wow what a way to stop a christian from showing how sami is full of it!! i think if you let me hold this debate so it far and each can say what they want and we'll see how much weight sami can hold with his bull...... islam is phony these debate officers are just trying to stop the word from being heard..... and we dont kill all we will only kill all when the world rises against our lord in the final battle.... believe what you will sami is full of it and needs to learn how to read in context
the muslim guys are irritating...even though they get the truth quite clear yet they invent some stupid things. i don't think every muslims are like those one....hope i am right...
LOL, wow Zaatari's rant from 4:39-6:35 just show's how juvenile and restarted his thinking is. "no where does it say in luke 19 his enemies come in a battle" LMAO
All scripture (especially prophetic parables) MUST BE READ IN CONTEXT! You have to read that passage in the context of all the other end time prophecies to know the full picture Sami Zaatarted!
Has he not even read the old testament he babbles on about? The Jews allegedly came out of captivity, when they invaded the promised land they were outnumbered by well armed civilizations and delivered victory though miracles.
Even so how can he make a claim about what a group of people 2000 years ago might have done if their circumstances were different?
Add why please, being an atheist myself and hearing this objectively, In my opinion Sami is being a better debater and making strong points, while keith is talking about "smoking losers" and being all butt hurt about the rules clearly set before the debate.
@Decenium hi,i ve listened to the sami dude at different times and i find him "thick"and impervious to reason or logic,i once watched a video in which he tried to defend mohammed's genocidal and barbaric acts by comparing it to activities of the united state government,forgetting that mohammedand muslims claim he was the best example to mankind
Well just a tip, do tell people you are talking about events OUTSIDE of this video (and the other parts of it) when making such a statement.
Also, why is it such an odd of an comparison, because I see the USA always glorifying their army, hell its one of the few things the USA identifies itself with, their boys, their army etc.
So both Mohammed and the USA have done absolute terrible things, both glorified the one's preforming these acts.
@Decenium i would like to state the following 1.my comment and opinion though had been formed prior to this video,it was further reinforced during and after this video,so my comment is still valid 2.to address the comparison of the USA and mohammed,you seem to forget that mohammed claimed he was a so called prophet,an example to mankind,he even made his allah say he was of high morals,his followers call him the mercy of The creator to mankind,
@Decenium 3.following on from that,if you and sami agree that the USA has done terrible things,why then should any sane person now tell us an individual that acts with such impunity and barbarity is the mercy of God to mankind,perfect example,a holy prophet.or is that meant to be some joke
If you believe Constantine was a Christian you are not very educated. a pagan turns rome into the catholic church to persecute real christians. what is his point there?
When sami himself agrees that there is not violence in New Testament and still gives poor arguments! it clearly shows that he has got no case!!
And again! He gives a poor example, of Jesus and his followers having no numbers to kill others, but wot he ignores is wot Br. Keith said in the start that Jesus said Himself
Mathew 26:53. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
again sami gives a bad analogy, the reason being, even if for the sake of argument we take the explanation put forward by sami, this again show how stpid he is, when he talks of Luke, we can clearly see that it is the FUTURE tense and then he compares it with something in the PRESENT tense!!! again!!!! a poor analogy and stupidity at its best!
note worthy is how sami throws insult at its opponent and is still backed up by the muslim audience!
Keith, Im a fan of your work, and i think your doing a great job especially with exposing the NWO. However, I hope you can see the error in believing we are not to follow the law. We are saved by grace, the blood of the lamb, however we are told to sin no more. What is the biblical defintion of sin? Transgression of the law. The laws were never meant to be a tool for salvation, but a measuring rod for what sin is. That has never changed. Murder, theft, adultery, sabbath breaking is still sin.
Sami's counterargument is proof for anyone who has received the Holy Spirit, if it is indeed how he truly feels, how faith is justified.
For instance, he talks about how Keith is an example of an ungentle person, but when he supposes that the ONLY reason Christians are called to be peaceful is because they don't have the power to attack, that shows not only a lack of faith, but a lack of God's grace on the heart. :( But most of the time, I guess this is how debates are!
How can Sami talk about being kind and peaceful when he is being rude, disrespectful, pugnacious, and aggressive. He is supposed to present a formal debate but all he is doing is showing the hostile nature of the majority of Muslims. Keith kept a cool composure and even though the ppl on the panel take Sami's side he remained self- constrained and showed the peace of Christianity!
The christian cross will prevail? That's idol worship and blasphemy in all monotheistic religions, and for that reason, + the paganism of trinity I don't consider christianity monotheistic but pagan and corrupt. Jesus was also not the Messiah's name but it was Eishaa in aramaic & Hebrew or Eisa in arabic which God tells us in the Qur'an al-kareem.
@KeithTruth Where do you get your twisted info from? Probably sam the sham shamoun lol. My friend died by the gun, so I carry a mini gun around my neck to show my respect, just like you did with Jesus (PBUH). Our prophet (PBUH) kissed the stone as a sign of respect to his father and one of the greatest prophets Abraham (PBUH) . We muslims are not forced to kiss the stone, but as it says in a hadeeth, that umar (RA) said the only reason why I kissed the stone is because I saw the prophet do it.
@FULF1Z excuse me! if prophet of islam was SUPPOSED to bring the true religion and abolish all the wrong practices before him, y in the world would anyone accept wot u say???
u mean to say he kissed the black stone to show respect to his father, but where was his respect for his father when he broke all the idols in the kabbah???? dont play double standard here!
as a matter of fact, he did preserve allah, the moon god as a respect to his father whom u worship till this day! stupid argument!
@prince4king7 Oh you stupid person lol. Did the prophet abraham put the idols in the kabbah, or did he worship them? He put the stone there with his own hands, and built the kabbah (which is ALLAHS house). So you are trying to say the prophet (PBUH) broke all idols, yet preserved a moon god lol. Did your master shamoun bark that to you. You put crosses on to show respect to jesus (PBUH), when he died (your opinion) on a cross, and you compare that to kissing a stone which is not compulsory..
@FULF1Z well no one told me this but wot ur telling me is definitely BARKED AROUND by muslims like sami zatri, nadir ahmed etc etc
and again, ur presenting a poor argument!
u know, allah is moon god, with pagan origin, i will prove it by using ur criteria to smoke u filthy stupid fellow!
we find crescent(moon) on each and every of ur mosque, we see poor muslims beginning the month of fasting with the crescent(moon), we see poor muslims all around the world celebrate eid using same standard!!!
@FULF1Z u know wot! u cannot intimidate neone of us here by reading barking muslim apologists who base whole of their case on suppositions, assumptions and assertions! now if ur a man enuf, dont run away from the argument and reply it!
another thing, its the belief of muslims that when hajra-e-aswad(black stone_came down, it wasn't black, it BECAME black after absorbing the sins of human being, now is this called respect????this is idol worship and idol god at its peak my friend!
@prince4king7 "They ask thee Concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs To mark fixed periods of time In (the affairs of) men, And for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter the houses from the back: It is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses Through the proper doors: And fear Allah: That ye may prosper. (The Noble Quran, 2:189)" Does this verse absolutely crush you or what? As we clearly see in the Noble Verse, moon is nothing but a tool used by the Muslims. It is not...
@FULF1Z this verse doesnt crush me, it only shows that moon god is trying to justify its existence by giving lame excuses of involvement of moon in this false religion, if u cant see it, then either ur blind or follow blindly, its ur problem!
@FULF1Z The word “Allah” predates Islam. Each Arab tribe had its own idol gods and goddesses, but a number of tribes also acknowledged the existence of an “unknown god” they called al-ilah, which literally means “the god.” He was considered to be the invisible, supreme deity; however, they did not have a unified concept of who he was. In due time, Allah became “…a universalization of the tribal god who was often referred to as al-ilah (the god).
@FULF1Z When the tribe encountered another tribe who had a god whom they also referred to as al-ilah, they both thought that they were referring to the same being, and so a universal idea of Allah grew among the Arabs.” (Nazir Ali, p. 26)
Allah and a great number of his 99 other names are commonly used in naming male Arabs today. This tradition was practiced in Arabia even before Islam. Muhammad’s own father bore the name Abd-Allah (slave of Allah).
@FULF1Z The fact that these names were commonly used among Arab idol worshipers before Islam attests to the fact that Allah was not the God of the Bible. Rather, he was a pagan deity known only to the Arabs of the Peninsula. Arabic poetry of the Jahilia (ignorance) period before Islam shows this clearly.
The Kaaba was known as beit-Allah or “the house of Allah.” Even though it housed 360 idol gods, the Kaaba was ultimately the house of Allah, the supreme pagan god.
@FULF1Z As lord of the Kaaba, he was not represented by a tangible statue like the 360 idols inside the Kaaba were. Would Jehovah, the God of the Bible, dwell in a house along with 360 idol gods and goddesses?
Muhammad was not the first Arab to try to promote a monotheistic worship of Allah. Before him came other Arab prophets with similar messages. A man named Hud from the tribe of A’d in southern Yemen preached for several years, but had only a small following.
@FULF1Z Salih from the tribe of Thamud, close to the Gulf of Aqaba, preached against polytheism. His own people rejected his message and decided to keep their idols. Shua’yb from the Hijaz tribe was just one of several who tried to call the Arabs to believe in Allah and destroy all their other gods. One particular group called the Hanifs tried to promote the supremacy of Allah over other gods. Arabs rejected the message of such prophets and of the Hanifs, preferring their visible gods.
@prince4king7 The verse does crush your argument. So when ALLAH says that the moon is nothing more than a sign for periods and affairs, then it is a lame excuse hey? You are the one with the lame excuses and no consistency. You are saying that men preached before Muhammad (PBUH), but you admit that they were unsuccessful, so that should prove that our prophet was the true prophet who had god on his side lol, what a lame argument.
@FULF1Z this proves that ur prophet was not even a prophet, he was an arab reformist and i respect him for that, the only reason to show the person before him is that muhammed had fair grounds on the basis of which he was able to to do wot other didn't succedd to do!
@FULF1Z u see my friend, allah is not saying moon is just a sign, it is a way of tryign to hide that allah is a moon god, secondly, even for the sake of argument, lets assume that moon is JUST A SIGN, for periods, nothing else, then still it doesn't explain y u guys have crescent(moon) on top of every minarate and dome of moosque, now do u mean to say mosque is a huge clock or something????its a very weak argument!
@FULF1Z It is vital for the student of Islam to realize that Muhammad continued the legacy of his predecessors who had no awareness of Judaism and Christianity and made no claims to be associated with either. These Arab prophets promoted a strictly Arab cause and an Arab deity.
Muhammad was the last in a succession of prophets who had one common purpose, to unite the Arabs under one supreme deity.
@FULF1Z In fact, a close look at his religious experience, his message and his leadership style places him firmly within Arab tradition. His call to belief in Allah as the only deity is basically the same message that his Arab predecessors had preached.
However, Muhammad had a better chance of succeeding in his mission due to the wealth he had gained by marrying Khadija.
@FULF1Z the prominent position his Quraish tribe held in relationship to other Arab tribes and the influence of the Jews and Christians who contributed to his doctrinal development. Further, Arabs are infatuated with poetry to which they attribute demonic power. Because the Quran’s style of Arabic was poetical and attractive, Arabs thought of Muhammad as sophisticated, articulate and powerful.
@FULF1Z Muslim tradition traces Allah to the monotheistic faith of Abraham. Muslims claim that Ishmael and his ousted mother, Hagar, settled in Mecca where Abraham visited them frequently. Abraham was believed to have introduced the belief in one God to the Arabian tribes.
However, there is absolutely no historical evidence to back up the claim that Abraham ever stepped into Arabia.
@FULF1Z In fact, the Bible dearly states in Genesis 21:8-21 that Hagar and Ishmael wandered in the desert of Beersheba. With little to eat and drink, they could only have traveled a short distance. Hagar and Ishmael settled in the desert of Paran, which is located in the north central region of the Sinai desert, about one thousand miles away from Mecca.
WEALTH ON HIS SIDE!. Did you forget when the makkans banished our prophet to madinah, where was the wealth then? Don't come up with silly theory's and admit that the prophet had GOD on his side. Again another lame argument. Please open your eyes and stop listening to shamoun
@FULF1Z see, if u close ur eyes to the reality that muhammed only married khadija for her wealth, when she was toooo old for him, then i don;t have nething to say
and this is not a theory, this is a hard established fact!
and muhammed never preached God, he preached allah, the moon god to try to unite arabs, red my post completely and see it!
@FULF1Z Ishmael, who married an Egyptian like his mother, remained in the region with his twelve children, all of whom settled in the Sinai near the border of Egypt according to Genesis 25:18. Therefore, the claims that Abraham had built the Kaaba and that the well God provided for Hagar and Ishmael is Zamzam in Mecca are completely unsubstantiated. There is also no evidence that the monotheism of the Arabs had any roots in Abraham.
