Hannan is such a liar, "we have no doctors"...erm, we have slightly more doctors per patient than the USA does !! But he is politican who wishes to live in THE USA. Please go, you arenot British, you wher eborn in facist Peru, where your family mad emoney from slavery and you live in Spain and work in Brussels. You have never lived in the UK or used the NHS. You sir are a Lord Haw haw.
That health care system is not sustainable. What's the average number of children British are having? Will there be enough children who will grow up to pay for the aging population?
@quirose its about as high as other nations but the thing is the UK NHS is paid for by taxes so for as long as you pay taxes you contribute to the system, it works the same in my country (Australia) although there are exemptions.
I feel bad for the US. Mr Hannan is just so full of nonsense. As an average Brit I would never trade our healthcare for the US system and you just know that this cretin will get get far more media coverage than the people like Prescott that actual talk fact on the subject.
We need more and more politicians like Daniel here in the UK - the leftist elite dominate every aspect of the media here, we need to break down the walls of social oppression, bring back democracy and restore people's individual freedoms and liberties!
"famed UK MEP Dan Hannan" I for one have never heard of him! I'd love to see his face when we tell him, "You love the American system so much, go live in it for a week!"
Dan Hannan is a right wing fifth column corporate shill. what the hell is he talking about? doctors going abroad? making us sicker this is a massive lie.
Tbh the first things America should do if they want to cut medical costs is 1) tighten up their litigation laws and 2) take steps to ensure greater competition between insurance companies
They might also provide healthcare for children if they wanted to subdue criticism from the left.
I require physo-therapy on my knee. I spent 5 months waiting on the NHS for this, and when it came, I got a few meetings (I won't say sessions) once a week were the girl literally gave me a sheet and told me to follow the exercises on it. I could have simply printed it off the internet. I went to my GP yesterday who himself said the NHS was an "inadequate service" and recommended I take private physio sessions. We spend more on the NHS than ANYthine else bar "gov and defence." It needs sorted.
i love how he says "those who weren't well-off and couldn't afford the best healthcare to be treated differently" as if poor people got healthcare before the NHS LOL
as for the "extra cash making things worse" that's because it was used to hire more GPs and they didn't have to work the hours they used to
Even if the American system was better ( which I doubt), the Americans spend 16% of their GDP on healthcare and Britain only 8%, also as Britain is slightly poorer per capita it works out the Brits spends about 40% per person of what the Americans spend ( that's private and public healthcare, so included Medicare ect. in the U.S. and private insurance in Britain), so your clearly not getting value for money.
I'm not in favor of NHS Style Health Care for America but this is a very slanted interview. But coming from Sean Hannity that shouldn't surprise anybody.
US health system is ranked in the bottom 7 of all industrialized countries: Google it.Rush says nationalized Health care's Nazism. So Australia is Hitlerville for its Medicare system? Rush has demented logic.I've lived in Australia most of my life & it works.My autistic son would 't be the bright well adjusted boy he's today without it.As all people join it's cheaper & you get more than private.You can still go get private luxury extras if you want.Don't fear what you don't know.
@TalkerOne - I'm sorry you think it's morraly right to deny poor people healthcare.
Every human being knows that public healthcare is moral, but some just care for proffit over what is right.
Why is that nearly all of the civilised world had adopted public health care? - because it is wrong to decide who gets to live or die by the depth of thier wallet.
@robinhood2be -Fox is Russian Pravda of Repub party-
I dont understand your comparison. I'm guessing you really don’t either.
Fox isnt run by the gov, its privately owned. It doesnt run only gov-approved content. It is often very critical of gov.
BTW: Fox often has MORE viewers than ALL the other major cable news channels combined. And that kinda makes sense- Americans self-ID as "conservative" more than twice as much as "liberal" (42% to 19%). BTW, 36% self-ID as "independents".
US health system is ranked in the bottom 7 of all industrialized countries: Google it.Rush says nationalized Health care's Nazism. So Australia is Hitlerville for its Medicare system? Rush has demented logic.I've lived in Australia most of my life & it works.My autistic son would 't be the bright well adjusted boy he's today without it.As all people join it's cheaper & you get more than private.You can still go get private luxury extras if you want.Don't fear what you don't know.
@TalkerOne The question is not how many articles you have but why do you feel the need to collect them? Given your own need to reinforce your prejudices the fact is the NHS does a good job in looking after the Nations health at a far cheaper cost than the US version.You of course will not except this as being fact and would rather believe a man who being born to fabulously wealth has never and will never have need of the NHS. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:”
This absolute nonsense of how the NHS is the envy of the world is quite simply a myth. I hasn't been the envy of the world since maybe the mid 50s. Our medical care is second rate. everyone is levelled downward no matter how much you may have paid in National Insurance contributions.
The NHS was a good idea at the time of its conception but its outcomes are not good compared to our competitors. EG Germany France Sweden etc. Some people just won't accept it. Hannan is right
@TheFornik8or I have never said the NHS is the "envy of the world" and am prepared to except that there are better health system out there.The fact that WHO rate us 18th should be proof of that. Given the choice between the NHS and the American alternative I'll stay with the NHS thanks.What annoys me about Hannan is because of his parents great wealth he has never used the NHS and unless he as a medical emergency accident, heart attack never will but feels he is expert enough to attack it
@TheFornik8or Sorry about the late reply. Where do I say "NHS is the envy of the world" I do say along with the bulk of UK citizens that Hannan is not only wrong but by giving out lies and falsehoods as your comment did about our NHS he gives those in the US who profit from there corrupt and evil health system ammunition against the health care reforms that are so obviously needed the US. The fact you support a twat like Hannan indicates your just as fucking twisted as he is.
You see, you make Dan Hannan's case for him. He was saying just the other day that we can't actually have any meaningful discussion about the failings of the NHS, because idiots like you simply shout, scream and swear at anyone who is even mildly critical of it.
What you don't seem to understand is that Hannan wants the best and isn't prepared to put up with second rate. If the NHS is so great why has no other country ever copied it?
People like you are completely blind to the fact that the NHS lags way behind the systems in other countries...Not just the EU, but places like Singapore have a far better health service. The NHS is about queues and rationing. All the other EU countries get drugs that we can't have but because of the Sacred Cow mentality of socialists we all have to starve.....Some people even die as a result! Whereas if they lived elsewhere. You are not just a fool, but a blind foll which is worse
You see, you make Dan Hannan's case for him. He was saying just the other day that we can't actually have any meaningful discussion about the failings of the NHS, because idiots like you simply shout, scream and swear at anyone who is even mildly critical of it.
What you don't seem to understand is that Hannan wants the best and isn't prepared to put up with second rate. If the NHS is so great why has no other country ever copied it?
@TheFornik8or I repeat, Where do I say "NHS is the envy of the world" I do say along with the bulk of UK citizens that Hannan is not only wrong but by giving out lies and falsehoods as your comment did about our NHS he gives those in the US who profit from there corrupt and evil health system ammunition against the health care reforms that are so obviously needed the US. The fact you support a twat like Hannan indicates your just as fucking twisted as he is.
@TheFornik8or - So why is that the US has higher "illness" rates than the UK?
Why is that there are so many US citizens who simply cannot afford to be treated?
In the future people will look back at how wrong and backward people like you are.
What gives you the right to decide who gets healthcare and who deos not? - EVERY SINGLE human being on the plannet has a right to healthcare, not just the ones with deep wallets.
But how many of those papers were owned by Rupert Murdoch?
One other paper that will also tend to speak negatively of the N.H.S. that isn't a branch of News Corp is the Daily Mail, but you can't really take anything they say seriously as they supported the Nazis rise to power: ' Hurray for the black shirts' was their front page in 1933 when Hitler became chancellor of German. And also provided funding to The British Union of Fascists lead by Oswald Mosley.
This man is a loon and far off the 'main stream' of British politics. Currently in Britain the governing Conservative Party is pushing through legislation to privatise university education; Prince Charles' car windows were even smashed during a protest in London 2 days ago. Yet even the leader of the Conservative Party David Cameron has called this Hannan fellow 'foolish' and ' out of touch'. If they tried to get rid of the NHS there'd be a revolution and the P.M. put in jail
The Commonwealth Fund, a US based organisation, has come out and said that the NHS is the most efficient system out of those in the survey, and that the US was bottom. Yes, the NHS has its problems but nothing like the big hole that is the US one.
PS Anyone in the US, could please start a petition so that Fox makes Dan Hannan an offer he cannot refuse!
@mlukhman I just read the study from the group you mentioned. It was done by sending doctors an email questionaire. If you are a doctor working for the NHS are you going to in writing critique your boss and the system that is paying you? I could give you a dozen more reasions why the Commonwealth Fund study is a joke that doesnt meet basic peer review standards. Read the study - I did.
The NHS is independent, it's like the police, it's non politicised. Government can make macro decisions like it can with the police i.e. spend more on anti-terror operations: spend more on cancer treatment. But the idea that a doctor would be scared to write negatively about the government for fear of his job is laughable.
@mgore90 Sure its independent, just like the government union that runs it. Gimme a break, you cannot even be so foolish as to believe what you just wrote.
