pretty much as soon as anyone uses the phrase 'Zionist holocaust Lobby' you can feel quite confident that they are ignorant motherfuckers who should be ignored in all things.
CuiusRegio 1 month ago
@CuiusRegio Mearsheimer and Walt may disagree with you on that...but whatever. I'm sure you know better than they do. Your victimhood status gives you omniscience, doesn't it?
dissidentaggress0r 1 month ago
@CuiusRegio I don't think you listened to what hitchens said, you have just committed a genetic fallacy.
breakinmedia 1 month ago
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@breakinmedia I did listen with great attention to Hitchen's comments, thank you, and was quite impressed. There was no genetic fallacy here, nor in any of my comments.
CuiusRegio 1 month ago
@me6664 As far as GOD sending me to save you. Ha uh, no man can be saved by any other man only by GOD THROUGH CHRIST. I am here to preach a "message" of salvation to you. Not save you myself, "WOE is me if I take up a false position in the place of CHRIST." I am here to give you THE TRUTH & nothing else but that(TRUTH). Take heed the words I speak of ELOHIM & CHRIST THE LORD are not mine. They belong to THE FATHER & THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT bears witness to the truth. Learn something from it!
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@me6664 First! I didn't say anyone would burn in "hell." It just proves your own ignorance about GOD'S WORD. Hell as you call it comes from the Hebrew word Sheol. Which is mankind's common grave. No one is burning there as far as it is told..It is the earth in which we all return, the grave. The fiery Gehenna is another story, but i must tell you according to scripture. It is no man's job to say whether another man will ascend or descend. I only state the facts of GOD. & HIS WORD is what counts.
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
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@Camsauce87 Cure cancer? HAHAHAHA! Are you kidding me??!! You need to talk to your scientist boyfriends about that. After all they made it in their "scientific" labs. Hahaha you don't know your head from your hole do you? Hahaha
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@Camsauce87 The word of GOD that is in me will decimate & obliterate any so called education you think you have. Your whole psyche would be crushed. Your best bet is to keep it moving, or end up another intellectual casualty of this war of words!
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 Okay monkey boy. You may vehemently claim that your word of GOD obliterates scientific knowledge, but that opinion like I said, is old, primitive and tiresome these days. You can use your biblical circular logic to "crush" my arguments all you want. Your ideas will never cure cancer though; as a point of reference. Your Bible disproves evolution? I think the problem there is that this conversation between you and I is in itself, proof to the contrary.
Camsauce87 2 months ago in playlist Religion/Atheism
@Camsauce87 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HOW STUPID DO YOU SOUND? You just proved that being a primate is an insult. By calling me "monkey boy." Just goes to show how much of an idiot you are. That you would fight to be called the same thing that you "trying"(key word trying) to insult me with. BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME! TRY AGAIN! TRY AGAIN! TRY AGAIN! TRRYYY AGGAAAIIIINNNNN!
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MOT27 I never said being a primate is an insult. We evolved from primates physically and mentally, but clearly some of us haven't made the same steps intellectually that others have. Our primate ancestors were the ones that looked to the sky and likely thought of unexplainable supernatural ideas. Modern men (not the 'monkey boys') look to empirical observation for their understanding. I showed that quote to my dog and she didn't get it either; Sorry for expecting more of you
Camsauce87 2 months ago in playlist Religion/Atheism
@MessengerOfTruth27 And in case you 'still' don't see where the insult actually originates, it's on the person who evolved from primates but still thinks like one, unlike the atheists of today. I hope anyone reading these comments can see from this guy what dangers the process of religious ignorance and brainwashing poses to our integrity. You're a real shining star for the concept of being a dumbshit motherfucker, that's for sure.
Camsauce87 2 months ago in playlist Religion/Atheism
@Camsauce87 Aaahhhh the sound of sweet victory. Now on to the next victim! WHO'S NEXT?
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@Camsauce87 Before there were schools by what means were men deemed intelligent? By the power of their minds to"reason." That's wisdom & it is far beyond your primitive view. Wisdom is simple no overly complicated calculations. U atheist morons complicate everything by adding untruths to the equation of life. Life is simple Proof of that is this. When you want to understand something you don't add to it. You break it down to its simplest form. If you want to mislead someone you add to it.