Are you crazy? Do you know that HUD (PBUH), SALIH (PBUH), and SHUAIB (PBUH) are mentioned in the Quran (like Jesus, Moses, Abraham), and are prophets of ALLAH. So obviously the message of one GOD is going to be the same lol. I forgot, you believe in three GODS not one, so you reject anybody calling to one GOD hey?
@FULF1Z again, this is ur quran which says we beleive in three gods, this again shows quran is not from god, quran itself doesnt even understand the Christian concept of trinity and makes Mary a part of trinity, another proof that quran is a man made book!
My friend, you wanted a source for paran, or Mt Sinai. Well I want you to check out Jim and penny Caldwell, who spent 8 years in Arabia and surrounding areas researching the bibles history. They found many interesting things. One of the most startling discoveries at Jabal al Lawz (Mt Sinai) was a massive, prominent, split rock on the west side of Jabal al Lawz, which showed evidence of gushing water from within - jagged rocks that had been smoothed off by an abundant flow of water....
Exodus 17:6 records God’s instructions to Moses when the Israelites were dying of thirst in the wilderness: “Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink.” Anyway that's one source for you (I'm still waiting for my moon god source). So you see, you have claimed that the Jews or Ishmael or Abraham never touched Arabia, but when Christian explorers went out to search, they found the truth.
Again so much inconsistency. You claim that people came before Muhammad (PBUH), but that is a very weak argument, because people also came before Jesus and moses, so that can be thrown right back at you. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander. I can claim that jesus had power or money, but I am not crazy like that, so please open your eyes.
@FULF1Z my argument goes against me???? plz dont b so desperate! even if we take ur logic, ur argument smoke u my friend! the ppl who came before muhammed were not prophets of God as wasn;t muhammed, but those who came before Jesus were true prophets of God recognized not only by the Bible but also by the quran! so if u want to make such a claim, before that, u need to throw ur quran in trash can!
@FULF1Z u cannot claim Jesus had power or money as u don't have any evidence neither from Christian sources nor from muslim sources, but whe nwe say muhammed had money from khadija, it is confirmed from muslim sources
so u see, dont try to play old tricks with me, not gona work! as u said urself What is good for the goose should be good for the gander! i hope u will not b inconsistent like present day muslim apologists!
..GOD Almighty to us.Jesus peace be upon him preached in Aramaic during his ministry. Gods name in the Aramaic bible is ELOH. I think that sounds pretty similar to ALLAH if you ask me. You need to first throw your corrupt bible out if you think ALLAH is a moon god. You say Abraham never went to makkah,. My friend you should not go against what ISLAM says because it is the truth. Where is this desert of paran Where Abraham sent Hagar that your Bible talks about?..
@FULF1Z Muhammad must have found it intriguing that both Jews and Christians considered Abraham the grandfather of their respective faiths. He saw in this common denominator a factor which could potentially unite all inhabitants of Arabia in spite of their various religious backgrounds. He claimed descent from Abraham through Ishmael.He chose the Arabic name “Allah” after considering other names like “Ar-Rahman” (Surah 2:163) and attributed to him pagan, Jewish and Christian characteristics.
@FULF1Z and this is only a bit of wot i can copy and paste here cuz a whole long article cannot b pasted here, as i said, if u want to discuss this, u will have to choose some other public forum!
..The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)" The Ishmaelites were Arabs and not Egyptians. They came from the Arabian desert; "As they sat down to eat their meal, they looked up and saw a caravan of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead. Their camels were..
@FULF1Z The religious practices of pre-Islamic Arabia were confined to the desert gods who were lifeless and impersonal meteorite stones. They could neither hear nor talk. Though he was recognized as the supreme deity, Allah was some kind of a mysterious god; invisible, aloof and unknowable. Certain tribes in Arabia were aware of his existence, but his attributes were unknown to them.
You accuse me of copying and pasting huh? So you did like me and failed to provide a source. What you fail to realize is that although I said that, I have provided you with several sources, including NASA (what could be a bigger source than this), and I gave you a source of a western Christian couple (because you don't believe Muslims) who have investigated this, yet you haven't given me one source, so don't try to play funny OK. Again, what is this "SMOKE YOU" talk. Have you been burned, or..
@FULF1Z SMOKE U IS USED IN METAPHORICAL SENCE, MEANING UR OWN ARGUMENTS GOES AGAINST U! AND AS PER THE SOURCES, I USE ISLAMIC SOURCES LIKE QURAN, SAHIH SITTA HADITH, AND TAFSEERS OF THE QURAN LIKE IB AL KATHIR, IBN E MAJA, AL TABRI ETC ETC! NOW THESE R NOT CHRISTIAN SOURCES, R THEY????
@FULF1Z SMOKE U IS USED IN METAPHORICAL SENCE, MEANING UR OWN ARGUMENTS GOES AGAINST U! AND AS PER THE SOURCES, I USE ISLAMIC SOURCES LIKE QURAN, SAHIH SITTA HADITH, AND TAFSEERS OF THE QURAN LIKE IB AL KATHIR, IBN E MAJA, AL TABRI ETC ETC! NOW THESE R NOT CHRISTIAN SOURCES, R THEY????
are you burning? Maybe that's why you want to smoke people so bad lol. Be a little mature please. You wrote so much yet you only raised 2 attacks lol. Let me clear the misconceptions, and then I will wait in anticipation for my answers to your pagan religion. This moon god theory has no evidence, and is hilarious. It makes me laugh how missionaries have pages and pages of so called evidence that only they know about lol. You are answering my questions for me, so thank you. You say that certain.
..tribes knew about ALLAH. Well not all the tribes were pagans, and even if they were, they knew the real GOD ALLAH. Like you said, Allah was not an Idol. Allah was mysterious and only certain tribes knew of his existence. Has it ever occurred to you that ALLAH was the same ALLAH we Muslims believe in, and like you say, only a few tribes believed in the true GOD. They were probably the tribes who knew about ALLAH through the prophets. Paganism was rife, so they still probably believed in idols..
@FULF1Z MY FRIEND, PRE-ISLAMIC PAGAN ARABS BELIEVED IN IDOLS THAT WERE PLACED IN KABBAH AND AGAIN! MUHAMMED USED ONE OF THEM TO UNITE THEM TO HAVE A HUGE FOLLOWING, IT MAKES PERFECT SENCE! AND AGAIN, AS U SAID, THERE R PAGES AND PAGES SAYING ALLAH IS MOON GOD, I DON'T NEED TO PASTE THEM HERE, ACTUALLY IT CREATES SOMEHOW EASE FOR ME THAT I DON;T NEED TO PASTE EVERYTHING, PROVIDED U ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THOSE PAGES!
..yet, like you say, they knew that there was a real GOD, who was above their idols. So thank you for answering my questions. By the way, did you know that early Arab Christians( and to this day) called god ALLAH. You said that nobody could talk bad about ALLAH, again this should be further proof that ALLAH was and is the same ALLAH that Muslims worship. Are you trying to say that because Arabia was a pagan country, that nobody could know about the one true GOD? WHAT RUBBISH!..
You say that Muhammad (PBUH) found Abraham as the father of Jews and Christians (who are a sect of Judaism if I'm not mistaken lol) a uniting factor for all the tribes of Arabia. Did you forget to read when the pagan tribes offered the prophet money, women and rulership over all the tribes if he stopped his preaching and followed the pagan GODS. If it was about uniting tribes under his leadership, then surely he would have taken the offer. So please stop with the weak arguments, which you hear.
from shamoun. Do you not know that Ar rahman still is one of ALLAHS beautiful names. The name ALLAH has been chosen by GOD, and like you say, ALLAH has been known to be the most powerful and unique from even pagan times. It is your religion , which is a sect of Judaism and has adopted from them, which has attributed paganism to its teachings, so reply to my arguments. James white can say that about Greek Gods, but what about Egyptian and Babylonian and many others Gods who died for sins..
and rose from the dead. You say that at ISLAM'S core, the religion remained pagan, however you don't really give evidence to back your ridiculous claims (which only corrupt missionaries spread). Tell me, what is this Judeo-Christian God that you say we don't believe in. Is it the trinity, or believing that man is God. Is it believing that 1 is 3 and 3 is 1. I tell you, explaining to fishes in aquariums is what you should do, because humans are not that dumb to believe this nonsense...
@FULF1Z FIRST OF ALL, AS FAR AS UR ARGUMENT ABOUT OTHER GODS DYING FOR THE SINS OF PPL AND THEN SIGING FROM THE DEAD, WATCH THE DEBATE BETWEEN DR. JAMES WHITE AND EHTESHAAM GHULAM AND SEE THIS ARGUMENT DEBUNKED AS GULAM DESPERATELY TRIED AND FAILED! IT WILL B BETTER IF U WATCH THAT DEBATE, IT WILL GIVE ANSWER TO UR THIS SO CALLED ALLEGATION!
@FULF1Z NOW U AGAIN RAISED THE QUESTION THAT HOW IS THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN GOD DIFFERENT FROM THE MUSLIM ALLAH, THIS AGAIN NEEDS ALOT OF POSTS FOR ME TO CLARIFY U! BUT STILL I WILL TRY TO ANSWER IN SOME WORDS ONLY, I HOPE I SUCCEED CUZ OF LIMITED SPACE AVAILABLE ON YOUTUBE!
@FULF1Z LEAVING ASIDE ALL OTHER ASPECTS, JUST FOR NOW, WE WILL ONLY BE FOCUSING ON ONE OR MAYBE TWO ASPECTS OF THE DIFFERENCES OF ALLAH AND THE TRUE GOD!
I WS NOT WANTING TO PASTE A LONG LONG POST ABOTU THE DIFFERENCE OF ALLAH AND TRUE GOD,BUT NOW I HAVE TO AS U HAVE COMPELLED ME TO!
SO BEAR WITH ME TILL MY WHOLE POSTS R FINISH, GO THROUGH IT AND THEN REPLY TO IT!
I HOPE UR MISCONCEPTIONS R CLEARED AFTER THIS AND U WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS UR LORD AND SAVIOUR AND GET EVERLASTING LIFE!
..Tell me who was God when Jesus (your lord) came down to earth? I mean, there must have been someone watching over everything, cause your lord Jesus was a man, and could not have done it on his own. You see, you call me names, and say Muslims are thick, but your trinity is the stupidest concept I know of. You say ALLAH was a God with characteristics similar to the God of the Bible, but that he was really a pagan GOD used as a tool to unite the Arabs lol. How did you miss out when the pagans..
@FULF1Z LEAVING ASIDE ALL OTHER ASPECTS, JUST FOR NOW, WE WILL ONLY BE FOCUSING ON ONE OR MAYBE TWO ASPECTS OF THE DIFFERENCES OF ALLAH AND THE TRUE GOD!
I WS NOT WANTING TO PASTE A LONG LONG POST ABOTU THE DIFFERENCE OF ALLAH AND TRUE GOD,BUT NOW I HAVE TO AS U HAVE COMPELLED ME TO!
SO BEAR WITH ME TILL MY WHOLE POSTS R FINISH, GO THROUGH IT AND THEN REPLY TO IT!
I HOPE UR MISCONCEPTIONS R CLEARED AFTER THIS AND U WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS UR LORD AND SAVIOUR AND GET EVERLASTING LIFE!
@FULF1Z Let us start from Genesis. God of the Bible showed the quality of triune God in the whole Bible. Many think that Trinity came only after 365 A.D. But it is not truth. If we want to see the history of trinity we should turn to the first chapter of the Bible where we read in Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
@FULF1Z Genesis 1:3, "Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light."
In the very first verse we see God of the Bible and in second verse we see the Spirit of God and in the third verse we see that God spoke or Word of God i.e. Jesus. And what is trinity?
God,
Word of God (Jesus)
Spirit of God (Holy Spirit).
But when we read in Quran we see that Allah is not a triune god.
@FULF1Z Again go back to Genesis. God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden of Eden. Everything was nice and beautiful but when we read the 3rd chapter of Genesis we see the fall of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve sinned and lost everything. Their soul died instantaneously, they were separated from God, they were excluded from the garden of Eden. They received the curse of God but does the story end there? No, story goes on and we see that God provided tunics of skin to cover their shame
..were begging the prophet to join them and be their leader, with money and power, so the supposed goal of Muhammad (PBUH) would have been achieved hey? But our prophet refused and he took on years of torture and hardships, because the real GOD had put firm faith in his heart and mad him strong in his mission. You said "Islamic GOD is impersonal", where do you get this garbage from? Our belief is that God is their for everyone, and that he hears and helps if you ask him, and only him for help..