Unison ( the Union with the largest number of NHS staff) was formed in 1933, before the NHS even existed. Don't be so cocky in your reply, because to be honest you even had me thinking,' O wow maybe there is some large government run union that I haven't heard about'. British doctors are well paid (family doctors earn a minimum of $180,000 a year, specialists earn a lot more), more so than countries like France where the government does interfere more, it's a good balance.
@mgore90 So you are saying that the union has no political influence and has no wish to do so. If you read British newspapers you would know how powerful that union is policy wise and how in many ways they preserve the status quo.
...shares his views about the health system. Improvements and reforms are always topics politically, but no politician in touch with the British public would oppose the NHS as Hannan does. Sadly for Mr Hannity, the chance of Mr Hannan becoming Prime Minister is zero. To hear a more typical opinion of the NHS, perhaps Sean Hannity should ask a doctor who works there every day, or an average British citizen.
@reddingpa I agree with you - the sad thing is that the NHS is a sacred cow, which no-one would ever dare privatise (not even Mrs T dared to even think of it).
Maybe one day we'll copy the French or Japanese Health systems, which are far, far better. Here's hoping!
...and the private system still exists as an alternative, which works the same way as the American system. Aside from the £7 prescriptions, every experience I and every family member has had on the NHS has been free, and waiting time has been a matter of a couple of days, a week at most. Emergencies are obviously dealt with right away. Sean Hannity has curiously chosen one of a tiny minority in the UK critical of the NHS as a concept; no major political party, including Mr Hannan's party,...
...the UK's care quality 12 places above that of the US. Canada was 5th, Japan 1st, France 3rd. All of these countries have a publicly funded system, or one in which insurance is mandated and subsidized for the poor. I have an uncommon medical condition for which I'm receiving a portion of my treatment privately, since understandably the NHS is less specialized in the area. However, I still get subsidized NHS prescription drugs (£7 for a month, free if you're elderly or a child)...
@reddingpa Japan has the largest Public debt, followed by France and Canada. That "publicly funded system" is simply unsustainable because it ignores the cost raising principles of a third party payer system. The only way to address cost is through direct competition, and it looks like the West wants to go through the pain of a Soviet style collapse just to understand that point. Good luck.
@davijeph I worked for private insurance and Welfare (A form of Statecare, or public insurance). BOTH need to go. Only for ER trips could they even BEGIN to be justified.
@Rensune If you get rid of private insurance and welfare how do millions of citizens rich or poor pay for cost effective health care? How does having treatment for anything above a headache become so cheap that every citizen children, pensioners, low, medium paid, pre-conditions etc. would be able to obtain it without going bankrupt? Please explain why overall UHC tax based single payer systems seem to offer the same healthcare (or better) than the US private based system and at less cost?
@Rensune "By increasing your debt and making your currency weaker" that would only be true if your nation spent more than your competitors. It is the US system that takes up around 16% of you GDP compared to around 8% from that of you industrialised competitors. For all that increase in input the US does not achieve overall noticeable improvements in care. I except that at its best the US can be world beaters but you lack the depth and universality of care that other nations have.
@davijeph Is not the most excellent care in those state the most expensive? As far as "universality, in the UK alone there are 850,000 who are not getting that "universal" care. Because YOU cannot ignore the laws of economics without it crushing you in the end. Look at Cuba, North Korea, the Soviet Union.
@Rensune Who are the 850,000 who are not getting UHC in the UK? to answer your first question "Is not the most excellent care in those state the most expensive" not necessarily if you had looked at "the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context” you would find that even within the US system some States some have better healthcare at lower cost to others. Many what you would call Socialist Nations have far sounder economies than the US Germany, Holland, Denmark Norway, Sweden examples.
@davijeph yes, and the states with lower cost have less government intervention. (Though on government intervention I think it truly sad that people that just gained freedoms in the last century are so quick to give them over to the government.)
@Rensune Who in the last century gained freedom from who? It would be true too say that the further back in time you go the more authoritarian the Nation State was and that includes even the US. Developing from the control of the few over the many into the imperfect but far more democratic and stable Nations we have today. I've a feeling you do not like the idea of democracy (the control by the many over the few) perhaps but given histories lessons I'll have democracy any day.
@Rensune By the way you have not told me who the 85,000 UK citizens are that do not have UHC? It should also be pointed out that Hannan born and raised in Peru by far right multimillionaire parents given the best private education that money can buy. Is a person who has never had any practical experience of the NHS owning too the fact he lives in Spain.
What Daniel Hannan is saying is an insidious misrepresentation of the reality of the NHS. The UK's health system is one of the greatest in the world. No one is denied treatment based on their financial position, as in America, or their age, as some opponents claim. The stress of illness is not compounded by unaffordable medical bills. The UK spends about 8% of its GDP on health care, versus 16% in the US. The per capita tax funding of health care is lower than that of the US. The WHO ranked...
@reddingpa You do realise that the socialised medicine countries free load off the innovations (cancer treatment, artificial hearts etc...) created by the american system right? There is no question that American healthcare is the best in the world however the American healthcare SYSTEM is one of the worst. There is a reason rich kings all over the world choose American hospitals.
@bonfirejovi Wow buddy, you need to come back to reality. If your going to make wild accusations you should back it up with facts, cause just as many medical innovations are created by other countries, there is no "freeloading", in fact many innovations are jointly funded and founded with other countries. The American healthcare is by far the worst of all industrialized countries, but I will agree with you, Americans have some of the top specialized treatment facilities...that only the rich get
NHS and the N.I.C.E is a disaster, I've lived in the UK for 3 years, one 2 occasions I was refered to the U.S. for treatment. By a % of a country's population more people die in the UK's system than in the U.S.. It's a very inefficient system run by government beurocrats instead of professionals and let's be honest, this is all about "cost" and people rather be cheap with their medical care.
@TalkerOne Britain had a AAA credit rating? i know perfectly well that PFI schemes will drain this country for longer than the NHS considering that people who HAVE to pay for medical treatment are often driven to crime. i know and ignore the "gordon brown eats babies for breakfast" campaign going on and after watching this upper-middle class prick beating off to margaret thatcher's policies spouting unbased, daily mail crap. huge numbers of people didn't have ANY treatment before the NHS
noone in th euk even knows who this fuck hannan is i had to look him up on wikipedia. he's not even a real MP he's an MEP and a complete prick to boot. fuck off to america hannan.
The UK NHS is the most ethical healthcare system in the world.All pay tax, all get healed. Doesnt matter who u r. So whats wrong with the NHS? 1: get rid of all the managers, run it like a business makes it less eficient. 2: wage cap say £100k. 3: we need a nationalised generic drug company, stop the extortion. 4: keep everything: eg cleaning, in house. This would save mns or bns. You americans wouldnt have 2 pay 4 private ins. state ins would do it 4 less. Jesus heart the NHS!
If the interviewer spent more time looking to his own countries excuse for a healthcare system he might not spend so much time trying to find flaws in foreign more cost effective systems.Americans reading this look up "Kayleen Flanery surviving cystic fibrosis"and "my struggle with the american health care system"If you cannot see your system is sick, shame on you.Why is it when FOX talks about Brit healthcare they wheel out Daniel Hannan not well known in UK and more right wing than Hitler.
@davijeph Hitler was a socialist who favored nationalized schools, nationalized healthcare and gun control. Hannity and Hannan oppose all those things. Read a history book, I dare ya....
Hitler had a Socialised education system so does the USA and all advanced civilised societies. Or in the "land of the free " would you allow education only to those families that can afford it like your disgusting insurance based healthcare. If ever a country needed to protect its self by having gun control it's the USA.The fact I and almost all people in Europe support these things does not make us NAZI.Try to be more civilised I dare ya....
@MrJoeyZaZa My statement about Hannan by your own admission is correct Hitler was a socialist (in the ultra Nationalist hated Communists and everybody else come to think of it sense)Hannan being far to the right in his views therefore is more rightwing than Hitler.
@MrJoeyZaZaTry and understand Hitler hated socialist as much as communists.Hannnan has not been given the chance to execute anybody.Your statement about harm done by left/right is open to debate,but let that go.Hannan is giving an extremely bias view of the NHS which you would expect from someone of his background .The NHS on the whole works very well and certainly superior overall to your insurance based system.Just for the record I do not class my self as much of a socialist but the NHS yes.
I'm sorry but America and it's people are backward! Why would you vote against a healthcare system that would benefit millions? You parade yourself as the land of the free when in reality you're a country built on innequality and opression!
We want healthcare reform But we want HEALTHCARE, not to be forced to buy something we can't afford just to funnel money to wallstreet. Revamping the system to pay healthcare system instead of 3rd party would reduce the overall costs. Having non-profit options would bring more competition. Medicare expends more than it has in intake and States are going broke to govt option has been incompetent and many docs don't accept HMO, and govt options anyways.
so how do you feel about paying the 15% VAT tax on every thing you buy to support NHS? How do you feel when you are refused care because it is not cost effective?, The fact is someone must pay for it and it a simple economics since there is not an umlimited amount of funds or medical care someone gets turned away. Not to mention the fact that all the working citizens and paying for the slugs who wont go out and get a job, prefering to live off the working people.