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 And having just seen your post beginning "Before there were schools", I just want to point out that schools were a product of wisdom and reason... now you denounce what they have accomplished? We don't "add" anything to the equation of life either... If you knew what the scientific process actually was, you'd see that we "discover" new things rather than just arbitrarily "adding" them -_-. You don't really seem to have a stable intellectual basis magn.
Camsauce87 2 months ago in playlist Religion/Atheism
@Camsauce87 & to respond to the comment: "I just want to point out that schools were a product of wisdom and reason." Worldly wisdom is foolishness to GOD. Why do you think that after all the blasphemies that you atheist scum spew out ELOHIM still hasn't intervened? Because 1. He doesn't move when insignificant worms like atheists say so. 2. He is well aware of his own power & all of his accomplishments. 3. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE HAS IN STORE FOR FOOLS LIKE YOU. 4. He has everything running on
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@Camsauce87 4. He has everything running on a schedule. Nothing happens in this "UNIVERSE" with out his knowledge or consent. 5. The angels handle the matters of men & the events that are to occur. ELOHIM doesn't deal with sinners directly. 6. Maybe the last but not the least. ELOHIM gives time for people to repent. Just repent you know that you need to. Stop fighting him, he loves all people(on different levels & in different ways). He doesn't want to see people like you suffer. REPENT!
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@Camsauce27 You have no idea about what i know! GUARANTEE IT! The problem with idiots like yourself is that your too blind to see how stupid you actually are. Blind to evident reality! That is why "idiots like yourself" need a piece of paper to make you feel legitimately intelligent. Otherwise you think of yourselves as stupid. Actually I have the answers to those questions I posed Einstein I asked an atheist to answer em. Logically, if i might add!
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@mot27 You are correct that I have no idea what you know (since like proving God, it's inherently impossible, being a negative by nature), but what you don't know is much more painfully obvious. It's just that society is starting to tire of people like you who are stuck in the past with the same holes in your intelligence which have been improved upon endlessly by now. I actually just saw a video which reminded me of you: watch?v=BQXnS9narng&feature=related
Camsauce87 2 months ago in playlist Religion/Atheism
@GlompasaurusRex Well Glompasaurus, GOD has a strong case proving that it isn't fact at all. Besides the fact that to any "sane" person these theories don't make any sense at all. Where did apes come from? Why aren't there "some" neaderthals still evolving? If we were here for hundreds of thousands of years, Why have we only recently advanced in the production of certain technology? Where do U.F.O's come from? The list goes on! In the Bible I have all my answers how about your"theories?"
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MOT27 I'll be brief on this. Those questions are already sufficiently answered. You're clearly too uneducated to be aware of this, and your ability to ask them doesn't do anything to compensate for your intellectual dishonesty. These same questions have been repeated for so long, and answered sufficiently for so long, that I feel justified in digressing from formal response. Simply put, you're an idiot. Your ignorance is a seriously depressing experience.
Camsauce87 2 months ago
Great video: hope some politicians in Europe viewed it...they should be ashamed of these laws in Europe. Not worth of Countries that self-proclaim to be "democracies". Those laws are simply disgusting and against the art 19 of the Universal Declaration of rights!
Caucasianpride1 2 months ago
@me6664 The best Advice I can give to anyone wise enough to take it. Don't listen to un-informed people like yourself who have no knowledge at all about the things you"claim" to speak about. Learn about a thing before you judge Einstein! People's punishments will fit their crimes, an unrepentant heart shows no appreciation for the gift of life. Hence, is why people like you squander your life away. When people like you are on their death bed they have nothing to show for it. Just doubts!
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 you require religion to fullfill your life? then i greatly pity you. i will know when i die that i will have strived to make the world better through acts i choose, that i will have been following no-ones doctrine, that i have freedom to choose how to live, that i don't require someone to keep me from murder and harming innocents. and i know i will strive to bring about my ideal, my socialist dream, though my dream may not succeed, i'll know i tried, that i followed my ideas
me6664 2 months ago
@me6664 You obviously haven't been paying attention. I do not promote religion in any way shape or form. "You" confuse religion with truth. I practice truth, & I follow truth, not religion. Religion is man made a figmentation of the world's imagination. Pretty much the same thing as your religion which you claim you don't have. Evolution is still "belief based." Because there are no modern "neanderthals" walking around evolving. Or whatever "theory" or "philosophy" that you can come up with.