@FULF1Z Again go back to Genesis. God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden of Eden. Everything was nice and beautiful but when we read the 3rd chapter of Genesis we see the fall of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve sinned and lost everything. Their soul died instantaneously, they were separated from God, they were excluded from the garden of Eden. They received the curse of God but does the story end there? No, story goes on and we see that God provided tunics of skin to cover their shame
@FULF1Z This passage does not specifically say that God sacrificed animal for the atonement of their sins and provided skin tunic for them. But later we see in the 4th chapter of Genesis that Cain and Abel brought sacrifice to God. And further we read that God gave Laws to Moses for atonement of our sins. And the Bible says in Hebrew 9:22, "And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission."
@FULF1Z And further we read in New Testament that Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins. He took all our sins on the cross to give us eternal life.
So we read a specific pattern in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation that we humans are sinners and that God wanted us to save us from our sins. When He saw that animal sacrifice was not sufficient or not a permanent solution for our soul, He came down and gave Himself for us.
@FULF1Z He shed His precious blood on the cross taking all our sins on the cross. But He rose from the dead and lives forever. And He wants to give us eternal life.
But when we look in Quran we can see that Quran denies this. Quran abrogated the message of atonement through sacrifice. Quran abrogated the message of Salvation through blood sacrifice.
@FULF1Z Quran abrogated the message of the precious death of Jesus on the cross and replaced it with our own good work while we can not earn our salvation by our good works. If we do good then also what is the remedy for our past sins, which we have already committed?
If Allah and God of the Bible are the same God then how it is possible that we see a total contradiction in the message of the Bible and the message of the Quran?
@FULF1Z More than that, Allah did not promise eternal life, forgiveness of sins or salvation of his followers as we read in
Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)
Sura 3:185, "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense.Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception."
@FULF1Z This Suras from Quran very clearly says that every soul shall have a taste of death, that is, if a person has to pass through hell fire, then how and why is it possible that he/she can come out of hell fire and go to paradise… no way.. this verse does not say anything about etrnal life.This verse very clearly says that every believer in Allah will be tasting death which means that they did not get the life which Jesus promised –
@FULF1Z Jesus promised – that is eternal life and haven as we read in John 10:10 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
According to Quran every soul is going to hell fire till the day of judgment which means that they are not reaching heaven. There is no chance to go to heaven once you go to hell fire.. but yes, Jesus cam save you when you are still in this world as...
@FULF1Z He said in John 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
How a person can save himself/herself from hell fire when he/she is already in hell fire? And this verse says that they will be there till the time of Day of Judgment.
@FULF1Z He said in John 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
How a person can save himself/herself from hell fire when he/she is already in hell fire? And this verse says that they will be there till the time of Day of Judgment.
@FULF1Z Do you think a person who is already in hell fire will get a seat in heaven after judgment? Judgment is a day when people get their final sentence or verdict.
But contrary to it Jesus promised heaven for those who believe on Him as we read in John 5:24, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
Psalms 86:15, "But You, O Lord, are a God full of compassion, and gracious, Longsuffering and abundant in mercy and truth."
James 5:11, "Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord; that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful."
From Genesis to Revelation we see the God of the Bible as a compassionate God. He is full of compassion.
@FULF1Z He is a God who hears our cry and sees our tears and wants to wipe away all our tears. He is a God who has compassion for women and Children. Let us go back to Genesis and see one instance from there.
We read in Genesis Chapter 16 that Abraham’s wife Sarai was a barren woman. Years and years passed by but she had no children. And it really bothered her. Finally she got an idea and told her husband in Genesis16:2-3,
@FULF1Z "See now, the LORD has restrained me from bearing children. Please, go in to my maid; perhaps I shall obtain children by her." And Abram heeded the voice of Sarai. Then Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan."
@FULF1Z Well, Hagar gave birth to Ishmael and all the problems started. Ishmael and Hagar were sent away by Abraham. Genesis 21:14, "So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water; and putting it on her shoulder, he gave it and the boy to Hagar, and sent her away. Then she departed and wandered in the Wilderness of Beersheba."
This is the compassion of a human. Abraham did not even care to provide a shelter for her but just sent her away from her home
@FULF1Z Though Hagar’s husband rejected her God did not reject her. God did not say to her, "I have given authority and permission to man that what he wants he can do, if he threw you out, I can not do anything in between.
When Hagar saw that the water was used up and when she thought that she has reached to the end of her and her son’s life, she lifted her voice and wept as we read in Genesis 21:15-16,....
@FULF1Z "And the water in the skin was used up, and she placed the boy under one of the shrubs. Then she went and sat down across from him at a distance of about a bowshot; for she said to herself, "Let me not see the death of the boy." So she sat opposite him, and lifted her voice and wept."
When Hagar cried out in great pain and in great sorrow God heard her cry from heaven and answered her cry.
@FULF1Z And the Bible tells us in Genesis 21:17-19, "And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, "What ails you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. "Arise, lift up the lad and hold him with your hand, for I will make him a great nation."Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water.And she went and filled the skin with water, and gave the lad a drink."
@FULF1Z But on the other side if we look at the quality of Allah, we can see that Allah is not compassionate. Quran says to a husband that he can beat his wife in Sura 4:34, "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard...
@FULF1Z As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Not only that Quran also says that men may marry up to four women (some texts say nine; other, an unlimited number) and have sex with an unlimited number of slave girls
The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking),......
The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking),......
@FULF1Z ....she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."
A woman whose husband can beat her, give her rights to other women by marring more than one woman is going to hell just because she is ungrateful to her husband. But at the same time a man is going to heaven no matter how many girls and wives he has, no matter how cruel he is towards his wife. Again this proves that Allah is not the God of the Bible and his qualities are not at all matching.....
@FULF1Z .... Again this proves that Allah is not the God of the Bible and his qualities are not at all matching with the God of the Bible who is compassionate and who cares for every human being whether they are women or men. There is no difference in His eyes for anybody.God is impartial as we read in Acts 10:34-35, "Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality
@FULF1Z Again this proves that Allah is not the God of the Bible and his qualities are not at all matching with the God of the Bible who is compassionate and who cares for every human being whether they are women or men. There is no difference in His eyes for anybody.God is impartial as we read in Acts 10:34-35, "Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality
@FULF1Z Let us once again look into the Bible and see whether Allah and Elohim are the same or not.
Let us again go back to Genesis and read few instances. Bible tells us that God spoke to ordinary people those who were not prophets like He spoke to Adam and Eve. When Adam and Eve sinned He came down, walked in the garden and the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?" (Genesis 3:9)
Adam and Eve were not prophets but they were ordinary people
@FULF1Z Again we read in the 4th chapter of Genesis that God spoke to Cain - a murderer of his brother as we read in Genesis 4:9, "Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said, "I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?" Cain was not a prophet but a sinner.
Again we read in the 6th chapter of Genesis that God spoke to Noah directing him to make an ark. And God gave all the specifications as to how to make it, what would be its width, length etc....
@FULF1Z Noah was not a prophet but was a ordinary man.
Now come down to the 12th chapter of Genesis that God spoke to Abraham though the Bible does not consider him as a prophet.
The 16th chapter of Genesis says that God spoke to Hagar and of course Hagar was not a prophetess. And the list goes on. From Genesis to Revelation we see that God wants to talk to us and to have fellowship with us no matter we are prophets or not.He wants to come down and walk with us.
@FULF1Z He wants to live in our homes and guide us and lead us in everything.
But contrary to it Mohammed never heard the voice of God.
A prophet is a mouthpiece of God. A prophet is a man or woman who can touch the heart of God and bring message of God for people, for himself/herself, for his family and friends, for his community, for his nation and for the whole world.
@FULF1Z Take the example of Moses. Whenever people complained to Moses, Moses went to God and asked and brought a message for them from God. This is a prophet who brings a heavenly solution for people. If a person thinks he/she is a prophet and never heard the voice of God then how is it possible that he/she can be a prophet?
Moses and the Israelites were standing at the brink of the Red sea and the Egyptian army was following them.
@FULF1Z Take the example of Moses. Whenever people complained to Moses, Moses went to God and asked and brought a message for them from God. This is a prophet who brings a heavenly solution for people. If a person thinks he/she is a prophet and never heard the voice of God then how is it possible that he/she can be a prophet?
Moses and the Israelites were standing at the brink of the Red sea and the Egyptian army was following them.
@FULF1Z From both sides they saw nothing but death. In that situation they desperately needed a heavenly solution. Moses says to the Israelites in Exodus 14:13-14, "And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. "The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace."
@FULF1Z From both sides they saw nothing but death. In that situation they desperately needed a heavenly solution. Moses says to the Israelites in Exodus 14:13-14, "And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. "The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace."
@FULF1Z And we read in Exodus 14:15-16, "And the LORD said to Moses, "Why do you cry to Me? Tell the children of Israel to go forward. "But lift up your rod, and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it. And the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea."
Yes, a prophet brings heavenly solution and heavenly word from God for people. Again we read in Exo 15:23-25
@FULF1Z And we read in Exodus 14:15-16, "And the LORD said to Moses, "Why do you cry to Me? Tell the children of Israel to go forward. "But lift up your rod, and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it. And the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea."
Yes, a prophet brings heavenly solution and heavenly word from God for people. Again we read in Exo 15:23-25
@FULF1Z "Now when they came to Marah, they could not drink the waters of Marah, for they were bitter. Therefore the name of it was called Marah. And the people complained against Moses, saying, "What shall we drink?" So he cried out to the LORD, and the LORD showed him a tree. When he cast it into the waters, the waters were made sweet. There He made a statute and an ordinance for them
@FULF1Z And there He tested them," When people complained to Moses and said, "we do not have water to drink because it is bitter water," immediately Moses went and asked God what to do now? And the Lord God showed him a tree and when he cast it in to the waters, they could drink that water.Yes, this is a prophet who brings the exact word from God for a particular situation and tells people what to do......
@FULF1Z But contrary to it we do not see any of these qualities in Mohammed. God never spoke to Mohammed and also he never brought any heavenly solution for anybody. Again this proves that God of the Bible and Allah are different and their qualities are totally different and their messages are totally contradictory to each other. If they are the same God then they should agree with each other and show the same qualities and give the same message.
@FULF1Z But contrary to it we do not see any of these qualities in Mohammed. God never spoke to Mohammed and also he never brought any heavenly solution for anybody. Again this proves that God of the Bible and Allah are different and their qualities are totally different and their messages are totally contradictory to each other. If they are the same God then they should agree with each other and show the same qualities and give the same message.
..You say the prophet was not a prophet,but an Arab reformist,and that you respect him for that lol. Please keep your respect to yourself, as the prophet doesn't need respect from people like you. I completely disagree with the first part, but agree that the prophet was a reformist. He corrected the misguided and corrupt teachings of Judeo-Christianity. You say ALLAH is trying to hide the fact that he is a moon GOD lol. So in the Quran is GOD saying that he is nothing more than a sign..
@FULF1Z personally speaking, i am to respect all the other religions and not to hurt the feelings of anyone, and as u said, keep the respect to myself, well thanks for that, the reason,there r three faces of muhammed, good, bad and ugly, i only like and respect the good one, not to mention the other three, now these three r not at al based upon his appearance, its based upon his actions and teachings!
@FULF1Z my answer will be YES! allah is trying desperately to hide in the quran that he is nothing but a moon god, actually, not allah, but the human author of this book is trying to do so, thats y again and again we see in the quran allah swearing by the name of his creation,trying desparatly to prove that he is the creator, in this way,allah has made himself dependent on his creation!whereas a true God doesn't need his creation for this purpose, he is not dependent on anyone!
..of periods. Now that is really pushing the stupidity to another level. ALLAH is making it clear to mankind, that the moon is nothing, but a part of the creation. Please don't agree with me for sake of arguments, because I don't need it. So there are crescents on top of some (very few) minarets, so what? It is just a crescent and nothing more. You Christians will go to depths of shame to win an argument. People who live in glass houses, should not be throwing stones. Why i say that is simple..
@FULF1Z u know, u present a bad very bad argument, and i wasn't actually agreeing with ur stupid argument, i was taking ur argument for the same od discussion cuz i have to reply to ur baseless point!
now that u have no answer, u say, SO WOT if they have? this is not going to work my friend! if i say cross is a sign cuz Jesus was crucified, and if u see it in Christianity, so wot???? u will say no no no!!! plz b consistent! inconsistency is a sign of bad argument and a lost one too!
@FULF1Z and just to show u that u have present one of the worst argument saying that So there are crescents on top of some (very few) minarets, so what?
i will not b talking bout some small mosques, lets take the center of the islam, masjid al-haram in makkah! so that has got it too! and this is where muslims from around the world gather for hajj and umrah! dont plz try to deceive the ppl and try to hide ur lies! not going to work here
THE CROSS lol. You accuse me of a very weak argument, which has no basis whatsoever, of worshipping the moon, yet you worship a piece of wood, and you pray with it, and you live your life by it, so why such inconsistency? My eyes are fully opened to Muhammad and khatija (PBUT). Did you not know that it was khatija who proposed to our beloved prophet, after seeing the truthfulness with which he did her trading. Our prophet never in his life cared for money, and lived a poor mans life until..