@tanglewooddrive What you don't realise is there is still the option to use Private healthcare in the UK. Just cos you imagine you can't does not mean it's true.
You have an environment of sedition, when you get this unbalanced rubbish. The NHS, is something many of us Brits are thankful for, something the US is now going to implement a pale shadow of
out system of healthcare isn't perfect but then i dare you to find one that is perfect
wen u get down to the basics, if i suddenly became ill i could walk into a hospital or surgery, get diagnosed and be treated whether i had the money or not
i know we sometimes have to deal with long waiting, but if ur condition was life-threatening or you were doubled over in pain the staff would make an effort to treat you faster
@Emrald70 Don't let the political hype or inexperienced people fool you. It's the same here. If there is an EMERGENCY you cannot by law be turned away.
Call out pain, scream, act like you can' t breathe, you will be in STAT.
The problem is the bill you obtain afterwards and many people don't understand the system so they don' t apply for emergencey Medicaid or request to make payments.
Hospital staff try to usurp cash down, but they can't deny you if you can't STAT care, and could be sued.
Wow, Hannah is nuts. I live in the UK, grew up in Austraia and have lived in the US. I earn around $90000 a year. I pay the highest rate for NHS that applies. I am fit so don' t need much medical care. I would benefit from private insurance and have had it in the past. Even so, I support the NHS. None of this is true lol. My doctor perfers the NHS, and so does everyone I know. I am not a Labour voter but they have done vey well with the NHS. I have always found it excellent and caring in care.
@Catholicism777 I have private health care and my daughter has had several million dollars worth of medical care. I make less than 10 dollars an hour part time, but I have good insurance.
But the rich are still making a profit out of private health care.
I'm not a socialist or a liberal. But nationalized health care is as essential in a meritocratic society as free education. If a government got rid of the NHS in Britain it would be political suicide. It would be like taking away women's votes.
@Catholicism777 Good, Without profit there is no incentive to have good care and please the customer. Which is why the NHS neglects so many patients and many die of starvaytion on neglect in NHS facilkities. Don't try to deny it because your own government and press say it is true.
The NHS has managed fine since the end of WW2! I wonder how? Oh because you still get salary rises as incentives to work hard! Just not extortionate at the cost of the taxpayer. Would a docter really not be a docter if they only got millions of £/$ instead of tens of millions? Surely they do it to help people too?
If your army is able to get 1st class and nationalized health care, seen as actually better than private, why can't the people? Do you have no sympathy for the millions of people in your country who cannot afford health care? Is it not morally wrong that people are left to die on the streets because they aren't rich enough to afford private insurance in the only reigning super power on the planet?
The way you say it suggests there are rows of people left to die and starving. No matter what you may hear, such cases are seen as atrocius and EXTREMELY rare which result in enquiries.
@TalkerOne Clearly spoken by someone who has never seen the dedication to serve people of people in the NHS. You only have to google "welovethenhs" to get the views of real brits experiences who wish to counter this nonsense.
@hauskalainen Would you like me to start posting some undeniable facts from your own government and press about NHS "dedication"? UK Daily Mail - "Up to 1,200 needless deaths, patients abused, staff bullied to meet targets... yet a secret inquiry into failing hospital says no one's to blame." Wow, what dedication .... so tell me hauskalainen do you just make it up as you go?
Here is what the report that the Daily Mail was reporting from actually said.
"Taking account of the range of opinion offered to the Inquiry, including a report from two independent experts, it has been concluded that it would be unsafe to infer from the figures that there was any particular number or range of numbers of avoidable or unnecessary deaths at the Trust." So what did the Daily Mail go an do?
Secret? It is published on the Department of Health web site!
This was one NHS Acute trust. There are 149 acute trusts, 122 foundation trusts, 50 or so mental care trusts, and 152 primary health care trusts and this one stood as being very different from the others.
@TalkerOne Without profit there is also no incentive to take advantage of the customer, lower standards to make more money or outright drop the customer when they become sick. The people who work for the NHS get paid giving them incentive to try and take care of there customers (yes I know it has it's problems but most of us feel the NHS can improve and doesn't need to be thrown away). One last thing, The Daily Mail is NOT, as you put it "from our own government".
@swordhunter12 Wrong again - If you do not make customers happy they go somewhere else. The first rule of capitalism is "if you dont take care of the customer someone else will". I never said that "The Daily Mail" was your government - are you capable of reading for comprehension or is your English as bad as your economics?
@TalkerOne I said that because you said "would you like me to start posting undeniable facts from your own government" and then immediately gave a newspaper as a reference. Also I will admit that you make a good point about profit being a good incentive to care for people as to not lose their service but (speaking hypothetically) that won't stop some particularly greedy people. What if (for the sake of argument) it's more profitable to abuse a customer than to keep their service.
@swordhunter12 Oh and don't get me wrong I have no problem with private healthcare the problem I have is with it being the only option. Nor do I believe in a solely nationalized health system because, as people have pointed out before, it has problems with standards (although I believe those standards could probably be improved if the health tax was raised but that's probably an idea to think about AFTER the economic crisis has passed). I prefer a system where we can chose between the 2.
@swordhunter12 One last thought, while it is true that certain hospitals have major problems that isn't necessarily true for the whole system and, even then, one or two stories doesn't necessarily speak for the whole hospital (I know someone who works for the NHS and they once complained about ONE nurse not taking proper care of her patient but that doesn't mean everyone in the hospital is like that). Some stories are based on misunderstandings. Continued in next comment.
Story: The pregnant woman who gave birth in the car park because they wouldn't send an ambulance. Reason: Ambulances are for things like heart attacks, bullet wounds and broken bones: things that almost certainly need to be dealt with in the hospital i.e: medical emergencies. Giving birth can be dealt with at home and is rarely terminal therefore it is not considered a medical emergency.
Right that's all I wanted to say. Sorry that was so long.
@swordhunter12 The government in the UK receives more than enough revenue for the NHS however as usual the bureaucrats squander it. Lets face it, the government monopoly is about as inefficient as you can get.
it's shit. the simple fact is we are well behind america in terms of quality care. America, don't let obama alter your mentality to make you in his own image.
you are not socialists. you a shining beacon of moderate conservatism, don't do what Britain did. It's a great idea in principle, sure, but it does not work.
On behalf of all the European viewers who have watched this nonsense and wouldn't swap their own national FREE healthcare systems, this is what we have to say: the American citizens are without a doubt the DUMBEST population on Earth!!! I feel so sorry for Mr Obama. He is trying to sway a herd of sheep away from the edge of the cliff but those stupid creatures are totally unable to reason with their own minds.
ATREUS2000, are you at all aware that about half of the US population supports nationalizing healthcare? Your bullshit sweeping insults ain't doing nothing but making you look ignorant.
Well genius, about half the nation did support nationalizing healthcare (depending on what polls you looked at - of course if you're a Glenn Beck-ite, you'd think no one supported it). But the current healthcare bill being pushed through Congress diminished most support for it. I was a supporter of semi-nationalizing healthcare up until about a month ago, at which point I realized that Dems are just as scummy as Republicans when it comes to looking out for us.
@ATREUS2000 you dont represent European voters. Gimme a break. I have a stack of 100 stories form your own newspapers and your own government of thousdands of cases of the most cruel neglect and abnuse of pateints in your NHS hospitals.
@TalkerOne If your stories were true, why wouldn't at least ONE political party in the UK have a policy to kill off the NHS? There are any political parties and NOT ONE opposes the NHS.
The answer is that these stories are either untrue or not representative of the system as a whole. The British people are not stupid and neither are their political parties,
@hauskalainen because the second largest employer in the world is the British NHS. Politicians fear them & reports from your own government and press are reporting what I said so denyiong them just serves to make yourself look a tad silly.
@TalkerOne Ha Ha Ha. That is the most riduluous riposte that I HAVE EVER HEARD!!! Hannan is ultra right wing and got totally ticked off by his party leader for saying these things. He doesn't care because he is going to keep his job as a writer for the Daily Telegraph and I suspect he has cleaned up on the slush funds from the US health care industry and the right wing media. Will he get re-elected? WILL HE HELL!!!
Hahahaha and you call the Americans stupid? There is no such thing as a free lunch. America has something even worse than socialized medicine which is government granted monopolies and employer insurance. That is why the prices are so high. If America adopted a free market solution of an individual market than prices would fall dramatically due to competition, much like they did in laser eye surgery market. Btw Obama = Bush 2.0.
WTH!! NHS gives us good healthcare for a low price and is in our taxes. In america you pay thousands of dollars to restitch a finger. Why is a NHS bad?
Why are Americans so scared of socialism. Oh yeah. We only hear the rich people speak from the US . And this Hannan is a nut. Simply look at the life expectancies. That says it right there.
Dan Hannan is nuts. I am an American living in England. Love the NHS and the care I have received. When I hear the stories from America and how much they pay, it's crazy. America is sick.
1. Our system has a primary focus on saving lives and improving their quality, whereas their systems focus is on saving money and preserving the system.
2. Americans are wealthier and we just have more money to spend on it. It is important not to underestimate this reason. As always the more money you have the more you spend.
