News of Admiral Boorda's suicide

[IRememberTheOldDays]

it was found after a court hearing a few years later that under navy regs he was not authorised to wear it as Zumwalt didnt have that authority.

[TheShel10]

Sometimes suicide is the best way out.Death before dishonor.

[IRememberTheOldDays]

@TheShel10 what is this fucking Bushido!?

[TheShel10]

@IRememberTheOldDays Yes I think you could say that's what he did."No matter how splendid a thing may be,no matter how certain its acquisition,I will not purchase it if it means I must forfeit my own character.Should my motto be fate is all powerful over the living when it can be fate is powerless over those not afraid to die." - Seneca the Younger.

[IRememberTheOldDays]

@TheShel10 yes but thats entirely different to getting a medal.

[flojogrande]

Admiral Boorda modified the Navy's fitness program while I was in. He also reworked our Evaluation system. He established the Seaman to Admiral program. Such a tragic loss. I once helped coordinate Security on an Italian Airfield (Brindisi Aeroporto Militare Italiano) for a High Level meeting in 1994 onboard his P-3. I've often wondered if his death was more than just shear shame. He was truely a Sailor's Salor as my shipmate above has already stated. Fair Winds and Following Seas Admiral. RIP

[LongliveSnak2e]

A great Jew... he shall be missed.

[irojioqopiewjr]

He is a hero for standing up against the chemtrail program that was launched in 1996. We all know what the powers that be do to good men and women who get in their way?SUICIDE?This great man had zero reason to kill himself, especially over som stupid metals that he was authorized to wear in the first placeIf you buy the official story on this one, they have you right where they and you. My town in Indiana is now chemtrailed every single day. The is no longer deep blue but a haze.

Cloverleaf

[irojioqopiewjr]

He was murdered for standing up to the chemtrail program in 1996. Odd how a man can commit suicide by shooting himself twice in the chest with a shotgun. Sure he would just kill himself and leave his beautiful family because of some stupid metals. Why was his autopsy never revealed? Why where his apparent suicide notes, there were two, never revealed. You look like a smart individuals, have you ever heard of someone committing suicide by shooting themselves twice in the chest with a shotgun?

[rhonieme]

@irojioqopiewjr Shotgun? This is why people who have no clue should refrain from posting lies. He did not shoort himself twice...only once...with a .38 cal pistol....people commit suicide all of the time for different reasons...he left behind two suicide notes indicating his apologies for his actions...one for his family the other to his "sailors" the family decided to not have these letters placed in public domain. Stupid metals? Anyone in the military never refers to their medals as stupid.

[irojioqopiewjr]

@rhonieme Yes please believe exactly what the media tells you and look no further. You are right, he killed himself and left his whole family forever over a piece of metal that hangs on a shirt...Get real. There is conspiracy all over this incident. This had everything to do with project cloverleaf and the chemtrail program that he was going to expose because he knew it was absolutely wrong. Oh did you see the gun or the bullet holes in Mr. Boordas body?So you have no clue either just opinions.

[rhonieme]

@irojioqopiewjr Oh really, you conspiracy theorists are all alike.if there is a nut you squirrels will find it" you or your little woofers have proven anything except your nuts didn't fall far from any tree. Not even the family has questioned nor opened an inquest in the Admirals death because they know it to be true.only baited squirrels such as yourself spew and mock.get real; you have burned enough brain cells that possibility is pretty much mute. People have killed themselves for less.

[rhonieme]

@irojioqopiewjr Oh wait you did? YOu saw the the actual body and can prove what the coroner, the military (all levels) the investigators, and what the family said as being completely false? Now this would be very interesting....please bring that to the table....mine is not an opinion a@@wipe....I read all accounts, I knew about this when I was in the military (who didn't) so bring it to the table squirrel.

[irojioqopiewjr]

@rhonieme By the way I see you only blog on conspiracy pages???That being the case this page is obviously a conspiracy. Let me guess you think poor Muslims living in a cave orchestrated and pulled of 911???The official story of 911 is more holey than Swiss cheese. Military hire you to patrol conspiracy pages??? What a joker.