@FULF1Z AS FAR AS THE ISSUE OF CROSS GOES, ITS JUST A SYMBOL THAT JESUS CHRIST GAVE HIS LIFE ON THE CROSS FOR US! THAT Y WE HAVE A CROSS AS A SYMBOL, WHERE IS IT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE THAT WORSHIP THE CROSS????MY FRIEND, UR ARGUMENT IS NOT ONLY WEAK BUT ALSO STUPID! BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS AND ASSERTIONS!
AND IF I ACCEPT UR ARGUMENT ABOUT KHADIJA PROPOSING TO MUHAMEMD, GIVE ME A SINGLE GOOD REASON Y MUHAMMED ACCEPTED HER PROPOSAL WHEN HE WAS 25 AND SHE WAS 40??? COMMON SCENE SAY MONEY AND WEALTH!
..he passed away. I gave you sources from NASA, and from western Christian explorers, and if I ever give you more, it will most likely be from western or Christian people. There are so many westerners and Christians who have proved the Quran to be true, and I could quote many of them, but you cannot provide a source, because you get your information from Christian missionary sites lol. Please my friend, have the decency to not accuse me of copying and pasting, because 60-70% of the replies..
..are from my own head (like everything I wrote in these last messages). Anyway, lets stop the childish comments, and have a civilised and open discussion. You need to try and see ISLAM from our side sometimes as well.
@FULF1Z MY FRIEND AND BROTHER IN HUMANITY, I HAVE SEEN ISLAM FROM UR SIDE MORE THAN U HAVE SEEN IT FROM UR SIDE!!
I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY, I HAVE LIVED THE ISLAMIC WAY OF LIFE, SO PLZ, DN'T ASK ME TO SEE ISLAM FROM UR EYES!
THE REASON I STOPPED REPLYING TO UR POSTS IS THAT U PASTE A LONG POST AND ITS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO REPLY TO EACH AND EVERY SINGLE THING HERE ON YOUTUBE. BUT STILL I TRY TO REPLY AS MUCH AS I CAN!
@FULF1Z MY FRIEND AND BROTHER IN HUMANITY, I HAVE SEEN ISLAM FROM UR SIDE MORE THAN U HAVE SEEN IT FROM UR SIDE!!
I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY, I HAVE LIVED THE ISLAMIC WAY OF LIFE, SO PLZ, DN'T ASK ME TO SEE ISLAM FROM UR EYES!
THE REASON I STOPPED REPLYING TO UR POSTS IS THAT U PASTE A LONG POST AND ITS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO REPLY TO EACH AND EVERY SINGLE THING HERE ON YOUTUBE. BUT STILL I TRY TO REPLY AS MUCH AS I CAN!
@FULF1Z Arabs knew little about Allah, and the little they attributed to him was derived from their pagan concept of deity. Allah was so vague and impersonal that, as a rule of thumb, anything said about a human being could not be said about him. He was better described by what he was not than by what he was. This made him more frightening and mysterious, and therefore less attractive.
@FULF1Z He hoped that this would be a drawing card in mobilizing support for his newly formulated religion.
However, it is critical to understand that whatever Muhammad imported from Judaism and Christianity into Islam was marginal, and that at its core his concept of God remained pagan. We see little evidence that the Judeo-Christian view of God has had a major impact on the overall worldview of Muhammad and his Muslim followers.
@FULF1Z This is evident in the writings of Muslim theologians throughout the centuries.
With this in mind, we can conclude that the Allah of Islam, though he has characteristics similar to the God of the Bible, was a pagan god used as a political tool to unite the Arabs under the ambitious leadership of Muhammad. A closer look at the Islamic worldview shows us that the pagan characteristics of Allah dominate the Muslim’s mindset
@FULF1Z Any similarities between Allah of Islam and the Judeo-Christian God are marginal. For instance, at the core of Islamic doctrine is the belief that Allah is impersonal. All of his attributes stem from this concept. Antithetically, at the core of the Judeo-Christian faith is the belief that God is personal. All His attributes center around that belief. Here lies the great schism in the worldviews of Muslims and Christians.
..loaded with spices, balm and myrrh, and they were on their way to take them down to Egypt. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 37:25)" "take them down to Egypt" means taking them to the land of Egypt
Recent archeological discoveries along with Paul's own words in Galatians 4:25 clearly suggest that Mount Sinai is located in Saudi Arabia. This means that Paran being south of Mount Sinai clearly means that it is the Holy City of Mecca.ssed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.ssed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also..
filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)""The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures. (The Noble Quran, 3:96-97)" Do you see the similarity's?
I have clearly told you that Muslims do not worship the black stone, but I don't think you got the message, so I will tell you again. Book 007, Number 2914 Abdullah b. Sarjis reported: I saw the bald one, i. e. 'Umar b. Khattib (Allah be pleased with him). kissing the Stone and saying: BY ALLAH. I AM KISSING WITH FULL CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND THAT YOU CAN NEITHER DO ANY HARM NOR GOOD.
The Black Stone has had an interesting history during the Islamic period. In 930 AD a ruler of Bahrain - who belonged to a branch of Ismailism known as the Karmatians - sacked Makkah and carried the Black Stone away for some 70 years until it was ransomed.In the process, the Black Stone was cracked. It is now held together by a silver band. The fact that Islam was able to function without the Black Stone for 70 years is one of the best illustrations that it is not worshipped but only a marker
I have heard the black stone changing colour, but don't know much about it. When I find out more I will deal with it, Regardless, do you not believe that God can change the colour of a stone, or is your GOD not that powerful? The stone has been confirmed by western scientists as coming from outer space. NASA'S CONFIRMATION:""Stars" falling from the skies have been known since ancient times; rarely, stones are found that were tied to these "shooting stars". One such
rock has been venerated by Islam in Mecca for more than 1300 years. You compare the black stone with your worshipping the cross?That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. That is like me carrying and worshipping and uplifting a gun or a knife because someone close to me died from it. You religion has no authority any more. Your churches are empty, and getting converted into other things. Your own scholars say bible is corrupt, so you really don't have a leg to stand on.
@FULF1Z and again, if u try to give a bad analogy between crucifixion of Jesus Christ on the cross and some of ur relatives! then perhaps u need to study the religion from the very start.
if u follow muhammed, and i say, ok one of my relatives married 9 wives at one time, married a 6 year girl and had sex with her at the age of 9, so i will follow him, will it make any sence to u???? again i say, b consistent my friend! don;t act like all other muslims who r at the peak of inconsistency!
@FULF1Z and yes, cross is compulsory in the Christianity as no one can b a Christian unless he/she believes in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, His death on the cross and resurrection from the dead!!!
@prince4king7 Did I ask you for a source when you gave me your ridiculous moon god argument. I will ask now. Please give me the source to the moon god theory. I cannot give you one source for any argument, because I have found my information from different places, and from my own knowledge. You need to do your own investigation and come to a conclusion. Muslims claim the stone is heaven sent, and as far as I can see, no western scientist has disputed this. They claim it is a meteorite or..
@FULF1Z well u want my source, so i will reply u in the way u did! I cannot give you one source for any argument, because I have found my information from different places, and from my own knowledge. You need to do your own investigation and come to a conclusion.
..something which they don't know about. So this only strengthens my argument. As for prophet Abraham going to makkah, well this is known by almost every Muslim, and it is told in our Qur'an, but I can't quote Qur'an to you because you won't/don't believe it. Regardless, I still have not been dis proven by your Christian or western historians and scientists. I have read that paran is arabia, and it has a very strong argument to be arabia. Those who claim it isn't, don't know themselves where...
..this place is. From what I have read, they claim it could be several places close to arabia, but they are nor positive. So again, my (Muslims) argument has not been proven untrue. Like I told you before, don't accuse ISLAM of lies, because it always turns out to be true. Again you are talking about kissing the stone like it is divine, when in reality it is worthless, and the only worth it has is that it has been touched by the prophets of GOD. I did not say ALLAH is same as ELOH, but I said..
@FULF1Z as i said earlier, allah is not the Yahweh of the O.T, there r tonnes of pages tht prove it, lack of space here doesn't allow me to do it, choose another forum for this
lets make it simple to u!
The Islamic concept of Allah dominates the heart and mind of a Muslim, and therefore it is the greatest obstacle to a Muslim’s understanding of the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible.
@FULF1Z Christian God is a personal, loving Father who has entered human history to reveal Himself to us and rescue us from our sinfulness. He has paid the price for our sin in order to free us, restore us to His image and give us assurance of eternal life.
Explaining this to a Muslim is like explaining the life of a bird to a fish confined to an aquarium
this is exactly y muslims cannot get this simple thing through their thick skulls!
One more thing I want to mention is what you said about the Christian God. That along with the trinity is the most pagan, stupid concepts ever. I mean a person dying for my sins, let alone a God. We Muslims believe that you reap what you sow, and that you will pay for the mistakes you made in this life. Obviously, if you ask for forgiveness, God is all merciful. I mean come on, it is illogical to think that regardless of how you live your life, you will be living in eternal bliss, because of..
@FULF1Z if u say no matter how a Christian leads his life, he will get eternal life only cuz Jesus Christ gave His life for us, then this again show ur lack of understanding about Christianity! this again show that ur ignorant and only beleive wot u stupid apologist tell u! i think u haven't even read the N.T, thats y u don;t even know wot Christianity is all about!!!
i really pity u!!!! as u said, im saying to u, try to look at Christianity from our SIDE and u will see the true Christianity!
Jesus (God) coming to earth in human form and dying for the sins, no matter how evil they may be. I mean, how much more pagan can you get than that? Don't take offence please ok. It just sounds absurd. You will hear Christians say that no one else can guarantee your salvation except for Jesus, but my religion tells me that if I commit crimes and people suffer, and I don't change my ways, then I will pay for it, and frankly, I think it makes perfect sense. Imagine how good a person would be if..
he had the fear of God in him, he would always think twice about his actions. We believe God is Al-Ghafur: The One who forgives a lot. We believe God is Ar-Ra'uf: The One with extreme Mercy. We believe God is Al-Wasi: The Knowledgeable. We believe God is Al-Ghaffar: The One who forgives the sins of His slaves time and time again. We also believe God is Al-Ba ith: The One who resurrects His slaves after death for reward and/or punishment and Al-^Aziz: The Defeater who is not defeated.
@FULF1Z u r only giving me some names of allah! but ur own quran says that allah is the greatest deceiver! and this is wot he is doing to u guys!
and the logic u said about good deeds in islam and going to jannah is again wrong, it shows u haven;t even studied ur own islam!
how will u explain that muslims will b all put to heaven and Christians and Jews will b put in hell in their place?????????? how will u explain that a martyr on the day of qayamah will intercede and take some with him!!!
@FULF1Z black stone was not touched by the prophets of God, only a false prophet of moon god allah, muhammed, if u say black stone came at the time of Abraham! then show me from Jew or Christian sources, or, it again shows that this is a pagan practice of arabia which was continued by muhammed!
..that they sound very similar. So since they sound alike, although with slight differences, that they are referring to the same GOD by the same name. By the way, HIM is added after ELOH only for respect, so it is actually ELOH. Let me put it like this to you, your BIBLE claims ABRAHAM (PBUH) sent hagar to the desert of paran, but nobody knows where this is, then the Quran comes, and says where it is, so I think I know which one I will trust. Tell me, does your bible have the A to Z life of..
@FULF1Z u said Bible says that Abraham sent hagar to the desert of paran! again, ur quoting wot the islamic apologists say!
read Genesis 21:14. And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
its the wilderness of Beersheba!!! not paran!!! y r u misquoting the Bible to prove ur point right??? grow up!!!!
wow what a way to stop a christian from showing how sami is full of it!! i think if you let me hold this debate so it far and each can say what they want and we'll see how much weight sami can hold with his bull...... islam is phony these debate officers are just trying to stop the word from being heard..... and we dont kill all we will only kill all when the world rises against our lord in the final battle.... believe what you will sami is full of it and needs to learn how to read in context
MrKillacrash 5 months ago in playlist Sami Zaatari VS Keith Thompson Debate
the muslim guys are irritating...even though they get the truth quite clear yet they invent some stupid things. i don't think every muslims are like those one....hope i am right...
fdcmix1000 9 months ago
LOL, wow Zaatari's rant from 4:39-6:35 just show's how juvenile and restarted his thinking is. "no where does it say in luke 19 his enemies come in a battle" LMAO
All scripture (especially prophetic parables) MUST BE READ IN CONTEXT! You have to read that passage in the context of all the other end time prophecies to know the full picture Sami Zaatarted!
Singlespokensentence 9 months ago
Keith talks about "smoking" someone in a debate about religion....what?
Decenium 10 months ago
THESES MUSLIMS ARE COWARDS!!!!