3. The United States has an aging baby boom problem that is worse than most other countries, so it is understandable that the expense of end of life care is higher for us.
It's far more because of two things, firstly free market reigns supreme in the US healthcare market, So doctors and hospitals and big pharma set prices, secondly because doctors and hospitals are private businesses, they need insurance to protect against suing.
Both consequences of the US free market based healthcare system
@TalkerOne #3. You just hit the problem on the nose there. We don't even have enough institutions to get enough nurses and doctors to fill the supply for the oncoming demand. HHR reports state we could be having over 70 million aging in the system on Medicare soon and already are in the deficit in spending. FICA is only 2.9% now and will have to raise to fill in the demand. It could go up as much as 19.2% if we had single payer, and that still would not solve the problem with 300 million.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many refuse to acknowledge the ugly truth behind the "Statistics" that reflect on America. America has a population of African-Americans & Latinos who, for a variety of reasons, experience health problems & higher mortality rates than other parts of the population. If you remove those two groups and compare Apples to Apples (i.e. Europeans to European Descendents) a completely different reality emerges. One that exposes the lies behind the Pro-Socialist Myth.
Hannan doesn't have a point. His own party has been alienating him after he stuck his foot in his mouth like that. Nearly all of the population in the UK supports the NHS.
The yanks have a choice to create a better healtcare system without out socialism. You didn't listen your heard it but you didn't to listen. DMV for flushots....? Fuck You!!!
NHS is a corrupt pyramid scheme that will fall under the weight of its own EVIL. People will realize they are overtaxed and conservative parties will be overwhelmingly popular.
NHS steals from the people, creates a vote-buying slush fund for corrupt bureaucrats and greedy politicians, restricts freedom to healthcare, and returns a mere fraction of what was stolen from the people. Of course NHS leaves people iller and poorer. It cannot be otherwise.
Are you saying that because that is what you have heard over there in your sound proofed country. The place where hardly any one has left the countrfy but will quite happily tell me what is going on in our NHS because Fox news has told you so. Go fuck yourself
I'm saying that because I understand morality and economics. Socialized medicine is always evil and is inevitably a failure. Keep your immoral failure to yourself. Do not infect America with your evil system of theft and corruption and greed.
Excuse me, we have got nothing to do with your shit sytem. Your the ones that have dragged us into this. Do what the fuck you like. It is one of those rare cases where what you choose doesn't effect the rest of the world so do what the fuck you like. If you like your country men dying around you then you go ahead. No skin off our nose. Just don't pull us into it or you will get us defending it . GOT IT
how come the top countries (ranked by the WHO) for healthcare have socialised medicine.
Corruption and greed... don't make me laugh... you really should remove the plank from your eye before criticising the mote in another.... Why does the US have a worse infant mortality rate than Cuba, or does your 'morality' stop when the child is born
do some learnin' and you'll actually see you understand nether morality, nor economics...
The WHO is a socialist propaganda mill designed to glorify socialist stealing and slander capitalist superiority. Nothing the WHO claims is trustworthy.
Why would the proletariat mind if they are slaves? They would not. They had nothing to begin with and everything to gain. Offer them their neighbors belongings by theft and they will support you 100%. It's and anti-social disorder issue, the ends justifies the means.
They never thought to help develop it with others as a community like co-ops due. They ask for tyranny so they can just legally steal it and control people. They are on SOMA so don't care.
My father was living in England when the discovered that he had colon cancer. The National Health Service (NHS) denied his treatment on the basis that he was too old. Fortunately he had American Health Insurance and could go to a private clinic. He is sure that if he had to relay on NHS he would be died now.
The NHS is an option of health service. There is nothing in the legislation to stop your father from getting treatment elsewhere i.e. privately.
To suggest anecdotally that the NHS is flawed because it failed to treat your father, but most probably treated others with the same resources to prolong their lives is your use of rhetoric that misinforms and misdirects information for your misguided view on what is being debated about the US health service.
Hannan is such a liar, "we have no doctors"...erm, we have slightly more doctors per patient than the USA does !! But he is politican who wishes to live in THE USA. Please go, you arenot British, you wher eborn in facist Peru, where your family mad emoney from slavery and you live in Spain and work in Brussels. You have never lived in the UK or used the NHS. You sir are a Lord Haw haw.
bakersteven3 1 month ago
TELEPROMPTER! Never looks away. Take acting lessons.
daedatube 2 months ago
That health care system is not sustainable. What's the average number of children British are having? Will there be enough children who will grow up to pay for the aging population?
quirose 4 months ago
@quirose its about as high as other nations but the thing is the UK NHS is paid for by taxes so for as long as you pay taxes you contribute to the system, it works the same in my country (Australia) although there are exemptions.
irishgodfatherchris 2 months ago
@quirose Immigrants.
TheAsymmetrical 1 month ago
I feel bad for the US. Mr Hannan is just so full of nonsense. As an average Brit I would never trade our healthcare for the US system and you just know that this cretin will get get far more media coverage than the people like Prescott that actual talk fact on the subject.
davkem 4 months ago
What a champion of freedom!
justgetsome 5 months ago
This is absolute nonsense, the English NHS is horrendous, the Scottish NHS, although not perfect, does offer decent health care.
BonnieBlueFlag1314 7 months ago
We need more and more politicians like Daniel here in the UK - the leftist elite dominate every aspect of the media here, we need to break down the walls of social oppression, bring back democracy and restore people's individual freedoms and liberties!
Hannan for Prime Minister!
matrix4022 8 months ago
"famed UK MEP Dan Hannan" I for one have never heard of him! I'd love to see his face when we tell him, "You love the American system so much, go live in it for a week!"
lizziedavidson1987 8 months ago
The guy is a fool. Seriously question what you hear here.
incredibleXMan 9 months ago
Dan Hannan is a right wing fifth column corporate shill. what the hell is he talking about? doctors going abroad? making us sicker this is a massive lie.
RAMSEY1987 9 months ago
Doctors going abroad ,when you train to drive a taxi ,you sign a contract to work for a garage.
jrobertsoneff 1 year ago
Tbh the first things America should do if they want to cut medical costs is 1) tighten up their litigation laws and 2) take steps to ensure greater competition between insurance companies
They might also provide healthcare for children if they wanted to subdue criticism from the left.
DukeofWellington91 1 year ago
I require physo-therapy on my knee. I spent 5 months waiting on the NHS for this, and when it came, I got a few meetings (I won't say sessions) once a week were the girl literally gave me a sheet and told me to follow the exercises on it. I could have simply printed it off the internet. I went to my GP yesterday who himself said the NHS was an "inadequate service" and recommended I take private physio sessions. We spend more on the NHS than ANYthine else bar "gov and defence." It needs sorted.
matrix4022 1 year ago
i love how he says "those who weren't well-off and couldn't afford the best healthcare to be treated differently" as if poor people got healthcare before the NHS LOL
as for the "extra cash making things worse" that's because it was used to hire more GPs and they didn't have to work the hours they used to
scottishlowoflow 1 year ago
Even if the American system was better ( which I doubt), the Americans spend 16% of their GDP on healthcare and Britain only 8%, also as Britain is slightly poorer per capita it works out the Brits spends about 40% per person of what the Americans spend ( that's private and public healthcare, so included Medicare ect. in the U.S. and private insurance in Britain), so your clearly not getting value for money.
mgore90 1 year ago
I'm not in favor of NHS Style Health Care for America but this is a very slanted interview. But coming from Sean Hannity that shouldn't surprise anybody.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
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US health system is ranked in the bottom 7 of all industrialized countries: Google it.Rush says nationalized Health care's Nazism. So Australia is Hitlerville for its Medicare system? Rush has demented logic.I've lived in Australia most of my life & it works.My autistic son would 't be the bright well adjusted boy he's today without it.As all people join it's cheaper & you get more than private.You can still go get private luxury extras if you want.Don't fear what you don't know.
robinhood2be 1 year ago
Fox is the Russian Pravda of the Republican party.
robinhood2be 1 year ago 4
@robinhood2be sticks & stones...you dont have what it takes to post any meaningful refutation....
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne - I'm sorry you think it's morraly right to deny poor people healthcare.
Every human being knows that public healthcare is moral, but some just care for proffit over what is right.
Why is that nearly all of the civilised world had adopted public health care? - because it is wrong to decide who gets to live or die by the depth of thier wallet.
TomHartill 1 year ago
@robinhood2be -Fox is Russian Pravda of Repub party-
I dont understand your comparison. I'm guessing you really don’t either.
Fox isnt run by the gov, its privately owned. It doesnt run only gov-approved content. It is often very critical of gov.
BTW: Fox often has MORE viewers than ALL the other major cable news channels combined. And that kinda makes sense- Americans self-ID as "conservative" more than twice as much as "liberal" (42% to 19%). BTW, 36% self-ID as "independents".
122436Joe 5 months ago
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US health system is ranked in the bottom 7 of all industrialized countries: Google it.Rush says nationalized Health care's Nazism. So Australia is Hitlerville for its Medicare system? Rush has demented logic.I've lived in Australia most of my life & it works.My autistic son would 't be the bright well adjusted boy he's today without it.As all people join it's cheaper & you get more than private.You can still go get private luxury extras if you want.Don't fear what you don't know.
robinhood2be 1 year ago
only a Tory could say that
scottishlowoflow 1 year ago
@scottishlowoflow Do you have any idea how many articles I have form your own newspapers with the neglect and the horror stories?