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 You. Are. Ignorant. Evolution is established scientific FACT backed by years of research and observation and a mountain of evidence. Read a fucking book ffs
GlompasaurusRex 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 For the love of all that is and ever will be, please please please try reading a fucking book or two before you act like you have something interesting to say. Anyone in their right mind can see from your questions/comments that you have ZERO knowledge of evolution, yet you act like you have relevant objections. I promise if you read up on it thoroughly, you'll look back on yourself and go "Ohhh... it really was obvious what a moron I was then." I promise.
Camsauce87 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 your about blasphemy and how we're atheist scum and that i will burn in hell. i am on the side that says religion is not fact and is merely a story to explain the world and as a tool of control. you say that the anti-christ is speaking through me and that god sent you to save me. also, plenty of evidence to suggest evolution, you just bury your head when you hear it. don't act llike you know the world, then scream that everyone else doesn't.
me6664 2 months ago
@Krommak Huh o_0
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
Ya'll can do all the wishful thinking you like! My GOD has spoken! & now his soul will answer for his blasphemies! If any fool wants to follow this fool to the pit.Your more than welcome to. But I already told you all he would answer for his blasphemy & Now! He Is! & not a theory in the world can help this blasphemer. So now is the time for you people to grow up & stop making up stories in your head! If not you will all likewise perish without the possibility of repentance. Seek truth & repent!
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 YES, LISTEN TO MY BROTHER IN GOD! PRAY TO A 2000 YEAR OLD CARPENTER! DON'T THINK FOR YOURSELF! READ A BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN LONG AFTER IT WAS SET! DEATH TO FREE SPEECH! YOU WILL ALL BURN UNDER THE ALL FORGIVING GOD! HE IS ALL LOVING BUT WILL SEND YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN TELLING A LIE!
me6664 2 months ago
@me6664 ThE same spirit that speaks through you.Is the same spirit of the anti-CHRIST that mislead hitchens until his death. Now, just recently I had been on here by the power of GOD. Speaking to you atheist about the dangers of your ways & less than 2 weeks later hitchens is dead. I had no prior knowledge of this imbecile existed b4 2 weeks ago. But GOD'S SPIRIT lead me here to issue a warning. HERE IS WHAT IT SAYS TO YOU IF YOU FOLLOW THIS PATH U WILL SUFFER WITH HIM! So go 4 it if u want.
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
Denying the Holocaust is an insult to the 6 billion buddhists that died in the German concentration camps.
karezza6 2 months ago
Understanding all the arguments that are supposed to prove you wrong can give you more right to believe you indeed might be right.
jorisewout 2 months ago
@jorisewout Absolutely. Just so long as you gather that understanding with honesty, and not just in order that you can use the knowledge only for refutation.
In other words, don't just study it to find the holes. Study it UNTIL you find the holes. If you don't find those holes, be prepared to BELIEVE it.
TheMonk72 2 months ago
In the words of Salman Rushdie,
"Goodbye, my beloved friend.
A great voice falls silent.
A great heart stops."
BreninBoncyn 2 months ago
Remarkable. A remarkable man. Up there with Payne and Orwell.
ThePhil64 2 months ago
Rest easy, Hitch. History will show you were on the right side of this one, and so many others. :(
mush01 2 months ago
@mush01 That sounds like a lot of wishful thinking there buddy. Hitchens won't be resting & it damn sure won't be easy for him. History will definitely prove that to be true.
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@ Do know what the theory of evolution is like? It's like a man committing a murder with a weapon. Wiping his prints off. Then, inviting a "friend" over to the area where the crime was committed. Giving his friend the murder weapon. Then calling the police & "reporting" a murder. Giving the police a description of his own "friend." And then standing back on the sidelines & watching chaos ensue. That's what evolutionists have done 2 the public. Filled your head with lies they don't even believe.