Dabigg107 10 months ago
Has he not even read the old testament he babbles on about? The Jews allegedly came out of captivity, when they invaded the promised land they were outnumbered by well armed civilizations and delivered victory though miracles.
Even so how can he make a claim about what a group of people 2000 years ago might have done if their circumstances were different?
Chinomareno 1 year ago
this sami dude is seriously intellectually challenged
11tayo 1 year ago
@11tayo
Add why please, being an atheist myself and hearing this objectively, In my opinion Sami is being a better debater and making strong points, while keith is talking about "smoking losers" and being all butt hurt about the rules clearly set before the debate.
Decenium 10 months ago
@Decenium hi,i ve listened to the sami dude at different times and i find him "thick"and impervious to reason or logic,i once watched a video in which he tried to defend mohammed's genocidal and barbaric acts by comparing it to activities of the united state government,forgetting that mohammedand muslims claim he was the best example to mankind
11tayo 10 months ago
@11tayo
Well just a tip, do tell people you are talking about events OUTSIDE of this video (and the other parts of it) when making such a statement.
Also, why is it such an odd of an comparison, because I see the USA always glorifying their army, hell its one of the few things the USA identifies itself with, their boys, their army etc.
So both Mohammed and the USA have done absolute terrible things, both glorified the one's preforming these acts.
Seems like a reasonably fair comparison to me.
Decenium 10 months ago
@Decenium i would like to state the following 1.my comment and opinion though had been formed prior to this video,it was further reinforced during and after this video,so my comment is still valid 2.to address the comparison of the USA and mohammed,you seem to forget that mohammed claimed he was a so called prophet,an example to mankind,he even made his allah say he was of high morals,his followers call him the mercy of The creator to mankind,
11tayo 10 months ago
@Decenium 3.following on from that,if you and sami agree that the USA has done terrible things,why then should any sane person now tell us an individual that acts with such impunity and barbarity is the mercy of God to mankind,perfect example,a holy prophet.or is that meant to be some joke
11tayo 10 months ago
If you believe Constantine was a Christian you are not very educated. a pagan turns rome into the catholic church to persecute real christians. what is his point there?
ADAJ3 1 year ago
When sami himself agrees that there is not violence in New Testament and still gives poor arguments! it clearly shows that he has got no case!!
And again! He gives a poor example, of Jesus and his followers having no numbers to kill others, but wot he ignores is wot Br. Keith said in the start that Jesus said Himself
Mathew 26:53. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
This verse debunks Sami! Don’t cry baby sami!
prince4king7 1 year ago
again sami gives a bad analogy, the reason being, even if for the sake of argument we take the explanation put forward by sami, this again show how stpid he is, when he talks of Luke, we can clearly see that it is the FUTURE tense and then he compares it with something in the PRESENT tense!!! again!!!! a poor analogy and stupidity at its best!
note worthy is how sami throws insult at its opponent and is still backed up by the muslim audience!
prince4king7 1 year ago
Excellent reply Br. Keith! Hats off to u!!!!
prince4king7 1 year ago
This round again goes to u Br. Keith, u literally destroyed sami and set fire to all those muslim who were in the room, thats y they kicked u out!
prince4king7 1 year ago
clearly see the muslims scared of their double standards being exposed! stupidity at its best!!!!
prince4king7 1 year ago
Keith, Im a fan of your work, and i think your doing a great job especially with exposing the NWO. However, I hope you can see the error in believing we are not to follow the law. We are saved by grace, the blood of the lamb, however we are told to sin no more. What is the biblical defintion of sin? Transgression of the law. The laws were never meant to be a tool for salvation, but a measuring rod for what sin is. That has never changed. Murder, theft, adultery, sabbath breaking is still sin.
GSADVANCETV 1 year ago
Sami's counterargument is proof for anyone who has received the Holy Spirit, if it is indeed how he truly feels, how faith is justified.
For instance, he talks about how Keith is an example of an ungentle person, but when he supposes that the ONLY reason Christians are called to be peaceful is because they don't have the power to attack, that shows not only a lack of faith, but a lack of God's grace on the heart. :( But most of the time, I guess this is how debates are!
krononomikon 1 year ago
How can Sami talk about being kind and peaceful when he is being rude, disrespectful, pugnacious, and aggressive. He is supposed to present a formal debate but all he is doing is showing the hostile nature of the majority of Muslims. Keith kept a cool composure and even though the ppl on the panel take Sami's side he remained self- constrained and showed the peace of Christianity!
jaatsf1 1 year ago
The christian cross will prevail? That's idol worship and blasphemy in all monotheistic religions, and for that reason, + the paganism of trinity I don't consider christianity monotheistic but pagan and corrupt. Jesus was also not the Messiah's name but it was Eishaa in aramaic & Hebrew or Eisa in arabic which God tells us in the Qur'an al-kareem.
UsernameIrellevence 1 year ago
@UsernameIrellevence, the cross is idol worship but kissing a black stone is okay right? What nonsense.
KeithTruth 1 year ago
@KeithTruth Where do you get your twisted info from? Probably sam the sham shamoun lol. My friend died by the gun, so I carry a mini gun around my neck to show my respect, just like you did with Jesus (PBUH). Our prophet (PBUH) kissed the stone as a sign of respect to his father and one of the greatest prophets Abraham (PBUH) . We muslims are not forced to kiss the stone, but as it says in a hadeeth, that umar (RA) said the only reason why I kissed the stone is because I saw the prophet do it.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z excuse me! if prophet of islam was SUPPOSED to bring the true religion and abolish all the wrong practices before him, y in the world would anyone accept wot u say???
u mean to say he kissed the black stone to show respect to his father, but where was his respect for his father when he broke all the idols in the kabbah???? dont play double standard here!
as a matter of fact, he did preserve allah, the moon god as a respect to his father whom u worship till this day! stupid argument!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@prince4king7 Oh you stupid person lol. Did the prophet abraham put the idols in the kabbah, or did he worship them? He put the stone there with his own hands, and built the kabbah (which is ALLAHS house). So you are trying to say the prophet (PBUH) broke all idols, yet preserved a moon god lol. Did your master shamoun bark that to you. You put crosses on to show respect to jesus (PBUH), when he died (your opinion) on a cross, and you compare that to kissing a stone which is not compulsory..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z well no one told me this but wot ur telling me is definitely BARKED AROUND by muslims like sami zatri, nadir ahmed etc etc
and again, ur presenting a poor argument!
u know, allah is moon god, with pagan origin, i will prove it by using ur criteria to smoke u filthy stupid fellow!
we find crescent(moon) on each and every of ur mosque, we see poor muslims beginning the month of fasting with the crescent(moon), we see poor muslims all around the world celebrate eid using same standard!!!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z u know wot! u cannot intimidate neone of us here by reading barking muslim apologists who base whole of their case on suppositions, assumptions and assertions! now if ur a man enuf, dont run away from the argument and reply it!
another thing, its the belief of muslims that when hajra-e-aswad(black stone_came down, it wasn't black, it BECAME black after absorbing the sins of human being, now is this called respect????this is idol worship and idol god at its peak my friend!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@prince4king7 "They ask thee Concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs To mark fixed periods of time In (the affairs of) men, And for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter the houses from the back: It is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses Through the proper doors: And fear Allah: That ye may prosper. (The Noble Quran, 2:189)" Does this verse absolutely crush you or what? As we clearly see in the Noble Verse, moon is nothing but a tool used by the Muslims. It is not...
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z this verse doesnt crush me, it only shows that moon god is trying to justify its existence by giving lame excuses of involvement of moon in this false religion, if u cant see it, then either ur blind or follow blindly, its ur problem!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z The word “Allah” predates Islam. Each Arab tribe had its own idol gods and goddesses, but a number of tribes also acknowledged the existence of an “unknown god” they called al-ilah, which literally means “the god.” He was considered to be the invisible, supreme deity; however, they did not have a unified concept of who he was. In due time, Allah became “…a universalization of the tribal god who was often referred to as al-ilah (the god).
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z When the tribe encountered another tribe who had a god whom they also referred to as al-ilah, they both thought that they were referring to the same being, and so a universal idea of Allah grew among the Arabs.” (Nazir Ali, p. 26)
Allah and a great number of his 99 other names are commonly used in naming male Arabs today. This tradition was practiced in Arabia even before Islam. Muhammad’s own father bore the name Abd-Allah (slave of Allah).
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z The fact that these names were commonly used among Arab idol worshipers before Islam attests to the fact that Allah was not the God of the Bible. Rather, he was a pagan deity known only to the Arabs of the Peninsula. Arabic poetry of the Jahilia (ignorance) period before Islam shows this clearly.
The Kaaba was known as beit-Allah or “the house of Allah.” Even though it housed 360 idol gods, the Kaaba was ultimately the house of Allah, the supreme pagan god.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z As lord of the Kaaba, he was not represented by a tangible statue like the 360 idols inside the Kaaba were. Would Jehovah, the God of the Bible, dwell in a house along with 360 idol gods and goddesses?
Muhammad was not the first Arab to try to promote a monotheistic worship of Allah. Before him came other Arab prophets with similar messages. A man named Hud from the tribe of A’d in southern Yemen preached for several years, but had only a small following.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Salih from the tribe of Thamud, close to the Gulf of Aqaba, preached against polytheism. His own people rejected his message and decided to keep their idols. Shua’yb from the Hijaz tribe was just one of several who tried to call the Arabs to believe in Allah and destroy all their other gods. One particular group called the Hanifs tried to promote the supremacy of Allah over other gods. Arabs rejected the message of such prophets and of the Hanifs, preferring their visible gods.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@prince4king7 The verse does crush your argument. So when ALLAH says that the moon is nothing more than a sign for periods and affairs, then it is a lame excuse hey? You are the one with the lame excuses and no consistency. You are saying that men preached before Muhammad (PBUH), but you admit that they were unsuccessful, so that should prove that our prophet was the true prophet who had god on his side lol, what a lame argument.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z this proves that ur prophet was not even a prophet, he was an arab reformist and i respect him for that, the only reason to show the person before him is that muhammed had fair grounds on the basis of which he was able to to do wot other didn't succedd to do!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z u see my friend, allah is not saying moon is just a sign, it is a way of tryign to hide that allah is a moon god, secondly, even for the sake of argument, lets assume that moon is JUST A SIGN, for periods, nothing else, then still it doesn't explain y u guys have crescent(moon) on top of every minarate and dome of moosque, now do u mean to say mosque is a huge clock or something????its a very weak argument!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z It is vital for the student of Islam to realize that Muhammad continued the legacy of his predecessors who had no awareness of Judaism and Christianity and made no claims to be associated with either. These Arab prophets promoted a strictly Arab cause and an Arab deity.
Muhammad was the last in a succession of prophets who had one common purpose, to unite the Arabs under one supreme deity.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z In fact, a close look at his religious experience, his message and his leadership style places him firmly within Arab tradition. His call to belief in Allah as the only deity is basically the same message that his Arab predecessors had preached.
However, Muhammad had a better chance of succeeding in his mission due to the wealth he had gained by marrying Khadija.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z the prominent position his Quraish tribe held in relationship to other Arab tribes and the influence of the Jews and Christians who contributed to his doctrinal development. Further, Arabs are infatuated with poetry to which they attribute demonic power. Because the Quran’s style of Arabic was poetical and attractive, Arabs thought of Muhammad as sophisticated, articulate and powerful.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Muslim tradition traces Allah to the monotheistic faith of Abraham. Muslims claim that Ishmael and his ousted mother, Hagar, settled in Mecca where Abraham visited them frequently. Abraham was believed to have introduced the belief in one God to the Arabian tribes.
However, there is absolutely no historical evidence to back up the claim that Abraham ever stepped into Arabia.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z In fact, the Bible dearly states in Genesis 21:8-21 that Hagar and Ishmael wandered in the desert of Beersheba. With little to eat and drink, they could only have traveled a short distance. Hagar and Ishmael settled in the desert of Paran, which is located in the north central region of the Sinai desert, about one thousand miles away from Mecca.
prince4king7 1 year ago
WEALTH ON HIS SIDE!. Did you forget when the makkans banished our prophet to madinah, where was the wealth then? Don't come up with silly theory's and admit that the prophet had GOD on his side. Again another lame argument. Please open your eyes and stop listening to shamoun
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z let me first reply to ur previous posts, read all the posts and then reply
plz stop ripping things apart and replying
if ur gonna do this, then choose some other forum to discuss as youtube only allows limited number of words per post!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z see, if u close ur eyes to the reality that muhammed only married khadija for her wealth, when she was toooo old for him, then i don;t have nething to say
and this is not a theory, this is a hard established fact!
and muhammed never preached God, he preached allah, the moon god to try to unite arabs, red my post completely and see it!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Ishmael, who married an Egyptian like his mother, remained in the region with his twelve children, all of whom settled in the Sinai near the border of Egypt according to Genesis 25:18. Therefore, the claims that Abraham had built the Kaaba and that the well God provided for Hagar and Ishmael is Zamzam in Mecca are completely unsubstantiated. There is also no evidence that the monotheism of the Arabs had any roots in Abraham.
prince4king7 1 year ago
Are you crazy? Do you know that HUD (PBUH), SALIH (PBUH), and SHUAIB (PBUH) are mentioned in the Quran (like Jesus, Moses, Abraham), and are prophets of ALLAH. So obviously the message of one GOD is going to be the same lol. I forgot, you believe in three GODS not one, so you reject anybody calling to one GOD hey?