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne The question is not how many articles you have but why do you feel the need to collect them? Given your own need to reinforce your prejudices the fact is the NHS does a good job in looking after the Nations health at a far cheaper cost than the US version.You of course will not except this as being fact and would rather believe a man who being born to fabulously wealth has never and will never have need of the NHS. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:”
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph.
This absolute nonsense of how the NHS is the envy of the world is quite simply a myth. I hasn't been the envy of the world since maybe the mid 50s. Our medical care is second rate. everyone is levelled downward no matter how much you may have paid in National Insurance contributions.
The NHS was a good idea at the time of its conception but its outcomes are not good compared to our competitors. EG Germany France Sweden etc. Some people just won't accept it. Hannan is right
TheFornik8or 1 year ago
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davijeph 1 year ago
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@TheFornik8or I have never said the NHS is the "envy of the world" and am prepared to except that there are better health system out there.The fact that WHO rate us 18th should be proof of that. Given the choice between the NHS and the American alternative I'll stay with the NHS thanks.What annoys me about Hannan is because of his parents great wealth he has never used the NHS and unless he as a medical emergency accident, heart attack never will but feels he is expert enough to attack it
davijeph 1 year ago
@TheFornik8or Sorry about the late reply. Where do I say "NHS is the envy of the world" I do say along with the bulk of UK citizens that Hannan is not only wrong but by giving out lies and falsehoods as your comment did about our NHS he gives those in the US who profit from there corrupt and evil health system ammunition against the health care reforms that are so obviously needed the US. The fact you support a twat like Hannan indicates your just as fucking twisted as he is.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph
You see, you make Dan Hannan's case for him. He was saying just the other day that we can't actually have any meaningful discussion about the failings of the NHS, because idiots like you simply shout, scream and swear at anyone who is even mildly critical of it.
What you don't seem to understand is that Hannan wants the best and isn't prepared to put up with second rate. If the NHS is so great why has no other country ever copied it?
TheFornik8or 1 year ago
@davijeph
People like you are completely blind to the fact that the NHS lags way behind the systems in other countries...Not just the EU, but places like Singapore have a far better health service. The NHS is about queues and rationing. All the other EU countries get drugs that we can't have but because of the Sacred Cow mentality of socialists we all have to starve.....Some people even die as a result! Whereas if they lived elsewhere. You are not just a fool, but a blind foll which is worse
TheFornik8or 1 year ago
@davijeph
@davijeph
You see, you make Dan Hannan's case for him. He was saying just the other day that we can't actually have any meaningful discussion about the failings of the NHS, because idiots like you simply shout, scream and swear at anyone who is even mildly critical of it.
What you don't seem to understand is that Hannan wants the best and isn't prepared to put up with second rate. If the NHS is so great why has no other country ever copied it?
TheFornik8or 1 year ago
@TheFornik8or I repeat, Where do I say "NHS is the envy of the world" I do say along with the bulk of UK citizens that Hannan is not only wrong but by giving out lies and falsehoods as your comment did about our NHS he gives those in the US who profit from there corrupt and evil health system ammunition against the health care reforms that are so obviously needed the US. The fact you support a twat like Hannan indicates your just as fucking twisted as he is.
davijeph 1 year ago
@TheFornik8or - So why is that the US has higher "illness" rates than the UK?
Why is that there are so many US citizens who simply cannot afford to be treated?
In the future people will look back at how wrong and backward people like you are.
What gives you the right to decide who gets healthcare and who deos not? - EVERY SINGLE human being on the plannet has a right to healthcare, not just the ones with deep wallets.
TomHartill 1 year ago
@TalkerOne
But how many of those papers were owned by Rupert Murdoch?
One other paper that will also tend to speak negatively of the N.H.S. that isn't a branch of News Corp is the Daily Mail, but you can't really take anything they say seriously as they supported the Nazis rise to power: ' Hurray for the black shirts' was their front page in 1933 when Hitler became chancellor of German. And also provided funding to The British Union of Fascists lead by Oswald Mosley.
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90
This man is a loon and far off the 'main stream' of British politics. Currently in Britain the governing Conservative Party is pushing through legislation to privatise university education; Prince Charles' car windows were even smashed during a protest in London 2 days ago. Yet even the leader of the Conservative Party David Cameron has called this Hannan fellow 'foolish' and ' out of touch'. If they tried to get rid of the NHS there'd be a revolution and the P.M. put in jail
mgore90 1 year ago
The Commonwealth Fund, a US based organisation, has come out and said that the NHS is the most efficient system out of those in the survey, and that the US was bottom. Yes, the NHS has its problems but nothing like the big hole that is the US one.
PS Anyone in the US, could please start a petition so that Fox makes Dan Hannan an offer he cannot refuse!
mlukhman 1 year ago
@mlukhman I just read the study from the group you mentioned. It was done by sending doctors an email questionaire. If you are a doctor working for the NHS are you going to in writing critique your boss and the system that is paying you? I could give you a dozen more reasions why the Commonwealth Fund study is a joke that doesnt meet basic peer review standards. Read the study - I did.
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne
The NHS is independent, it's like the police, it's non politicised. Government can make macro decisions like it can with the police i.e. spend more on anti-terror operations: spend more on cancer treatment. But the idea that a doctor would be scared to write negatively about the government for fear of his job is laughable.
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90 Sure its independent, just like the government union that runs it. Gimme a break, you cannot even be so foolish as to believe what you just wrote.
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne
Unison ( the Union with the largest number of NHS staff) was formed in 1933, before the NHS even existed. Don't be so cocky in your reply, because to be honest you even had me thinking,' O wow maybe there is some large government run union that I haven't heard about'. British doctors are well paid (family doctors earn a minimum of $180,000 a year, specialists earn a lot more), more so than countries like France where the government does interfere more, it's a good balance.
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90 So you are saying that the union has no political influence and has no wish to do so. If you read British newspapers you would know how powerful that union is policy wise and how in many ways they preserve the status quo.
TalkerOne 1 year ago
...shares his views about the health system. Improvements and reforms are always topics politically, but no politician in touch with the British public would oppose the NHS as Hannan does. Sadly for Mr Hannity, the chance of Mr Hannan becoming Prime Minister is zero. To hear a more typical opinion of the NHS, perhaps Sean Hannity should ask a doctor who works there every day, or an average British citizen.
reddingpa 1 year ago 13
@reddingpa I agree with you - the sad thing is that the NHS is a sacred cow, which no-one would ever dare privatise (not even Mrs T dared to even think of it).
Maybe one day we'll copy the French or Japanese Health systems, which are far, far better. Here's hoping!
tdp1909 1 year ago
...and the private system still exists as an alternative, which works the same way as the American system. Aside from the £7 prescriptions, every experience I and every family member has had on the NHS has been free, and waiting time has been a matter of a couple of days, a week at most. Emergencies are obviously dealt with right away. Sean Hannity has curiously chosen one of a tiny minority in the UK critical of the NHS as a concept; no major political party, including Mr Hannan's party,...
reddingpa 1 year ago
...the UK's care quality 12 places above that of the US. Canada was 5th, Japan 1st, France 3rd. All of these countries have a publicly funded system, or one in which insurance is mandated and subsidized for the poor. I have an uncommon medical condition for which I'm receiving a portion of my treatment privately, since understandably the NHS is less specialized in the area. However, I still get subsidized NHS prescription drugs (£7 for a month, free if you're elderly or a child)...
reddingpa 1 year ago 12
@reddingpa yeah no bias there.
atrainwillmar 10 months ago
@reddingpa Japan has the largest Public debt, followed by France and Canada. That "publicly funded system" is simply unsustainable because it ignores the cost raising principles of a third party payer system. The only way to address cost is through direct competition, and it looks like the West wants to go through the pain of a Soviet style collapse just to understand that point. Good luck.
Rensune 8 months ago
@Rensune Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”
davijeph 7 months ago
@davijeph I worked for private insurance and Welfare (A form of Statecare, or public insurance). BOTH need to go. Only for ER trips could they even BEGIN to be justified.
Rensune 7 months ago
@Rensune If you get rid of private insurance and welfare how do millions of citizens rich or poor pay for cost effective health care? How does having treatment for anything above a headache become so cheap that every citizen children, pensioners, low, medium paid, pre-conditions etc. would be able to obtain it without going bankrupt? Please explain why overall UHC tax based single payer systems seem to offer the same healthcare (or better) than the US private based system and at less cost?
davijeph 7 months ago
@davijeph By increasing your debt and making your currency weaker. Non emergency services would have their prices lowered by the open market.
Rensune 7 months ago
@Rensune "By increasing your debt and making your currency weaker" that would only be true if your nation spent more than your competitors. It is the US system that takes up around 16% of you GDP compared to around 8% from that of you industrialised competitors. For all that increase in input the US does not achieve overall noticeable improvements in care. I except that at its best the US can be world beaters but you lack the depth and universality of care that other nations have.
davijeph 7 months ago
@davijeph Is not the most excellent care in those state the most expensive? As far as "universality, in the UK alone there are 850,000 who are not getting that "universal" care. Because YOU cannot ignore the laws of economics without it crushing you in the end. Look at Cuba, North Korea, the Soviet Union.
