In Defense of WWII: Chapter 1 of 5

[nyomythus]

But the sun comes up after "that day" .. there is still a decision to be made and I don't think it is, was, sit this one out; sit out WW1 yes, Vietnam yes, WW2 no, Iraq no, just my votes.

[aunch3]

Actually, I've read Pat's book and he does make a good point.

In the end 50 million people were killed and Europe was destroyed forever. Eastern Europe, which is what the War was fought over in the first place, ended being controlled by the eqaully evil Soviets. By 1939, it was not worth going war with the Axis powers.The time to do it (and Hitler admitted this) was in 1935 when the Rhineland was occupied, The Germans weren't re-armed yet and would have been destroyed that day, not 6 years.

[TheFlameoftheWest]

It would have been a more fair and engaging discussion if Pat Buchaman were there to defend his point of view.

Don't get me wrong though, this was a fun thing to watch.

[qwertypoiu4321]

Hitler was not going to expand west, nevermind take over the earth. The British should have accepted the four-power pact, but they wanted a war over nothing, and that is what eventually happened.

[cyberdaemon]

WW2 was good war, but not so good for eastern europe :P And for some countries like Ukraine, they also faced a 12 years lasting guerrilla war, Stalinist presecution...

[Bosco239]

I think it's important to understand that Pat Buchanan is fucking mental.

[TheIranianAnarchist]

On the contrary I find that Hitchens Marxism is very relevant. To start he is one of the few intellectuals out there who supports the Marxist parties in the middle east, he wrote a very good article explaining how Das Kapital can explain the economic crisis, he is one of the greatest defenders of Salvador Allande, and most importantly as an Orwelle-ite he supported the Anarchist Communist uprising in Spain

Hanson my friend supports NONE of those things

[Hazardous117]

It seems that at 6:38 the host presents a hypothetical which essentially happened. He says that Britain could have put off the war guarantee to Poland until it was militarily capable of challenging Germany. However, it was my understanding that that is what occured in 1938 with Munich, that Chamberlain's advisors informed him that Britain was incapable of self-defense in 1938 and it was only in 39 that the military was sufficiently capable, hence the Poland guarantee.

[MaximusProteus]

@Hazardous117 You`re forgetting the main reason for the time and very fact of British propsal of alliance.... Ribbentrop-molotov pact. Actually the same day Britain proposed it, on 25 august, Germany planned invasion already and some forces couldn`t be stopped.... so called Jabłonków incident.

[MitchofSmeg]

lol at the wait a while get better, the british military was only strong after learning the problems they met fighting the germans early on, without that the germans would have gotten massive tanks while we went about with our little 2 pounder guns.

[Andybaby]

The absence of an opposing view makes this discussion extremely biased.

[burnhippiesforfuel]

the opposing views are laid out in the book they're disscussing.

[DimitrisKs]

acctually they gave their lives for the re opening of the world trade among other reasons, not freedom, john mosier and david irving are just 2 name of good historians on the subject.

this war is so complex someone needs to read a LOT to figure out what happened in reality, not the stupid romantic notions, no "good" or "bad" guys here

nice vid cheers

[nyomythus]

Trade with other nations is a keystone part of freedom; freedom from provincialism, isolationism, anti-diversity, and regression in general.

[UserUK201]

Thank god someone has addressed these revisionist morons, who are preying on the ignorance of young pacifist fools. It sickens me when these ignorant pricks basically defend Nazi germany and Imperial Japan, while insulting the men and women who gave their lives to defend freedom.

[kurthanson2005]

Just read Mein Kampf. Hitler clearly spells out his plan of conquest. He was a megalomaniac bent on world domination.

[USA04July1776]

Excellent upload.

[BigV329]

"Robinson and Hanson are appeasers to Groupthink. They can't hold a candle to Buchanan's intellect."

This is the second time you have said this...we dont need to see it everytime u get online...we get the point...you dont like Groupthink.

[BigV329]

First, I never said Germany was a legitimate target for war because they had the worlds strongest military...I said that Germany was going to invade Poland and the rest of eastern Europe, no matter what. Second, bringing up bin Laden is retarted...you probably think George Bush has been a terrific president

Hitchens used to be a Trotskyist...not anymore. He has talked about his change in perspective more than once. Also, he is not anti-Catholic...he is anti-Religion...nothing to do with Hitler.

[RMMHS4RP]

So Hitchens' main argument against Buchanan is that he's a closet fascist?

Way to stick to the issue at hand, Sir Christopher.

[eirefrance]

Its the first half of part one of five. Give him chance. Hes making the point that Buchanan's defense is not objective.

[UserUK201]

Maybe you should watch the entire video in which they debunk that moron Buchanan's idiotic argument before commenting.

[thoughtsoncommontoad]

Thanks for putting this up

[shorndjakdaa]

normally, hanson and hitchens would be on the other side of most anything, but buchanan's wacky book unites them

no wonder william f, buckley always viewed buchanan with suspicion

intelligent man, but......

[BigV329]

I suppose revisionists feel Pearl Harbor was America's fault because we stopped selling Japan scrap metal??

[BigV329]

War with Germany was inevitable. Also, the sooner it started, the better. If the war had started five years later, Germany would have been the only nation with rockets, jet planes, and nuclear weapons. The Soviet Union was starving and Stalin killed off all the military leaders. If it wasnt for Pearl Harbor, the U.S. would have stayed disarmed and would not have helped Europe much since everyone had the feeling of "isolationism".

[BigV329]

Round one to the revisionists? So Hitler invaded Poland because he was provoked my GB...and if GB never declared war on Germany, Poland would have just given up Danzig and everything would be fine? That is freaking stupid. Germany had built up its military to be the strongest in the world. Hitler had plans of invading the East for "Lebensraum". If he was going to invade the East then he needed to go through Poland and take out his enemy on his flank...France.

[GOPsithlord]

Very impressive panel with some of my favorite pundits. It's a shame we have to deal with revisionists when it comes to WWII, but I feel if you were going to have defense of our beliefs it was a just war, it'd be these guys!

[dadabuk123]

Hanson and Hitch! Wonderful. Thanks.

[templarart]

I love this - thanks for posting!

[hamboy500]

Great. Thanks for posting.