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z again, this is ur quran which says we beleive in three gods, this again shows quran is not from god, quran itself doesnt even understand the Christian concept of trinity and makes Mary a part of trinity, another proof that quran is a man made book!
prince4king7 1 year ago
My friend, you wanted a source for paran, or Mt Sinai. Well I want you to check out Jim and penny Caldwell, who spent 8 years in Arabia and surrounding areas researching the bibles history. They found many interesting things. One of the most startling discoveries at Jabal al Lawz (Mt Sinai) was a massive, prominent, split rock on the west side of Jabal al Lawz, which showed evidence of gushing water from within - jagged rocks that had been smoothed off by an abundant flow of water....
FULF1Z 1 year ago
Exodus 17:6 records God’s instructions to Moses when the Israelites were dying of thirst in the wilderness: “Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink.” Anyway that's one source for you (I'm still waiting for my moon god source). So you see, you have claimed that the Jews or Ishmael or Abraham never touched Arabia, but when Christian explorers went out to search, they found the truth.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
Again so much inconsistency. You claim that people came before Muhammad (PBUH), but that is a very weak argument, because people also came before Jesus and moses, so that can be thrown right back at you. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander. I can claim that jesus had power or money, but I am not crazy like that, so please open your eyes.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z my argument goes against me???? plz dont b so desperate! even if we take ur logic, ur argument smoke u my friend! the ppl who came before muhammed were not prophets of God as wasn;t muhammed, but those who came before Jesus were true prophets of God recognized not only by the Bible but also by the quran! so if u want to make such a claim, before that, u need to throw ur quran in trash can!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z u cannot claim Jesus had power or money as u don't have any evidence neither from Christian sources nor from muslim sources, but whe nwe say muhammed had money from khadija, it is confirmed from muslim sources
so u see, dont try to play old tricks with me, not gona work! as u said urself What is good for the goose should be good for the gander! i hope u will not b inconsistent like present day muslim apologists!
prince4king7 1 year ago
..GOD Almighty to us.Jesus peace be upon him preached in Aramaic during his ministry. Gods name in the Aramaic bible is ELOH. I think that sounds pretty similar to ALLAH if you ask me. You need to first throw your corrupt bible out if you think ALLAH is a moon god. You say Abraham never went to makkah,. My friend you should not go against what ISLAM says because it is the truth. Where is this desert of paran Where Abraham sent Hagar that your Bible talks about?..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Muhammad must have found it intriguing that both Jews and Christians considered Abraham the grandfather of their respective faiths. He saw in this common denominator a factor which could potentially unite all inhabitants of Arabia in spite of their various religious backgrounds. He claimed descent from Abraham through Ishmael.He chose the Arabic name “Allah” after considering other names like “Ar-Rahman” (Surah 2:163) and attributed to him pagan, Jewish and Christian characteristics.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z and this is only a bit of wot i can copy and paste here cuz a whole long article cannot b pasted here, as i said, if u want to discuss this, u will have to choose some other public forum!
prince4king7 1 year ago
..The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)" The Ishmaelites were Arabs and not Egyptians. They came from the Arabian desert; "As they sat down to eat their meal, they looked up and saw a caravan of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead. Their camels were..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z The religious practices of pre-Islamic Arabia were confined to the desert gods who were lifeless and impersonal meteorite stones. They could neither hear nor talk. Though he was recognized as the supreme deity, Allah was some kind of a mysterious god; invisible, aloof and unknowable. Certain tribes in Arabia were aware of his existence, but his attributes were unknown to them.
prince4king7 1 year ago
You accuse me of copying and pasting huh? So you did like me and failed to provide a source. What you fail to realize is that although I said that, I have provided you with several sources, including NASA (what could be a bigger source than this), and I gave you a source of a western Christian couple (because you don't believe Muslims) who have investigated this, yet you haven't given me one source, so don't try to play funny OK. Again, what is this "SMOKE YOU" talk. Have you been burned, or..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z SMOKE U IS USED IN METAPHORICAL SENCE, MEANING UR OWN ARGUMENTS GOES AGAINST U! AND AS PER THE SOURCES, I USE ISLAMIC SOURCES LIKE QURAN, SAHIH SITTA HADITH, AND TAFSEERS OF THE QURAN LIKE IB AL KATHIR, IBN E MAJA, AL TABRI ETC ETC! NOW THESE R NOT CHRISTIAN SOURCES, R THEY????
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z SMOKE U IS USED IN METAPHORICAL SENCE, MEANING UR OWN ARGUMENTS GOES AGAINST U! AND AS PER THE SOURCES, I USE ISLAMIC SOURCES LIKE QURAN, SAHIH SITTA HADITH, AND TAFSEERS OF THE QURAN LIKE IB AL KATHIR, IBN E MAJA, AL TABRI ETC ETC! NOW THESE R NOT CHRISTIAN SOURCES, R THEY????
prince4king7 1 year ago
are you burning? Maybe that's why you want to smoke people so bad lol. Be a little mature please. You wrote so much yet you only raised 2 attacks lol. Let me clear the misconceptions, and then I will wait in anticipation for my answers to your pagan religion. This moon god theory has no evidence, and is hilarious. It makes me laugh how missionaries have pages and pages of so called evidence that only they know about lol. You are answering my questions for me, so thank you. You say that certain.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
..tribes knew about ALLAH. Well not all the tribes were pagans, and even if they were, they knew the real GOD ALLAH. Like you said, Allah was not an Idol. Allah was mysterious and only certain tribes knew of his existence. Has it ever occurred to you that ALLAH was the same ALLAH we Muslims believe in, and like you say, only a few tribes believed in the true GOD. They were probably the tribes who knew about ALLAH through the prophets. Paganism was rife, so they still probably believed in idols..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z MY FRIEND, PRE-ISLAMIC PAGAN ARABS BELIEVED IN IDOLS THAT WERE PLACED IN KABBAH AND AGAIN! MUHAMMED USED ONE OF THEM TO UNITE THEM TO HAVE A HUGE FOLLOWING, IT MAKES PERFECT SENCE! AND AGAIN, AS U SAID, THERE R PAGES AND PAGES SAYING ALLAH IS MOON GOD, I DON'T NEED TO PASTE THEM HERE, ACTUALLY IT CREATES SOMEHOW EASE FOR ME THAT I DON;T NEED TO PASTE EVERYTHING, PROVIDED U ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THOSE PAGES!
prince4king7 1 year ago
..yet, like you say, they knew that there was a real GOD, who was above their idols. So thank you for answering my questions. By the way, did you know that early Arab Christians( and to this day) called god ALLAH. You said that nobody could talk bad about ALLAH, again this should be further proof that ALLAH was and is the same ALLAH that Muslims worship. Are you trying to say that because Arabia was a pagan country, that nobody could know about the one true GOD? WHAT RUBBISH!..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
You say that Muhammad (PBUH) found Abraham as the father of Jews and Christians (who are a sect of Judaism if I'm not mistaken lol) a uniting factor for all the tribes of Arabia. Did you forget to read when the pagan tribes offered the prophet money, women and rulership over all the tribes if he stopped his preaching and followed the pagan GODS. If it was about uniting tribes under his leadership, then surely he would have taken the offer. So please stop with the weak arguments, which you hear.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
from shamoun. Do you not know that Ar rahman still is one of ALLAHS beautiful names. The name ALLAH has been chosen by GOD, and like you say, ALLAH has been known to be the most powerful and unique from even pagan times. It is your religion , which is a sect of Judaism and has adopted from them, which has attributed paganism to its teachings, so reply to my arguments. James white can say that about Greek Gods, but what about Egyptian and Babylonian and many others Gods who died for sins..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
and rose from the dead. You say that at ISLAM'S core, the religion remained pagan, however you don't really give evidence to back your ridiculous claims (which only corrupt missionaries spread). Tell me, what is this Judeo-Christian God that you say we don't believe in. Is it the trinity, or believing that man is God. Is it believing that 1 is 3 and 3 is 1. I tell you, explaining to fishes in aquariums is what you should do, because humans are not that dumb to believe this nonsense...
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z FIRST OF ALL, AS FAR AS UR ARGUMENT ABOUT OTHER GODS DYING FOR THE SINS OF PPL AND THEN SIGING FROM THE DEAD, WATCH THE DEBATE BETWEEN DR. JAMES WHITE AND EHTESHAAM GHULAM AND SEE THIS ARGUMENT DEBUNKED AS GULAM DESPERATELY TRIED AND FAILED! IT WILL B BETTER IF U WATCH THAT DEBATE, IT WILL GIVE ANSWER TO UR THIS SO CALLED ALLEGATION!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z NOW U AGAIN RAISED THE QUESTION THAT HOW IS THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN GOD DIFFERENT FROM THE MUSLIM ALLAH, THIS AGAIN NEEDS ALOT OF POSTS FOR ME TO CLARIFY U! BUT STILL I WILL TRY TO ANSWER IN SOME WORDS ONLY, I HOPE I SUCCEED CUZ OF LIMITED SPACE AVAILABLE ON YOUTUBE!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z LEAVING ASIDE ALL OTHER ASPECTS, JUST FOR NOW, WE WILL ONLY BE FOCUSING ON ONE OR MAYBE TWO ASPECTS OF THE DIFFERENCES OF ALLAH AND THE TRUE GOD!
I WS NOT WANTING TO PASTE A LONG LONG POST ABOTU THE DIFFERENCE OF ALLAH AND TRUE GOD,BUT NOW I HAVE TO AS U HAVE COMPELLED ME TO!
SO BEAR WITH ME TILL MY WHOLE POSTS R FINISH, GO THROUGH IT AND THEN REPLY TO IT!
I HOPE UR MISCONCEPTIONS R CLEARED AFTER THIS AND U WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS UR LORD AND SAVIOUR AND GET EVERLASTING LIFE!
prince4king7 1 year ago
..Tell me who was God when Jesus (your lord) came down to earth? I mean, there must have been someone watching over everything, cause your lord Jesus was a man, and could not have done it on his own. You see, you call me names, and say Muslims are thick, but your trinity is the stupidest concept I know of. You say ALLAH was a God with characteristics similar to the God of the Bible, but that he was really a pagan GOD used as a tool to unite the Arabs lol. How did you miss out when the pagans..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z LEAVING ASIDE ALL OTHER ASPECTS, JUST FOR NOW, WE WILL ONLY BE FOCUSING ON ONE OR MAYBE TWO ASPECTS OF THE DIFFERENCES OF ALLAH AND THE TRUE GOD!
I WS NOT WANTING TO PASTE A LONG LONG POST ABOTU THE DIFFERENCE OF ALLAH AND TRUE GOD,BUT NOW I HAVE TO AS U HAVE COMPELLED ME TO!
SO BEAR WITH ME TILL MY WHOLE POSTS R FINISH, GO THROUGH IT AND THEN REPLY TO IT!
I HOPE UR MISCONCEPTIONS R CLEARED AFTER THIS AND U WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS UR LORD AND SAVIOUR AND GET EVERLASTING LIFE!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Let us start from Genesis. God of the Bible showed the quality of triune God in the whole Bible. Many think that Trinity came only after 365 A.D. But it is not truth. If we want to see the history of trinity we should turn to the first chapter of the Bible where we read in Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Genesis 1:3, "Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light."
In the very first verse we see God of the Bible and in second verse we see the Spirit of God and in the third verse we see that God spoke or Word of God i.e. Jesus. And what is trinity?
God,
Word of God (Jesus)
Spirit of God (Holy Spirit).
But when we read in Quran we see that Allah is not a triune god.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Again go back to Genesis. God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden of Eden. Everything was nice and beautiful but when we read the 3rd chapter of Genesis we see the fall of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve sinned and lost everything. Their soul died instantaneously, they were separated from God, they were excluded from the garden of Eden. They received the curse of God but does the story end there? No, story goes on and we see that God provided tunics of skin to cover their shame
prince4king7 1 year ago
..were begging the prophet to join them and be their leader, with money and power, so the supposed goal of Muhammad (PBUH) would have been achieved hey? But our prophet refused and he took on years of torture and hardships, because the real GOD had put firm faith in his heart and mad him strong in his mission. You said "Islamic GOD is impersonal", where do you get this garbage from? Our belief is that God is their for everyone, and that he hears and helps if you ask him, and only him for help..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Again go back to Genesis. God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden of Eden. Everything was nice and beautiful but when we read the 3rd chapter of Genesis we see the fall of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve sinned and lost everything. Their soul died instantaneously, they were separated from God, they were excluded from the garden of Eden. They received the curse of God but does the story end there? No, story goes on and we see that God provided tunics of skin to cover their shame
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z This passage does not specifically say that God sacrificed animal for the atonement of their sins and provided skin tunic for them. But later we see in the 4th chapter of Genesis that Cain and Abel brought sacrifice to God. And further we read that God gave Laws to Moses for atonement of our sins. And the Bible says in Hebrew 9:22, "And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission."