Rensune 7 months ago
@Rensune Who are the 850,000 who are not getting UHC in the UK? to answer your first question "Is not the most excellent care in those state the most expensive" not necessarily if you had looked at "the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context” you would find that even within the US system some States some have better healthcare at lower cost to others. Many what you would call Socialist Nations have far sounder economies than the US Germany, Holland, Denmark Norway, Sweden examples.
davijeph 7 months ago
@davijeph yes, and the states with lower cost have less government intervention. (Though on government intervention I think it truly sad that people that just gained freedoms in the last century are so quick to give them over to the government.)
Rensune 7 months ago
@Rensune Who in the last century gained freedom from who? It would be true too say that the further back in time you go the more authoritarian the Nation State was and that includes even the US. Developing from the control of the few over the many into the imperfect but far more democratic and stable Nations we have today. I've a feeling you do not like the idea of democracy (the control by the many over the few) perhaps but given histories lessons I'll have democracy any day.
davijeph 7 months ago
@Rensune By the way you have not told me who the 85,000 UK citizens are that do not have UHC? It should also be pointed out that Hannan born and raised in Peru by far right multimillionaire parents given the best private education that money can buy. Is a person who has never had any practical experience of the NHS owning too the fact he lives in Spain.
davijeph 7 months ago
What Daniel Hannan is saying is an insidious misrepresentation of the reality of the NHS. The UK's health system is one of the greatest in the world. No one is denied treatment based on their financial position, as in America, or their age, as some opponents claim. The stress of illness is not compounded by unaffordable medical bills. The UK spends about 8% of its GDP on health care, versus 16% in the US. The per capita tax funding of health care is lower than that of the US. The WHO ranked...
reddingpa 1 year ago 3
@reddingpa You do realise that the socialised medicine countries free load off the innovations (cancer treatment, artificial hearts etc...) created by the american system right? There is no question that American healthcare is the best in the world however the American healthcare SYSTEM is one of the worst. There is a reason rich kings all over the world choose American hospitals.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi Wow buddy, you need to come back to reality. If your going to make wild accusations you should back it up with facts, cause just as many medical innovations are created by other countries, there is no "freeloading", in fact many innovations are jointly funded and founded with other countries. The American healthcare is by far the worst of all industrialized countries, but I will agree with you, Americans have some of the top specialized treatment facilities...that only the rich get
devrobbiz 1 year ago
Perhaps Bill Gates can find a better place to donate all that drug money after all!
personalysistheories 1 year ago
NHS and the N.I.C.E is a disaster, I've lived in the UK for 3 years, one 2 occasions I was refered to the U.S. for treatment. By a % of a country's population more people die in the UK's system than in the U.S.. It's a very inefficient system run by government beurocrats instead of professionals and let's be honest, this is all about "cost" and people rather be cheap with their medical care.
dolphinsattack 1 year ago
You've lost the plot Dan at least People in Britain are not dying on the streets just because they are poor.
Americas unreported Genocide just like abortion.
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
Rationed care = sucks.
Usa health care = no competition thanks to DUMMYCRATS. (and repubs who kiss medical establishment).
There is no free market. Make it free. Get rid of medicare and medicaid.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
no one takes Hannan seriously, everyone knows that the problem with British healthcare is that many of their hospitals are under financed
lickthoseboobs 1 year ago
Sounds like he doesn't like living in the UK.
mchap38834 1 year ago
who is this prick? Dan Hannan is a case for Labour to be re-elected
scottishlowoflow 1 year ago
@scottishlowoflow Britain is about to lose its AAA credit rating, when that happens the last 2 years will look like the economic good old days.
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne Britain had a AAA credit rating? i know perfectly well that PFI schemes will drain this country for longer than the NHS considering that people who HAVE to pay for medical treatment are often driven to crime. i know and ignore the "gordon brown eats babies for breakfast" campaign going on and after watching this upper-middle class prick beating off to margaret thatcher's policies spouting unbased, daily mail crap. huge numbers of people didn't have ANY treatment before the NHS
scottishlowoflow 1 year ago
noone in th euk even knows who this fuck hannan is i had to look him up on wikipedia. he's not even a real MP he's an MEP and a complete prick to boot. fuck off to america hannan.
johant23 1 year ago
The UK NHS is the most ethical healthcare system in the world.All pay tax, all get healed. Doesnt matter who u r. So whats wrong with the NHS? 1: get rid of all the managers, run it like a business makes it less eficient. 2: wage cap say £100k. 3: we need a nationalised generic drug company, stop the extortion. 4: keep everything: eg cleaning, in house. This would save mns or bns. You americans wouldnt have 2 pay 4 private ins. state ins would do it 4 less. Jesus heart the NHS!
jesusisasocialist 1 year ago
Hitler was a Socialist in the same way Stalin was a far right Republican.
davijeph 1 year ago
If the interviewer spent more time looking to his own countries excuse for a healthcare system he might not spend so much time trying to find flaws in foreign more cost effective systems.Americans reading this look up "Kayleen Flanery surviving cystic fibrosis"and "my struggle with the american health care system"If you cannot see your system is sick, shame on you.Why is it when FOX talks about Brit healthcare they wheel out Daniel Hannan not well known in UK and more right wing than Hitler.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph Hitler was a socialist who favored nationalized schools, nationalized healthcare and gun control. Hannity and Hannan oppose all those things. Read a history book, I dare ya....
TalkerOne 1 year ago
Hitler had a Socialised education system so does the USA and all advanced civilised societies. Or in the "land of the free " would you allow education only to those families that can afford it like your disgusting insurance based healthcare. If ever a country needed to protect its self by having gun control it's the USA.The fact I and almost all people in Europe support these things does not make us NAZI.Try to be more civilised I dare ya....
davijeph 1 year ago
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davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph
Hitler was a Left Winger Bro! Nazi Party = Socialist party = Left winged....
MrJoeyZaZa 1 year ago
@MrJoeyZaZa My statement about Hannan by your own admission is correct Hitler was a socialist (in the ultra Nationalist hated Communists and everybody else come to think of it sense)Hannan being far to the right in his views therefore is more rightwing than Hitler.
davijeph 1 year ago
davijeph - And Hannan has executed how many people?
Hannan is a RIGHT winger....Hitler was a LEFT winger.....so of course he would be more right winged.
There are a lot more left wingers that do more harm that right wingers....
MrJoeyZaZa 1 year ago
@MrJoeyZaZaTry and understand Hitler hated socialist as much as communists.Hannnan has not been given the chance to execute anybody.Your statement about harm done by left/right is open to debate,but let that go.Hannan is giving an extremely bias view of the NHS which you would expect from someone of his background .The NHS on the whole works very well and certainly superior overall to your insurance based system.Just for the record I do not class my self as much of a socialist but the NHS yes.
davijeph 1 year ago
@MrJoeyZaZa Hitler was a Fascist. That's far right wing. Look it up.
swordhunter12 1 year ago
I'm sorry but America and it's people are backward! Why would you vote against a healthcare system that would benefit millions? You parade yourself as the land of the free when in reality you're a country built on innequality and opression!
d0m93 2 years ago
@d0m93 Straw Person Fallacy argument.
We want healthcare reform But we want HEALTHCARE, not to be forced to buy something we can't afford just to funnel money to wallstreet. Revamping the system to pay healthcare system instead of 3rd party would reduce the overall costs. Having non-profit options would bring more competition. Medicare expends more than it has in intake and States are going broke to govt option has been incompetent and many docs don't accept HMO, and govt options anyways.
NotaBeetleFan 1 year ago
Is this the most odious man in politics? if you can,t pay for it you don,t get it.
He makes Thatcher look like a charity worker.
intheblood1 2 years ago
so how do you feel about paying the 15% VAT tax on every thing you buy to support NHS? How do you feel when you are refused care because it is not cost effective?, The fact is someone must pay for it and it a simple economics since there is not an umlimited amount of funds or medical care someone gets turned away. Not to mention the fact that all the working citizens and paying for the slugs who wont go out and get a job, prefering to live off the working people.
tanglewooddrive 2 years ago 2
@tanglewooddrive What you don't realise is there is still the option to use Private healthcare in the UK. Just cos you imagine you can't does not mean it's true.
bleepmaster23 2 years ago
No, the reason we 'can't' get rid of the NHS is because NO-ONE WANTS TO!!! WE LIKE IT!!!!
graciclerocks 2 years ago
This Bloke was voted one of the most annoying people of 2009 xD
JoshRatts 2 years ago 3
Daniel Hannan is a profile hungry traitor! It may not be a perfect system, but its our system! Hand in you passport if you're allowed to return!
niveksivad 2 years ago 3
@niveksivad Typical statist response - why not bring back the sedition acts ....