[rhonieme]

@irojioqopiewjr Interesting....I blog all over the place on You Tube....then again your ability to search hasn't been much to speak of as of yet. I have yet to see a poor Muslim....I do know that a fucking terrorist (19) orchestrated 911 on US soil....only you are the one that now defends the terrorists.....I bet that was the furthest thing from your mind when it happened...funny how you changed sides for them as well.

[Kitchell2112]

I see Adm. Boorda kinda as a throwback like a flag officer of old like a George Patton, Chesty Puller, Bull Halsey. Patriotic, strong minded, decisive, and one that though stoic truly cares about his troops. There is a reason you don't see a lot of men like this running the military anymore, they are a threat to the new world establishment. I was under Adm. Boorda as a junior enlisted. I never believed that he killed himself, I still don't. I think he was murdered,

i think Patton was also.

[joeratti]

@Kitchell2112 patton was most certainly murdered. macarthur would have been to but he knew what was going on.

[SacredSocietyAP]

@Kitchell2112 Me too...Kennedy Killed..Johnson takes over...Boorda Killed...Some guy named Johnson takes over..unrelated..by still kinda weird.

[Konie07]

He would of been Court Marshall then force to resign.

[msudreaming]

If the story broke about Admiral Boorda wearing the Valor device enhancements what would have happened? I mean he wouldn't be court martial or dishonorably discharged?

[wordsnmusic]

Adm. Boorda was a sailor's sailor. I worked indirectly for him many years ago when I was a career counselor in the Navy. I can't think of one person who gave a damn about what he was wearing on his chest. They respected him as a fellow sailor who had also worked on the deckplate level. Someone who cared about "me" and how "I" was doing in the Navy. His death was tragic and felt deeply by every enlisted sailor who was lucky enough to work with or even know him.

[TrueCourse]

You took the words out of my mouth, Wordsnmusic. When I heard the news of his death I thought why would someone like Admiral Boorda after all that he had achieved and someone well-admired, especially by enlisteds, would kill himself for a device on a ribbon? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! There's more to it than we know and that information will never (well... maybe until years later after we're gone) be revealed. He truly was a Sailor's Sailor. Fair Winds and Following Seas, Admiral...

[devildoc225]

@TrueCourse He was dogged by the pinky in the air Admirals who were Academy pukes. They detested him. Depending on where you are reading, this was a major problem for him. He was not part of the ring knocker club, and they let him know it. He had to unscrew everything "Tailhook" screwed up, and they didn't like it.

[cave82]

that is the face george bush should have made when that guy whispered into his ear about the WTC

[okinawa65]

I agree, but like a lot of Americans we were in shock and that was his way of being in shock. I personnally would have left the room and started leading. This is just my opinion and not meant to body slam anyone.

[cave82]

what I meant was that george was not surprised... meaning he already knew

[gsxrbuckeye]

You are really mislead and misguided if that is sincerely your belief.

[rwalden2007]

Please remember that Pres Bush was in a room filled with small school children. It's great to second guess, but at the time had he showed great emotion or rushed out of the room, is it reasonable to suggest that may have upset some of the kids? Maybe, maybe not. Its unfortunate that some people who are opposed to Bush will lash out at anything he did with biting criticism. The same way people are attacking Pres Obama.

[AvalonianKnight]

On another note, that is, without a doubt, the most genuinely honest expression of shock and sadness I've EVER seen Bill Clinton give. He didn't even bite his lip, or "feel our pain".

[AvalonianKnight]

I got to meet ADM Boorda once at the Naval Air Facility Washington, when he and a contingent were flying out for the christening of the Stennis. The man cared about his sailors and made me feel he cared about me personally. I remember him shaking my hand and thanking me (and doing the same with the rest of the crew there) for making our command admin building look spectacular. I was only in the Navy for 10 months at that time and was just an AN, but I'll never forget that.

[devildoc225]

No problem. Adm Boorda was the first, and only person to ever go from Seaman Recruit to Admiral. The Navy will most likely never see his likes again. He actually gave a damn. Sadly, many of our current flag rank primadonnas do not.

[catherinetodd]

Thanks for this (sad) information. Sounds just like the military I grew up in.