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 I think you need to read up on evolution, ethics and history. The fact that your mind cannot comprehend these things, doesn't make them untrue. Your view is SO conservative, it makes me wonder how you got there.
Krommak 2 months ago
@Krommak "Reading up on evolution" as you say is degenerative to anyone with any HUMAN DIGNITY within themselves. "I don't care about the so called wisdom of any man." What I do care about is the accuracy of his words. The meaning of what man says is far more important than the way he says it. For instance the way a man says something can confuse you if he doesn't present it in the way your used to hearing it. But the meaning! If you understand his meaning you get what he's trying to convey...
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 Not sure what you mean here. You mean to say that when I tell you to read up on evolution, I'm basically saying that I only care about my own views?
Krommak 2 months ago
@Krommak Whether your telling me to read up on my own views, your views, or someone else's views is totally irrelevant. My focus just like yours or anyone else's when researching the history of mankind should be focused on the facts. The truth!Not yours,mine,or someone else's "opinion","theory", or "philosophy." Any man/woman honest enough within themselves knows that science is basic assumptions that men make.
Then set out to prove their theories correct. Some even setting up false evidence.
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 You are telling me that I should be focused on 'the facts' and 'the truth' and that 'any person honest with himself knows that science is a basic assumption that men make'. What kind of rhetoric is that? It's like those people who argue and conclude their argument stating that 'this is a fact!'. Well, stating that something is a fact, does not make it so.
How do you find 'truth'? By trying to understand the world as it is, not by reasoning from dogma.
Krommak 2 months ago
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You use the rhetoric I mentioned a lot. You state that things are facts, truths or absolute rights (probably referring to absolute morality). Some examples from what you said:
"Which is obviously is a lie" --> stating that something is obviously a lie, does not make it so.
"It's not justified, so how can it be righteous" --> you never provide any arguments for why it's not justified.
Krommak 2 months ago
@Krommak Dude you are too slow for your own good. Which is why your not able to produce good & cannot understand it. Justification comes in the form of justice. Hence "Justification." My example about a unjust thing that is called a right here in america. Abortion of a child's life that a woman/man started through being irresponsible. Then choosing to abort the child's life before it can fully start bcuz of this reckless act of lust. It is not proper to call such things a "right." It isn't right
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 Stop trolling.
Krommak 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 the child has no consience, so it has no free-thought, ergo, it is not alive
me6664 2 months ago
@MessengerOfTruth27 (continued)
"Evolution conveys the false idea that..." --> where is the proof that it's false? All you seem to do is show that evolution is a concept that is difficult to understand. I can certainly agree with that, but that doesn't make it untrue.
"Satanic manipulation of species" --> sorry, wut?
Krommak 2 months ago
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"In case you didn't know, the 20th and 21st century is not the first time that beings have tampered with genes" --> again this rhetoric, saying 'in case you didn't know' does not make you an authority on the subject.
Krommak 2 months ago
@Krommak Your absolutely correct about me saying something is a fact does not make it a fact. No more than hitchens saying it is scientifically proven. It doesn't make it a fact either because science claims it is. What does make it a fact is the proof & evidence that these things occurred & are still occurring. What does make me authority on any given subject is when HE(I AM) says I am an authority. & he made "ME" such. Which is why you & no one else on here can dispute the words that I write.
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@Krommak CONTINUED..My point? Evolution conveys the false idea that: various types of animals & plants have their origin in preexisting types &that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations. Which is obviously a lie! Through satanic manipulation of the genes of all species. Even now scientist have thrown off the natural balance of the law of nature. In case you didn't know the 20th & 21st century is not the 1st time that beings have tampered with genes
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago
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@Krommak The mixing of the genes of different species obviously has unnatural effects on the proper order of things. For instance when a tiger & a lion are mixed. If you've done any research on it. You'd know that this Tion or Liger can't reproduce. Reason? ELOHIM said let everything on earth produce seed after it's kind. Man,animals, & plant alike all produce after their kind. You don't get an ape from a fish or a man from an ape. That's ludicrous! & It cetainly isn't worth my precious time!
MessengerOfTruth27 2 months ago