TalkerOne 2 years ago
You have an environment of sedition, when you get this unbalanced rubbish. The NHS, is something many of us Brits are thankful for, something the US is now going to implement a pale shadow of
niveksivad 2 years ago
u know in the uk u can get private healthcare if u dont want nhs so i dont get why he is complaining
lillyduh4u 2 years ago 3
@lillyduh4u So in order to get decent care that has YOU asa priority and not the system you have to pay twice. Try thinking next time.
TalkerOne 2 years ago
The Midnight Ride Of Paul Revere
maximus2437 2 years ago
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maximus2437 2 years ago
I have BUPA insurance but it's good to know that if they try to fuck me about then I always have the NHS to fall back on.
The NHS is pretty wasteful though with all the pen pushers and jobsworths.
staponsa1 2 years ago
America's healthcare, like most of its' other public services is just one big business that aims to make money off its' citizens
the Board of Education is cutting breaks and increasing a workload so schools look better and are paid more
doctors in America have every chance and reason to put their patients (children included) through painful procedures so they can charge more
Emrald70 2 years ago
i live in Britain
out system of healthcare isn't perfect but then i dare you to find one that is perfect
wen u get down to the basics, if i suddenly became ill i could walk into a hospital or surgery, get diagnosed and be treated whether i had the money or not
i know we sometimes have to deal with long waiting, but if ur condition was life-threatening or you were doubled over in pain the staff would make an effort to treat you faster
Emrald70 2 years ago
@Emrald70 Don't let the political hype or inexperienced people fool you. It's the same here. If there is an EMERGENCY you cannot by law be turned away.
Call out pain, scream, act like you can' t breathe, you will be in STAT.
The problem is the bill you obtain afterwards and many people don't understand the system so they don' t apply for emergencey Medicaid or request to make payments.
Hospital staff try to usurp cash down, but they can't deny you if you can't STAT care, and could be sued.
NotaBeetleFan 1 year ago
Wow, Hannah is nuts. I live in the UK, grew up in Austraia and have lived in the US. I earn around $90000 a year. I pay the highest rate for NHS that applies. I am fit so don' t need much medical care. I would benefit from private insurance and have had it in the past. Even so, I support the NHS. None of this is true lol. My doctor perfers the NHS, and so does everyone I know. I am not a Labour voter but they have done vey well with the NHS. I have always found it excellent and caring in care.
ozziearmy 2 years ago 3
I like Daniel Hannan but he shouldn't have said that.
The only people who benefit from private healthcare are the rich.
We have private healthcare in Britain as well but nobody goes for it because it's too expensive.
Catholicism777 2 years ago 4
@Catholicism777 I have private health care and my daughter has had several million dollars worth of medical care. I make less than 10 dollars an hour part time, but I have good insurance.
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne
But the rich are still making a profit out of private health care.
I'm not a socialist or a liberal. But nationalized health care is as essential in a meritocratic society as free education. If a government got rid of the NHS in Britain it would be political suicide. It would be like taking away women's votes.
Catholicism777 1 year ago
@Catholicism777 Good, Without profit there is no incentive to have good care and please the customer. Which is why the NHS neglects so many patients and many die of starvaytion on neglect in NHS facilkities. Don't try to deny it because your own government and press say it is true.
TalkerOne 1 year ago
The NHS has managed fine since the end of WW2! I wonder how? Oh because you still get salary rises as incentives to work hard! Just not extortionate at the cost of the taxpayer. Would a docter really not be a docter if they only got millions of £/$ instead of tens of millions? Surely they do it to help people too?
Catholicism777 1 year ago
If your army is able to get 1st class and nationalized health care, seen as actually better than private, why can't the people? Do you have no sympathy for the millions of people in your country who cannot afford health care? Is it not morally wrong that people are left to die on the streets because they aren't rich enough to afford private insurance in the only reigning super power on the planet?
Catholicism777 1 year ago
The way you say it suggests there are rows of people left to die and starving. No matter what you may hear, such cases are seen as atrocius and EXTREMELY rare which result in enquiries.
Catholicism777 1 year ago
atrocious*
Catholicism777 1 year ago
@TalkerOne Clearly spoken by someone who has never seen the dedication to serve people of people in the NHS. You only have to google "welovethenhs" to get the views of real brits experiences who wish to counter this nonsense.
hauskalainen 1 year ago
@hauskalainen Would you like me to start posting some undeniable facts from your own government and press about NHS "dedication"? UK Daily Mail - "Up to 1,200 needless deaths, patients abused, staff bullied to meet targets... yet a secret inquiry into failing hospital says no one's to blame." Wow, what dedication .... so tell me hauskalainen do you just make it up as you go?
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne Facts??
Here is what the report that the Daily Mail was reporting from actually said.
"Taking account of the range of opinion offered to the Inquiry, including a report from two independent experts, it has been concluded that it would be unsafe to infer from the figures that there was any particular number or range of numbers of avoidable or unnecessary deaths at the Trust." So what did the Daily Mail go an do?
U wanna believe the Daily Mail?
hauskalainen 1 year ago
@TalkerOne
Secret? It is published on the Department of Health web site!
This was one NHS Acute trust. There are 149 acute trusts, 122 foundation trusts, 50 or so mental care trusts, and 152 primary health care trusts and this one stood as being very different from the others.
hauskalainen 1 year ago
@TalkerOne Without profit there is also no incentive to take advantage of the customer, lower standards to make more money or outright drop the customer when they become sick. The people who work for the NHS get paid giving them incentive to try and take care of there customers (yes I know it has it's problems but most of us feel the NHS can improve and doesn't need to be thrown away). One last thing, The Daily Mail is NOT, as you put it "from our own government".
swordhunter12 1 year ago
@swordhunter12 Wrong again - If you do not make customers happy they go somewhere else. The first rule of capitalism is "if you dont take care of the customer someone else will". I never said that "The Daily Mail" was your government - are you capable of reading for comprehension or is your English as bad as your economics?
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne I said that because you said "would you like me to start posting undeniable facts from your own government" and then immediately gave a newspaper as a reference. Also I will admit that you make a good point about profit being a good incentive to care for people as to not lose their service but (speaking hypothetically) that won't stop some particularly greedy people. What if (for the sake of argument) it's more profitable to abuse a customer than to keep their service.
swordhunter12 1 year ago
@swordhunter12 Oh and don't get me wrong I have no problem with private healthcare the problem I have is with it being the only option. Nor do I believe in a solely nationalized health system because, as people have pointed out before, it has problems with standards (although I believe those standards could probably be improved if the health tax was raised but that's probably an idea to think about AFTER the economic crisis has passed). I prefer a system where we can chose between the 2.
swordhunter12 1 year ago
@swordhunter12 One last thought, while it is true that certain hospitals have major problems that isn't necessarily true for the whole system and, even then, one or two stories doesn't necessarily speak for the whole hospital (I know someone who works for the NHS and they once complained about ONE nurse not taking proper care of her patient but that doesn't mean everyone in the hospital is like that). Some stories are based on misunderstandings. Continued in next comment.
swordhunter12 1 year ago
@swordhunter12 Here's an of example:
Story: The pregnant woman who gave birth in the car park because they wouldn't send an ambulance. Reason: Ambulances are for things like heart attacks, bullet wounds and broken bones: things that almost certainly need to be dealt with in the hospital i.e: medical emergencies. Giving birth can be dealt with at home and is rarely terminal therefore it is not considered a medical emergency.
Right that's all I wanted to say. Sorry that was so long.
swordhunter12 1 year ago
@swordhunter12 The government in the UK receives more than enough revenue for the NHS however as usual the bureaucrats squander it. Lets face it, the government monopoly is about as inefficient as you can get.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@TalkerOne That's the first rule of marketing, surely?
R0undAboutMidnight 1 year ago
@Catholicism777
Do you think Mexico has a good healthcare system?
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
I wouldn't know. I don't live in Mexico. But I don't see what Mexican healthcare has to do with British healthcare...
Catholicism777 1 year ago
This guy is a total douche bag. Nobody in England wants to get rid of the NHS. Pay no heed to his bullshit lies America.
REd2492 2 years ago 4
i want to get rid of the nhs actually.
it's shit. the simple fact is we are well behind america in terms of quality care. America, don't let obama alter your mentality to make you in his own image.
you are not socialists. you a shining beacon of moderate conservatism, don't do what Britain did. It's a great idea in principle, sure, but it does not work.
willukus 2 years ago
how come the UK is ranked 18th best for health in the world and the US ranked 37th best in the world then.
The US system is expensive and doesn't provide good overall results.
the top countries for healthcare in the world have socialised government run healthcare systems. Look at the World Health Organisation's results.
ohmyliver01 2 years ago
Let me guess, you've been watching "Michael Moore's mockumentary, huh?
yamagoof 2 years ago
guess again.
P.s. if your next guess is along the lines of studying the evidence, and coming to a conclusion based on reality and evidence then you'd be spot on.
ohmyliver01 2 years ago
NHS sved my life, my BUPA isurance wouldn't pay for my defic even tho i'd payed my premiums for years
AtheismDirect 2 years ago 4
On behalf of all the European viewers who have watched this nonsense and wouldn't swap their own national FREE healthcare systems, this is what we have to say: the American citizens are without a doubt the DUMBEST population on Earth!!! I feel so sorry for Mr Obama. He is trying to sway a herd of sheep away from the edge of the cliff but those stupid creatures are totally unable to reason with their own minds.