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z And further we read in New Testament that Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins. He took all our sins on the cross to give us eternal life.
So we read a specific pattern in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation that we humans are sinners and that God wanted us to save us from our sins. When He saw that animal sacrifice was not sufficient or not a permanent solution for our soul, He came down and gave Himself for us.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z He shed His precious blood on the cross taking all our sins on the cross. But He rose from the dead and lives forever. And He wants to give us eternal life.
But when we look in Quran we can see that Quran denies this. Quran abrogated the message of atonement through sacrifice. Quran abrogated the message of Salvation through blood sacrifice.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Quran abrogated the message of the precious death of Jesus on the cross and replaced it with our own good work while we can not earn our salvation by our good works. If we do good then also what is the remedy for our past sins, which we have already committed?
If Allah and God of the Bible are the same God then how it is possible that we see a total contradiction in the message of the Bible and the message of the Quran?
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z More than that, Allah did not promise eternal life, forgiveness of sins or salvation of his followers as we read in
Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)
Sura 3:185, "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense.Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception."
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z This Suras from Quran very clearly says that every soul shall have a taste of death, that is, if a person has to pass through hell fire, then how and why is it possible that he/she can come out of hell fire and go to paradise… no way.. this verse does not say anything about etrnal life.This verse very clearly says that every believer in Allah will be tasting death which means that they did not get the life which Jesus promised –
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Jesus promised – that is eternal life and haven as we read in John 10:10 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
According to Quran every soul is going to hell fire till the day of judgment which means that they are not reaching heaven. There is no chance to go to heaven once you go to hell fire.. but yes, Jesus cam save you when you are still in this world as...
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z He said in John 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
How a person can save himself/herself from hell fire when he/she is already in hell fire? And this verse says that they will be there till the time of Day of Judgment.
prince4king7 1 year ago
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@FULF1Z He said in John 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
How a person can save himself/herself from hell fire when he/she is already in hell fire? And this verse says that they will be there till the time of Day of Judgment.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Do you think a person who is already in hell fire will get a seat in heaven after judgment? Judgment is a day when people get their final sentence or verdict.
But contrary to it Jesus promised heaven for those who believe on Him as we read in John 5:24, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z God of the Bible is Compassionate God
Psalms 86:15, "But You, O Lord, are a God full of compassion, and gracious, Longsuffering and abundant in mercy and truth."
James 5:11, "Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord; that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful."
From Genesis to Revelation we see the God of the Bible as a compassionate God. He is full of compassion.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z He is a God who hears our cry and sees our tears and wants to wipe away all our tears. He is a God who has compassion for women and Children. Let us go back to Genesis and see one instance from there.
We read in Genesis Chapter 16 that Abraham’s wife Sarai was a barren woman. Years and years passed by but she had no children. And it really bothered her. Finally she got an idea and told her husband in Genesis16:2-3,
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z "See now, the LORD has restrained me from bearing children. Please, go in to my maid; perhaps I shall obtain children by her." And Abram heeded the voice of Sarai. Then Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan."
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Well, Hagar gave birth to Ishmael and all the problems started. Ishmael and Hagar were sent away by Abraham. Genesis 21:14, "So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water; and putting it on her shoulder, he gave it and the boy to Hagar, and sent her away. Then she departed and wandered in the Wilderness of Beersheba."
This is the compassion of a human. Abraham did not even care to provide a shelter for her but just sent her away from her home
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Though Hagar’s husband rejected her God did not reject her. God did not say to her, "I have given authority and permission to man that what he wants he can do, if he threw you out, I can not do anything in between.
When Hagar saw that the water was used up and when she thought that she has reached to the end of her and her son’s life, she lifted her voice and wept as we read in Genesis 21:15-16,....
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z "And the water in the skin was used up, and she placed the boy under one of the shrubs. Then she went and sat down across from him at a distance of about a bowshot; for she said to herself, "Let me not see the death of the boy." So she sat opposite him, and lifted her voice and wept."
When Hagar cried out in great pain and in great sorrow God heard her cry from heaven and answered her cry.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z And the Bible tells us in Genesis 21:17-19, "And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, "What ails you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. "Arise, lift up the lad and hold him with your hand, for I will make him a great nation."Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water.And she went and filled the skin with water, and gave the lad a drink."
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z But on the other side if we look at the quality of Allah, we can see that Allah is not compassionate. Quran says to a husband that he can beat his wife in Sura 4:34, "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard...
prince4king7 1 year ago
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@FULF1Z As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Not only that Quran also says that men may marry up to four women (some texts say nine; other, an unlimited number) and have sex with an unlimited number of slave girls
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking),......
prince4king7 1 year ago
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@FULF1Z Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking),......
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z ....she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."
A woman whose husband can beat her, give her rights to other women by marring more than one woman is going to hell just because she is ungrateful to her husband. But at the same time a man is going to heaven no matter how many girls and wives he has, no matter how cruel he is towards his wife. Again this proves that Allah is not the God of the Bible and his qualities are not at all matching.....
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z .... Again this proves that Allah is not the God of the Bible and his qualities are not at all matching with the God of the Bible who is compassionate and who cares for every human being whether they are women or men. There is no difference in His eyes for anybody.God is impartial as we read in Acts 10:34-35, "Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Again this proves that Allah is not the God of the Bible and his qualities are not at all matching with the God of the Bible who is compassionate and who cares for every human being whether they are women or men. There is no difference in His eyes for anybody.God is impartial as we read in Acts 10:34-35, "Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."
So obviously Allah and Elohim are different Gods and their messages and qualities are totally different and contrary to each other
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Let us once again look into the Bible and see whether Allah and Elohim are the same or not.
Let us again go back to Genesis and read few instances. Bible tells us that God spoke to ordinary people those who were not prophets like He spoke to Adam and Eve. When Adam and Eve sinned He came down, walked in the garden and the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?" (Genesis 3:9)
Adam and Eve were not prophets but they were ordinary people
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Again we read in the 4th chapter of Genesis that God spoke to Cain - a murderer of his brother as we read in Genesis 4:9, "Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said, "I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?" Cain was not a prophet but a sinner.
Again we read in the 6th chapter of Genesis that God spoke to Noah directing him to make an ark. And God gave all the specifications as to how to make it, what would be its width, length etc....
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Noah was not a prophet but was a ordinary man.
Now come down to the 12th chapter of Genesis that God spoke to Abraham though the Bible does not consider him as a prophet.
The 16th chapter of Genesis says that God spoke to Hagar and of course Hagar was not a prophetess. And the list goes on. From Genesis to Revelation we see that God wants to talk to us and to have fellowship with us no matter we are prophets or not.He wants to come down and walk with us.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z He wants to live in our homes and guide us and lead us in everything.
But contrary to it Mohammed never heard the voice of God.
A prophet is a mouthpiece of God. A prophet is a man or woman who can touch the heart of God and bring message of God for people, for himself/herself, for his family and friends, for his community, for his nation and for the whole world.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Take the example of Moses. Whenever people complained to Moses, Moses went to God and asked and brought a message for them from God. This is a prophet who brings a heavenly solution for people. If a person thinks he/she is a prophet and never heard the voice of God then how is it possible that he/she can be a prophet?
Moses and the Israelites were standing at the brink of the Red sea and the Egyptian army was following them.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Take the example of Moses. Whenever people complained to Moses, Moses went to God and asked and brought a message for them from God. This is a prophet who brings a heavenly solution for people. If a person thinks he/she is a prophet and never heard the voice of God then how is it possible that he/she can be a prophet?
Moses and the Israelites were standing at the brink of the Red sea and the Egyptian army was following them.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z From both sides they saw nothing but death. In that situation they desperately needed a heavenly solution. Moses says to the Israelites in Exodus 14:13-14, "And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. "The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace."
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z From both sides they saw nothing but death. In that situation they desperately needed a heavenly solution. Moses says to the Israelites in Exodus 14:13-14, "And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. "The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace."
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z And we read in Exodus 14:15-16, "And the LORD said to Moses, "Why do you cry to Me? Tell the children of Israel to go forward. "But lift up your rod, and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it. And the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea."
Yes, a prophet brings heavenly solution and heavenly word from God for people. Again we read in Exo 15:23-25
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z And we read in Exodus 14:15-16, "And the LORD said to Moses, "Why do you cry to Me? Tell the children of Israel to go forward. "But lift up your rod, and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it. And the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea."
Yes, a prophet brings heavenly solution and heavenly word from God for people. Again we read in Exo 15:23-25
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z "Now when they came to Marah, they could not drink the waters of Marah, for they were bitter. Therefore the name of it was called Marah. And the people complained against Moses, saying, "What shall we drink?" So he cried out to the LORD, and the LORD showed him a tree. When he cast it into the waters, the waters were made sweet. There He made a statute and an ordinance for them
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z And there He tested them," When people complained to Moses and said, "we do not have water to drink because it is bitter water," immediately Moses went and asked God what to do now? And the Lord God showed him a tree and when he cast it in to the waters, they could drink that water.Yes, this is a prophet who brings the exact word from God for a particular situation and tells people what to do......
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z But contrary to it we do not see any of these qualities in Mohammed. God never spoke to Mohammed and also he never brought any heavenly solution for anybody. Again this proves that God of the Bible and Allah are different and their qualities are totally different and their messages are totally contradictory to each other. If they are the same God then they should agree with each other and show the same qualities and give the same message.
prince4king7 1 year ago
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@FULF1Z But contrary to it we do not see any of these qualities in Mohammed. God never spoke to Mohammed and also he never brought any heavenly solution for anybody. Again this proves that God of the Bible and Allah are different and their qualities are totally different and their messages are totally contradictory to each other. If they are the same God then they should agree with each other and show the same qualities and give the same message.
prince4king7 1 year ago
..You say the prophet was not a prophet,but an Arab reformist,and that you respect him for that lol. Please keep your respect to yourself, as the prophet doesn't need respect from people like you. I completely disagree with the first part, but agree that the prophet was a reformist. He corrected the misguided and corrupt teachings of Judeo-Christianity. You say ALLAH is trying to hide the fact that he is a moon GOD lol. So in the Quran is GOD saying that he is nothing more than a sign..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
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prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z personally speaking, i am to respect all the other religions and not to hurt the feelings of anyone, and as u said, keep the respect to myself, well thanks for that, the reason,there r three faces of muhammed, good, bad and ugly, i only like and respect the good one, not to mention the other three, now these three r not at al based upon his appearance, its based upon his actions and teachings!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z my answer will be YES! allah is trying desperately to hide in the quran that he is nothing but a moon god, actually, not allah, but the human author of this book is trying to do so, thats y again and again we see in the quran allah swearing by the name of his creation,trying desparatly to prove that he is the creator, in this way,allah has made himself dependent on his creation!whereas a true God doesn't need his creation for this purpose, he is not dependent on anyone!
prince4king7 1 year ago
..of periods. Now that is really pushing the stupidity to another level. ALLAH is making it clear to mankind, that the moon is nothing, but a part of the creation. Please don't agree with me for sake of arguments, because I don't need it. So there are crescents on top of some (very few) minarets, so what? It is just a crescent and nothing more. You Christians will go to depths of shame to win an argument. People who live in glass houses, should not be throwing stones. Why i say that is simple..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z u know, u present a bad very bad argument, and i wasn't actually agreeing with ur stupid argument, i was taking ur argument for the same od discussion cuz i have to reply to ur baseless point!
now that u have no answer, u say, SO WOT if they have? this is not going to work my friend! if i say cross is a sign cuz Jesus was crucified, and if u see it in Christianity, so wot???? u will say no no no!!! plz b consistent! inconsistency is a sign of bad argument and a lost one too!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z and just to show u that u have present one of the worst argument saying that So there are crescents on top of some (very few) minarets, so what?
i will not b talking bout some small mosques, lets take the center of the islam, masjid al-haram in makkah! so that has got it too! and this is where muslims from around the world gather for hajj and umrah! dont plz try to deceive the ppl and try to hide ur lies! not going to work here
again, my question still stands!
prince4king7 1 year ago
THE CROSS lol. You accuse me of a very weak argument, which has no basis whatsoever, of worshipping the moon, yet you worship a piece of wood, and you pray with it, and you live your life by it, so why such inconsistency? My eyes are fully opened to Muhammad and khatija (PBUT). Did you not know that it was khatija who proposed to our beloved prophet, after seeing the truthfulness with which he did her trading. Our prophet never in his life cared for money, and lived a poor mans life until..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z AS FAR AS THE ISSUE OF CROSS GOES, ITS JUST A SYMBOL THAT JESUS CHRIST GAVE HIS LIFE ON THE CROSS FOR US! THAT Y WE HAVE A CROSS AS A SYMBOL, WHERE IS IT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE THAT WORSHIP THE CROSS????MY FRIEND, UR ARGUMENT IS NOT ONLY WEAK BUT ALSO STUPID! BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS AND ASSERTIONS!