Human nature so rarely ever changes, and when it does, and there's that one special person, we call them "hero" or "saint." Sounds like Admiral Boorda fits that category.

[devildoc225]

Part 4: In the end, this was all a vendetta against Adm Boorda by members of the Navy Elite. This was a man who would rather sit and took to the troops instead of the brass. He will be missed.

[devildoc225]

Part 3: Adm Zumwalt stated that Adm Boorda was authorized the "V"'s. He should know. He was the Naval Commander in Vietnam. Then of course we have Col David Hackworth, the zealot who should have done his research before opening his big ego filled mouth.

[devildoc225]

Part 2: As far as thge combat "V"s go, many people were given medals that were not properly documented. This usually happened when a Gen. or Adm visited the toops and gave them out during a trip.

[devildoc225]

Adm Boorda was a victim of the Naval Academy mafia. Specifically the Aviators. This was as a result of changes he made after "Tailhook" they didn't like. They basically destroyed him from inside. There was more, but in the end, may he rest in peace.

[catherinetodd]

devildoc225: thanks for your posts also. There's so many things suggested here; all make a lot of sense. Will we ever really know?

[devildoc225]

Actually from Seaman recruit to Chief of Naval Operations.

[catherinetodd]

"President receives news of US Navy CNO Admiral Jeremy Boorda's suicide following reports that he wore 'V' devices on two of his medals w/out authorization.... later determined Admiral Zumwalt had personally authorized it."

What was the "scandal" about, wtih "V" devices on his medals? Why was a court-martial to follow?

I find it hard to believe that someone would commit suicide when they had been authorized to do this... having grown up in the military myself, authorization is everything.

[satxboi30]

I t was about perception. He did not want to disgrace the navy in any way.

[catherinetodd]

satxboi30: I understand "perception," but I also wonder if BobisNavy has a valid comment. It's sad either way you look at it. Thanks for your response.

[GohModley]

@satxboi30 LOL!

[cheekizms]

@catherinetodd cuz he authorized it himself and thats a nono

[plastikmanfan]

Maybe he realized he had AIDS.

[BobisNavy]

I am retired Navy and proud of it. I just can't believe that Admiral Boorda committed suicide. He was brave and courageous. There is something more to this that will probably never be told. I think he was shot.

[peacefulwarrior0351]

I was part of the react team that protected the CNO and others. I was on duty that day and responded to the WNY. I assure you there was no foul play. I know everyone wants to believe in a conspiracy, but there just isn't one there. I loved Adm. Boorda and it hurt to see him lying there. We should all just honor him for the great man he was and try and forgive him for his life ending mistake.

[satxboi30]

It's hard to explain. It is clear to me that Boorda had an extreme sense of duty. He was the first (and only) person to rise from a lowly seaman to Chief of Naval Operations (4-star). He may have felt an extreme guilt about the scandal. He was an amazing man, regardless.

[zamboni007]

Yes. I served in the Navy when Jeremy Boorda was CNO. There are a number of reasons why I believe he thought suicide was the answer- first and foremost was shame. The second was a court martial was his next place, followed maybe by the brig. This is a very serious offense, however, I don't believe suicide is the answer is the answer to any problem.

[jameskguy]

I just don't fully get why the Admiral would commit suicide for this - everyone makes mistakes and bad decisions. And apparently there is evidence by the note on this video that he was authorized to wear it. Another mystery.

[satxboi30]

Bush did one better....he did his famous "Oh, we are so fucked" and then pinched a small one in the classroom while we were being attacked.

[MessiahComing]

@satxboi30 Acctually, I think he handled it quite well. He remained calm, quickly finished the book he was reading the children, and then left. What was he supposed to do? Jump up and yell "We're being attacked! Everyone panic!"?

[Aelfgeft]

Yeah, because the best thing Bush could have done was shit his pants and let everyone in that room know we were fucked. That's what a leader should do, break down.

[satxboi30]

I couldn't agree more.

[scalliwagrx8]

he was another victim of Swiftboat type attacks. His accusers should have been blacklisted and not allowed to go anywhere without this following them.

[satxboi30]

I agree.

[TRWolf]

Now THAT'S a genuine reaction. Bush didnt react like that with a MUCH bigger event...