ATREUS2000 2 years ago 10
ATREUS2000, are you at all aware that about half of the US population supports nationalizing healthcare? Your bullshit sweeping insults ain't doing nothing but making you look ignorant.
sandro28grizz 2 years ago
That is simply not true. You however don't look ignorant, you look like a liar.
yamagoof 2 years ago
Oooh, liar, huh?
Well genius, about half the nation did support nationalizing healthcare (depending on what polls you looked at - of course if you're a Glenn Beck-ite, you'd think no one supported it). But the current healthcare bill being pushed through Congress diminished most support for it. I was a supporter of semi-nationalizing healthcare up until about a month ago, at which point I realized that Dems are just as scummy as Republicans when it comes to looking out for us.
sandro28grizz 2 years ago
@ATREUS2000 you dont represent European voters. Gimme a break. I have a stack of 100 stories form your own newspapers and your own government of thousdands of cases of the most cruel neglect and abnuse of pateints in your NHS hospitals.
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne If your stories were true, why wouldn't at least ONE political party in the UK have a policy to kill off the NHS? There are any political parties and NOT ONE opposes the NHS.
The answer is that these stories are either untrue or not representative of the system as a whole. The British people are not stupid and neither are their political parties,
hauskalainen 1 year ago
@hauskalainen because the second largest employer in the world is the British NHS. Politicians fear them & reports from your own government and press are reporting what I said so denyiong them just serves to make yourself look a tad silly.
TalkerOne 1 year ago
@TalkerOne Ha Ha Ha. That is the most riduluous riposte that I HAVE EVER HEARD!!! Hannan is ultra right wing and got totally ticked off by his party leader for saying these things. He doesn't care because he is going to keep his job as a writer for the Daily Telegraph and I suspect he has cleaned up on the slush funds from the US health care industry and the right wing media. Will he get re-elected? WILL HE HELL!!!
hauskalainen 1 year ago
@ATREUS2000 "FREE healthcare systems"
Hahahaha and you call the Americans stupid? There is no such thing as a free lunch. America has something even worse than socialized medicine which is government granted monopolies and employer insurance. That is why the prices are so high. If America adopted a free market solution of an individual market than prices would fall dramatically due to competition, much like they did in laser eye surgery market. Btw Obama = Bush 2.0.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
WTH!! NHS gives us good healthcare for a low price and is in our taxes. In america you pay thousands of dollars to restitch a finger. Why is a NHS bad?
logamac 2 years ago 10
Why are Americans so scared of socialism. Oh yeah. We only hear the rich people speak from the US . And this Hannan is a nut. Simply look at the life expectancies. That says it right there.
quedorf 2 years ago 3
FUCKING LOL
borisjohnson420 2 years ago 2
Dan Hannan is nuts. I am an American living in England. Love the NHS and the care I have received. When I hear the stories from America and how much they pay, it's crazy. America is sick.
pattyxclentcouk 2 years ago
So when your own NHS that give statistics thats how that Hannan has a point, do you call them nuts as well?
TalkerOne 2 years ago
There are 3 reasons for why we pay more/
1. Our system has a primary focus on saving lives and improving their quality, whereas their systems focus is on saving money and preserving the system.
2. Americans are wealthier and we just have more money to spend on it. It is important not to underestimate this reason. As always the more money you have the more you spend.
TalkerOne 2 years ago
3. The United States has an aging baby boom problem that is worse than most other countries, so it is understandable that the expense of end of life care is higher for us.
TalkerOne 2 years ago
The evidence doesn't support your arguement.
It's far more because of two things, firstly free market reigns supreme in the US healthcare market, So doctors and hospitals and big pharma set prices, secondly because doctors and hospitals are private businesses, they need insurance to protect against suing.
Both consequences of the US free market based healthcare system
ohmyliver01 2 years ago
@TalkerOne #3. You just hit the problem on the nose there. We don't even have enough institutions to get enough nurses and doctors to fill the supply for the oncoming demand. HHR reports state we could be having over 70 million aging in the system on Medicare soon and already are in the deficit in spending. FICA is only 2.9% now and will have to raise to fill in the demand. It could go up as much as 19.2% if we had single payer, and that still would not solve the problem with 300 million.
NotaBeetleFan 1 year ago
It never ceases to amaze me how so many refuse to acknowledge the ugly truth behind the "Statistics" that reflect on America. America has a population of African-Americans & Latinos who, for a variety of reasons, experience health problems & higher mortality rates than other parts of the population. If you remove those two groups and compare Apples to Apples (i.e. Europeans to European Descendents) a completely different reality emerges. One that exposes the lies behind the Pro-Socialist Myth.
TheRentschmeister 2 years ago
Hannan doesn't have a point. His own party has been alienating him after he stuck his foot in his mouth like that. Nearly all of the population in the UK supports the NHS.
FrostbittenWolf 2 years ago 7
@FrostbittenWolf
Hannan is awesome. Own party? lol. Sounds like same problem republicans have with tea party and libertarians.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
The yanks have a choice to create a better healtcare system without out socialism. You didn't listen your heard it but you didn't to listen. DMV for flushots....? Fuck You!!!
cogolfer89 2 years ago
Long live the NHS, death to the tory party
sketchydc 2 years ago
Long live the NHS - YES. Death to the tory pary - NO. Used to be a labour voter but that prick Broooon has long lost my vote.
creaton1976 2 years ago 3
NHS is a corrupt pyramid scheme that will fall under the weight of its own EVIL. People will realize they are overtaxed and conservative parties will be overwhelmingly popular.
herbs814 2 years ago
what a dick. the man prob. never even set foot in the NHS. How dare he say it makes people iller and a mistake. what an absolute prick
creaton1976 2 years ago
NHS steals from the people, creates a vote-buying slush fund for corrupt bureaucrats and greedy politicians, restricts freedom to healthcare, and returns a mere fraction of what was stolen from the people. Of course NHS leaves people iller and poorer. It cannot be otherwise.
herbs814 2 years ago
Are you saying that because that is what you have heard over there in your sound proofed country. The place where hardly any one has left the countrfy but will quite happily tell me what is going on in our NHS because Fox news has told you so. Go fuck yourself
creaton1976 2 years ago
I'm saying that because I understand morality and economics. Socialized medicine is always evil and is inevitably a failure. Keep your immoral failure to yourself. Do not infect America with your evil system of theft and corruption and greed.
herbs814 2 years ago
Excuse me, we have got nothing to do with your shit sytem. Your the ones that have dragged us into this. Do what the fuck you like. It is one of those rare cases where what you choose doesn't effect the rest of the world so do what the fuck you like. If you like your country men dying around you then you go ahead. No skin off our nose. Just don't pull us into it or you will get us defending it . GOT IT
creaton1976 2 years ago
The American health system is treating the patients NHS won't.
herbs814 2 years ago
how come the top countries (ranked by the WHO) for healthcare have socialised medicine.
Corruption and greed... don't make me laugh... you really should remove the plank from your eye before criticising the mote in another.... Why does the US have a worse infant mortality rate than Cuba, or does your 'morality' stop when the child is born
do some learnin' and you'll actually see you understand nether morality, nor economics...
ohmyliver01 2 years ago
@ohmyliver01
The WHO is a socialist propaganda mill designed to glorify socialist stealing and slander capitalist superiority. Nothing the WHO claims is trustworthy.
Private healthcare is the ONLY moral choice.
herbs814 2 years ago
@herbs814 I just looked up infant mortality rate. There are differences when you have WHO telling us vs our own CDC and Atlas data.
Cuba per 1000 infant mort.: 7
Us: 7
Cuba/ 1000 mort. under 5: 9
US: 8
Cuba female death/1000: 94, male: 143
US: female: 82, male: 141
Many countries have SOCIALIZED INSURANCE, not socialized medicine like UK. Tell them to get it right!
NotaBeetleFan 1 year ago
How dare anyone say that the NHS is positive. It is THEFT; it is EVIL.
herbs814 2 years ago
@herbs814 Read Communist Manifesto.
Why would the proletariat mind if they are slaves? They would not. They had nothing to begin with and everything to gain. Offer them their neighbors belongings by theft and they will support you 100%. It's and anti-social disorder issue, the ends justifies the means.
They never thought to help develop it with others as a community like co-ops due. They ask for tyranny so they can just legally steal it and control people. They are on SOMA so don't care.
NotaBeetleFan 1 year ago
My father was living in England when the discovered that he had colon cancer. The National Health Service (NHS) denied his treatment on the basis that he was too old. Fortunately he had American Health Insurance and could go to a private clinic. He is sure that if he had to relay on NHS he would be died now.
danielledgar 2 years ago
The NHS is an option of health service. There is nothing in the legislation to stop your father from getting treatment elsewhere i.e. privately.
To suggest anecdotally that the NHS is flawed because it failed to treat your father, but most probably treated others with the same resources to prolong their lives is your use of rhetoric that misinforms and misdirects information for your misguided view on what is being debated about the US health service.
Obama is providing a extra option.
sajeev86 2 years ago