AND IF I ACCEPT UR ARGUMENT ABOUT KHADIJA PROPOSING TO MUHAMEMD, GIVE ME A SINGLE GOOD REASON Y MUHAMMED ACCEPTED HER PROPOSAL WHEN HE WAS 25 AND SHE WAS 40??? COMMON SCENE SAY MONEY AND WEALTH!
prince4king7 1 year ago
..he passed away. I gave you sources from NASA, and from western Christian explorers, and if I ever give you more, it will most likely be from western or Christian people. There are so many westerners and Christians who have proved the Quran to be true, and I could quote many of them, but you cannot provide a source, because you get your information from Christian missionary sites lol. Please my friend, have the decency to not accuse me of copying and pasting, because 60-70% of the replies..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
..are from my own head (like everything I wrote in these last messages). Anyway, lets stop the childish comments, and have a civilised and open discussion. You need to try and see ISLAM from our side sometimes as well.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z MY FRIEND AND BROTHER IN HUMANITY, I HAVE SEEN ISLAM FROM UR SIDE MORE THAN U HAVE SEEN IT FROM UR SIDE!!
I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY, I HAVE LIVED THE ISLAMIC WAY OF LIFE, SO PLZ, DN'T ASK ME TO SEE ISLAM FROM UR EYES!
THE REASON I STOPPED REPLYING TO UR POSTS IS THAT U PASTE A LONG POST AND ITS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO REPLY TO EACH AND EVERY SINGLE THING HERE ON YOUTUBE. BUT STILL I TRY TO REPLY AS MUCH AS I CAN!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z MY FRIEND AND BROTHER IN HUMANITY, I HAVE SEEN ISLAM FROM UR SIDE MORE THAN U HAVE SEEN IT FROM UR SIDE!!
I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY, I HAVE LIVED THE ISLAMIC WAY OF LIFE, SO PLZ, DN'T ASK ME TO SEE ISLAM FROM UR EYES!
THE REASON I STOPPED REPLYING TO UR POSTS IS THAT U PASTE A LONG POST AND ITS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO REPLY TO EACH AND EVERY SINGLE THING HERE ON YOUTUBE. BUT STILL I TRY TO REPLY AS MUCH AS I CAN!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z the only reason i asked for the source or posts was to go through them myself and read them and see myself wot u r talking bout!
other than that, there is no other reason,
but as u say, its from ur own head, then its ur own work and i cannot enter into ur head :)
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Arabs knew little about Allah, and the little they attributed to him was derived from their pagan concept of deity. Allah was so vague and impersonal that, as a rule of thumb, anything said about a human being could not be said about him. He was better described by what he was not than by what he was. This made him more frightening and mysterious, and therefore less attractive.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z He hoped that this would be a drawing card in mobilizing support for his newly formulated religion.
However, it is critical to understand that whatever Muhammad imported from Judaism and Christianity into Islam was marginal, and that at its core his concept of God remained pagan. We see little evidence that the Judeo-Christian view of God has had a major impact on the overall worldview of Muhammad and his Muslim followers.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z This is evident in the writings of Muslim theologians throughout the centuries.
With this in mind, we can conclude that the Allah of Islam, though he has characteristics similar to the God of the Bible, was a pagan god used as a political tool to unite the Arabs under the ambitious leadership of Muhammad. A closer look at the Islamic worldview shows us that the pagan characteristics of Allah dominate the Muslim’s mindset
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Any similarities between Allah of Islam and the Judeo-Christian God are marginal. For instance, at the core of Islamic doctrine is the belief that Allah is impersonal. All of his attributes stem from this concept. Antithetically, at the core of the Judeo-Christian faith is the belief that God is personal. All His attributes center around that belief. Here lies the great schism in the worldviews of Muslims and Christians.
prince4king7 1 year ago
..loaded with spices, balm and myrrh, and they were on their way to take them down to Egypt. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 37:25)" "take them down to Egypt" means taking them to the land of Egypt
FULF1Z 1 year ago
Recent archeological discoveries along with Paul's own words in Galatians 4:25 clearly suggest that Mount Sinai is located in Saudi Arabia. This means that Paran being south of Mount Sinai clearly means that it is the Holy City of Mecca.ssed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.ssed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)""The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures. (The Noble Quran, 3:96-97)" Do you see the similarity's?
FULF1Z 1 year ago
I have clearly told you that Muslims do not worship the black stone, but I don't think you got the message, so I will tell you again. Book 007, Number 2914 Abdullah b. Sarjis reported: I saw the bald one, i. e. 'Umar b. Khattib (Allah be pleased with him). kissing the Stone and saying: BY ALLAH. I AM KISSING WITH FULL CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND THAT YOU CAN NEITHER DO ANY HARM NOR GOOD.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
The Black Stone has had an interesting history during the Islamic period. In 930 AD a ruler of Bahrain - who belonged to a branch of Ismailism known as the Karmatians - sacked Makkah and carried the Black Stone away for some 70 years until it was ransomed.In the process, the Black Stone was cracked. It is now held together by a silver band. The fact that Islam was able to function without the Black Stone for 70 years is one of the best illustrations that it is not worshipped but only a marker
FULF1Z 1 year ago
I have heard the black stone changing colour, but don't know much about it. When I find out more I will deal with it, Regardless, do you not believe that God can change the colour of a stone, or is your GOD not that powerful? The stone has been confirmed by western scientists as coming from outer space. NASA'S CONFIRMATION:""Stars" falling from the skies have been known since ancient times; rarely, stones are found that were tied to these "shooting stars". One such
FULF1Z 1 year ago
rock has been venerated by Islam in Mecca for more than 1300 years. You compare the black stone with your worshipping the cross?That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. That is like me carrying and worshipping and uplifting a gun or a knife because someone close to me died from it. You religion has no authority any more. Your churches are empty, and getting converted into other things. Your own scholars say bible is corrupt, so you really don't have a leg to stand on.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z can u give the source of ur copy and paste plz???????
and again!
if u talk bout basis of islam, u will b smoked my friend
but first! lets clear this issue!
give me the source of this whole copy paste and i will surely paste my reply to all these so called information u gave!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z so in this single post, u have tried to prove three things
1. kissing black stone is ok and its history
2. allah is same as Elohim in the Bible
3. somehow prove paran to be the arabia
but still in point 3 u r unable to establish where is it mentioned that Abraham came to Makkah and built kabbah???
regarding other things, we will get into details of these and see how u guys twist everything just to prove ur false religion right!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z and again, if u try to give a bad analogy between crucifixion of Jesus Christ on the cross and some of ur relatives! then perhaps u need to study the religion from the very start.
if u follow muhammed, and i say, ok one of my relatives married 9 wives at one time, married a 6 year girl and had sex with her at the age of 9, so i will follow him, will it make any sence to u???? again i say, b consistent my friend! don;t act like all other muslims who r at the peak of inconsistency!
prince4king7 1 year ago
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prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z and yes, cross is compulsory in the Christianity as no one can b a Christian unless he/she believes in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, His death on the cross and resurrection from the dead!!!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@prince4king7 Did I ask you for a source when you gave me your ridiculous moon god argument. I will ask now. Please give me the source to the moon god theory. I cannot give you one source for any argument, because I have found my information from different places, and from my own knowledge. You need to do your own investigation and come to a conclusion. Muslims claim the stone is heaven sent, and as far as I can see, no western scientist has disputed this. They claim it is a meteorite or..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
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@FULF1Z well u want my source, so i will reply u in the way u did! I cannot give you one source for any argument, because I have found my information from different places, and from my own knowledge. You need to do your own investigation and come to a conclusion.
prince4king7 1 year ago
..something which they don't know about. So this only strengthens my argument. As for prophet Abraham going to makkah, well this is known by almost every Muslim, and it is told in our Qur'an, but I can't quote Qur'an to you because you won't/don't believe it. Regardless, I still have not been dis proven by your Christian or western historians and scientists. I have read that paran is arabia, and it has a very strong argument to be arabia. Those who claim it isn't, don't know themselves where...
FULF1Z 1 year ago
..this place is. From what I have read, they claim it could be several places close to arabia, but they are nor positive. So again, my (Muslims) argument has not been proven untrue. Like I told you before, don't accuse ISLAM of lies, because it always turns out to be true. Again you are talking about kissing the stone like it is divine, when in reality it is worthless, and the only worth it has is that it has been touched by the prophets of GOD. I did not say ALLAH is same as ELOH, but I said..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z as i said earlier, allah is not the Yahweh of the O.T, there r tonnes of pages tht prove it, lack of space here doesn't allow me to do it, choose another forum for this
lets make it simple to u!
The Islamic concept of Allah dominates the heart and mind of a Muslim, and therefore it is the greatest obstacle to a Muslim’s understanding of the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible.
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z Christian God is a personal, loving Father who has entered human history to reveal Himself to us and rescue us from our sinfulness. He has paid the price for our sin in order to free us, restore us to His image and give us assurance of eternal life.
Explaining this to a Muslim is like explaining the life of a bird to a fish confined to an aquarium
this is exactly y muslims cannot get this simple thing through their thick skulls!
prince4king7 1 year ago
One more thing I want to mention is what you said about the Christian God. That along with the trinity is the most pagan, stupid concepts ever. I mean a person dying for my sins, let alone a God. We Muslims believe that you reap what you sow, and that you will pay for the mistakes you made in this life. Obviously, if you ask for forgiveness, God is all merciful. I mean come on, it is illogical to think that regardless of how you live your life, you will be living in eternal bliss, because of..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z if u say no matter how a Christian leads his life, he will get eternal life only cuz Jesus Christ gave His life for us, then this again show ur lack of understanding about Christianity! this again show that ur ignorant and only beleive wot u stupid apologist tell u! i think u haven't even read the N.T, thats y u don;t even know wot Christianity is all about!!!
i really pity u!!!! as u said, im saying to u, try to look at Christianity from our SIDE and u will see the true Christianity!
prince4king7 1 year ago
Jesus (God) coming to earth in human form and dying for the sins, no matter how evil they may be. I mean, how much more pagan can you get than that? Don't take offence please ok. It just sounds absurd. You will hear Christians say that no one else can guarantee your salvation except for Jesus, but my religion tells me that if I commit crimes and people suffer, and I don't change my ways, then I will pay for it, and frankly, I think it makes perfect sense. Imagine how good a person would be if..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
he had the fear of God in him, he would always think twice about his actions. We believe God is Al-Ghafur: The One who forgives a lot. We believe God is Ar-Ra'uf: The One with extreme Mercy. We believe God is Al-Wasi: The Knowledgeable. We believe God is Al-Ghaffar: The One who forgives the sins of His slaves time and time again. We also believe God is Al-Ba ith: The One who resurrects His slaves after death for reward and/or punishment and Al-^Aziz: The Defeater who is not defeated.
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z u r only giving me some names of allah! but ur own quran says that allah is the greatest deceiver! and this is wot he is doing to u guys!
and the logic u said about good deeds in islam and going to jannah is again wrong, it shows u haven;t even studied ur own islam!
how will u explain that muslims will b all put to heaven and Christians and Jews will b put in hell in their place?????????? how will u explain that a martyr on the day of qayamah will intercede and take some with him!!!
prince4king7 1 year ago
@FULF1Z black stone was not touched by the prophets of God, only a false prophet of moon god allah, muhammed, if u say black stone came at the time of Abraham! then show me from Jew or Christian sources, or, it again shows that this is a pagan practice of arabia which was continued by muhammed!
prince4king7 1 year ago
..that they sound very similar. So since they sound alike, although with slight differences, that they are referring to the same GOD by the same name. By the way, HIM is added after ELOH only for respect, so it is actually ELOH. Let me put it like this to you, your BIBLE claims ABRAHAM (PBUH) sent hagar to the desert of paran, but nobody knows where this is, then the Quran comes, and says where it is, so I think I know which one I will trust. Tell me, does your bible have the A to Z life of..
FULF1Z 1 year ago
@FULF1Z u said Bible says that Abraham sent hagar to the desert of paran! again, ur quoting wot the islamic apologists say!
read Genesis 21:14. And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
its the wilderness of Beersheba!!! not paran!!! y r u misquoting the Bible to prove ur point right??? grow up!!!!
prince4king7 1 year ago